Instrument Approach Clearances with ATC Communications | Pro Pilot + Air Traffic Controllers

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

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[@Arctonaut]

This is the best IFR approach video I've seen. It is extremely helpful. Thank you.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. There is another video on my channel similar to this one on copying IFR clearances that you may also find helpful. IFR Clearances Explained - Five Clearances with Real Air Traffic Controllers kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHbNfGijr6lriM0

[@NiveK0510]

Thanks for all your help. I’m currently working on my instrument and as you mentioned that the approach clearance is quite difficult when you first start it, and I’m one of the ones that’s struggling. Haha. But with practice, I’ll get better. Again, thanks to the controllers and yourself for putting this video together. Cheers.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I am glad you found this video useful. Practice listening for the parts of the approach clearance you need and just repeat those back. It takes time and practice but becomes quite simple with repetition. Here is similar video that deals with receiving and copying IFR clearances and different types of clearances: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHbNfGijr6lriM0

[@michaelspangler1324]

I love this video, it’s exactly what I need without the fluff.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Great! I try to make my videos 100% fluff free. There is another video like this on the channel about copying IFR clearances. Also free of all fluff.

[@Man_of_man]

I’m international SP in USA. It’s really helpful for me. Thank you👍

[@DrTom1946]

Retired USAF, USN & FAA ATC. 36 yrs. Controllers use “PHAC”. Position, Heading, Altitude, Clearance. PHAC.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Are you a real-world pilot, flight simmer, or both? Did this video help shed light on approach clearances and ATC communications in the approach phase of flight?

[@craggslist]

Real world IR student, practicing approaches the cheap way - X-plane. Trying to get as much practice in while the hobbs is not running

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@craggslist one tip - when practicing approaches on X-Plane, do missed approaches on the majority of approaches flown. Landing from an approach is easy, but doing the missed approach will also help practice setting up the avionics, planning for what comes next, hold entries, and holds. Good luck with and enjoy your IFR training!

[@lyingcat9022]

Private Student, but I’ve been also training on MSFS. Working through all the ratings on Pilotedge (real life ATC operators for the sim). Finished the I-ratings (IFR training missions) now I’m working through the Sky-ratings… they simulate a charter part 135 operation. The IFR flights are all quite challenging and the ATC Guys and Gals do not hand hold or baby sim pilots. They expect you to conduct yourself as a professional and fly as if it were a real IFR flight. If you mess up a procedure they don’t hesitate to fail you on that rating. Which can suck if you just spent 2 hours flying a mission and you have to start all over because one mistake. But certain IFR procedures are burned into my brain from the consequences of failure, repetition of starting over and the embarrassment of screwing up for everyone on the net to hear. It’s quite effective:)

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@lyingcat9022 Pilot Edge is a great product and I’ve used it on the channel in the past. Doing more with Pilot Edge on the channel was a goal, but it never worked out. Good luck with your training!

[@jameneto]

Thank you for all the information you share with us, and for the invaluable tips, recommendations and advices. Very helpful!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

You are welcome. Real-world knowledge that is missing from books are the subjects I really enjoy when making videos like this one and the IFR clearance video.

[@PilotDaveAviation]

Excellent video

[@jamesmahoney6011]

Excellent Video. I can't tell you how many time I have searched google for approach clearance it would keep coming back with Departure clearance. Departure Clearances are much easier when you are on the ground not moving and have time to write down it seems to always follow the CRAFT format. Not so approach clearances. thanks so much for posting.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. There is another video on my channel just like this one with IFR departure clearances IF you want more info after google misguided your searches on approach clearances. You’ll get to the point that nothing has to be written down when an approach clearance is given.

[@garysgroundschool4739]

This is an excellent video. Wish I had it during my instrument training

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. There is another video in this same format on IFR clearances.

[@joeauber7239]

Seriously a fantastic video! Thank you so much!!!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

You are welcome. Here is a video with a similar format on copying IFR Clearances - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHbNfGijr6lriM0 Are you working on an instrument rating?

[@joeauber7239]

Yes, Sir! I’m starting approaches this week! Thanks I’ll check it out!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@joeauber7239 Instrument training is an absolute blast but challenging. Being able to take lessons in bad weather is the best. Start on your instrument written test if you haven't already. You will learn a lot of practical information practicing for the written test. Also, get the Instrument Oral Exam Guide by ASA. It's a red book - you won't miss it. Here are links to both: Oral Exam Guide - amzn.to/43V56Cj IFR Written Prep (Gleim) - www.gleimaviation.com/shop/faatpip/ If you have both of those or your flight school has you buy other programs, you can ignore that part. Those are two items I had all my instrument students get when I was instructing and I used the same materials for my training, even though the IFR Oral Exam Guide was half as thick back then as it is now. Best of luck, enjoy flying IFR, and feel free to ask questions here or on Discord.

[@Maelachlainn]

Love this. Thanks so so much!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

First commenter. Just trying to keep it real. You’re welcome!

[@AllenPortman]

Great information! I did my private pilot training many years ago but quit flying for some reason that I can't remember...but regret that I did now! I just got setup for Vatsim because PilotEdge but they don't cover there area I live --Houston metro area. I am not happy with all the hoops you have to go through to get Vatsim even connecting!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. I enjoy hearing from people who benefit from this video. PilotEdge is a great network but don’t focus too much on not having your local area covered. IFR Comms are the same no matter where in the states you are.

[@AllenPortman]

@@thecorporatepilotdad I was thinking along those lines and would probably be good to push me out of my comfort areas forcing me to have to dig deep into the IFR planning process. As you indicated it isn't so much about the geography per se but the planning, communicating, interpreting, translating, and coordinating all the moving parts to develop and fly a seamless IFR flight. I am very impressed with PilotEdge!

[@mixa290192]

Great info! Thank you

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

You’re welcome. Glad you found this video useful and the Super Thanks is appreciated! There is another video like this one on copying IFR clearances. How to Request and Copy an IFR Clearance | Pro Pilot with Real Air Traffic Controllers kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHbNfGijr6lriM0

[@jimburford4535]

Great

[@haroldcalderon9030]

Excellent

[@OffiicialSteff]

This is very helpfull, could you also make one on VFR communications?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Eventually, I will do more with VFR procedures. A good place to learn more on VFR comms is PilotEdge. If you’re learning to fly it’s a very good way to practice VFR comms with live controllers. There is a fee but it’s not expensive.

[@haydentrozzi264]

I swear I thought that was a real airplane for about 3 minutes 😂😂😭

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between MSFS and real life footage. The communications and procedures are true to life though.

[@calebdegard7759]

@thecorporatepilotdad I'm curious why you chose to use N784TC as the tail number for this demo. I was interested in the aircraft type, and quick Google says that tail number was for a Thunder and Colt hot air balloon that crashed in 2004 during the Albuquerque balloon festival. I'm not trying to troll, just curious if there's some sort of connection or if it's totally random.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

You are the first ask, but the tail number is random. The first two digits are numbers used on multiple training aircraft I flew 20+ years ago and the TC is just short for The Corporate in my channel name.

[@calebdegard7759]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Huh - go figure. An interesting coincidence!

[@DerekTaiwan]

Great video 👍but the aircraft symbol is white over a white background which is hard to see

[@IwinUloze101]

Should be until established on the localizer if it's a ils approach

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

What are your thoughts on the 5G topic? Hey cool Abilene that made me smile! 😁🛫

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

5G was supposed to roll out today or tomorrow, but the last I heard it was delayed so more testing could be done. If I had to guess, I think it will be as exciting as Y2K.

[@Brotherhoodenthouseast]

Hello from ABI

[@5milessep]

As always another great video CPD 😊. Is it worth trying to remember the acronym PTAC - Position, Turn, Altitude, Clearance when receiving an Instrument Approach Clearance?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Honestly, not really. It sounds good on paper to do PTAC, but in my opinion remembering PTAC then trying to read the clearance back is not helpful. It is like the CRAFT acronym in copying a clearance. If a student is learning to write a clearance down and it helps, then sure, do it. When I read a clearance back PTAC isn't even a thought in my head. I say the line and fill in the heading, altitude, and cleared for the approach.

[@5milessep]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Thanks for the quick response. What you have explained makes total sense. I discovered the term PTAC from the Opposing Bases Podcast, hence the question. Much appreciated 👍

[@craggslist]

Is "established" when you are lined up with the needle or when you first start moving the needle?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

This is a definition that will vary depending on who you ask. The Instrument Procedures Handbook says half scale deflection or less is established. The generally practiced definition is when the needle has movement and does not indicate full scale deflection.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Verify the instructions at 4:00 please? You state that you can descend according to the plate. But the instruction was maintain 4,000 until established on the .. ohh on the localizer not the glideslope? I guess that's the key point which my brain just got as typing this lol. Once you are on the localizer (not the GS) then you are free to descend according to the plate.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Correct. When cleared for the approach, the descent down to the next altitude can be made (if there are any other stepdowns prior to the FAF/GS intercept). Once the glide slope is intercepted it will be tracked down to the DA.

[@andyrbush]

Way too fast for learners.