Indian 116 Performance REVIEW / Stage 3 Big Bore Kit Upgrade

[@danielj.rodriguez1183]

I am happy with my stage 1 Thunderstroke 111. The power distribution is superb.I have gone from a complete stop on 3rd gear without as much as a jolt. Bike takes right off. I roade with two Road glides and kept up with them fairly easiy and these guys were tearing up the road. To be honest again, I know we like big numbers but if you can not ride those big numbers come to nothing. You can lose going up against a honda shadow, or maybe even a moped. It comes down to how confident you are with your skills and you knowing how to use the power that.s between your legs. As for me right now, 111 holds it's ground very well. Good job polaris Indian for making a machine that properly distributes it's power. No complaints here.

[@roadglide]

ASR staying pure to the mission of helping Veterans and enhancing the motorcycle lifestyle. Thank you.

[@Ironhorsemountainman777]

10-5-2019. BRING IT HOME !!!

[@KevinDJones-rv8ye]

I have finally caught up with almost all your videos. Binge watching for 4 days. You are an awesome guy and this veteran apprentices you.

[@jeffross8400]

The 111 is a great engine...but when you upgrade to the 116 stage III, it is fricken AWESOME! Now I am gonna see if it will do 100,000 miles because my Vintage with this setup is my forever bike.

[@caspar0777]

Still more show than go, that's what the bike is made for anyhow. If you are looking for real power, don't by an indian or Harley, but if you want relaxed trips, ok . I've nearly finished reading your book, I really appreciate, respect! That time you was more back to the roots, actually it's more commercial with new expensive products and bikes, but you're doing a great job. The world is missing people like you. Keep on sharing!

[@adamsandoval]

Thanks for being part of this channel

[@jeffpryor1554]

I have a 2019 H-D Ultra Limited, we installed the stage IV which gives it 117ci. We did go with the stage 3 cam which keeps the HP/TRQ in a better range. Big bore and small cam will make more TRQ than the stage IV cam does in a more usable RPM range. If all your power is produced in the 4500 + range then you'll be disappointed unless your on a lite bike. These big tour bikes need TRQ not HP

[@rbarrows5814]

Basically that means it has so much power, you will be able to taste colors!

[@adamsandoval]

🤣

[@yamahchopper]

Hell yeah Adam! Lov the burnout man

[@MeatballRebel]

It was worth it for me. My Chieftain makes me smile everytime I rip that throttle 😝

[@stevenenciso5023]

I’m just waiting for the challenger dark horse to start showing up preowned lol

[@ramonlong1079]

I love my 116 stage 2..A lot of HD riders are in awe when they want to "race."

[@waynesiminski8268]

Really like the Indians. Not cheap gains, but fairly substantial. Kills me that we don’t have a dealer in our area cause I probably would have one. Thanks for the honest review.

[@freedom6919741]

All that money for 100 hp. I love the Indian bikes but the Milwaukee 8 has the thunder stroke smoked on available power with upgrades. I have a 124 M8 and for less money it’s making 127hp 142 torque. I do love the thunder stroke engine though. Just so smooth.

[@jpruitt546]

Freedom Rider The 116 kit is not worth the money. I put in a set of Lloyd’s 585 cams coupled with the Lloyds breather and freedom exhaust and a dyno tune. My bike made 103hp and 126tq at the back tire in Texas on a 100 degree day. Total cost of my project was 1900 bucks. Much better than the Milwaukee engine imo. My 111 engine and your 124 are apples and oranges though. Way different technology.

[@freedom6919741]

Jason a cam install in a 114 m8 will get 110 hp 125 torque at the wheel. I chose to do the 124 because I am a gear head that is addicted to building bikes. My last bike was a 116 Vision built by the Vic Shop. 137/139. I love the 111 motor even in stock form. My next bike will be an Indian I do know that. After riding a Road Glide for the past 45000 miles it is like riding a relic compared to the Indian. The Indian is 10 times the bike compared to the HD.

[@dustinz4979]

111 Powerstroke motor. Ford and Indian, two of my favorites! 😂

[@pmaint1]

Power Plus, not powerstroke

[@the1jmacify]

Thanks for getting around to reviewing "...the damn big bore kit". Now, go get it tuned and review it AGAIN!😁😎

[@bryanstaten5585]

Great info!

[@thuskey2]

That looks and sounds impressive!

[@mattmason7460]

Adam are you going to do Indian parade next year after your done with the harley record thus year? Its the same date

[@bigjames6719]

Thank you for sharing 🏍👍👊✌️be safe ride safe out there

[@SpankyMoto215]

I need you to do a more in depth video of that ASR seat. I just ordered mine. The driver seat is back ordered, so I’ve gotta wait. But I got the passenger pillion yesterday. And if the driver seat feels anything like that back seat I’m gonna love it!

[@Solelova67]

VKing you can get a 2020 Indian Chieftain 116 engine and or a Springfield Darkhorse 116 engine for the same price as a 2020 Yamaha big bagger with plastic fairing ...I’ll choose the Indian

[@adamsandoval]

I'm sure you won't be disappointed

[@DG-america]

Back ordered? Ciro told me they wouldn't be out of production till the end of this month. I'd love a definitive from someone on this seat. I've purposely NOT bought a Dave's or Saddlemen and have been riding in pain waiting for this damn seat.

[@kentuckyaviation]

Adam! my brother! give an update of the mileage of all the bikes you interact with on a regular basis! all of my military riding buddies and myself are just curious! and also how many miles you have on the bikes with the stage kits, also how many miles did it take to blow up the stage 4 harley

[@jimnielsen4076]

Good facts/video! To get the max performance out of the new stock 116 you still need to add a stage 1 exhaust and stage 1 air cleaner (some say a different cam too / info is still coming out). Either way I think it's a nice move by Indian to add the stock 116 & their new Ride Command 2.0 is very nice! I've seen it. Adam, please scratch Scooter behind his ears for me!

[@TennRides]

Pricey. No wonder why so many riders are sticking with "Jap bikes." The difference to upgrade can buy a great used bike that already has plenty of power on a Honda or Kawi. American bikes have gotten way out of hand as far as prices go. I mean, seriously, we are talking about 2 wheels and a motor, no need other than greed, to charge that kind of money. People started buying bikes in huge numbers as the price of gas rose. The American manufacturers took huge advantage of this and their greed jacked up the prices of their bikes. Now, the price of an American bike is the price of a damn car. It is no longer worth it to own a bike, when spending 30 grand, or more, for a bike that most of the owners hardly ever ride. If they claim American bikes are better, why the need for upgrades to get more power? If I were to buy another American bike, however, it would be an Indian, since my experience in the past owning a HD was not something I care to do again.

[@jimbeam4111]

Ok thank you

[@TennRides]

@Mike Greer They may not break the bank if buying one used, but why is it low miles? Was it sitting in the garage unused for years? Not good for bike. Was it in not running half the time and in the shop getting very costly repairs? Not good. They may not break the bank, but they DO break down. Yes, even the new ones, albeit not as bad. I got tired of the HD I had in the late 70's into the early 80's. It always seemed to break down 30+ miles from the nearest pay phone, no cell phones back then. I don't care what people ride, I just don't understand the hype for an over-priced, expensive to repair, and not that reliable of a bike. My ass doesn't care what the sticker on the tank says, but my legs got tired of walking and my arms got tired of pushing. Ride safe, Y'all.

[@NicePantsLance]

@Mike Greer its hard to justify buying a used bike for the same price as a new bike from another brand. Buddy of mine picked up a brand new triumph bobber for a little under $10k and it kicks the crap out of my other friends 2014 Breakout he got for over $14k. Beats it in every catagory. I love harleys, but its hard to ignore their price gouging

[@paulrebis3439]

Which bike is faster your Harley or the Indian

[@davidtappe5337]

Paul Rebis what year?

[@adamsandoval]

Paul Rebis I’ll have to line them up. It’s close. I’ll do that

[@gaknskk]

@@@adamsandoval Yes please line them up.

[@talkingrock7011]

Now throw out the cost or the stage 4 kit for a comparison of HD vs Indian and the gain on the HD to keep this interesting

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Base line Harley stage 4 from harley is 3600$ before labor. Base line Indian Stage 4 is 4500$ from Indian before labor.

[@DG-america]

@@FranBunnyFFXII Now add on the extra 1089.00 HD charges for a vivid black SGS. And does the stage 4 work with the stock HF air and slip-ons? The Indian kit price Adam quoted included Air and Exhaust.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

@@DG-america The price I quoted includes Air and exhaust too. Harley's Stage1 kit is cheaper than the Indian stage 1 kit. Every stage is cheaper from Harley than indian, and if you want to save money, you can put the stage 1 and 2 kit together yourself, and head into the shop for your stage 4. Making it even cheaper. Indian doesnt allow you to do this. So again, harley just ends up being cheaper in the long run. Not only that, but check out the pricess on Indian's accessories. Some of them are double, even triple the equivilent from Harley. IT's kind of nuts how much Indian is charging for a Sissy Bar setup.

[@DG-america]

@@FranBunnyFFXII Cheapest I found a IV kit was Big Sky HD @2317. So you got slip-ons, oil pump, cam tensioner, SE tuner, and HF air for less than 1300? Not saying its impossible, but if you did, cudos. Not everyone is getting that. But still, tac on that 1089 increase for the initial bike cost.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

@@DG-america Buy it from their site. Dont look at dealers for stuff you can install yourself. Tuner, Pipes and airbox for my Fat Boy cost 900$ And why the fuck are you looking at cam shit? You dont need that stuff for stage4. You just need the Stage4 kit which comes with a cam, and bearing upgrade already. You dont know much about shopping do you?

[@jd9308]

I like watching and listening to motor reviews. At one point in my younger years I chased the more speed and torque in my motorcycles. And I had a blast doing it. Now that I'm older and retired I just ride a 05 1200 sportster with a stage one kit. It has plenty of power and low end torque to make ya giggle when the back end starts to wiggle lol! You have a nice bike and no disrespect to you, but the price tag for that kit is to rich for my blood. But I think all service prices are way over priced just like about everything else at dealerships. Enjoy your motor and have a blast twisting that throttle!

[@775summit]

I find that my 114 rgu falls on its face at about 4,000 RPMs as well. Definitely need a stage kit on it as well. Great video 👍

[@jimbeam4111]

Dan Vanden Berg I put the stage 2 harley ho cam in my rgs for that exact reason. Didn’t loose any low end tq or power and gained tq and power up to redline. Worthe the $1200.

[@775summit]

@@jimbeam4111 just wait until my warranty runs out then I'll go to a stage two I think. Not sure if I you should do the horsepower or torque set up?

[@freedom6919741]

Dan Vanden Berg don’t use the HD big bore kits. Poor machining ! Trust me I know first hand.

[@ironroad5549]

I have the 111 2019 cheiften great bike all the power l need for stock bike butt I'm 67 not a young wipper snapper. Been ridding over 50 years love all bikes .just ride safe guys don't be the 1st one to a accident.

[@adamsandoval]

The chieftain is a great bike!

[@stevenwright6573]

Yo Adam have you had any issues with closed throttle on deceleration allowing the motor to stall/shut off due to sketchy fuel mapping at idle?

[@adamsandoval]

Can't say I have

[@stevenwright6573]

@@adamsandoval good to hear man. Cuz that all white chieftan dark horse has replaced the BMW k1600 gt as my must have bike. American made since 1901 is just a bonus bro😎

[@jimnielsen4076]

That was a Victory characteristic. I have an Indian '17 RM and I have never experienced it. I have been told by multiple experts that de catting an Indian without adding a PV4 & a custom tune can cause blips in your throttle at low speeds. Its common for many riders to say it's ok to de cat without further mods. I trust my sources that it's not ideal.

[@jimmiewood1453]

Indian started in 1901 and went out of business in 1953

[@gavinthor4479]

You bring up a great point, Adam - I hope everyone heard you... folks like their torque curve in different places. I prefer mine including low rpm's - putting around town I don't want it stumbling. I enjoy taking corners and [sometimes] sliding through intersections in second or even third - where the 111 really shines as a torque beast - and that will largely go away when things are optimized for 3K+ rpm. Great video - enjoy your extra cubes. ;)

[@hamador1]

I have a SF DH Jack Daniels with 116 and two 111 Indian bikes with stage 2. I prefer the 116 with the ride modes

[@cuttycorrigan4122]

Hey there Adam, If you go on J&P cycle website. They have a 2020 Indain new models and there likes look a Roadmaster with the fix flare on it.See you Oct 5.

[@tw1340]

I'm waiting for the 2020 Dark Horse Chieftain with the 116 motor here in Germany!

[@bjornaltmann8184]

have a 2016 Springfield here in Germany as well and love it. Was interested in stage 2 but now I am interested in stage 3. Big Bore Upgrade or trading in? What a question! But the regular chrome Springfield does not come in 2020 with 116 cui :-(. What is the difference between upgrading my 111 cui engine or buying a 116 cui 2020 model with the new high flow intake, which is not part of the upgrade? Additional problem, the big bore kit is regular not available in the EU. So you need special sources to oversea! :-)

[@dwaynethompson2503]

Adam, I would like your opinion on seats for the Indians. Just rode my 2018 Chief Vintage from Seattle to Jacksonville, FL and back. After a couple hundred miles each day the seat was killing my rear end. Just wonder what your thoughts are....

[@michaelcountssr.8445]

ha, you know i have always wondered about your statements of how you ride and don't really see that in your videos. the burnout was a first for me! need to ride one of those Indians just to see the difference.

[@adamsandoval]

Unfortunately, these neck and shoulder injuries have kept me from riding how much I used to but I definitely ride frequently still. Just got back from Hot Springs and ll be at the Vietnam memorial wall in Missouri this weekend and bikes blues and BBQ next week

[@tskuligowski]

Are you going to review the performance parts Rusty did for you on the Harley?

[@adamsandoval]

Stay tuned

[@shane8493]

Sweet burnout

[@scottrubie6826]

I’ve got the 116 in my Chieftain limited after having a 111 Chief Darkhorse and all I can say is just do it. But don’t cut the cat out that’s going to give you noise and a minimal gain on the 116. You’ll never go back to 111 again.

[@roguegentlemanrider6967]

When you were on the road particularly route 66 what was the best way to carry cash - cards etc especially hitting all the small towns like Oatmen AZ

[@valeriodr6762]

Extra power 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@razzrasmussen5773]

Good review and appreciate the information. I am happy with stage 1 on my Roadking Special. Ride the tires off. Hooorah

[@chrisc6188]

It's thunder stroke, not "power stroke".

[@adamsandoval]

chris c ops

[@bryanstaten5585]

Those prices do not include installation build.....right?

[@Pierce1987]

Losing warranty benefit? Is that legal?

[@rockysuperstar1]

@Adam Sandoval thanks for your video . If I am going to spend $5000 on a big bore kit , I will buy a Harley 128 engine for not much more . You get a new motor not a rebuild . My preference is a Harley .

[@bigboom4684]

How does this compare to the challenger? Video?

[@adamsandoval]

here's a review I think you'd be interested in: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIKoeX2krrF4adk

[@aaronhughey2134]

Did they port N polish the heads and intake runner?

[@adamsandoval]

no they didn't

[@jamielinsdell3326]

Do you know what gains a 116BBK would have over 111 with Stage 2? And would you keep Lloyds 585 cams when you add the BBK? Thanks man, love the vids

[@gregorycox3]

I know this video is two years ago but can you do a video with a break down of both Indian and Harley engines?

[@adamsandoval]

Stay tuned - that just may be an upcoming video 👊

[@bryanstaten5585]

What's the redline with your bike now?

[@adamsandoval]

I have since moved on to owning a challenger

[@reynoldmassenat8660]

Where did you get your belt chain from?

[@wandamallett538]

Thanks for your review 👍 😊

[@donaldbellet8462]

Adam how many miles do you already have on the Indian?

[@JOHNJCLARK]

For my Harley I want the kit that from a dead stop you get more torque.

[@pmdinaz]

Outro scene, that tire was toast anyway. Might as well!

[@CactusJack252]

A lot of dealers are offering a free 116 kit for certain 2019 models excluding labor

[@hammered0184]

Who???

[@leonbeck6254]

Hi good review. But almost 5000 grand for up grade😳. I just bought a 2002 Gold Wing for that. Have put 10000 miles on since may. It has more power than i could ask. I think the front end came off the ground when i pulled hard in 2 gear😳. Any way more power for you. You must be in the money now burning tire 😢. Stay safe you are the one. 😎🏍🇺🇸

[@michaelcardoza997]

Not willing to buy another Polaris. PWC was junk, kids quad was junk, and Razor SXS was just OK. Bought a CVO Street Glide instead.

[@jimnielsen4076]

I'm an Indian guy but i think the CVO's motor & paint are excellent.

[@DG-america]

It's too bad the MoCo is pricing themselves out of business and has forgotten who made them what they are.

[@hughsnyder891]

Hi Adam ! Maybe you could hook up with Indian in Charlotte, N.C. and have Loydz install a 126 kit or if your bike was a 111 to begin with do a 121 kit in it . Possibly work some kind of deal out . If you would do that it is certain to increase their business. Just a suggestion. Take Care !

[@adamsandoval]

That’d be awesome!

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

Do you have loyds 585 cams in your 116?

[@paulhealey8221]

I am going to wait for the New Indian water cooled 120 horsepower beast! Harley is always behind, no mono shock frame with long travel, no ride modes, no remote bag locks, no LED lighting, and now no water cooling and what ever else Indian is going to offer us...The nod goes to Indian for my next new ride! Come to think of it, if it weren’t for Indian pushing them, Harley would be offering even less then they do now and priced more!

[@oldninjarider]

is it worth more than $5K+ (incl. labor) for 5 more cubic inches? #JustSayin

[@the1jmacify]

Mine was less than that, installed and HELL YES it was worth it.

[@scottrubie6826]

Adam did say to buy and did mention the options so price would wary. In Australia it’s $7000 so don’t complain.

[@LTL_king]

What if you just bought the exhaust and air filter through the dealer but installed on your own. Will that void the warranty. What if you bought a 3rd party air filter then went to rusty for the exhaust. Will that also void the warranty. I want to get a d&d exhaust but if it’s going to void the warranty. I’m out. Also any simple installation I can do on my own. Otherwise, I’m out of any work to be done through dealers. Can’t afford all the bells and whistles on this budget.

[@adamsandoval]

Must be dealer installed

[@motosportadv8177]

No replacement for displacement 😁👍!

[@engir63]

I cannot fathom a air cleaner that cost $500!?

[@mattshaggs2931]

@mahbin Because they're not even made for the same purpose. Do you compare McLarens to Chevy Suburbans on the regular?

[@oldninjarider]

@mahbin can't argue with you there but I can go 500mi in a day on my Harley and not need a chiropractor to ride the next day.

[@engir63]

@mahbin Come on you know the Honda is a sportsbike all bikers on two wheel but not the same manifesto

[@candlstudios]

@mahbin It will not run circles around the Livewire.

[@jasonritter2492]

@mahbin my Harley has a S&S NA making 165 rwhp 153 ft lb of torque and I would run right out of your life.

[@reggier2343]

How does it compare to a street glide stage 3/4

[@adamsandoval]

Here's a better explanation and comparison of the 116: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKmkmpuDi5Wmrrc

[@OZARKSHDRIDERS]

Hell yeah Adam, that's actually not a bad price for the Big bore kit,is it worth it Hell yeah 💯👍

[@adamsandoval]

I agree 👊

[@seedlessgrapes2605]

@@adamsandoval yeah I was thinking it would cost more

[@briangraham6421]

And yet people keep complaining that HD is expensive!

[@BagpipekilR]

Anything HD and people seem too have sudden ptsd hate rage. Idk why, but when it comes to any other brand, to the same people, everything is justifiable. Loud, expensive, slow, chrome, leather, but if your on an "indian" now its acceptable... Its a pretty pathetic mentality, imo. At the end of the day live your own life and ride your own ride. If you dont like it, thats perfectly fine, dont buy it... Easy peasy. Harleys are cool, indians are cool, victorys are cool, its all America, who gives af? Pick your pronoun and ride into the sunset 🤘

[@88ranchok]

That seems kind of low on the horsepower and torque my Can-Am Spyder F3 s has 115 hp at the rear tire stock

[@wrenchone5003]

That's pricey they should be able to sell like ten or eleven of those ...

[@adamsandoval]

🤣

[@hammered0184]

@@adamsandoval Huh?

[@coolkatz9012]

Price was excluding labour,Add a couple grand on Total Price and get a Z 900....

[@Bredaxe]

Power down low is good for getting away from these idiot cagers here in Florida. I didn't think it was possible but I went out today, I witnessed so much road rage and at least 15 hostile drivers doing dangerous things, all I'm the span of and hour. It was never this bad before.

[@michaelbarras6950]

I live in Orlando. Effin' Assholes all over the place. I don't even like to ride here anymore.

[@Bredaxe]

@@michaelbarras6950 I'm in Seminole county. Orlando is deadly bad to ride it drive a car in. The Misses and I already said we're moving once the kids graduate high school in 5 years. The people have turned nasty, and crime like never before. I'd love to move to North Georgia, N.C. or back to Tennessee where I worked for a couple years. The riding is so much better there.

[@347mav3]

Did you ever ride this bike?

[@phillipperkins6230]

👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

[@rzuniga7114]

....you said Heavy Duty...lol 🤘🥃🤘🥃

[@bryanstaten5585]

Man you got me jonesing for a new bike, traded my Electra Glide for a boat a couple years ago because of the dang cellphone driver's. Had a couple really close calls. But I have found that there are just as many idiots on the water! Haha....at 63 now and just retired due to the covid crap and Corp America bullcrap. Hmmmmm cheiftan or challenger???

[@lordsilvis1048]

Power stroke? Don’t you mean thunder stroke?

[@motomark9736]

So with this kit it will run with my 02 Honda vtx 110 CID ? LOL

[@adamsandoval]

🤣

[@Firestorm637]

Let’s See some Carbon Fiber Wheels!!!

[@rbarrows5814]

I am sure that engine will kill me🤣

[@joerockme7485]

SMOKING !!!!!

[@goldstinemedia7167]

yea im gonna stick with my S&S 128, that needs no case machining

[@DeBa1226]

Let’s compare a Stage 4 Kit on a 2016 Twin Cam Roadie...

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

100HP? That's it? For a stage3? Stage 2 M8 107s are pulling 104~108HP depending on the cam. Stage 2 M8 114s are pulling 114 HP depending on the cam. It looks like Indian needs a Gen 2 Thunderstroke with 8 Valves.

[@adamsandoval]

FranBunnyFFXII to me it’s all about TQ

[@Firestorm637]

Too bad Harley or Indian can not decrease their bikes weight by 100 pounds for almost the same power gain. Always cheaper for manufacturers to increase horsepower vs trying lighter/more expensive metals. I am surprised that no one has pushed CARBON FIBER wheels on Harley or Indians. Really decreasing that Unsprung weight which helps handling, braking, acceleration and weight.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

So buy a $20,000 bike spend $5,000 Performace upgrade and then get smoked by a 600 CC Yamaha R-6 or a 600 CC Honda CB-R which both make 130 HP stock . Or buy a 1 Liter Sports bike that makes 200 HP stock .. Indian FTR-1200 is 123 HP stock also .. as it is a modern design V-Twin water cooled with a similar bore and stork was a 327 Chevy small block car engine..

[@tbpc1]

Only $4550, lol

[@stephanedaly222]

Great power... but Indian’s 1200 can make lots more... just saying...

[@richardedwin5980]

$4500 not including labor for a stage 3 build on a 116 and you only get 100hp and 127tq? What a rip-off!!!! My HD Stage 3 cost way less with labor and I got numbers way better than that on a 107 to 114 HD build (117HP and 123TQ.)

[@adamsandoval]

Richard Edwin I prefer tq over hp myself. And the HD kit is also 4kish before labor

[@richardedwin5980]

Adam Sandoval I paid $3300 out the door with headers, Stage 3 kit, dyno and labor.

[@DG-america]

@@richardedwin5980 And the stage 3 kit is only 1700.00 too. Plus, a 19' SGS is 1089.00 more than a 19' Chieftain. So, add that to your cost for 3ci. Also, if you have a SG, your bike also weighs more, so you can decrease those numbers when comparing.

[@richardedwin5980]

D G my bike is an 18 RGS with the 107 M8. I spent $25,400 out the door with my trade. I paid $1200 for my Stage 3 kit from Boardtracker HD. Got my FuelMoto Jackpot headers for $400. Labor came out to 13hrs including the dyno time. The 2019RGS is 820lbs vs 790lbs for the Indian Chieftain. Actual curb weight of 19 Chieftain is 827lbs. A 19 Chieftain starts at $21,999 stripped down. The Chieftain Darkhorse & Chieftain Limited start at $25,999. The 19 Road Glide starts at $21,699. The Special at $27,299. So in reality there isn't really as much of a difference as you tried to portray. I think on the end there still isn't enough bang for the buck in the Indian build. But that's just my opinion.

[@JimmyLuffjr]

379

[@michaelbrogan6412]

Let's us be honest, "I will never buy an Indian". I live in Australia and nobody buys the cake mixes. Totally uncool machines unless you can't afford a Yamaha

[@hammered0184]

Here in the USA we don't care how you gauge "cool" down under.

[@sirglogglubardons150]

Sorry to here you live in Australia

[@bigboom4684]

Power stroke is a ford diesel this is a thunderstroke just sayin

[@andrewperreault3690]

Still Harley guy lol

[@billdonohue2389]

$5000 in parts another $5000 in labor installing. Trade your old one and the $10g and get the new one.

[@bigblueglide8021]

Adam, Let Lemmy do the engine reviews. You just keep doing the rest of what you do....

[@fredstraw]

What a rip off i could buy two good bikes for $4500

[@DG-america]

Two old metric bikes........maybe.

[@fredstraw]

@@DG-america i can get two 10 year old bikes for that much so not that old

[@DG-america]

@@fredstraw Ok. Two 10 yr old metric bikes. And in a couple years, you can take all 3 and and 3k, and if you can find someone desperate enough, trade for a 20 yr old Harley. 👍

[@fredstraw]

@@DG-america why do you keep saying metric and i would not have another harly. and i said i could get two so how could i take all 3 in a few years

[@DG-america]

@@fredstraw Because you have two American V-Twin companies. Anything else you buy is a metric bike. If you're buying 2 bikes for 4500 dollars, you're buying metric. You aren't even gunna get 2 old sportsters for 4500, unless you buy both from the same person and one is a parts bike.....maybe. Then I said all 3, because you said you could buy 2, and you already own a Goldwing right? Is it too early for you to keep up?

[@kenstirling5348]

100hp and 127tq is not a lot of power for the work you’re doing and money you’re spending. If you had a Harley Davidson TC you could make 120hp/120tq with that same money no problem at all