Installing PoE Security Cameras

[@granworks]

Sorry about the excessively loud background music. It didn't sound that loud in my original mix, so I'm not sure what happened. It's definitely too loud now. No way to fix it without deleting this video and uploading, though, since KZbin doesn't allow for edits.

[@Марусякожаева]

*I like the pan and tilt feature. great **Newest.Technology** camera!*

[@nezermv]

Installed it myself without any issues. The wifi signal is great even kzbin.infoUgkxE_D_sddGAdiVUKp7PkkmyxO7bRtgqmk5 when the router is located far away. I really enjoy the night vision feature that allows me to see clearly any activity near our house (mostly cars and wild animals). The motion detection is helpful to me as well to monitor what happens on our front.

[@troy3456789]

This is usually exactly how it happens. First you get burgled, then you decide security is important. It won't bring peace of mind back immediately though. Just think of how much in dollars someone could do if they got into your place in a few minutes, then use that as a guide of how much you'd spend to protect yourself. Your peace of mind bears intrinsic value that most people underestimate until it has been smashed to atoms.

[@xr280xr]

Why couldn't you just bring the NVR outside with a monitor (or run the cat5 through a door or window to it) for positioning the camera??

[@emerycomputer]

Ditto. Much simpler.

[@thefrub]

This video is a great advertisement for wireless cameras

[@sferg9582]

I used the rigid fiberglass rods for fishing the wires through the eaves, and basically did it backwards from the way you did. I drilled a hole into the soffit where the camera will be mounted and poked the rod through the hole and into the attic insulation and into the attic. I then routed the wire through the attic to where the fish rods were poking up through the insulation, attached the wire to the rods and pulled a couple of feet from the attic down through the eave. I don't have to dig around in the insulation to find the ends of the cable, and then I just tucked a few inches of cable back up into the soffit and mounted the camera. I also used a pair of NETGEAR P.O.E. switches to handle 4 cameras each. That way I only had two cables running back to the NVR.

[@troy3456789]

Pro tip: Do NOT wrap the connection with tape. DO use silicon dielectric grease in your PoE Cat5E connections.

[@m9078jk3]

thanks bud

[@emeraldacrefarm9976]

Thanks for the videos on the POE IP cams and the comparison of iSpy/Blue Iris! Your knowledge will be saving me a bunch of time and trial & error! I've been thinking about doing this project but was inspired to expedite it when my wife told me about an unknown adult being on our property calling to one of our children. It kinda shot to the top of my list.

[@tinxe6821]

Nice guide. I use 2 reolink poe cams. Had them over 2 years and no issues. Runs for maybe 50 bucks per cam.

[@wanderingwalkers25]

Good video.. thanks for sharing... fyi, future attic pulls.. use glow rods or linkable rods when you are runnin wires in a tight attic space like those. You won't have to 'swim' in insulation that way. You can pick up a set at any hardware store and they are well worth the money. ;-)

[@jjack6896]

No electrical tape for me, it turns to goop down the road when you want to remove it.

[@kumakell]

What I did when doing my POE installation was I just used a laptop. Dunno if you've got one around or not, but it saved me a lot of pain. And a single-port POE adapter.

[@granworks]

I considered going that route as it would have skipped having to have the client adapter in the wifi ap. In the end, though, I decided to use my phone instead of a laptop to view the real-time video so that I could get it up to my level while on a ladder and used the convoluted router method because I didn't want to buy a poe adapter that I would only use once. With that setup, everything I used was either something I already had (phone and wifi router) or was something that I was going to use for the final setup (poe switch). But yeah, your way isn't as esoteric!

[@res1cue18]

can you do a video on how you set up that router for wireless?

[@damn-themgames6473]

so as a guy that does this for a living, get a poe switch hook it up, plug your cam in, and plug into the switch with your laptop and use it as a spot monitor. Or you could use a midspan to power the camera and plug your laptop into that to view it over the network. Or lol if your camera requires a PSU you can use that on an extension cord and plug your spot monitor or laptop directly into the camera.

[@damn-themgames6473]

also, your attic is soooo big hahaha its like a best case scenario

[@robertshade8631]

What would suggest for testing video loss on wired analog cameras?I done most of the basic troubleshooting.

[@grassabrutta]

why didn't you just connect it with a short local ethernet cable to get the ip address before hooking it up into its permanent position ?

[@jonathantasis1256]

I'm sure your experience was a great leaning experience. I do this for a living, once you learn the product you know what camera work where just my eye-balling. I have a $600 dollar spot monitor but only use it when a customer doesn't trust my judgment and needs to see for themselves what a particular camera end-point view would look like. Even still its a handy tool.

[@Reelworthy]

you could just use any wifi extender, which usually also has ethernet ports, but no PoE

[@Sagemeister007]

Does your Ethernet switch connect to your computer or router? Thanks and helpful video.

[@granworks]

Currently, the computer running Blue Iris (my NVR) is plugged into the same PoE switch as the cameras. However, when I was setting it up, the PoE switch connected to another switch and THAT switch connected to both my router and the Blue Iris computer. It doesn't really matter. The cameras do need to be plugged into the PoE but beyond that, as long as all switches and routers and computers are connected to each other by at least one ethernet cable, then they will all be on the same internal network and they will all be able to "see" each other.

[@prairieskycam]

Excellent video! Thank you for taking the time to put it together. I’m looking at a future IP camera system install. Do you have any videos or tips on how to run network cable from the cameras into the attic when you can’t get it into the soffit? Is there an easy way to tuck it in J channel for vinyl siding or some other method? Thank you.

[@granworks]

Be inventive! How you route your cables is going to be entirely dependent on your specific situation. For two of my cameras, I ended up installing the camera on the eve and then stapling the cable along the underside of that eve until I had a good place to enter the attic. The other two each enter the attic via the most straightforward way I could find at the time. No real trick to it -- it's just trying to imagine some way of getting the cable to where you want it to go, based on what is there!

[@markman63]

How will the cameras prevent the thieves from stealing your bikes again?

[@granworks]

Cameras don't really prevent theft very often -- their main role is to help in identifying the thieves to help in retrieving the stolen property. That said, I do have my NVR (Blue Iris) setup to trigger my iPhone if certain zones are crossed, so in theory, I would be notified of a thief in real time and might be able to do something about it while they were still in action.

[@markman63]

You Sir understand security cameras very well. A lot of people get them thinking they prevent crime but they rarely do. Where I live burglars have gotten smart and just pull hoodies over their heads, I call it [hoodies] the cloaking device for burglars. I agree that the best use for those cameras is in motion detection and alerting the home owner. Good luck!

[@vincentlok8894]

@@markman63I think having security cameras at your house makes thieves look to your neighbour's house instead ...

[@jrmcgee5150]

@@markman63 It helps for insurance reasons, too. I prefer having evidence. Plus, getting real time alerts is helpful. Locked and loaded.

[@logicwurx]

granworks ....I disagree. Cameras can be a HUGE deterrent. Make them very visible. Make them obvious. Do not hide them! Put up signs to alert everyone that you have them. Many bad guys will go elsewhere. The same applies for a Security Alarm. I have been installing cameras and Security systems for 30 years...a master surveillance technician.

[@mdon1662]

can you not ethernet externally. I want to on my house

[@godbluffvdgg]

I paused it at about 4:14 to chuckle...DUDE! To an OG...Old guy; like me... You sound like a friggin NSA hacker...You lost me at client...:)...Nah, I love it; You're very informative; Now I know how people feel when I'm describing a remodeling project to them...I have to learn this stuff...Thanks for taking the time to explain it! You're the mangrove! SMH...8:10 Oh man; Unless someone has crawled around on top of ceiling joist, in that blown insulation shit, in a 150 degree attic, that can't comprehend what you went through on that first pull! Salute!

[@stephencoulthard1718]

Could of just connected camera to router out side near location. Then connect with phone to view camera clamp camera to a ladder.

[@cloudseries6090]

Poe ip cameras > nest, ring, etc. When we pay $100s for basic cameras we should be allowed to store local video...

[@jimddg]

Make it simpler. Use wide angle cameras, (vandal proof dome cameras instead of bullet cameras), if you want to check the angle just use a long ethernet cable to view the image, no need to mess with a temporary wireless access point. Use wire runnning rods, they are extremely useful. Don't use the included cable, just buy a box of 1000ft CAT6 on amazon ($60) and install the ethernet tips yourself. I don't like Lorex. I have better results with Amcrest or Hikvision. Also long sleeves and pants and do it early in the morning to run the wires in the attic. I have to do that here in humed and hot FL.

[@jimddg]

You need a POE NVR (Network Video Recorder), POE cameras, Ethernet cable and connectors. Run the cable from NVR to each camera. Power is sent through the same cable. Simple

[@demeaningplebny1363]

That attic crawl was brutal.

[@dotnetdevni]

I have the ASU’s night hawk does my own router have to poe or does it drain the power from the net hawk the second tp link that you showed

[@granworks]

Your own router does not need to do PoE at all. Basically, the TP Link PoE switch is plugged into the wall to get its power and then will power your cameras (and provide network access) via Ethernet cables using PoE. The TP Link switch gets its network access via an uplink connection to your existing router.

[@missouribob7850]

Thanks for the video. And I know what you went through, I have spent a LOT of time in attics running electrical wire.

[@sobedelicious9445]

I do have a coax cable port downstairs in the office and a cat5e port in the kitchen. am I able to use a device to convert that coax port into an ethernet port that way I can connect my NVR system to the ethernet over coaxial cable port and then my cameras to the NVR?

[@granworks]

Yes. The key word you'll want to search on is "MoCA" - it is a protocol for providing multimedia content like you'd normally get over coax alongside an ethernet network stream. You'd need an adapter on both ends. A pair will typically run you $120+. If you want to do PoE to power your camera over the coax connection, then MoCA alone won't do the job. In that case, there are some PoE-over-Coax adapters out there, but they tend to be pretty specific to converting older analog CCTV systems to IP and so they use BNC connectors instead of the far more common these days F-style or RG6 connectors. Plus, they typically aren't as fast as the MoCA connections. So if you can power your cameras via some other method and not PoE, then MoCA would be a notably better choice.

[@sobedelicious9445]

@@granworks great! Thank you! I recently bought Reolink 8mp, 6 camera NVR system. It would be ten times easier to do wireless cameras, but the quality is so bad with the 1080ps, and I have yet to find a wireless 4K camera nvr system, as I need to have 24/7 monitoring. I also have a lone cat5e port in the living room but I’m not sure how to connect any of this stuff. I don’t have much experience with connecting wired systems. Matter of fact this would be the first time. I read up on MoCA connections as well, but wasn’t sure if it was going to work on preexisting coaxial cable ports. my home is a brand new built, so to be honest I really don’t know if the wiring is needed.

[@joannaaaron2493]

I live in an internet challenged area, does connecting by POE solve spotty internet coverage? since it is direct connected will it still record if internet is down?

[@granworks]

Yes, POE cameras record directly to the NVR running on your local network. I use Blue Iris on a PC as my NVR. The only time Internet access comes into play is if you want to view your recorded events while away from home and you have configured your NVR to allow that.

[@DJaquithFL]

Interesting and helpful video. Hmm .. my takeaway is to: 1. Have a helper!👍 2. Have a rough idea of your properties key areas of egress, and to cover those areas plus any exterior valuables to monitor. 3. Use my camera on my phone as a dummy cam. If needed video chat for live feed demo. 4. Prevention! Place some Cams in *obvious areas* to draw attention that trespassers are being monitored. 5. Buy a pair of breathable disposable coveralls and respiratory protection!!! 6. Leave the PoE wire spooled up and use some sort of dowl to unspool. 7. Feed the PoE wire starting from the attic down to the Eve's (not visa-versa) with a colorful stiff fishing wire if needed. Not to mention, (if possible) installing this stuff during the cooler months or at least in the early AM before the sun rises. Yep I'm learning by watching the 20/20 hindsight seat.

[@mrmotofy]

Yes learn from other's mistakes

[@keithkeithkeith9874]

How do you ground a outdoor cctv camera? Please show pictures, I've heard of it but never seen someone ground a outdoor security camera. I'm starting to think it is not worth it.

[@granworks]

I don't ground mine. I suppose the Ethernet cable connected to it would create a direct conduit for a massive surge if the camera ever got hit by lightning.... but I'm honestly not that worried that that might happen. Plus, any direct strike would be catastrophic to my entire house and any indirect strike would affect far more than just the cameras, so they would be the least of my concerns.

[@banjotramp1]

good vid. I am in the middle of an 8 Lorex cam install. One thing I thought of. Why the extra POE router? Costs $ for a one time use. The 2nd wire dangling from the Lorex IP cams connects to a wall wart. So now you still need a regular ethernet cable. One less part. But still, quite clever

[@andrewborntrager7909]

Did you say you fired a PLC output from your phone? Would be interested in a video on that.

[@granworks]

That would be cool! But alas, no. I did use VLC (a popular media player) while setting up the cameras, though, so maybe that's what you heard?

[@rudydiaz2488]

Question how are you saving your recordings, VIA cloud or an External Drive? What software are you utilizing?

[@granworks]

I have Blue Iris running on a dedicated PC with an 8TB internal drive.

[@rudydiaz2488]

@@granworks Thank you.

[@XRPHordz]

Did you use poe splitter to power it up via poe switch?

[@granworks]

The cameras are powered over the ethernet cable via the PoE protocol. My PoE switch is providing that power. The PoE switch gets its power from the plug that goes into the mains outlet on the wall. There is no splitter anywhere in the chain. Hope that makes sense!

[@deplorablepatriot5338]

If you did a larger house with 6-8 cameras, wouldn't this type of set-up eat into your WiFi bandwidth?

[@granworks]

This doesn't directly affect WiFi bandwidth at all since it's all over the wired network. I guess it might be possible that some routers would share an internal bus between the wireless and wired networks and a saturated instance of either might affect the other. But that's highly unlikely. And even if it does, there's almost no way a small number of cameras like 6-8 of them would have any notable affect on a gigabit wired network. Let's do a back of the envelope look at an extreme case. Say you had 10 4K/UHD cameras with a high quality codec that streamed at up to 20Mpbs. That would still only be a cap of 200Mbps, which is a fraction of what a 1,000 Mbps gigabit ethernet switch can handle. Having multiple high output cameras will cripple your DVR/NVR long before it saturates your network.

[@deplorablepatriot5338]

Thank you so much for that detailed answer! I'm anxious to get my project started.

[@aservantinbabylon]

I just order a system like this. It also has two connectors hanging from each camera like yours does, but you skipped over completely what you did with the connector that isn't Ethernet. You just showed the Ethernet being connected with the other cable dangling, then you cut to taping the Ethernet up and it looks like that other connector is connected to something but you didn't show it or explain it. The cables that they sent me don't have anything to for this other connector to connect to and it didn't come with any installation instructions. Surely this connector doesn't just dangle open. What is it for? Is it for another type of installation that isn't Ethernet?

[@granworks]

The other connector is taped up along with the ethernet cable -- it is unused so I tape it up so it doesn't just dangle and isn't exposed to any elements. The other connector is for 12v power. Basically, the camera needs two things -- network connectivity and power. There are two ways to accomplish this. The preferred way (and the way I did it) is to provide BOTH of them simultaneously with a single Power over Ethernet cable. But if that wasn't an option for me, I could also just provide just the network connectivity via the ethernet cable and then plug the other connector into a 12v 5A power supply, which is plugged into an outlet. Since I DID get my power over the ethernet cable, the 12v power cable is pointless and so I just taped it closed.

[@aservantinbabylon]

Great!! Thanks for such a prompt reply. My system has the power over Ethernet as well, so that should also work.

[@jbdragon3295]

It’s for power if you’re not using a PoE connection to the camera. If you just use a normal Ethernet switch, this other connect you would use to supply power to the camera. Why they even bother to have it? Seems silly to me.

[@mikeykman401]

Think of it like a RC cable for another type of cable to use for camera.

[@pepsime6895]

great question, thanks for asking so i could see the reply 9 months later without waiting :) . it's silly how none of the systems i looked at have a pic of what the connector attached to the camera look like. this is a product that should have functionality not pretty pics explained. thanks grandworks for posting, this is really helpful, i was so confused when i got what is supposed to be a poe system with that dual cable connector on the camera. after your video and this question i understand it's the way it should be but one of the reason for my selection of this system is to minimize the wall opening, it looks like this will not be any better than a bnc system with 2 plugs :(

[@scotiajinker8392]

Would it not have been easier to just just to move the pc temporarily?

[@vincentlok8894]

Or use a laptop.

[@audi_kid]

Great video thank you!

[@countylaw6985]

Get yourself some glow rods if you ever do it again

[@vincentlok8894]

OMG, that's so clever! I never thought of that, only getting my wife to shine a flashlight up a the hole. Man, it's always great to hear from expirenced folks who know the tips and tricks! Thanks!

[@inhawaii4941]

Glow rod at the end of a metal coat hanger straightened out

[@joelfromportland]

Fiberglass wire fish rods. They're on Amazon.

[@sirocco454]

I have a building 60 plus yards from my house with one ethernet cable buried going to it now. Is there any way possible to run more than one camera threw this single cable? Maybe with a ethernet splitter on both ends or something.

[@granworks]

In theory, yes... but I've never done it, so I am not going to guarantee anything. I don't believe that standard RJ45 splitters would work in this case (even as a pair, like they should be used) but since POE uses phantom power, if you _control_ what wires go where, then it might well be possible. This StackExchange answer gives details that supposedly do work just as you want: networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/32560/multiple-poe-over-a-single-cable/39844#39844

[@Zephfoto]

At the building connect the buried cable to a PoE switch with however many ports you need. Obviously, you will need power for the PoE switch in that building. Connect the cameras to the switch. At the house, connect the other end of the buried cable to a router or another switch.

[@moonbeam112]

You should use a hard conduit and then run multiple cables through it in my opinion

[@vincentlok8894]

@@moonbeam112 If you have power in that building, and one cable is already run, just do what ZephFoto suggested. The point of a switch is exactly to split up the network cabling.

[@alphabanks]

I hate going into my attic since it has no flooring just blown in insulation with sheet rock. One wrong step and you are going through the ceiling. The next house I purchase I want an attic that's floored in.

[@ivonlopez9999]

Thank you for the video. I'm planning to switch from wireless to POE cameras and you answered my questions. I couldn't get anyone to give me a straight answer as to what is needed to install POE cameras. I was thinking of getting POE cameras with SD cards to avoid having to purchase the NVR but I can't seem to find any "how to's" over the internet and the people I've asked keep telling me I still need an NVR. I'm confused. What is the purpose of an NVR if it's not to record? The SD card can record also. If I get a POE camera with an SD card, I don't need an NVR, right? or am I wrong?

[@granworks]

Interesting -- I didn't know you could even buy a POE camera with an SD card! Turns out that there are at least one or two manufacturers, so that is an option. The short answer is that it's absolutely possible to just buy the cameras and record to the SD card, without using an NVR of any sort. It's not commonly done, though, because you are giving up a LOT of functionality! Don't think that you have to buy a dedicated NVR box. There are multiple excellent software-based packages that will install on Windows, macOS, or Linux. They are all far more powerful and useable than the software built into the camera itself. You can install them either on an existing computer or even buy a $35 Raspberry Pi and install an NVR on there. If you do decide to run a software solution on a dedicated PC, then check out my video comparing Blue Iris, iSpy, and Zoneminder for a look at 3 very powerful options. TL;DR - Yes, you can run with just an SD card; no you don't need an NVR; yes, you will probably want an NVR (software or otherwise) in the end.

[@ivonlopez9999]

@@granworks Thank you for your quick reply and the suggestions. I will look more into the available software and Raspberry Pi options since I don't want to invest into a whole POE system, yet.

[@mrmotofy]

SD cards don't really tend to last very well in constant use. An NVR/DVR and security hdd is the best idea

[@ryanr4664]

Having trouble hope someone can help. I have oossxx HD wireless camera kit. It has an nvr and I got a Poe switch. I tried connecting Ethernet cord for power. It is not working. Is there a special cord? are all security cams Poe? Thanks in advance.

[@granworks]

There is not a special cord, however, only cameras specially made to support POE can be powered that way. All such cameras will advertise that they support POE, if they do. I've never heard of a wireless camera supporting POE. Indeed, the OOSSXX docs make no reference to POE and only mention plugging the cameras in to normal power. Therefore, no, they almost certainly cannot be powered over Ethernet. Sorry.

[@margyjr]

Hi, can you tell me if the frame rate drops at night on your cameras?, I have just got Reolink RLC-420 - 5MP and I am using Blue Iris v4, as soon the sun sets it frame rate drops from 25 to 12-13! I hope you can Help me to find out if this normal or not!! Cheers

[@granworks]

I'm using v5 right now and am not seeing any night-time frame rate drops. I also don't remember seeing such with v4, when I was running that. Very curious.

[@davidthecardcollector]

I bet you were itching like crazy after that.

[@gsanchez9457]

Is it possible to connect the camera directly to my computer and so live monitoring using software or would I have to also buy the big hefty DVR box that comes with it?

[@granworks]

Absolutely. That's the beauty of PoE cameras -- they are IP cameras and so they just show up on your network and are accessible by any compatible software. Just plug them into a PoE switch and there there they are. As far as the software goes, check out my video comparing Zone Minder, iSpy, and Blue Iris. Each will do a fine job of managing your IP cameras. If you just want live monitoring with nothing fancy, then look at the comments to that video -- several people describe other, much simpler, solutions. All the DVR box does is provide a convenient solution. Any solution you create on your own with a separate computer + software like above will be more powerful and featureful, but just not quite as "plug and play" as some kind of kit.

[@gsanchez9457]

@@granworks thanks for the reply! This sounds like what I am looking for! A few more questions if you don't mind: once I plug the camera to a Poe switch and that switch to my computer? How do i know the IP address of the camera? Am I able to log into that IP address in my browser and see the settings or am I able to download ispy/blu Iris and have that software look for the IP and log into the live feed that way? Thanks again!

[@granworks]

There are two ways to find the IP address of the cameras after they are on the network. The brute force manner is to login to your router and look at the DHCP assignments. Your cameras will automatically get their IPs using DHCP so they will show up there as new devices. The easier method is to just run something like Zone Minder/iSpy/Blue Iris and just scan for the cameras. In fact, in my video of those apps, I showed how to do the scan in each, as if I didn't already know the IPs.

[@gsanchez9457]

So i would have to connect these cameras to a router? There isn't a way i can connect them straight to my PC, login using their IP address, and view it that way?

[@granworks]

You could connect them straight to your PC, but you wouldn't because it would be very complicated and expensive. I would require a lot of networking knowledge and specialized equipment while the normal route is trivial to do and cheap. These are Power over Ethernet cameras, so you would need a PoE switch to power them and to connect them to the network. That switch connects to your router. Alternatively, you can power each of the cameras via their DC plug and then just plug the (non-powered) ethernet cable into a regular switch or even the router itself. Either way, yes, once it's on the network, you can just login using their IP address if you want.

[@christopherfortes6361]

good work.......

[@pittbulldutch]

Swimming in insulation lol

[@EddieDiggz]

Was he not itchy!?

[@granworks]

SUPER itchy, yes.

[@gimmeanathlon]

Would you help me? I have a LaView camera and am trying to do the same as your have.

[@granworks]

I don't know. What problem are you having?

[@gimmeanathlon]

@@granworks , I've just been looking for a thorough tutorial on how to connect my laview camera to my nvr via a network bridge. I see it show up as a camera to add, but it won't connect. Must be a setting I'm using. Your video game the closest to informing me on my steps. And hey, thanks for responding. You don't see that too much.

[@granworks]

In general, a camera will be inaccessible if it doesn't have an IP address or if there is no route to it on the network. It likely does have an IP if it shows up as a camera to add. So next step is to try and view the camera either directly via the web browser interface or via something like VLC. If neither works, then your camera is not on the same network that you are typically using. Likely a custom route will need to be created on the bridge. That can get complicated based on what protocol you are using to route the camera's traffic, though. If both direct methods do work, then it's likely a setting very specific to your NVR. In any case, your issue will likely be better handled in a forum like IP Camera Talk then in KZbin comments. Good luck!

[@gimmeanathlon]

@@granworks thank you!

[@markf5175]

I just can't understand why you would have that music in the back (fore) ground. The video is informative.

[@MechInvent]

Fun video. Thanks for the guide.

[@evaduan3387]

Good video, actually, do you have 4K HD cameras?

[@granworks]

No, my cameras are 2K. That is, they are 4MP or roughly twice the resolution of HD.

[@karlfotyga1048]

Great vid explains everything! Appreciate it😀😀regards from UK

[@TKommandant]

did you have a 15w poe switch or a 25w poe switch ?

[@granworks]

15w per port or 55w total for 4 ports. Even the 15w was overkill for the cameras I picked, so I didn't feel the need to spend more for the 25w variants.

[@prodigy2k7]

Did you not have them going to a NVR?

[@granworks]

Yes, to a dedicated PC running Blue Iris. I have a separate video comparing Blue Iris with ZoneMinder and iSpy.

[@prodigy2k7]

@@granworks Do you have a video about those and why you chose those over a lorex nvr? Pros and Cons?

[@granworks]

The comparison video is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIKYk42uobqbhtU The reason I chose a 3rd party NVR solution rather than a Lorex NVR is for the extreme flexibility the 3rd party solutions give me. The Lorex NVR seemed quite a bit more limiting, in what little I could find out about it.

[@carpettunnel8837]

If you aren’t being targeted by theives with the foresight to use a frequency jammer, is there any tangible downside of using WiFi instead of running cables? Should be pretty easy to buy a small router for each camera if the POE camera doesn’t have WiFi built in, no?

[@mrmotofy]

wired is always better in the end

[@leroiholmes3005]

Smart man great video

[@ThatTempesTGuy]

Great video brother, sorry you got robbed! Bet it won't happen again though, or they will get caught! Thanks for all the information, I will be installing security cameras at my new house in the mountains.

[@UpcomingJedi]

Its not hard to see the camera footage. Just climb a ladder and view from where you want it which gives a rough idea what is sees then after installation, you get a friend with a walkie talkie to move it while i watch the screen. Its not like figuring out the volume dy/dx of a balloon after 7 seconds while its filling with variable air at a pressure of .5-2 psi.

[@carpettunnel8837]

You could also just find out the FOV of the camera and use a viewfinder app on your phone that tells you the FOV.

[@normbograham3]

That pipe in your attic, vents into your attic. You should likely, run pvc outside of the attic. You dont want these fumes in your home.

[@granworks]

Good point - that _could_ be a problem! After all of the cables were pulled through the conduit, I closed up both ends with foam. There is no airflow between the attic and the living space through the conduit.

[@rudydiaz2488]

Excellent tutorial....

[@iansyou]

Very distracting music but useful demo, thanks .

[@Mitchs]

USE FISH TAPE! push it up the hole so you don't have to lay down ... (you talk about it later in the video)

[@donaldsmith3048]

The music makes it hard to hear you!!!!

[@dianneanderson731]

music too loud!!!!!

[@Oddish08]

Excellent video.. 10/10

[@dianneanderson731]

Surely there got to be a better way to install these cameras!

[@sweetogo]

You could also get one of these Everfocus Sidekicks for seeing if POE Cameras are positioned correctly before final install run: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKrHe313Z8ZlsJo

[@granworks]

Thanks for the tip. I hadn't heard of that product (or even that product category) before but that certainly could be handy. It is a bit on the expensive side if you're not a pro installer, though.

[@AustinPetDetective]

Classic example to go WIRELESS !!!!!!!.

[@granworks]

I hear that! Unfortunately, it's tough to find wireless security cameras that have reasonable resolution (greater than 1080p) and even harder to find them in a reasonable price range. We're still at the point where a classic POE IP camera has TWICE the resolution of their wireless counterparts for less money. Better believe that I'm looking forward to the day when the wireless option works for me, though!

[@SCscoutguy]

Wireless cameras are not nearly the same quality in resolution or reliability. You also still have to run power to them so you might as well do what he did and go ahead and just build a POE system because regardless you are going to be running some sort of wire.

[@andrewford80]

Exactly right, re the power requirement. Might as well power them over the Ethernet rather than dick around with mains.

[@jrmcgee5150]

Got 1000 bucks handy towards a decent system?

[@arturowill1]

Music is annoying :(

[@ClifD]

Wouldn't it be simpler to just get a few hundred feet of network cable - run it through an open window into your house? They have those network signal boosters. Would be much easier to setup to just check the camera positions.... Good tips in the video, I like the cell phone to check the camera angle and the uncoiling of the cable - very smart!

[@granworks]

Yeah, running a cable through the window would be easier. I didn't mostly because I didn't feel like unrolling the longer cable until I had to... and then add on the fact that I do love complicating matters and coming up with unique solutions!

[@ohiograndma8655]

This would be impossible for a great grandma like me to do. I'll go with Eufy

[@philrico3925]

What the hell is up with all the PVC...LOL! Just a glow rod down to your camera hole wouldn't bee sufficient! Also a good installer would cover the hole with the camera to show no cables...At least you tried!

[@abdou6003]

what about Asbestos?

[@granworks]

Not sure what you are asking. My house is new enough to not have any asbestos in anything, if that's what you mean

[@abdou6003]

@@granworks your video is top quality and great voice. However at 7:58 it looks alarming to me as you are a fellow human . Just be careful .

[@jeffreyd1701]

I'd rather watch the video without that music.

[@davids4003]

Volume off, captions on.

[@jrmcgee5150]

Yes.

[@UpcomingJedi]

I'd rather listen to the music without him talking.

[@abdou6003]

he needs the video to target programmed white guy guys who been watching TV all their lives

[@chrisw6310]

Great video

[@allstarnb1]

Are these cameras 24v passive Poe?

[@granworks]

I don't believe so. The official specs just say that it can be powered by either a 12V DC adapter or PoE. Digging deeper, I do find references to 802.3at, so that suggests that it either requires or can use up to the 30W available via that standard. I found no references at all to passive PoE, which has no real standard.

[@allstarnb1]

granworks Thanks for the quick reply! They should really give more specs for the camera, I have a new POE switch that will support 24v passive and 802.3af/at so I’m hoping it will all work out! I may give them a shout to see if I can get any hard specs from them. Thanks again!

[@granworks]

That switch will work just fine. Looking closer at my PoE switch, I see that it only supports 802.3af and all of my cameras works like a charm.

[@zerocool46]

Figure out where you want all your cameras run the cat 5 to all locations plug In the nvr and set up the lorex cloud and long in to the nvr plug in each camera and use the phone and cloud app to set the position of each camera simple

[@inhawaii4941]

If you have a helper get some walkie talkies

[@ltdees2362]

Dude...the music, LOL!...Your wifi gimmick is a mess, you lost the average DIY homeowner with that gig! Tip, the junk cable that comes with the kit/system, throw it out, buy a box of good cat5e solid core, with the plastic sleeve in the side to payout the cable tangle/kink free. Make your own RJ45 cables with a crimping tool & plugs. And then, there is Dumpster Diving...not "Insulation Diving!" LOL! I use a three meter fiberglass rod with eyelets, you could easily gone threw the ceiling! I like your style....just not the music...BTW, liked your Blue-Iris comparison video. You should do just a Blue-Iris tutorial, just slow it down a bit so us old farts can keep-up! So sorry you were robbed, same thing happened to me. Broad daylight, wife and I were home, garage door open, sitting at my desk of all things, planning a surveillance system for a neighbor. Looked out my window this yahoo riding a bike with my pressure washer on his shoulder! come to find out he's on my freaking bike! Seriously...I'm not making this up! I have a Lorex system, 4K with 8mp cameras, a dome camera in the garage, the AH looked right at it...gotcha! Cops found the guy that afternoon...on my bike...

[@facutinmoldova]

At the end you just show how to "disable" a camera with a nail bar...lol

[@whatnowok]

WOW you made that very complicated

[@alanbain5124]

I can hear the music better

[@vincentlok8894]

Oh dear God .... laying in the blown in insulation!

[@prodigy2k7]

Not to mention blown in insulation isn't meant to get compacted like that...

[@PH-qt6fj]

I don't think that was solid wire he was using.

[@Mr.Tec01]

don’t get me wrong, your camera connection is good and solid...but this is SO NOT WORTH IT! and dangerous...lol I have 12 arlo wireless cams, 4 on my backyard with 4 Arlo spotlights...and I would never do what you did...lol Arlo connect to base, place where you want and you are done...Arlo cams have motion sensors and notifications and everything...my wireless system is solid, I have small hiccups here and there, but Arlo is truly AMAZING! and they work with Alexa...your first camera setup in the attic is super dangerous, and then you took off your respirator! WOW

[@joeydelmarsjr.646]

I paid $200 and i have a 4 wireless system and it works, i may not have notification but for the money cant beat it

[@greenearthblueskies8556]

@@joeydelmarsjr.646 Im interested.... What system is that?

[@joeydelmarsjr.646]

@@greenearthblueskies8556 i got it on amazon, its called Hiseeu, dont let the price scare you i been using it for about 1 year in vegas heat. sure its has it hiccups but if your somewhat technical you can work out the settings. thing to remember is with wireless distance and interference with other wireless routers is something to workout

[@bjl1000]

Cameras up high are worthless. try to identify a crook by the top of his hat. Place them down low where the crooks crawl.

[@josuemontalvo221]

Good point but if you set it low, they will want to steal them.

[@khay9833]

Watching you lay down on the insulation made me extremely itchy....

[@ErwinNijdam]

I respect sharing to others how to do a installation. but after seeing this video, I really recommend anyone to hiring a professional if your goal is to have stable and reliable security system.

[@brainjingo7491]

Use a snake to prevent you from swimming in the insulation, silly! Not too smart buddy!

[@45recordman]

Just for clarity you did not get robbed, that requires face to face interaction. You were a subject of theft or larceny.

[@granworks]

You are technically correct; the best kind of correct

[@featherpony]

There's an easier way to figure out where to install your camera. You see that giant grape-shaped thing on your shoulders? That's called your "head". Climb up a step ladder and put your head where you want the camera to be. Open your eyes (important!) What you see is what your camera will see.

[@granworks]

Heh. Not even close. Your eyes have wildly different attributes then pretty much all cameras. Different field of view; different aperture; different focal distances; etc. Plus, what in your FoV is "direct" and what is "peripheral"? Cameras are far more limited then human eyes and so if you want any hope of them capturing the view that you want, then you NEED to see what they see.

[@stoutheuvel]

Please,... turn of this horrible music during this film

[@johnwaynebrooks]

Wow what a very uninformative video.

[@bitkahuna]

for the love of god can you not use that awful music next time. great video info though.

[@granworks]

Yeah, sorry about the music -- it's definitely too loud, if nothing else. I have been experimenting lately with no music at all. That might be a better route going forward.

[@frankcaccamo3568]

Put me to sleep

[@Ty1on3twelve]

Talk way to fast to make sense. You speaking style needs to be slower so we can watch the video and grasp the words.

[@mrmotofy]

Nah just rewatch parts you miss