Insane Deals! | The Definitive UK EV Charging Prices & Power Guide

[@sargfowler9603]

Remember hunting around to get another 2p off the price of a litre of petrol? This takes it to another level! Thanks for the honest and detailed update Dave!

[@Terry-q7y]

Meanwhile you pull over because your EV has run out of charge

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

@@Terry-q7y how many EVs have you seen pulled over needing a charge. I drive in the region of 80k miles a year and have yet to see one. Seen losads of broken down ICE vehicles though.

[@Terry-q7y]

@@MrDAVIDATKIN A trucker in california says he sees at lest one burnt out EV every week

[@Terry-q7y]

@@MrDAVIDATKIN He says he can tell it's an EV because of the molten slag which you do not get with ICE cars that are burnt out

[@StephenButlerOne]

​@@Terry-q7ythat's because Americans aren't the sharpest of tools

[@Jaw0lf]

Thanks Dave for all your hard work to get all of these figures. Another great roundup.

[@philipjones4044]

Worth mentioning that with quite a few of the more expensive ones like Osprey and Geniepoint, if you have an Electroverse card from Octopus (don't need to have them as your utility provider to get this free card) there are times when there's excess supply and there's a 20% discount (they call it plunge pricing). Often in the summer when it's summer holidays, and generally when it's a windy weekend.

[@StephenButlerOne]

Been a few plunges over the last month. The only issue is they are usually early in the mornings when it's been windy, and there is little demand on the grid. I'm not getting out of bed for it. Especially when it's still cheaper at Tesla. And if it's in the night I'll usually be at home, and it's not going to be under 7p

[@timothykearns2054]

This must be the best EV channel on u tube. Will done Dave.

[@calumthornton1918]

If you use Octopus Electroverse a lot of the CPOs offer discounts, especially if you are on IOG at home. For example Osprey also offer off peak rates as well

[@tomsalmon5634]

Also I find that the Octopus Electroverse app is gorgeous, much better than ZapMap.

[@davidskidmore6741]

Thank you for all your work. Im moving over to an EV in 2025 and i cant wait.

[@douglaswares8296]

Worth noting that as I reported recently Ionity have advised that their package linked to new vehicles with free membership for one year is reducing to 33p per kWh from January from the present Passport price of 43p. Not sure if this will apply to the normal Passport pricing or a ‘special’ linked to new car deals.

[@mosvids4152]

Thanks for this update. I've yet to buy an EV. The prices mentioned seem expensive. My house rate is approx 24p kWh. I realise the charger companies need a reasonable ROI but more than three times the domestic rate is, I feel, taking the Micky.

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

The difference is even greater than that because there is cheap electricity available on night time tariffs, for instance I only pay 8.5p kWH for all my charging at home which is about 90% of all my charging. Get as long a range EV as you can afford then even on your long trips most is covered on cheap electric and just use Tesla chargers for the occasional public charging. It will still work out much cheaper than using an ICE.

[@ianrob4760]

well I charged up last night and got paid for it from octopus agile so there is definitely a model a company could take advantage of ...

[@pauld201]

The main difference is that the electricity supplied at these chargers is at a commercial rate and not covered by the price cap domestic users enjoy. It’s also subject to 20% VAT, home energy is 5% so that and the cost of the chargers etc make for an expensive rate. Having said that if you can do the majority of changing at home then you’ll save plenty of fuel.

[@ianrob4760]

@@MrDAVIDATKIN last night put in 20KWH and octopus paid me and if more people get the information ? I had my EV in march and already the savings will have paid for the charger I think by Jan looking at numbers. On an agile tariff not IOG but the benefits are massive. cost me just 70 quid for over 4K miles

[@Fromatic]

@@ianrob4760 whats IOG?

[@kevinhirons9676]

Excellent video Dave. Really informative and unbiased review. Very helpful.

[@kash748]

Plus I regularly use the instavolt hub at Banbury where there are dozens of chargers with the slowest ones currently being upgraded. Another benefit of instavolt is that they are incredibly reliable.

[@stephenbagwell8275]

I used a Tesla Supercharger at Banbury for 39p per kWh with membership that more than paid for itself

[@rayjones9231]

Keep up the good work. I watch all your videos.

[@3002534]

Thank you for your hard work with the information gathering. Please please please, can you add to your information how much each company pre-authorisation holds. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

[@stephenbagwell8275]

Tesla only took £20 & the difference was refunded quickly

[@Danny_EastMids]

Petrol prices are clearly displayed before entering a forecourt. Why can charger providers get away with being much less clear on pricing? at least shown clearly on a web page with just one click or a QR code that takes you straight to the page giving prices.

[@Harrythehun]

Agree with two considerations. QR code's are often used in scams. Big displays are expensive and the charging industry is a money loosing business.

[@hansj5846]

@@Danny_EastMids ChargeFinder has accurate price and payment option info.

[@johnbaker5533]

I'm not a fan of this, it is just a waste of resources and fossil relic. It is should be driven from the car or app. True they need to get better but the future is all inside the car. Really you should be preconditioning before you use a charger not just passing by like you would do for petrol.

[@Brian-om2hh]

The decent apps, such as ZapMap can provide real time pricing information.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Difference in approach, with ICE fuel pumps are the destination with EVs chargers just happen to be at the destitnaion. The idea is that chargers will be univerally every where and used when required, rather that a specific site that advertises itself with _please stop here signs._ This is why the recent CPO regulations requires screens to display the price on each chargjng point than at the site.

[@issiewizzie]

Thanks Dave for enlightening us. Please, please get some rest over the Christmas period😀

[@PeteMulv]

Hello Dave Very good video, did I notice a change in the pace of presentation, much better. I hope you have a merry Christmas.

[@davetakesiton]

Thanks Pete we continuously try different things

[@miketowler322]

At least the backdrops a bit better than the blue tiles in this blog

[@vcg507]

Great video....tons of work to get some great info, thanks Dave.

[@stevejordan4299]

EV Point don't have many chargers, but their 50kW are only 55p / kWh. They are in the location of the old ecotricity chargers that didn't go over to gridserve. A55 in north Wales have a few.

[@stephenbagwell8275]

I got cheap parking & AC charging next to Llandudno station

[@StephenButlerOne]

​@@stephenbagwell8275this is what the future needs. Destination chargers everywhere. We only really need fast chargers on the motorway network.

[@jrewillis]

MFG have been a good experience but pricey. Sainsbury's also putting their own network using kempower chargers. Thanks for video. Useful.

[@michaelluckett9415]

Many thanks for all your informative videos. Have a great Christmas and may 2025 be good to you

[@DanBurgaud]

11:18 I like the light idea on these chargers. 14:10 Parking with canopy/roof will attract ICE cars

[@lewismacdonald1047]

Surprised you don't seem to have mentioned ChargePlace Scotland. Although it's a strange operation - units being owned by a mix of Local Councils, Social Enterprises and business - it does have over 2,900 chargers, albeit on 495 of those are both DC and used (successfully) in the last reported period (Oct 2024) There is BIG news for Scottish EV drivers though, with the CPS network coming to an end at the close of 2025.

[@hugheffo]

As other people have stated, they need to display the price just like petrol stations. What we really need is a card that no matter where you charge, the bill goes back to your home electricity supplier, and you just pay that rate. Currently public chargers are nearly 3 X the price of home charging. And as more and more people are switching to EV's the Government will have to find a way to replace all that lost tax they are not getting because less fuel is being sold.

[@Fromatic]

Would be nice but if you just paid at your home rate how would the charge station operators ever cover the costs or make any profit? I wonder if once EV is the large majority if the government would introduce something where the operators get to buy the electricity at a unit price closer to a normal domestic rate so the operator can lower the price and still make the same profit, but then government also slaps a load of tax onto it so that the people charging still pay about the same as today, but suddenly half of it goes to the government as tax while still allowing the operators to make some profit

[@amazoniaamazonia7225]

With all this competition i would expect the price to be in the 40-50 pence range.

[@hugheffo]

@@Fromatic how do home suppliers make their money. They charge more than they pay for the electricity. Government should also be subsidising EV charging points. Also don't forget the extra revenue that service stations are getting from people buying food and drink while waiting for their car to charge

[@smartmart1958]

I used a Shell Recharge at Aldi in Fleetwood this week zapmap said they were 11 kw but I got 7kh. The car park doesn't have any time restrictions so I used my free bus pass to go to the centre while I put enough power in.

[@rectusmh]

We've used MFG a few times. Faultless but expensive.

[@kennshearer526]

Not sure if you were right about Tesla price assumptions earlier this year I.e. other companies would have to drop their prices to compete. Looking at current Tesla prices in the South West they appear to be going up to meet the competition. Currently running at 50p to 60p a kWh.

[@mauricehorton477]

Anyone on the A5 near Hockliffe, namely Checkley Wood LU7 9LG, AW Energy have a large EV Charging Station with current prices with Octopus Energy Electroverse being 36p kwh. 158kw chargers so only enough time when charging to have a coffee in the on site Starbucks.

[@CW-om2qq]

Intavolt was the closest and cheapest to my location, and decided to take advantage of the 2200-0600 discount. 2 chargers (separated a bit!) in a deserted municipal car park. Only problem was the inherent app problem. Very poor signal by one. It failed to enable charger twice. Moved to 2nd charger which had slightly better signal. It thought for several minutes and then decided to charge. Great! Then, at 22:30, all the lights went out in the car park. Fair enough! How about a proximity sensor by the chargers? The biggest problems for EV charging are the pricing and too many of these wretched apps. If I was travelling on business, given these charging costs and the hassle of the apps, I'd be driving an ICE! (And I really like my EV!)

[@e46teddy]

dont know about other chargers but i hated the £40 pre payment thing you get charged at istavolt

[@ghawdex7]

Wenea preautherisation is £40. Left my account on Thursday 12,12,24 only for a £5 top up and it didn't get returned minus my charge for six days.

[@kash748]

You don't get a pre authorisation charge if you use their app.

[@CW-om2qq]

Lidl can be £85 (or £45 if you use the app).

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

Gridserve is definitely free on Christmas Day. It’s in the T&Cs.

[@StephenButlerOne]

Did you check it out?

[@johndoyle4723]

EV6 owner here, the best charge I have ever got was at a Fastned in Scotland over 200 Kw for a long period, 10 mins is long for this car as it charges very fast, and a canopy, nearby Maccys, but you could be fully charged before you get back to the car. Sadly very few in the UK. Instavolt they are reliable, they just work and they have a few multi charger installations eg Banbury, and that one near Sheffield where the bad guys nick the cables. Ionity good and reliable, Gridserve are at all the service stations and reliable, unlike Ecotricity, who to their credit started the whole motorway chargers but they were unreliable. BP and Shell I avoid, BP because they never used to work, they may be OK now but their history puts me off risking them. Tesla very good but limited for me. I put availability and reliability as top of my list and do not bother too much about price as most charging is at home. Dave, thanks for all your efforts, good luck and have a good Chrimbo, you sound like you have a cold.

[@itsthewestman]

Seconded re FastNed - best charging experience I've had is one up in Scotland too (presume the same one!)

[@darrenryan1843]

Hi Dave, we own a privately own BP site, no help from Bp at the moment regarding EV on site, we have be offered 120 to 150 kw from other companies - would you say this is adequate for a forecourt? ... at the moment to get EV at full speed 350kw a + £300k is needed, no grants available at the moment / and not viable at moment for ourselves ... great channel keep up the good work

[@antoniopalmero4063]

I drove my model 3 long range over 150 miles today across Exmoor, Torrington, Bideford, Barnstaple, Dunster etc. cold , wet , windy , and also lots of hills etc .left home with 79% and got back home with 27%. all of my charging is at home @ 8.5p kWh . Cheap motoring .

[@caolkyle]

Is that a highland 3? I collected a M3 LR, late 2020 with heat pump. Managed Luton > Darlington (about 200 miles) and arrived with 1% charge, was during storm donaugh and was driving 70, with heating to 20’c

[@antoniopalmero4063]

@ mine is 2020 too .

[@caolkyle]

@ we’re you doing city/slower driving I guess then?

[@antoniopalmero4063]

@ no motorway or dual carriageway , mostly winding countryside roads at about 40 - 50 mph

[@caolkyle]

@@antoniopalmero4063 aw fair enough. Still feels weird to get like 50% more range, guess just the increased consumption of driving at 70, with heating during a storm lol

[@a2bmedia]

Locked in for 3 years with a lease, had done my research and yet the reality is pretty terrible so far. In simple terms, my petrol Skoda was approx 12p per mile, abundant petrol stations and 3 mins to fill. Using most chargers in my Volvo EV, 22p per mile if taking things easy, and lots of organising and hanging around making long journeys painful. Charger reliability is shocking outside of Tesla and Ionity. I fear sales of EVs are not being met by charging capacity and reliability which is the source of much stress for me in a 200 mile EV when away from home. And then there's charging loss which is approx 15% for my home charger, imagine 15% of petrol squirting out the hose as you fill up your car!

[@mogsyman]

I have a Taycan and when you buy one you are given a card free of charge that reduces the cost to 30p/kw at most charging stations around Europe (to include superfast chargers). I have no idea if any other manufacturers offer this?

[@kear3922]

Thanks Dave for price updates, I hope some of the Ev electric suppliers are watching this, mind I cant work out why we should have to subscribe and pay a monthly fee just to get cheaper electric, I mean fuel stations dont do this they just try to be the cheapest to attract the custom, I also wish they would put big signs up showing what they charge again like fuel stations.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

The membership approach applies to ICE as well, Allstar etc. Although they work out better in the case of EVs, anything below 60p per kWh for an average efficiency EV and 71p for a long range is cheaper than the average petrol price at £1.36 per litre. The large sign doesn't work for EVs as the refilling model is different. With ICE the fuel pump is the destination, with EVs the charger just happens to be at a destination. Petrol stations use the sign as a _please charge here_ cry, charges display the information on the charger itself (as now mandated by the CPO regulations since last month).

[@kensmith8701]

Because most of the uk use petrol and diesel. With limited public charge use then they need to offer something. Cheaper rates via subscription or hubs like gridserve offer more than just a charge.

[@andypeters9324]

When did the ionity chargers at darwen services get the single card reader? I was there last Friday (20th Dec). I didn't know this, but i just presented my electroverse card at the charging unit i plugged into and got a charge.

[@ianrob4760]

going on a long trtip to germany soon and will get ionity membership as seems cheaper than tesla there and so cheap for intiial 7pcm it is 39 cents per kwh ... we really do get ripped off here

[@GiovanniMazzeo-r1n]

Getting a charge card for charging an EV is the simplest way,I used mine in France, Italy and now back in the UK.I paid extra for charge card discount offer on charging which does pay for it's self.

[@chrispayne523]

Great to see that Gridserve might be free on Christmas day. The trouble is the only ones near me are in a Dobbies and their closed on Christmas Day

[@CW-om2qq]

It's a loss-leader! Gridserve are just trying to encourage drivers to use them.

[@kensmith8701]

Hopefully, they only allow the free charge to customers that have paid the higher rate.

[@bikeman123]

I'm in the process of buying a new car, unfortunately I've now ruled out an ev. Charging on the road seems to be getting worse both the process of charging and the cost. I'll consider it again in 5 years.

[@petrospetrosghali]

Gridserve is a very good option at 79p/kwh??

[@colinharvey1049]

Thanks

[@davetakesiton]

Thanks your support is most welcome, Dave

[@simonoakley5102]

I got lucky when I brought my second hand tesla as it came with free charging for life .I see video otherday sayingvthat they now put price up on new model 3 by 5k as it then covers free charging it didnt look like an option though .

[@MyFuzzyAfterlife]

Osprey via Electroverse (no subscription needed) has Plunge Pricing at the moment between 19:00 and 23:00, at only 54p/kwH. Cheapest rapid charger near me.

[@davidstuart4915]

'only' 54p when they buy it at, what 12p?

[@andypeters9324]

Im unable to charge from home so have to rely on public chargers. My issue with the rapid chargers is the holding fee, which seems to take several days to not be "pending" in my bank account. Im currently having to do an almost 50 mile round trip to visit a realtive in hospital every other day, so having to go up my charge every other day (currently using about 40% range per visit). The only rapid chargers en route are either Osprey or Genie point, and every 2 days I'm having £25 being held, on top of the actual charge cost!

[@StephenButlerOne]

If you have a Tesla station relatively close, not only are they cheap. They take £20 holding , but you get back what you don't use with a minute of unplugging, also if you go over twenty they take that within a minute also. I'm not sure what would happen if you didn't have the extra couple of quid, if you go over. They are either gonna ban you, or just take it the next time you charge. Or maybe both. This it's quite hard for me to go over 20 quid. I have a 60 kW, a 100% would be under £24. I topped up the other day to to 80 from about 20 and it cost me shy of £14. The £6 odd, was back in my account before I got back in the car. I've often thought about the old days when young and I've had to scrape a fiver together for petrol. It's a bit of a scary thing if you go to a charger and it pings £20 out your a account, but fails, do you have to do it again at another charger, this could add up quick if you are unlucky. You may be broke and not have 60 quid sat into your account. And like you said, the have to wait half a week for it back. Hopefully you find a Tesla station closeish. If it's say 10 miles exta away. Just time it so your filling 5% to 100 every time. This will soon save you money, given Tesla sites at off peak are usually sup 40p, the rest are like 70p plus. So you're saving almost 50% on the costs . Defo worth a longer drive to get. Also I've yet to see a broken Tesla charger.

[@andypeters9324]

It's possibly more my bank rather than the charging companies not releasing the holding fee instantly. Last week I had 3 charging "holding fees" showing as Pending with my bank (totalling £115). More bothered about going overdrawn if I was to spend more! It's been about 4/5 days for each fee to be returned! Unfortunately I don't have a Tesla and the nearest one to me is probably at least 15 miles away (no idea where the closest open to all one would be)

[@steveh4534]

Sainsbury’s worked well for me recently but was not cheap but 150kw

[@arthurshenton9984]

do you have any more info of the location of the proposed large installation on M6 in Cheshire? Thanks

[@davetakesiton]

Yes and sorry it was a slip of the tongue it is on the M56 between J7 and J8

[@arthurshenton9984]

@@davetakesiton Yes this is the proposed Tatton Services another Westmoreland project to add to Tebay and Gloucester. Just going through planning.

[@roberthartley6629]

Interesting on the IONITY central card reader. At Perth IONITY everyone I saw trying to use a card failed bad I used my app.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

I've used ionity chargers both in the UK and France with no issues with an Electroverse card and plug-and-charge.

[@roberthartley6629]

@@rugbygirlsdadg I only use the app and never had a problem.

[@MikeDooley-h7w]

On the app you can see the price

[@carlomorischi3435]

Fastened has the Alpitronic chargers, not the crappy ABB that Gridserve has

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

Above 60p kWh is the point where it is currently cheaper to run a petrol or diesel, so to me anything 60p plus is expensive. The best 2 ways to avoid this are Tesla Superchargers in non-peak times and Ionity with a subscription, both are fast and reliable. I'm currently deciding which option to take on the impending family Christmas visit. Tesla used to be cheaper but I've noticed they are creeping up in price of late and have gone above 60p at peak times

[@Un-Apologetic]

If your car can do 50mpg then 40p kWh is the equivalent.

[@hansj5846]

The difference between 60p and 80p is about a tenner on an average charge on a normal EV.... That's nothing to stress about when it's once in a blue moon, can't even get two coffees for that anymore

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

@@Un-Apologetic true but there are not many 400bhp ICE cars that can do 30mpg let alone 40 or 50. So best to compare equivalent cars

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

@@hansj5846 yes if you can charge at home that's fine but not everyone can.

[@Un-Apologetic]

@@MrDAVIDATKIN no one's mentioned hp. The RWD Buzz is 201hp. You wouldn't go on a 1650 mile trip with 400hp.

[@daverobinson1273]

What about electroverse and something on why they are so expensive. I find it hard to justify anything above about 40p pkwh

[@chapmandu2]

PoGo charge have some nice locations with very nice hardware. Price is high though at 79p. I used the one just off J25 of the M1 at the Holiday Inn when I misjudged things and didn't have enough to get to the Annesley Tesla SC.

[@oliver90owner]

How many kWh did you need to get to the Supercharger site?🙂🙂

[@chapmandu2]

@@oliver90owner Not very many but it was easier to just stop once especially since I only needed to get to Doncaster! Had I needed a full charge maybe I'd have just hopped to the SC.

[@At_the_races]

My CLE does 47 miles to the gallon, around town, and far more on a run, also I can easily find a fuel station to fill it up.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Let us know if that's still the same in 5+ years......

[@At_the_races]

@ and how well will your battery be coping in 5+ years?

[@oliver90owner]

⁠​⁠@@At_the_races My comment would be ‘How does that compare to charging (at home for ‘around town’ motoring)? My ‘around town’ motoring costs around 2-3p/mile with no need to go anywhere, to re-fill the electrons.😆

[@At_the_races]

@ 😂😂😂. Is that why you leased it because it’s so cheap and reliable?

[@At_the_races]

@ 😂😂. Do you carry a can of electricity in case you can’t find a charger?

[@ScottPollock-f1x]

Tesla Aviemore up to 90 pence per kWh must be one of the most expensive in the UK.

[@robingriffith5303]

I noticed that the price had increased to an unbelievable rate, when I was there in October. The year before it was about 45p. 🤷‍♂️

[@tonyjones9841]

you should look anrold clark charge network i you pre book a slot it costs 0.55per kw hour which ifind reasonable

[@steveknight878]

It must be hard to calculate what price to charge. The electricity itself is not, I suspect, what costs them the most money. The chargers, installation and ground rent/ownership, plus maintenance, must be what costs money. At South Molton, near where I live, there are a couple of Scottish Power chargers - and I hardly ever see anyone using them. A lot of money invested in them, with very little return, sadly. Would reducing the price help? Possibly - but it would have to be a massive reduction, I suspect, to attract many customers. Most people living around there who have an EV probably charge at home, so would have little need for a public charger there. For visitors (mostly in the summer, of course), it may be more attractive, but there are quite a few chargers around the area. I don't know what all the prices are, but I don't think they are cheap. For me to use them, the price would have to go down to my daytime rate with Octopus - so that is unlikely.

[@ChristianEdwards]

I still like EV Power due to the large number of units they put in. A bit pricey but I get my 8% Electroverse discount and the 150kwh maximum didn't matter to my Corsa anyway.

[@David-bl1bt]

Hey Dave....I have noticed that there are a lot if EV rapids being installed nearby branded "PoGo", you never see.bto mention these, have you not seen these on your travels?

[@davetakesiton]

Yes PoGo is on my radar but from my research most chargers still single and double units up to 100kW. The new ones going in recently are much better but it's still early days.

[@Mister-Gee-9999]

12:30 It will likely be an invoice not a fine initially!

[@tonylewer188]

Unfortunately, according to my local MG garage, MG are refusing to install the update required by some MGs (my 2024 MG5 Trophy for example) to allow them to charge at Tesla open to all chargers. No reason has been provided for this! Anyone have a similar situation or know any details on this please?

[@RuislipResident-v7p]

Yes. Mine a 72 plate LR ZSEV Trophy Connect didn't work. I had an update done at my service and it then worked. If done at service many dealers don't charge for the technicians time. MG don't charge for the update but dealers may charge for the technicians time outside of service time. I used one recently on a return trip (weekend away) to Wells (from Ruislip, West London), the one near Stonehenge. I only needed about 15 minutes on each leg. So we did a halfway way toilet and refreshment stop there. There is a big ASDA petrol station with a metro sized store right next to it. This has toilets, hot food cabinets, coffee machines etc. I initially tested it out to see if the update worked at the place near Stoke on a trip to my folks (in (Stockport) at the end of August. That was easy, I only did a minute. The chargers there take contactless but I used the App as I actually find it easier.

[@tonylewer188]

Thanks Paul. So when did you have that update applied? As I've been trying to get this sorted along with a problem with the Telematics box, since May!

[@RuislipResident-v7p]

It was at the end of August this year.

[@tonylewer188]

Cheers!

[@adinigel]

When i was investigating which car to buy for driving instruction, i was offered a BP Pulse card which would bring the cost down to 40p. I dont know if that works out as i went for a Niro hybrid. Still wondering if i did the right thing!

[@kash748]

@@adinigel you didn't 😀

[@ghawdex7]

Great info as always Dave. POV are you well.Just you sound horse.

[@davidbowie6455]

Price update for Westmorland. Now 69p. 😢

[@stephenbagwell8275]

Be.EV have reduced their rapid charge rate to 60p for members until 3rd January & there’s also 5 chances to win £500. They’ve apparently got 300kW chargers at White City Manchester where the Tesla V3s are still not operational Can you please ask Be.EV about their e-taxi only rapid chargers that I’ve never seen being used? I recently got a free AC charge from them for some reason - I wish I’d left more battery than 14kWh !

[@bobansell6041]

Most Expensive Supercharger? I have used Tesla Public Superchargers to charge my Genesis GV70 because they are reliable and cheap. But, today, I got a shock. I found charging at Portsmouth Supercharger (confusingly located just outside Havant) the price was 80p off peak and 90p peak. This is almost double what I paid last time at this charger. This might be a sign that Tesla will dramatically increase its prices elsewhere.

[@davetakesiton]

I did state that Tesla uses active pricing, they change it on demand and here the demand is far too high. So Tesla simply make it cheaper for people to go elsewhere, Gridserve, even Instavolt. Sorry but while Tesla makes them available to all, it does not guarantee cheaper rates to all. Manchester Trafford Centre up North is similar.

[@K.L.A.S]

I wish the Tesla superchargers near me would allow anyone to charge those prices and fantastic! Very annoying but what can I do. ill just have to stick to my 5kw/h max over night.

[@pauldenney7908]

I think Shell deliberately doesn't fix it's EV chargers so it's petrol and diesel customers see EV owners struggling to charge, further those of thier customers who can do sums look at the price per KWh and think that fossil fuels are cheaper not realising that if you don't use Shell recharge and charge at home lecky is massively cheaper.

[@bordersw1239]

Makes no sense , just conspiracy theory, many of their forecourts are franchises. Huge expense to install, if I ran a forecourt I’d want to cover all bases , petrol, diesel and EV charging.

[@pauldenney7908]

@bordersw1239 Maybe but the oil industry is the most profitable industry in the history of mankind and petrol / diesel sales are falling, bit of a smoking gun.

[@bordersw1239]

@ .They’re hardly struggling, they supply 20% of the gas for our power stations (U.K). They have money to diversify in markets where traditional fuels are falling and will no doubt continue to have massive oil and gas income streams in developing countries where renewables will be a low priority for many years. Hence why it makes no sense for them to risk their entire business reputation on purposely making EV chargers unreliable.

[@brucepibworth9926]

Can you comment on Pod Point please?

[@frogspawn800]

get well soon.

[@tucker9162]

EV (OTM) at wakefield near the M1 is 49p. The one in Doncaster is 65p. I have tried on a few occasions to charge at BP--always failed--never again.

[@johnbaker5533]

The 49p seems to be an introductory rate & probably go to 65p after a month or so.

[@tucker9162]

@@johnbaker5533 You are probably right. The Donny one started at 65p though. It's a double edge sword, we want 39p but that doesn't allow for investment in new chargers. So we are paying a little more for that.

[@johnbaker5533]

@@tucker9162 when the existing sites with open stalls come on Tesla network they were all 65p a few weeks ago. Since then several new ones have opened for those it seems to be an introductory offer.

[@brianwright9983]

Mer are big on isle of wight and Poole and Bournemouth only 50kw and about 80p but nothing else on iow.

[@PJWey]

MER are the network which took over and works with Dorset County Council. Many locations across Dorset. New Kempower chargers ground in at Lodmoor in Weymouth, shame about their price, especially given the government connections, hope they become more affordable at some point.

[@Gazer75]

DC fast charging in the UK is still highway robbery IMO. Most expensive CPO here in Norway now cost roughly 44p/kWh. Tesla drop in offers the best non membership prices. Peak is 4pm-8pm and off peak rates as low as 26p and the average across the country is 28p. Most CPOs are priced at 34-42p/kWh. To be fair the NOK is weak these days. 6 years ago these prices would be roughly 10p higher when converting from NOK to GBP.

[@ians3328]

Fasned autocharge. If you do this then presumably you can't then use a discount RFID card.

[@ckm8829]

Smart Charge?

[@tonyharrison4653]

Genie point are hit and miss,i love stopping at morrisons for their brilliant cafes,if there chargers worked then my stop would be even more amazing.they do need to drop their prices on electric charging and perhaps put more chargers in

[@sausagemcgregory]

MFG ?

[@pcr8918]

Don’t forget Tesla adds VAT to the headline price

[@flaw3dgenius222]

The 3 Tesla sites in Glasgow, Euro Central and Larkhall have went up 3 times in the last 6 months... shame they were really cheap not so long ago. Still by far the easiest to use along with Ionity. Gridserve at 79p is an utter joke!

[@stecollings5038]

Message today Morrisons gone free , don’t know how long for but offer came on this morning 22 dec.

[@jameschapman4824]

Must have been very quick. Just checked at my Morrisons in Warminster and it's showing Genie point as 83p per kWh

[@stecollings5038]

@ looks like an OVO charging offer, it’s says 24 of free charge. They select a network each day and the first 100 chargers are free!

[@christophernunn1536]

Is it just me or do the dinosaur oil companies like Shell & BP provide the most expensive & worst charging experiences anywhere in the UK? I avoid these at all costs just because they're not even trying to embrace EV's

[@tomsalmon5634]

The problem with companies like BP is that their share price is too heavily geared to the oil price. So the share holders will never let them embrace the electric revolution.

[@kash748]

I've always found shell chargers to be be very reliable.

[@christophernunn1536]

@kash748 must just be my luck although I rarely use them

[@kash748]

@christophernunn1536 to be fair,I only use 2 locations where there are shell chargers and both always work when I have to use them.The downside is the high cost and low power...they are emergency chargers if I'm stuck,I would not use them routinely

[@foppo100]

@@tomsalmon5634 They had a privaet meeting last year the big BP share holders.To greedy to give us a small bit of a bonus at Christmas for BP pensioners.They voted against it and billions of profit were made.tom.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

Applegreen's £100 fine for overstaying seems like very poor marketing. One thing to have a nominal "fine" as with Tesla for overstaying, but £100 risk is best avoided, probably by charging elsewhere.

[@trevsmith2268]

So many open to all Tesla chargers now being blocked by people charging cars that have the charge port on the wrong side it’s getting a pain site shows chargers available yet when you arrive they are blocked by numpties blocking two bays to charge 😡😡😡😡

[@kensmith8701]

Complain to Tesla, they obviously see profit in ota. There are still plenty of Tesla only sites.

[@davestarkie9977]

Be.EV are not new i've been using them in Bolton since i got my electric car in 2020 they have other unit types not just Kem Power for example at Markland Street in Bolton. They have useful fast chargers in the multi story car parks around the town centre. Not sure how well priced these are.

[@stevenuttley]

This is really off putting for any prospective owners. Road charging is insanely expensive, up to twice the cost of a petrol car in some cases. I appreciate it's cheaper if you mostly charge at home but if road pricing for EVs becomes a reality they will be just a plaything for the well off.

[@davetakesiton]

Hi Steven, I can't follow your logic. Why blame EVs? Road charging or pay per mile was talked about decades ago before EVs even came on the scene. VED is exactly the same price or cheaper for new EV than new ICE. Home charging at 7p will always be cheap motoring for all.

[@stevenuttley]

@davetakesiton by 'road charging' I am referring to public charging on a journey rather than charging at home. I'm not referring to pay per mile but in my next sentence I say that if road pricing is introduced it will kill EVs because if you do a lot of public charging it is more expensive than petrol already and pay per mile will be on top of that. Pay per mile will likely apply only to EVs initially since ICE vehicles pay fuel duty and VAT. Using a public charger is already more expensive than petrol even though there is no duty or VAT that is my central point. I did acknowledge that it's cheaper if you mostly charge at home.

[@djtaylorutube]

When 69p is considered competitive...

[@davetakesiton]

Over 80% charge at home and only ever pay these silly prices for occasional road trips

[@djtaylorutube]

@davetakesiton That's because the majority of EV owners choose them because they *can* charge at home. Therefore suggesting that offer 80% charge at home is confirmation bias. These prices are the first thing to get called out by people who cannot charge at home and the simple answer is "cheaper to stick with petrol". The UK just sucks up these prices but then the UK is fundamentally broken.

[@Climatetruth]

@@davetakesiton but why have occasional trips! Fill up for less and have more day trips without stopping… why be restricted when you want to enjoy life!

[@djtaylorutube]

@@Climatetruth Few people are doing day out trips that exceed 200 miles round trip. Don't get caught out thinking that we're all just going to the shops, being "controlled"by some imaginary entity. 😉 My 200 miles round trip yesterday cost me MINUS 40p. Not sure how petrol or diesel is going to get cheaper than that?

[@Climatetruth]

@ And how does that work? =40p and what about doing an extra route or different way home… will you get home! Will you need to charge again… thats my point! Restricted driving with no extra routes that could be explored on the way! You cant sell this to me and others with some kind of story that suits an EV… life isnt that simple bu it could be driving an real car…

[@michaelketley1252]

I’ll stick with Tesla chargers as much as I can….

[@Patchow]

It’s so annoying Tesla chargers are open to all the bums driving crap EVs 😢 they have charging ports the wrong side and mess up the availability stats when en route .

[@clacton17]

The EV charging should be regulated, I can see it's going to the Wild West out there.

[@tomaszlew3626]

No, don't ask for any but safety regulations. When politicians put their hands on it we will cry for anything below 80ppkwh

[@simonoakley5102]

Makes me laugh all we hear is solar panel , wind farms ect ect a cheaper way to get electric .. yet prices still go upwards..so guessing they just likeing a bigger profit margin .

[@Brian-om2hh]

And since when has petrol stayed at the same price for long?

[@simonoakley5102]

@Brian-om2hh tske the tax away be 3 times cheaper

[@michaelgodbold6247]

Its there own silly fault for having a stupidmilk fioat.

[@davetakesiton]

OMG is this really the best you can think up? I feel so sorry for you

[@Brian-om2hh]

The word is *their* - which implies ownership of something, not *there* - which is is a place on a map.

[@stevecoinitin7521]

OH DEAR! Just been researching the effect of Wooden pellets and their use in UK energy production. So it's common knowledge that buying carbon credits is a way to make you look good, whilst pushing the carbon problem elsewhere around the world. The production of Wooden pellets is bad, as it destroys forests that take hundreds of years to replace. Sourcing alone from the forest isn't clean as it uses oil and diesel to do so. The material is shipped (lots of pollution) from mostly the US (66%), some from the Canada, Latvia and a bit from Portugal. Drax is the main user in their power station, using 82% Wooden pellets, wind, gas, hydro and a tiny bit of coal. It contributes about 6% of all energy into the grid. UK taxpayers pay £600 million a year to Drax for their 'service'! So about 5% of all energy is made up of Drax Wooden pellet burning. Other power stations also use a very high % of Wooden pellets to produce the bulk of their energy into the grid! Unfortunately, Bios mass Wooden pellets burn dirtier than coal itself and have a worse carbon footprint! Being that the UK is around 41% in using renewables. Bios mass pellets clearly do not work and are worse than coal, so I'll take that figure down to a realistic 35%, which is a bit higher than Fossil fuels at 30%! It might as well be said, effectively the UK uses 65% Fossil fuels to produce energy! I shall be using a new term I heard, RCV's instead of EV's....Remote Combustion Vehicles! I don't blame RCV owners, they have been clearly hoodwinked by the shills they listen to and the Governments past and present! It's hard to think who started all this rubbish, getting all fluffy about things, clutching a straws in the dark, in the belief they were going to make the world greener? Probably inside the EU, some little think tanks with genuine beliefs for the good, but it's like most things, in order to power something, it's not going to be a clean thing! Even Solar and Wind are not clean when you look at creating and the end of life of these 2. And unfortunately, in everyday energy use, we have all been hoodwinked!

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Oh dear, Drax only makes up 4% of UK electricity production and it's not seen as green or renewable. In terms of total energy it's remarkable really that in few short years we've gone from nearly 100% fossil-fuel generation to 65%, progress is happening fast

[@foppo100]

Nuclear power station which should have been build years ago.The French got that right and we hobble behind as ususal.

[@telwood15]

I will stick to my no fuss old hybrid.

[@RuislipResident-v7p]

I will continue with my no fuss BEV.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

If the naysayers are correct, most of the EVs on the road are company cars and so unless the companies issue their own network specific charging cards, those drivers are not price sensitive.... 🤔

[@MikeDooley-h7w]

Buy a Tesla

[@Brian-om2hh]

No thanks. Not if they're all like the new Model 3 I looked at pre-pandemic. Awful build quality and finish.

[@jamie-hb8gy]

just as cheap to drive a diesel unless you have home charging,Unreal😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@paultwigg3399]

Wrong. Round trip from Newcastle to Slough cost £85 in my diesel RAV4. Same journey in my Volvo EX30 cost £50. Unreal. 😂🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jamie-hb8gy]

@@paultwigg3399 rubbish!!!Even if its true saving £35 doesn't scratch the surface of the depreciation for your throw away.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Really? Does your diesel cost around 2p per mile to run?

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@jamie-hb8gy If you lease, then depreciation isn't really a concern. I don't know of any EV's which have been thrown away. Where are the EV's you saw being thrown away?

[@paultwigg3399]

@@jamie-hb8gy who are you to say what I paid? My receipts don’t lie. Remember, I’ve driven ICE for 35 years, so I know what I’m talking about and can OBJECTIVELY compare. What’s your EV experience? Depreciation is the same on any car.

[@the_none_believer]

Charging costs only going one way with this governments insane energy policy. Energy cap increasing January so electric prices up. Wait until we are all reliant on electricity for power. You're definitely going to have variable pricing depending on the time of day, and also throttled back to keep the lights on in the country.May even find they are sucking power out of your vehicle just to keep hospitals fed with power especially when the wind stops blowing again. You wont know what you're going to pay at times until you plug it in then you'll get a shock, or a happy surprise if the windmills are turning.

[@SimonHo-b2g]

Energy cap only affects domestic homes, not commercial businesses.

[@paulweston1106]

@@SimonHo-b2g If domestic energy prices go up then it seems reasonable to assume that commercial prices will as well. I know we are planning for price increases for gas, electric and water in the coming year where I work. Commerical prices do fluctuate more frequently depending on how you buy but it isn't likely to end up being vastly cheaper than domestic.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Nobody can "suck" energy out of your EV unless you have signed up to a V2G contract, and have agreed the maximum the system can take from your car - which you can override at anytime. You clearly have no idea how V2G works. A typical V2G system is intelligent, and "learns" your typical daily usage pattern, thus always leaving enough charge in your car for your usual daily requirements, although you can set your own limit at anytime. Some EV owners in Norway earn the equivalent of around £30 per week, selling energy from their cars back to the grid. They get paid more for the energy taken from their cars than it cost to charge in the first place, thus earning some income. Plus your EV has to be V2G/V2L compatible. You can't "suck" energy from an EV that isn't.

[@rosewell8005]

Ionity don't provide Chademo connectors and for that reason they are both awful and terrible and should be boycotted even if you have CCS

[@Un-Apologetic]

69p at even 3 miles per kWh is 23p per mile. Most EVs won't average 3 miles per kWh over a year. 79p is 26p per mile. The cost would have to be 35p per kWh at 3 miles per kWh to compete with a 50mpg diesel. EVs The future my arse .......

[@davetakesiton]

Crazy process indeed that’s why over 80% charge at home for 6p. Only ever use public chargers for one or two road trips a year

[@crm114.]

When will you get it into your head that the vast majority of EV drivers will be charging at home for around 7p per kWh most of the time. Those that can’t certainly won’t be paying 69p per kWh for the majority of their charging. Time to wake up to the fact that EVs are the future.

[@Un-Apologetic]

@@crm114. I charge at home with Intelligent Go for 7p per kWh. However when my range runs out it carries on with petrol. I have the best of both worlds. 7p per kWh and 48 mpg. BEV vans are dead in the water. BEV cars won't get to more than around 10% of the cars on UK roads. The 2035 deadline will either be scrapped or most European car manufacturers will go bust.

[@Un-Apologetic]

@@crm114. P.S. Its currently 3.9% of the 34 million cars on UK roads. EV vans make up 1.5% of all vans on UK roads, with 1.5% all regretting buying an electric van.

[@crm114.]

@@Un-ApologeticThe cheaper EVs are only beginning to arrive. Battery technology is advancing at breakneck speed with single crystal electrodes (batteries good for 5 million miles) and higher charge density with solid-state and semi solid-state batteries (real world ranges >500 miles). The ICE won’t survive thise advancements.