Industry Nine - Hydra vs Torch (What's New & What's Better)

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Too loud or just right? Let us know what you think of the new Hydra hubs!

[@benasquith26]

Just right

[@175thStreet]

Sound is epic!

[@ChannelZeroOne]

Torch 2.0 please. Little drag for some buzz is worth it. How often do you coast? When you do, you are probably covering the rear brake.

[@GavynPendleton]

Not loud enough!! Nah I’m just kidding. I’ve got some torch hubs that I absolutely love tho.

[@sammcshane1555]

I say, the louder the better

[@TrailFeatures]

I found the content of this video highly engaging.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Yes!!

[@donchristie420]

Ar ar r 😜😬

[@bendaff9618]

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[@sorinvladu7021]

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[@tonykasunic1]

I see what you did there....LOL

[@masterxpb]

Just switched to a 305 w/ hydra from a roval traverse and am completely spoiled with the engagement. I also love the fact that I do not need a bell when descending as I now sound like a swarm of bees! 8)

[@keirfarnum6811]

Gotta have something to warn the bears away!

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

Man, I just can't wrap my head around the whole "flex will automatically engage 2-4 more pawls depending on how much torque is applied" thing. I'm sure they've done their homework, but my admittedly simple mind sure likes the "entire face of a DT ratchet always engaging, no matter what" scenario much better..... Great video as always guys! Your channel is so freakin' good.

[@industrynine3931]

We hear ya - the whole concept of any hardened material bending is tough to get a true grasp on. The best way to truly see it is under a microscope, but that's a tough angle to get a video of. However, we tested the product for 2+ years and got plenty of field samples out before our launch to ensure we could 100% stand behind the product. Hope you get a chance to check it out!

[@zxtenn]

I have a 2016 Focus Raven max SL with DT XRC 1200 and upgraded to the 54 tooth hub, sounds so cool and I really cant imagine anyone needing more engagement. Yeah the more engagement pawls the better and those teeth look so tiny so lets see how things work in the real world after some time and abuse, have to admit they do look hotttt on a high end bike

[@hfedrums123]

@@zxtenn try it and you'll see why

[@JoshPoat]

@@industrynine3931 I guess it's the difference between quoting points of engagement vs actual backlash under load?

[@bf.258]

It’s actually not that hard to fantom.

[@willyjaybobindy3402]

You had me at Hydra. Also, the paint job on that van is sick!

[@jared_erickson]

Industry Nine makes the dopest wheels out there hands down!! These new hubs are the real deal!!

[@nanner2112]

FYI, for a pair of 32 spoke wheels with the choice of 11 different colors, there are 65268343537143736977925527144667849979675453569710942641839519790994481 (6.5x10^70) different options to choose from. If you want the front and back to be the same, you'll have to settle on one of the 255476698618765889551019445759400441 unique options.

[@midget1656]

lol

[@keirfarnum6811]

Damn statisticians! 😁

[@21335186z]

That batman thing was me, trying to find lost bearings in gravel below my makeshift yard workshop hahahah

[@175thStreet]

Huge Industry Nine fan. Love their wheels. The best high end Mtb wheels on the market.

[@bryceridesbikes]

I just got my set of Hydra hubs. I was blown away by how indistinguishable one engagement is from the next. So little gap between the clicks.

[@ChannelZeroOne]

I think i9 should offer the old Torch hub with the updated end caps, and pawl system. Seems like leafs could give the same pressure as the springs without being so apt to wanting fly away. Some of us want our wheels loud. Other ideas would be to put stiffer leafs in the Hydra hubs to make it louder. Either is an option many of us would pay extra for. 1. Stiff leaf pack for the Hydra, $29.95 cant see 6 pieces of metal costing much more. 2. Torch 2.0 updated torch hubs. With the same loudness you always loved. Same price as Hyda

[@industrynine3931]

You can always make Hydra louder by adding oil. It's admittedly a slightly different sound due to the increased teeth on the drivering, but definitely can get pretty loud if that's what you're looking for!

[@ChannelZeroOne]

Make the 2.0 version. never miss out of a chance to make more money.

[@joeangevine8732]

1:56 jeff died and became a ghost

[@mty72]

Need the louder hubs for the cycle paths, so no need for a bell!!

[@jugaloo5873]

I just stick playing cards in my spokes for that expensive, irritating, look at me hub sound :)

[@WorldwideCyclery]

😅

[@ShooterMcNut]

Can't wait for my set of Backcountry 450's to arrive in a couple of weeks.

[@roderick9018]

Welp was totally down till the price tag cost as much as my hardtail 😂

[@solobellimino2356]

Lol but they are worth it.

[@CoderShare]

@@solobellimino2356 They're not. They're just bling.

[@solobellimino2356]

@@CoderShare owning CK, i9 torch and Hope. I say they are. Form and functionality

[@CoderShare]

@@solobellimino2356 Half the people I ride with around Asheville have them. Every time I've tried them I haven't really noticed a difference other than the loud hornets chasing me.

[@solobellimino2356]

@@CoderShare how many ride single speed? Maybe its not as niticable on gears

[@hardmtnbiker]

I’m planning on building a 650b gravel set. It looks like the Mtn wheels are the only way to get 6bolt disc. I’m just not a fan of CL and like all my bikes to have 6bolt wheels. I’ll give you a call when I’m ready to configure a Wheelset

[@josephzulick8076]

solid video, keep them up!

[@adamenglander]

I would love some of these for my bike!

[@brickbros211]

Let’s face it no one buys these for the instant engagement hubs or for the fact that they are made in the U.S.A You get the for the awesome sound they make!

[@SouthernSender]

Hope you got to ride with Charlie. He rips.

[@joshuahuang07]

these manufacturing tolerances are insane to be able to offset the pawls like that

[@jose280714]

I love my 9i wheels... they are torch... TR270 34h 29inches...😍

[@VelkePivo]

Years ago I put a thick grease in a Ringle hub to quiet it down and blew it up. So, as stated, not just any grease will work

[@wadesafool]

I like low engagement hubs as a DH rider having float is very necessary whenit gets Rocky! Highest I'd ever go would be like 84teeth

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

I have I9's Torch and White Industries CLD and I prefer my CLD hubs. Better quality for the price. That said, I just got another set of wheels built and chose the White Industries again.

[@schism8286]

Average rider, but LOVE my i9 310's and hydra. Always getting compliments like "That's the sound of a super nice hub!" i9 signature

[@colepritchett2063]

that truck looks cool

[@WilliamCronin]

Awesome! i just won some of these at crankworx rotorua!

[@bananasstuff3344]

wow.

[@onilovni1234]

I added some light grease in my road Torch hubs because the noise was too high.

[@Loganmulally]

I have heard some that are nearly silent.

[@GoGoggansGo]

Logan Mulally if you use grease instead of oil

[@Christophe_L]

If it flexes under load so that the rest of the pawls bite... doesn't that mean that the engagement angle is effectively larger than promised?

[@ccovemaker]

I love the tech and the look but wish there was a silent focused hub.

[@pvillaluna1]

ccovemaker Project 321 or Onyx

[@industrynine3931]

They get pretty quiet if you add grease!

[@josereneducharme142]

Loud hubs scare the bears away...So they say... Hopefully.

What is up with that Canfield? I would love a review on that bad boy!!!

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Liam our mechanic just built it up, we can definitely get a bike check going!

[@Whitehawkvisionfilms]

When i9 makes a Rattle Snake sounding hub I get the first ones for coming up with the idea!

[@Barefootdan]

Absolutely love my Hydras! Noticeably less drag than the Torches and perfect volume from the factory. Although...I’m tempted to run oil for that nice loud ZZZZZ!!!

[@yegmtb8377]

what does oil do serious question

[@alradhi6627]

BCXC i9 hub can use either grease or oil so nothing more or less. but yeah it is more cooler and definitely fascinating to fill oil to a bicycle hub

[@yegmtb8377]

@@alradhi6627 didnt know any of that

[@Klips005]

BCXC Yeg would make them scream a bit "louder" they say with oil

[@ducatidave0099]

You can disengage the majority of them with a differential from the weight of 1 under load. Magnets are useful. Let me know if you want me to sketch it

[@LowCountryMTB]

What do I need to do to get these on my bike? Do I need a whole new shell or can I just get the hub? 2019 specialized st StumpJ.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

You can just get the hub but you will need new spokes as well and pay for install. Often times it just makes more sense to buy the whole wheel. If you want to try to pull something off like this just shoot us an email at [e-mail] and we can help out.

[@aljbastasa3484]

Can you change the pawls of a hub and if will were can you buy it????????

[@MitsuFQ400]

All hail Hydra

[@jonathanvasquez9604]

Which do u prefer between CK, i9, Onyx, Spank? Ty

[@torquecanyon8424]

Hi, I have a question. Is there only one hydra model? I saw in online hydra classic hub.

[@troycarpenter3675]

Question; can you build wheels compatible with the new shimano 12 xtr without using the sylenc drive? I'd like to actually hear my new hub!

[@Jack_Sin_Schlussel]

I’m planning on building a light weight freeride enduro bike for park, Dh, and enduro. Would you recommend the Grade or Enduro 305. Is there a noticeable difference in strength to compensate for the weight difference?

[@TrIpMo1981]

The Hydra sounds exactly like my DT 350 54T.

[@alcaholic640]

Ehh naw

[@TrIpMo1981]

@@alcaholic640 mine sounds like that....

[@yamahschector]

Can I upgrade older torch hubs to fit new spacing and use them again?

[@th_js]

Can you explain why the old intro didn't make a comeback? In the poll "Yes" won easily.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

It will! Don’t you worry :)

[@willbennett7107]

Hello again tomi

[@th_js]

Hi John

[@willbennett7107]

😂😂

[@djfunknuckle3375]

when they talk about engagement, are they talking about the # of grooves in the hubs prawls to catch.? 2nd ? My stock hub is a 3 prawl driver by e13. would effect would goign to a 6 prawl systme Have?

[@patrickanacker5329]

Why it doesn't give a single speed hub from the hydra hub system for dirtbikes

[@rodrigomartinez4974]

Can I use motorex (white grease) grease on my I9 1/1 rear hub?

[@michaelasquith5558]

what was in the hubs during sound comparison? grease or oil?

[@markroberts9298]

i9 out here with 690 engagements while other brands are on like 50

[@ethanknight8461]

Mark Roberts onyx has infinite

[@bananasstuff3344]

@@ethanknight8461 but not centre pull spokes.

[@riotrock07]

just what to know if this hubs comes in centerlock compatability for shimano disc brakes

[@WorldwideCyclery]

They sure do! Usually just have to special-order them because it's a lot less common than the standard 6 bolt. Feel free to reach out to us anytime and we are happy to help you out. [e-mail] - 805-375-4525

[@a.drewwalker9662]

I own, I love...

[@billyhess8667]

I'm not 100% sure on the correct terminology, is the spoke base circle the same, between the torch and hydra hubs. Could you replace a tourch and hydra with out changing spokes.

[@MTBIKEXC]

Do they have a 40mm wide rim? I'm running 27.5+ tires and 30mm is too narrow in my opinion. I see the Backcountry 45's but is that too wide? BTW - Original wheels were annoyingly loud for me, new ones seem better.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

They only have 36mm and 45mm but nothing in between. 45mm probably isn't too wide! Shoot us an email at [e-mail] and we'd be happy to help you find the best fit.

[@saputro5384]

My fav hub

[@garysmith643]

I think the no j hook spokes is awesome ! But when I go to their site its all j hook ! What am I missing?

[@David-np4vo]

HOPE pro4's for me reasonable price easy and manageable to service yourself..

[@josejojiebartolome5190]

Sir may I know how much is the hydra industry nine?

[@TheAdityaNaik]

I love these hubs better than DT Swiss ones

[@snowbunny1001]

Aditya Naik Me too!! 8)

[@NoBrakes23]

I wish they'd let us have centerlock and straightpull at the same time, and I really miss their silver rims.

[@josejojiebartolome5190]

May i know boss how much is the price of infustry nine hydra hub

[@IPM71]

Industry Nine is a nice hubs brand, but I prefer Chris King. The RingDrive is really something else !

[@IPM71]

@Robert Trageser 100% agreed ! Even if they are expensive, you'll keep them forever.

[@NoFretBrettCSSMBFF]

I stopped buying ChrisKing (Hubs) when he/they stopped building for 'Fads' (is what he called FatBikes back in 2014)... I would have had 197/12 & 150/15 ChrisKing (Hubs) since 2014, yet for the last SIX Years I have had to experiment with Surly Borealis Bontrager HOPE DT/Swiss... *Industry9* & *ONYX* are next...

[@Roedygr]

Where do these things fit in a bike?

[@industrynine3931]

In the cassette as part of the rear hub!

[@qwerty6789x]

ever heard of Onyx Vespers? right.

[@CamdenWallraff]

2.3225*10^32 color combinations O.o

[@Slipsch]

I wish they made hubs for BMX

[@Robinators]

All is well, but deem that price tag, a pair of hubs at the price of my whole mtb :D

[@lakishaweaks9784]

Just bought a pair of used torch @$500

[@industrynine3931]

Check out our 101 hubs for a more affordable option

[@nomad-ridesmtb270]

Does hydra replace torch or will torch hubs still be available?

[@industrynine3931]

WWC still has some Torch hubs available, but going forward Hydra will replace Torch

[@nomad-ridesmtb270]

@@industrynine3931 save the Torch!! Going to miss the torch hub. Not sure if I'm sold on the hydra yet. My torch hubs still have lots of miles left in them so I've got no worries

[@BentonL]

I keep destroying rims. Do you think the en350 will not break?

[@Jack_Sin_Schlussel]

Dammmmmm. And I though Chris King hubs where good.

[@arthurawacay3182]

Did you have QR hubs?

[@bananasstuff3344]

19 do make some quick release hubs, so do hope an chris king.

[@aldacos1]

you look like you are glowing... or a ghost, but only after 1:57

[@Joeymga6]

I need the hydra

[@michaelkay9386]

Onyx vesper vs hydra anyone?

[@dominicabbott991]

Sounds like butta baby, butta!

[@ianpabelian5649]

how much

[@theot.]

so torch is much more louder than hydra? hmmm... thinking of buying torch hub now hahaha

[@rodent]

how about e-bike use?

[@leodallapozza9909]

7:41 Megatower?

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Hightower LT.

[@alcaholic640]

Where is it? Where is it? Lol

[@dawsonmacie6984]

I put these on my ccm

[@markusklomes2460]

So it's basically a modified version of a profile Elite?

[@bananasstuff3344]

i don't think so, no.

[@LifeofLeium]

Can I run my hydra bone dry?

[@ahmarsidd]

You guys sell Canfield as well?

[@WorldwideCyclery]

We do not but we are a fan of Canfield.

[@bbossautomotive3602]

Dam my hubs have 3 poe:-(

[@dair805]

$1355 Wooooooooowwwww 😐

[@michaelrodgers5105]

I still prefer profile racing hubs

[@FredShredBikes]

hydra sounds like chris king... haha

[@solobellimino2356]

Luv I9

[@parkerlovell1675]

I came hear for the asmr

[@joeshaft]

how do they hold up under trials use? those tiny pawls do not fill me with confidence. Also see you moved to leaf springs like Hope and away from your coil springs. Looks like Hope had it right all along. You're still in their shadow in terms of pure engineering. You make your hubs from bar stock and hope uses forged blanks, far far superior from hope as the forgings are stronger and lighter. Bar stock is much cheaper than getting a custom forged blank made up and the associated tooling costs, yet the cost of your hubs are crazy. You should really be priced the same or less than hopes.You use a2 tool steel inserts and your pawls are made in the exact same way as hope do. Hope also seem to have a far more advanced and up to date production facility compared to industry 9 , based on the available factory tour videos publicly available.

[@Startekselva]

Meme is cool man

[@bmx08]

2 strokes sound

[@Dan-qk4ns]

As more and more companies make pawls smaller and the amount of engagement becomes smaller in size, its a recipe for disaster. I dont like the amount of movement. And pawl system will always have resistance. Its just a bad design, period. I just wish my new xtr silent hubs came in anodized, otherwise they are unbeatable. Zero resistance

[@heisenberg1833]

Now I’m just waiting for that tech to come to road!

[@lakishaweaks9784]

I think that's the issue with all of these hubs no color or style. If they all offered colors that could bring down prices & true competition.

[@industrynine3931]

@@lakishaweaks9784 Check out our 101 hubs and wheelsets for a much cheaper alternative. Hubs are available now and wheelsets will be available within the next two weeks

[@apllDgrapllD]

Hail HydrA

[@geoffreyschoenbaum7151]

compare to Onyx.....

[@Magnus_E]

mosquito sound haha