Request and Copy IFR Clearances | Pro Pilot Tutorial with Real Air Traffic Controllers

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

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[@Senor0Droolcup]

I'm a 20yr instrument-rated pilot and clearances are STILL intimidating! Thank you for this: very well done.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Practice and repetition make the intimidation go away. A cheap way to practice clearances is with PilotEdge on any of the major Flight Sims. They use controllers who follow the 7110.65 and for 20 bucks a month to stay proficient on IFR communications, it’s a steal. I do not get paid to say that. It’s a product I’ve tried and it is great for what it is intended to do. Glad you enjoyed the video. That one was fun to make. A video on approach clearances is next.

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

You are giving away all our secrets! Just kidding, I was at DCA back in the 70's Called for the clearance at 10:30 PM, things were slow however the Clearance delivery controller was in 3:30 PM mode. the clearance came back me at 400 knots. DCA to Addison, TX. I Asked the controller if any of that information was important. he responded with of course it is it is your clearance, I responded with slow it down my pencil does not write that fast. he reread the clearance. N O V E M B E R 9 8 R S You Are cleared TO Addison Airport. I think you get the point he read it back real slow! A week later I was back at DCA he remembered the Number when I called again. he laughed and asked what speed should I issue the Clearance? We both laughed he gave me his initials. on the next trip I met with him on his break. We remained incontact for several until he retired.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

That is an awesome story!

[@copter_bob]

Love the repetition here with all the different variables. Great video for folks learning to copy IFR clearances!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you and I’m glad you enjoyed the video. That one took many hours to make but it was worth it. There is another video on my channel with a similar format on approach clearances.

[@NapalmMk47]

Even though I know nothing of aviation, because of the way this video was made, it was informative and interesting. Well done!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Well that is good to hear. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@bobderemer5015]

Good info. Thanks for the breakdown!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@bobderemer5015 you’re welcome. There is another video on my channel similar to this one that covers instrument approach clearances - in case you’re interested: Instrument Approach Clearances with ATC Communications | Pro Pilot + Air Traffic Controllers kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3XNpHRraZ6Bmbs

[@sebastianthehotsaucedude5473]

This is very well made and informative 👏

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It took a lot of time but the time needed to be taken on it. Having real controllers reading clearances made it better.

[@sebastianthehotsaucedude5473]

@@thecorporatepilotdad yes, AI voices just don't resonate with us like a human voice.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@sebastianthehotsaucedude5473 for real ATC in flight sim Pilot Edge is amazing. They are always extending their coverage area. It’s around 20 a month but it brings the sim to life. I love it.

[@OddGoderstad]

Really love this short informative videos :)

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

This one is a longer video and I thought about splitting it up but it's better all together in a single video. Shorter videos will still be coming. There are some in the works.

[@willycanuck]

absolutely incredible vid!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you.

[@youkofoxy]

Every time you said Clearance, I got remind of Airplane characters Roger, Victor and Clearance. It isn't confusing, is just like you are using a different language that makes little sense for a person not used to it like me. And as such, gets easier with practice. I may refer to it, if I ever assembled a flight sim, my experience using keyboard on flight gear was... Full of lithobraking.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Surely you can’t be serious. I love a good airplane quote. Even when we’re flying in real life we refer to airplane quotes.

[@Alpharomeo14]

Currently training at the ATC academy, this is helping me so much. Thanks!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

First, good luck at the Academy. Second, it's great to read a comment like the one you left. If you are on TikTok check out SkyLadyLindsey. She is a controller and we did an interview with her on a podcast I do with another pilot where she talks about going through the Academy and becoming an ATCer. open.spotify.com/show/3CGTyNGt0hGG9nlSDElOlj Good luck on your training at the Academy. Someday you might be reading me an IFR clearance.

[@TBizzleII]

I love how short and sweet your videos are. Concise, clear and to the point, but engaging! Thank you.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

You’re welcome. This is a popular comment. Today, I was reminded of why my videos are to the point after watching a video on a drawing pad that was 27 minutes long but could have been explained in 4 minutes to get the needed answer.

[@firepilot109]

Awesome videos! I got my IFR ticket Monday and your videos really helped! Now I'm re watching a few just for refresher before doing my 1st IFR flights. Now on to commercial. Thanks again!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

First, congratulations on getting your instrument rating. Second, stay proficient by filling IFR whenever you can. Being in the IFR environment helps even for the easiest flights. Good luck with commercial and have fun with it. The commercial maneuvers are the hardest part but also remember you are going to fly like you’re getting paid. Smoothness and professionalism matter.

[@firepilot109]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Thanks! I will see if you have any commercial videos up! I am on flight sim every chance I get to practice. We own a PA32 6/260 and it handles like a tank, cant stall the thing! lol

[@AviatorMark]

Great content! Thanks for posting. Just found your channel because you commented on one of my TikToks! Looking forward to watching more of your videos.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I recognized the profile pic and name right away. There are plenty more on the way and have around 20 ideas written down on paper for future videos.

[@OffiicialSteff]

This is very good! Perfect tutorial.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you very much. There was a lot of information that could have been added but left out to keep it focused towards those who want to understand and practice writing IFR clearances.

[@jessicalarson9514]

This is awesome! I’ve been looking everywhere for something like this! Great job!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. I’m glad you found it helpful. There are plans to do more videos like these with controllers to detail the IFR environment.

[@alejandrogodoy4696]

THANK UUU! Looking for more Guidance

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

Today with PDC it is less busy as it was years ago! but not everyone has PDC. in my early years it was hard to find a dead space on the Clearance Delivery frequency to transmit with out being stepped on or stepping on someone else.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It still gets busy sometimes. PDC is only at 40 or so airports. The clearance now comes via email. It can also be retrieved from an iPad over the major flight planning apps.

[@jakew9887]

Great Video. Thanks

[@theVRpilot]

Great video!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. I am very happy with how it turned out.

[@planelander]

Great video!!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. Glad you found it useful!

[@skreaga]

i tried to get it, i really did

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It is difficult without knowing what all the information in the clearance is and what it pertains to. But you watched and tried so thanks for that!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

What ATC communications during other phases of flight would you like to see in a video(s)?

[@NoDakExpress]

Definitely some faster ATC clearances/comms for exposure :) everything’s fine until it’s a rush with a closed runway and storms in the area. Controllers will be talking fast - I’m sure I can shave a few seconds off that clearance! Had fun with this, reach out anytime!

[@sebastianthehotsaucedude5473]

@@NoDakExpress that's mighty cool of you to come over here my guy. I love your Warthunder videos!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@NoDakExpress I can use your first clearance again for that. It was really fast. Would you believe I once had to ask a controller to repeat the clearance not for speed, but because the pen wouldn’t write?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@NoDakExpress Chant... Make a short, make a short, make a short ;)

[@pgreenx]

Just landed in Boston from KHPN with a 50mph tailwind at 9,000. Got the PA28 ground speed over 200mph; whew..... Excellent and informative video. thanks How about when you transition airspace's? I never know when/if I contact the Center, approach, tower, etc

[@chrisrepp1601]

Great job with the video!!! But thank god for PDC!!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. PDC makes things easy at places like SFO, EWR, etc. I wish they had PDC at every towered field with today’s technology.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Learn about holding patterns and holding pattern entries. Want to know more about holding patterns from an Air Traffic Controller's perspective? Stay tuned until the end of this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIiuindnrNWHopo

[@squid11160]

Thank you

[@Operator_Pirate]

No dak sent me

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I will be sure to let him know :)

[@stephaniesantana5143]

Great job! 🙂

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you!

[@alrightstudios7091]

I like your funny words magic man 🤠

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I like your funny comment.

[@alejandrogodoy4696]

THANK U!!!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Are you working on an instrument rating in the real world or looking for more guidance for VatSim or similar live ATC services when it comes to IFR clearances?

[@Springkid27]

Greetings, Great article and video! I just have a couple of questions, I know that there are several IFR departure procedures including ODP, SID, Climb via, radar departure..etc 1. The ifr clearance/CRAFT mentioned including the craft at a non controlled airport, is the CRAFT part of the odp, Sid, or other ifr departure procedures? Or is it simply just a clearance or a “permission” from act to get into the skys from ATC. 2. Let’s just say I’m at a major busy controlled airport KLAX for example, and I’m using the SID or ODP for my departure, will I need to copy down the a whole bunch of stuff from ATC for the CRAFT as well for my clearance or “permission” to get into the skies from ATC? I assume flying the airlines have a much more easier way like just inputing down all the information in the flight computer system right? And only for general aviation like if I’m flying Cessna 172 part 91 where I have to write down all the bunch of stuff for the CRAFT info? Thank you! Meaning do I need to get an IFR clearance from either a controlled airport and a non-control airport as well? 3. I have heard from different sources including flight insight about the number of flight IFR departure procedures, I’m not sure if this is correct but I will just name the ones that I know below, Please correct me if there any mistakes or any overlaps, thank you. IFR departure procedures 1. SID (3 kinds of SIDs including 1. Pilot-nav SIDs 2. Radar Vector SIDs 3. Hybrid SIDs) 2. OPD 3. CLIMB VIA…SID or ODP 4. Visual Climb over airport, (Not sure if it is the same as number three Climb via…) 5. Vectors Dep 6. Diverse Dep 7. Radar Dep Thank you so much for your help!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

1. When departing a non-towered airport under IFR, ATC will issue a clearance just like the void time clearances at the end of the video. You will hear ATC say "hold for release" or "you are released". The clearance will read the same concerning CRAFT, but ATC has no control of you at the non-towered airport. They are simply making sure you are clear of other conflicts operating under IFR before releasing you. If another airplane is on an approach, they will not release you until the approaching airplane has canceled IFR. The clearance could contain instructions that mimic the ODP, but obstacle clearance is the pilot's responsibility. If you need to fly the ODP and the route is different from the cleared route, communicate that with ATC. 2. At a towered airport, the clearance will be given over clearance delivery and ATC will say "Cleared to XYZ airport, ORCKA5 departure, then the route, and the rest of CRAFT. The SID will have obstacle information via climb gradients required. Sometimes on an RNAV departure, the tower will name the first fix of the RNAV departure to verify the correct SID has been entered into the FMS/GPS for the specific runway that you are departing from. Writing down a clearance is very similar from airport to airport. The biggest differences will be contained in the route. Cleared as filed could be given but an entirely different route could be given, and you will have to copy it all down. Most of the time controllers will go slow and spell the fixes. If they don't, ask them to. 3. There are several different departure types. Despite all that, a heading will be assigned by ATC and then direct to a fix will be given, cleared on course, or if on an RNAV departure like the ORCKA out of LAX, the airplane would be flown to the first fix and no vector would be given but that is where tower will say the name of the fix when the takeoff clearance is given. If doing a VCOA, there are distance parameters involved in how far you can get from the airport and the VCOA has to be requested by the pilot.

[@GrumpyOldMan9]

I don't get why in Europe, with a busier airspace, apparently a single name is enough to identify an entire departure route.

[@Solariumopa]

NODAK!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

He’s in there.

[@Solariumopa]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Yep :)

[@agileninjanerd]

So I am currently studying for my written exam and at 11.5 hours. About two flights from my solo (pending a move and new flight school to attend) upon completion of getting my PPL certificate, I will be transitioning to working on my commerical through liberty university affiliate program. Do you think it's a good idea to start training on core concepts of IFR, multi engine in MSFS2020 at the moment or just continue doing VFR until that point. It seems that MSFS is very beneficial for IFR flying more than anything. I enjoy VFR in the game but it's no where near real life. That is for the channel and subscribed to help me get to R-ATP in 4.5 years prior to retirement from the Army.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It would be wise to stay focused on topics out of the Private Pilot ACS. Make sure you're well versed in topics like airspace, systems of the airplane you're flying (any everything else in the POH), weather, reading METARs/TAFs, studying the Private Pilot Oral Exam Guide book by ASA, etc. If you want to use MSFS for beneficial training and VFR flying that will apply to what you will do as a student and private pilot, look into PilotEdge to practice talking to ATC. If you're training at a controlled airport, then maybe not or if you want more practice talking to ATC, it is highly worth it for 20 bucks a month. The Los Angeles area is busy and practicing VFR flights with live controllers from your own PC will be beneficial. IFR flying is enjoyable and a new challenge but use your time to build on topics for the Private Pilot check ride vs trying to learn how to do holds and approaches. That is my 2 cents.

[@agileninjanerd]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Thank you! Greatly appreciated advice

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@agileninjanerd you’re very welcome. Feel free to ask questions/advice any time.

[@agileninjanerd]

@@thecorporatepilotdad thank you I really enjoy your explanation and KZbin shorts. I jumped on pilots edge and botched a few times. I was corrected on verbiage. I am too use to ground radio army lingo and said "Roger, that is a good copy" and the gentleman corrected that and said that isn't phrase used in aviation. My issue is I been flying at an uncontrolled airspace for over a year and moving to a place that will have controlled airspace. So kind of nervous about that.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@agileninjanerd PilotEdge will help a lot with phraseology. It’s not their place to teach but if they have time they will. You’ll be more comfortable with ATC in the real world after practicing on PilotEdge. You can look up phraseology In the Aeronautical Information Manual then script out what you want to say using proper verbiage and then practice in PilotEdge. Keep practicing and keep getting your feet wet and talking to ATC will become second nature.

[@fredmucio9822]

You don't discriminate

[@pilotdad2417]

do you Live in lakeland? I do ! I fly out of Klal and kzph

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I do not but I’ve been there a few times.

[@idkstillme4100]

What about DRAFT?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Never used DRAFT. I write the clearance as it is given. CRAFT doesn't even enter my mind when copying a clearance. Writing CRAFT is like training wheels. Use it in the beginning.

[@idkstillme4100]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Affirm, btw your discord server is really nice. But it looks like the perms isn’t fixed yet

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@idkstillme4100 What are the perms?

[@idkstillme4100]

@@thecorporatepilotdad you can for example set that people can’t speak at rules, and announcements

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@idkstillme4100 someone helped me set it all up. We made it rather basic. Permissions can be changed as it is used more. I’ll look into it. Was there a text channel you were trying to post in?

[@idal6199]

All good infor. but speaking too fast.