What Will be Required To Release the Kraken?

Badgers, Ese & Execute share their views on What would it take for a minimal Kraken fleet to both run and support it.
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[@LunarLizard]

I was stationed on an aircraft carrier for 4 years. Looks like you guys have a pretty solid understanding of how carriers work. You have your fighters,refueler,eyes in the sky's you even threw in a cuddy red. Sounds like you did your research. We had fighters, recon planes, refuelers, and the helicopters. The only thing you guys are missing is a transport aircraft but I suppose a cuddy black could fill that role. Great job on your setups!

[@francoisvantafelberg]

Two distinct ways to use a carrier like this: One) General Purpose all rounder self sufficient long ranger. Load the carrier with one of everything (Prospector, Vulture, etc). Ditch anything on the support side that doesn't have the range to make fuel or cargo collection/delivery runs. Two) Offensive Carrier- the primary doctrine of carrier warfare and the main strength it adds to a fleet is allowing large numbers of short range craft to join in on a fight. To maximise this benefit it is necessary to pack the carrier to the brim with short range fighters and bombers: Arrows, Gladiators, one or two Torpedo bombers. Ditch anything that doesn't have the range to make the trip on its own. On the support side ditch any fighters that don't have long range capabilities, and add a strike wing of capital/sub-capital ships, Torpedo bombers, and long range fighters. When doing (Two), use the support craft to fly in all the pilots when a carrier strike force is being put together and the fleet is readying up for operations. Stack the carrier deck and hanger to the absolute brim, Japanese style. Three) Pirate loadout. #Jaden

[@dpswets]

Alright, pretty cool idea! Before I try to make it in 3D, this is my list I think for a similar, but somewhat bigger carrier strike group: Main carrier: Drake Kraken Fighter wing: 6x Anvil Arrow (2 reserve) and 3x Anvil Hurricane (1 reserve) - crews can use both depending on target AWACS: 1x Anvil F-7C-R for combat support and 1x Anvil Carrack fleetbased. Electronical Warfare: 1x Anvil Avenger Warlock based on the Kraken Medical Support: 1x Argo MPUV-1S as ambulance, based on the Carrack which is used as the main hospital Passenger transport: 2x Argo MPUV-1P. One based on the Kraken, one on the Endeavor Combat support: 1x MISC Starfarer, 1x Aegis Vulcan, 1x MISC Endeavor with Hangar and service/crew modules, 1x Drake Caterpillar (if needed a extra Hull C) Destroyers: 1x Aegis Hammerhead, (maybe 1x RSI Polaris), 2x Drake Cutlass Black (can fly solo but could also use the Kraken and Endeavor) I think a fleet like this would be pretty good prepared to operate for a long time away from their base and could provide themselves with whatever they might need. Another option would be to switch out 1 Argo MPUV for a Pices as that one can be fitted with a QT drive.

[@ese5102]

Well, my fleet seems smaller now

[@michaelanderson6627]

don't forget docking collars to move cargo... for bigger ship to bigger ship specificaly... technicaly you could perma-dock two ships either side of the Kraken if it's in "Base Mode"

[@jearlblah5169]

Dock a bunch of krakens lol

[@mst.6770]

Perfect video ... I am waiting for my kraken

[@sovereign6291]

Same.

[@ElianaSegelski]

Much waited here too Kraken and fleet

[@christopherdillon6789]

Another good idea for a new series. I'd like to see one on the Orion. My understanding of the Hornet Tracker is that it will gather data and send it to another ship that can prosess the information and give fleet directions. So for example the Hornet would take real time scans of the battlefield as the pilot continues to fight and send the information to something like a Carrack which can then direct everyone else in the most effective way possible.

[@saturnring2jw]

Great topic. Looking forward to more like it. I have a privateer myself. This was quite exciting to see.

[@skarsc991]

Fun and informative. And if anything, maybe this series will make a few ppl realize the logistical requirements of deploying large ships. Its not just a question of finding X amount or asses to sit in X amount of seats.

[@dragonofpog2451]

I think the amount of logistics and support needed to operate some of the larger assets in SC are vastily overlooked. Good to see a series like this to raise awareness. One can always aregue about the details of the suggestions made but no one can tell until release. The important takeaway is, you need a lot of stuff for support. #Jaden

[@scottf4586]

I think this series idea would be fantastic! I'd even like to see other drake kraken ideas (deep space mining, science vessel support, medical support) being that the kraken has so much versatility. An episode with Idris, Polaris, Orion etc. Maybe even lead up to a ideal fleet composition with the limiting factor being crew. 20/50/100 players etc. What fleet can you build with the limiting player resource?

[@jockcop4205]

It’s a great thing your doing with the Jaden giveaway. Really nice way to celebrate someone’s memory. Glad to involved and in the final.

[@kishkin8743]

I enjoy each of the proposed fleets but I would have included a few more scanning/exploration ships that are focused on doing active pinging so the Kraken does not have to, and have a very tight assault force. Additionally, I'd say the exploration ships could establish a few different beacons for the Kraken to access for quick escape routes. These beacons could be outside of the Kraken's normal range for beacons to help it escape further than anticipated. My idea about the Kraken is that it is more effective at any projected role when it is not located by legitimate threats.

[@ztryqer_]

Great video - looking forward to a further episode with an Endeavor, Carrack and / or Polaris centric fleet. #Jaden

[@Whiskeyagogo519]

I really love the idea of showing what support is required to operate certain ships

[@th3w117]

In a semi-permissible environment, I think that you could trim down even more because there would be resources on call for repair-resupply-medical and wouldn't need to have the dedicated support ships. I would go with 4 fighters capable of air superiority and CAS. A dropship or two. A rescue ship to deliver casualties to kraken or to another facility in the area. Maybe a corsiar/carrack and I liked the idea of a terrapin for recce. The recce can also be an on-call asset and not necessarily attached to the group.

[@sportswatch5127]

Execute & Ese: How do you transport the extra 4 fighters to the Kraken? Execute: Kraken is a mobile base...Cardinal rule...keep moving! Nautilus/mines are not needed. Ese: luv the use of the Buccs. Great point of view in using one brand/interchangible parts-excellent, also separating ammo from fuels. I have an exploration fleet. Was thinking of adding a Kraken as a base of ops. Jim

[@sportswatch5127]

Using my Polaris as the base of Ops, with 4 Arrows and 1 Buccaneer (sitting on top). Main expl ships: Carrack, Aquila, Starrunne, Terrapin, & Polaris. The Terrapin as forward scout already, plus more cargo on the Connie & Starrunner. Extra Bucc rides atop the Carrack. A Kraken would solve the fighters issues.

[@sportswatch5127]

As an aside...My Disco Fleet is a Carrick Fleet, the Polaris is support and escort.

[@ese5102]

They're flying, or pad / bay rotating

[@hakonhanesand3458]

“if it sits it sits” is true, but please be aware that you may not be able to jump to another system with more than the standard amount of ships in your carrier. This was mentioned in the endeavor Q&A.

[@aimlis]

Like the new idea for the show and found the discussion interesting. I'd argue that a 'minimal' Kraken deployment should be operate mostly from the ship itself. That is already a lot of ships and pilots to field and open to a lot of versatility. Only other thing I thought was overlooked was the built-in support for dragonflys on the Kraken, with a dedicated workshop and hanger. Dont recognise many names on the wheel but best of luck to the contenders.

[@INTHEWILDERNESS-00]

Can't wait for the 'What will be required to release the Endeavor by 2027" segment.

[@galahad187]

I'm going to suggest you consider Hornets for fighter support. The ability to change the center turret gives it serious flexibility.

[@cyberclaw360]

i always thought the kraken needed the Polaris or now the Perseus as an extra escort. you don't see carriers running without some sort of cruisers escort with it now should hold true in space as well. honnestly i was surprised the kraken doesn't have any medical facility so as another guy i read mentioned the carrack that would be a great option as a support craft to run with the kraken for that reason.

[@sovereign6291]

A medical bay is being added. No idea what tier. I'd guess at least Tier 2 for respawning.

[@cyberclaw360]

@@sovereign6291 ahhh that makes sense then

[@radugherman8026]

Woop woop, it will require an angry space Jones pirate, with tentacle helmet yelling `RELEASE DA KRAKEN`! #Jaden

[@RobertDodge]

A kraken full of Dragonfly's has me reminiscing about Flash Gordon on his rocket cycle with the Ajax behind him lol

[@TheEVEInspiration]

Why no Carrack as part of the support? It contains the medical, can store a shuttle, has drones and should be the near perfect area scanner. And it has modules to tune it for the mission!

[@Gadamlu]

Kraken medbay was confirmed on SC live back at or about December 4th 2020. Dunno to what tier, but its something at least.

[@algared6131]

@@Gadamlu yes basic Medbay, I took that to mean same tier bed as a Cutty Red.

[@rrvll200]

#jaden excited to see more concept ships more than playing the game in its current state tbh

[@davidmarchant8254]

This episode makes me sad, since I melted my Kraken's for a Jav.....But it makes me happy, because it helps my battle plans to destroy a Kraken operation, with a Jav. #Jaden

[@parkerxgps]

Pretty cool format. Starfarer, Crucible and, Reclaimer appear to be the big choices for how a fleet may want to synergize. Large ships may not be so easy to just put away for a bit. Also, crew counts will make a lot of decisions.

[@novalis791]

The Kraken: my fav concept ship: cheers to being able to have - rotating squadrons, repair crews patching up ships (while the pilots swap out), supplying your allies, and all the other cool ideas mentioned here thus far #Jaden

[@ericstroh9832]

My personal take on this would depend on the Krakens level of maintenance/parts/etc. If I could store some hornet center turrets/modules on the Kraken or support Crucible, I would go that route for sure for my fighters. That would afford me a high level of flexibility with weapon size, weapon options, radar CIC forward ship, etc. I am a big hornet fan for this reason and also hope I can do with the IDRIS.

[@Malky-79]

Great series concept...love to see more of these.

[@rooster1012]

I wish you guys would have stated what you would be doing in game with these builds, a piracy build would be completely different from a org support build and so on.

[@cthree87]

Great show! I'd love to see one about profession niche kraken loadouts.

[@ogdog0074]

I like this video and hope you guys do more. Like a first strike group or mining / salvage set up.

[@haze.x3342]

Great video. Theory crafting is fun and sadly the most we can really do at this point.

[@ese5102]

Best part of the game so far

[@PEN0311]

As a 20 year US Navy and USMC Veteran, I can see very interesting and relevant conversations between Badgers and I. I have served on a Carrier for 2 years and 16 years aboard an AEGIS Cruiser. Needless to say, I have seen naval operations ranging from small Surface Action Groups to Multi-Carrier Fleet Operations to Amphibious Operations.

[@arenomusic]

PLEASE do one for the Merchantman! I've been designing a fleet around it that looks similar to this but I want to see what other people would build.

[@ethics_gradient]

Love the idea behind this video - people focus too much on combat support and I think that there will be a lot more to fleet support than just combat/fighter escort. More vids in this series please! #Jaden

[@kishkin8743]

Hey, I'm just happy to bein in the running. Good luck to everyone! It might sound dumb but it would be cool to use #Jaden for any future giveaways just to continue to honor Jaden's memory.

[@shckr17]

I finished my ccu chain for a Perseus this week.

[@sovereign6291]

One of you forgot it has two hangars on the small pad side for more ships, rearming,repairing and refueling. Also there might be future modularity for pads and hangars based on the struts and space underneath for everyone to theorize over. #Jaden

[@ese5102]

Thought we got them all, but oh well

[@Smap_SC]

I love the different approaches from you guys. I am really hoping for some good multicrew and multiplayer aspects to drop with the Kraken. Hopefully engeneering, and whatever else CiG wants to implement, will be in the game so we can instantly start to use the Kraken to its full potential. It will be a good time. #Jaden

[@godtwotwo]

No reclaimer for salvaging bringing materials back to the Kraken to the fleet #jaden

[@johnsknow2174]

Thanks for the video inforunners! Would you think it would be wise to do a ship overview of the Idris and its fleet comp in a single video? I know we've talked a lot about the Idris in multiple videos but there's no dedicated one for the ship where all the info is in one place. (Especially considering its Algared's favorite ship and all 😀)

[@danielwetzel3272]

Great video! I’ve been waiting a little while for something like this!

[@0311matt]

i like the concept of this video/series(?). and good food for thought, thanks

[@Interobanger]

Good idea for a series

[@Wolf_Rayet]

great series i really hope to see more of that,very interesting theme

[@roccaraso1771]

Love the idea, a great prospect would be for the endeavor support fleet, and even smaller ships like a Perseus and a polaris

[@FieldHoodGaming]

The first 2 examples were great

[@Digable.]

Great new idea for a series, looking forward to more

[@terrybirks9662]

Don't store ammo with fuel... you need to get hired as a consultant for the US Navy... I was stationed on the USS Shasta AE 33 back in 94. We transported a lot of ammo and fuel lol. While in the middle east we had a boiler explosion, nothing puckers the brownstar like an explosion on an ammunition oiler.. and we are talking 800,000 gallons of fuel and 3,600 tons of ammo, mostly 5000 lb bombs

[@ese5102]

Agreed, but we all know what's going to happen, lol

[@coleboyd6251]

2 prospectors, a mole, a cutty black, 12 merlin. mobile industrial base ftw

[@WookieeRage]

Staring at the different fleets I started wondering if you all tried to keep to the same number of points in your build. Then I realized I was applying point standards where none exist. So with that in mind I wonder if the only way to compare them would be dollar value comparison. Which feel costs more, which is the least and easiest to launch, and which appears to be the best bang for your buck. After seeing this video I do feel that the Nautilus is a natural pairing with the Kraken.

[@byron.jennings]

I'm hoping that I can park my Kraken somewhere hidden, far from the general travel lanes, so that I can avoid conflict as much as possible. I definitely agree with the idea of running Arrows for support, with an Eclipse and Redeemer for heavier threats. That leaves the hangars available for repairs and visitors. For support, the Starfarer is a no-brainer. If the Kraken crew needs medical, an Apollo could come in as needed, and for resupply, a Caterpillar would be a great option. I don't know how long it will take for the Kraken to come out, but the way I feel about the concepts is that the longer the better, because as it's been said, usually the latest ship released is the best-made ship released. #Jaden

[@Whiskeyagogo519]

Jaden has certainly lived on and been remembered in his own way

[@jmcnear6688]

I'm surprised no one used the M2 in place of a cargo ship or a drop ship given it was designed as a military cargo/drop ship. Its also an effective way to drop multiple ground vehicle at once.

[@Interobanger]

Interesting. It does VTOL. Will it fit on the two medium pads? If you can use the Kraken tram to unload, wow.

[@jmcnear6688]

@@Interobanger I have landed the M2 on two medium pads but it is a tight fit and the wings will over hang. I think another thing to consider is that the M2 will also have armor in the future. When armor is implemented it will make armored ships better in situations where you need to get supplies into a combat area.

[@crackedjabber]

I'm surprised that none of you mentioned the Perseus. Low crew requirement, long range cannons, and it's main flaw, a weakness to fighters, is mitigated by escorting a carrier. So anyone hoping to deal with your Kraken, now has to worry about having their own arse shot off, or having the Perseus sniping off their support craft. And that's all for a crew of between 3 and 6 players. It also has some cargo capacity, so you could honestly slot it in instead of a cutlass black as far as the crew requirements.

[@ese5102]

Certainly an option for sure

[@jupiter96096]

Can't wait to fly this beast, I think it might be my favourite capital ship out of Star Citizen. #Jaden

[@LawlessBaron]

Vulture? I see a vulcan good logic behind the fleet

[@sportswatch5127]

Badgers...Excellent overarching strategic thinking. Carriers bring their own for the most part. (Occasional fuel, food, supplies provided by support vessels- which operate on their own schedules...by the way.) You nailed it! Jim

[@kzrlgo]

a great cause! #Jaden

[@foiblegilneas1777]

Now we have seen the minimalist fleet, can we see the no holds barred fleet?

[@officerdailey]

Thanks for the content

[@Wltzer]

Interestingly different applications to try and solve the same question. End Result: a lot of resources and people are needed to support a capital ship!

[@luke5g230]

Really love these shows great work and keep them coming

[@MaculaPravus]

Excellent, I love these videos from you guys. Edit: I made the finals for the drawing. Nice! 😁

[@VaultBoy2]

i like this concept. but it woudl be nearly imposible to do i think.. considering how meny peaple would be needed and no agent smithing.. #Jaden

[@grast5150]

Tuning out....this is theory crafting at its best.

[@akiranightfury9319]

#jaden wooo

[@Dax85756]

What about lone wolf ships. What ships can be on their own? Maby the nautilus, polaris or others.

[@MrMotDab]

I like this format, I would like to see a estimated crew total of each build. Great video tho.

[@ese5102]

We thought the same thing looking back

[@strongback6550]

Can't wait to have a boss battle against one of these things.

[@MegaTigerNinja]

I love your idea about the Nautilus. I think it’s smart because they can retrieve mines and sentries. You needed a little more medical in Swiss Knife but the concept is great. An Apollo can be Swiss Army

[@emil8598]

This was cool

[@jaknazryth2488]

Other than the obvious changes with to reduction of cargo traded for shops, would the Privateer make a good org base? If you go to the RSI site right now, the description for the Privateer is identical to the Kraken. It appears that the Kraken description was simply copied over to the Privateer. But the weapons loadout appears the same. I'm assuming the internally fighter bays are the same as well as the landing pads on top. It's my understanding that there are supposed to be more staterooms / sleeping bays in addition to the shops. Also there is supposed to be a dragonfly bay in the Kraken that is replaced with "specialty" shops. Will there be a medical bay on the Privateer as is supposed to be on the Kraken? So if your org is focused more on trading, mining, and other types of industry, wouldn't the privateer be better?

[@plasticdeath31]

I think to compliment my Kraken the next thing I’ll save up for is a lot more friends

[@ese5102]

🤣

[@Jeff-pu5my]

I also wonder about nukes. You can fit a megaton nuke in a 24'' cap today... kinda makes the missile and torpedo size pointless. Our current systems are huge for propellent storage. Reason thinks that those size 9s should have random jump "blink-drives" to defeat those auto turrets. give em a little bit of Q fuel and give them 5 random jumps along the trajectory. oh man I hate how much of this game just lives in my head. can't wait for transfer locks. giving the eclipse a lock range linked to the tracker like the f-35s today give the new f-15 missile target data.

[@ese5102]

To date, Chris has said no nukes

[@jaknazryth2488]

Does anyone know if there is a cargo lift that connects the landing pads to the cargo bays on the Kraken? How do you get cargo from a landed ship into the Kraken's cargo bay? R.I.P. #Jaden and bless your friends and family

[@sovereign6291]

Trolleys like we see on Orison and the Kraken's internal tram.

[@Embarkation1]

I really like the look of this new series. Would like an Orion one next please.

[@Whiskeyagogo519]

I like the first build for Kraken support vehicles you showed first it was more of a long range exploration with medical support .all though in the second build out I like the drake cat to resupply the Kraken.. sorry I'm not a nautilus fan

[@lordfraybin]

What is your player count to run these fleets? How many friends are you counting on?

[@ese5102]

Exactly

[@eparock]

you can make that cat a snub carrier as well... and once modularity comes in the cat may be THE support ship.

[@Chexmaster]

Honestly when star citizen goes life it's going to be funny to see the comparison between beta people and regular afk backers

[@arbter56]

I understand the idea of using Buccaneers because of the parts compatibility but good God the idea of not having an ejection seat on a light fighter just rubs me the wrong way. #Jaden

[@crispy9175]

Great show as always! #Jaden

[@albortiiemango4094]

I imagine that a kraken would be more of an economic vessel rather than a military one

[@AcheliusDecimus]

I look forward to just being a crew member on any of these outfits.

[@Lambonights]

I think Drinkers fleet would be my pick of the three.

[@ekgnomad1496]

No reclaimer for salvaging bringing materials back to the Kraken to the fleet #Jaden

[@sennemaa59769]

first 🙂 #Jaden

[@fairq6063]

Dude, I totally feel like now when they launch the Kraken into the game, the patch notes would definitely say “Release the Kraken”, it sounds so stereotypical

[@benmaier7232]

at exes fleet maybe an explorationvessel to look for the next location to move to might be reasonable. Maybe an endeavor with hospital and a telescopic array. Though the big ships obviously cannot land on the kraken.

[@sheg9629]

wait what? kraken has a inside? like for ships can be stored inside???

[@ese5102]

Yes; at least 2 bays, plus a dragonfly bay and and cargo / vehicle area

[@ceeb40]

solo Kraken players are tearing up.

[@ese5102]

🤣

[@splashmynutz]

I cant wait to take out the kraken. my favorite ship by far

[@SamLowry_DZ-015]

Interesting series idea

[@N0V-A42]

Well I think we got more info on what it will take to release the Kraken and this video shows up in my recommendations. It's the Ironclad.

[@rolanders7553]

Privateer is the fleet I would love to do or a standard with a mining fleet

[@sovereign6291]

Flying Port Olisar ftw!

[@crystallkingh3048]

I happen to disagree slightly when it comes to psychological warfare for one very spesific reason, players are psychopaths and do not fear death. Just pick what is truly the most deadly and that's plenty detering.

[@maestrom7531]

It is gong to be tough to get enough players to helm all those ships... #Jaden