INSANE Battery Drain (VW Touareg TDI - Part 1)

Just when you think Ford Parasitic Battery Drains can be tricky...this 2012 VW Touareg says: "HOLD MY BEER".
Customer states that his 2012 Touareg TDI has been eating batteries overnight for over a year.
And you can't just disconnect the battery because it lives UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT!
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[@macktruck345]

This was my Touareg and I chased the problem for almost a year. I got tired of ruining the batteries and decided to let the true electrical guru fix it. Ivan did a fantastic job and communicated with me during the entire process. I couldn’t of asked for better service. I definitely was not taking it to a VW stealership. It’s now back to being a dependable awesome 32 mpg terrific vehicle. Thanks again Ivan!!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Hi Phil, thank you for the feedback! Was definitely a lengthy process, but well worth-it to get the car back to a reliable state :)

[@bigdaddymak1439]

Gotta be a VW diehard to keep this vehicle thru all this for sure! Farfegnugen

[@pl3pl3]

I had the exact same problem with my gfs touareg same year and engine The dealer told me it was cause i changed the truck battery with out doing a battery adapt After they did that the draw was gone

[@macktruck345]

@@pl3pl3 I did that but I didn’t fix the problem.

[@shuriKen469]

gotta be so reassuring that you got someone like Ivan doing the deed on your vehicle, cause i'd still be chasing and firing off the parts cannon for a pesky draw.

[@Diagnosedan]

Parasitic drains can be one of the most challenging and time consuming faults to find but you handled it like a Boss! Awsome case study Ivan! Great to read the feedback from the consumer!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thank you for the kind words Dan! Do you come across many parasitic draws? Do you have a similar strategy? 🙂

[@Diagnosedan]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics believe it or not but my next video is going to be a parasitic drain on a Mercedes GL 500.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@Diagnosedan Can't wait!

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

​@@Diagnosedan that was a good one!

[@baxrok2.]

"..The seat is still awake." Imagine what a 2023 must be like. That was awesome Ivan!

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

If it's any way similar to woke politics, it will suck.

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Instead of the obnoxious noises they all make when you turn the key or whatever it is they give you now it will play a clip of Kyle McLaughlin saying " The sleeper has awakened." And the headlights will be a cobalt blue.

[@pantherplatform]

This is the only content I can stand watching anymore.

[@romanosautomotive]

This is the first time I've commented on one of your videos because I felt the need to tell you that you absolutely kicked ass on this one. Super logical with your skill and research, then bang! Excellent.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thank you for the feedback 🙏

[@jeremyah78]

Cool to watch this! I just solved a 2 amp draw on an 03 Mercedes E320 yesterday. Went through a very very similar process. Turned out it was the passenger seat adjustment module keeping a network awake on it. Had a solid 8 hours into solving it! Challenging to say the least!

[@DaveSender66]

Just goes to show that the best diagnostic tool is still the smart's between the ears. Nice work Ivan, you certainly earned your pay on this one.

[@daveunbranded]

Good design for the battery if you stop and think about it. What is the most common battery issue, cold weather. The battery placed under the seat is one of the most intelligent places for it. The size is a bonus too. You don't have to worry about under power ever. Everyone complains about engineering but IMO, 4 seat bolts to get to a gigantic battery is not a huge deal

[@Sandmansa]

Thanks for taking us along for the ride on this adventure Ivan. it's a pleasure to watch you work. Tricky, troublesome car says: "Hold My Beer". Ivan says: "Sit down. I got this". lol

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Glad you enjoyed it 😁

[@chrissmith7655]

Hi Ivan, patience is a virtue you have in abundance you need for your work. Many thanks from UK.

[@1shakezula1]

If the Touareg is anything like my Q7 of the same generation (it probably is), the seat can be tilted out of the way if you just remove the front two triple squares. It's kinda tight (sucks pulling out the ~70lb battery) but it's easier than taking the entire seat off.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Eh what's another 2 bolts and connectors 😅

[@JohnnieBravo1]

Awesome Friday night! What a nice surprise when this one popped up. Darwin was watching it with me, and he usually is only interested in food, a box to crawl in, or a mouse to chase.

[@qhew]

brilliant detective work. one of hardest to diagnose issues i’ve ever seen. your knowledge & persistence paid off.

[@dustcommander100]

It amazes me how you have the resources you need organized, and you can switch so efficiently between them. The Wi-Fi parasitic draw device is killer! I can't wait to hear the price of the passenger door module and see you dig into the door for it! Simply amazing to see you solve these puzzles.

[@jimbergen5232]

Hmm, someone is not going to be happy that you might have found a ' Tracker '- GPS, I gather. As always such great deductive reasoning and clear explanation.

[@JimPaiva]

Verified the same symptoms and found the same issue with a Touareg I am working on. Very deceiving when other modules are drawing more amps, but not necessarily causing the CAN bus to stay awake! Always good to check someone else's issues first to see if you have the same issue!

[@petepeabody8905]

Ivan, love your new toys. Better yet watching you use them with your great skill. Very methodical and rewarding for sure. Amazing

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I love tools that make the diagnostic process more efficient and accurate 🙂

[@AP9311]

Wow, that's crazy to find the fault with the scope and look for the right module! Its nice tp have the wifi tracker to check the amp draws. Awesome video ivan!

[@kastooMcFry]

The Audi Q7 has a similar HUGE battery. My daughter has one. It has a parasitic draw a couple of weeks ago and found the MMI module was bad -- that's the control between the seats. It is all highly integrated. It still kinda worked but kept the system awake. I think they spilled soda in it. Thanks for taking us along, Ivan.

[@vpimike2646]

Awesome diagnosis, Ivan! Very thorough and scientific. Your diagnostic equipment is very impressive and I think that all automotive technicians around the world should be watching these videos closely. It seems to me that with the ever increasing number of gadgets and modules that manufacturers are putting into cars, your demonstrated use of diagnostic tools and techniques will be absolute "must-haves" in the future! 👍

[@MrSparks54]

Apparently VW never learned that putting batteries under seats is a gigantic pain in the arse. My '59 beetle had it under the rear seat which was easier to get to but still an idiotic idea. Good work Ivan. Cheers from Utah

[@hermannkampermann6830]

Unbelievable. I had also an intermitted draw on my car for a long time. After a long diagnosis following your strategies (also 2A current measured by an amp clamb) for parasitic draws I identified the same module on my audi a6 4g to be the problem. A reprogrammed used ebay replacement did solve the problem. I do not want to imagine how much a dealer would have been charged to find and repair this issue.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I'm sure they would never find it 😅

[@Autokey_Security_Services]

AUDI Q7 that same year range suffer from water intrusion rear quarter windows right hand side, usually amp is back there with water intrusion and corrosion... also the rain sensor in the windsheild and also the clusters cause parasitic draws. I always use infrared camera first saves alot of time. Soon I'm going to put together of a couple of those wifi loggers maybe Like 5 of them, I'm getting some custom PCB done to try and incorporate all parts on 1 pcb to board.

[@ThisIS_Insane]

I love system analysis like this! It's so satisfying when you find it, fix it and ship it! I've been into PC systems for over 45 years, and loved every single fix I performed. Logical procedures are necessary, to stay on track. Awesome job! If you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life! CHEERS! 👏👏👏

[@Hernandez530]

I think the little aftermarket 3amp fuse was for a GPS. I have seen them be installed like that. They usually tuck them way up behind the dash. 😂

[@sciatl2505]

GPS tracker for loan or buy here pay car lots

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

I'm impressed also with your improving editing skills, as it was fairly easy to follow, but one wouldn't know this diagnostic took 5 hours; I assume much of that time is reading wiring diagrams and making lists of modules. IOW all the boring prep which makes the magic look easy.

[@agoodneighborautorepair2176]

Wow very interesting case,last year have a similar problem in a 2017 F350 6.7l drained the batteries over night (the problem was the Passanger front window module regulator).blessings

[@au2diax802]

before watching this video, i am guessing that it is the keyless entry and start box, located close to the pedals, that is at fault. stupid expensive to buy, but changing a few components, worth pennies, usualy brings it back to life. so i was wrong,,, not a kessy problem. good work Ivan.

[@Flyingspann3r]

Touareg in the UK has two bolts under the carpeted plastic trim, remove these and remove rear runner plastic trims and it folds up to allow full access Ivan.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Interesting... This one had 4 bolts and 2 hard rails

[@Flyingspann3r]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Hey Ivan, love your videos, I’ve seen them all!! I have to say some of your repairs require balls of steel. Total respect!! Yours may be too early, but found a visual reference which may help others getting access to the battery. What the video does not show is if you remove the rear runner plastic trims then fold backrest forward, the seat swings right back. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3Och6tuZ9mVrZI

[@rick343]

Friday night and a pleasant surprise, a Pine Hollow video, love Ivan's work. Not going to miss this, part 1, oh boy, multi parts !!

[@noelcastle3986]

Another great video ,makes you think the door module could be in a vulnerable position for water ingress . I grew up years ago learning Fahrenheit and changed to Celsius when Australia changed to metric in the seventies . Find Celsius so much easier based on freezing and boiling points of water for zero to one hundred degrees. Hopefully you get to replace the module and we can see it all work correctly.

[@Frank-pv1hp]

Only to a true technician that has done this many times is the scope capture of the network going to sleep "the money shot"! I totally get it. It's a great feeling to have your hard work pay off.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yup it was amazing to see that line drop to zero ;)

[@frankvoynar6427]

I'd like to chime in on this one Ivan, after 47 yrs. As a Audi/VW tech dealership level. Almost half the time after market accessories the culprit with mainfused wiring tucked out an around main fuse / relay board. Second half water/ moisture intrusion from poorly designed an placed components an switches. Seems to me after all these years Germans never learned anything from the Asians quality an durability. Keep 'em coming Ivan, Great Job!!

[@milantrcka121]

Having had a couple of German cars ('84 Audi Quattro replaced by 1999 BMW 323i) lived to over 240k miles, I wonder whether modern "German echt-praecision" got too far ahead of itself...

[@zoidberg444]

Interesting - that might have got me. I probably would have started chasing the cluster or the HVAC controls instead of going to the network first. Being a door module you wonder if the car got rained on at some point and some corrosion got into the module through the switch.

[@GarnConstructionInc]

Nice work Ivan. Kinda crazy that how these modules can be rebooted to normal like they are as complex as a laptop!! They need a safe mode to test each modules health including a sleep mode misfire counter. The aftermarket mystery device hopefully wasn't triggering a module awake or into non sleep mode.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

That will add even more complexity. 😁 🙃

[@bernardaflores1720]

Lots of great comments below but as this car ages, the only uncomfortable place is the ownership costs. I see just as the starting point! Great detective video.

[@glennallen7129]

Ivan at it again! I wish you’d show how you find the service information to help you narrow down the problem like wiring diagrams and module powers etc.. but I guess it’d make the video twice as long. Props to you with the grit!

[@SsdBlig]

@T.J. Kong Thanks for the info. One question, do you have the "Alldata DIY" subscription? I was thinking about getting it for my cars but wasn't sure if the DIY version gives all the info as in Ivan's professional version. If you have the DIY subscription, are you saying it has the info in that much detail?

[@awd42]

@@SsdBlig I think the "DIY" subscription is limited to one vehicle model, but has the full amount of information.

[@scunnerdarkly4929]

I had a related issue with a door module on a 2011 Scirocco. One day for no apparent reason the driver’s window dropped a few inches while I was at work. When trying to close the window it would now go to the top and come back down again, leaving another gap of a few inches. Fortunately it was a dry day so I just drove home with the window as it was. VCDS showed no fault codes for that module and the procedure for resetting the window’s travel (taking the window to its extents and holding the switch for a few seconds) did nothing either. So the next logical step for me was to disconnect the battery and then reconnect it. Pressed the up switch and the window went up and stayed up, pressed it down and window went down, and it’s worked perfectly ever since. CAN-based cars are mobile networks, I’m a computer technician and sometimes “off” isn’t truly off until you disconnect the power completely. Apart from the inconvenience of leaving the window open it would have been interesting to see if my issue was also incurring a parasitic loss like this one, unfortunately I’ll never know as the problem was resolved before I had to dig any deeper.

[@nomad4x]

Another reason to buy a scope. I finally broke down and bought one. Thanks to watching this great content! I'm an advanced DIY guy and was a BMW a couple decades ago. Thanks Ivan, great video and your process of elimination was really well done.

[@billziegmond4943]

20 plus modules! Give me the old days. Crank windows Throttle and shift cables. Like you my friend I get an awesome feeling of self satisfaction when you find the problem though.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I'm not a fan of useless gizmos but power windows and locks are really nice to have 😄

[@billziegmond4943]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I remember as a kid going to Florida. 66 Chevy Malibu . Crank windows no A/C AM radio. No cruise control. Hell Dad had to add after market 4 way flashers.

[@lvsqcsl]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics That 966 has a quick ratio on the window regulator. You can get that window up with just a few turns.

[@lvsqcsl]

@@billziegmond4943 I remember as a kid going to Florida. 67 Ford Fairlane Squire wagon. It did have air conditioning, AM radio and 4 way flashers. I think the emergency flashers were required after 1967. For some reason, the rear windows had cranks but, you couldn't roll them down, they would hit the armrest. You also didn't have a Wal-Mart on every corner, so you cooked on the Coleman stove. The first time I walked into a Winn-Dixie it was the biggest store this young boy had ever seen; and you could walk to another store under the same roof.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@billziegmond4943 sounds like our first family trip to Florida in 1994 in a 1985 Honda Civic 😄 I remember turning into a pool of sweat being stuck in a traffic jam. Our friends gave us some cold water and I didn't understand how they were able to keep the water cold in their car. Turns out their 88 Olds Cutlass had ice cold AC haha 😂

[@codyarizona4925]

You made that look too easy PH. I actually had to watch this video twice to keep up! Incredible work man 👏

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

I really enjoy following your thought process in these parasitic drain cases, Ivan! The culprit being a door module, it could be water intrusion / green crusties, or the module just went berserk 🙂 Waiting for Part 2 - these German made doors are usually a pain to disassemble.

[@mikefoehr235]

Water is a great theory

[@AutomotiveEvangelist]

I have a 2017 Range Rover Sport (3.) L diesel) and it was a no start a week ago. Cluster was a Christmas tree...anyway it seemed to be a battery issue so I started diagnosing. Similar to an issue you had a while ago where the Autel was showing 11.4 v but the battery actually had 12.4 v. I started suspecting either the Gateway (GWM) or the module on the battery, but they both tested OK. It turned out that water had gotten into the ECM and destroyed it...but that's not why I'm commenting... It turns out that JLR uses a Bosch system, which is what I assume is on this VW. Buried in the workshop manual is a statement that you should only charge the vehicle via the post under the hood, and NOT directly at the battery. The reason given was that it will likely lead to failure of the BMS - the battery maintenance module that is attached to the negative post of the battery. At one point you had considered doing that, and I just wanted to pass along that Bosch says not to.

[@charleshepplewhite7384]

Great show mate,Thermal camera what a great diagnostic tool

[@mike-yp1uk]

You love it. It's so challenging and exciting and you probably get excited in the morning to go and solve a case. 🤣

[@alexanderlawrie5928]

Well done they seat bolts are single use just to complicate things.Typical modern car issues. Keep up the good work Ivan 👌

[@NZdiagnostics]

I bought a logger like that which was on Kickstarter or similar about 10 years ago. I can't remember the name of it, but it's super awsome. It's temporarily missing as I moved recently but can post the name of it when it turns up if anyone is interested. It's pretty much water and dust proof too so great for taping under the bonnet/hood for testing as well.

[@markb3129]

After all the videos I have watched on your repairs you still amaze me with your patience and electrical solving skills!!✌🏻

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

This one definitely required loads of patience and focus!

[@davyarthurs]

I love your super logical thought processes - they make absolute logical😝 sense! I think this gives you that ‘edge’! I have a feeling the power reset of that module is only a temporary fix as no doubt the customer has been here before, like when replacing the car battery, it would have ‘reset’ that module and it would be fine for a while after, and then it would start all over again! Look forward to Part 2!

[@TroyCarroll509]

Awesome video! I was wondering if you have ever tried an Amp Hound. Because it will tell you the voltage drop across each fuse and convert it to amps or milliamps which will be displayed on the screen. It also gives you an audible beep if the circuit is alive. it has helped me tremendously over the years. Thanks again for the video.

[@scottl5000]

2004 V10 Touareg, 500K miles. Dreaded battery drain problem. Occurred at the same time my outside door lock. button stopped locking the car. I put a amp meter on the battery under the seat (which is easy to flip up the seat). And traced the power usage by pulling fuses and relays. Turned out to be a short in the driver side door handle outside button. It became corroded. So the car thought the button was being pushed all the time. Thus activating all the key-fob radios. 5 amp drain, 24 hours a day. Devours batteries, kills the alternator. I peeled open the button, ripped out the surface mount switch and epoxy filled it. I get no thrill using that button.

[@mcjjordan]

At last ive found a channel that shows my trade & how much work is actually involved

[@mrblonde2013]

Are you sure it's a module, not perhaps an input/output pertaining to that specific module? I have been down that road myself, calling a module when it was in fact an input issue into the module. My next step would be uncovering that module, using jumpers, only connecting power, ground and comms.if problem still there, it's a module, if not, more diag time needed.

[@iamnoone.]

That's why I love my old car it only has one module in it. an ignition module. No power seats or windows an am radio dimmer switch on the floor one speed wipers no ac

[@videosandmoremouse4626]

Hi the the UK we have a tracker that can be fitted to the car for young drivers to keep a eye on there driving. It's a small black box and it has a 3amp fuse. I don't know if car insurance company use them over there

[@bluejayoutpost9170]

Ivan we all can't go to sleep either~until the end of the video~WTG 👍

[@markt5426]

Impressive Ivan, excellent diagnostic skills.👍👍

[@gerardmccarthy2432]

Dont even think about the 06 V10 edition. 2x batteries and the wonderful Kessy module

[@byrd203]

ivan basicly ivan i belive there is a short to power on the module when warm the joint gets tighter and green crustys on door board if you can take a look in the system probley a crack or bad joints

[@proluxelectronics7419]

Iv'e repair loads of KESSY units on these, the problem is, depending on the amount of water ingress, the canbus activation is random and hard to trace. Always worth popping the case open and checking for the killer greenies...😄😄😄

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

KESSY?

[@proluxelectronics7419]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Keyless entry module. It's supposed to sit in the background and monitor keyless entry, 2 Mosfets start playing up, and it draws power randomly. Impossible to datalog, use visual inspection.

[@willemstreutgers1154]

@@proluxelectronics7419 I hate the KESSY systems. Nowdays lot of theft kessy cars from Toyota (RAV4)

[@anthonydefreitas6006]

Ivan working in Celsius, your cold heart beats European blood

[@Koolbreeze25]

Hey Ivan…I noticed you have a wood stove in your garage. I considered installing one in my garage but my insurance would not cover the garage if I mixed gas and flammables with a wood stove. Please check into that to make sure you’re not exposed. Love the podcast!

[@calholli]

It would be cool to see a non-stop time lapse on a job like this. With you also doing the research and diagram lookups all in the same shot. Like an overhead view of the entire garage or something. Just to show how much time is spent on crawling around the car, vs how much time is spent digging through the data on the computer, etc. I think it would make for a very interesting video on it's own. Just a time lapse view, from the upper corner of your garage, looking down on the whole case study.

[@engeneer_ru5827]

I support this idea! And a real-time counter in the frame.

[@cullenmiller8170]

Nice video and diagnosis. I guess there’s a survivor of Diesel Gate.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

Your lucky it's in the fuse block. It could have been an intermittent somewhere else. Good find Ivan.

[@theGADGETSplaylist]

WiFi Parasitic Logger got more air time! thank you, Ivan

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It's quickly becoming one of my favorite specialty tools 😉

[@theGADGETSplaylist]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics am pleased to hear it

[@germanjesus]

This is why I own the most simple vehicles no extra luxury items. The more options you have the more that can go wrong.

[@adaniel69]

Isn't dangerous in case of an accident, car battery acid to spill everywhere in the cabin?

[@ashone185]

Love your Channel. The only one américan who do european cars

[@calholli]

At 28:00 --- Once you wrote down all your "safety" modules--- I would pull out the thermal camera again and see if there is anything that can give you a hint on which module to chase first. Like that rear quarter that was slightly lit up earlier.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

They are all awake so that would be fruitless 😊

[@calholli]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I see

[@kthwkr]

In a certain American car the DVD player had an error which crashed the entertainment bus. And the car manufacturer had also put the anti-lock brakes on the same bus. Yikes! So the DVD player could make the anti-lock brakes not work. Actually, (I say sheepishly) it was my companies DVD player that did the deed. But all I had to do was add a pullup resistor and it was fixed. But the paperwork was massive. My boss was a genius with obfuscation and when he explained the issue to the car company they thought it was all their fault. Well it kinda was. We crashed the entertainment bus but they put the brakes on that bus.

[@chrism5433]

I've done loads of f those . Might get lucky and find lost coins lol. Ju as t tip the seat back . And Yes the battery is a pain

[@roxanneabbott8424]

I love your methodical thinking, thank you for showing us Ivan!!!

[@sniffer2500]

That little fuse under the driver's side dashboard goes to a ' low jack ' tracking system, for police to locate the vehicle if " stolen ".

[@meblake7359]

Wouldn't it be nice if the scan tools could allow us to shut down modules individually in order to narrow down a parasitic draw?

[@drjay4915]

PATIANTS OF A SAINT IVAN. no parts cannon or super swapping required today .bet your glad it's all on video or it might be tricky charging all that labor for pulling a fuse and then putting it back in 🤨🤔😂

[@elregio69]

Brother, how do you keep a battery maintainer when doing all the testing? Thanks, awesome video as always God Bless

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It's connected to the battery posts directly 👍

[@vanthompson7776]

I have a Ford Mustang 1998 with a Mach 360 auto system it has twin amps the drain drove me nuts it was one of the amps under the back seat not fun to change

[@mtntopMark]

Thoroughly enjoyed the process! Very curious about the aftermarket parasitic wiring. A remote starter possibly? Great video as always!

[@macktruck345]

It was a tracking device. I asked Ivan to just keep the fuse pulled. I’ve no idea who installed it. I’m guessing the CIA.

[@johnpappas2060]

Bless AWESOME 👏. With patience & complete understanding of part functions, repairs can be done. Thanks 😊

[@jerryking2418]

Yet another brilliant diagnostic.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Practicing on those Lincolns paid big dividends on this one 😉

[@lvsqcsl]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I enjoy those; can't wait until you do the next one.

[@howelljackson5583]

I connect my memory saver to the dlc then disconnect the battery terminal to make the series connection for parasitic drain test. After meter is in series, I unplug memory saver. I find it easier than trying to do the 'don't lose connection' dance

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Great idea!

[@androidemulator6952]

Ivan , yet another awesome fix - thank you for sharing. Let me know when we can buy one of those WiFi Parasitic Draw Logger Modules !!

[@neilmurphy845]

I think that is a GPS tracker that tracks the driver speed and so on it's for insurance but only young drivers use that because are insurance is so expensive.

[@phprofYT]

About the same size as my Ram 1500 EcoDiesel's battery. That's a 3.0L v6 diesel as well so it makes sense. At least mine is under the hood, left side.

[@lvsqcsl]

So, you concluded Ivan, that the cluster was NOT the cause of this cluster; it was the passenger door module. I have had a bit of experience with heat guns and I can tell you they aren't always accurate. You always show a bit of concern over charging for your time. It isn't like you were sitting in a chair sipping whiskey; you had that Russian brain engaged and working, removing seats trying to accurately diagnose the complicated electrical issue. You are not doing this for fun; you need to get paid for your time. It could have been worse, it could have been one of those Volkswagens that is based on a Chrysler minivan. Great video!

[@painterman6574]

You get paid for what you know not what you do.

[@lvsqcsl]

@@painterman6574 Precisely.

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

You were fired up on this one. Good job.

[@pantherplatform]

I got a thermal imaging camera just like yours for doing the exact same thing.

[@danielgreenbaum8875]

Great video ivan learnt some new ways of testing the parastic logger tool can I buy one is it out on market to buy ?

[@plastbestikk]

These cars are pretty busy when shutting down. It may take half an hour for most of the modules to go into sleep. If the car has keyless entry, this module together with “central electric Gateway” is the last to shut down. Even if there’s no parasitic draw, these rolling tech-containers needs healthy AGM batteries installed.

[@williegillie5712]

Boy the IR camera was a great tool for that drain. Could tell the cluster was getting pretty warm. I wonder what’s in there? I’ll bet Ivan tracks it down. Should have scoped the fuse box/s

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It's a great preliminary tool that told me the entire car was "awake" 😄

[@tomtke7351]

thx for sharing your projected hours charged

[@murphy1772]

Amazing job and your brains are similar like mister name Einstein has. Most of these kind goes to cars resellers and the next owner if use the car every days doesn't know the problem before he/she goes to few weeks vacation another country and the car was stand alone that time. Greetings from Finland.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yes this issue would not be possible to figure out without a methodical approach!

[@ehsnils]

B.t.w. Passenger door module - that could be water in the module or green crust in the connector causing the issue and keeping the module awake. One thing that wasn't tried as far as I could see was the actual window switch being disconnected since that switch could be the actual item keeping the module awake. There may be other inputs as well - and on many vehicles the passenger door module and driver door module are identical but with different programming, so it could also be an unused input and moisture. Just my take on the issues seen here.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I've never seen water intrusion actually keep a module "awake" and talking. More likely to short out the entire network and set comm codes :)

[@ehsnils]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics if it's on a switch input pin it's possible. Some switches are actually permitted to wake up the net or keep the net alive. I did work for a vehicle manufacturer for 9 years and got some insights into the logic of what could wake up or keep a vehicle net alive.

[@davidlewis7658]

Noticed the fuse with a tracking Rf chip? Really? That would disturb me if found in any of my vehicles?😮

[@samas5695]

I wonder if rear passenger door module is slave module like in old vw. And maybe the slave module keeping master module awake. Would like to see that theory tested as i no longer get vw to work on xd

[@rick5515]

That was the fastest 40 min. Like watching a really good movie and 2.5 hrs. go by in a snap of the finger. Thanks again.

[@lonwillis783]

Wow remove the seat, just like VW from the past My 1974 VW bug had the battery under the back seat at least it was easily removed. Thank You. 😀👍

[@keltecshooter]

Had a late model F truck with a draw , tracked it down to the BCM only to find Ford refuses to sell the module because of "security" concerns. Furthermore they insisted on an unlimited diagnostic before any repairs. Keep your old cars running people !

[@lvsqcsl]

I have accepted the fact that I will need to drive this 28 year-old-car for many years.

[@engeneer_ru5827]

Привет Иван! Впервые увидел у тебя в кадре оригинальные схемы VAG. Какое впечатление у тебя осталось от оригинального стиля электросхем VAG ? Я, много лет на них смотрю и до сих пор ненавижу :)))))