Intense Convo With Freya About Kratos' Wife

#godofwar #godofwarragnarok

[@AesirUnlimited]

Mimir is a real brother to Kratos. He saw that Freya was starting to step over the line with Kratos. Asking questions that would’ve potentially hurt him. So Mimir stopped it to avoid Krato’s memory of his wife being harmed. Even though he’s tough and could take it, he still didn’t want his bro to be hurt. That’s genuine loyalty and respect.

[@DTheCritical]

Well Mimir seems to genuinely like Kratos as despite the fact he's a disembodied head he's still a got a lot of genuine care for a select people (Kratos is literally the opposite of Odin in nearly every way).

[@wesleywallace4426]

"He's tough and could take it" is just toxic masculinity. Even if Kratos wouldn't have a mental breakdown, he would still be hurt unnecessarily.

[@odininmeemninido1498]

@@wesleywallace4426 It isn't toxic masculinity, it is called emotional stability. You can be angry, or sad even, and still be emotionally stable. Being hurt emotionally can make you waver a bit, but that is where good emotional stability can minimize that.

[@AesirUnlimited]

@@wesleywallace4426 No it isn’t. Chill out.

[@jwt-nu3ei]

Not to mention that Freya clearly doesn’t think she’s doing it ‘unnecessarily’.

[@mathybrain8]

Kratos is from Greece, where all giants are huge. It only makes sense that he need to verbally differentiate between the giants of his homeland and the jotnar.

[@jaquanbrown413]

That's because of the first game when atreus was explaining the jotnar to him so here shows that he does listen such case the fact that this time kratos has a journal and can read the language which he improved upon from Faye, atreus and most likely mimir.

[@alexd.o332]

Eso y que una vez él fue un gigante, físicamente hablando.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Think of them as just another godly tribe. That each tribe had its own culture and speciality. Aesir are war hawks, vanir are druids, jotun are tall tricksters. Ect ect.

[@samuelpereacruces1811]

@@alexd.o332 lo entiendes, y le podría contestar en inglés, pero lo has hecho en español, absolute chad

[@bll1]

@@jacobfreeman5444 jotuns are tricksters?

[@gurpreetsingh-rv6uy]

I think nobody is talking about the other reason, which in my opinion is maybe the real reason why faye send them to jotunheim. Faye wanted kratos to open up to the world like he did to her, she wanted her son to live outside the confines of that forest, see the world and them going on a journey was the only way both of them could learn about each other and form a strong bond. Atreus and Kratos’s relationship would be far worse if he just kept them safe in that little patch of woods and never seeing and interacting with the world. She just wanted whats best for both his husband and son. She gave Kratos a chance at happiness that would atleast heal the hole Kratos would have after she dies, but only if he goes out and see the world with his son.

[@wowalamoiz9489]

Well maybe she should have sent them to a location that didn't involve fighting legions of enemies. The highest peak on Midgard for example. Lots of adventures, little trouble.

[@captainobvious90]

@@wowalamoiz9489 Well, Baldur came to their house even before they start their journey, it was inevitable really

[@crimsoneclipse0618]

@@captainobvious90 Yeah, I think the journey would have not been as fight heavy if they didn't have Baldur stalking them the entire way.

[@wowalamoiz9489]

@@captainobvious90 Baldur could track them because they were visiting important locations. He would have no idea where they were if they were just headed for the mountains

[@ayybdon]

wow this makes so much more sense than whatever i had thought in my head

[@mongooseunleashed]

Freya: "You know if I was your wife, I would be open about my secrets." Kratos: "What?" Freya: "Nothing. I hate you."

[@Nero_PR]

Tsundere 101

[@ARB6769]

Freya: _B-baka_ in Viking

[@prasunkumar1125]

bruh Kratos literally killed her son. She ain't banging him.

[@ryuuchiu1113]

@@prasunkumar1125 unless...they wanted to create another....

[@Imperfectcelll]

@@ryuuchiu1113 I dunno, I mean. I saw a circle.

[@amanitamuscaria5863]

Mimir saved this poor woman's life right there and then.

[@Salazar52]

Really showed why he's a diplomat

[@JacqueBibblequip]

Kratos would be a bitch if he killed her over that

[@b4l4zsv1ncz3]

@@JacqueBibblequip He killed Hera for being called a coward. He killed a Boat Captain 3 times for a single key. He killed Hermes for his J's. There are much less reasons why Kratos killed someone.

[@yonneye2427]

@@b4l4zsv1ncz3 I thought he killed Hera for insulting Pandora.

[@CookieMon1]

@@b4l4zsv1ncz3 I mean to be fair, in Kratos’s lifetime, he recently lost his family before he did those things.

[@r3gret2079]

Legend has it, when Kratos n Faye got married, they had a beautiful wedding, Faye gave the most heartwarming and love-filled vows, Kratos said "Mnnnh". And they all lived happily ever after, foooor a decade.

[@rogue_sebass8770]

Don't forget the '○' sequence after the wedding

[@r3gret2079]

@@rogue_sebass8770 lmao oh fuck that's good

[@r3gret2079]

Random 'R1' to keep you on your toes

[@rogue_sebass8770]

@@r3gret2079 a rotation of 'R3' to get the bed rocking

[@noggy3133]

Guys. Dont forget about the climax of R3 + L3

[@narukamishirou284]

This dialogue and the ending where Kratos finds his prophecy mural actually prove that Faye did sent out Kratos and Atreus on their journey willingly because she knew both of them will not end in a tragic fate. Kratos refuses to believe that Faye would want him to take part in Ragnarök because of the thought of him being a destroyer who will avenge her kind to Odin. But the truth is, Kratos’s path has been set on the brighter side of Ragnarök. He does not lead the army for the sole purpose of vengeance, he lead the war to Asgard and Odin but with conscience he saved the Aesir civilians, tries to make peace with Thor, and only brought down Odin. In the aftermath of it, he is never destined to be just a destroyer, he becomes the God of Peace worshipped by the people out of his good deeds. That’s why he cries when he sees his prophecy mural. Faye sent him out knowing a brighter path awaits him thus giving him a new purpose worthy of fulfilling

[@wanderingbufoon]

It would be funny if the last prophecy was not about the Nordic pantheon but the Roman. It'd be a full circle as the Romans fled to found Rome to get away from the political BS that was happening in Greece.

[@Amin-hl2lj]

I like this interpretation

[@krounos1]

In a way Kratos becomes how Tyr was viewed, a God Of War whose purpose is to end them.

[@islandboy9381]

Tyr is not only seen as the god of war but also as the god of law/justice in norse mythology which Kratos delivered to Odin and the realms rejoiced

[@narukamishirou284]

@@islandboy9381 ironically, back in GoW3 Kratos and Athena were both responsible for Olympus's destruction. Kratos being the fallen god of war while athena being the (former) goddess of wisdom. Wait, can I mix up wisdom and justice?

[@NeonIn3D]

Freya absolutely has a point. Especially on Kratos not airing out his thoughts about this

[@thecommentguy9380]

except her pushing his buttons was a terrible move, one that mimir thankfully stepped in

[@XDD50Hz]

but she's definitely pushing towards the line which is not cool

[@kev._._._.]

She made a good point but Mimir was right, she was starting to cross a line

[@ozero00rockon]

Freya asked a question that implied Faye possibly wanted Kratos to fight the Norse pantheon. She basically took Kratos’s words and twisted them.

[@gurugreat5663]

Faye saw his fate. She also saw what he could become. It was probably the only way Kratos would no longer be a slave to his past.

[@om3ga109]

Mimir once again being a top-tier bro

[@Davesknd]

Is it just me or did it sound like Mimir was implying that Kratos had a thing for the Hekatonkires?

[@ColonelSanders493]

@@Daveskndthe fuck???😭😭😭😭

[@Laurentus]

I'm absolutely amazed at how nuanced the acting is. It's clear that Kratos is still overflowing with bloodlust and he still enjoys every moment of a tough battle, yet he steadfastly refuses to be used by anyone ever again, and the thought that Faye could be doing this to him pisses him the fuck off, despite his grief for her loss.

[@cwolffe510]

She’s trying to use his grief for her to manipulate him into doing what she wants. Freya may hate Odin, but it seems his manipulative antics must’ve rubbed off on her during their marriage.

[@Ali-vc4cc]

@@cwolffe510 Gaia 2.0

[@thewatermelon3831]

underrated analysis

[@demiangalic916]

@@Ali-vc4cc Something like that but more reasonable and whe wouldn't betray kratos

[@craig7405]

@@cwolffe510 i wouldnt call it manipulation

[@filipvadas7602]

An argument could be made that Faye also knew that Kratos had an uncanny ability to *cheat* fate He did it many times in the original games and he did it by killing Magni and Modi, who weren't supposed die and in fact were meant to be one of the few remaining survivors of Ragnarok

[@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766]

That is only according to Groa false prophecy. The Giants prophecy that was discovered by the end of the first game showed Kratos and Atreus killing the brothers, so no, it was predicted that they would die.

[@Vespyr_]

I don't think so. I genuinely don't think she cared if he cheated fate as long as her people were avenged. Nothing about her actions spells any real consideration as to that.

[@Broomer52]

As Kratos once said “what will you do? The depths of Hades could not hold me, the Sisters of Fate could not control me, AND YOU WILL NOT LIVE TO SEE THE END OF THIS DAY” Kratos is testament to the power of Will. He refuses to stay down as long as he has enough strength and will to do what he must. He denied death, denied fate and will continue to do so until they earn his surrender.

[@thewerdna]

@vespyr actually she did seem to believe he'd change fate. She destroyed the mural showing his fate to die at the hands of thor, and then (as seem in the ending) painted over that same prophecy with an image of Kratos being worshiped as a beloved god. But ultimately its not that he actually changed fate, as the Norns said there is no such thing as fate. Rather people just make predictable decisions that make it seem like fate because they refuse to change. Ultimately, why Kratos doesn't die is because he does change. That seems to have been Faye's belief: that Kratos' "fate" could be different because he could change

[@Komega01]

an argument can be made that faye saw her fate rejected and did everything she could to stir up enough trouble to change everyones fate like pulling a god killer from another pantheon into there lands. she just so happens to be there the second kratos lands in midgard? faye is a fucking mastermind

[@fulahno]

"Your highness" truly the norse diplomat humble and cordial even while chilling on the safest waist in the world

[@strayed1615]

This gave me that same vibes as when Dracula was questioned about his wife in Castlevania series. Kratos is absolutely unshakable in his trust and faith in his deceased wife. And while he has changed for the better. You can hear the nerve being pressed.

[@matthewschincariol4619]

Yes. That was perhaps the opposite, however. Dracula had an opportunity to turn Lisa into a vampire, but did so out of respect to her wishes, and so that he wouldn’t ruin a perfect human as she was to him. Carmella pressing Dracula of this, the leader of all vampires in his domain amongst his consort a year after the death of his wife is a bold but foolish move, and Dracula showed restraint like Kratos did in sparing her life I don’t think Kratos was even considering killing Freya for that. More so he was just trying to avoid the topic

[@michaelcox9016]

Freya and Kratos are both right. Faye did send Kratos down the path of ragnarok, but she also knew that she was sending him down the path of justice, not vengeance. She knew that odin had to be stopped, not to pay for what he has done, but to prevent what he will continue to do.

[@DoctorMcHerp]

Mimir being a bro and stopping Freya before she further pokes the god-killing bear of a man in front of her.

[@DLxxx]

You do realize that Kratos wouldn't of harmed her, right? Like, he explicitly says this over and over in Vaneheim. Mimir didn't "stop" anything, other than the tension of their conversation.

[@jaquanbrown413]

@@DLxxx no he wouldn't had harmed her but he would had lashed out which his prone to do and tries his hardest not do and mimir knows this especially since this is topic about kratos taking a stand against another pantheon head and his wife which are both very touchy subjects for him.

[@inuyasha0413]

It's not only that, he's smart enough to recognize grief, as well

[@riotergr1]

Freya: he is a calm and reasonable person. There's no way he wo... Mimir: for the love of god, woman!

[@Phantom_Zone]

Freya: *talks* Mimir: You're on thin fucking ice your highness.

[@tacticalpacklimbo129]

@@Phantom_Zone Freya: *moves an inch* Mimir: “Hey! don’t you dare move anymore lady you’ve entered Kratos’ personal bubble which happens to be everywhere!”

[@inuyasha0413]

@Tactical pack Limbo I almost just drowned from drinking tea like a brit reading your comment, that one was fucking hilarious 😂

[@DaveTucker-ip3pg]

Actually no, the reason Fey asked Karatos to embark on this journey was to because he is the only one who she knew had changed fate. Just think about it, Thors Sons Magni and Modi were prophecies to survive Ragnarok but they both died by Karato hand not because it was written but necessary. Yes a few prediction did come true, like them meeting the world serpent but it's quite hard avoiding that so it that slide, Baldur was the next enemy and he would also die not because Kratos hated him but because he refused to change. The dwarfs nor Freya who plays a very big role are not even mentioned in the shrine. So that's why I strongly believe the Fey did not put Kratos on that path, she simply have a task and kratos forged his own path be it for better or worse

[@LordKingKamiGuru]

Faye probably also foresaw the other half of the final mural, depicting a different destiny with Kratos as an all-father-like figure.

[@andreiriboli]

Actually, I believe she foresaw everything correctly, from the beginning to the end. And, when the Jötnar saw a terrible fate for Kratos, she saw a different one, a good one, for both Kratos and the nine realms. That's why she destroyed the mural in Jotunheim, so that the "good ending" she foresaw (the one where Kratos becomes a beloved god) would come true. Anyway, we don't know for sure, but that's what I assume is correct, considering all the information we got from both games. So, I believe Faye did foresee everything the way it happened, but never told anyone.

[@drnafari0us962]

"My shrine in Jotunheim, she destroyed it" - Atreus "We forged our own path because of her" - Kratos

[@TheDeathmail]

Except it was later admitted... in this very game, that the prophecy that Odin had was wrong.... In other words... Odin based things off of a fake prophecy...

[@theokayishgamer]

How is it possible to mispronounce Kratos' name so badly? Faye too, but man.

[@BiggestChungus21]

Freya: You're wife used you as a monster to exact the giant's revenge on the gods Kratos: **Visibly pissed knowing Freya was right** Mimir: I better deescalate this before he murders her

[@basimali619]

Hmm, sounds familiar… GAIAAAA

[@CarnageRulez469]

Freya wasn’t right about that though. The whole ending with Faye’s mural explains why Faye did the literal opposite of that. She didn’t want Kratos and Atreus bogged down to their fate, hence destroying Loki’s mural and going against her people in trying to prevent their fates.

[@SteveSamson15]

Freya- Atreus’ mother was a giant, isn’t that right? Kratos- She was one of the JOTNAR

[@personal9372]

Racism averted

[@BenzilJohn_infinity]

*FORESHADOWING* But nobody gets it.

[@notdoomguy1616]

To be honest, I kind of wish everyone there learned of what Kratos' has done at some point. Just the absolute shock and horror of it all would've been enough to deescalate the entire situation.

[@pissum420]

They do. They know what happened, it’s talked about when magic is discussed. Kratos has no god abilities like thor or Freya due to magic being tied to the land and Freya mentions he destroyed his land.

[@Broomer52]

They’re all aware of the broad strokes. He killed a pantheon because they made him angry and ruined his life, although it exists only as a rumor they know of him defeating the Sisters of Fate, they know he killed his family. They know EXACTLY who they’re up against.

[@abridgedbog7753]

@@pissum420 yeah, but there is a difference between hearing how Kratos kill the greek pantheon to watching him ripping the head of a person off or how he cuts Hermes legs. Mimir was already freaking out when kratos was choking heimindall

[@ColdNorth0628]

@@abridgedbog7753 to be fair. Him killing Heimdall meant defying fate but may also lead them INTO fate by defying it.

[@notdoomguy1616]

@@abridgedbog7753 Precisely my point. From the outside perspective, the whole thing most likely doesn't look nearly as it happened. "Kratos and some other God of War (Athena) traveled through the land, gathering power, killing a couple of gods in the process. And then (GOW3), they led a massive attack of great titans on the domain of the gods." They just don't know how much of it he has done simply all by himself, as information there travels by word of mouth and, maybe, paper.

[@vectordash7150]

When the ⭕ almost turned into R3

[@kev._._._.]

Did Mimir just admit he isn't, well let's just say, as blessed as Kratos is in terms of size 😉

[@alexandermcadams3845]

ayooo

[@DerPartyCyclops]

well he IS quite a bit more than just a head shorter

[@Marcelelias11]

Dude is literally just a head, he doesn't have anything to brag about in the lower regions because he has no lower regions

[@TheCorrodedMan]

*Was

[@unlimited971]

Well technically he got a trunk in the lower part

[@thelewis2898]

I really liked Freya's character not being afraid to confront Kratos.

[@mbovb006]

That moment when Kratos nods and almost chuckles in respect at Freya's 1,406th attempt on his life was one of my favorite parts. I think Kratos likes that about her. He'd be doing the same thing in her position. So he respects her even when she does cross lines like this. Even if she does have a point.

[@bcgazero6472]

​​@@mbovb006well,it's pratically the same reason he respects brok,they speak their minds

[@gianghuynh9570]

Funny how Mimir interjected because he played a part in directing Kratos and Atreus to Jotunheim. Kratos would have happily spread his wife’s ash on that mountain if not for Mimir.

[@arbknight12]

Mimir (Jerry): "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" Freya (George): "No of course not!" Mimir (Jerry): "I mean it's fine if that's who you are!"

[@LoneStoneMaalik]

A very touchy subject it is for Kratos to talk about his wife in general. Must coincide with the fact that he lost is first wife to unfortunate circumstances, as well, so he doesn’t know how to process loss in a healthy way without taking it personal whenever someone brings it up.

[@inuyasha0413]

Anything that bothers him really is a touchy subject. Let's not forget the train cutscene when after they get knocked off the tracks

[@CreditR01]

He did chew Atreus out in the first game for accusing him of not caring that Faye died. "You have your way of grieving, leave me to mine." We see much more of that this time around because he feels lost and misses Faye greatly and he's scared of losing Atreus & what will become of him when Kratos dies.

[@infidelheretic923]

Was it ever mentioned exactly how Fey died?

[@LoneStoneMaalik]

@@infidelheretic923 It was never mentioned publicly or officially.

[@MO-zk8qs]

I understood where Freya was coming from, but she lost kratos at 0:32. Bad way to go about this point

[@klaushassen3954]

Freya and Athena

[@justpazzingby13]

OR you can look at it like this: - Faye saw Kratos' fate, but it was black and bloody, no different from his time in Greece - So she decides to take next best option; the same path with a different approach - The gods were always going to die, but Faye fought tooth and nail so that Kratos would come out of it a better man - Vengeance was a forgone conclusion, it was whether or not Kratos completes the cycle as a Monster or a Liberator

[@kitten_with_bad_breath]

And surrendered her pussy to really seal the deal

[@cockroachv]

Could’ve been a solid cutscene

[@Caramelo23606]

But then you would have to stop playing and this is a videogame

[@nick33ee]

@@Caramelo23606 and?

[@Caramelo23606]

@@nick33ee you're supposed to play it

[@nick33ee]

@@Caramelo23606 and the game has a story.

[@Caramelo23606]

@@nick33ee there's more ways to tell a story than you think

[@zenmillli]

For a guy without limbs, Mimir was able to de-escalate that convo quite quickly...

[@KekePalmer.]

0:13 based

[@darksider2903]

Freya just said, "your wife honeypotted you, seduced you, created a child to bind and exploit you because she knew you can kill gods and so used you take her revenge and kill Odin" 😅

[@nandoxus]

And that's exactly what she did. Hence Kratos got mad, because deep down he thinks that too. But he went along for his son's sake. At least that's my opinion on this

[@Avalanche2015]

@@nandoxus THANK YOU! Even the Dream Sequences / Visions Kratos Spends with Faye reek of manipulations. She preyed on the fact that Kratos was a broken man. To be honest, I'm not sure how she got Kratos to have sex with her in the 1st place to make Atreus. In the 1st game he was FAR to broken a man to even consider that, much less another child. There's a whole sinister side of this God Of War 4-5 people aren't taking into account. Like the Norms said, "Now Kratos is SAD when he kills God's, that's so much better!"

[@user-tm9ho3bm4v]

@@Avalanche2015 glad I'm not the only one thinking she was extremely manipulative

[@alexd.o332]

Opción A: Ver a Krator ser feliz como un Dios de la paz y contra la tiranía Opción B: usarlo como paño usado Creo que por comodidad esta más la A

[@josephfigues4202]

Okay, just wanna put my two cents. Faye nevered manipulated her family, that is why she destroyed the mural at Jotumhelm when it talked about the future. She wanted to let them see how they got far, but never wanted to shackled both her boys on prophecy. For the dream sequence, i think is that it was simply her fearing prophecy and submitting to it. She does not want her family to face Ragnarok, “but there is no time left” because Odin is coming. “Death is a natural part of life” because her boys are literally charging to Ragnarok the next day. “Protect our son” because Atreus is in Asgard More or less. The three of them are victims of prophecy and has broken them

[@SrChr778]

Although Freya has a point, but wise is Mimir for stopping her right there.

[@christophercostello696]

Kratos: "Freya, you're starting to sound a lot more like a God than a friend......"

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

And it turns out she was right, Kratos was the prophecized champion of the Jötnar, the most logical candidate. What she was wrong about is that Faye was pushing him down that path, turned out she destroyed the jotunheim mural depicting the death prophecy (hence the mural to the left depicting Faye arguing with a bunch of giants) in the hopes that Kratos and Atreus would find their own paths for themselves, while the giants likely wanted prophecy to play out to ensure Odin’s downfall, which was the source of Faye’s disagreement with them.

[@b4l4zsv1ncz3]

I bet, Freya would have been really happy if Kratos would turn back to his past days of Blind Rage and bloodlust. Asgard wouldn't stand a chance, but of course the one we got was a much better way in my opinion. He showed a little brutality in Heimdall's death, but come on , Heimdall asked for it by making him angry. After that, he quickly gathered himself and remembered his oath that he would never become a monster again. He just protected his child from that point on , talked sense into Thor to do the same , and they don't have to do this. Shame Odin was such a snake, that he killed his own son.

[@rogue_sebass8770]

If Kratos really 'lost control' with Heimdall, he would have been a lot more brutal than beating him into the ground and strangling him. Don't forget, he disassembled Hermes, gouged out Poseidon's eyes, used Hades' own weapon to hang him from the ceiling of the Underworld and ripped of Helios' head with his bare hands.

[@dennisnedry8126]

heimdall has the olympian attitude though. how many chances did he give people who kind of threw themselves at him to just walk away?

[@ntfoperative9432]

To be fair, Kratos' gave him plenty of chances to just walk away

[@bcgazero6472]

​@@rogue_sebass8770kratos would have made a new dish called mashed aesir

[@rogue_sebass8770]

@bcgazero6472 Instead, he smashed a Vanir

[@tylerforehand2983]

"DO NOT PRESUME TO KNOW WHAT SHE WANTED!" Jesus, for a second there I thought Kratos was gonna relapse and rip her head off.

[@MrJerrytheSlime]

When a loved one has passed and someone begins to question said person’s motives, it’s only natural to stomp those thoughts out. It wouldn’t matter to them if there actually was ill intent, they want to keep the image they had of them because that’s all that’s left of them. You should never trample on something like that, no matter the circumstance.

[@flavor2984]

Absutely nothing can shake away the feeling that Faye was using Kratos to get rid of Odin, in all GoW Kratos get used or betrayed by someone close to him

[@maallos334mi8]

My god, y’all are really dying on the “faye manipulated Kratos” hill aren’t ya?

[@GundamChief]

Anyone else felt like fists were about to be thrown if Mimir didn't interject exactly when he did?

[@Editor_Brad]

The best part is that one of Kratos's most badass lines are the reason he doesnt trust Fate, other than him being the subverter of it, is "Do what is necessary not because it is written". Kratos does what he needs to because he has one goal, protect Atreus. It is his choice to do that and ever since his change by Faye, Atreus, Mamir, fraya and the others, he makes uncharacteristic choices for the future and himself. Which is why he changed an outcome because he wanted to be better when he told Atreus "you feel their pain because that is who you are. I was wrong, Open your heart to their suffering". He did what was necessary because he knew deep down if he was going to die, he didnt want his last actions to be damaging to Atreus.

[@endlessnoodle3056]

You know you done goofed when you forced Mimir to use his HR voice

[@ViewportPlaythrough]

regardless of what faye wanted or if she knew her husband's and son's fate, freya was still trying to manipulate and push kratos' to her own agenda using his dead wife's name

[@Broomer52]

As Kratos once said “what will you do? The depths of Hades could not hold me, the Sisters of Fate could not control me, AND YOU WILL NOT LIVE TO SEE THE END OF THIS DAY” Kratos is testament to the power of Will. He refuses to stay down as long as he has enough strength and will to do what he must. He denied death, denied fate and will continue to do so until they earn his surrender.

[@bigsmoke268]

@@Broomer52 cornball

[@Broomer52]

@@bigsmoke268 potato salad

[@bigsmoke268]

@@Broomer52 goofy ass

[@Broomer52]

@@bigsmoke268 Donald Face

[@kevzenevze9893]

I also thought about this during the game. Specially when Kratos tells Freya that HE won’t be her monster or anyone else’s again. But then… Faye was against the Aesir. This makes me think that she engaged with Kratos to have him do what she couldn’t do…

[@bonelesschickennuggets1868]

??? Did you missed the last dream memory of Faye? If she wanted Kratos to destroy Asgard why put in all the extra effort into making him a better god and be more sympathetic? If she wanted a destroyer then she could had just keep him a monster

[@tellurius4951]

Mimir: "Yo, bitсh, don't you dare to speak with my homie like that"

[@WebbedManiac]

I mean, she was kinda correct

[@ephemispriest8069]

There's paper thin, and then there is whatever ice Freya is walking on here.

[@Bot-77385]

I love that small line where Mimir says that theres nothing wrong with a bit of a size disparity. It shows when he talks about Sigrun, where he describes her as beautiful, strong, and with much more emphasis, TALL. He's still very much in love with Sigrun I think.

[@HobbNoblin]

Freya might have a point, but clearly she isn't helping. Kratos has been through a lot. The last thing he needs, at this point, is to have his wife's proverbial ghost at his ear, whispering "That's it, my love! Kill them all for me!"

[@generalpenultimo6502]

I love how Mimir is once again the ultimate Bro, not letting the thematic getting any deeper than Kratos is ready for at this time

[@anthonydiaz8701]

Damn Freya, the man still trying to heal & process everything that still ongoing while staying focus......

[@Frikcha]

I love the new GOW dialogue so much, Characters don't have to say full entire long lines of exposition and you still know exactly what they're thinking/feeling top to bottom. For instance, Kratos, in this moment, was probably thinking something along the lines of "I am beginning to feel a lot less guilty for snapping your son's neck in front of you" nah but fr It was really interesting to see Faye's character criticized like that by the game itself, I like the suggestion that Kratos and Faye had a healthy but flawed relationship not just from Kratos being super closed off but from Faye being very secretive and a bit inconsiderate.

[@iforgotmyname1669]

*MASH O TO STAY CALM AND REASONABLE*

[@leptinainccm]

In the end, they were both right but not in the way they expected. Just like the prophecies. She did set him on a quest, but not as a destroyer but as a savior.

[@HeartYgo]

Mimir: Freya I m going to need to Chilll the fuck out

[@chanelgodd]

“KEEP MY WIFE’S NAME OUT YOUR FUCKIN MOUTH”

[@AnggaTirtaFL]

Freya has a point, but from the point of view of someone who can foresee a future and especially that future is about your husband and son, what else you can do except from accepting it and prepare everything for the sake for their upcoming inevitable future. This is what Kratos want and always believe about Faye, he don't want to think any thing bad of her in any way and just moving forward whatever the Prophecy said. Whatever his wife plans, he just simply trust his loved ones.

[@productivestruggle9489]

That would certainly be a twist. Faye keeping several secrets from kratos, and he would somehow take a little offense to them. Imagine if there was a way for her to come back, regardless of physical form. Giving kratos the chance to demand answers, and Faye would be as evasive as Freya was to baldur

[@paciiiimijak]

Most definitely, but considering the few times they interacted in GOWR, I think Kratos was just happy to be able to see her again.

[@mudit_mathur]

"and i would like to climb a tree again, but some ships are sailed": mimir

[@CreditR01]

Faye was already evasive their entire relationship. I'm just glad the story doesn't end with her being some master manipulator, she genuinely loved Kratos and her son and wanted to challenge fate, so she messed with it however she could. Kratos is unhappy all game about Faye's secrets, but he's not so much angry as he is sorrowful. Whenever he's alone long enough, he deeply misses and dreams of her. I see why they fell in love, they're both very resolute but private people.

[@jesusolguin5896]

@@CreditR01 yeah many forget the opening of Ragnarok is Kratos sitting looking and touching gently at the pouch that had Faye's ashes it really showed that he still missed her. Faye probably wanted them to destroy the Aseir gods at first but when she saw how broken Kratos was as she was , she came to love him and when Atreus was born she wanted to protect them for as long as she could from Ragnarok. But she knew it couldn't be avoided, whether it be Odin or the giants that struck first it was unavoidable.

[@anonymesarschgesicht1715]

"youre as beautiful as on the day i lost you"

[@georgehouliaras7239]

Freya was about to find out how Kratos became the Ghost of Sparta.

[@argiedude3762]

It really hurts when moments later Kratos is seen holding back tears while caressing the bag that had Faye 's ashes. Like, did she trick hike, did he really love him, was him just a tool? I was really happy when things turned to be the truth and that Faye really cared for him

[@muhaiminakbar4472]

But for some reason people still thinking she's a manipulative

[@josephfigues4202]

I know right. The ending literally cleared that part

[@wesleywallace4426]

@@muhaiminakbar4472 She is manipulative. She's not evil, but she did keep secrets and seemed to talk down to Kratos for not being compassionate enough despite knowing his tragic past. That doesn't mean that she was in the wrong, but she did have the choice to be 100% truthful and chose not to.

[@maallos334mi8]

@@wesleywallace4426 Not sharing knowledge always comes off as manipulative. That doesn’t always mean the person is.

[@AnotherCrazyClown]

But Freya is right, Faye wanted Kratos to kill Odin and she didn't told Kratos to do it but he'll do that exactly just how Faye wanted, if she told Kratos "go do it for me, pretty please" he would have deny it, since Kratos has the power of a god and doesn't believe in fate, destiny or prophecies, he's free to use his judgement which would have put him exactly in the place he's in right now.

[@memoryLayer]

I think he didn't deny it if she asked it. They show us quite lovely store between Kratos and Faye

[@kratosgow342]

I think he will deny it. Kratos hates for being used after a long time in Greek where he gets used and betrayed by the gods like the scene when he's pick up the blades he's no longer anyone monster

[@wesleywallace4426]

@@kratosgow342 If Faye had been 100% honest from the very start would Kratos say no? I think Kratos would say yes but he would once again wield the Blades of Chaos in an act of vengeance rather than opening up his heart to the suffering to the world and his people and rise as the God of Peace. Faye forced Kratos to promise to carry her ashes and try to voluntarily open his heart, but he could've walked away. Which makes his choice of staying more meaningful.

[@longlivevon2years576]

@@wesleywallace4426 Kratos wouldn’t have said yes at all. He said multiple times before that he refuses to let Atreus pick a fight with gods so why would he do so? Why would he want to get involved with gods knowing what happened to his last family.

[@anonymesarschgesicht1715]

I think fayes goal was less to get *revenge* on Odin through kratos, but to save the realms from ragnarok

[@nandoxus]

Freya is right tho. Kratos got used by Faye and the Jotnar to do their bidding without being aware of it at all. He got played just like he got tricked and used by Ares, Athena and Zeus. His wife put him on a direct line of fire with the Aesir and she knew exactly what she was doing. Yes she prevented the prophecy of his death from happening, but it doesn't make what she and her people did to him any less wrong.

[@Konton0178]

Elephant in the room

[@whitewolf7454]

This is all speculation, we have no idea when the Jotnar learned about Kratos and the prophecy etc. Kratos and Faye were together for 29yrs before they had Atreus according to Lore & Legends, so she could of learned about the prophecy and so on after already being in a relationship with him. I mean they tried to kill each other when they first met, if she already knew about the prophecy she wouldn’t of risked being killed by him, or killing him herself. Also she went against her own people to protect her boys, because maybe she didn’t want her husband dying or her son to serve Odin. So by letting them forge their own path, rather than follow prophecy, they both live, are happy, and are free. If Faye only cared about killing the Aesir, she wouldn’t of tried to make Kratos a better person, she’d of tried to keep him an unstoppable rage fuelled beast. The prophecy showed him dying to presumably Thor, not why he would die. Most people would assume being kind when facing a powerful god would get you killed, while being heartless would improve your chances of winning. It seems more likely that her trying to make him better, to open his heart to the world, was because she cared about him and her son. And also wanted the father and son relationship to be great, as I doubt it would of been had they just remained in their little isolation in the woods. The first prophecy apparently had both Thor and Odin alive, but the one they see at the end of Ragnarok didn’t show them dead, so they very well could be alive. I mean Kratos spares Thor and Odin, so it certainly seems to indicate Faye’s intent wasn’t to kill Thor or Odin, but to create a better life and future for her family as she says herself in the flashback.

[@jesusolguin5896]

@@whitewolf7454 I totally agree with you it's just that it lingeries in the game if we were being used or not.

[@whitewolf7454]

@@jesusolguin5896 I should of used some paragraphs in my previous comment to give people a break, but ah well. I personally don’t think so, everything we’ve heard about her, seen of her, leads me to believe she wouldn’t do something like that. Angrboda states Faye went against her own people, and it seems clear that had the Jotnar had their way, Kratos would be dead and Atreus would be serving Odin, as that was the prophecy. Thor would also still be alive, therefore the Giants wouldn’t be free, nor would the realms be free from Odin and Thor. We also know there’s no such thing as fate/destiny it’s just choices, cause and effect etc. And on the final mural in the game, none of it shows Kratos or Atreus’s ending, except for the painted over part of Thor killing Kratos that was done by Faye or Angrboda? So Faye likely had no idea what outcome would be realised when she destroyed the prophecy mural in Jotunheim, only that she wanted her husband and son to forge their own path, create their own ending. That’s my belief anyway. Hell it was Kratos changing his ways, opening his heart, (that according to the devs) changed his fate. He didn’t open his heart and so on throughout the whole of both games until the last minute of Ragnarok. So Faye is either the best seer/oracle beyond any of her own people, or she just had faith in her husband, and tried to make him a better man, to free him from his depression, self loathing, anger etc. I’m leaning towards the latter. If Faye was using Kratos, the only reason i can see for her doing so, would be for revenge/to get rid of Odin and Thor, and/or free her people. But as I said, the prophecy had both of them living, and in the final hidden mural, it didn’t show them dead there either. Though it did show Thor standing over a dead/dying Kratos. Therefore it stands to reason Faye couldn’t be sure her revenge would be achieved, and so I don’t think it’s what she intended, and instead intended what I said. But hopefully Santa Monica answer all these mysteries etc eventually. Edit: I forget to add one more part, and that’s if what I believe of Faye is true, then why did she get Kratos to cut the trees and send them on the journey she knew would lead to conflict with the Aesir? It’s more or less what I said in my previous comment. I just think she had faith in her husband, and wanted him to be free from his self loathing, anger, depression etc. Think of all the bonding he does with Atreus he never did for 11 years of his life, or the friendships he makes on his journey. Had the duo not gone on their quest, their relationship would likely remain poor, nor would Kratos met the many great people he did, and he also wouldn’t of grew into the God/man Faye believed he could be.

[@Ale_ER]

I think Freya was right on pushing Kratos to accept or at least contemplate the fact that his wife was no saint (regardless if she was right or not). I hate the trope “my wife is perfect and could never do anything wrong” so I truly enjoyed this and Minor’s convo about not knowing their wives as much as they thought. I also believe Freya overstepped and might’ve been a tad insensitive but it’s very on character for her to speak her mind very openly. Freya admitted she saw a lot of herself in Kratos and I think she might be one of the few who actually “Knows” him, that’s why she started this convo. Very similar to why Kratos told her about Deimos and commented on her relationship with Freyr especially when she did not want to hear it. It’s hard to admit and love the ugly side of your family

[@rukahazuki6650]

I have similar idea too. Faye definitely loved Kratos and their son but for them to grow and for Kratos to overcome his past and finally find happiness, they need to explore the realms and eventually involved with the Norse gods because in the end they can't really run away from that fate to become better version of themselves. However in doing so, Faye didn't tell her involvement in all of these ( prophecies, fight with Thor etc) to Kratos which is kind of questionable although she meant well. Just because Faye was a good person doesn't mean that she was 100% pure perfect saint. Everyone has the good and bad side of them. I love this kind of conversation because some players might also have speculation about Faye's intention to be with Kratos.

[@evantambolang3052]

Well duh, it's clearly depicted in game that Faye was like young Kratos who went a murderous rampage like her battle with Thor at Vanaheim that almost destroyed that realm if they kept going and is one of the reasons why Faye didn't want Atreus go down the path she and Kratos went through.

[@specialnewb9821]

Yeah, agree. She did however push a bit too far here and Mimir stepped in. Freya was also smart enough to let it go for now. Compare this to sidequests in the Crater where Kratos is still disbelieving but ultimately still faces the truth.

[@yiklongtay6029]

Freya's experience with a bad marriage probably also made her more ready to consider the idea that spouses can be manipulative

[@schmalzilla1985]

Freya has a point. Being stuck in your head on a worry, or problem you can't solve can make any person quite irritable.

[@andrei283]

Faye only used kratos for sex or to be a god killer theory debunked 1: kratos and faye tried to kill eachother the first time they met if faye only wanted to manipulate kratos she would've seduced him from the start 2: faye and kratos fought for 12 days straight until they were both exhausted showcasing she had no intention of banging kratos in that specific moment 3: she wouldn't share her secrets with kratos because he doesn't with her either also because it's her fucking business and not his even he knows this 4: the whole path to jotunheim thing was a way for kratos and atreus to build a bond with eachother as their relationship was very shit before god of war (2018) 5: faye sent them to jotunheim to spread her ashes and to also know their "fate" she knows if kratos sees his fate he'll break it he is known as the "fate breaker" 6: in the cutscenes she is shown as more wise than kratos but that is because at that time kratos was still somewhat broken only in 2018 does kratos open up his past to atreus I can do this all day 6: if faye really wanted kratos to only be a god killer than she wouldn't have mellowed him down and asked him to control his rage 7: in the god of war universe gods that know about their destiny will do their best to avoid it and this in turn will just make them happen for example zeus gets told he will die to a marked warrior what happens next? He takes kratos brother deimos and gets killed by kratos with a tattoo replica of deimos birthmark

[@moistfist1054]

Also, the reason she wanted her ashes spread in Jotunheim was because it’s a tradition. Groa, the one who saw the prophecy of Ragnarock, also wanted her ashes released at the peak of all the realms.

[@gtvn2775]

Her keeping her secrets away from him was to ensure kratos didn’t change anything. You did read the situation wrong by saying her secrets were her own. Both of them would need to open up to one another. Keeping secrets does neglect that to a point. Faye had actual good reason too, but at the same time, atreus probably should have known. You saw how brash and unpredictable(in a bad way) with everything that was going on with him. Maybe if faye didn’t have those secrets, atreus would have made such destructive and selfish behaviors in GOW 2018 and ragnarok. That and how being a god stoked his ego to nasty levels in GOW 2018. He does the same exact thing when he learns of loki and him possibly being “the champion of the jotnir.”

[@arpioisme]

Faye knew that no other person nor god can change fate except kratos. Kratos' fate is purely in the player and santa monica studios' hands

[@yoshidinono8095]

0:38 I also stop dead in my tracks to hear conversations about Kratos's life.

[@BigWheezer2000]

I think it’s plausible that everybody who’s anybody heard about what happened to the Greek Pantheon. Obviously Odin and Mimir knew of it, so it’s not crazy to imagine that the Jotnar knew of it as well. Killing an entire group of gods is something that would probably ripple through all worlds. That said, it’s not hard to imagine Faye knew of this and planned accordingly

[@Armendicus]

Freya lowkey spittin facts.

[@andrios6676]

my man mimir saving lives over here

[@Heaven0854]

Freya was unironically correct lmao

[@hagamapama]

Tis is a funny little scene because EVERYONE is right.

[@Necrobadger]

Now I want a minigame of Kratos climbing Fey jokingly, with her only a bit taller than him, like 5-9 feet taller.

[@spaghettimonster2798]

Make Kratos climb her like Ratatoskr climbed Kratos.

[@aditghifari5039]

Kratos got snu snu

[@ragnaroksolstice5832]

His voice said it all....

[@craxnor]

I could see why Kratos was hesitant to bring up Faye. His entire life everyone he has ever known have used him and saw him as nothing more than a tool of war. The one good thing he found in his new life, and all of it could have been a lie.

[@omaravalos1234]

That awkward moment when Freya knew what Faye wanted more than Kratos

[@kaikart123]

Freya is right though, Faye is not as pure as we think she is, Kratos also knew of this deep down, he just do not want to admit it and tainted his trust for his wive.

[@jacobwright8652]

God the dialogue is so well written here. There's so many layers to this small exchange.

[@yashasvihanda6516]

My mans Mimir having none of it from Freya 😤 standing for his bro Kratos. True giga chad sigma grindset king moment 😤😤

[@mandalor-8315]

This is just flat out one of the GREATEST Games in Gaming history the story the characters everything

[@stargazer6510]

Feya from what I can understand did love him. "Open your heart to the world as you have done for me. And you will find many reasons to live." Feya absolutely loved Kratos. But seeing the prophecy she wanted to change that. So she what was the most logical thing. She let Kratos, the man who has cheated, death and fate to choose his own path. Where did it led him? A better future. Both her son and husband found a new path and a better future. Rest is irrelevant to her. If she had not let Kratos embark on the journey and let him choose his own path, it very possible that the prophecy would have come true like the giants have fourteen.

[@fckihate69jokes]

Kratos has a way to vent out his feelings "SPARTAN RAGE!"

[@i_am_dementia9926]

So I'm happy we are talking about this because I felt angry too. I feel deep down Kratos knows Fay used him, but she obviously loved him and her son to walk out on her own people to save them from their original fate. Doesn't that count for something?

[@jesusolguin5896]

Just like Mimir said in God of War 2018 it all about perspective, it counts that she left the giants to be with Kratos and Atreus, that showed that she loved them but it lingerie whether she was playing the long game or not. Personally I like that they never outright tell us it is up to us whether we think she was using us. I like to think not.

[@bonelesschickennuggets1868]

If she really wanted to manipulate Kratos into causing Ragnarök and obliterate all of the Aesir in vengeance, why would she take so much time and effort into giving him the seeds necessary to make him a better person? Why would she tell him to open his heart to the world? If all she needed was a destroyer why would she teach him to be sympathetic and so forth? No, Faye put Kratos on his first journey to a path where he would start opening up not only to other people (Freya, Mimir, the Dwarfs, even Baldur to some extent) but also specially his son. I dunno why people don’t get the point that Freya is trying to manipulate Kratos into being general for Ragnarök, it’s pretty on the nose how she’s trying to build a narrative over something she doesn’t know anything about

[@LvXGameMaster]

Gotta love that Mimir stepped in for his bro. I love that head.

[@DiamondTheFairy]

Am I the only one who noticed the background sound getting more tense right before mimir stepped in? Then it calmed down? I like that detail, even if it wasn’t intentional, makes me wonder what would have happened if Mimir didn’t step in.

[@oolooo]

0:12 Frankly , I find that insanely attractive

[@Im_Blitz]

"You're right, it's not for me to say", said Freya after she already said it all.

[@coldblizzard5880]

Y’all mean to tell me she’s wrong though? Don’t matter what Kratos might think Faye was right and did this on purpose. Doesn’t Kratos figure this out by the end of the game (if I remember correctly)?

[@ostatnisiewcawiatru6141]

Ahhh yes a great cutscene from Dragon Age Inquisition

[@oguzelinc2048]

What if Kratos is another revenge tool but this time his wife's and her kin...

[@Tonymobb110]

Freya had a point here, but damn she had better hope to learn boundaries…

[@croisaor2308]

I got the feeling from the first game that Faye had planned everything down to meeting Kratos, having Atreus and even her death in an attempt to deliberately cause Ragnarok to avenge the Jotnar by destroying Asgard. It would have been far more depressing if she had only used Kratos to have Atreus at first and then actually fell in love after it was too late to stop the prophecy, but when Kratos found out he still succeeds in breaking the prophecy because his love for Atreus was still real even if he was manipulated into having him. I think it would have been an interesting twist to make Faye a villain to some degree but probably too dark for what they were aiming for. I really liked the optimistic ending for this game after all the destruction, manipulation and hatred in the rest of the series.

[@unclecheese1157]

Mimirs last sentence, basically "kratos and you are still on bad terms, so its best for you to stop poking"

[@Gungho73]

This definitely felt tense in a world filled with conversations that seem to have that right.

[@Vespyr_]

Faye just used Kratos. Every time they showed her in the game there was no genuine compassion or love in her for Kratos. She just made a weapon out of him. I always got weird vibes from her every time she was on screen. I can't be the only one.

[@unholymalformationoffisto2131]

This is something that was in my head even in the last game, I feel like they didnt build upon it because it could take away from the feel their relationship had but I one hundred percent believe she was using him. Sure, maybe she had some passion for him over time, but her being a giant and possibly even seeing future events, she could have known the whole time that to bring down Asgard she needed to woo this pantheon slayer and bear his child to avenge her people. She probably loved Atreus but I feel like a lot of it on both fronts was some iron clad obligation she felt to see that outcome through, leading to breaking the stave and forcing theitlr journey to unfold.

[@duck-ew5zs]

In a side quest it also seem like she deeply hated Thor and in one of the murals, that she for sure saw, Kratos got killed and Atreus summons Jormungandr to kill Thor. One could argue she also saw her son as a weapon against Thor and Odin. Would be super wack tho, Kratos seem to love her genuinely it would be really heartbreaking if he just got used again

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Maybe her using him was the plan at first, but she fell in love for real shortly after they met.

[@troybake3]

If she was using Kratos then perhaps it would be better if she didn't change Kratos's nature of killing a god right. Faye perhaps didn't straight fall in love with Kratos after meeting with him but it changes along the line that she actively tries to change Kratos's fate where he didn't died at Loki's hand. If she doesn't love Kratos then she wouldn't destroy the mural at Jötunheimr

[@Konton0178]

Definitely

[@Seraphiel29]

We can't pretend that Freya didn't say what everyone was thinking.

[@dabaruknemuhar1981]

Maybe Faye wanted them to go to Joutenheim so they'd travel together, learn more about the world, make friends, socialize, live a life outside the forest, find a purpose in life and live a good life. Faye would've also wanted Kratos and Atreus to move on with their lives from her, she definitely wanted them to be happy and content and not just mourn her forever. She wanted this for Kratos to forgive himself, to redeem himself, to be a better man and to let go, and for Atreus to grow up, mature, and follow his own path.

[@lambo2655]

Did they reveal in either game how Faye died. I played them both and did all the side quests but I never found the answer.

[@BenzilJohn_infinity]

Freya is absolutely right? Faye is not the person we think she is. She has been leading us into things that only she knows about. Freya also rightly pointed out how Odin always antagonized the giants and nearly wiped them off twice. Odin knew some secrets about the giants. He also personally sent Baldur on mission to track down Faye and Faye was hiding herself in the forest with the spell. Also the very first dialogue in this video, Freya asks if Faye was one of the giants and Kratos says She was Jotnar. This is a possible foreshadowing that Faye is not actually a giant, but was accepting into Jotenheim by the giants perhaps stuck a deal with them. I guess we will get to know who Faye really is and what was her motive to come to Jotenheim the next (possible Atreus spinoff) series. I believe Faye has some connection to the rift Odin was seeking about.

[@foulbeast3904]

"Not that there's anything wrong with a disparity in size. Or number of limbs, say." Big self report, Mimir. But I respect it.

[@Smell-sama]

Freya is crazy for pressing kratos