Inside a Christian Denomination that Ordains Female Pastors

[@luvbug6t9]

Ruslan, please do more of this type of video! The deep-dive into churches/denominations is so consumable- way better than a single interview or podcast discussion when it comes to breaking down different beliefs.

[@oreosessions3288]

agreed this is great with Alan Parr's series he just did. This is great content.

[@peterfox7663]

Matt Whitman / Ten Minute Bible Hour has an extensive library of visitation videos

[@luvbug6t9]

@ thanks!

[@markwildt5728]

It's amazing how Christians will ignore dozens of verses that give explicit instructions, yet create an entire doctrine and/or dogma based around a loose interpretation of a single verse taken wildly out of context.

[@leannewheeler5351]

I know. I thought the same, especially when they started on baptism.

[@austinpissey8789]

That's all of protestantism summarized.

[@ACGBLR]

Catholics do that as well.

[@Bradawick]

@@austinpissey8789 Thats a wide net to cast friend.

[@austinpissey8789]

@Bradawick if it wasn't the truth, there wouldn't be 10 mainline protestant branches with another 30 sub churches under them with another spattering of sub churches from those sub churches. It's kind of hard to stay unified when the main tenant of every protestant branch is just "interpret it for yourself".

[@chiaraubertino8156]

Loving these "in the field" segments, as well as interviewing Catholics and Orthodox. I'm a Catholic fan of this channel :)

[@janelleg597]

Heyo

[@drdanielto]

Didn’t know anything about this denomination - thank you for sharing this❤

[@RevDavidReyes]

I pastored a Wesleyan church, as an AG Credentialed pastor. They welcomed and loved us instantly. Very nice people. Some differences here and there but nothing major.

[@saulovalenzuela3687]

@RuslanKD good job with this interview. Very insightful video. Hope we see more of this format.

[@staceystitches]

I’m a Nazarene which is Wesleyan. We have always ordained women. However, we have very few women who are lead pastors or superintendents. My sister is the preteens pastor at our church. I always knew she would be a pastor. She used to baptize me all the time in the swimming pool when we were kids lol. I remember when she was called to the ministry when she was 16 years old after coming home from a mission trip in Ecuador. This was a great video @Ruslan! I loved how you cut back and forth between the tour and going over theology.

[@shreder653]

Naz YP here and don't forget one of our GS's is a Woman. But I agree we don't have many women in high up leadership.

[@YeshuaSaves3]

If it’s your calling from God it would not contradict The Scriptures which is Gods word. I understand a woman’s desire to do something for God but if you are looking to Honor God and Love Him you will keep His commandments. There are tons of ways a woman is called to be a part of a church but being a lead pastor is not one of them, that is a role for the men of The Church because God created us for leading and teaching in this capacity.

[@eldormido8a]

Great content on this segment. Props to the production team, great questions and awesome insight. Come visit Alaska and get your mind blown with the amount of churches and denominations! God Bless🙏🏽💯

[@StorytellinJordan]

I believe every church denomination that affirms lgbt is a church denomination that allows woman elders. Changing the gospel or God’s word a little opens the door to changing God’s word a lot. **Note: I keep getting random replies just for clarification I’m saying all who affirm lgbt happen to be churches who affirm women pastors, I didn’t mean all who affirm women pastors affirm lgbt. To further elaborate, I do not believe there is a single lgbt affirming denomination that has all male elders **

[@amalgamated333]

Church of the Nazarene does not affirm LGBT and we ordain women pastors.

[@StorytellinJordan]

@@amalgamated333 that isn’t what I meant. I’m saying all who affirm lgbt happen to be churches who affirm women pastors, I didn’t mean all who affirm women pastors affirm lgbt.

[@john318john]

​@@amalgamated333 What scripture passages inform your church's decision to ordain women pastors? Thanks

[@john318john]

Rusland says it's not the hill he would die on and capitulating to this pastor justifying ordaining women as pastors and elders. I'm surprised that Rusland doesn't know or remember 1Timothy 3:1-8 or the passage in the book of Titus.

[@Wimplo86]

But not every church that ordains women pastors affirms lgbt

[@carrieokie62]

Love these interviews! Great questions!!

[@latrinafruit303]

I absolutely love this video. This was very informative.

[@ConvincedofChristianity]

Ruslan, thank you for this video. This topic needs to be addressed

[@TheDukeofhazzard86]

To answer the question about a female worship leader doing a teaching moment in a worship service. A woman can testify about how God has worked in her life, call others to worship the Lord corporately, pray for the congregation, and read scripture out loud. Where I would draw the line is if a female worship leader starts expositing what the scripture says.

[@rtx-kk2xq]

Truth!

[@Raylight2024]

There's no such thing in God's economy as a "worship leader", either male or female.

[@MrMann-gt1eh]

Know what I’m fine with?… “The women are to keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14‬:‭34‬ ‭ I’m fine with following scripture. The Bible is good enough for me.

[@TheDukeofhazzard86]

@ In the title block of many of the Psalms there is mention of a Choir Master, or Music Leader.

[@JamesGrainger-i7c]

so you are fine with a woman talking about a situation or to tell a story, but you don't want to hear what she thinks or learn from her.....got it!

[@christinamedrano5006]

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[@aisaacp]

"The first people he went to after the resurrection was women" is such a weak argument. No one believes women aren't allowed to share their faith. There is a difference in sharing about Jesus and authoritatively leading a congregation as a pastor.

[@MisertheWizer]

@@aisaacp doug wilson lays it out perfectly

[@showtime1235]

100%

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Deborah a prophet must be a joke to you all. Pual calls prophets and apostles a greater authority than biships... Even says that if it was between being a biship or a deacon. Basically ministry And being a prophet We should wish to prophecy 😅 Junia a apostle And pheobe a deacon. Must be a complete joke to u all

[@arkikali5632]

@@r.a.panimefan2109 Again, a prophet and / or apostle is not leading a church. Your argument is a strawman.

[@drewhunter2572]

Yes, but there was no pastor label in the Bible, so Paul, the apostle, was not a pastor. The same thing applies to Mary; she's an apostle, not a pastor. Yet Jesus let a woman tell people about it first, who, additionally, in the context of that day, women were not allowed to do a lot. Maybe there's some more research in the bible that needs to happen which I am continuing to learn. I am also open to the Complementarian view but there is too much evidence that the Egalitarian view is pretty valid if you look at scripture even when you look at church history.

[@alexsnyder2741]

15:50 this is a false binary. Christ can be the head of the church while also only men should be elders. I guess using that pastor’s logic then you could say that Christ says the church is the bride so we should only have women in it. This logic has errors with no response to very clear verses on women in leadership that was literally written to a church by Paul.

[@signposts6189]

You're right about his iffy logic. In any case, this isn't a church. Rather it is a social club. No true church under any circumstances should ever have so-called "women pastors."

[@arkikali5632]

Woman here. That said--I can't get on board with women pastors. The Bible is very specific about women's roles in the church (teaching other women, children, etc.) and they do not include leading a church. I also appreciate that for the most part they do seem to follow the Word. And that said, grace alone, faith alone, so love to brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Lol no it's not misinterpreted pual makes it seem. But I bet you didn't know is Pual lists off a women deacon And a woman apostle Junia and phoebe The problem is most churches cherry pick. There are two verses. Corinthians (Pual is quoting Corinthians not teaching women to be silent.) Timothy Now the issue To take this as a command against women teaching or holding authority would greatly contradict scripture To a absolutely insane degree. Remember pual knew the torah inside and out. Who's in the torah. DEBORAH(Deborah was a prophet and a judge.) She had more authority than the high priest. Essentially she was wielding the authority of a king. By God's ordainment. And she's not the only female prophet. NOW ACCORDING TO PUAL PROPHETS AND APOSTLES HAVE MORE AUTHORITY THAN TEACHERS AND ELDER(I.E. DEACON AND BISHIPS.) SO YOUR TELLI G ME YOU BELIEVE THAT A WOMEN CANT HOLD AUTHORITY OVER A MAN THEREFORE NO BISHIP OR DEACON. BUT THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES HOLD MORE POWER AND BOTH CONTAIN WOMEN IN THERE NUMBER YOUR FREE TO BE A BEREAN AND CHECK THIS. BUT THE FACT PUAL COMMENDS FEMALE DEACONS AND APOSTLES. THE FACT THAT HE SAID PROPHETS AND APOSTLES ARE A GREATER SPIRITUAL GIFT. GREATER THAN BISHIPS AND DEACON. THE FACT WE HAVE A MUCH GREATER SCRIPTURAL WITNESS TO THE VERY FACT. OR U SO CERTAIN THAT YOU ARE CORRECTLY INTERPRET THESE ANTI WOMEN CLOBBER VERSES. SO 2 VERSES VS DOZENS FROM PUAL/JESUS/AND SCRIPTURES YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK THE WITNESS OF THE SCRIPTURE

[@arkikali5632]

I'm assuming you mean Paul, not Pual. But to the point, prophets and apostles are NOT pastors. The Bible is pretty clear about women pastors / elders / deacons though. To whit: Titus 1:6 on the qualifications of elders (pastors): ...if anyone is above reproach, the HUSBAND of one wife and HIS children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. HE must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. HE must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that HE may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. 1 Timothy 3: 1- 13 says pretty much the same thing. That's a whole lot about men and not a bit about women. And that's only one place where it says men should be leaders of the church. Note: The Bible does say women can have roles in the church, but we aren't supposed to be over / leading men. If you believe the Bible, that it is the inerrant Word of God, then that's what you go by. As for the Old Testament, how does that apply? We're talking about the founding of New Testament churches, so the OT doesn't really have anything to do with it, and I never said anything about women not being prophets or apostles, so not sure where you got that from. Also, your post would be a lot easier to understand without the all caps.

[@Szpak-123]

@@arkikali5632 Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my free scripturally-based essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. ...the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. Full read time: 10 minutes postable here

[@showtime1235]

can’t imagine why the Church is in decline in the west when you see things like this my country of Croatia keeps tradition

[@SeanWinters]

You country of Croatia can't even keep Croatians, they keep leaving the first chance they get.

[@showtime1235]

@ if that was true it would suck but we have a positive migration rate more ppl are moving here than leaving we also have a stable Christian population 80% christian maybe more should adopt our style haha

[@jadastricker569]

I think “I don’t feel comfortable” or for me “it’s just not ok for a women to teach over a man is definitely not a good argument to not allow women to be ordained . It seems as though there may be some added study of scripture ;) what about a women that has dedicated her life to understanding the scripture is versed in Hebrew Greek and other language that helps the interpretation as Scripture. Here are some thoughts. Examples of Women in Leadership: 1. Deborah: A prophet and judge over Israel, Deborah provided spiritual and civil leadership, including leading men into battle (Judges 4-5). 2. Priscilla: Alongside her husband Aquila, Priscilla taught Apollos, an eloquent preacher, about the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26). The fact that her name is often listed first suggests she played a significant teaching role. 3. Junia: In Romans 16:7, Paul describes Junia as “outstanding among the apostles.” Most scholars agree she was a woman and held a prominent leadership role in the early church. 4. Phoebe: A deacon of the church in Cenchreae, Phoebe was commended by Paul for her service and entrusted to deliver his letter to the Romans (Rom 16:1-2). 5. Mary Magdalene: After Jesus’ resurrection, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene and instructed her to tell the disciples of His rising, entrusting her with the first proclamation of the Gospel (John 20:17; Matt 28:10). Context of 1 Timothy 2:12: Paul’s instruction in 1 Timothy 2:12, “I do not permit a woman to teach or assume authority over a man; she must be quiet,” must be understood in its cultural and situational context: 1. False Teaching in Ephesus: The church in Ephesus, where Timothy was pastoring, was plagued by false teaching (1 Tim 1:3-7). Many scholars suggest women, who were often uneducated in this context, were more susceptible to being misled and spreading false teachings. 2. Cultural Setting: Ephesus was a center of worship for Artemis, a goddess whose cult emphasized female dominance. Some scholars argue Paul’s instructions aimed to correct an unbiblical cultural influence, not to establish a universal prohibition. 3. Temporary Instruction: The language in 1 Timothy 2:12 reflects a temporary directive (“I do not permit”) rather than an eternal command. Paul’s broader teachings and examples of women in leadership elsewhere (e.g., Priscilla, Phoebe, Junia) suggest he did not universally forbid women from teaching or leading.

[@channtastic]

Women should not have authority over men, if there is a man that could reasonably lead. Women pastors cannot reasonably connect with men and actively come from a perspective of hating a manly culture. It’s quite simple that women can be teachers within the church but should not sit at the head of the church. They should learn their place and where they should be serving.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

He didn’t universally ban women from teaching. And neither do we. They can still teach women and children.

[@roger_villanueva]

@@TheSignofJonah777 The problem with this view, (allowing women to teach other women and children) is that the verses cited literally say that Paul says he "does not permit women to teach OR to exercise authority over men". It does not say to teach AND exercise authority over men. Those statements are different. So either you take the text plainly and not allow women to teach or speak in any capacity or you allow context to dictate your stance. You can't just go half way. Can women teach or not? Can women lead or not? It is clear that women led and taught to some extent as noted in scripture. So obviously Paul was speaking about a particular situation where with the culture of that area it would be wise to uphold normal cultural barriers for the effectiveness of the gospel message and growth of the church. Same reason God seems to allow other things that go against his heart and desire. Women as far as we can tell played a pivotal role in the church and there are many examples. Culture sometimes determines at times who is most effective to lead a group of people because of the likely acceptance or non acceptance. It seems this will likely be the case for women in different cultures and nations around the world. Lastly, we can see the heart of God to use women in a very vital important moments for the telling of the gospel as He goes against the norms and culture of the time.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@ how do you move the goalpost from men meaning all people including men women and children?

[@signposts6189]

@jadastricker569 1. Deborah didn't lead any men into battle in Judges 4-5. Barak led Israel's troops into battle. Deborah simply accompanied them at Barak's request. 2. Priscilla didn't necessarily teach Apollos. Priscilla and Aquila simply took Apollos _"aside and explained the way of God more accurately."_ (Acts 18:26). Aquila more than likely spoke to Apollos man to man with his wife simply nodding in agreement in this private conversation. Besides, the Synagogues at the time didn't allow women to teach as any kind of Rabbis, where at this time, many Christians were meeting in Jerusalem. 3. Junia, if a woman, unlikely held any pastoral and teaching position over a church. Romans 16:7 doesn't even say that she did. 4. Phoebe, in her capacity as a deacon, functioned as a leader of other Christian women like Paul delineates of who leads and teaches whom to Titus in Titus 2:1-8. 5. Mary Magdalene being instructed by Christ to tell of His resurrection was neither a pastoral nor teaching mandate. It was simply an instruction to inform the disciples to prep for a face to face meeting with the resurrected Jesus in Galilee. You allege that 1 Timothy 2:12 reflects a temporary directive using Paul’s preface "I do not permit." There's nothing temporary about this directive because of what precedes it in verse 11: 👇👇👇 _"Women should learn quietly and submissively."_ Paul is expressing something that contextually is an obligatory, suitable, or expedient thing for women to do. It is culturally transcendent beyond the first century due to the fact that Paul connects the directive to the father and mother of all humans, cultures, and civilizations, Adam and Eve.

[@kygmc9885]

This was a good listen.

[@aerogers4117]

This is an awesome fellowship. Everything but the women pastors seems pretty similar to my Baptist upbringing.

[@sometimesismile]

Love what you’re doing here Ruslan

[@mrbr6892]

9:05 - 9:30 Paraphrase Brandon: “Others out here going rogue liberal” Ruslan: Any liberal progressive movements in Weslyen/ Methodist Church? Brandon: No 14:54 We ordain women. Sir… FYI I grew up in a Weslyen church as well

[@ExploreAroundUsOfficial]

We don’t view women in ministry as a progressive view

[@jaredmatthews1561]

The vast majority of Anglican churches also allow for the ordination of Women. Many scholars take the view that women's ordination is completely compatible with the new testament.

[@WillE454]

My friend invited me to attend his Methodist church one Sunday. I’m a Catholic and have no interest in becoming a Protestant but I enjoy learning about other denominations so I agreed to attend. The lead pastor of the church was a female. She was well respected in the church and within the town’s community. I may not agree with all of that denominations views but I appreciated how welcoming they were to a visitor.

[@JamesHowardFilms]

All of the letters to the churches were written for specific situations. You can’t pick and choose what applies universally and what doesn’t.

[@davidpo5517]

That's not true, at least one epistle outright states, "hey, after you read this, share it with the other churches in the region near you." They were written to all Christians, but with specific circumstances in mind as examples of the universal truths being taught.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@davidpo5517so how could this not be a universal truth “Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬, ‭12

[@davidpo5517]

@ what are you talking about

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@davidpo5517 how could those verses not be universal

[@JamesHowardFilms]

@ did you watch the video??

[@cameroonbreezygoat903]

It’s almost scary to see how accurate the Bible is regarding behaviors. In this case it’s almost identical with how Eve was deceived. “Is that really what God said”. Even tho the Bible warned hundreds of times about this it still ends up happening

[@Shane_The_Confessor]

Well said.

[@Wimplo86]

Great video! Gee, I wonder what the comment section will be most argumentative about 🤔

[@davidbelzer]

Attend this church with a girlfriend from 2021 till mid 2022. After me and her parted ways I went back to the methodist church I grew up in but because of the decision of the methodist I am now going to Faith Wesley a smaller Wesley church in Willimsport and I really enjoy it.

[@jacobscott2830]

John Wesley himself supported women preaching but not women pastors.

[@jenniferwalsh1731]

There is a big difference! Great comment!

[@john318john]

@@jacobscott2830 And John Wesley was wrong. The Apostles our Lord appointed are the ones that have credibility not Wesley who came 1500 yrs later. The scriptures in its original text are infallible, Inherent and sufficient.

[@GreaterThanWealth]

@@john318john there were female apostles in the 120 baptized in the upper room. so the holy spirit can confirm one to preach and lead not You.

[@john318john]

@@GreaterThanWealth There were 12 Apostles appointed by Christ during his earthly ministry. You and I are not Apostles and neither were the other believers in the upper room, you can find ways to justify your rebelliousness against God and his word. You are very ignorant of the scriptures to think everyone in the upper room were Apostles.

[@yorleny_dv1787]

@@john318johndo you believe in apostolic succession?

[@jeremiahdomer4657]

Guess I’m Weslian and didn’t know it. This is how our church is ran down to the letter and we are just a non denominational church.

[@timothyhunter5596]

These type of videos are your best!

[@23dannyo]

All these Men like John Wesley break off from the pope and Christs Church and become their own popes.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

My pope is Jesus Christ solely

[@iamRayRoper]

Woman have a very strong role in the church. That being said, they shouldn't be lead pastors

[@elKarlo]

Ever wonder about all weird innovations Protestantism has born. It is not good to just make up things because you feel that way. Ever wonder why basically all heresies such as J Witness, Mormon, Oneness ALL come out of Protestantism? Well, here is why.

[@janelleg597]

Not accurate but it sure makes you feel superior doesn't it 😂

[@elKarlo]

@@janelleg597 How is this not accurate? Where did the Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, Christian Science and Oneness come from? Tell me some heresies that have come out of Orthodoxy and Catholicism in the last 500 years.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@elKarloCatholics have a whole split where they have demon manifestation. But I don’t think it’s the Catholics fault for that. Joseph smith wasn’t even a Christian. He just happened to pick some people up during one of the great awakenings

[@LifeInChrist-k9s]

One thing I have spotted is that egalitarians argue the way homosexual apologists argue .

[@henrykevincueto9307]

Yes this is good, keep showing different denominations

[@jacquezghardy]

Women can not lead over men. But they can lead under them. There were women deaconess’ in the New Testament, along with examples of Priscilla and Aquila. Two women who corrected and taught a male believer.

[@Wurldly]

Read the letters of Paul to Timothy again.

[@jacquezghardy]

@ 1 Timothy 2:12 -I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to remain in quietness and keep silence [in religious assemblies. The word used for over in the Greek means above. So they are saying they don’t believe they should teach or have authority above men. They have to answer to a male. So they can not be the head of a church. But they can sing, preach, be deaconess’s and teach. Also it’s important to note that Paul was making a recommendation. Just like he recommends that men shave their heads bald and don’t ever shave their beard. It’s not a command.

[@Wurldly]

@@jacquezghardy if that’s the way you see the letters of Paul, which were to shape the church, then you don’t want a Christian church based on the Bible. You want to be part of a church that isn’t backed by the Bible. Good luck with that.

[@jacquezghardy]

@ I don’t believe in luck but May God bless you.

[@cameroonbreezygoat903]

@@jacquezghardy love how you left out the part right after that that says it’s because the woman was deceived first and not the man and she should learn in silence. The devil really has a tight grip in the west

[@davidcarlson757]

Do the Seventh Day Adventist church!

[@Heavy-Sauce]

I (25M) sort of unknowingly started attending a Wesleyan church. I’ve been going weekly now for almost two years I think, maybe more or less I have no idea how long it’s been honestly. I personally had only heard of Wesleyan colleges, not sure if they’re even associated with the church. All I can say is that I have 100% encountered and have been guided by the Holy Spirit since attending.

[@alexholt2387]

Very cool brother interesting to hear their view, Leaning on tradition obviously. Their female pastoral view was quite week . God bless 🙏

[@zealot7779]

Great video

[@sethplace]

The split was not just about the one issue. Just the tip of the iceberg.

[@offtheindex]

my fav series

[@peterfox7663]

55:29 That sounds like an unnecessary accommodation to the OSAS folks. If you walk away from God, you do indeed lose your salvation.

[@cwcw402]

A truly saved Christian will never ever walk away from God all the way they might go through awful down parts of their life but they will NEVER totally abandon the faith, if they do they HAVE never been truly saved hence the scripture Philippians 1:6, which states "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

[@perazdera2827]

You can walk away all you want..He will never walk away from anyone. 100/100 .. You don´t think Jesus went on the cross for some in vein? Rom 3: 3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Rom 3: 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. OSAS folks? One more self righteous. Who do you think are poor in Spirit? You are blinded by gospel of condemnation. Get to know God. Scripture say,God is LOVE. And Guess what,it ends with a period,not with BUT.

[@danielkim672]

The interview was good Ruslan and it was amazing to watch. Amazing in the sense that this guy in many ways seem very grounded in Scripture, yet in a few key areas, he just bypasses Scripture to create his illusion of Godly theology. It was good to see you press him on the women elder and planting churches part. Hearing him say they ordain young women in their 20s was eye opening. I wished you brought up 1 Timothy 3:1-7. How would this pastor answer that in verse 2, a Biblical Elder is a 'husband of one wife'? I would be curious to hear the preztel logic he must do to get around that clear teaching. 1 Timothy clearly teaches not all men are fit to be elders either. These are the Words of God for a reason. His iron fist rule of tithing is very interesting, especially those that work at the church. There is zero teaching in the NT about tithing to the church and creating equivalence with the Old Testament is conflating two separate things. We should certainly give to the God, but it is never described as a tithe in the NT like how things were set up in the OT. We should give to our church family, yes directly to the church, directly to people, directly to the poor. How God will lead us in that. He is not as wild as some pastors out there, but this guy is checking members donations on a weekly. Wow. And finally, his view that a true believing Christian, someone born again, with GOD the Spirit living in them, can kick God out and leave the faith and eternal life. Wowowow. I also wish you read him that verse in Hebrews. If that verse is saying that people can fall away, then that means the person can NEVER be saved. So is that this pastors belief? Oh, they left the church, they are done for, cant be saved again. That is not the Scripture. Ephesians 1:13-14, the same Spirit of God that lives in us believers, that Spirit SEALS us until the day of redemption. we have an INHERITANCE. That is God's Promise. How could a human walk away from a promise of God. If we could walk away, God is a liar and that inheritance is not really an inheritance. make it make sense.

[@Szpak-123]

you wrote: ... a Biblical Elder is a 'husband of one wife'? I would be curious to hear the preztel logic he must do to get around that clear teaching. Easy, Judges 4 and 5, else my free essay on Deborah. Paul was heavily influenced by the culture of his day. The Judge over Israel was the primary pastor/shepherd at that time period, as written. To say that a woman in our time can't be an elder in the smallest church makes no sense. Nor can Eve's sin be used in the debate, since Deborah lived after Eve.

[@danielkim672]

@@Szpak-123 So you believe Paul was heavily influenced by culture of the day? Was God influenced by the culture of the day? Whose Words is it really in Scripture? I am curious how you define the Words of God? Deborah was a great great Godly woman. However, can you find me the Scripture where there is a church in the Old Testament? The teaching in the New Testament is for the Church, the Bride of Christ. Unlike the Old Testament, Christians that believe in God have a direct relationship with God, the veil of separation between sinful humans and God have been torn. Our relationship restored. We do not need a priest, prophet or judge to be are mediator as we have JESUS CHRIST. Through Jesus Christ, we are also like priests in the kingdom that our Messiah ushered in in Acts. It is in this Kingdom, the earthly Church has been established and these are the instructions given. To say? I am not saying it, the Words of God is saying it. So are you saying God was influenced by Culture and did not say those words in First Timothy? Or are you saying God said something and Paul then changed it due to culture influence? I am sure you have a great essay on Deborah. You should also take a look at Mike Wingers videos on women in ministry if you have not already.

[@BarsAndBeatsEntertainment]

i wonder if theres some southern baptist that came across this video and was like "dont let em persuade ya brother" LOL! This fireeee, love this investigation type content

[@2010gargoyle]

Regeneration Nashville ordaines women Pastors. The senior pastor Kent Christmas wife Candy is a Pastor. Their daughter Jasmine is Pastor of Worship. I call them Sister as I was raised in the Assembly of God. Pastor Kent considers his church as Apostolic Pentecostal.

[@RCoffeyjr]

Imagine what the world would look like if all Christians believed in the presence of God, holiness and sanctification like John Wesley? I thank God for Wesley. He was a remarkable man. I recommend reading some of his work and testimony.

[@jadastricker569]

Amen good word!

[@A_L_E_X_74]

I love the thumbnail! 😂 Ruslan making it look like he’s some undercover spy and this is the scariest thing he’s ever seen

[@evasccl7846]

Rusland's on a goofyness spree this year!! 😂

[@19nineteenthirteen19]

How could he be so fartless?

[@AntXUnofficial]

5:50 - 6:22 how do you guys not see this pattern?? It’s ridiculous at this point. The next reason to start a new denomination is over how many hairs Jesus had on his body.

[@loveKa95]

3:34 of the video reminds me of 1st Corinthians 1:12 “for one says, I am of Paul, or I am Apollos or I’m of Cephas, and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or are we baptized in the name of Paul?” Let’s be of one accord and follow Christ.

[@chickenmonger123]

The issue of course, is that separate congregations occur for separate interpretations of central Doctrines. If I am Speaking in Tongues, or believe Baptism with Water is unnecessary, or don’t believe in the Trinity what then? That creates a separation. If I walked into your Church with those things, that’s going to be a hard no. Now, if I had Scriptural reasons for those. And was willing to discuss them. That creates some understanding. But it’s really going to have to be negotiated. The Word of God is for that. Often our Fellowship and Worship in Christ is often upheld enough. However the hard line in most Congregations means you have to accept their interpretation of Doctrine. I don’t see a way around that. Other than ongoing and never ending Dialogue and Prayer. And Love. Romans 14 talks about those who will or won’t eat meat offered to idols. How it is no prohibition in the Church. Yet how to handle those who set up prohibitions. This is much the same. Yet what is there besides to get with those who believe similar enough to you in the Scriptures. Those who call Christ Lord, and work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling? Nothing. The answer to the division is thus; “Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

[@plainspokenpod]

Ruslan, this guy is nice, but he doesn't know Methodist/Wesleyan history of doctrine. His retelling of the causes of schism in Great Britain and America was...not right. If you decide you want to take another look at John Wesley, the Methodist Revival, or another modern expression of the tradition, the Global Methodist Church, you're very welcome to use me as a resource. God bless you for this earnest work!

[@TheSignofJonah777]

I agree with you some of this didn’t add up.

[@ReadDaGospel]

Ummm this is disgusting. Running the church like a business is a shame. This is why the old church will never die

[@stephen1503]

This reminds me of Matt Whitman's channel and how he interviews different pastors in different denominations.

[@DAngeloReid]

Love this video but someone should look at the audio setup for the part where they're sitting at the table talking

[@vanhosss7037]

They may ordain female pastors... but God doesnt.

[@Szpak-123]

Judges 4 and 5. Deborah.

[@vanhosss7037]

@Szpak-123 old covenant, and still not pastors

[@Szpak-123]

@@vanhosss7037 The Judge was the primary/senior pastor/shepherd at that time period. (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 Deborah, full essay read time: 10 minutes, free, postable

[@lori342]

What an awesome sounding church. As the church we need to do more of this within our congregations.

[@benbrie2889]

Wish you would have asked about entire sanctification!

[@staceystitches]

Wesleyans believe in entire sanctification.

[@christinamedrano5006]

This is my feedback no judgment. I didn't like the walking during the interview, you seemed to rush his answers, always walking in front of him, and you seemed very distracted, always looking away, like something was happening behind the camera. Good questions, though!

[@mooncitymodels]

I just subscribed to this channel. I’ve watched a few of your videos lately and I really enjoy these interview type videos.

[@roger_villanueva]

This church is doing all sorts of good work and the comments are hyper focused on where you disagree on non-salvation issues. Let's say Jesus agrees that women as ordained ministers is wrong, what would be is reaction, based on scripture, as he sees this church as a whole and the work they are doing?

[@ConntheChristian]

Jesus and Paul would tell them to stop and repent and follow the scripture lol what do you think he’d do make marshmallows

[@showtime1235]

this mindset kills the church “who cares if their not following the law of God because they do good things” funny coming from protestants

[@ConntheChristian]

@@showtime1235 sounds like atheist “I don’t need to believe in God bc I’m a good person” like bro what 🤣

[@roger_villanueva]

Your are assuming these brothers and sisters in Christ have ill intent. How do you know their intent? You also assume that your interpretation is best and anyone that does not agree with you is killing the church. Romans 14 expresses that their will be things we are convicted differently on, and says everything must be done in faith. I agree if something is wrong correction should happen but a hyper critical church with lack of gentle loving correction actually "kills the church". May we all check our hearts to edify and not tear down.

[@signposts6189]

​@@roger_villanuevaThe interpretation is pretty straightforward, bro. 👇👇👇 1 Timothy 2:11-15 NLT _[11] Women should learn quietly and submissively. [12] I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. [13] For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. [14] And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result. [15] But women will be saved through childbearing, assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty._ 1 Timothy 3:2-5 NLT _[2] So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach. [3] He must not be a heavy drinker or be violent. He must be gentle, not quarrelsome, and not love money. [4] He must manage his own family well, having children who respect and obey him. [5] For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?_ I don't know about you but I don't think a "woman pastor" is someone who should be faithful to his wife.👀😬

[@Robfather98XL]

Ruslan, I have been watching you for a few years and love these videos of you going out and meeting with churches and just asking how they do ministry and how God is moving in their church. I am a student pastor in York PA and would like to see you meet with LCBC (I am not employed there but, appreciated their ministry throughout all of PA)

[@Themagnetic1]

I come From Hispanic Pentecostal churches where there very well may be more woman pastors then they’re are men pastors and all the fruits are active especially tongues wich is a sign that tells them wether or not your saved

[@jenniferwalsh1731]

Tongues is not a salvation issue 💔

[@ThinkingChrist]

Too bad Pentecostalism is almost all emotionalism

[@piercedrake2067]

Let me know if you want to follow this up with the first female bishop in the new Global Methodist Church. The GMC broke off from the United Methodist Church just in the last few years. I’m family and can make a connection.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

I thought the gmc was supposed to be conservative

[@SnowMonkeyCantSing]

RUSLAN! A little American history, coming to you from Sweden: the Republican party began as the Whigs in England. The Whigs were liberals, pro-helping people, pro-life, if you will. When they made it to the US, they were the same. Following me so far? The US Whigs were anti-slavery, but many were a little wishy-washy on this point. Some of them wanted it abolished _now_ . These were the largely Christian Abolisionists, who knew human slavery was abominable. They broke from the Whigs and formed the Republican party. The Republican s were ALWAYS the liberal Abolishionists. Can you guess why the Democrats, to this day, call Republicans the "religious Right" to this day, as though it were an insult? That's right: those pesky Christians had cost the Democrats their slaves. Ask the former slaves if they sneer at those who died to free them. Ask those on the Trail of Tears the same -- yes, that was Democrats, up to their old people-hating tricks again, behind that atrocity, too. Remember: Far Left is Totalitarian (the few totally control the many). The Far Right is actually Anarchy, where every man totally controls himself -- which leads to chaos, aka, Anarchy. The US was formed slightly left of Far Right, granting the people limited government, with limited laws, and limited enforcement (protection from others).

[@Glorybound1313]

"Not enough scripture" about women not being a pastor? Really?

[@cwcw402]

Yup as if the bible isn't clear an also on this issue.also Cathodic side forbidding priests to marry is the other side of the coin both are against scripture an i dont know why God has a manual for our lives we think we can twist into doing it better by thinking we are smarter than he is.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@cwcw402he states the requirements here “Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬, ‭12 How is this not clear? If you are to reject the qualifications it’s just as easy to reject the positions all together.

[@cwcw402]

​ @TheSignofJonah777 Im not disagreeing with u i agree with scripture 100 precent with the verse u stated 100 percent an also that Catholics are against scripture forbidding pastors too marry which is also unbiblical.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@cwcw402 it’s crazy how quickly things can go either way.

[@Szpak-123]

@@TheSignofJonah777 Paul couldn't meet those qualifications which he wrote, so he called himself a 'father'.

[@wh4tevercomest0mind41]

Bro im out here in PA

[@ExploreAroundUsOfficial]

Come check out the church and report back!

[@Browndog222]

but what are they being "ordained" into? also, if women can be ordained... Why do we not see it throughout the history of the church for 1800 years? Just seems like everything is very arbitrary and even the adherences. Again, what does ordination even mean?

[@nrs3772]

Ummm he should really know his Wesleyn history is a huge amazing history. Rich and and not just about slavery. It included the move of the Holy Spirit which began in England in Asbury.

[@sway3546]

The scripture that you're talking about where it says I suffer not a woman to have authority over a man in Timothy that's not talking about women in general. It's talking about women in marriage. If you read that scripture it references Adam and Eve which is the first marriage but then it also goes on to say like in the second or third to last verse, talking of a woman bearing a man's child. Does a woman just bear any man's child that she sees in the street? No, she bears her husband's child. And scripture's talking about marriage and women in marriage. Not women in the church.

[@rcsavedbygrace]

Women can be pastors; they must have male leadership over them. We cannot just focus on the Scripture in Timothy. We must always study scripture within context and as a whole. I just did a deep dive on this with our 2 of our pastors. We are non-denominational. Biblically sound.

[@markwhite5926]

Please support Tithing from the NT??? Please show Scriptural support for female pastors in any capacity???? You cant

[@TheSignofJonah777]

Yep

[@1989pfrost]

George Whitefield was one of the founders of Methodism and was a strict Calvinist. Idk why almost all Methodists are Arminian

[@TheSignofJonah777]

I’m guessing because of the fact that they were kicked out of the Anglican Church. And they would like to distance themselves from that.

[@showtime1235]

breaking traditions of the Church leaves us with no real Church

[@chickenmonger123]

The Church is centered on Christ. We know Christ by the Word of God. Not tradition. That Word is the more sure Word of Prophecy. Tradition if it is established, is to be in service to the Church, in line with the Word. If you do otherwise, you put tradition in the Place of God. By all means observe tradition. If it is wise, and serves the other portions first. But cast off tradition if it for one moment gets in the way of your true service.

[@showtime1235]

@ you say this brother but then you get situations like this where people claim they follow word of God when i reality they twist the word and do things like this in traditional Churches this does not happen

[@elKarlo]

@@chickenmonger123 Not rue at all. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” Following tradition is LITERALLY in the NT

[@Psalm2710_]

I'm still waiting to hear a scripture that supports women pastors....You keep saying, "I think/I don't think" you never gave scripture. I appreciate these videos, very cool to see other denominations!

[@insidetech3861]

Women in Leadership Roles in the Early Church: Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2): Phoebe is described as a deaconess (sometimes translated as "servant" or "minister"). In some traditions, the role of deaconess is seen as a leadership role in the church. Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla, along with her husband Aquila, helped teach the prominent preacher Apollos. This shows that she was involved in teaching and church leadership, which some interpret as evidence that women can be pastors. Junia (Romans 16:7): As mentioned earlier, Junia is recognized by some as a female apostle, which is a leadership role in the early church. The Gift of Ministry: Some believe that the Holy Spirit equips both men and women with the gifts necessary for ministry, including teaching, preaching, and leading. The spiritual gifts described in passages like 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 are given to all believers, regardless of gender.

[@insidetech3861]

Equality in Christ: In Galatians 3:28, Paul writes: There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

[@Szpak-123]

The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd at that time period. Deborah essay: read time 10 minutes postable here

[@jasondoman6135]

Did I miss the question about stance on LGBTQ issues?

[@BrandonGray]

The fruits of Protestantism. Scripture and Tradition anchor each other and the Spirit guides us in all truth.

[@PlaceForFaith]

Protestantism? There was also a female pope. 😂

[@seeqr9]

“Protestantism” also allows for correcting and resisting error. We’re not bound to submit to error just because it’s declared by the magisterium. Granted it’s more messy and not as convenient as having all the heavy lifting done by a separate priest class but we too trust the Holy Spirit to guide us…

[@emperorsheev6309]

@@seeqr9ur coping bro 😂

[@seeqr9]

@ Whatever you gotta tell yourself bro…

[@BrandonGray]

@@seeqr9 It does not allow for correcting and resisting error. Actually, it allows for a new denomination to pop up. The fruits of Protestantism or should I say the fruits of Sola Scriptura lead to multiple interpretations, which leads to multiple churches. This by no means excuses tradition but each dependent on each other by the Spirit.

[@StephenFendley]

19:00 I believe this pastor is mixing Philippians 4 with 1 Timothy 2 (which is written later). Furthermore 1 Timothy is one of two authorization letters in the NT and would have broad appeal and application. Good luck using the Bible to establish Deacons and Elders, the only two expressly defined offices in the church, without our only two authorization letters (1 Timothy and Titus). :)

[@Milancreatives]

Why can’t women be senior pastors I’m confused ?

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

1 Tim. 2:11-12 says: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”

[@MavMin]

They are wrong. That is a testimony not a call for women pastors.

[@staceystitches]

I’m a Nazarene which is Wesleyan. We have always ordained women. However, we have very few women who are lead pastors or superintendents. My sister is the preteens pastor at our church. I always knew she would be a pastor. She used to baptize me all the time in the swimming pool when we were kids lol. I remember when she was called to the ministry when she was 16 years old after coming home from a mission trip in Ecuador.

[@salakerz324]

I wonder when the head changes in her marriage relationship. Does her husband play the authority in her home?

[@truthtransistorradio6716]

Let me just say that I think Roberta Morrison is better than most male pastors! However, I acknowledge that most female ordained pastors are extreme charismatic or liberal.

[@staceystitches]

I wouldn’t say most. Perhaps most who are celebrity pastors maybe. But there are a lot of female pastors in traditional conservative churches. Wesleyan is one of them. My church, Nazarene is also Wesleyan. My sister is a pastor. And she is as conservative as they come.

[@mma-jmu]

Luther must be proud.

[@signposts6189]

Nah. Bro is absent from the body and now present with the Lord. Dude is living it up in the presence of the Lord.😎

[@rachelnavarrete3925]

It’s giving Blippi when you went into the jungle gym 😂

[@leannewheeler5351]

@@rachelnavarrete3925 🤣

[@Josef_Skott]

This thumbnail gives me "24 hours hiding inside a church" vibe lol

[@gracelynmarie2608]

You should visit NewSpring Church in South Carolina

[@smokiestcargo66]

Maybe it's my ignorance showing, but how can you claim to affirm Sola Scriptura when Martin Luther removed books from the Bible and disagreed with others?

[@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv]

Luther didn't remove them. They weren't officially canon until the Counsel of Trent which came in response to Luther. Jerome in the 4th century who translated the scriptures for the Latin Vulgate did not consider them scripture...maybe useful for reading but not canon. The real question is who has the authority to determine what is old testament scripture. That would be the Jews ( Romans 3:2- Much in every way. First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God.) And they did not consider the 7 books included from the apocrypha inspired Holy Scripture. Josephus writes about this in the 1st century and Jews to this day do not have the 7 books in their Tanakh. The argument that the Septuagint includes them and was the main "Bible" of the day during the time of Jesus also doesn't hold up since there was more like 15 additional Old testament books so 8 or so were already removed. The apocrypha also contains historical errors and contradictions with other scriptures showing a lack of divine origin.

[@smokiestcargo66]

@@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv What about the council of Carthage in 397?

[@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv]

@@smokiestcargo66 What about the council of Laodicea in 363 that had a different canon list than Carthage?

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@smokiestcargo66locals councils are different.

[@SolaPastora]

Ordained? So you gave her a piece of paper?

[@stevenirizarry9427]

I’m thankful to be in the Orthodox Church where we don’t have to deal with things like this. Women cannot be Pastors or Elders. Don’t reply to me with your verses and your opinions because I’ve already studied this topic enough and I’m already aware of the bad arguments people will throw to justify disobeying the words of God.

[@trentmolnar991]

@@stevenirizarry9427 do you call priest , fathers?

[@richardstanley7661]

You mean the way Paul calls himself father in 1 Corinthians 4:15 ? Are you also going with call no man teacher? Because if you ever called a man doctor, you called him teacher. Dr. Charles Stanley for instance. Are you also going to bring up “vain repetitions” and twist that? I ask then if it says God already knows what we need before we speak do you no longer pray with words?

[@TheSignofJonah777]

We have our own issues. Yours is probably more so nationalism. But that seems more solvable please pray for our old mainline churches and I’ll be praying for your church to be united.

[@ronnierubio3445]

I actually like the 4 quadrants of the Methodist church thingy not bad

[@Wade_Adakai]

Ruslan’s next video: I’M BACKSTAGE OF A MORMON TEMPLE

[@leannewheeler5351]

😂😂😂. That would be scary for real 😳

[@narutofan360]

Highways and biways

[@Doubtyadoubts]

Ha!

[@bambie1830]

If he went to an open house, they’d give him a private tour. It would be awesome

[@MG42Cull]

I have some misgivings, tho open to the same if explained. First, it very much seems more of a business, offering a wide variety of commercial interests. While the Church should stand as the center of a community, for worship & guidance, I'm not really comfortable with it being a 'community center'. I would point to what the YMCA became, a departure from it's original intent. Offering incentive's for worship seems to dilute the purpose of it. Furthermore, I don't want Christ parlayed, I like Him strait up. I found the constant referral to the "Wesleyan Church" jarring as for me there is only "Church". I must admit the denomination game just confuses me and desire nothing more than teaching & fellowship. Which, on a personal note, I have found difficult. I live in a liberal saturated town where I have little trust in these 'houses of the holy' as they are inundated with progressive 'values', just a bad joke.

[@nathanmarone]

Not having watched the whole video yet, I do want to say something simple. The belief that women can be ministers is not a new "progressive" idea. It's been around for a long time. Is it the minority view? Yes. But I am bothered when people lump it in with a lot of other new progressive positions, because they don't always come in a package like that.

[@cameroonbreezygoat903]

What does progressive “wordly ” ideas have to do with the word?

[@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv]

Every denomination that started ordaining women now embraces a host of progressive positions. People like to think it is a "non-essential" but the data shows otherwise. PCUSA and United Methodist both started ordaining women in the 50's and now both are flying rainbow flags.

[@mikeftball44]

Yea just another branch of the Wesley that came from the holiness movement out of the Methodist split in 1860 and brought about the oneness Pentecostal and other revival cults.

[@ROLLTHEMBONES]

Mike Winger was correct, these guys are wrong. Period.

[@HarrisonFamilyValues]

Great interview

[@4johnybravo]

The bible says clearly that weman shal not have dominion over man, this was wemans punishment along with other things along with birth pains God gave as punishment stricly for weman since it was eve, the women who defied god by eating from the tree of good and evil then coerced adam "man" into doing so aswell, paul said weman should not be authorative figure in the church. As it was women who decived man the first time so weman should not get a second chance to decieve him again. And any women who denies this and continues is doing to with an alterior motive, such as pride and ego, weman are still allowed to teach and speak the word of god just not in the halls of the church during service, and are not allowed to be elevated in the church to the hieght of men.

[@trentmolnar991]

Actually God called out Adam as the one who sinned not eve ?

[@4johnybravo]

@trentmolnar991 clearly your weekend hobby bible reader..

[@trentmolnar991]

@@4johnybravo are both my points true or false?

[@4johnybravo]

@@trentmolnar991 false, god punished Adam and even at the same time for thier sin though eve sinned first, but made eves punishment greater, both were banned from the garden of Eden, this act doomed them to death becuase they could not enter the garden to eat from the trea of life anymore which gave them eternal life, there were 2 different trees in the garden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil and then there was the tree of life, god placed a cherubim " a type of angel" with a flaming sword guarding the gate to the garden of evil and scripture says why 'Gen. 3 Verses 23 to 24 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. [24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life lest maneat from the trea of life then live forever agian" but Eve had 3 added punishment Adam did not receive becuase she first sinned. Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. This was one of the punishment also since it was eve who sinned first and coerced her husband she is to have birth pains and her will, intentions and desire will now be to please her husband genesis 3:16- While both eneded up sinning, god punished the women more harshly instilling new rules becuase it was her who first sinned by eating the apple, when God used the term " man sinned" he means both weman and men yes but there are paragraph after paragraph of extra curses for weman specifically, birth pains, having no dominion over man now, and her deep rooted desires will now be to please her husband, not just for eve but for weman kind. Ontop of this Paul exclusively says weman shall not take a hierchal role into the church period.

[@JDthegamer209]

weman? What is a weman? 😂

[@BioTransXX]

Jesus DID NOT CONDONE slavery. Paul IS NOT Jesus.

[@AuthorTimmy]

Matt Whitman vibes