Genesis 9: Meat and Rainbows

[@kirkbolas4985]

I appreciate your use of linguistics and anthropology as a tool in letting scripture elucidate and interpret other scripture passages. Your insights have blessed my walk.

[@sjappiyah4071]

I appreciate you pointing out that the curse on ham had nothing to do with racism, you wouldn’t believe how many lunatics use this argument today 😂.

[@jessenialol9543]

Honestly it’s like ….” Where did you get that from”

[@paulnash6944]

@@jessenialol9543I know right. As in, how would you know for sure Ham was black? You’d have to presuppose he was in order to get that conclusion. The Bible never specified the race of Noah or his sons.

[@MossW268]

@@paulnash6944 I think it's because Ham's descendants are nations in Africa, but the nations listed aren't even black

[@mikewilliams6025]

Assuming humans couldn't eat meat or see rainbows before the Noahic Covenant is like assuming that bread wasn't eaten before the Lord's Supper.

[@boguslav9502]

@@anahata3478 its not unecessary since it is necessary for health. Animal suffering is none of our concern and vice versa. Get outa here with ubscientific veganism. Animals are not human thus human morality does not apply all that is and ought to be applied is natural law. Thus man can and ought to eat meat and hunt. Dignity is the only concern. God did not make all creation equal. In rekation to hin they are all equal and yet in relation to each other they are not. Equality is a base assumption of veganism and many other liberal ideals. Something that is neither moral, nor just, nir even real.

[@SomeRandomDude000000]

@@anahata3478 so to you a loving God wouldn't even originally allow people to eat plants? What are they supposed to eat exactly?

[@grandmasterlucien]

Yeah i was confused when I read it, why would people not think they did before Noah.

[@nazareneoftheway3936]

@@anahata3478 just like the unessecary suffering those mean ol'nasty predators do to their prey in the wild. ...so against nature.

[@TrailerParkPolak]

Yet its the truth you are dining isaiah 6.33 look it up let the Lord speak isaiah 11.6-9 sas there's no place for death and distruction in the new world. The lion will lie with the lamb.. Yes was the last sacrifice.. He ended it... he says I desire mercy's not sacrifice. Check a youtuber about called creation care church.

[@ArmorofTruth]

For those who haven't seen yet, it's another great one! Challenging traditions with clear coherent and scripturally sound arguments. Edifying, as always.

[@correctchristian4255]

Challenging traditions and even overturning them is one thing allowed, taking Jesus out of the theology of the Biblical record from Genesis to Resurrection including His Deity, is not.

[@nazareneoftheway3936]

@@anahata3478 why do you assume sentience of all levels nessecitates every level recieving the same priority of honor??? Animals recorve honor for their level of sentience as we do, no more no less, the real issue is people are committing idolatry with the animals mentally by propping them up above or on the same level of authority as humans and some even God, and that is just as unbiblicalcas worshipping Golden calves and snakes and the sun moon and stars. Stop harping on the creation and focus on the creator, he will justify all crimes done against animals that disgrace the honor given to human kind on how to treat them, but with what we did within our rights properly, we are justified and have committed no wrongdoing, if you are too weak in the faith go eat meat for fear of sinning. Dont do it, but dont sit here and judge us for doing so.

[@RBYW1234]

5,000 Years ago - Great Flood / Deluge. It is suggested before the flood, there was so much cloud cover, that enough sun could not cause a rainbow. Also, 5,000 years ago, People some where where eating meat, They continued to eat meat after the flood. They had meat on their boats to survive a year at sea. There are many ark stories out there, each with their own history. Don't teach story as the only version.

[@statutesofthelord]

It's not possible humans who followed God ate animals before the Flood.

[@JohnDoe19991]

Genisis 1:29-30 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

[@BeardedBarley1]

Right on! God let them know what they could eat, rightly dividing up the resources so that the animals did not feel we were competing with them for resources. Though competition stepped in after The Fall, He still let people and animals know what their boundaries were and did likewise after The Flood. That was His Way/Personality/Character...and there is a reason. Think of how we feed babies. Do we start them off on meat? NO! We start them off with milk, then fruit, then vegetables, and...after that...meat. God started Adam and Eve on the milk of His Love and companionship along with fruit. Then after the fall, they were given vegetation, according to Genesis 3:18. And we know vegetation was what He was referring to here because of the language He used in what He gave all other animals to eat in 1:30, calling them “plants,” according to the NIV. Then after The Flood, He gave them meat. When God allowed them to eat meat, there was a reason. The earth had changed, as shown through Noah accidentally getting drunk off fermented juice since things decayed much more rapidly which we know is true because of how people then aged much more quickly; and God was letting them know that it was the ONLY kind of violence He was going to allow for the purpose of nutrition. However, He made sure to point out that any person’s blood shed by another, EVEN BY ANIMALS, was going to be called into account. Then later after Jesus died and resurrected, the food allowed to be eaten at certain times was all symbolic for us as His spiritual children. As for ‘dominating’ the animals goes, we frequently use terms like ‘domination’ to mean enslavement or forcing others to work or having authority to command them to do things they otherwise would not do for whatever reason. When did slave owners EVER eat their slaves or workers...except maybe in times of famine though most would have rather died than eat another human being? The purpose of killing these animals and shedding their blood was only in sacrifice and to use as coverings, representing what Jesus was going to do for us in the future with His own Physical Being. Did we physically EAT Jesus’ Flesh and Blood? No. Perhaps we do spiritually, but not physically, as Jesus said that His Words on the matter were ‘SPIRIT.’ If they had physically eaten the animals before The Flood, it would have symbolized in the future Christians actually eating Jesus Physically, too, instead of His Water and Blood simply covering us as clothing and as a robe so that we could appear before Him in His Goodness and Righteousness forever. So was the dead animal meat just wasted which seems the host of this channel seems to be implying? Well, let’s look at God’s Character yet again in what He has done in the past, the backstory, if you will. Think of many trees. They produce so many lush leaves; yet in the wild, they seem wasted when they fall especially when people and animals do not eat them when they are poisonous. Yet there they are...all are seemingly wasted after having served their original purpose of helping make food for the tree. Sometimes animals eat some of them if they aren’t poisonous but most of the time not. But they aren’t wasted. Often it goes back into the soil to create fertilizer in order further to feed the tree or other vegetation. So just because people and animals don’t eat the leaves does not mean there wasn’t a purpose for what seems like a complete waste, for God always gives freely and abundantly. In like manner, just because people didn’t eat the meat of the animals doesn’t mean the meat wasn’t used as fertilizer for the soil. Does anyone know how much good animal blood and flesh and bones do for soil in order to grow trees and plants? It’s incredible! Obviously, His giving freely and abundantly is His Way/Personality/Character. The old old adage “waste not want not” certainly does NOT apply to God. He means to give to the point of one’s cup running over most especially in spiritual matters...again typified by the physical. This situation behind not eating the meat of animals because of representing future events reminds me of why Moses was kept out of the Promise Land. God told Moses simply to SPEAK to The Rock so that it would bring forth Life Giving Water to the very thirsty Israelites who were going to die without it. But what did Moses do? He struck it instead. Not only did He strike it, but in a further demonstration of his fury against the Israelites for simply crying out to him for Water, he struck it TWICE. However, God said it ‘dishonored’ Him to the point that Moses was kept out of the Promise Land. Why? The reason is that then Jesus was beaten up/struck, not once, but TWICE for us two separate groups of people (the Jews and the Gentiles). It was humiliating and dishonored Him in more ways than one when all that should have happened was His humane death as He laid down His Life for us all at the hand of the Levitical High Priest. Levi was chosen as such because of what Levi and Simeon had done to the son of the king who had raped their young sister Dinah. Only Levi was filled with such violence that he could take part in killing his own brother. But again, their fury did not stop there but then went on to persecute to death all of the king’s subjects, too, causing the nations around them to hate them. So Jacob their father had to seek God’s protection from the towns/nations around them. And what did the Jews originally do to Christians after Jesus came back to life? Mmm hmm. And what has been happening to them as a result? And what does Scripture tell us will happen when the nations surround them to wipe them out as a nation? God supernaturally intervenes and delivers them, just like with regard to Jacob and his sons. But now get this: God used that situation with Moses (which incidentally in like manner seemed greatly to dishonor Moses though again God used it to tell His Story of Jesus, which in turn then honored God and Moses) in order to get across symbolically to His future people that the covenant of the law could not bring them into the Promise Land of Grace. And God emphasized it by naming the person bringing them into the Promise Land ‘Joshua,’ which is the English version of ‘Yeshua,’ said in the Greek ‘Iesous’ or in our English language ‘Jesus.’ See? He has a reason for EVERYTHING He has done in Scripture. So Adam’s offspring knew they were not to cross that line possibly for a symbolic future reason. They were more than intelligent, living typically over 500 years and often over 700 years in order greatly to amass knowledge, turning it into technology but sadly often to their own harm. As it was, Cain crossed the line by murdering His brother Abel, which then was typified by the Jews killing their own Brother Jesus (though really He laid down His Life for us) by handing Him over to the Romans to slay, just like Joseph’s brother’s did him (though he lived after all was said and done like Jesus did when He was resurrected back to life). They all knew everything they did could have later consequences. That’s why they lived under the covenant of conscience then, developed further by what God said they could eat, before the covenant of the law was given through Moses to those who believed...which was before the covenant of grace was given through what Jesus did for those who believe. So instead of trying to discredit what God says and what God has allowed or hasn’t allowed, I don’t understand why people don’t instead seek Him for how come He did it a certain way, asking Him in a respectful manner in sincerity, not with attitude because they have an ax to grind. He is the giver of all wisdom. He gives it freely without reservation when asked sincerely with good motives. Thus, we should just ask Him and then share with each other what we’ve been blessed with by Him. That’s my take on it all anyway.

[@coriander3170]

@@BeardedBarley1 Learned a lot from your commentary! Thanks for the insights!

[@clw0202]

As gen 1:29-30 said, I don't think that animals were the expense of others before the fall.

[@lilchristuten7568]

@@BeardedBarley1 Humans did eat meat before God gave meat as food for humans after the flood. We know this by way of anthropology (though the dating methods are wrong and the assumption about which came first hunter gathers or farmers is also wrong). Cain was the first of the hunter/gatherers because he could no longer grow his own food so he was forced to find it out in the wild. While it's possible that Cain was the first to eat meat I don't necessarily think that is the case but his descendants did start soon after.

[@wjckc79]

I don't know if it was meant to be humorous, but when I saw the title I laughed so hard I cried.

[@ismaelquintero891]

I didn’t see it that way the first time but I get what you mean 😂🤣😂

[@FelipeForti]

Michael is funnier than it looks

[@WondurLand64s]

@@ismaelquintero891 I don't get why the title is funny? Meat and rainbows....what's funny about meat and rainbows

[@WondurLand64s]

@Sean Barton meat and rainbows? Maybe my sense of humor died within me

[@johndeoliveira8476]

@@WondurLand64s lgbt (rainbow flag) and mens genital.

[@kropp1000]

It's to bad you didn't have videos back when I was in my christian school days...I would understand the bible more.. these videos are the only reason I'm fallowing Jesus today.. Thank you

[@veridicusmind3722]

This must be my current favorite in this series. Great job, IP!

[@vedinthorn]

Halfway through and I realized it was 24 minutes long. Gonna finish this after I get my 2 year old his bath done.

[@DanielApologetics]

Posting a new video in this epic series when it's midnight in Europe? There goes a half hour less sleep...

[@novusrex9809]

23:00 where I live

[@bossmd6369]

To anyone making lies about Allah fear Allah indeed Allah has not taken a son nor is Allah Jesus nor is Jesus Allah, nor is Allah part of a trinity making a lie about Allah is kufar it is disbelief fear Allah

[@sathviksidd]

Wait, this comment is 1 week old, and the video was posted 3 days ago.. what? Is this just my phone or a YT glitch

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

Wich country?

[@beinspiredforjesuswithsamri]

@@bossmd6369 Pls do not even compare our GOD JESUS with your Allah no one said The JESUS of the BIBLE with Allah they are not the same and will never be dear okay. And JESUS is the CREATOR GOD and we we say HE IS the SON OF GOD we do not mean biological one but HE is the IMAGE of GOD in human terms. We can never understand the Majesty of GOD so this is the closest one into explaining who or what GOD is.

[@LordPepeKroak]

Thus said the Lord, your work is truly blessed.

[@travisgoesthere]

If he existed then he wouldnt use you to relay his messages

[@hotwax9376]

I was raised a Seventh-dad Adventist, and the SDA church heavily promotes vegetarianism. This passage is often cited by them as evidence that humans shouldn't eat meat. But I was able to figure out on my own that this was bunk because BEFORE the flood God made a distinction to Noah between clean and unclean animals, which would imply that humans were already eating meat.

[@nicholastidemann9384]

That's still way after God's clear and explicit intention in Genesis 1:29. I personally have eaten fruit exclusively for many years, and I'm doing great, it's undoubtedly what human physiology is optimized for.

[@johnhammonds5143]

As an SDA, I would say that the strongest argument for the intent of vegetarianism in humans is the shape of our teeth. In the entire fossil record, we divide all animals into carnivores and herbivores based simply on the shape of their teeth. Well... look at our teeth. Meat isn't supposed to be part of our diet.

[@hotwax9376]

@@johnhammonds5143 Then why do we have canine teeth?

[@carloswater7]

@@hotwax9376 Having canine teeth, is evidence that we humans are designed to eat meat.

[@hotwax9376]

@@carloswater7 Indeed it is. So is the fact that we have sharp incisors instead of flat ones like cows and sheep. So is the size of our brains, the length of our digestive systems and amount of hydrochloric acid in our stomachs, which all correspond more to omnivores than herbivores. So is our lack of ability to digest cellulose, either through rumination or hindgut fermentation (the next time you poop, you're more likely to see kernels of corn than chunks of meat.) And so is the motion of our jaws when we chew, which is up and down instead of circular like in herbivores.

[@Drp_br_]

Great vid Micheal. I heard there is something in the Hebrew Bible called, ‘Sheol’ I would like to learn abt that. Great one mate!

[@jimspace3000]

Hi, good to see you quote Alter’s commentary on Genesis 9. I have that too, and noticed that he also said following your quote: “Some, as early as the classical Midrash, have glimpsed here a Zeus-Chronos story in which the son castrates the father or, alternatively, penetrates him sexually.” He is referring to Kronos (Cronus), the brother of Iapetus and father of Zeus, castrating his father Uranus. Iapetus is mentioned in The NET Bible footnote for Genesis 10:2: “The Greek form of the name Japheth, Iapetos, is used in Greek tradition for the ancestor of the Greeks.” So the brother of Iapetos (Japheth) was also involved with a sexual indiscretion with his father. Similarly, in Hittite mythology, Anu is overthrown by his own son Kumarbi; Anu attempts to flee, but Kumarbi bites off Anu’s genitals. Here, Kumarbi may sound like Ham in Hebrew with the guttural H. Anu here sounds like Noah. In another similarity to the Kronos story, Uranus sounds similar to Anu and are both sky gods.

[@heistbros8575]

Jews-cuts off foreskin Hitties, Greeks, etc- 😈

[@heistbros8575]

On a serious note. Ham probably did nothing to Noah. The story simply was showing how Sin was not eradicated.

[@h1ll13illy2]

the part about Gods bow completely blew my mind. awesome stuff

[@qcbtbx]

Absolutely love the continuity of the redemptive narrative on your presentations. Deeply biblical and contextual.

[@LinebackerTuba]

Wow, this take on Genesis 9 makes so much sense. Thanks for the clear and coherent argumentation.

[@statutesofthelord]

Followers of God did not eat meat before the Flood.

[@icansee5377]

@@statutesofthelord Yes,Jesus confirms it by saying that it was not so in the beginning.

[@saratmodugu4000]

Inspiring philosophy, I wonder if you will do a video on the relationship between the Bible and prehistoric human species other than Homo sapiens. I feel like folks like the thinking atheist or Arron Ra may go in this direction to discredit the Bible, let alone the average atheist who hates answers in genesis

[@droe2570]

@GBF freeloader The interesting thing that I read in Genesis is when we read that God "breathed life" into Man. Note that humans exist, then God's breath fills humans. I have always thought this meant that homo sapiens were the evolved beings God was awaiting through His design, and He gave us a soul--or if you prefer, moral agency--and the ability to have a relationship with our Him. At any rate, one theory is that 7 species of hominids evolved other than homo sapiens, another claims 9, and there are might be others. In other words, there's no certainty in any of that.

[@droe2570]

@GBF freeloader Neither.... I'm not sure how to explain any better without simple repeating myself.

[@saratmodugu4000]

Mr Leg have you seen their skeletons? Have you seen their biology and differences. Also Indians and Sumerians and Kushites and Israelites knew about elephant skulls being elephants. Seeing how we find skulls, rib cages, femurs, finger bones, vertebrae, whole artifacts, and we have sequences and isolated their DNA that diverged hundreds thousands of years before any Homo-Sapien alive or dead. Your argument is something not even inspringphilosiphy would support as he supports biblical literary interpretation and science at the same time. As do various biblical scholars on biblical Literary interpretation about the nature of the planet with in a biblical context rather than a literal European 19th century (according to inspiringphilosiphy himself and yes the literal view is quiet young)version of science with in a biblical context. Thousands of years apart apparently

[@saratmodugu4000]

Mr Leg also aren’t wolves and dogs less similar in DNA and yet they are considered as sepperate animals within a biblical and genetic perspective, if you could even call it a perspective instead fact.

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

@Mr Leg No, its more like 30% That was a hoax going around in Highschool.

[@Yprion]

This is a fascinating episode. Thank you so much for your hard work!

[@ArmorofTruth]

The makes sense because when we consider God's laws and decrees they are always intended to show man his sin and lead him to salvation. Therefore decrees from God regarding a specific diet seem unlikely. Good points here that challenge some possibly erroneous traditions. Thanks for detailed work and presentation.

[@nicholastidemann9384]

If you think it through, that's obviously nonsense. What is the only type of food which is made specifically by plants to be eaten in a mutually beneficial relationship, and thus the only truly ethical food where no plant or animal is harmed in the process of creating and eating it? Fruit. What is the food God specifically states is the food of mankind in the earliest reference to food in the Bible? Fruit. What is the only food which is known for the mountains upon mountains of scientific evidence for it being beneficial to all aspects of human health without exception? Fruit. Me and many others have lived on fruit exclusively for decades, and people have been doing the same for millennia. There's literally no excuse not to for anyone with abundant access to fruit.

[@SunShine-oe4rt]

It doesn’t specifically states that God used animal skin to clothe Adam and Eve, and even if we grant that, notice how it was done because of sin man did, but the text doesn’t actually says it’s the skin of an animal With the offering, notice how it’s done after the fall of the world, as there was no such thing as offerings in Eden, and it’s very very possible that they didn’t eat it, especially since they had no concept of eating animals at that time, so it would have been odd to them And if you read Isaiah passages in the Bible, it clearly describes a vegan world in God’s perfect world, which Eden was until Adam sinned, so man was vegan in Eden since it was God’s perfect world until things went downhill, and we will probably be vegan again in the upcoming kingdom, though we are currently in a sinful world so things are not ideal But pretty nice video, I actually think your kinda underrated, you should be getting more views, but am glad we have Patreon to keep underrated artists up-float

[@redpilledtrooper7523]

Vegan is incorrect. The humans were vegetarian. They ate fruit and vegetables and grains. But with sheep to graze fields they likely would drink milk.

[@SunShine-oe4rt]

RedPilled Trooper its possible that they drank milk, seeing how milking animals isn’t inherently hurtful to the animals but am just going off what genesis 1 said, but either way is fine

[@SunShine-oe4rt]

Christian Psychonaut777 no problem 😀

[@krabelpaan]

Great answer

[@SunShine-oe4rt]

pawpaw kran thanks men

[@rockytopbritt]

I really like your explanation of Noah getting drunk. I have never thought of it as a second fall before.

[@JerryMitchell97]

Huh, sounds like "sign of the covenant" could be thought of as a physical object/action to focus one's attention on to maintain faith, not unlike what rosary beads are at least once meant to be for...

[@eightpoint58]

I'll say this for stand out tradition like the Jewish dietary, circumcision, and weekly Saturday scripture meetings is that it keep them a separate people every country they migrated to and created such a strong bond that they are very successful in multiple disciplines.

[@eightpoint58]

@jeisa Jeis I'm not sure that the mixing ie marriage out side the culture has changed the over all outcomes. Also think of the Ethiopian Jew, air lift in 1991. They had been cut off from contact with all there Jewish people for generations. They had some of the oldest scrolls in the world and still practiced all the traditions on the same days as all other Jewish people around the world. Most of them that made it to America are doctors and engineers. The overall story of the Hebrew, Jew, race, religion, and overall culture is a complicated and very interesting one.

[@carolynbillington9018]

depth of study is helpful in understanding scripture

[@Adrian-ri8my]

You going through every chapter of Genesis one by one or only up to a certain point?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Just genesis 1-11

[@schnitzelfilmmaker1130]

InspiringPhilosophy Are you going to do a series on Old Testament laws? Too many people online don’t want to understand.

[@coldramen1449]

@@InspiringPhilosophy Will you do a video on Ancient Tyre and if it's a failed prophecy? Just spoke to an Atheist today and this.

[@emdefesadafe-apologetica630]

@@InspiringPhilosophy Subtitles English, please.

[@michaelmichael11]

Im no longer a Christian but I enjoy your videos. Sometimes they feel like a USB-C to rotary phone adapter. I just can’t square that circle. But I enjoy your work, I hope it will help the critical to keep their faith.

[@vijayr6695]

Thank you for sharing this information and Lots of hard work not just to gather information but to present it in the video 🙂👌

[@jlupus8804]

Some video ideas: Jesus vs Marduk String Theory Bible Translations accuracy Did Constantine ruin the NT? (conspiracy) Love your work, Michael!

[@Ninevehh]

He covered the topic about Constantine in his "Truth about the Council of Nicaea" video.

[@Grandliseur]

Of course they did. The idea or claim that some make that humans were not eating meat before the flood is even non-scriptural while is also is against what archaeological studies show. In Genesis, we read: Gen 7:2 ASV Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee seven and seven, the male and his female; and of the beasts that are not clean two, the male and his female: The whole concept of clean and unclean animals has only one single application -- namely, that of eating. It has no other significance. Thus by the Bible people before the flood ate meat.

[@SuneeshJacob]

i don't think Abel's keeping of sheep is necessarily for meat. i think it is possible that it might be for rather wool.

[@SuneeshJacob]

and having dominion on creation (animals) doesn't necessarily have to mean eating animals but might be to rule animals, such as to control the anims by means of wisdom, i guess, if i am not wrong

[@hillaryfamily]

@@SuneeshJacob Cain offered grain, but Abel killed an animal to fulfill the correct path to redemption: killing and treading down the animals, just like God in the garden rejected the fig leaves for animal skins. See my paper Man's War for Dominion over the Beasts

[@krackmusik97224]

@@SuneeshJacob yes you're wrong, the Hebrew word to rule or to have dominion express a violent connotation, in the sense of physical violence.

[@redpilledtrooper7523]

To graze fields, to use wool, and goats also produce milk.

[@OldSchopenhauer]

@@krackmusik97224 If you have dominion over a kingdom it in no way implies you cannibalize your subjects.

[@My56David]

Wow, another insightful reading of scripture! Thanks!

[@OGPatriot03]

I want to make a video game (of sorts) that is essentially the entire bible in the form of what I would consider to be modern media as less and less people actually read books. But calling it a game doesn't sound right either since the "game" would be fundamentally different to the typical 9 to 14 hour story driven game you might imagine(notably, it would be way longer and larger in scope). I give it a lot of thought and one of the hardest things to resolve is the compromise on what exactly to present as people have all sorts of different interpretations that they've internalized so it probably wouldn't make anyone happy. When you read it it's open to interpretation so you can write it literally and that could mean a number of different things to people, but if you're seeing it on a screen rendering in real time some very important questions need answered first. Your videos are very helpful in this respect and I also read the comments to see what other people think too.

[@ceasedesist9676]

If you do, perhaps do old testament only in my opinion as NT is too heavily contested in terms of doctrine compared to OT. Additionally, deuterocanon could be a dlc as protestants don't affirm it while catholics and orthodox do.

[@fds2513]

*conveniently Ignores Gen 1:29-30 after citing 1:28 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. *You shall have them for food*. 30 And uto every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. Gen 1:29-30 so disturbing that he'll supress the truth to fit his narrative

[@Timbo_tango]

He also draws along bow at his interpretation of the phase "dominon over" in that it means to eat of. If we take IPs argument and apply it to the text where God has dominon over man this would mean God will eat us any time hes feeling peckish. So no, Man was not meant to eat flesh but due to the flood coveing the WHOLE earth it left the the gound with little top soil initally, God allowed Noah meat for food as a provision for the lack of plant matter.

[@forestantemesaris8447]

*Very* well done. Thanks, IP.

[@kvelez]

13:44 Great note.

[@ngeorgalis1]

Genesis 9 speaks to the sins of human sacrifice to appease God and the cannibalism that followed the sacrifice. This was the reason for the Flood and the ultimate fall of man. More of this in “God and Wealth The Rise and Fall of Nations”

[@HonestPerspective1981]

What would be the best response to someone who says Religion is the biggest threat to society today?

[@arnoconnorkenway9226]

You don't know but you are a hero

[@nireekshanaanand3464]

Hey IP can you make a video about how you make your graphical videos

[@renren1641]

Great video as always, might become a patron sometime soon!

[@jeremystake6992]

As always well done ☺️

[@sathviksidd]

Hello IP! I wanted to know which theory of evolution you believe in, like could you refer any playlists/books that explain in detail and present evidence? Keep up the good work and God bless !

[@railwayjade]

Thank you for that explanation - I wondered why he cursed his son for seeing him naked when its his own fault he was drunk.

[@j.athanasius9832]

Can't wait for the video on the Tower of Babel!

[@jjphank]

Tower of babel the first pyramid. South American pyramids rival the Egyptian pyramids so much so that they came from the same architect. 2012 that was not the first pyramid that’s why the world did not end

[@joyelias6975]

Insightful and intriguing to listen to. Thank you.

[@brandonp2530]

Great work mate. God bless you

[@simeonakinleye6575]

Quite elucidating as before. I am in particular thrilled about the God's bow and the Adam - Noah parallels. Good stuff. But I think one needs to understand the depth of ancient Middle East and African reverence for their parents to see that Ham couldn't have slept with his own mother as an euphemism for seeing his father's nakedness. In the culture it is shameful of a child to see his father's nakedness and talk about it. Cain could be Ham's favourite child, the one he dotes upon.

[@pragavirtual]

Fat is not a leftover product of meat, its quite the contrary, human beeing eating a ketogenic diet (70% fat, 25%protein and 5% carbs) will live the most healthy and happy life.

[@DeusEstPrimus]

Michael, I enjoy your videos and I appreciate that you cite sources. While your arguments have great explanatory scope and power, I do not share all your views. In regards to Noah and his nakedness, I’m surprised to see you take the traditional, and incorrect view ( meaning Ham saw Noah naked). Any one familiar with Leviticus knows that the language in use here is idiomatic, and that it is really saying “Ham had sex with Noah’s wife”. You do not need to take my word for it. “Leviticus 20:11 (ESV): 11 If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness…” See? This makes much more sense, and would explain why Noah curses Canaan, and not Ham.

[@patmoran5339]

No. Meat was too expensive at the grocery stores before Genesis 9.

[@rc4688]

No one wiped their asses until toilet paper was invented.

[@rocketman2628]

Nice title Mike.

[@zekidan8284]

about the rainbow, i always heard that its aim towards the heavens does not imply that god has put his bow aside, rather that he now aims it at himself implying that next time he will put the judgment of sin on himself, which he does on the cross.

[@wayfaringman8418]

Very fascinating. Very useful.

[@virginlamo8202]

Noah’s wife be like “what are you doing step son”

[@thegrimharvest]

Ham the original Chris chan confirmed?

[@glendagajsek-shears3890]

Help us all loving God almighty. Forgiving Merciful God. And wish we all had the Holy Spirit working with us all and Stop us from degrading and not be more sinful or evil any more and stop carrying the curse :( And the real need of Christ. And for what He has done for us . Thank you for your love and Grace.

[@Testeverything521]

I love it when you make these high-effort videos.

[@Daniel-ze8po]

@InspiringPhilosophy will you ever make a podcast in the near future?

[@ralphjosephrjm326]

Awesome video as always man. God bless you more.

[@arnoconnorkenway9226]

You are videos on free will given me hope to live seriously thats a lot😢😊

[@jjphank]

The Bible is full of free will .use your free will to serve him my friend Be a servant of Jesus.

[@arnoconnorkenway9226]

@@jjphank bro not to disappoint but i am an hindu but i have equal respect to every religion because god is one just prayers are different 😊stay blessed bro

[@jjphank]

Arno Connor kenway hinduism doesn’t make sense; you can never get off the merry-go-round even if you commit suicide over and over and over again, you still come back and second point the worst point of all; if you come back as a frog then you have to be leery of snakes, alligators, big fish, bigger frogs, storks other birds, small fish when you’re a tadpole. Come back as a fly you got to be afraid of frogs possums other insects spiders. what kind of a God would make you reincarnate to always have to look over your shoulder at the higher being that’s going to eat you, torture you by killing you, and then after you die you come back and have to do the same thing. The God of the Bible is not the author of evil, he created Freewill. Dude, you need to come home to the Bible my friend. come home to the truth that Jesus died for your sins so that you might live again. he paid for your past sins that you’ve done already while you’ve been alive and it is for man once to die and then the judgment. Heaven or hell after you die God is not the author of evil. Vishnu says he’s The serpent of eternity, the Lord of destruction that’s two of his definitions. The serpent in the garden of Eden was used by Satan to trick eve.

[@jjphank]

Arno Connor kenway **2nd time saying this: from the bagavad Gita, Krishna says “I am the lord of destruction, the serpent of eternity, the prince of demons”. Three evil descriptions apply to Krishna. Bible calls the Satan because God is not the author of evil he is the author of free will. That’s why God is 100% good 0% evil. Come home to Jesus today, don’t wait!!

[@jjphank]

Arno Connor kenway no the Bible is a good book because God did not create evil, he allows it until he wraps everything up and evil doers will be in hell and good doers will be in heaven. God is the author of free will, He didn’t make us robots. The only one true religion Christianity because 40 writers wrote the Bible and they did not contradict over 1400 years which proves that God wrote the Bible not man. Also its claims are undeniably divine and many other ways to prove the Bible is true including archaeology manuscript evidence prophecy and science.

[@imsorandom434]

I love your videos IP love your work. God bless

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Thank you

[@TheSwizz23]

It seems to me to be as simple as not eating the animals that are intended to be used to repopulate the postdiluvian Earth until they've reached population numbers that can be sustained after eating them again.

[@marcusdumitru]

So many flawed assumptions here, just to force a point that is not evident from the text. It is based on a flawed view of history too. If God skinned animals and Abel sacrificed them, it doesn´t imply people were eating the meat. Not at all. It is clear from the text the use of those animals: sacrifices. There are still a LOT of animals that are killed for any number of reasons, but not for food. Skins, buttons, horns, weapons, trophies, experiments, rituals, etc. Also, people could raise cattle for dairy products, plowing, transport, without thinking in eating them. You are forcing an argument on the text not for the sake of the text, but for sake of modern cultural requirements. The text is intended to be understood as this: Humans weren´t supposed to be carnivores BEFORE the flood. Gen 1:28 doesn´t imply eating. It states the supreme position of the image of God on earth over lower creatures, mimicking God´s supreme position over lower creatures. I don´t remember God eating humans or animals, fish or birds, just because he is sovereign over them.

[@NodnarbRS]

I always made the assumption that when God made Adam and Eve garments of animal skins that it was a part of the first animal sacrifice since they had just sinned.

[@darth3911]

that’s what he did

[@jonathanvelasco7332]

Yeah. It was God showing them that from then on, something was going to die in their place to cover them.

[@jamesstack4278]

Ham stole Adams skins when Noah was drunk. Passed them down to Nimrod. Hence the curse

[@jessecombs5373]

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shitttttttt

[@rrose9161]

So basically how we are effecting the environment now is within our power as it was given by god

[@alfiemccalfry6635]

I never realized that Genesis 9 was supposed to be the fall of Noah. Getting drunk is normalized in Modern Western Culture, so I assumed that him getting drunk was not a big deal, possibly even a regular occurrence and that Ham was the only wrongdoer for taking advantage of Noah's drunken state.

[@samushogan9028]

Canaan was in Noah's Tent When He Awoke.. Hams Youngest Son.

[@Artemisarrowzz]

So Ham raped either his own mother or his stepmother

[@gerbhiebajado9878]

Wait, where is Genesis chapter 9 verses 32-33 came from? In my KJV bible Genesis 9 has only 29verses. I checked also the NIV bible it has also 29verses. Please enlightened me. Check the time of this video 20:29 (minutes: seconds)

[@streifr]

Very well done. Things i hadn't considered you connected up with easily understood commentary. Would you also provide the source of music?

[@Mouthwash019283]

Regarding the curse of Canaan, in early Genesis, what is blessed is never cursed later on and what's cursed is never blessed (God can't curse the man, Adam, so he curses the ground, Adamah). Ham has been blessed by God as one of Noah's sons, so he can't be cursed. That's why Noah can only curse Canaan. God punished offspring and subjects in the OT (look at David), since in ancient societies they were considered an extension of oneself.

[@stephencastro4723]

Genesis is an ALLEGORY, not literal historical narrative. Of course, when we say allegory, it means SYMBOLIC WRITING THAT REPRESENT SOMETHING REAL. That is why meany are lost in understanding it because they are not sensitive with the genre of it.

[@ea-tr1jh]

Hey @InspiringPhilosophy . I watched your video about the meaning of "subdue" in Gen 1. I noticed that one of the slides gave all of the instances and usages for it in the OT. However when I looked up Esther 7:9, one of the verses listed, the Hebrew word nor its number in Strong's concordance was to be found, neither was sexual assault ever talked about in it (you said the usage in that verse was "a locution of sexual assault"). Anyone who knows the answer can respond too.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

It’s 7:8, a typo on my part

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@InspiringPhilosophy thanks!

[@Bless-the-Name]

Short answer: Yes (but not the line of keepers). Long answer: If the short answer isn't sufficient for you - feel free to watch this video. If you don't know who the keepers are ... they are the people who keep the faith and commandments of the Most High.

[@1StepForwardToday]

The 2 pillars of Christianity are.. dignity and unconditional love. This is the nature of Gods character and, the fundamental principles that God instructs us to develop and live by. Tho, causing unnecessary suffering towards conscious, feeling creatures is neither loving, nor, dignified.

[@danielschouteeten9421]

1. How do you know it is unnecessary? 2. We are seperated from God, well, kind off. So we should expect suffering. These are my thoughts.

[@1StepForwardToday]

@@danielschouteeten9421 1. I regard unnecessary as anything that is objectively unnecessary. So, this means that we must aim to do all things which will cause the least amount of suffering, possible; and to only cause suffering, in the most minimal amount, and compassionate way possible, when it is absolutely necessary. If animal meat is required for our survival, then, it is a necessity to eat meat. But, we must only do so if it is necessary for our survival. And, we must only treat the animal and kill the animal in the most dignified fashion that we are capable, which aims to cause the least amount of suffering (this includes how we kill them, and the conditions that we expose them to until their death). These are the ways of dignity. These are also the ways of reasonable compassion. Imo, God would hope and expect nothing less of each of us. 2. I agree, we should expect suffering. But, we shouldn't cause it. (Not unless it is absolutely necessary).

[@danielschouteeten9421]

@@1StepForwardToday Ooh, you were talking about the animals. I thought: there is (it seems like it) unecessary suffering. Therefore, God doesn't exist. I thought you mean that. Yeah, I kind of agree with what you are saying.

[@jjphank]

True if you define unconditional love as forgiving us unconditionally on what we’ve done. But it is conditional based on if we come to Christ for forgiveness or not, that’s up to us and if we continue to walk with him and him being our Lord, we’re gonna do what he says, that part is conditional as well. If we don’t walk in the light as he is in the light (God’s not stupid) the blood of Jesus will not cleanse us from all sin. First John 1:7. He wants us to be like Jesus he wants to be like the father be perfect as Your heavenly father is perfect and holy is he is holy and go and sin no more. I feel necessary to bring up this truth especially in the day and age of hyper grace which we live in. Jesus has many Commandments one website says 1050 Commandments. We aren’t under the Old Testament law but we do have the law of Christ Galatians 6:2 first Corinthians 9:21. For instance, the great commission go commit evangelism not sin. what’s the opposite of the great commission? the great omission not doing what the great commission is. The word “works “ gets a bad rap but not from the Bible only from main stream Christendom in the 21st-century.

[@1StepForwardToday]

@@jjphank I hear your points and I believe that I understand your concerns. Tho, my own perspective is a little different. Imo.. God loves every one of us no matter what we do, say, or believe. Whether we accept Christ or not. Whether we sin or not. His love for us is without condition. And, He teaches us to love others in the same way. This love is to include everyone (Love God, love thy neighbor, love thy enemy). Love is the language and currency of Christianity. It appears that [love] is the law of the new covenant. Ephesians 4:2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. Corinthians 16:14: Do everything in love. 1 John 4:8: Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ... Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 1 John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. Romans 12:10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Matthew 7:1-7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ... Corinthians 13:13: And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. Colossians 3:14: And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. Ephesians 5:25-33: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her Proverbs 3:3-4: Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. Romans 12:10: Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. John 4:12: No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. Hebrews 10:24-25: And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 1 Peter 4:8: Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins. Ephesians 4:32: Be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you. 1 Peter 3:7: In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God's gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered. Ephesians 4:2-3: With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Romans 13:8: Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 1 John 4:16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love. Ephesians 3:16-17 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. John 15:12 May the Lord direct your hearts into God’s love and Christ’s perseverance. 2 Thessalonians 3:5 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven -Mathew 5:43 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Great work

[@leonardodoel3106]

Even the righteous makes mistakes

[@bensilver1025]

The first Adam was a different constitution then we are today. Before the first Adam fell he was more spirit like he was vegetarian but after the fall he was given a coat of "skin", but it wasn't a fur coat he was given a flesh body like animals and this is why we have a tendency to eat meat. Until you can get back to your original body constitution don't bother being vegetarian because it goes against your flesh animal body until YHVH makes things right again.

[@Robwolf28]

Well, I think the reason was that before the flood they were farmers, so they had crops for food. Then you know how floods can ruin the crops, so after the flood, the land had to recuperate so for necessity they had to hunt for food and eat meat. I mean until they started farming again of course.

[@MortenBendiksen]

Hmm. I always thought they shouldn't have covered Noahs nakedness. He wasn't ashamed, and had no reason to. It was his sons who were ashamed, and started covering up what is intended to be open.

[@vegetasapologetics3214]

Oh man. I honestly need to see Genesis 10 video. Ive got so many questions...like were their other survivors besides noah and his family.. Or was noah the only obedient one of the line of adam?/ what about noahs sons... Did they really populate the world.How is that possible? And can we differentiate noahs decsendants from other humans in the text.. Anyone with suggestions to books or vids would be greatly appreciated.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I'll cover some of that next month in Genesis 10

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

I see why this might seem right if you already believe in deep time and the idea that these are not the first people on earth. And especially if you understand animals to be carnivorous for vast periods of time prior to man appearing on the scene. But if Noah is given permission and it is listed in the text it seems to suggest it is a new concept. And that is the historic, Jewish interpretation.

[@stephendianda1543]

Great video as usual

[@carlknaack1019]

The curse from Noah is not dealing with punishment, but rather conversion. The Canaanites are to be converted through conquest as servants like in the NT, the Japhethites shall live in colonies and cities and worship with the Shemites, and the Shemites will function as a priestly line. This is a prophecy about conversion, Noah still loving all of his sons. He wanted them all to worship God in truth, but he recognized that they would have to be converted in different ways. The proper definitions of the words in this passage make this apparent.

[@dangerdelw]

I’m not sure if this relevant or accurate, but when I heard of the “nakedness” rape connection with Leviticus, I went and checked out the AMP and OJB translations to try and get a better sense of the original language/meaning. It looks like the authors are not using the same words in both instances. That sort of leads me to believe the explanation that Ham raped Noah’s wife might be a dead end.

[@tylermarquez4957]

Hey IP, I know this isnt relevant to the video, but are you going to explore things like near death experiences, terminal lucidity, deathbed visons, etc... for your irreducible mind series?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yes, in October

[@ChecedDomingcil]

Once again another outstanding video! I seriously can't wait for your video on Babel as the only stuff I can really find about it are young-earth creationist in nature...

[@drsheev7413]

Same, it's hard to find an alternative interpretation

[@robertmitchell8728]

I find the idea of (Noah's nakedness) referring to actual nudity, difficult to except. Unless it wasn't an accident, or it happened because he violated a rule ment to prevent such a sin. Like not entering someone else's tent unless invited. And if that's the case, God would have specified such details. Plus I am under the impression that God's only issue with nudity, is our lack of ability to handle it without temptations, shame, or judgements. In other words, for our sake. Although, it could possibly be, that he disrespected his father (1 of ten commandments at least later on). By shaming him, criticizing him, or making fun of his nudity. But, considering past uses of this phrase, and a man and woman becoming 1. It's likely of a sexual nature. While curiosity makes me wonder, I believe all the possibilities to be wrong(sins). Though knowing might reveal a deeper understanding.

[@lilchristuten7568]

Noah had every right to be naked in his own tent whether he was drunk or not. Ham didn't have a right to enter without permission just like a child doesn't have the right to enter their parents room (with a closed door) without permission. Ham shamed his father by going and telling his brothers about their father's state, and while we don't know Ham's character it's not too hard to know that he probably embellished or simply insulted his father because we all know someone like that.

[@freddielittle9825]

God plainly tells Adam and eve they can eat of anything in the garden but of the tree good evil you shall not eat of it Amen ❤

[@republiccooper]

Doesn't got say that plants and their fruits are for food? Genesis 1:29.

[@peterleadley7103]

Considering that homo sapiens sapiens have been around for about 300,000 years, one can safely say they've been eating meat since before they left the 'Garden of Eden' to colonise the world outside of Africa. (ref: Adam & Eve & the Big Bang) I'm pretty certain rainbows have been around even longer. Which particular flood is being referred to here?

[@demarkestbrooks7896]

God gave the Israelites quail and manna during their Exodus journey. Quail is a bird, meat. God gave them meat to eat

[@thebossyouknowit]

Great video

[@svensvenforkedbeard170]

I find it strange (but good) I come to a lot of these conclusions myself (rippling affect of sin) and then it gets confirmed by scholars or textual evidence. Shows I'm being led correctly and not in heresy!

[@Beastinvader]

You touched on it, but is it like this then?: The Israelites were servants in Egypt. When they subdued the Canaanites, the latter became servants of Israel - servants of servants?

[@VicCrisson]

Do you have any work in mind on the tablets at Ugarit mentioning (El - God) before the Hebrews formed ? As in Jesus/God vs biased assumptions of archeologists. Thank you and keep up the good work, Michael

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

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[@VicCrisson]

@@InspiringPhilosophy thank you

[@delanchan699]

Might not be your biggest concern, but will you ever do a video on the theology of animals?

[@FlyingAxblade_D20]

do you know C.S. Lewis? yt channel "C.S. Lewis Essays" has half hour audiobook regarding that, also check out "The Problem of Pain" many hours book by cs lewis. worth the time

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Remember, it took 150 days for the waters to subside. That's over 3-months. What other flood do you know of that took more than a season of the year to drain off? My mom told the story of the 1937 flood on the Ohio River. It was terrible. It was a regional flood (which violated the promise of God to never again destroy a "region" with water) but it didn't take 3-months to drain away. It took YEARS to clean up after the flood but the waters were gone in a few days - maybe a week.

[@liquidoxygen819]

Doggerland flooded thousands of years ago and is still underwater

[@animalcart4128]

Except the flood of Noah was a supernatural event, whereas the 1937 flood on the Ohio River was a natural event. So God didn't violate his promise.

[@adjustedbrass7551]

We have geological evidence of a global seawater rise ~12,000 years ago, or ~ 8,000 years before Abraham. It would have come on rapidly and covered a significant portion of the earth. Perhaps this could be the flood we know of. Plato (i think) was recorded as saying that Atlantis was destroyed by a flood ~9,000 years before his time.