Individual Players Can Only Do SO MUCH For Their Team

[@etherionoon]

Kd worst playoff series was still better than 90% of players highest playoff averages. Kd Celtics series was better than Larry birds worst playoff Averages

[@SimeonB300]

The fact that LeBron in year 20 is being compared to players in their prime and even putting up better numbers than younger stars helps his case. Not to mention he’s less than 500 points away from Kareem. As far as individual players elevating a team to win, I don’t wanna hear it lol. MJ dropped 49 and then 63 against the 86 Celtics and still got swept. LeBron went 51-8-8 against the Warriors and still got swept. Basketball is a team sport so a player might tip the balance a little bit for a solid team but one player can’t win by himself. It’s never been done in the 76 years of the NBA

[@ozarka1110]

Facts

[@jmoney6264]

Facts on Facts on Facts

[@gmvdmvn]

Yeah cause he on PEDs ALLEGEDLY

[@jonz23m]

He plays in a generation of inflated numbers where a mid level player can score 70. Especially his scoring numbers in the regular season are not impressive in year 20. Especially if you actually watch how gets his points. But yea for casuals it's impressive because all they do is watch highlights and stat sheets.

[@Cediedash22]

YOU JUST LIED lmfao, the 80s was worst and MJ was avergaing 35 against not good 2 guards ​@@jonz23m

[@bfns2353]

For guys to think year 20 LeBron should carry this team without AD(even with AD this isn't a championship contender) to the playoffs proves they think he's the GOAT imo

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

Or they pin terrible expectations to an old man. You could make the same case about Jordan with the wizards

[@Viewingviewer3]

@@EmmanuelAniTheSchism nobody expects mj to do anything in year 16. And expectations are caused by what you do on the court. Nobody has been hold to a higher expectations thn lebron since he was a kid even as an old man. There’s an obvi reason why

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

@@Viewingviewer3 but it's not solely because of the rain you're trying to give it. People expected a lot from MJ in his wizard days, like taking them to the playoffs, which he would have done in year one until he got hurt. So your implicit reason is moot.

[@galaxyknight7309]

​@@Viewingviewer3 He's not the goat he was just discovered early

[@jonz23m]

It's the other way around. He gets carried by the team (check hisc+/-) and still wants the most shots (in the regular season) to impress his 12 year old fans.

[@jmoney6264]

The fact that this is a conversation about a guy that has been playing 20yrs in at 38 yrs old is supposed to lift up a mediocre roster like he’s 4yrs younger when he had more athleticism and durability

[@evandupree6085]

If you want to say that this year doesn’t help LeBron’s GOAT case then fine, but it doesn’t hurt it either unless you think MJ’s time with the wizards hurts his. At this age LeBron shouldn’t even be as good as he is.

[@Ballchat]

@A YT USER how

[@bfns2353]

LeBron James being the All Time leading scorer in NBA history absolutely helps his GOAT case imo

[@bboywolf]

@@bfns2353 no it doesnt. He has 0 goat case. Hes needed 20 years to compete with Magic Johnson...

[@IlmaliklI]

@@bboywolf u don’t know basketball go find another sport

[@Trvllumanati]

Can y’all hang up this argument already. Just accept that MJ will always be the undisputed GOAT.

[@chrilpy]

Ticket snuck a phone into the retirement home 😹

[@IconicUniverse4L]

Low’s point about one player making the team good makes no sense because when arguments come up what’s the one thing that’s consistent “ If you take this player off the team what happens” or “ Let’s switch these players and see who does better” so yes one player CAN be responsible for the team being good or bad

[@crank60]

Bruh you completely missed his point. He's saying a team's success shouldn't just be determined on namesake, because at the end of the day if there are noticeable roster or coaching issues, then even if they secure a playoff spot it's not gonna take them far. Having a great player obviously elevates the structure of the team, but you can't always live and die on it otherwise you get what happened to Brooklyn last season

[@IconicUniverse4L]

@@crank60 your absolutely right, but when the convos come up and they ask why didn’t this team win it goes to the player or players. That’s the contradicting part. Like with the Celtics, they loss and ppl said JAYSON TATUM didn’t play well. They didn’t say oh the Celtics didn’t get it done as a whole equally they specifically talked about Tatum. I didn’t miss the point. I knew what I was saying

[@IconicUniverse4L]

@@jxmmykriminallive your right, I’m agreeing with y’all I’m just pointing out how I’m argument fans and other put that pressure on players because why? Their the best players so when it doesn’t happen they single them out. Low has done it before as well

[@pallani8471]

Ticket and chill have the best debates ong, be making a straight fool outta ticket

[@etherionoon]

Naw chill would be praising Lebron if he was having Kd type of season and to say just because he’s always consistent he not gonna give him props …some bronsexual shit

[@melorileytv3408]

Facts bra it’s weird bro

[@smoothsavage2870]

The biggest issue with the Nets in the series against the Celtics was that the Nets had the worst coaching in league history. Then you had Ime Udoka who was on the Nets coaching staff the season before becoming the Celtics head coach.

[@ubadman1]

The fact LeBron is measured by a standard no one else can even come close to is an argument for him to be the goat. Yall expect him to at age 38 or 37 to play like he's 27. And offensively he is just as productive. No one else was even close. Next when your team is out matched you'll lose. No individual has ever carried a bad team to win the finals.

[@julian2238]

Literally no one.

[@kero2526]

People hold Lebron to a higher standard than MJ, while arguing that MJ is the GOAT😂 The GOAT argument is stupid but funny

[@suntansuperman26]

@@kero2526 They hold LeBron to the GOAT standard set by Jordan, that’s all

[@kero2526]

@@suntansuperman26 then how can a 20th year player be getting criticised for averaging 30 on 50%+ shooting? No1 has ever done it

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@kero2526 Negative on defense. Losing record. Carried by AD

[@Mark-Anthony601]

Unfairly, there are people whose largest argument against MJ is the wizard years. "Keep the same energy."

[@joelbrown5932]

If a player achieved and won more with less meaning role players they are better no matter what’s going on some fans gotta stop man crushing and stick with the facts

[@goldengod3745]

The refs been against the nets for 2 years now anyone who who watches the game knows it

[@marshallchristopher1304]

Facts

[@kavaughnosborne1693]

Lmao 😂😂😂 Lo - THE REFS!!??! This my favorite show and panel

[@KobaniacMinded]

Bron is my favorite player but I think age has caught up to him in a way he can't really FORCE his dominance and will on the game like he used to, he's not DONE for but he needs AD to be the man.

[@PMKru]

Lmao Yea Ok Bro Nah His Team Just Not Healthy All The Time Thats Just Misfortune He Still Playing At A High Level. Just Dont Have The Benefit Of Health & That May Be The Lakers Weak Point Being Able To Keep Players Healthy. Thats On Staff Not LB

[@Dologaming24]

Everything they’re saying about KD fans can be said about Lebron fans.

[@Viewingviewer3]

No

[@B23rie]

There was alot of Iso going on with the Nets last year

[@Shoniii]

Jacque Vaughn sold us last night, there’s no way Royce oneale should have played 35 minutes last night after coming back from being sick. You guys said he was our savior but he did not make the right call last night 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@RecapRico]

Holy shit a human made a mistake In a meaningless game in January

[@2cents250]

@@RecapRico it’s not that serious…. But it was kind foolish to leave Royce out there when he wasn’t being productive.

[@RecapRico]

@@2cents250 it's apart of the learning curve. If you were benched in life every time you fucked up you'd be living in a box somewhere, we all would. They're challenging him to be better. Why we gonna change a narrative on a coach over a January 4 game 😂

[@grantkeihn7364]

@@RecapRico Thankyou like holy shit they're 16 and 2 in their last 18. If anything this loss will make them focus more for the next 3 games

[@2cents250]

@@RecapRico He isn’t awful but he can be inconsistent and he didn’t play last game. If his 3 isn’t falling he is very limited on offense. There’s nothing wrong with subbing him just like they sub other players. They have too much depth on their roster to leave him out there when he was playing poorly and expecting KD to carry them. I personally would have liked to see Patty Mills get a little more playing time.

[@Kosher93]

Just bc he can’t name 5 players on the Kings doesn’t mean we can’t 😂😂😂😂😂

[@playoffquan824]

Scheming ,roster continuity and coaching matters too. They didn’t do anything to get KD better looks at the basket he was bringing the ball up too much and everybody on the court was 6’3 on his side so it wasn’t many screens ran for him

[@marlowstanfield6815]

In basketball an individual player can do way more for their team and way more to effect winning than an individual player can do in any other team sport..

[@jerrylanes8354]

The biggest lie you ever told cause a pitcher is way more valuable and has a better dynamic of helping

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@jerrylanes8354 a pitcher can't score points

[@vishbegamin]

I’m here after watching the Lakers beat the Heat without LeBron. Also despite no LeBron and AD, Russ still came off the bench with 21,8,9 3 stls. It’s easy to watch Bron beat up on bad teams just for him the sit out against solid east teams.

[@AmeerBeats]

Stop it. Dennis Schroder had 32. How often you think that's gonna happen?

[@sora__kairi3726]

Denver and Bucks he was there. Last Denver game when AD got hurt and was out the 2nd quarter, did Bron sit out or he got them the win? Also the Heat ain’t even good😭😭😭

[@spiderninja57]

And lakers beat kings with lebron playing so what do you have to say now😒. He’s averaging like what 35? And they won 5 straight.

[@Bsb0830]

@@spiderninja57 And Lebron still has a losing record in the NBA finals lol

[@ttteeelll]

Don't people always say how playoff basketball is different from reg season. It really becomes chess, seeing you play the same team no less than 4 straight times . So not only coaches and players have to adjust but so do the Refs. Refs (I think/ or would like to believe; is they try to have no impact on the games). So to me as a player I would expect the physical play to go up and the refs to be less likely to make those calls. You can only hope that it goes both ways.

[@qupope6955]

"As good as he is he should make the playoffs" bruh this is a casual take why is it that Dell expects players like LeBron,KD,Steph,etc to just make the playoffs based off their names alone? So if you drop KD in a team where the best player is Andre Roberson that team makes the playoffs because it's KD on there?

[@RecapRico]

Lakers just beat Miami without Lebron and AD. Kill the excuses already.

[@zbt62]

Yes

[@qupope6955]

@@RecapRico so what?? are the Lakers playoff contenders now??😂😂

[@RecapRico]

@@qupope6955 if they can beat Miami without Lebron why tf can't they snatch an 8th seed with him 😂😂😂

[@jsgr5382]

​@@RecapRico1 game lol? Casual

[@AveryB.0]

The difference is lots of people in the media and fans still were saying KD was the best player in the league last year. Lebron not a top 5 player anymore so you cant have those same expectations as when Lebron was in his prime

[@randomperson2540]

The thumbnail should've been Luka

[@dtg0342]

Low the same guy who said Sacramento made the worst trade in nba history now they got talent wth

[@jonwan]

Funny how I don’t remember people coming in defense for when Kobe was on those terrible laker teams after the back to back titles. Everyone would just kill him call him washed ESPN didn’t even rank him top 20 but for LeBron everybody and their moms is like “ he has no help” “it’s not LeBrons fault” blah blah blah shit is mad weird and sad asf but that’s ok cause all this turmoil is Karma for LeBron.

[@pallani8471]

That’s cuz you weren’t paying attention, a lotta folks came to Kobe’s defense and a lotta trolls clowned on him. Same with LeBron, don’t start making up this no sympathy for Kobe bs

[@jsgr5382]

Kobe was so toxic no star player wanted to play with him. Kobe was playing dumb basketball. Was his fault

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@jsgr5382 Pau Gasol has entered the chat 👀

[@IconicUniverse4L]

When yo said KD had his stats and shooting percentages that’s a bad series so why when Lebron lost to the warriors the first year while shooting 39 percent they said he should be finals mvp

[@jsgr5382]

Cause he ended with 36,14,9 with his 2 and 3 best player hurt. That didn't happen with KD.

[@IconicUniverse4L]

@@jsgr5382 he ended with 36/14/9 with a 39% from the field and lower from 3. That’s a bad series regardless of who he loss

[@jsgr5382]

@@IconicUniverse4L that's a bad series ? MJ won MVP with worse numbers against the Sonic's. So did Kobe. LeBron had four votes to iguadala 7. 2 more votes ans he would of won fmvp. Stop trolling

[@IconicUniverse4L]

@@jsgr5382 give me the stats from the series your speaking on where MJ or Kobe shot less than 39 percent and I will say your right

[@IconicUniverse4L]

@@jsgr5382 the finals series

[@MrSlashblade]

And then he figures it out and then you’ll say it’s not impressive it’s only 8th seed.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

The 8th seed with a prime Anthony Davis 😬…….. That’s not impressive at all lol.

[@tchat6728]

They talk about Bron like he 22

[@Sldumas1983]

Low when your the leader of the team you have to pull the very best out of your team, If your the leader you have to figure it out just like the all time greats did, But we know If Lebron could trade his players now he would so he has to deal with the hand he picked.

[@marrmarbinks]

Dell has terrible logic the Lakers outside of their top 3 players have a terrible roster and AD can't stay on the floor lebron is 38 he not getting a terrible team like this to the playoffs

[@showtimej2582]

It helps bron individually because of his age but I don’t think y’all should be putting al of this pressure on a guy in year 20 just sit back relax and enjoy him getting the most monumental record in nba history

[@1PeaceGod]

chill town u might be on ya way to be the new stephen a smith no kapp sir!!! CHILLTWN 4 President!!!! ✊🏾

[@jrob830]

The lakers always played Christmas. It's isn't because of lebron lol

[@kingtshilobo1849]

Why ticket don’t switch on his camera no more? It’s funnier seeing his reaction while talking gibberish

[@sauelac3898]

This did not age well

[@Shoniii]

Why is Kd on the thumbnail😂

[@jsgr5382]

This just exposed all the LeBron trolls... Again. y'all be moving goal posts, comparing a year 20 player to others on their prime. Smh. Jdr energy the entire time

[@marshallchristopher1304]

KD and his team are playing 5 vs 9 on a nightly basis

[@Bsb0830]

Marshall Christopher@ Who’s fault is that? Is that bad coaching? Is it because KD and Kyrie refuse to get others involved?

[@cybersecurity336]

Whats good Ticket!

[@caesarocasio9924]

Low literally has no knowledge of ball. He looks up anything to make himself sound knowledgeable.

[@stormmdf2275]

Why y’all hate on bron so much

[@ashtonbriscoe8522]

Chill’s narratives are hilarious he act like bron didn’t lose more than he won and to justify L’s we use context for excuses but any other player context is used to diminish

[@Haun-zf9bp]

I Disagree With Del Because Every Road Game KD Was Out They Stull Had Ky & Harden. Even When KD Came Back They Lost James But Added Seth & Drummond For The Home Games And Kyrie Fully Came Back March 8th So It’s A Difference In LBJ’s Situation Now

[@2cents250]

When KD was out they didn’t have both Kyrie and harden. Harden was tanking and also had a hamstring injury. Kyrie was playing away games. The situation is different bc Lebron technically had more games with aD and Westbrook than KD had with his team.

[@Haun-zf9bp]

@@2cents250 Yeah They Did , I Looked At The Games , Kyrie & James Was There Away Games Immediately After KD Got Hurt

[@melorileytv3408]

@@Haun-zf9bp yep both was there and they still was getting smacked without kd harden n kyrie lost like 8 games together when Durant was hurt then harden left fool

[@Haun-zf9bp]

@@melorileytv3408 When He Came Back They Was A Game Above .500 And He Finished 12-7 And The Final 8 Games He Had Kyrie They Wasnt A Great Team When He Came Back Either What Yall Saying ?

[@melorileytv3408]

@@Haun-zf9bp now tell me how many games in a row did they lose when kd got hurt in march and tell me the seed they was at and the record fool matter of fact I’ll tell u 1 seed 27-12 then fell to 10th seed without kd I literally seen them lose 11 games in a row in march and u right they wasn’t a great team cause if they was 11 losses in a row wouldn’t happen fool kd was carrying them before he got hurt and he carried them when he got back having to play 43 mins a night just to get the 7th seed and out of play in tournament or did you forget

[@PrivateTay-]

Low wrong again

[@markdecaille1341]

You guys just confirm his argument KD play like trash the team lost because he couldn't elevate them because of his play the C's eliminated him for the equation the nets lost j

[@melorileytv3408]

What

[@PrivateTay-]

LOW WRONG AGAIN BRO

[@Dontresssmith3757]

KD and Brooklyn nets first round exit dell is Bias it's no point to listen

[@qupope6955]

And why is talent based off name only?????😭😭😭

[@Notcleverenough]

Because its been tested in the spotlight

[@MrSlashblade]

Because nba community is the laziest group of fans.

[@blacknetsmed]

@@MrSlashblade NBA fans are super lazy, they 2019 Raptors wasn’t that good because they look at names. Even though they played 50+ Win Pace w/o Kawhi that year. 2001 Sixers: "Iverson carried a bunch of bums" even though they had the 2001, DPOY and 2001 6th MOY with 6th Best Defense in the league that year.

[@boog23383]

For Del to have hooped at a high level, he says some dumb stuff

[@jsgr5382]

Ex hooper's have said the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life so far. Barkley and Paul Pierce alone have made me question humanity a few times

[@bfns2353]

LeBron James being the All Time leading scorer in NBA history absolutely helps his GOAT case imo. Somebody explain to me how that doesn't help his GOAT case.🤔

[@marlowstanfield6815]

Because if Jordan played 20 seasons he'd have between 45k and 50k points. Jordan won more championships mvps fmvps dfpoy scoring titles etc in 15 seasons than LeBron could win in 20 so it actually makes LeBron look even worse when compared to Jordan..

[@yuhhtempo]

@@marlowstanfield6815 not really it only looks worse when there’s no context, also he probably wouldn’t have gotten multiple more rings because after the 2 3-Peats everyone on that team wasn’t the same. Plus he retired TWICE, the teams started getting better, the whole point is lebron did more for longer and Jordan didn’t there’s no ifs, if there was Bron would have 8+ rings

[@chrilpy]

It makes no difference. Peak is more important than longevity when arguing who's the goat. The less time it takes you to accomplish something, the more impressive it is

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@yuhhtempo The first time Jordan retired he retired because he thought basketball was too easy. His father would always challenge him to see if he could dominate baseball like he did basketball, so Jordan decided to try to do in baseball what he did in basketball since basketball was no longer a challenge to him. He didn't just retire to retire. But if Jordan didn't go play baseball I think he could have won 2 more rings, 2 more fmvps, and 2 more scoring titles for sure. An its very possible that he'd have one or 2 more season mvps too..

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@chrilpy Exactly 💯 👏

[@joeldrummer23]

Giannis is my GOaT 🤷🏻‍♂️ he playing with G leaguers

[@StevenTorres.NYC-CA]

What a 🚮🚮💩💩 take🤷‍♂️

[@CatoProduction]

Wait Holiday and Brook Lopez are G leaguers??

[@marlowstanfield6815]

No he's not

[@showtimej2582]

lol he’s definitely not the goat

[@looechange7966]

So why does championships figure into the goat debate with every single person on his panel?

[@JG4TheGOAT]

u dont know me at all then or u dont think im a part of the panel

[@whateveryousaybro]

Lebron leadership sucks. Like my man said, he should at least get the Lakers into an 8 seed. It shows the team is disconnected mentally as they have no real cohesion, otherwise they would work TOGETHER to win. They don't practice, I guess they have no off the court closeness, which can help in problem solving. Leaders galvanize their teammates. Lebron isolates himself from his teammates as he usually does. But somehow he makes other guys better. NO his assists make it LOOK like he makes them better but a pass by definition does not make anyone better!! The fact that people make excuses for this dude while saying he's playing at an all time at 38 is asinine!!Clearly his system is not efficient MOST of the time for everyone else as he is under .500 in the finals! He has not learned that maybe if I save some of my energy for defense, I don't have to score as much!!! HE still unsure of when he should impact the game or conserve himself, something that u learn with maturity, but that is something he has lacked since his early years in Cleveland!!!

[@spiderninja57]

The reason why the team is where they are is two things, AD doesn’t play, and THEY CANT SHOOT. You act like if you put jokic on this team they start shooting 40% from 3. Yes every team lebron goes to has to go through his system cause it wins championships!!!! And this rumor of him not playing defense during his Clevelend years is dumb because when your facilitating and scoring of course your gonna play defense in spurts to preserve your energy in the regular season. If you watch him play in the post season HES PLAYING DEFENSE. AD had his best season with lebron, Thomas bryant is playing great with bron, just look how all these players are able to get looks off of his presence STOP CHATTING FOOLISHNESS.

[@spiderninja57]

And you wanna say he is under . 500 in the finals what’s the context on that huh? Who did he play?? What team was he on?? Only finals loss where he wasn’t at extreme odds was 2011. Nobody in nba history is winning in 2007,2014,2015,2017,or 2018 in brons position

[@whateveryousaybro]

@Kwe u didn't give me much objective to respond to that directly correlates to what I said. Sigh. I'm not impressed with a 4-6 record with all of the team hopping, trading at will. My preference. Dude is a cancer. To me, it's not worth it.He doesn't have to do the things he does, but since he never adjusted his game it's used as an excuse to show his inability to be flexible. I'm fixed on my position. Defense?? Yea I'm a let ya'll have it, because there's no way in he'll you call that defense. He gets one chase down block in a series and people go oooh ahh, God bless the dumb deaf and blind. Everything I said was accurate

[@spiderninja57]

@@whateveryousaybro you just ignored all the context I provided, and doubled down on his finals record. YES defense did you know that Michael Jordan’s overall playoff defensive rating is at 103 and lebrons is at 102 with the last 3 years being some of his best years defensively statistically in the post season. Just cause you see him get lazy in the regular season on house if highlights don’t mean you know shit. If we had the same film of Jordan he’d be getting the same criticism in his later years.

[@whateveryousaybro]

@Kwe Thats a lie. MJ was never lazy I know u don't know shit. So good luck. I posted other things u just ignored because they make him look bad and that's it and al..

[@Gfhmike]

Naming 4 kings players isn’t hard if you watch basketball

[@huhmf4815]

This a make or miss league from 3s. I'm not mad at this season at all. Y'all talk shit as if his 20th season is his 10th season. Man KD won't make it to his 20th season or that fact no one else in this season will make 20 seasons an play a high level of play. Dell fucking Bugging he riding KD to hard.

[@melorileytv3408]

You can tell the future? And the way kd plays he can play long as he want he doesn’t rely on athleticism it’s pure fundamentals he has masterd the game & getting to his spots on court dude your not kd fool only kd knows when he will retire not me or you or anybody else

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

You mad KD way better than Lebron lol

[@huhmf4815]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing only you think that lmfao deadass not even KD himself thinks that.