Insane build plan | #3 King Zero V12 supercar!

[@robbin763]

Its a BIG longshot but you could reach out to Rennsport for their ITB manifold for the m70. Its a cable throttle unit and they offer ECU services for the engine. The sound of that V12 with ITBs and long tube headers would be godly.

[@jameshaulenbeek5931]

Ooooooooo...😳🤤 ITBs would be hot...

[@ExplizitDuester]

Megasquirt ECU claims they work on V12s maybe check out if their MS3-Pro works for you.

[@wwm371]

This is more like Evil Genius Garage.

[@Terryrouge427]

Aint no body seen gangster lean the way Casey gonna look driving this car

[@redporschekilla]

Casey, you're one of a kind, the way you produce cool project for young guns wanting to learn is awesome, keep rocking!!!

[@Nowheremt]

I’ve been waiting for the Stratos Zero since 1970, hurry up! Lol...

[@zachjl96]

try looking into megasquirt i do believe it would be able to support a v12 and probably reuse sensors as well

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I love the 'just build it' attitude. So many arm chair engineers get analysis paralysis and never end up doing anything ;)

[@Local_Guy]

Holy shit, that ending tho. Always getting 50% closer... all of a sudden your close enough. Nothing has to be 100% so long as you actually gave your best effort and got as close as possible. Wow Casey that's good

[@dannydethanos6994]

Thank you Casey I’ve never heard a car building channel talk reasonably about the cost of turbocharging a car most people just go yeah turbo it.

[@aaryeshg.6526]

I agree. That V12 already has well over 300 hp. That's more than enough for what he's building.

[@noahpaulette1490]

Yeah sure it's fun to turbo things and you can get cheap turbos that work reasonably well but nothing big enough for a v12.

[@BradParler]

Freakin' love the illustration you used at the end. Dreamers get things done, look forward to more from y'all on this build! Keep kicking ass and being awesome.

[@ExplizitDuester]

I really love how your channel is developing. You have a nice roster of cars your students can work on to get first hand mechanical experience no theoretical teaching can supply

[@shinren_]

Casey i just wanna say man i respect you so much you're a guy that builds cars and even finds time to reply to comments, other youtubers that just make videos apperantly have no time to interact with the fans, but you build cars make videos and still find time to reply to comments huge respect

[@CaseyPutsch]

We’re in it together!

[@bluntdiamond498]

There were BMW E31 with M70B50 engines which came with manual. I think it might be possible to change software on stock ECUs or just buy an ECUs from manual. There are some people in my country who modify those ECUs and they have worldwide shipping and online services so I think they may be able to help. I can send you their email if you are interested.

[@CaseyPutsch]

Please do. You can write me through the Genius Garage website

[@derodelvalle3586]

Yea is possible is not very hard to trick the ecu the hard part is programing the ecu to work outside of the car that is the pain on the back more with BMW and Mercedes Benz because You have sensors everywere and always You have 2 or 3 ecu for the engine, the car and the accessories but if You know the people or You have experience is possible to do it very easy

[@shinren_]

@john mac why the capslock?

[@bluntdiamond498]

@@CaseyPutsch I sent you a message through your website

[@matthewpalm2941]

I really enjoy watching your whole building process. Not just with this car but all the projects you guys have going on. Casey you're doing a great thing for your students and all of us watching. Keep it up.

[@bluntdiamond498]

I am really happy to see all those fantastic projects! Although there are many youtube channels about builds I have never seen one where you can see as many fascinating builds as here and they are build in the same time. It's amazing!

[@kingbaldwinthe4]

Love the episodes and the interviews that you are doing with the students. Nothing but best wishes for the future and mad respects man. You are really pushing the envelop for young car enthusiasts. God bless you abundantly man. Just one thing, we are missing the smack talks. #respectfrompakistan

[@tap0019]

This build looks like it is going to ROCK! I love to see someone so enjoy designing a car out of pieces and parts.

[@nate8088]

There is nothing more inspiring than someone in the midst of a manic episode. :) Loving this project.

[@deanweaver1067]

I so look forward to these videos! Thank you so much for what you're doing with GG and for sharing it with all of us! ❤😊

[@4BillC]

I can't wait to see this build though! Definitely an ambitious project!

[@FierceMotorworks]

Super excited to see this build take shape. Please don't brush off crash safety. You can be the best driver and someone will still smash into your front wheel/corner with their SUV because they "didn't see you". And if your knees are right next to it, broken legs are no joke. Please reinforce accordingly. Key word here is safety cage. Since you are so close to the front and sides of the car, you don't want it to crumple into your body.

[@sampezzimenti6590]

Love watching these builds and the fact that you are creating one of a kind cars. Like kit cars but full functional. Also love you watch, I just purchased my first one the other day and man it was hard to find

[@rexhorning7228]

Casey, Thank you for your channel. Love the school aspect combined with your engineering. Like the format of telling the story and watching it develop. Tired of watching cut grind and weld videos. Like this is the idea and here is what we ended up with.

[@user-fd7vt5zx7q]

I love the zero... and your version is fantastic!!! great philosophy!!!! I'm really looking forward to seeing all of the steps you take and then to see this drive! :) keep up the great work! you are my inspiration!

[@mycool8980]

I've always wanted to know what a v12 with equal length 12 into 1 exhaust will sounds like. Guess ima have to wait till the Miata get finished

[@patjo553]

Working from 10+ year old memory here and could be for wrong version but there is a switch in the gearbox telling the ECU whether it is in neutral or not. Keep track of that and you should be good.

[@sdchev01]

I must correct an earlier comment. After seeing the Stratos Zero being driven, I now understand the concept. You'll do very well with your version of the Zero. I can't wait to see it in final form!

[@aaronredbaron]

Close enough to wing it! Good luck Casey, great content, and even better projects!

[@ToomasTelling]

Haltec Ecu for stand alone. Skidfactory on youtube used a Haltec Ecu to get a Toyota Century V12 to run in a diffrent chassi because an automatic cars ECU will not allow the engine to rev if it dosent see data from the transmisson.

[@horizoninabucket]

Good idea. Haltec seem like they're keen to work with youtubers too.

[@ToomasTelling]

@@horizoninabucket one of their top guys the Tuning fork has been part of the Mighty Car Mods crew for years.

[@kylegifford546]

Was literally looking for F1 style seats in a custom car and couldn't find one so its cool to see thats what you're doing. Another dumb thing I was looking for is a 4 wheel vehicle made from 2 motorcycle frames welded together.

[@papacapra1908]

Super old school dangerous!!!! Sweet! I’m in!

[@neptunefly36]

I love the craftsmanship and hard work you and your team put into these projects Casey. Quite honestly I don’t know anyone who would put anywhere near the amount of work you and your team would when doing things like this. Truly inspirational✊✊

[@seanforehand755]

Megasquirt ms3 can run the m70. There are a couple manual swapped e32 750s. There are 3 ecus running that motor, plus one for the transmission.

[@seanforehand755]

I believe the easiest way to manual swap and get it to run would be the megasquirt. You can order a kit and literally build the board, or buy it ready to go. The harness seems daunting, but you can use a lot of gm sensors, and gm electric throttle bodies. While lame in comparison to a mechanical throttle, way easier. Im sure you can make a manual work by fooling the stock ecus into thinking the auto is in neutral.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

Good luck with the build, that crank to transaxle adapter fixes a lot of issues for you though I agree it wouldn't hurt to check the balance of the flex/adapter/coverplate assembly. Must admit I would have wanted to fix the original motor and sell it on (not knowing how broken it is) but I guess that's just a diversion from the task at hand.

[@aneudysc]

For the ECU I think you can check out FuelTech, they say you can manage 12 cylinders... I am going to use one of theirs on my motorcycle (the baby one)

[@ANTIPURIST625]

As the owner of a 850ci 6 speed, replace the plug wires (or rebuild them and replace the m70 cps/donuts) while you have the engine out!!!!

[@ANTIPURIST625]

oh and replace or reseal the intake manifold gaskets!!!

[@ii7317]

@@ANTIPURIST625 at least it has no timing chain guides trouble like in the V8

[@rickbil]

Great car project - I am wondering if you will be adding a roll cage to the Porsche chassis - not only for safety but also for frame stiffness so the car can have good handling as well.Thanks for all your car videos - Sincerely Richard - from Toronto,Ontario Canada.

[@markscully2342]

a sound and good design would use double wishbones and pull rod activated shocks possibly below the drivers knees?

[@zacht9447]

You should DEfinitely have some exposed tubing to use as a handle when you get in and out like right at the hinge you know. just adding a little ergonomics in the future

[@serpentarius5074]

Oh God, finally you started the King Zero car build!

[@olsonspeed]

Putching the envelope, I like your out of the box daring in building the ZERO.

[@fahndraco526]

Will you be fitting the same type of steering wheel that moves out of the way of the driver by folding forward in the Lancia Stratos Zero, as there is some videos on KZbin of the Lancia Stratos Zero at a car show with the driver getting out of the car and you see how the steering wheel folds all the war forward and upright to allow the driver easier assess to get in and out of the low slung seats?

[@LuisFelipepg96]

My early 90 E36 bmw had the transmission swapped (from auto to manual) and the ecu worked like it was meant to be, now I'm taking the original EFI out and installing a Fueltech Ft600 ecu (I think all the models for then support 12 cilinders engines)

[@OGSomeOne]

Have you considered using some of the newer aero system designs that you see on race cars today that create a vacuum under the car to help suck it down to the road? First thing that came to mind when you were describing the wing effect.

[@MrLordZenki]

The Chaparral 2J from 1969 used a snowmobile engine to drive a large fan mounted under the car. It also had Lexan sideskirts that hugged the ground and it quite literally vacuumed itself to the ground. When it wasn't broken it obliterated the competition. The sanctioning body indirectly banned it the next year by adding a rule that cars could only use engines to drive the wheels.

[@OGSomeOne]

@@MrLordZenki they don't use a seperate engine to create the vacuum under most of the modern race cars. It's done with aero design. Ducting to the engine compartment and other areas that need cooling along with some underbody air vanes to direct air which causes a vacuum under the center/rear of the vehicle.

[@MrLordZenki]

@@OGSomeOne I know it's done differently now, but my point was it's not something unique to modern cars. Also the "fan car" concept is still valid with modern technology.

[@eduardogarcia3049]

As already mentioned, megasquirt3 evo will give you everything you need plus a good number of GPIO and you can connect it all directly to a digital dash as well. Best bang for your buck with the ms and plenty of support from the community in the msextra forum. I don’t know if it supports dual throttle body, but I am sure the additional features that you won’t use like boost control and so on can be adapted to work for the throttle body’s. The one that can probably provide a ton of help with questions is muaythaiboxer on the msextra forum. He has developed a ton of code and features for the mega squirt.

[@randster64]

I'm really looking forward to seeing this build

[@CBerr]

Wait if you guys are going to road America will you be there all weekend

[@mickcoomer9714]

My two pot Lister boat engine had a coin on the top, I glued it there.

[@owensparks5013]

Is that the one with the toaster rack of ECUs? Three total, one for each bank of the V12 and the final one to keep a running total of how much to charge the customer for the next service at the stealership?

[@bluntdiamond498]

M70 also has two fuel pumps, fuel rails, distributors, mass air flow sensors, crankshaft position sensors, coolant temperature sensors and throttle bodies. The crankshaft position sensors are quite expensive and they often fail in BMW. In my e36 (it runs on Siemens and this V12 runs on Bosch ECU so there is some difference) I had to change crankshaft position sensor twice because new one failed after few months.

[@johnparrish9215]

Who sells performance camshafts for the BMW V12???? I have been looking but not finding any. I would love to increase the duration just enough to give it a little chop and move peak power to 6500 RPM.

[@patriklenck1735]

Schrick should have some Cams for the M70

[@jimcolangelo7003]

Best build on KZbin right now by far. BTW have you thought of using fuel tank "bags" in case you have really limited space? Some big cons with those but could be a thought (that you already thought of I'm sure haha) Keep it up!!

[@Alejandro_BoniIIa]

“It’s unsafe so I just won’t” is exactly what I told my mom when she told me I was going to spill my bowl of ramen that was up to the brim

[@Khanman1]

Good luck with the ecu!

[@popuptoaster]

I dunno if you got them over there but the Alpha 164 V6 is one of the prettiest modern(ish) engines and it's FWD so would work for mid engined, not much power but it's looks would work in a mad looking car like this project.

[@shoominati23]

you should have airbrushed the lines in on the side detail drawing like they did in the past. i have a picture of Harley Earl airbrushing the 1958 Chevrolets just like that

[@BretM]

Casey! Who did you get to make that adapter plate for the transmission? I would love to commission something for my car.

[@apancher]

You guys going to be back at Road America next weekend?

[@CaseyPutsch]

Yes! With Lycan

[@RzogL]

I wonder, are high profile tyres, like on the original car, going to be a necessity?

[@VINCENTDARKLY]

I love this, I kind of wish and kind of don't wish you could get more sponsors to help build this car.

[@StaredownGames]

This is gonna either get weird or awesome. I'm staying either way!

[@1183newman]

This King Zero reminds me of the Warp 8 kit car.

[@Chris-hq7nl]

Could you nab the ECU from a BMW 850CSI? Some of those ran 6 speed manuals. You'd probably need the flywheel from it. And that car deserves a NA V12. Angry snails would make it faster for sure, but there's something about a big normally aspirated engine breathing deep when you put the pedal to the floor.

[@ScottJ175]

So you managed to work out the width so it'll be a two seater?

[@supraeric]

who made the adapter for the trans can I get a link to a website

[@purplegravy]

This is going to be cool. You gotta stop addressing the haters. You’re doing what everyone wishes they could do!

[@benvin10365]

Great project!

[@deanweaver1067]

What are you doing with the Boxster seats?

[@stijn8969]

I always got told: sometimes over engineering is under engendering. If things can be simple keep it simple

[@AndyGeesGarage]

That v12 is about the same size as a small block chevy

[@nitroustommy]

I believe you should be fine with the stock ecu and a manual trans. Typically you'll run into low idle while in gear problems with a manual trans ecu in a automatic.

[@angelmoreno9339]

Im curious about the ecu also, its going to be a good challenge, if you decide going to a stand alone ecu I would suggest asking Haltec for a collaboration or a donation of an ecu given that they supply the ecu for the v12 ls engines. Ps I have no idea if a haltec ecu would work on that engine. Love the videos, I will sitck arround until that car runs on a racetrack lol

[@johnparrish9215]

I read that the Megasquirt Gold Box will run that V12 easily even with the electric throttle bodies. I would make a new intake manifold, I'm fairly good at it, and shorten the runner length by half and run a single 102mm GM style mechanical throttle body. BTW: I run a pair of eBay turbos (GT45) on my daily driver, for two years now, and have not had a single problem with them, getting a transmission to live behind that gen 6 big block has been a problem however.

[@technosworld2]

you heard it here first, GTA Cow catcher is the next build project :p

[@VampyrMygg]

Clarion built a 6 speed manual 850, which is an M70B50 as well, they had to find someone with an old-school computer to use older software to reflash the ECUs. So it's possible even with stock ECU... just not easy.

[@VampyrMygg]

www.speedhunters.com/2017/09/clarion-builds-bmw-850ci/ the Clarion car, in case ya were curious, they say what gearbox they used and such.

[@andresgarcia7757]

Dude you built a batmobile with a jet engine so I don’t think you’ll struggle building this! Can’t wait to see it!

[@benjaminbuljevic7977]

i was wondering this all along: are you building these cars for the track only or will you get them road legal? if you want them to be road legal, is that possible in america? here in germany, the only way to build a car yourself and get it road legal is to take an old chassis from before there were any significant regulations like from an old beetle and just build your car ontop of that. to register it, you would then have to get paperwork for every single modification which can be very expensive

[@nickhanscome]

It's very easy in America, State to State the laws have variation. But so few people do a self built car that they only really require mirrors, lighting, a horn and not much else. In Arizona the car has to pass emissions regulations based on the year, which isn't an issue when your self build car identifies at a 1970 King Zero

[@sdchev01]

Hopefully you won't have to install a halo bar in the center of the windshield. I like what you're doing. I'm sure it will look fantastic.

[@markscully2342]

why on earth would you use the porsche mac strut suspension???

[@ingvargissurarson4671]

Those who say it cannot be done, should not be in the way of those doing it....... Looking forward to se this build becoming a reality.

[@easyBob100]

Megasquirt. I think they can handle 12 cylinders. Also, not sure about this either, but couldn't you just roll your own frame and then bolt the subframes onto it? Seems like you'd be able to get everything to the right length/width if you did that.

[@mrmou.4893]

tell me u gonna keep those beautiful porsche wheels pleaseeee

[@lukeflyby2430]

Next project car: an auto union grand prix car with a bmw v12 😂

[@megaparcoffroad]

cool project 🍻👍

[@tassiehunter7184]

Will it be carbon fibre

[@rogerjohnson378]

Fulvia V4 is not lame, never disrespect it.

[@MrLordZenki]

That's an interesting interpretation of Zeno's Paradox lol. I've always considered it to be one of the dumber paradoxes because it only applies to a world of pure theory and no actual action. Much like armchair engineers lol.

[@CaseyPutsch]

Boom!

[@angussiegloff5238]

If the engineer understands basic calculus he would know that the infinite sum one zenos paradox adds to a whole number.

[@mortisCZ]

Hey, I'm an armchair engineer but there is always difference between mental gymnastics in search of elegant answer and problem solving. Solving problems with chemical production, logistics etc. under strict deadlines and with limited budget makes me money but it's liberating to push some idea into absurd detail in my free time. It forces me to learn and remember that the world around us gets more complex with each step closer to perfection. Please, don't be too harsh with us armchair specialists. We might just want to "Git gud". :-)

[@DrBenIngle]

On Car Fix two guys fixed John cenas kit lamborghini that had the same BMW v12 they might be able to help you.

[@Tabletop-Newtype]

anybody wondering if Casey will keep the AC in this car? or will i just be full blown stripped out concept race car supercar like the Sesto Elemento and Egoista

[@RRninja-jq6lp]

Ecu master is the best in it class (price point) and can can run a v12 with its stock throttle bodies.

[@AndyGeesGarage]

You could use a gas tank from a Crown Vic and put it behind the seats

[@toolzshed]

This is so exciting 😀❤️

[@MrMightyytau]

Watch Hoovies video on his 7 series, and change the timing chain dampers.

[@bonecrrusherSS]

Casey - CarFix over on Motortrend worked on v12 swapped Lambo kit car. The car used 2 Chevy Beretta V6 harnesses and ECM's from the early 90s. Here is the episode - I don't have much more info about how the wired them up. The Beretta/Corsica/Cavalier/Grand Am/Grand Prix/Lumina - and a few more GM cars did come with a V6 and 5 speed manual combination. www.motortrendondemand.com/detail/lam-faux-ghini/36363/

[@captainzoll3303]

you definitely should leave the vents open in the back, put a spare tire above the gearbox, 60's LM style.

[@pauliusale2841]

Yeh. So regarding engine management most of the guys go to cheap option of putting stand alone like megasquirt. Even here in europe where E31 parts are a little bit easyer to find. I am not a big bmw guy and do not have a lot of knowledge on the v12 but know that much that dual OEM ECU system is a mess to work with.

[@whollymindless]

Avalon is hoping for some "incident" that makes this whole thing go viral without hurting anyone... Or they're going to make him rename it to the "Putsch Zero"

[@fee_lo5265]

Sooooo... what is king zero anyway? Are you going to make me look it up or are you going to tell me something about your sponsor 😂. Love it dude... if those people are smart they should be ecstatic with your choice.

[@incognito.]

That's what you call consistency

[@motome8]

Still wondering why you didn’t just build a tube frame...

[@CaseyPutsch]

time and money

[@motome8]

Casey Putsch seriously! I would think that all the mods you need to do on the body would take more time then Bulding from scratch, but not sure how much parts your useing fro the Porsche and if that was worth what you paid. I just know from the metalwork I do that sometimes it is easier and cheaper to start from scratch. But I have never built a car so I will bow to your knowledge :j. Thank you for answering.