Installing Propane Gas Line In House And Converting Our Natural Gas Stove To LP

[@Doc1855]

Great video Eric, It amazes me how your mind works. Someone who has a mechanical mind can run circles around me. When I’m faced with a project, I know what the end result needs to be, but the details for the project is foreign to me. But if someone is emotionally wounded or mentally ill, that’s where I thrive. I learn a Lot from you. Thanks !

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks Doc. Glad we have a diversity of different minds.

[@chasmarischen4459]

SMART move. 'My' opinion; LIFE is all about who can survive the longest, under the best conditions. Thank you. During the Summer I cook outside; using wood in a homemade double-barrel oven. Built with a Barrel Stove Kit.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome and thanks. Very cool about the double barrel oven. I may look into that for more redundancy.

[@lynaryoung7903]

Thanks. I saw this on my feed just in time. Im getting ready to do this on my off grid cabin like this week!

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome

[@chrisruiz1215]

Awesome video. Amazing looking kids reminds me of my daughter's when they were little.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thank you Chris.

[@backdoor5993]

Good post, thanks! I am currently using natural gas, but we may be taking our stove to our second home which is propane so this is very useful information. Your daughters are beautiful! Go Blue! LOL

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Lol, Go Green! Thank you. Glad the info was helpful.

[@lisahoffmann3274]

Great video, this is exactly what we needed. Thanks for the great content.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mattsears8030]

Very cool!! We just got an awesome deal on a gas range and we are absolutely all about multiple sources of reliance. Great video!

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Awesome!

[@paulreins5390]

Check out your local propane costs.

[@mattsears8030]

@paulreins5390 check out what the government is trying to take more control over, electricity. Gas appliances can be way more dependable than an electric stove. You convert it into LP and you can run that stove off of a 20lb bottle. Are you able to run the electric range when the grid goes down during these rolling blackouts were currently experiencing? I'd gladly pay a little extra for propane to know I'm good when the time comes to use it.

[@timcastle6996]

A new use for my ridgid compressor

[@Therabbitmaze-v2j]

Thanks for details on the plumbing parts you may need! That's the toughest part next to crawling into the crawl space where the mice, spiders, salamanders and other curious critters will come over to watch you. Also be sure you have all the tools you'll need, no fun having to crawl back out to get something you forget.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome.

[@Cowboy_Steve]

Sounds pretty well thought out to me! Most people that know what they are doing in the kitchen prefer gas for cooking. I've always had an electric range, so I can't really comment on that lol. There are only 2 of us and honestly the majority of our oven use is done with a countertop convection oven. It is plenty big for a 9x13 casserole dish and works great! So like you said, it's all about options! Thanks for sharing with us 🤠

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks. I love cooking on gas for sure. Convection is also great to cook in. Having options is key.

[@tracker1ify]

Let me know when u find a magnet that will work on brass, because I would love to have it...

[@ramenboy9199]

@@tracker1ify I just put double sided tape in my nut wrenches 😂

[@JWTX]

I changed out my electric oven fir propane about a year ago. I saved my electric oven for when I add on my mechanical room for my solar and water tanks. Will wire it fir stove fir when we get ultimate solar and use during the day when have excess solar power thus saving propane. BTW they are now trying to make an excuse to take away the gas stoves now. All I can say is come and take it...... Jeff

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Very cool. Redundant systems are the best.

[@robertschroeder1978]

Thanks for the video. Heads up though as you might need to switch back to electric soon. Gas Stoves may no longer be allowed by CPSC sometime in the future. Smiles... Thanks again for the Channel and all the hard work putting videos together for all of viewers. Blessings to you and the family.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome

[@davidswihart4333]

We bought that same stove last year. We love it.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Awesome!

[@lindacgrace2973]

Dear Eric, I just stumbled onto your channel (indulging in some binge-watching) and caught your crops for survival. I think you missed a trick: grow amaranth. A single seed packet of amaranth (close cousin to pig weed) will produce pounds of 'grain'. Actually amaranth is tiny seeds, but they're used in cooking like grain and can even be popped like corn. Each towering plant yields 1.5 to 2 pounds of seed, they are stupidly easy to harvest (clip off the seed head and shake it out in a bag, rinse and repeat). The greens are also edible and are excellent in soups and stir-fries. Amaranth is one of the few complete plant-based proteins (like soy) and offer 9 grams of complete protein per half-cup serving. It's terrific as a porridge or as one component of 'seedy' bread. My favorite is "Golden Hopi" an ancient cultivar that grows very well in zone 8. You should check it out. Great channel, keep up the good work!

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Welcome to the channel. We actually did a video on amaranth here....kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHivhWiLl8xlrac. It is a great seed.

[@lindacgrace2973]

@@CountryLivingExperience Oooh, good one! I'll bop right over there.

[@martinkolczyk8208]

I put two induction cook tops on top of my electric stove and it works great saving me a lot of money! Europe and Asia uses them a lot also!

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Yep. We have one as well. It is a great backup system. They work well.

[@martinkolczyk8208]

@@CountryLivingExperience I even ran it on my solar setup!

[@camperjack2620]

Hi, I saw dirt in the crawl space. Lots of building science and my personal experience recommend a really good vapor barrier system. Ground moisture and radon gas come up into your house. Me, I am also a fan of basements.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

I live in rural Texas and this is how the homes were built. It is 45 years old. Radon gas is not an issue here. I am also an Architect. The water table is very high here and nobody builds homes with basements. It is pier and beam or slab on grade.

[@Therabbitmaze-v2j]

Lol, I live in a trailer in Pa with no basement. Trailer flooring is usually made of particle board that rot in about 20 years so you may have to budget for floor repairs.

[@cowboymcq6711]

Perfect timing I’m wanting to switch my dryer as well to gas The heck is elect dryer

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Electric dryer draws a huge load.

[@rickthelian2215]

Just checking are the jets on the stove converted for Propane, as the Jet size are different for natural gas etc.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Yep. I showed the process of changing them.

[@michaelboyle1983]

Thanks and God bless you!

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You’re welcome

[@TessaroDotA]

Thanks for sharing

[@childrenofthesun.542]

Always awesome vids tks for the knowledge. Poeple who know always have backup plan A.B.C .

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome

[@petermoss5341]

Magnetic tool won't work with brass spuds because it is non-ferrous metal. You can wrap your socket with blue tape hanging past the end of the socket so that spud gets stuck on the tape just enough to hold it.

[@AdamDeLayDIY]

Thanks for sharing. Would be very interesting to see even after a month how much propane you end up using. As we slowly convert our place to solar, I've also thought about converting our electric stove and dryer over to propane since we already have the tank installed (and we use our outdoor wood boiler for heat here in MI) but no real uses for it.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

I'll keep an eye on it and try to let everyone know. Like I mentioned, a friend of mind trickled his 500gal for 3 years for his stove.

[@patrickcoyne1292]

it’s not about savings it’s about reliability

[@timcastle6996]

Awsome. Keep up the good work

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks! Will do!

[@fredericktaylor2891]

Your plumber did a good job running your pipe manifold and spur lines with one exception. The second stage regulator is installed improperly. The large, screened opening in the regulator should always be facing down, it is an atmospheric vent that allows the diaphragm under the cap to move and must be placed so that any moisture accumulation can drain. There is also a vent built into the regulator diaphragm to prevent excessive downstream pressures which can damage your appliances and create an unsafe condition. If moisture accumulates on the diaphragm and freezes or the vent freezes over, the regular will not function properly which can have a negative effect in the function of your appliances. Propane appliances operate at a higher pressure at the burners than natural gas and will require the use of a smaller orifice and the appliance regulator adjustment, flipping the plunger usually is the procedure. Natual gas appliances generally operate at a 5-to-7-inch water column pressure, whereas propane is usually 10-to-11-inch water column, depending on the appliance. One thing about high pressure lines from the tank. If the regulator at the tank looks like the one at the house except for it being red, it can be adjusted output wise like the one at the house but should not be adjusted from its factory setting unless there is an issue. Since modern appliances no longer use pilot lights there is no constant draw on the line, all be it was very small. The regulators have a lockup pressure determined by its adjustment where they will remain closed until there is a pressure drop downstream which will cause them to open. Line pressure drops can be caused by temperature drops which will cause the regulator to open. Running excessively high pressures off the first stage regulator can cause vapor on the high-pressure side to liquify, especially if the low pressure side is in an enclosed or relatively warm area, this will cause venting at the second stage regulator, you do not want liquid propane to get downstream of the second stage regulator, it is a very hazardous situation, this doesn't happen often but I have seen it happen as I worked for an LP gas company for 17 years.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thank you. I will ask him about it.

[@AutoTechElectronic]

Eric, we would like to know what your total energy usage for the previos months.(gas, diesel, propane and electricity) and the next months with this propane conversión, thanks Walton G.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

I haven't really had enough time to track everything.

[@SkywalkerPMs]

Thanks for this. We ate building our cabin now, and plan to use propane for dryer and stove. How much have you been using. We also have a on demand water heater that will use propane.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome. We haven't used much at all so far. Gas ranges are super efficient. I think they only use 40 gallons per year. If I only used the stove, it would last me 20 years.

[@solarandwindinsouthtexasda1473]

We have a commercial stove at my house six burners one burner is double we use about a year and a half to two years in a 250 gallon propane tank

[@CountryLivingExperience]

That's awesome. It lasts a long time for sure.

[@charlesjackson1588]

Did you dig a trench from tank to the house?

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Yes

[@charlesjackson1588]

@@CountryLivingExperience nice. Bout to buy a house that's all electric but want to add propane. Great video

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks. It is always good to have redundant systems.

[@bigdaddy2a219]

Warning!!! That green low pressure regulator is supposed to be installed with the vent pointing down to allow for water and moisture to drain out and not freeze in cold weather, causing failure of the diaphragm operation. Can cause catastrophic failure in the pressure regulator and downstream systems. Have this checked by your propane provider.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Was installed by a master plumber from a state that has stricter restrictions than mine. Was no problem for the propane provider either.

[@juliebarnett9812]

I believe totally in redundancy.

[@naps3386]

Why go 1 1/2” black when the supply to that black pipe is only 1/2” copper?

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Not sure. My friend is the plumber.

[@texas2wheeler446]

Great Video thanks for posting/sharing! Is that 2" black pipe? Why so large? If I heard correctly it is fed by 1/2" from the tank. Going by 2 houses I have lived in with Natural Gas and 3 others with Propane never saw black pipe larger than 1" used. Watched your Video as I am looking to Add Propane tank for Generator and eventually go to a Gas stove and hot water heater and maybe when the HVAC system needs replacement go from heatpump to Gas heat.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You're welcome. It is 1.5" black pipe for the main and 3/4" for the two stub outs. My friend Eddie is a master plumber. This is what he recommended. Your install may be different. Good luck with your project.

[@moaski]

With the PV system, I thought it'd be best to go all electric with appliances in order to maximize energy independence and the PV pay-off interval?

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Depends on the size of your system. I mentioned I like redundancy. Multiple sources of energy.

[@moaski]

@@CountryLivingExperience couldn't redundancy come in the form of all-electric, though, too (i.e., more PV or various other types of solar collection, wind, even diesel/gas generators) to help preserve the independence factor of homesteading?

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Sorry, your comment does not make sense to me.

[@moaski]

@@CountryLivingExperience sure, I'll re-word it. I don't mean to give you a hard time either, I'm just curious and learning. Back when you first announced you were installing PV, I questioned why... what was your motivation to do so. Your reply was energy savings (a pay-off period of 16-ish years), but more importantly, independence and self-reliance. I certainly could get behind the "independence" portion of your reply, because that's really a bedrock tenet of homesteading. One could easily argue that you'll never be truly self-reliant or independent, but that's a rabbit hole, and not where I'm headed. However, having NG/LP pretty much ensures you'll always be reliant, and seems like a step in the opposite direction, particularly given other self-reliant options.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

No worries. The payoff for my solar was 4.5 years and is actually less now with the electric company price increases. Independence is important and the solar is helpful to attain that goal. However, in the short term, redundancy is also very important. It I can trickle that propane for years, I will take a lot of load off my solar. At the end of the day, all sources or energy generation are reliant on someone else. Even solar. If my panel efficiency degrades rapidly, my batteries won't hold charge, or my inverter electronics go bad, I am reliant on someone else to resupply me. Even wood. If I cut down all the trees on my property and the new ones I plant are not large enough, I need to find an outside source for wood (heat and cooking).

[@paulreins5390]

What year was this video made??? Propane's cost is insane!! Natural Gas is the cheapest and best way to go right now. I'm in Northern Michigan 2023

[@CountryLivingExperience]

I had the tank installed and filled last year. Propane was $2.50/gal here in TX. We just now hooked up the lines and stove.

[@willbass2869]

I think to really test out the new stove you might want to invite a couple of viewers over for supper just to make sure it's working properly

[@CountryLivingExperience]

LOL

[@ThaiTraveler69]

It's a brass fitting. Brass is a non-magnetic metal. Just be careful not to drop your fittings.

[@julieroe7753]

Go GREEN!

[@Diabeetus46]

That "back flow preventer" is called an excess flow valve just FYI

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Cool. Thanks.

[@thomashetherington8532]

You kinda went overboard of the size of the black iron 1 1/4". Propane installation for the main trunk entering the house doesn't have to suceed 3/4". The vent on your 2nd stage regulator must face down unless it is covered completely.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

My friend is a master plumber who works on commercial projects...so. Are you?

[@BrokenRRT]

The brass spuds are not magnetic

[@kentbrown18]

Thank you Eric for sharing that info. We are planning to get propane tank and a range. I noticed the propane range you installed has a control panel that appears to be lit up. In the event there is no electricity can you still cook on that range? Thanks!

[@CountryLivingExperience]

You’re welcome. With no electricity, you can still turn on the gas and light the burners with a match. If you have a solar system, it’s not an issue.

[@clarencewiles963]

Nice choice on burner. Gas has been going up in price.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks

[@reidcrosby6241]

Of ALL fuel sources propane has increased the least. Around 10% or less. Locally electric here has gone up 40-50%, NG similar. Yes he has solar, but he is likely trying to drop his consumption off his solar.

[@BertrandS.]

After several houses explosion 💥 a couple years ago in western Massachusetts due to a faulty gas line, I have decided to go all electric. After all, electric stoves are cleaner, and less toxic for your indoor air quality.

[@vicschauberger2737]

I'm not sure why you brought 1- 1/4 " black steel pipe to your first fixture branch ? You're just installing a gas dyer and LP gas range , right ? That is way overkill for LP gas pipe sizing ? Of course , I could always , be missing something with your specific installation. Refer to the " Liquid Propane gas line sizing chart in the National Fuel gas code book and you can use the longest run method along with this to size your LP gas lines .

[@CountryLivingExperience]

My friend in the video is a licensed master plumber. This is the material and configuration he suggested. I defer to him since this is not my area of expertise.

[@Tolbat]

Propane stoves dont use hardly any gas, good choice.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks. By my calculation, my tank of propane will last 18 years.

[@stardust-rv7mr]

make sure you have a CO detector.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Have one

[@protofmaster]

For natural gas, or propane appliances, you you shouldn't need a carbon monoxide detector. We've had gas appliances for many decades with no issues. But if it makes you feel better go ahead and get one.

[@jtnh93able]

1 1/4 piping size is insane, even down to 3/4 is overkillThat's commercial size piping.5/8 copper would have allowed plenty of flow for your appliances. Tons of wasted money. This is why you get a professional

[@talltimberswoodshop7552]

Magnetic tools don't work on copper.

[@protofmaster]

The jets would be brass, not copper. But the same concept applies. Magnets only work on iron or steel, or plated steel.

[@talltimberswoodshop7552]

@@protofmaster Are they mostly CU?

[@protofmaster]

I don't know. Brass is composed of both copper and zinc, and they can change the ratios depending on the need of the application. But brass does definitely contain copper. That being said, the difference in color and finish between pure copper and brass quite noticeable. Also, copper tends to oxidize over time more than brass. I've never heard them called spuds or whatever this video names them as. I've always known them as gas jets, or just jets for short.

[@Evirthewarrior]

Just in time for the gas stove ban :)

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Come And Take It! lol

[@SumonRay993]

Dear Sir, I am a citizen of Bangladesh. I have been in this job for 10 years in Bangladesh. Currently, due to gas crisis in Bangladesh, work has stopped for 4 years. Can you help me to find this job in Europe. can find If possible, it would be very good for me because of lack of work, I am in a lot of trouble with my family It would be very useful.

[@Token_Civilian]

Now you're cooking with gas. Sorry....not original. Great episode, as always.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Lol, thank you.

[@Apalm82]

I'm not trying to be an ass but, this is why you should not let plumbers do a gas fitters job. Line going through masonry needs to be sleeved. Never hook up a 2nd stage regulator the way you guys did. It's going to cause problems in time.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Ok. Nothing went through masonry. What is wrong with the regulator? What problem specifically?

[@Apalm82]

@@CountryLivingExperience regulator vent should be facing down. It needs to vent and also drain condensation. In the position that it's in, it won't be able to do that. It looked like your main line was going through foundation. Also you should seriously consider installing a dielectric union at house before line enters structure. This is a code. Any metallic line (copper) that goes underground to a structure needs a dielectric union before it enters said structure.

[@CountryLivingExperience]

Thanks for the heads up.

[@Apalm82]

@@CountryLivingExperience No problem