Intel vs AMD: Strengths & Weaknesses Of Each Platform

[@Phenom98]

Mentioning MSRP and current market price is a great idea. I don't know why they don't do it everywhere. Great job guys

[@MrDanisve]

Cause marked prices vary from region to region, person to person etc. And not what the focus is. I see US marked have shortage of something, while i can easy find it here in Norway etc. Same when none in US could get GPUs back in the crypto boom, i found alot of GPUs in Europe to build my miners. Sure markeds in Europe was effected aswell, but they were not as crazy as the US/North American marked.

[@Intelwinsbigly]

Because msrp for intel is batch pricing, which is only paid by people buying pallets of processers.

[@ElonSmallPP]

My guy, if you're going to co-host a video you have to contribute more than "Hmmmm, interesting. What else?"

[@The_Pink_HUNTer]

Haha... so true! He just shake hes head and make some expressions... if i would talk with someone that react like this i would immediately stop talk to him...

[@mikaelbiilmann6826]

Hahahaaa, his facial expressions… hmmm, ok… hmmmm… aaahhh… hmmm… 😂 I can’t unsee it… so distracting…😂

[@ElonSmallPP]

@@The_Pink_HUNTer at that point, just don't be in the video. Either contribute or stay off camera

[@erikhendrickson59]

That's the classic Gordon

[@elisabettajdj335]

typical white kid who does group work with the asian kid, whity just freerides and somehow asian kid gets a worse grade

[@pmknmash]

currently planning an all AMD AM5 build. Going to be a huge upgrade to my current fx-9590 + gtx 1050 prebuilt. I've been running my current pc for about 5 years, and it's certainly starting to show its age. excited for the new generation!

[@pmknmash]

most noticeably I'll be going from an HDD as my main boot drive to a gen4 nvme. I'll also be going from 8gb ddr3 to 32gb ddr5

[@TheGulfryd]

nice upgrade

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

Just get Intel?

[@Raven.Bloodrot]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 if you're In the market of AM5 it makes little sense to go with Intel imo.

[@pmknmash]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 I can see the benefits of intel's 13th gen, but I want to build a PC on a platform that has a long future. AM5 will last until 2025 or even 2026, which means in 2-3 years I can do a drop-in upgrade for my cpu. if I go intel I would have to upgrade cpu, motherboard, and possibly ram if I save money on ddr4 now. I'd rather spend a bit more future proofing

[@Tugennov]

Awesome work (as always). Thanks for the video. - Article/video idea: price tracker on next-gen AM5 compatible motherboards and next-gen RAM vs. past gen. I'd love to know when it financially makes sense to jump forward with an all-new build (not an upgrade).

[@localbraddah07]

I replaced my Ryzen 5 5600x with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and the upgraded gaming performance experience has been simply AMAZING! As for productivity, I don't do much besides simple internet browsing, KZbin and some simple video editing in DaVinci Resolve and the 5800X3D is just fine for those kind of tasks. Once those 7000X3D CPUs come out, I'm sure they are going to be hot sellers as well!

[@clockhanded]

Interesting. I didn't plan on upgrading from a 5600x except to the AM5s when they start making sense. I still think I'd get far more performance from upgrading my rx 5600 xt to an rx 6800. Gaming at 1440p allows for alternating between upgrading CPU and GPU when staying cheap

[@Theworthsearcher]

@@clockhanded Of course because you have a GPU bottlenack, except if you play at 720p.

[@tilapiadave3234]

5800X3D ,, WAY overpriced AMD SHILL cpu

[@rickwhittaker2525]

@@tilapiadave3234 you really are a little Intel fanboy. You pass your time slamming every positive comment about AMD cpus. Your entitled to your undocumented opinion, but you should at least tell us why Intel is "so awesome and AMD is so bad".

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@rickwhittaker2525 Rick with the tiny D....k ,, Why would you say such LIES Ricky boy. From the last 14 PC's I recommended and built for my customers 9 where AMD based ,, 6 x r5 5600 (non x ) ABSOLUTE bargain price now , and 1 5700x , 1 x 5600g and 1x 5700g also currently priced very well. "Undocumented opinion" ,, WOW documentation required , I did not read that in ANY of the youtube rules. Perhaps you can show links to that necessity. Maybe you should look at some EXCELLENT youtube channels ,, Lets say HARWARE UNBOXED , they recently did a BEST of 2022 awards ,, had numerous catagories and guess what ? The 5800X3D won NONE of them ,, didn't even win the new award for best upgrade CPU. Then maybe take a quick look at GAMERS NEXUS ,, also did their 2022 AWARDS ,, WOW 5800X3D again FAILED to wing ANY award

[@Druac]

Just finished my 13th gen i9 initial setup and burn-in on the test bench and getting it ready to put in my Lian-Li desk later today now that I have it emptied of my old 6th gen/1080 system. My old 6th gen i7 system is going on the test bench (Open WorkBench V2) in the man-cave once I have the new beast up and running in the desk. Moved from a TUF Z170 Sabertooth with i7 and a 1080 to a Maximus Z790 Hero with i9 and an Asus Strix 3080ti....loving the upgrade.

[@zzzaaalll]

Power consumption is at peaks 🤣

[@auritro3903]

i think you should have gotten an i7, its a way better deal imo, unless you REALLY need those cores

[@Superior85]

I ended up getting the Core i5 13600K for $300 and overclocked each core by at least 300 MHz, paired it with a $150 Z690 motherboard, re-used my old RAM and overclocked it to DDR4 4000 with tightened timings to make up for some of the DDR5 performance difference. Overall this might be one of my best upgrades in terms of cost and the performance uplift vs. my previous machine.

[@yanosjr]

Which MB did you end up with ?

[@legeaux1]

Sadly no ungrade path

[@squatch545]

Do your house lights flicker when you start it up?

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@legeaux1 only upgrade path will be the 13900k/ks and the raptor lake refresh ive been reading about.

[@SlimedogNumbaSixty9]

AMD fanboys make amd look bad. If you're running 4000 cl14/15 in gear 1 you are beating ddr5 7000 cl32 in most games

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

For me, the decision making is simple. Given my modest needs, I buy the superior product positioned in the mid-range which usually always means going with the under-dog. Sure, lots of people make fun and scoff at products they view as "budget" or for "poor people" but I personally love the feeling of owning a PC (or anything else) that performs the same as one with equivalent parts from competing brands all while costing 50%+ less. I take pride in that; I paid way less for the same result.

[@lightward9487]

No me gusta AMD pobre como King Kong pero Intel es único como Godzilla fue conocido de los núcleos más suficiente que menos AMD

[@Don_Akane89]

Basically this. You really only need what fulfills your need even if its something you can get for cheaper but performs more or less the same for your needs. For instance, I see a lot of unnecessary recommendations by people in general especially on the GPU end. Unless you're playing all the AAA games above 1080p & 60 frames, a very modest GPU can get you very far. Could say the same for CPUs as well.

[@Qasz]

That means you're adult and you know how money is hard to come by. 👍🏻👏🏻

[@Nr15121]

Those people are idiots lol

[@scpk2246]

hi guys, question: Why is INTEL 01 Widely used in corporate world up until now 02 Company's don't even shut down the computer for long weeks (e.g. 5 weeks or so) and it doesn't even hang -does it mean Intel is much sturdy than Ryzen? -expert / unbias opinion please, thanks

[@mockier]

Being able to buy a Socket AM5 board in 2025 is a big selling point for me. I usually don't upgrade the CPU, but I have had motherboards partially fail on me (eg audio or USB stops working). Happened on my last I7 system and I had to get a second hand refurbished motherboard. I prefer buying new. Or maybe I need PCI-E 5 slots for GPU in a couple years. I couldn't afford the motherboard with that right now, and there's no GPU's on the horizon that will need PCI-E 5. But being able to replace the MB later IF I need to is super handy, and will save having to also replace a CPU just to support a new GPU.

[@SiriuslyAndrew]

I think something to note is this is the first gen of Ryzen 7000 on this platform. I expect the performance to grow dramatically as it matures. And when Intel launches their new platform I'd expect to see similar teething issues for the first gen.

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

The only MB fails I've experienced are always the onboard ethernet adaptor.

[@infinitephotons6346]

I built an AM4 based pc in 2017, nearly 6 years later im still using it though i've upgraded the ryzen 1700 to a 5600 on the same motherboard. If I was looking to buy again today I wouldn't hesitate to start an AM5 build, best long term value.

[@tsmspace]

well, I bought a b660 and a 12400 not terribly long ago, thinking I might buy a 13600k when they came out, which I then did do just recently. I did notice an impact while recording my video game on OBS, where with the 12400 I would experience some frame drops, but with the 13600k they are much more rare, instead of frequent it is once ever in a session. (low resolution, definitely not a graphics card issue). However, that is the only time I've so far noticed any difference, and were I not trying to record my videogame, it would have been a total waste, as otherwise things like chrome, any games I play, etc. already reached 88mph at maximum survive-able g's on the 12400. As a home-pc user, I think you can't possibly go wrong with either selection.

[@Akkbar21]

The 13600k is very similar to my 12700k. I’m very happy with it.

[@tsmspace]

@@Akkbar21 I see your point,, my 3 is one bigger than your two, but your 7 is one bigger than my 6 , so really we both have 9

[@tsmspace]

oops!! plus one,, we both have 10!

[@Akkbar21]

@@tsmspace I meant they are very similar in perf. But that too I suppose :) ya goof ball

[@tsmspace]

@@Akkbar21 lol. I know. I actually was interested in the 12700,, but was like,,, no ,,, I buy the 12400, and then the 13600k when out. ( I was using as many old parts as possible, so only 650w psu, for example_\

[@jjw6961]

Currently have a Ryzen 2600 in my build and chose to upgrade to a 5800x3D rather than build a DDR5 rig. All of my work and general use is done on my iMac, so the 5800x3D has been an amazing performance boost for gaming. Especially for unoptimized games like Escape from Tarkov where my FPS jumped almost 50% to 120FPS on a 3060 before I even upgraded to a RX 6800. I think I can easily squeeze another 4 years out of this rig.

[@SuperFredAZ]

I agree with Gordon (Usually do) that you should get the chip with graphics especially for trouble shooting. It is extremely useful to be able to plug a monitor into the mb with no graphics card, which lets you know whether you have a mb issue or gpu issue, it's so convenient, for very little cost. Of course the quicksync is valuable too.

[@user-jw6yh4ev4n]

or just have a cheap, spare GPU?

[@bigflx2754]

That’s an option, but a significantly less convenient one

[@JS-wl3gi]

I started with Ryzen 1600x then upgraded to a 8 core 3700x 3.5 years later, really happy with the performance and lower power, I missed out on getting a RTX during the 2020 on. The cost and the headaches of a all build is not in the card right now. I am not starving for computing power by no means. A lot of the computer places around me are 80% gone and that has me worried about the tech.

[@TheFalxY]

Unless you really want to use raytracing and eat a big fps dip, it's best to use an AMD gpu with the AMD cpu because of Smart Access Memory. It increases the performance by 20% or so, not to mention the AMD gpus are much cheaper and in most cases better than the equivalent Nvidia cards in non RT even without Smart Access Memory.

[@rickwhittaker2525]

I've had 5 amd computers... 4.AM4 and 1 AM5. I've enjoyed being able to easily upgrade all of them... 1 x370, 1 x470, 1 x570 1 B550 and 1 x670e. It allows me to easily pass on my old stuff to family. My daughter has two 12 core systems. She does 3d animation. My wife has an 8 core. I have the 7950x which with the right tuning it's memory is at 59 ns latency and 93 mb/sec at 6400mhz. It boosts to 5800 mhz and consumes 200 watts max. I bought it for 635 euros (including the 19% tax). I paid that for the 5900x in 2020. I live in Europe and electricity is expensive. It's just nice to know that I can drop a new or used 5th gen into the AM4 systems when ever I need to. I may even go to the 3d cache version of the 7950x if the price is right. If I was looking for a mid-range processor I'd probably look at Intel, but at the high end the 13th generation does not interest me or even the low end. You can find a relatively cheap AM5 board now. You can can find cheaper ddr5 6000 memory. I found a x670e motherboard, 32 gigs of 6000mhz ddr5 and a 7950x for 1100 euros. I could have knocked of an extra 100 if I'd gone for a b650 motherboard.

[@earthtaurus5515]

That is some mighty fine tuning on the 7950X 👍🏽👍🏽. The longevity of AM4 and AM5 is why I went AMD as well for every PC I've built from last year. The in socket upgrade is amazing especially when all you need to is just update the bios on a motherboard and then hand it down. Still tuning my 7950X and i think I've got it to the perfect sweet spot (Max CPU package consumption is 160 watts with CCD 1 never exceeding 87 degrees c and CCD2 at 82 degrees c - CPU thermal limited to 80 degrees and boost limited to 5500 all core) for my use case. Considering I'm having to forgo some cooling performance of the Arctic 360 Liquid Freezer 2 due top mounting the fan due to clearance issues with the VRM heatsink over the rear I/O on the X670E crosshair (therefore pulling air through the radiator, with the other 2 fans pushing air through). If it wasn't for that little snag I could push the CPU a little higher in terms of boost. Handed down my AM4 rig (32gig b-die) to my sibling and upgraded the CPU from a 2700X to 5600X as a starter CPU. Later I'll upgrade it to a 5950X as the PC is going to be used for animation and illustration as well. The 2700X and 5600X will later be put into lower end motherboards with cheap, low end ram and handed to other family members with the CPUs voltage locked at 1.3 volts as both have been undervolted and will continue to be run undervolted for the whisper quiet performance whilst doing the basics and light gaming as my RX590 and RX480 will be handed down as well. The beauty of AM4 allows people to build high performance PC at relatively little cost if using X370. The only relative downside is that since most people ran their CPUs stock without undervolting - second hand CPUs off ebay will have stability issues if people try to undervolt them. Edit: i have to say though, for anyone using a motherboard with more the 2 m.2 sockets populated and using motherboard m.2 nvme heatsinks. There is heatsoak issues under all core work loads -especially around the CPU area on the rear of the motherboard - as that area heats up. SInce most cases have ssd mounts below this area and this is also around the area where m.2 nvmes are placed on motherboards. You will have instability issues with ssds as that area gets ridiculously warm. I have a H500m with 200mm fans as intake and I've had this issue when running VMs and gaming (this will be a non-existent issue with lower / mid range CPUs but for people who actually have workloads that hammer the cores constantly at 100% or so it will be issue). It got so bad that I had to change the placement of the ssds away from that area.

[@YordanHristooov]

I started with x570 and 3900x that after 3 years I swapped with 5800x3d for mmo gaming because I don’t edit anymore. Such an easy upgrade and big gains just by swapping cpu

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

Just get an Intel lol

[@Typhon888]

I’m getting 28 ns on i9 9900k Danny that high latency. That the one reason I never went Ryzen.

[@tilapiadave3234]

Electricity is expensive ,, so YES you should get the INTEL because in REAL life usage it uses LESS power

[@castrojosua]

Great video, I am currently studing hardware electrical engineering and was asked to do a project on processors, not knowing much about computers from a performance level, this video helped me very much understand the difference between the two and their decades long rivalry

[@tsuna0215]

Very insightful for a general overview, you should do this for amd vs nvidia too

[@wesbaumguardner8829]

I'm hoping they release the 7000x3d series soon. I want to see if that is competitively priced.

[@PRIMEVAL543]

Im hoping they release them to see if their temps are even worse and if they even work that well under load. They underclocked the 5800x3D because of temps. 7000x series temps are already through the roof... Feels like watching a sky diver with a burning parashoot ngl... like... 7000xt series also extremely underperformed. dont get me wrong, im an AMD fanboy. I wanted to get a 7700xt but if it really has just 8gb vram its an absolute no go...

[@ZEN43D]

If it beats intel in gaming i don't think it will be competitively priced!

[@pcdog8903]

Should know more at CES about 10 days from now!

[@MIBxSpartan]

I got the 7900x and its been great. Will probably hold out for a few generations to upgrade again unless the X3D parts are just nuts

[@wesbaumguardner8829]

@@MIBxSpartan Was thinking about getting the 7900x. What kinds of frame rates are you getting?

[@btmedic04]

I havent seen the competitive landscape this close since maybe the race to 1ghz between the Pentium III and Athlon. its great to see and will be talked about for years to come. regarding my plans, im currently sitting on a ryzen 9 5900x on an asus rog crosshair viii impact and 32gb of ddr4 3600c14. I dont need an upgrade, but i would be lying if i said that i wasnt considering a 7000 x3d part when they launch

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

be patient... wait for 8000 series =)

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@michaelmcconnell7302 Use your brain and wait for 14th gen

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

@tilapia dave it's looking like meteor lake isn't going to be for desktop, only laptop hardware.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

Plus I run 13th gen i7 so I'm probably gonna wait for panther lake...maybe arrow, depending.

[@Bixxlol]

Another advantage for AMD on AM5 is the gaming performance on the Ryzen 5 and 7 being very similar to that of the flagship Ryzen 9, meaning you don't have to go for the top of the product stack if all you are interested in is the best gaming performance. Whereas Intel typically segments their stack with noticeable deltas in single core / lightly-threaded workload performance. It seems wasteful to me, gaming on a productivity monster, when all I really need is 6 or 8 cores... but I also want the best possible gaming experience. In the past that meant buying an i9, but now I can have that on an 7600X or 7700X.

[@todddominoes9862]

Maybe. It also depends on the type of games you play. Neither brand is a poor choice though.

[@Bixxlol]

@Todd Dominoes I don't mean to say that the 7600X/7700X outperforms the i9 13900K in all games. But simply that if you are going with an AM5 build, the R5 and R7 will still get you within a couple percent of R9 performance in games. In some cases like Far Cry 6, the 7700X is actually faster than the multi CCX parts.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

Its the opposite

[@tilapiadave3234]

LMAO ,, the advantage of AMD is that they can be thrown in the rubbish and replaced with a vastly superior intel :)

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

@@tilapiadave3234 facts right here

[@1.0xY.m0r0n]

Crazy that the "bottom end" intel chip still has 14 cores dude... we've come a long way in just 5 years. My first build was an i7-7700k which was the "high end" gaming chip and had a whopping 4 cores that boosted to 4.7ghz. Upgraded to the 10 core i9-7900X from Intel which OCd to 4.7ghz all core. Just upgraded from that to AM5 with the 7950X and it's been really nice. All that just reaffirms how much I love building computers and seeing the leaps that have been made in core count/clock speeds is awesome!

[@merphistorealbot]

my first build is i5-4670k, oc to 4.1ghz stable and that lasted me 9 years until I upgraded to i7-13700k. its amazing to see that the E-cores clock speed is higher than the 4670k cores even after OC

[@Matt-mh5ud]

Technically it's 6 full cores with 8 helper cores.

[@todddominoes9862]

i5 2500k with a gtx 9800 4gb of DDR3.

[@technolucas3720]

Just upgraded to AM5 with a 7950x and DDR5 ......awesome performance and looking forward to those v-cache parts!!

[@zzzaaalll]

+1

[@TheSlowDude]

I built a Intel i5 12400 on a Asus rog strix b660-f (external clock generator) for it's OC capabilities. Intel Arc a770 16gb delivers gaming performance better than expected, specially for the asking price compared to team green or red in Spain.

[@todddominoes9862]

The Arc GPUs are moving along nicely.

[@Greggozzo]

Really great overview of CPU market. Thanks for that. It helps a lot to plan CPU upgrade and learn about the potential each platform offers.

[@milohajek]

Happy New Years Adam and Gordon. You Gents are rocking and knocking out some great videos towards and into the new year, THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO!!! And Gordon, all that testing on the other video did not go to waste, it for one, confirmed that i DO NOT NEED to move into Windows 11 Pro, Thanks again.

[@ShredBird]

You mention Smart Access Memory (SAM) working better with AMD, but you can enable SAM on a Radoen GPU on an Intel platform that support ReBAR as well. Is there quantitative evidence that this feature works better on an AMD platform vs. Intel w/ ReBAR?

[@tonyngo2878]

Wow, guys, it's been about a decade since I've really paid attention and this video is, hands down, one of the best videos that explains the current chip architecture between the rivaling duo

[@datapro007]

As o0thers have suggested, the 5950x at sub $500 is a nice upgrade for a lot of AM4 users. The 5900x is $340. So you might be able to get a big upgrade for not too much money, depending on what CPU you are currently using.

[@sailirish7]

I'm waiting for the 7950X3D :)

[@benjy117]

If you use a workstation, yes. You can get a 10900k for $300 right now. An extremely good cpu all around and is faster in many games compared to Ryzen 5000. If you just want to game then get a 5600 non x. If you game in 1440p (which is what most should be doing now days) a 3070 will be fine with a 5600. I wouldn't go any higher than a 3070 with a 5600 or a 6800XT with a 10900k. (which is what I use although I paid $1300 for a 6800XT at microcenter in Feb)

[@HomeAloneGaming1]

@@benjy117 if you are a competitive gamer then you "shouldnt" be gaming at 1440p. competitive gamers want CPU performance at 1080p...there is no standard b/c you say there is a standard you just dont know

[@startingbark0356]

@@HomeAloneGaming1thats some entry level studying laptop resolution right there

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@sailirish7 Sell your car and your house as down-payment

[@samsonadeboga223]

I've been longing for this kind of video for long. Thanks for this

[@BrianGlaze]

This is good content. I love to see a breakdown of pros and cons.

[@technologicalelite]

Straight off to the bat and unbiased, love it! Subscribed!

[@singular9]

To this day everyone is being paid by intel. The Anti AMD bias went from "its bad" to "meh". And for most people "meh" to "alright" makes a huge difference.

[@technologicalelite]

@@singular9 what in the conspiracy? 🤣

[@milohajek]

I went with DDR5 on my i9-12900KS on the newest Z690 Gigabyte board, and thats keeping in mind that i have 128GB of Corsair Vengeance LPXDDR4 on my RMA'd Z390 Aorus Master, I still need a i7-9700K or a i9-9900K (KS), for that setup, its been a rough year (2022), and i STILL NEED a new GPU, have a contest for the new year ;)

[@HappyHubris]

I just built with a Ryzen 7700X on AM5 and am shocked that no one mentions the slow boots. With fast boot enabled, it takes about 35 seconds to post!

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodjinx]

I think it's worth noting that upgrading to Intel is currently roughly $200-300 vs and if you have ddr4 and are looking at the lower end of the budget. Amd is more expensive, but you can buy now then buy again at the end of am5 lifespan and you end up saving money

[@KaosArbitrium]

I hate when people call the intel chips "sixteen cores" instead of "eight plus eight cores." It gives a lot of bad information for viewers, especially people who haven't been keeping track of the CPU space these last couple years.

[@AutomotiveFusion]

We are talking here about top tier parts which are only required by a small % of people who have very demanding workloads. Great review! Or for the folks who want to have always have the latest and greatest which gets out dated pretty fast!

[@sander373]

One thing not mentioned is latency. Intel has better latency overall and AMD has higher data output. May be apples to oranges but I personally prefer the lower latency. Didn't seem to matter much after I got a 905p in each system tho.

[@DeepFriedLettuce]

After the new year, I'll be building an editing rig for our videographer at the office. He's using the Adobe suite and a couple other applications that he is familiar with, and I find myself struggling whether or not I'm going to go intel or AMD for the CPU and whether or not I should give AMDs GPU a shot if I go AMD for the CPU. That's assuming that I don't get a Nvidia quadro GPU. The budget should be ~$3,000. The user is insisting that he has 64GB of RAM minimum. While I find myself wanting to give AMD a shot for this rig, I'm not sure if I would trust a stability of an all AMD rig using the Adobe suite.

[@christianpaulroldan4010]

Thank you for this video ive learned something. Its really hard to decide which one to chose.

[@yellowflash511]

Longevity is the biggest reason I'm going AMD. Just built a 7600x + XTX system and will upgrade to whatever X3D chip comes out. What's interesting is over here 7600x was a bit cheaper than the Intel competitor and the XTX was a whopping 400 bucks less than 4080. Edit: typo

[@francoisdubois80]

I just went through a price configurator and compared Intel 13th gen with Ryzen 7000 (DDR5 systems to level the playing field) and you are absolutely right ... AMD is now cheaper as well.

[@ssssaa2]

@@francoisdubois80 R5 is cheaper than i5 but it should be given that the i5 is stronger than the R7 cpu, let alone R5.

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@francoisdubois80 where? ryzen 7000 costs similar but boards are more expensive.. you only need a cheap z690 with intel to hit ddr5 6000+ with ease...

[@erichagen3617]

The guy from FrameChasers tested SAM by taking a 7900XTX and comparing equivalent AMD and Intel CPU’s and *in gaming* Intel still pulled ahead.

[@erichagen3617]

@@tacticalsneakers1342 yeah, he doesn’t have 50k subscribers but his content is good

[@TheBURBAN111]

@Tactical Sneakers the person who isn't biased towards amd thats who.

Missed a comparison of how many cpu/chipset lanes the platforms have.

[@danielshatford2302]

I have gone down the X670e path with a 7700x with the idea of replacing the 7700x near the am5 platform end. Also I have just retired my old intel 2600k sandybridge after 12 years of continuous desktop use to a true nas server So what ever system I went for was a massive upgrade

[@Psythik]

I went with AM5 and a 7700X for the same reason. I plan on upgrading to the final and most powerful CPU that is available in 2025 (or whenever AMD kills off AM5), about a year after it comes out. That way I can get it for a decent sale price and made up for the fact that I spent *way* too much on my motherboard. EDIT: BTW my last PC had an i5-4670K. It was nearly a decade old by the time I finally retired it!

[@gerrypi51]

What is your recommendation for the following two applications: DaVinciResolve 4K (clips 10-bit / 4:2:2 / 600 Mbits) and MS Flightsim? with GPU 4080 /16GB

[@David-qf9gp]

Very good evaluation! Thank You, David

[@gorky_vk]

Sometimes I have feeling like Gordon didn't even try to run 13th gen on DDR4. He constantly from video to video present that support as advantage ignoring performance loss that came with that. It's ok when we talk about entry level CPUs (which mostly aren't out still) but suggesting someone to buy $300-500 CPU and then left almost all gain over older generation on table to save $100 on RAM?

[@dominictolentino3238]

Thanks for the video. How about lower-end CPUs such as intel processor/icore 3 and amd athlon/Ryzen 3? Are they good for light gaming?

[@bersk8]

Thank you for this insightful video guys. I work as a manga assistant using clip studio paint and lately I've been thinking to upgrade my PC. CPU: Ryzen7 3700x MoBo: B450m steel Legend Ram: 64gb ddr4 3200mhz cl16 GPU: rtx2060ko ultra This PC has been serving me very well but when I need to free transform multiple level or playing around with vectors I come across a lot of stuttering and dead times. I know that clip studio uses mostly a single core and that the GPU is used only when 3D models are adopted. Would upgrade to the i5 13600k help me case scenario?

[@bersk8]

@@pcworld Hey, thanks for the reply👍

[@rajidlake9041]

I want to go with AMD for the advantage of being able to upgrade my CPU in the future but, I saw a video that showed the new AMD chips take long to boot and get to windows so it kind of got me on the intel fence

[@tilapiadave3234]

LMAO ,, are you suggesting you CANNOT upgrade Intel??? Or are you using the MAD shill about being incapable of swapping a mobo?

[@malcolmjelani3588]

@@tilapiadave3234 $$$

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@malcolmjelani3588 Pffffft

[@SantoValentino]

I went with the 13600k and 3200 DDR4 and since I’m a really smart guy, I turned on XMP. I didn’t overclock the cpu because I’m not a really smart guy.

[@deuswulf6193]

Intel nailed it this generation, especially with the price to performance of the 13600k. I built one system with the 13600k already, and it performed great. These intel cpus do run a bit hot though. Its just not worth it to grab an AMD this generation, unless AMD can pull a magic trick with some 7000 series 3D v-Cache model, especially if its decent at production related tasks as well.

[@Theworthsearcher]

Except if you want to upgrade later. AM5 has a better upgrade path and no need for new windows and new install...

[@deuswulf6193]

@@Theworthsearcher That's a silly excuse some people make in order to choose the AMD platform over intel. Its just not a good reason to do so. Are you someone who upgrades their CPU every few years? Most people will not do this, and those that do can easily replace a motherboard at the same time as a new CPU. Is it about saving money? If so, then going with AM5 with DDR5 at this point in time is not nearly as cost effective as Intel's 13600k LGA 1700 and the option of DDR4 or DD5. There is not much in performance gain or loss between either, and there may not be a significant boost in performance any time soon. AMD will have to show us what their next lineup of 3D v-cache CPUs are capable of... and at what price. Keep in mind AMD's AM4 socket came out towards the end of 2016, that's about 5 years for that generation. Its likely we will see the same with AM5. Intel's Meteor Lake’s LGA 1851 socket has either been canned or pushed back to some time after 2024, so at most we will probably keep seeing refreshes of Raptor Lake for the next few years. New install of windows? You don't have to do that haha. Just keep using the SSD you have the OS installed on, and hook it into the upgraded system (this may or may not require you to take one additional step in the bios).

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@Theworthsearcher Intel DETROYS AMD ,, so what is issue with upgrade when NOT needed for several years.

[@todddominoes9862]

@@tilapiadave3234 Who's paying you? g

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@todddominoes9862 My cutomers pay me ,, the customers that ask me to inform them and warn them regarding AMD SHILL lies and manipulations. And BEFORE you stat you rubbish ,,, of the last 14 PC's i built for clients many have been AMD based , example the NOW excellent priced r5 5600 (non x)

[@alexskywalker888]

I think a huge talking point was missed here; gaming. They are nearly equal in that regard, but the longevity of AM5 vs 1700 makes it a total win now that the former cut CPU prices and DDR5 is getting insanely cheap (regular sales for 32GB 5200-5600 for $100-120).

[@tilapiadave3234]

DDR5 is INSANELY expensive ,, AMD mobo's OUTRAGEOUSLY priced ,,,

[@malcolmjelani3588]

@@tilapiadave3234 get a job

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@malcolmjelani3588 Dear bludger ,I did my fair share 42 years working NEVER saw a single unemployment cheque.

[@malcolmjelani3588]

@@tilapiadave3234 get a life

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@malcolmjelani3588 LMAO ,, get educated

[@Everyday-man]

i have Ryzen 9 5900 CPU and Nivida RTX3070 GPU, they seem to pair really well, I've noticed a overall better temperature compared to when i used intel with Nivida.

[@Janosuk]

Just upgraded from a Ryzen 2700x to a i9 13900k, my lord WHAT a difference.

[@auritro3903]

To summarize - Intel Strengths- > DDR4 Support > Chipset Options > iGPU and Quicksync > Thunderbolt Support > Higher DDR5 Speeds > Higher Clock Speeds and Better Multi-Threading Performance Intel Weaknesses- > LGA 1700 ending support > Prices are higher(although that was at the time of making the video, now its more competitive) > High Power Consumption > Ended AVX-512 Support AMD Strengths- > Socket Longevity > Lower Power in All-Core workloads(although is less efficient in idle or low-load tasks) > Combine with RDNA 3 GPU for better Performance > More competitively priced(at the time of the video at least) > AVX-512 Support AMD Weaknesses- > Lower Core counts > Less competitive at Mid-Range > Less Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 Connectivity > Higher Motherboard prices on average > No DDR4 Support

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

I think AVX512 is a huge extension and costs a lot of transistors and die area. Since it is not viable to include it in the efficiency cores maybe they sacrifice more silicon hardware for thread director to manage AVX512 multithreaded tasks on the performance cores only. Still a shame AMD got AVX512 support when Intel is dropping it on consumer.

[@ydid687]

wait raptor lake doesn't have avx-512 support? even after turning of efficiency cores?!!

[@ydid687]

i am asking for rpcs3 performance because intel alder lake literally slaps the performance of the weak amd ryzen counterparts in ps3 game emulations

[@MrWorshipMe]

Avx512 is a useless pile of s****. Look up AVX / AVX2 / AVX-512 Performance + Power On Intel Rocket Lake On phoronix to see the benefit /power costs of using it. It worse than useless, it's harmful.

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

@@ydid687 You might not want Raptor Lake for PS3 emulation.

[@ydid687]

@@soraaoixxthebluesky i just checked out 13900k rpcs3 and other emulator benchmarks raptor lake is still an improvement over an already reigning processor i.e. over the 12900k somehow it works...and better?

[@keshavaaumritum1]

You missed a few. Ryzen 7k has PCIe 5.0 : Intel is still at PCIe 4.0. Ryzen 7k has display port 2.1. Intel is still on 1.4b. Ryzen 7k has USB 4.0.

[@tileeq]

Z690 and z790 mobos have pcie5 support and thunderbolt4

[@donglee6599]

@@tileeq got them lol

[@ZacharySound]

Any Intel CPU above a 12 Gen CPU I7 - i9 1700 socket should have zero issues lasting through 2025 as well.

[@doctorno3912]

Was looking at a 7900x or 7950x but the price for a decent board is slightly off putting. Throw in gpu prices in Australia currently and I'll be holding off. Current p.c is still going just fine.

[@earthtaurus5515]

Yeah... especially if you're looking for a AM5 board that doesn't use GPU lanes for M.2 sockets... 🤬. I had to go for a X670E Crosshair as the M.2 lanes were not being taken from the GPU. My major gripe I have with this board is there is no rear heatsink on the third m.2 socket. I have three m.2s installed and the third m.2 increases the overal temps on the other m.2s with the rear heatsink. These two are PCI-E 4.0 drives and the third is PCI-E 3.0. Also if anyone runs 3 or more M.2s be prepared to move rear mounted ssds as there is massive heatsoak issues at 95 degrees / constant all core loads. This will apply to Intel too on constant all core loads. I have had to move ssds from the rear of the motherboard to the front of the case as the heatsoak was causing system instability even if the 7950X was thermal limited to 80 degrees.

[@doctorno3912]

@@earthtaurus5515 looking at the same mobo I was for a couple of the same reasons. At 1200 it's pretty pricey for the crosshair and while I could afford it I can't justify it. It's sadly one of the few boards that have more than 4 sata ports. I was planning on doing the new build for a couch gaming pc hooked up to the tv with plex on it. I maybe wrong but I've heard if you use older gen nvme storage you can't mix and match them. So of you are running gen 4 or gen 5 (when they're available) the motherboard defaults to gen 4 speeds.

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

The best part about all of this is AM4 is still crushing it to this day.. AM4 is the reason why most people didn't upgrade to Zen 4... If you really are concerned about having the best gaming CPU today.. You will buy a B550 Board and a 5800X3D and pair it with a 4090. Facts. Now if You Really are a "Content Creator" you are going to want a newer platform like the AMD 7950X or the Intel 12900K/13900K. All though both platforms are on Par Intel slightly faster in single, AMD will give you ZEN 4 Zen 4 Chiplets and Zen5 probably all on the same AM5 socket so that would be my pick if I had to choose.. I would go all AMD/Radeon.. I did with a 5900X and a 6800XT build about a year ago..

[@HR-wd6cw]

I'd say if you're on a strict budget, the Ryzen 5000 series (specifically the 5600 series) is still perhaps the best bang for your buck. It's still a 6 core hyperthreaded (12 threads) processor running in a socket AM4 configuration so still very much an option, and you can find them for under $200 and lowest I've seen is $150 for a bare CPU. Pair that with a nice AMD or Nvidai graphics card and 16+GB of RAM and you have a decent mid-range gaming system, despite the CPU being now about 3-4 years old. Still a very capable, budget, CPU that you could probably install in most computers (including some OEM pre-builds) because it's only a 65W processor. That being said though, since I do graphics work (photo editing of large files) my next build I will go back to an Intel system. I build a Ryzen 5600 system because I didn't want to spend a ton of money and didn't want to invest in an expensive video card (as this was during the pandemic, so I see where AMD does fall short with the Vega 8 graphics versus the equivalent Intel Iris graphics --I believe the equivalent is the Iris Plus or Iris Xe) which seems to have a better performance overall; the photo editors I'm using BTW are more CPU based so video cards are not of that much importance to me using Photoshop, and even Adobe states that high-end graphics cards do not necessarily mean proportionally faster performance in PS and Lightroom. It will just be better than an iGpU in most cases. One thing to note about multi-core performance is that most OSes do support a large number of cores, but the software (applications/games) need to also support multiple cores (most do at least up to 4 cores these days and some can utilitize 16 or more, particularly graphics-oriented programs like CAD or Photo editing software and even some modern games) to gain any benefit when you start getting into the 12+ core counts. If an application is not coded to utilize more than say 4 cores, then that application will not run any faster on a 16 core than it would on a 4 core. Now the fact the OS can run on probably more than 4 cores may help with multi-tasking and may give the appearance of better app performance, but if you look just at the app itself, it may not be any faster. And this is something people don't realize unless they know a bit about programming. Now with some of the modern OSes it is possible to help out apps that are not fully compatible with large numbers of cores through some software and hardware technology that will let the system allocate say 4 cores but make it appear as 1 or 2 cores to an app, so thus improving performance as well (this is sort of what virtualization can do when you have a multi-core system... the hypervisor in a virtual machine / server can give the appearance of one core, or many, to the program, and acts as a barrier between software and hardware.

[@Nr15121]

Great points that’s why in most games an i5 performs about the same as the i9

[@LibertyRapsher]

Right now the best low budget value builds are built with either the AMD 5600 or the Intel i3-1200f (both are amazing builds low budget builds). I've been an AMD fan boy going back to 2000, but I have to tip my cap to intels i3-1200f, which pretty much competes with the 5600 straight up for $50 less (AMD 5500, there's never a reason to use that over the i3-12100f). Right now AMD's 5600 hangs around $140 whereas intels i3-1200f has been retailing for $92 (which is literally the best value processor in the history of processors). When I've recently been building computers for friends and to sell, I've been trying to find any excuse I can to build with the 5600 and I can't find a reason to go with the 5600 over the i3-1200f. Combined with intel motherboards are giving much more value for what they offer on the lower end. Intels i3-12100f beats out the 5600 on single to 4 core performance by around 5-10% whereas AMD 5600 beats out intel on extra core performance by around 20-25%. For what most people are going to be using a computer for and even throwing gaming into the mix the i3-1200f is going to be slightly better, but significantly better when taking the price including motherboard pairing into account. Both builds are great, but AMD needs to lower it's cost if it's going to compete with the i3-1200f. I have a hatred for intel going back to their shady business practices in the early 2000's with a far inferior processor, so any bias I can reasonably come up with I'll find a way to be an amd fanboy, but not with this. Intel dropped the price of their i3-12100f to throw a major wrench in AMD's lower end processors and it kind of throws everything off. AMD's not going to play their game and is keeping their 5600 at $140, while pretending that the 5500 competes with the i3 and making that $85.

[@k24skin]

I personally felt that it was too early to jump on the AM5 bandwagon as with any new platform it needs to age a little to work out the kinks and driver/bios issues...instead I opted to grab the 5800x3d for $349 and along with my FTW3 3080ti I should be able to wait for better things down the road so, in a year or two I'll re-evaluate my upgrade options :)

[@xyr3s]

Unless u are playing on 4k, u don't need to upgrade for atleast 3 years Imo.

[@k24skin]

@@xyr3s I'm waiting on 4K high refresh rate monitors to come down in price so, I'll be sticking to 1440p for now which is fine with me ;)

[@Yardo]

Yeah but in 4k it’s such a wash between the next gen cards. Swapped out my 3080ti for a 7900xtx and my frame rates over doubled in Warzone. Sold the 7900xtx cuz I needed the money and now my games look like a slideshow compared to the XTX.

[@44toudy44]

true, but that was always issue with new things/generations. Personally I won't buy new product on release day, because they are mostly overpriced and also with bugs. If I wait maybe 6 months I can get them for much better value, and also without most bugs.

[@JasonB808]

AMDs A4 socket has been around for a long time because AMD ensures their CPUs are backwards compatible for as long as they can. But not every upgrade goes smoothly. My previous gaming PC was on a Asrock B450 chip set. At the time the Ryzen 3000 series just came out and were beating Intel processors of the time like a drum. I got the Ryzen i5 3600 cpu plus a cheap AthlonGE just to flash the motherboard. The flashing completed with no issues. I popped in the 3600 and the board doesn’t post. All hardware is fine as putting back the Athon worked perfectly. I had to return the 3600 and get a 2600 which wasn’t what I wanted but it worked with no issues. It was not until 2 years later after a later bios update did I try upgrading to a R7 3700x (5000 series were still too expensive at the time). It works though it takes about 30 seconds to post (every time it starts). The faster cpu vastly improved my gaming experience over the 2500, however there were still some studdering. I recent upgraded my GPU from a Radeon 5700 XT to Radeon 6800 XT. The performance increase was vast but still some of that studdering issues here and there. I figured it could be a cpu limitation again but with my wonky Asrock B450 board who can say it would have issues with a 5900x or 5950x CPU. I was going to change my motherboard anyways so if that is the case why not give Intel a chance. DDR 5 motherboards are still expensive and so are the memory. Really High speed memory really don’t make much of a difference for gaming right now, unless using an IGPU like on AMDs 6900HX systems. I went Intel as i bought an Asrock z790 board with DDR 4 memory support. The CPU I chose was an Intel I7 13700K as I wanted 12900K performance at mid range prices. The 13600K wouldn’t have been that much of an Improvement over the 3700x previously had. The new intel system just makes games so silky smooth. I got 8000 point increase on fire strike benchmark (demo version of 3D mark) vs old system. The only thing is Intel cpu can be a power hog. It can go as high as 253 watts by default and much higher by those who OC. Combine that with a 300 watt GPU. That’s 600 watts. I have measured a max of 611 watts on my new rig vs 450 on my old rig. The Intel processors will also need a 240MM AIO or better. If using air cooling only the largest heat sink and fans will work. The AMD CPUs have a lower TDP of 105 watts save the 7950x at 170 watts. But they too can go higher than that. My 3700x has TDP of 65 watts and I have seen it go as high as 85 watts in games. Still lower than the average of 157 watts the 13700k draws. Still I am happy with my intel build.

[@jaredmcable3762]

Ok, I got a question. Microcenter has the Ryzen 7 5700G for $169.00.. I know this is a last year thing but with Inflation as it is ,What is the most affordable APU computer you can build with THIS chip?

[@infinity2z3r07]

toasty bros just did a build with 5600G for $300ish. So you're looking at $340ish.

[@jaredmcable3762]

@@infinity2z3r07 Thanks bru .. I specifically stated the Ryzen 7 because it's only 30ish dollars more than the 5. I just feel that down the road the 7 would be a good cpu if I ever wanted to splurge on a gpu.. I appreciate your help and Happy New Year.

[@todddominoes9862]

5600G or i5 12400f best options. If you don't have 60 dollars to spare on the Intel than just buy the 5600g.

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

Its no baller CPU, but I am still loving my Ryzen 5 3600. Paired with a 3060ti & a 2 TB SATA SSD I'm enjoying 1440 gaming at 120+ FPS in any game thats optimizes worth a damn.

[@JKLauderdale]

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here with a 10yr old 8350 build and still managing decent 1440 gaming. FINALLY ordered some new parts(5700x, x570 ITX, 2TB m2), technically "last gen" but it was a $300 savings compared to AM5 and I already have the RAM from another build. I don't need raw performance but I'd like to at least get into the current decade of parts. Next up is likely the 7800XT, I tend to buy my GPUs 1tier down from the top and then hold onto them for 3-4yrs. I'm coming from a Vega64(died)->580 from my parts closet->RX6600 bought out of desperation. Sadly, this build is already EOL but I fully expect it to last me another 6-8yrs with a GPU upgrade sometime ~2027-28

[@h.e.1291]

I have a question concerning the scratch issue related to the AMD Ryzen 7 processor that was brought up recently by another reviewer. I don't recall which series exactly. Has that issue been corrected?By the way, I prefer an AMD Ryzen and am looking forward to purchasing one soon.

[@markwarnken4711]

Gordon knows the word is "competitive", not compelitive, right? Thumbs up for the video. Thanks!

[@gabiballetje]

Right now, i think AMD is also a very good option, basically i'd call it equal, but i'd buy an AMD, for one so the race keeps going, which will almost certainly only benefit us. There have also been some minor issues with the LGA1700 mounting and pressure, so another small reason for me to go AMD. I'd go for a chip with likely not the most amount of cores, but nice core speeds, since i mostly game or do basic stuff, no video editing or other productivity etc. I also hope and think the AM5 socket will have a longer life compared to Intel, they usually don't have a long socket life, and AMD has supported and might still support AM4, though not with much, and so far they have stated to intend to support AM5 for about just as long, so at the end of that life or near to it there will almost surely be a great upgrade path. I currently still have a DDR3 build, and for that reason i'd skip DDR4 altogether, and go DDR5. It'll be some time before i do and by that time the DDR5 will probably be a bit better and more available and maybe slightly cheaper too. AT best by the end of life of AM5 you might need to also upgrade the motherboard, but that will come with better DDR5 support, and probably by that time PCIE5 for GPU. Honestly for gaming, PCIE3 M.2 NVME will be fine most likely, or they'll be PCIE4 as standard maybe by that time, fine, more speed, or still stick in a PCIE3 version, won't matter that much i think. At best stick a PCIE4 one for games to load faster, still probably won't matter much. Doesn't now at least. On the fence about the 7900 XTX though. But seen how i don't really care about RT and i find the current Nvidia options just too expensive for what you get. I do think AMD is the way to go if you want a most bang for your buck medium budget build. Which i usually do, since i am not a hardcore gamer that must have the highest resolution with ridiculous framerate. I also like normal aircooling, and so far AMD, even though their TDP is going up, is still probably easiest to aircool well, just slap a nice cooler on, there are some great options, some extra fans in a good airflow case, done. I just don't want the still extra risk even with AIO options, pump dying, leaks, it happens, and hardline watercooling, as soon as you need to do something, too much of a hassle, too many things to go wrong, just aircool it and be done. beQuiet, Noctua, few more great options as well, you can always stick on an extra fan to really push the air through, easy enough, and cheaper too, easier to maintain. And having said that, i am keeping my eye on the Gamers Nexus spoiled Lian Li case, that thing looks fantastic, great airflow, great build options, and finally the vertical GPU build next to the mobo, i've been waiting for that for so long, because the other mounting kits that block some PCIE slots and the fans hug the sidepanel just seem stupid to me, give me a mesh side panel at the very least then, most don't have them. I might still make my own mesh side panel for the case to be honest. Hope they make it an option to make it easy though. Glass side panels are nice, but man, why so few mesh side panels !?

[@potatoes5829]

Bring Back SIde Panel Fans!

[@tilapiadave3234]

A long LONG long load of rubbish ,, for those that read this , I feel sorry you will not ever get that time back again

[@gabiballetje]

@@tilapiadave3234 no rubbish, and I have the time.

[@gabiballetje]

@@tilapiadave3234 oh, and have you considered the response is done within the time frame of the video thus taking no extra time at all ? Or are you not fast enough to do that ?

[@tilapiadave3234]

@@gabiballetje I guess you have ,, but that doesn't mean you should waste other peoples time. A 14 page response may mislead people to think you have some knowledge. BUT as we all know EMPTY vessels make the most sound

[@redmatrix]

What about non gamers like myself? Which CPU is better? (4K video rendering (and under) with not a lot of special effects, photoshop, etc.)

[@kmcbayne22]

Strength: We can thank AMD for Intel giving better value/price for their CPUs. Before Ryzen, Intel was price gouging like nVidia is currently doing. One way consumers can help balance the scales is to invest in the competitor so they stay competitive. We benefit from competition in the market.

[@tilapiadave3234]

Can we thank AMD for the ESPIONAGE ,, the THEFT of Intel tech ,, etc etc .. No thanks

[@rickwhittaker2525]

@tilapia dave God, you are still at it. Trolling AMD. Get a life. "Stealing Intel tech". Come on. Have you no shame.

[@shahzadhaider9195]

If anybody can tell in few words in this entire world, AMD or Intel? Which is better? Without if or buts

[@eh1843]

Closed captioning is an accessibility issue. Why the hell does PC Magazine have it turned *off*?!?

[@epicscoreCS2]

I have to say Temp AMD is 20-40c bellow intel CPU's if you want a quiet system with less fans with lower energy cost as well, the amd looks like a clear option. 7700x for 320$ i just find it realy hard looking at an i5 or i7 when they cost me 100$+ more

[@popytkpisatel]

Once the Ryzen 5 5600 came out with the same performance as the X with lower temps and power draw... I just got the first AM5 mini ITX board I could match it with and never looked back. The future proof aspect, low heat and low power draw won me over. And since i'm so alienated with the "trusted industry brands" and how the market has evolved the last 2-3 years, I have been sitting on the fence but couldn't really convince myself I had to join the bandwagon. "it's still fine, if it breaks down I'll see". My I7-6700 was/is still going strong for gaming, development and anything I have thrown at it. Even VR with a 1070 gtx was quite decent. BUt it was a quite sightly box that is an eyesore. And, in comparison now, was pretty loud. Still holding off before I get a new GPU, but for my daily tasks the iGPU is performing well above expectations.

[@stephanhart9941]

Gordon, you did not mention The AMD new quick-sync equivalent (no clue how well it works) or the fact that most X670 boards (not rare)have USB4 which is compatible with almost all Thunderbolt3 devices. Maybe you were just were unaware.

[@BarisYener]

Thunderbolt 4 is better than USB 4. And AMD QuickSync equivalent has no support from leading software in the real world. That are AMD marketing claims atm. The 7900 XTX has good media engines for H.264 and HEVC though. Also SAM is hyped by AMD but in real world there is maybe 1%, at best, performance gain with current AMD 7000 CPU's. If you put the 13900K with a 7900XTX it's mostly faster. Maybe that changes with X3D Parts, we will see.

[@KingdomheartsSTARWARS]

really cool video very interesting comparisons and info! im thinking about get a amd 7000 series cpu soon i never used a amd cpu before i have used a amd graphics card awhile ago when i was little lol 😆 have a good day!

[@cmasscmass]

At this time I don't see paying $600 to $1000 for a High-End motherboard and !. AMD motherboards ("Backplate") Not removable to install any Air or Liquid coolers and 2. Intel 13900k or any Top End CPUs not selling with a ("Spacer Mount") or at lease letting customers know that you'll need this type of ("Spacer Mount") for full contact to help in keeping the CPU cooled down due to it running so "Fing-Hot". These manufacturers by putting out these types of products should be aware of these issues and not leave it up to customers to Troubleshooting away their time of finding ways to make these task work! From the time of starting Tech and building; I've always had an AMD and Intel two will always be better than one.

[@FactoryFugitive]

What is he talking about regarding 13th gen not being able to run DDR5 ? I ran a 13600k with DDR5 after using DDR4 for a year

[@benjy117]

Been in the tech world for 25 years now and I can tell ol boy like many of us got some anxiety problems. The faces he makes which is what I do a lot are priceless.

[@darrenhankner5282]

I just got an intel i9 13900k processor. please recommend the best motherboard with the least problems and expansion? The best seems to be a $1000 board really do not want to spend that much. Already putting out $500 for a Radion 6800 card so I can build a dual boot system with Hackintosh compatibility.

[@TheBURBAN111]

z790 unify by msi... or z790 apex

[@iLegionaire3755]

@@TheBURBAN111z790 edge MSI

[@ydid687]

10:51 wait raptor lake doesn't have avx-512 support? even after turning of efficiency cores?!! i am asking for rpcs3 performance because intel alder lake literally slaps the performance of the weak amd ryzen counterparts in ps3 game emulations

[@johncampbell7868]

I don't understand the popularity of DDR4. If you want to keep old slower memory, why not keep your older and slower CPU ? DDR4 is not a sensible selling point.

[@NikkThompson]

Ended up goiing amd 7950x and rtx 4080, upgrading from my intel i7 5930k and gtx 1080. Performance per watt/dollar rending/3d modeling/all core was selling point. Plus, AMD is making/forcing intels 10% yearly performance uptick more like 100% now. Id argue Intel was the better chip, but generational is end of life, where in 5 years, ill just buy the newest amd am5 and call it good. Where intel would be a complete new build, as it was now.

[@TheBURBAN111]

am5 is going to last 3/4 years at most from what amd said..

[@NikkThompson]

@@TheBURBAN111 Yes, thats 3/4 likely "upgraded chips", my personal ~5yr upgrade cycle, would give my pc new life for ~$500. My last upgrade, to this pc, was a ~~$1500 venture.

[@tilapiadave3234]

A complete new build ? so case needs replacing??? PSU needs replacing ???? case fans ??? ,, AMD shill rubbish.

[@mintydog06]

IM on Ryzen 1700 with Vega 64, and the MOBO shorts outsometimes and for some reason the new drivers are laggy on YT. What do I dO? Shall I just get the best of last Gen. Unfortunately I dont want Intel or nVIDIA because I dont like their business practices. Do you think its worth just getting the best of last gen? 5800X3D and 6800XT?

[@turks1966]

Gordon, those Z790 Motherboards, beyond the intro level boards can get very pricey at the mid--range on up motherboards. I agree though the AMD Motherboards started out way to expensive, it makes considering shifting to AM5 more difficult, when so many AM4 motherboards offer great choices with excellent CPU options at cheaper prices.

[@NikkThompson]

Very true, but AMD AM5 boards were flagship releases first. Not that they're overly expensive, pretty comperable, just only high end. Which for me is more than fine, as I wanted/got the ASUS Prime version which ive done forever now. Not saying options arent expensive, just only high end.

[@NikkThompson]

@Zoran depends what you want from your system.... I upgrade my main ~5yrs, when it's significantly worth it, and I go high end. Game a little, but video edit/render, photo edit, 3d rendering for work, plex, etc. I went 7950x without hesitation, big difference VS 5950x. But my kids pc, I went with 5700x, way cheaper, still vastly faster than the fx8350 they had in their. They game, but not much, typically Google, KZbin, roblox, sometimes apex or fortnite on 144hz 1080p display.

[@NikkThompson]

@Zoran more fps is going to be gpu than cpu between 6700 and 7700. The new 7700 non x would be where I would go if you want awesome efficiency, gaming, with some cores for handbrake.

[@eldergeektromeo9868]

Hard NOT to notice the "AERO" logo on the laptop. Hopefully, its a demo machine, and not something you paid your own money for! Very bad experience with the 15" model (OLED) purchased for my grand daughter three years ago. Very poor quality overall, specifically the internal cooling fans. Anyhow, thanks for your expertise, as usual guys!

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

As someone who want to do Blender and Gaming at the same time, with the current market price, and budget my only option is either 13700K or 5950X. Is hillarious to say but Intel with their insane performance is far more cheaper now. The only non-Threadripper CPU that can beat 13700K now is 7900X (expensive), 7950X (extremely expensive) or 13900K (sligthtly expensive). Keep in mind that only team blue allow a DDR4 at this tier.

[@2beJT]

Does intel also scale down their power consumption more for light computing usage? Most people aren't running full load the entire time the PC is on.

[@royboysoyboy]

0:42 I don't know exactly why you should universally skip the F-versions. You can save anywhere from $30-$50 at times (i.e. eBay, etc.) Great way to save money if you don't need it, and you might have an extra graphics card for troubleshooting/diagnosis lying around. Maybe if you're a newbie to PC building, it's an additional buffer or tool for diagnosis...but on the other hand, almost all Ryzen processors don't even have an iGP by default....

[@jayjayhooksch1]

All of the ryzen chips this gen have igpu.

[@FactoryFugitive]

My question is whether I should use My Z790 plus tuf with a 13600k & 64gb of DDR4 ram (3600mhz) (which I have already) or a 7900x and a B650 Aorus PRO AX (I would just have to buy DDR5 ram since it's the only thing I'm missing. I'm running a 3070 right now but if I go with the 7900x I'm going to grab a 7900xtx GPU amd if I stick with My DDR4 board with My 13600k, I'm going to grab a 4080 or 4090. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[@jrodstech]

I'm waiting on those 3d cache versions. I bought the case,mobo,gpu,ssd's,aio,fans,vert gpu stand,ddr5 just waiting on the release, reviews and price.

[@thaddeus2447]

Two weeks ago bought r9 7950x for 560eur + asrock b650e pg riptide wifi for 250eur and crucial 2x16gb 4800mhz cl40 ram kit for 115eur, because couldnt find any info how ram speed effects gaming performance, found only german review who mentioned that it doesnt matter and i couldn't find reason to pay more than 3x for 6000mhz ram kit for no gain, only gain is on AIDA64, i just tuned crucial kit to 5200MHZ CL34 It handled it at same 1.1v. Main problem i ran into is that asrock board either you use cheap or expensive motherboard when you turn on xmp or expo boottimes is extremely slow, if i use default its like 5s, if i use xmp or tune it myself its like 30s+, from reddit post its known issue and yet agesa update which came week ago didnt help. My 7950x can do negative offset of -30 on all cores, tested blender, cinebench torcher test for hour and played warzone 2 using my RTX 3080 for 12h straight, no crash. Ran into issue day one because my old assassin III didnt had correct mount, they can send it but i need to wait month to arrive it, used backup deepcool beta 200 st cheap 10eur am3 cooler and i only lost 10% in sintetics, in gaming performance was the same compared to AG620 BK ARGB i bought couple days later with proper mount, KEEP IN MIND on ZEN 4 backplate doesnt come off like on previous zen cpus, if you have older cooler with own backplate it wont fit, you need to take out whole bracket which holds cpu itself. SO AM4/AM5 has a catch.

[@rickwhittaker2525]

Should have bought 6000mhz memory. I run mine at 6400mhz and infinity cache at 2133 mhz. It added 20% to memory through put. I bought the Asrock x670e Pg lightning. Hynix M memory.

[@IrLosin]

@@rickwhittaker2525 I struggle to get memory past 5800 on 7950X and it's rated 6400. Have it at 5600 now because memory tests show 0 errors with that,. Using DOCP (XMP) @6400 is a guaranteed crash or failure to boot. Might just be bad luck in the silicon lottery. I can probably get more out of it if I tweak the timings and voltage, but that's too much work for the relatively small gain.

[@thaddeus2447]

@@rickwhittaker2525 Nobody really covered topic does ram speed matter on zen 4 for gaming. As a zen 2 3600 and zen 3 5800x previous owner, i can say zen 2 loved ram most, zen 3 barely, and 5800x3D burried need for good ram, because of 3D vcache, there is no video comparing performance of zen 4 ram speed performance difference in gaming, you can only find plenty intel videos, and intel loves ram a lot, and i only found out myself from my kit, that it only made difference in score in AIDA64 and thats its. 6000mhz cl32 kit here goes for near 300eur, don't see need to pay 3x for memory to see some small difference if any at all.

[@rickwhittaker2525]

I managed to get the infinity fabric to 2133 mhz which definitely impacts gaming performance.

[@jakobw135]

Is there an issue of CHECKSUMS when it comes to AMD vs Intel - with the former doing FEWER of them than the latter? Do both of these processors have similar stats when it comes to- gaming and 3D processing?

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Zen4 has built in video output, combined with Eco-mode that is a really low powered cool videoplayer or office machine.

[@cyangtw]

I was waiting for Ryzen 7000 series but it disappointed me, however, I still hope for the 7000X3D series. I upgraded from Ryzen 3000 series to i7-12700K with DDR4 and planned to stick with it for at least another 2 years. Unless 7000X3D changes my mind.

[@Thaumazo]

I'm going for the same upgrade as you. What GPU are you running it with? How much better are the 1% lows compared to 3000?

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

stick with the 12700k, you dont seem to care much about money/value and want high performance considering you upgraded ryzen 3000 but man, you really wont get much of a performance uplift in real usage. Unless you render some really heavy stuff.. Or have a rtx 4090 and want that 200+ fps in cyberpunk 1080p.

[@cyangtw]

@@Thaumazo Currently RTX 3060. I carried over from my Ryzen 3000 built, didn't bother to upgrade GPU considering it would require me to rob a bank.

[@cyangtw]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I upgraded to 12700K partially because my study, some of the program tools and libraries are optimized for Intel CPU. Before upgrading, I always had to find a workaround to work with AMD Ryzen 3000 CPU. As of now, I am not really a fan and not interested in upgrading or chasing the graphics performance since GPU got ridiculously expensive and power-hungry.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@cyangtw Understandable, you have use for the cpu power. However I don't understand your interest in "3d" cpus then, they wont really help much, mostly for gaming.

[@forgetittube5882]

Gordon, as always, right on mark. Direct and precise. At best, the channel should present only knowledgeable people as Gordon, who knows what he is talking about, without being condescending to the opinions he doesn’t share.

[@Targetlockon]

Better value with DDR4 but makes less adoption rate for DDR5. Best is both options for the consumer to choose which memory or have it flexible to use DDR5 in future as an upgrade

[@randallbro6749]

One dude gives all the talking points while the other guy just says, "what else?"

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

Where is your guys Ryzen 7000 vs Intel 13th Gen power consumption and undervolting performance comparison Video? Not to mention is the AMD with AMD GPU argument with SAM still relevant because now other GPUs Nvidia/Intel have resize bar that I’m pretty sure works as well with AMD CPU’s?