INTERNET HISTORY: Dramagedon 2 (Part 2)

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[@renetc.]

Jeffree Star using Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClains name to distract from his behavior was absolutely disgusting! Especially the fact he got got Elijah's name wrong

[@jakeylla]

Truly made me feel disgusted. I was BLOWN when he mispronounced his Elijah's name

[@CJAmara]

I will never forget that he did that. It was truly repulsive and at that point it was clear that he was out of options

[@wateryoutalkingabout6113]

We love an intelligent and marketing oriented queen

[@Xxsorafan]

He don’t give a damn

[@giaparmer]

Waiiit brought me right back and got my DAMN feet sweating!! I was so focused on the fact that he was speaking mess on Breonna Taylor’s name before her killers had even been arrested and indicted that I forgot he *ALSO* mispronounced Elijah McClain‘s name

[@ericat2209]

It went from a bunch of awful people doing awful things to each other to literal crimes

[@wateryoutalkingabout6113]

Unpopular but thats what made it actually spicy and entertaining. Beforehand they were just alleging each other was a bad friend and a snake boo hoo yawn booring. Then James started doing God’s work and brought some REAL entertainment just like an investigation Netflix series we love him for that! ❣️I hope he goes for under 10 years old this time and that Ethan and Trisha make another video about it, and Jeffree becomes shady purr about it on Twitter and tmz covers it so I can order pizza 😄

[@emlee4323]

@@wateryoutalkingabout6113 you love James for being a literal predator?

[@_Snarkles]

@@wateryoutalkingabout6113 Your comment is really gross. James was preying on CHILDREN! That's not entertainment, that is disgusting! Edit: You hope he goes for kids under 10 years old??? wtf is wrong with you??

[@wateryoutalkingabout6113]

@@_Snarkles Oh boo hoo they’re gonna be fine werent they like 17 😑🥱 I thought we were dragging him just for the sake of it and cancel parties and stan twitter fights cuz in reality those minors dont even count as minors in my book they know what they’re doing who cares about them spoiled braindamaged tiktok fvckboys 🥱🤣🤣

[@_Snarkles]

​@@wateryoutalkingabout6113 Oh sure, let's victim blame the minors instead of blaming James- the adult in the situation who SHOULD KNOW BETTER. People like you are why victims never speak out or are afraid to.

[@SpookyLipsAndFatHips]

I’d bet money that Shane re-recorded him watching all the videos to make it seem like it was the first time he saw it

[@arelyarellano6070]

Miss you and your videos 💗

[@jessm2560]

Yup 🖤💜🖤

[@CJAmara]

Definitely

[@faycoleman9023]

1000%

[@Sarah-lv6jx]

100000%

[@asmrglow]

Pause okay ma'am this hairstyle looks gorgeous on you ok unpause go ahead

[@asmrglow]

specifically 0:55 when i looked back at the video and gasped

[@spinach115]

RIGHT

[@discendos]

1000000%!!

[@cecifan14]

Omg i love your videos as well 🥰

[@kaligrrrl]

YES.

[@mackenzier.9453]

I feel like the beauty community looks back on the Dramagedon series like it’s a series of wars “The four nations lived in peace until the beauty nation attacked”

[@RedSpade37]

This might be the funniest rendition of this reference I've seen, haha. Thank you!

[@idiot-abroad]

Gaming. Beauty. Family vlogs. Candle reviews. Long ago the four nations lived in harmony. Then everything changed when the Beauty nation attacked

[@hannahstolzer2085]

Heck the four nations could really be Tati, James, Jeff, and Shane 😂😂. Then Tati attacked

[@Cruz4cool]

@@idiot-abroad CANDLE REVIEWS LOL

[@yaversetwo101]

jeffery: *literally using someone's sa story to create a puppet show and give him leverage for his career and reputation* shane: ok lol small creator: so im not gonna buy this product because i dont think its worth the price shane: how DARE you

[@TotoLevski]

HAHAHA

[@clairekookoo]

do you think Shane said the anti-haul thing because so many creators kept saying they were not buying j star releases & the roasting packaging etc. 🤔 Maybe? Idk just a thought

[@giaparmer]

@@clairekookoo yes

[@larissabrglum3856]

@@clairekookoo Seems very likely to me.

[@Theirtherethere.]

@@TotoLevski lllllllllllllllllll

[@elysesedore-mallin4327]

"I hope you guys weren't bothered by my commentary." Hannah, you are a commentary channel, that's why we're here lol.

[@jazzycat8917]

Gaslight: Jeffree Gatekeep: Shane Girlboss: Tati Guilt-trip: James The four horseman of the trashpocalypse

[@jinniedoesstuff367]

It’s frankly terrifying how easily the narrative was changed multiple times by Jeffrey, Shane, James, and Tati. They’re geniuses at gaslighting and manipulating the publics opinion…

[@fadalerabrasool3563]

What made it more interesting was that everyone went along with one narrative after the other because each time it made more sense and it adds up to what many people have came forward with outside of the drama. Overall this was an unwinnable situation and all of them deserved the loss of their relavancy. Maybe tati can bounce back given how she didnt really do anything illegal but jeffree shane and james are all ireedemable and all deserved to be deplatformed and jailed

[@eleanor1105]

But Tati was right? She didn't manipulate anything except tell the truth.

[@fadalerabrasool3563]

@@eleanor1105 but in her breaking my silence. She took back everything she said and blamed everything on being fed the information by shane and jeffree. so this is a really I'm screwed situation on her end

[@VDiamond11]

Call me cynical but that probably has something to do with why they got to be so successful on the backs of all their fans.

[@user-es4yw7pv9r]

Smokey: "I have to end at some point instead of ranting for the next 3 hours" I honestly would not mind watching a three hour rant from you 😩

[@_Snarkles]

Same here.

[@plumenommershpadoinkle7575]

SAME

[@jamiemasters2464]

Live stream rants!

[@emaugusta9880]

Same!!!

[@beviegarcia1552]

Same lol

[@jwmilli]

“Just because it’s the end of a chapter doesn’t mean you can just burn the book” This is perfection 👏🏻👏🏻🎁

[@leestoichkova]

I want this tattooed on me

[@simonb323]

the reason i'll never say "oh shane and jeffree were right" even though factually they were is because I don't think they cared if it was true. They didn't care about the victims they cared about themselves and taking down james

[@danishabbas1121]

Not exactly i mean. Jeffree did bad stuff but he apologized for it. And he is staying out of drama it’s been two years. Therapy really helped him. He has changed so much! I really feel like he was just trying to warn us about it

[@simonb323]

@@danishabbas1121 did he apologize for weaponizing someone else's sexual assault when he knew for a fact the victim didn't want it to be discussed? i'm being 50% shady but also it's a legitimate question because i don't remember him mentioning it in a video

[@danishabbas1121]

@forest rin i really recommend you to watch his video titled “selling my house and getting help” thank you! It’s like 4 months ago

[@elenal.95]

@@danishabbas1121 even if Jeffree did change and showed that through his actions it still wouldn’t be enough for some people because they just hate him and don’t believe he can change

[@danishabbas1121]

@@elenal.95 true! Which is kinda ironic. People need to stop acting like they are perfect

[@KaseyWithers]

Shane's Livestream was CRAZY, I was in the middle of Tatis video when I got the notification from shane and seeing him fake scream, fake accuse, and logging off because ryland said so in such a serious way, like that was the turning point for me seeing behind the mask. It was NUTS and there were tens of thousands of people in that live, so wild.

[@vaishnavigosain7197]

Ikr that Livestream instantly exposed him! The fact that he jumped to give a statement immediately without watching the entire thing and looked so out of control for something that should've been the least of his concern at that point just proved his guilt to me.

[@KaseyWithers]

@@vaishnavigosain7197 what got me was invalidating her assault by saying his was more severe :/ as a victim you should always believe and validate other victims, the second he said that I was turned. Then obviously like smokey said, after that people were going through his old content I was completely done. Seeing those clips again as an adult brain rather than a 13 year old brain, really turned me away from him. It's like we knew it all along but that live stream broke the facade he had built with all the docuseries

[@catherinedean3796]

I even noticed, watching D’Angelo Wallace’s reuploaded Shane Dawson video, the part of him stomping around his mansion breathily repeating “oh my god” really gave me “unhinged Criminal Minds sub who know he’s caught or about to get caught” and it just really didn’t sit right with me

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Ryland was the only one not acting in that moment

[@rebeccaabram2312]

Its worth mentioning that at the time of the 'Breaking my Silence' she was in the middle of 3-4 lawsuits with WOACB and her business partner, makes sense that the lawyers were all over the video to insure she wouldn't get sued...AGAIN. I think its less 'Tati suing somebody' and more 'Tati trying not to get sued AGAIN'

[@collyflower6623]

Breaking my Silence was in June 2020 and both lawsuits didn't start until October 2020. Unless you mean the 4 cease & desists Tati sent WOACB?

[@rebeccaabram2312]

@@collyflower6623 And the still ongoing lawsuits with her former business partner. Seriously those things are STILL GOING STRONG.

[@amberelizabeth9697]

The whole dramageddon series really showed Shane’s true colors and just how awful he really is, specifically after Tati’s Breaking My Silence video. Add in all of the past nonsense and we really got a clear picture of who Shane really is. Yikes. Great video, Hannah! ❤️

[@kellywolstenholme8134]

what’s crazy too is that if Shane had been filming at almost any other part of Tati’s video, he might’ve gotten away with it since a lot of people were side-eyeing Tati. but the moment he rolled his eyes and groaned at Tati mentioning her sexual assault, he lost the support he could’ve had.

[@stxrstrxckmxteo515]

@@marshmallsy yeah it proved he was who people thought he was, I can now without doubt say he had something to do with tanacon and probably other things

[@melonpeach9723]

Again wanna say: Tati never mentioned relations with young boys. James talking to young boys is absolutely horrific and disgusting, but we need to separate that from Tati’s Bye Sister video. Tati alluded to him being somebody who preyed on straight men and tried to turn them bi or gay because of his fame iykwis

[@Askalott]

Yeah, some of the commentary on Tati was a little inaccurate.

[@kaylacrouse7094]

She never did, but the underage guys came forward afterwards so I think it’s easy to lump it in. But you are right, she never did say anything about young boys.

[@aunpaidintern7035]

The underlying theme is that James is a person who attempts to use his fame to pressure guys into doing what he wants. Mind you these are unavailable guys. Tati said they were straight, the boys came out saying they were underaged and/or straight. James is a sicko preying on vulnerable guys. They're always 1) str8/bi-curious/dl; 2) young people in HIS fanbase; 3) people with less income. Don't forget the now infamous "So what, I'm a celebrity" and "You can't afford a plane ticket but I can. That's what I'm bringing to the relationship what are you doing?"

[@thefirstface4575]

They were still kids Tati just didn’t care that they were kids because she saw him as a kid.

[@jasmyneeee]

i think the reason why a lot of people subscribe to the narrative that tati + others were ‘right’ with the ‘bye sister’ video is because a fair amount of j*mes’ victims identify as straight. that being said, i fully believe that t*ti, sh*ne, and j* knew that j*mes was preying on underaged boys, but omitted that part purely bc they knew that 1. people would call them out for not speaking up about it sooner; (especially if they were to bring receipts) and 2. they clearly didn’t care about ANY of j*mes’ victims, they were only looking to get rid of the competition/humble him out of pure jealousy. it’s disgusting.

[@kaydee4whitlock]

I think the whole situation just really showed everyone how easily manipulated we can be by these big players. It personally makes me want to really support the smaller channels that manage to stay out of drama.

[@haruhwa]

shane still has 20M subscribers. we are easily manipulated and stay manipulated.

[@denissecam1075]

Same! I used to love Tati. Now I don't think I'll ever watch her again.

[@hannahbarbarian6786]

@@haruhwa who's we?

[@roelin360]

This situation made me straight up stop watching any beauty content until the last month or so

[@firequeen9018]

Imagine having a piece of incredibly personal and sensitive information that a person doesn’t want you to share, and then thinking, maybe I SHOULD share it. And you know who I should share it with? THE WHOLE INTERNET. Like what even is Jeffree’s thought process. WTF?

[@aunpaidintern7035]

To be fair it was James who outed his victim. Jeffree sent texts to James where he threatened having Zach, Nate's little brother, and then one of the Dolan boys go on camera to talk about their experiences with James. James was the one who published that text. Regardless it is morally wrong to use someone's SA as "tea" or "blackmail." Blair White and Keem are sleezy but I don't believe they'd stoop down to helping Jeffree spread some fabricated SA story.

[@KetchupRocket]

Anyone who says they are an empath isn’t an empath. They’re just a very high key emotional person that overanalyzes others emotions because they can’t correctly assess their own. My ex best friend used to proclaim she was an empath constantly just like Shane. Really she had her own problems that she would project onto others to justify her own problematic behavior (including later assaulting me). A real empath doesn’t need to announce it, you just feel their kindness.

[@madisonmarshall1583]

i thought i was an empath turns out im just autistic

[@jordanwhite7377]

@@madisonmarshall1583 this made me laugh

[@Angrysheepherder]

Whenever someone says they're an empath I automatically hear them telling me that they're a narcissist.

[@inkypunk]

You beautifully summed up the problem I keep running into with self proclaimed empaths

[@noelle9685]

wow i relate to this so hard and agree. my ex best friend and i are no longer friends for this exact reason.

[@jane8557]

To me Shane has been living his whole KZbin life on easy mode. Then suddenly he “joins” the beauty community with jeffree and is surprised when he’s thrown in drama. It also speaks volumes when he says “I’m too sensitive for this shit” when in reality Shane just couldn’t handle people rightfully calling him out for his nepotism and privilege. Definitely was a bit for a slap in the face for me.

[@Rockyroxtar]

Genuine question, how is Shane Dawson a child of nepotism

[@elizaphernelia]

@@Rockyroxtar i think they meant he got a lot of fame/sales because of jeffree star, it didnt come completely from him. like jeffree got shane money and fame by allowing him to create and sell a palette with his business instead of shane starting from scratch and making his own business or palette on his own. i hope that made sense for you

[@eleanor1105]

@@elizaphernelia i suppose "connections" would be the right word then

[@jasperlee1025]

​​@@Rockyroxtarnepotism doesn't have to mean gaining opportunities from your parents! it also applies to friends in high places giving you a spot in their business despite you having no experience when they would've not hired someone else like you

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@Rockyroxtarwhile he wasn't youtube famous rich he is still well off enough to sound tone deaf

[@AS-zz2ke]

Sometimes I get the feeling that Jeffree, Shane and Tati didn't expect people to focus on the sexual misconduct allegations, hence why they were flip flopping from one side to the other with the voice note and then never saying that he was a predator. I also still think that the voice note thing is absolutely mind blowing. They allegedly had this voice note that they (or at least Jeffree) would freely show to everyone who asked behind the scenes but wouldn't post on the internet and we as the audience just had to trust everyone's word on this. What Jeffree was saying to me literally boiled down to 'oh you have to trust me on this, I would never make this up' when the entire scandal was quite literally him making so many things up. Also how were we supposed to believe that the victim wanted to stay private when Jeffree showed the voice note to every single person IRL, maybe it was fake after all (to be clear, I think it is very clearly not fake but at that point I was just so confused). So many creators said that they heard the voice note too and that it was legit but because we the audience never found out who it allegedly was and never got any details, I felt very icky just blindly believing this because Jeffree is 100% comfortable faking something like this too. Edit: What it boils down to, either the voice note is fake and Jeffree is comfortable enough to fake it realistically enough so that everyone who hears it believes it OR the voice note is real and Jeffree is comfortable with using it as leverage and for manipulation. Both paint Jeffree in an absolutely disgusting light.

[@mzcytin]

To me, the most interesting thing in all of this was when Tati said KZbin execs asked her to come to their offices to meet with them about it. I just always found that detail fascinating; KZbin execs called a KZbinr in for a meeting over some drama... that just so happened to involve the creator that KZbin execs sent to the Met gala. I wonder what went on in that room.

[@Hurricanetongue]

Well James was/is besties with Susan so I'm sure that had something to do with it. I also feel James lawyered up and that along with Susan probably made both jeffrey and tati backtrack. They are all complicit because they enabled James Charles to keep being a predator

[@JinMeowsoon]

Her and JS most likely got threatened with a horrific diffamation lawsuit sponsored by KZbin. It's not petty youtube drama, they made criminal allegations of sexual misconduct publicly, which is a recipe to get sued for diffamation and since they're the ones making the allegations, they would have needed to prove JC did what he did, which wouldn't have been possible unless the victims pressed charges and their legal team would have shown tangible and receivable proofs of the accusations. Taking into account the scope of the scandal, JC and KZbin (his business partner / representative / whatever) could have asked millions in compensations over reputation damage and lost business opportunities. On top of that, if authorities would have taken the case after the drama, they could become persons of interest and if something had comes up proving they knew of the crimes and did nothing about it, they could have also got dragged to court. This whole drama is some high level of bullshit, people keep mentioning how horrific these 3 are for covering him until they saw an opportunity, but what could have they done? If you know someone is a predator, you don't call them out publicly, you lawyer up and share proves of your allegations to whatever competent legal authority with a written agreement you won't be mentioned unless it's absolutely necessary at a potential trial.

[@larchiel]

It feels like all that stuff happened yesterday,crazy how fast time goes. I was a freshman when all this stuff dropped😂

[@adrianarr13]

same!

[@shairisavihar2747]

Same haha. I remember being in class and turning around to tell me friends “omg the waiter just dropped a video !!”

[@rachelkibler5812]

At the same time it feels like it happened like 6 years ago!! I’m 18 now and was 16 when it all happened!!!

[@jasminelambert3753]

I was a senior in high school. I remember telling my English teacher about it lmao he vaguely knew who James Charles was (he was in his late twenties) but I let him know about what Tati said about James lol

[@Catsby83]

I remember sitting with a friend at lunch and she was talking to her mates about James Charles & bye sister. I had no idea what they were talking about. Oh how the times have changed.

[@piscesmoon6333]

perfect timing for me to snuggle up in bed and go down a drama filled memory lane. ♥️💫

[@sydneyanderson9370]

YES!

[@divestdreamer]

I’m literally snuggled up right now 😌

[@SparkleDeluxe_minecrafter]

Yesssss. I got my layers I'm ready to wind down

[@piscesmoon6333]

i hope nobody had any bad dreams about J* or JC or anyone else lmao

[@flowermoonstudio2782]

@@piscesmoon6333 "J*" i love that abreviation lol

[@dianamonge4406]

I remember when youtube drama was juicy stupid gossip i could mindlessly listen to, this was too serious and the way some people treated it like it was "tea" when they were talking about actual victims was disgusting and made me reconsider how many other "tea" videos i watched that should've been treated more seriously.

[@IvyroseGullwhacker]

It's insane that in June 2019, it seemed so all-consuming and internet-dominating...and now with how the world changed in spring 2020, by the time Breaking My Silence happened...I couldn't bring myself to care. Bigger problems in the world. Bigger fish to fry and I just didn't have the capacity to care. Insane how much the world, and my personal priorities, changed in a short time.

[@iridizousa8578]

Exactly. Also I was disgusted with how the sexual assault allegations and the victims were treated. I think that everyone was so focused on their idols losing face that the victims NEVER got any justice. I think even the people that were trying to help them did so for their own personal gain to some extent (ex Chris Hansen). In 2020 everything was just so serious and the way people were treating literal crimes like it was high school drama infuriated me

[@Ren_NCTzen]

"What in the Harvey Weinstein" as an expression for Tati saying she wanted to warn JC that allegations were coming and he needed to get out of it was such an appropriate expression

[@alexismaynor9528]

This is so unrelated but I need y’all to know that I managed to get all A’s in my first college semester and I’m so proud of myself 😭 Glowmas has been a real treat this year!!

[@nely5164]

Ayyyyeee that’s fantastic!!! Great job, I’m proud of you too!

[@krixkhaos]

Well done!!!! College is hard. Go forth and keep killing it! :D

[@cheryle.4826]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@noeliboeromaiorano]

Congrats!! Enjoy the recess and keep the work going!

[@maybe8029]

congratulations, that is not easy (especially the first semester)! hope you can have a relaxing and restful winter break!!

[@JaimeLeighArt]

This look is 🔥🔥😱 Also, “What in the Harvey Weinstein…” needs to become part of the lexicon

[@BooFlo62]

I can tell she's been watching Swoop

[@h0neydrip495]

We need shirts.

[@asmileisspecial]

Imagine the collab, I think it would be hilarious

[@AndreaB140]

Haha that was my favourite part

[@luxxestone7462]

19:30 and not only did he say "fuck all of you" but he took all of their money too. He made unholy amounts of money from that palette. THEN he was done with the beauty community. A fool, I tell you. lol

[@ondine3335]

I'm still mad that james charles publically CONFESSED TO A CRIME and hasn't had to face legal consequences. like that's not something you make an apology video about, that's something you go to jail for

[@JamieRoseLincoln]

TRUTH. HE LITERALLY GAVE A LEGALLY BINDING STATEMENT IN VIDEO

[@nicolekennedy2987]

This is infuriating. It's absolutely INSANE that a predator like James Charles gets to just skate away from what he did with ultimately no consequences.

[@kaemincha]

law enforcement generally does not treat online accusations of public figures very seriously, i mean look at how much fucked up shit Onision has done

[@Mel_o1234]

The part where Tati said that she posted Bye Sister to warn him of incoming sexual allegations and give him time to prepare…What the hell? Disgusting

[@Hurricanetongue]

So she pretty much knew james charles was into some nefarious nasty predatory shit and kept enabling him

[@LifeOfTheAngels]

This whole video just reignited my distain for JS and why he’s so evil, the fact he kept alluding to this voice note and being like “I’m not go to expose a SA victim” but then literally shopped it around to multiple content creators, having this dark information looming over them knowing they’re not going to do anything with it bc that would make THEM look crazy as well as knowing the individual on the voice note wouldnt come out, basically having it be like this open secret that everyone knows but won’t talk about, like that’s diabolical, and the fact shane still associated with him after that makes him just as bad

[@codymartin1811]

This comment is Spot On!!!!

[@KRF439]

I think the litigations/legal stuff that Tati references could be her lawsuit with Katie Joy from Without a Crystal Ball. That whole situations really started when bye sister dropped and Katie Joy started to "report" on it.

[@AMFibers]

Agree. Also, any legal issues between her and Jeffrey and Shane could have been settled before any lawsuit was filed. That's pretty common.

[@seeyoucu]

I think that's correct.

[@SS-xr7jf]

Yeah. I never found that part of what she said questionable. Alternatively The legal stuff could just have easily been to avoid giving fodder for people to use against her in a possible legal dispute, regardless of whether she initiated the lawsuit, or it is brought about by someone else.

[@dash-x]

Katie started writing about the Westbrook’s back in 2019 though, when she was a contractor with patheos. Then continues harrasing them on YT when she was let go. After four C&Ds Patheos decided to end her contract, and a first for the company, Patheos removed all her articles from the site. The articles were beyond lies and defamation that Patheos didn’t want to deal with the risk she continued to present. She also accused James Westbrook of ki-ll-ing his own mother for a house, and said her father was a mobster criminal because she couldnt find his Birth certificate. That’s beyond unnecessary and creepy. She went wayyy across the line, between harassing and digging in too deep, doxxing private information, making fun of her for not being able to conceive, but to go so far as to label them criminals and accusing him of Mvrder is beyond atrocious. Kate agreed in order for them to drop the lawsuit, to remove all the remaining content on them, stop speaking of them, to testify against Swanson, and to hand over all her communications with the Westbrook’s ex business partner they are in litigation with.

[@simonb323]

"the drama that never ended" is officially how i refer to dramagedon 2

[@hannahfully]

can we take a sec to appreciate this hair and makeup look? so beautiful hannah!!!

[@_Snarkles]

She looks amazing! ❤️

[@danielabelman3752]

Regardless of what James ended up actually doing, Tati still had a responsibility to act properly if she did indeed know about those things. Not only for the victims themselves, but for her fanbase. She didn't call him out for a pattern of behaviors that she knew about, she basically clutched her pearls and pretended he was too crass about being gay. Saying "oh my god you tried to trick someone into being gay" without calling out his actual crimes is damaging to the gay community. Sexual assault is real and needs to be dealt with, your mom being upset because he might've mentioned a blow job at the dinner table is not the same thing! She can call James out for using his fame and money to pray on young fans without perpetuating the idea that gay men are all out to get you.

[@OpossumOnTheMoon]

Tati never claimed James was a predator to minors, she only alleged that he tried to turn straight men gay (which is ew). The child predator thing came from the boys coming out themselves around that time and Jeffrey.

[@mackenziespeer4734]

It's especially fucked up when you realize that Tati mentioned being a victim of s**ual assault herself, and was still trying to warn James about his victims coming forward. You'd think she would've sided with his victims instead of defending James after the fact. Super shady.

[@alfwinnn4224]

Right?! Like if she knows what being a victim of that is like why would she take the side of the accused. Like wtf?!

[@meiday154]

That's one of the most disgusting things about this whole situation. It further discredits her as a person bc how dare she?

[@katief467]

Do I already know every detail of Dramageddon 2? Yes. Do I still feel the need to relive it again and again? Yes. 😂 great vid Hannah!

[@grabieljimenez6511]

Do you honestly think I'm going to watch 45 minutes of a person talking about people making makeup that I'm never going to wear because I don't like to wear makeup and all the drama they have been involved ? ..... HELL YEAH ! already drinking my hot chocolate :3

[@casperaaron5530]

Not me with the hot chocolate too 😊

[@katetempleton9669]

Literally me! I don't wear makeup, I'm not subscribed to makeup gurus, but somehow I'm watching videos about this drama lol

[@sahie]

I found you through the Bye Sister scandal! I was Team Tati when it was just drama, then for ages I thought James had been vindicated, now I land in the same camp as you. Everyone sucks, the victims of James Charles were used as pawns and that sucks. 😔

[@Euphoria7705]

These men dead ass came into a wholesome flourishing genre on KZbin, ruined it with petty drama and manipulating their audiences and now, people are migrating to other forms of videos (Tiketok) or changing their content all together or just not doing beauty anymore. And it really sucks cause now as a beauty KZbinr you have to always watch your back from other players in the community, developers for your product, if you even have enough repertoire to create a product-- or risk being gatekept by bigger youtubers or not being allowed to make mistakes as a smaller rand now dealing with large and overwhelming fame and customers for your new brand. It can't be blamed on all them, but the Dramagedons have really created a dark cloud over commentary and beauty and influencing that will make it hard for people who are unproblematic to break those barriers that weren't there or weren't a big issue before these bigger Influencers.

[@juliaszabla8317]

i forgot about how unhinged that shane dawson manifesto was. what a time

[@soygenialnumero1693]

I wil NEVER forget a video i saw on d'angelos channel where Shane was KISSING A 12 YEAROLD ON CAMERA. You SHOULD NOT be able to recover from that, yet he did. Being rich and white really gets you anywhere i guess

[@Suspiria-Baybee]

ALSO: I would love to see Lipstickgate covered in this series, as that entire ordeal had so many twists, turns and unanswered questions.

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

The Jacklyn Hill debacle? Man that was a trip

[@NikkiPebbles]

I literally JUST finished part 1 of this 5 mins ago hahahahahhah and was SO bummed that part 2 wasn't out. and LOOK AT THIS!!! AHHHH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!!! You are incredible!

[@awetistic5295]

It's such an important point that Jeffree and Shane being right about James doesn't change anything about them being horrible people. It's like Onision being right about Shane, doesn't make him a better person. Jeffree, Shane and Tati all knew to an extent what James did, but only decided to make it public when it fit their own agenda.

[@antoinelk00]

This hairstyle, the shiny eyeshadow with the nude/bare lip, is a vibe, yes Smokey, you better make us pass out! Lol

[@mortimerjames218]

Jeff hasn't changed, he moved to a ranch & downgraded his life bc his cosmetic sales are literally down 75%.

[@fadalerabrasool3563]

Karma on him for making fun of people who arent as rich as he was

[@adrianagauci4894]

Pretty much 😂

[@mortimerjames218]

@@fadalerabrasool3563 oh DEFINITELY! He had welllll deserved Karma coming, & I think this is just the start.

[@honoratagold]

the area where he lives is also where a lot of rich famous people live basically for tax reasons iirc.

[@oCakeable]

"Jeff" is such a powerplay. It took me longer than it should based on everything to figure out who Jeff is lmao Too used to hearing Jeffrey Star (spelled wrong on purpose)

[@kylewebb1005]

The best unintended thing to come from this whole thing is Peter Monn getting to say "Hot Tati" every video covering the topic

[@user-be7vo3gm4t]

to think this all started over coachella and some vitamins

[@missmadyreads]

I'm glad you covered this as a lot of us, me included, forget about these things overtime. Watching this has refueled my rage on this situation, and these four involved definitely shouldn't be having a platform. Your coverage on this made me realize some points I never even thought of. Like the fact that the "Breaking My Silence" video possibly discouraged victims from coming forward. That's infuriating.

[@ashleygroobz]

I am so amazed at how you can talk about all these different details and aspects so naturally! You are such an articulate and talented person!

[@t_writer17]

The Shane livestream was insane. I remember calling my sister because it was so crazy that it even happened. We were huge Tati fans at the time so we were deep in this and watched like everything on it. It’s so crazy to look back and relive all of this.

[@vaishnavigosain7197]

I love how Hannah is just reminding us why we shouldn't be too quick to forgive these people now that they've made a come back with these type of videos🙌

[@ulayusequaluk]

I legitimately do not understand how any of the influencers who have said they've heard that voice note ever consented to actually listening to it. JS said that the alleged victim didn't want this to be public, so why the hell are they listening to it when consent wasn't given for them to hear it?

[@XiaoZhen1234]

That, and they listen to it, then do nothing on it (like alert proper authorities or call out J*). Or even worse, those who listen and then make content about it, justifying whatever J* behaviour was.

[@Hurricanetongue]

@@XiaoZhen1234 the police can't do anything unless the victim reports it.

[@clairecramer4425]

I think that court case was actually her lawsuit with her third partner for Tati Beauty. She had to be careful to not say something in case it affects that lawsuit.

[@seeyoucu]

Right

[@cydneyewing]

Looking back on it, I agree!

[@dwell7315]

As someone following not only this saga but also the Gabbie Hanna stuff for the past eternity, I fully agree about the "drama fatigue" part. Sometimes I just want to burn youtube down

[@elizabethbryce4283]

Rewatching this during Mascaragate. Drama fatigue forreal. I realized this is the first time I’ve really gotten it up for internet drama in a while, lol. There’s also so many subcultures of drama. KZbinrs are starting to, like, have their own lore.

[@jyslog]

it’s crazy how jeffree star wasnt even looking out for the victims he just carried the recordings only to enjoy it for his own benefit, You think someone like him would have empathy and the resources to help them but this is what he chose to do instead 🤦

[@dmitryboardman9762]

Thinking Jeffree Star would have empathy, or at least enough to truly care about a victim, is the viewer's problem by this point, as enough of his behavior recorded online had made it evident that he can be a very cruel person and simply does not care about other people if it does not make him look better.

[@jyslog]

@@dmitryboardman9762 i probably re worded it wrong but what I mean is you think he would have the human decency to look out for the victims since his tweets said he there for them. It’s not surprising how things turned out. what’s more infuriating about this situation is how no one told him it was wrong so he just passed it around for his own gain

[@MostlyMom]

Girl, hard agree. No one here deserves “credit.” People are literally using SA allegations as like.. clout and for their own grift? It’s GROSS. I feel like you have the right take!

[@melissacoviello2886]

Tati did get involved in litigation with 2 different individuals, one a drama channel and the other her business partner and it mostly centered on dramagedon 2 or at least stemmed from it.

[@Coochie_Seasoning]

the cherry on top of this shit-cake is that throughout this debacle everyone who defended James, j⭐️ & shane were kids/teens

[@anonymous92388]

actually it's kind of understandable, at the end of the day they don't know better that's why adults should educate them, we all have been ignorant at some point when we were younger (not to the point of defending manipulators and predators but yeah), it's honestly better than seeing actual adults defending them, that would be the real disappointment

[@DavidMiller-cu2xq]

I would like too add that Shane's cancellation happened during the BLM Movement of 2020 where everyone was more critical off potentially racist things and I believe that if this happened a year before or after Shane would not have got as cancelled as bad as he did and probably would have survived the scandal

[@HVolnWhatnow]

Wait, I thought it was a huge deal that Tati and her husband were in a legal battle with their sketchy business partner? Emily D. Baker has a ton of coverage. My bet is Tati did a lie by omission there, in that yes she was going into court, but she let the viewers assume it was with Jeff and Shane rather than some investor they never heard of.

[@Wyren09]

I remember talking about it with a coworker and really giving Tati a side eye because it was disgustingly apparent that she was flipping back to James’ side because it was no longer lucrative to be associated with Shane and Jefree. If anything she should have taken no ones side and washed her hands of all three of them, which I believe would have given her more credibility. If she had just owned up and said “I stand by what I said about James and to further prove that I’m cutting toxic people out of my life I’m ending my personal and professional relationship with both Shane and Jefree.” And boom done. Instead she tried to come crawling back begging for James’ forgiveness and friendship whilst simultaneously throwing others under the bus to escape any consequences which further damaged her image of being “the honest beauty guru” and taking a stand with someone who is believed to be a pred@tor.

[@tyleraws]

i've been staying up late so i can catch the glowmas uploads as soon as they go up!! nothing makes me happier than daily hannah uploads

[@jamiedriskell9225]

YAS… been waiting for part 2 of this… glad I woke up and received this notification… happy Glowmas Hannah and Charles and everyone else reading this…

[@patricasmyth4359]

I think if Tati had really known what James was doing, she would never have made the Breaking My Silence video. I think she felt she had to backtract when she realized how badly she was manipulated by JS and Shane. Unfortunately the situation with James was much worse than she may have imagined.

[@Hurricanetongue]

Well then she should make another video about James to end him permanently

[@JamieRoseLincoln]

This is how I feel. I don’t think she was trying to take him down or anything I think she was at a very vulnerable point in her life and people took advantage of that.

[@TellurcatIsaidpspsps]

I LOVE how she started the Pt. 2 vid with exactly the last thing from the previous vid. Not all heroes wear capes…some have bomb ass eyeshadow skills

[@michaelaspaid9169]

thank you hannah for explaining wtf shane was saying in that notes app “apology” because you summarizing the tweet in an actual comprehensive way finally made me understand what he was trying to say. i was so fucking distracted by the language he used in his tweet i couldn’t even begin to process what he was saying. “welcome to the circus”, “a slice of humble pie the size of the empire state building” he really was feeding into this crazy drama by acting like a teenager. it’s so confusing too because anyone that was even a bit familiar with shane knew he didn’t speak like this. it’s giving discount maddie from euphoria

[@_Snarkles]

The drama that literally never ended. Perfect name for it tbh.

[@samfae2005]

Just thought I'd point out that I'm 99% sure Shane Dawson didn't cut the live stream bc of Ryland, but bc of the texts tati was about to expose. he cut it right when Tati started talking about her text exchange w Shane and how he said James was "too narcissistic to do it". Shane cut the livestream bc he knew what the texts were gonna be and knew he couldn't spin that on live.

[@makeupwithmiranda9098]

When you said “when all of this finally ended” I flinched. I hope it is only the end of another chapter. It’s definitely not over. I truly feel that one day there will be consequences for James’ behavior.

[@issabelletje]

"What in the Harvey Weinstein" absolutely killed me So true though, the parallells between YT and Hollywood are getting more and more obvious.

[@tiffanymarie2219]

Regarding the litigation, Tati has been in active litigation with people just not Jeffree or Shane, which is what I always assumed she was referring to. Being engaged in active court cases means that anything you say can be used against you, including that video.

[@fancypants92]

Yaayy. I just finished mowing my MASSIVE yard. I'm in Australia, it's 32degrees today and took me four hours. Now I have something to watch while I cool down.

[@bailey_selene]

I’ll never understand why people thought Shane was ever a nice person lol. Like the man was good friends with Onision for a long time

[@brookelee9745]

I literally don’t know why anyone ever liked Shane or his content. His mid 2000s content was disgusting even back then. His content was never good or funny.

[@bailey_selene]

@@brookelee9745 I totally agree, I never got why people liked this content. Like how did everyone just forget about the worrible stuff he used to make and it’s not like his more recent stuff is much better

[@pattysalazar6823]

I know it's not the majority of people but I'm glad these CRIMES have not been forgotten by everyone, as Swoop says "it's not drama, it's dangerous"

[@PrincessYaura]

This video is proof that we as a society need to be a lot more careful about who is and isn’t given huge platforms

[@angelinacurtis2129]

Tati was actually involved in major litigation right after that video. She sued a drama channel and her business partner sued her and then she sued the business partner. And some of that is still going on right now. It’s why Tati Beauty closed.

[@spectre9340]

The thing that never sat right with me was James never really addressing certain statements that Jeffree said in regards to his (James) "victims". Jeffree exaggerates and lies, we know this. But considering what happened with Davie Vanity, maybe Jeffree knows something we don't. So when he said something like how James touched Grayson Dolan in his sleep, I was waiting for James to address it in any way. I was waiting for Grayson to address it in any way. And when James made that No More Lies video and hadn't said anything in regards to some of the potential "victims", I was very unsatisfied with how Dramageddon 2 supposedly "ended". So all these things coming out months later, I'm honestly not surprised. The drama was never finished to begin with.

[@thisisside01]

@spectre same here, and if you compare Sam the waiter’s screenshots to James’ No More Lies screenshots of the same conversation, James left things out. That’s why I never bought No More Lies

[@KRIZ·TEE]

@@thisisside01 I'm assuming the thing you mean about "leaving things out" is where he said to the guy he wasn't straight, which James DID address in his video

[@alfwinnn4224]

What is also messed up is that if Jeff really had that memo and allegedly it's Grayson, why did Grayson and Ethan film videos with Jeff? They literally collabed on videos AFTER this. If the memo wasn't of Gray, but someone else, then it means that there's more messed up crap. What shocks me tho is G&E working with Jeff knowing what he's done.

[@meganmiller8980]

Was literally just refreshing your page profusely waiting for this video. Yay I’m loving glowmas!!!

[@Simplebadger27]

I liked how you talked about the roll drama channels play in this kind of thing. A lot of times I don’t even look at the original tweets or videos because there’s too much there so I just watch drama channels to get the summary of what’s going on. So to hear that they often times have an agenda to make one person look better is interesting

[@chlolunaa]

Rewatching every Smokey vid bc I miss her 😢

[@Gravve01]

Regarding Shane, people actually started digging into his past as soon as he posted his 'welcome to the circus' tweet. He eventually apologized, and THEN he went on live screaming at Tati. Which kind of makes it look like he doesn't even feel bad and throws himself right back into the drama.

[@zanadriafurcadia]

There is/was litigation, just not about dramageddon. She probably had to be careful about words because of the defamation case, which is what I always assumed she meant. Didn't need to make any (more) evidence the opposition could use. They used Bye Sister in that case heavily. Tati should never have gotten involved with J* and she should have dropped James Charles like a hot tamale once the first allegations were made.

[@amulyasubhash7764]

One of my favorite part of this whole drama is Samantha Ravandhl clapping back after Shane's tweet!!

[@sarahbeckett316]

*makes one eyeshadow pallet for clout on a documentary series, makes (probably) $1 million-ish* IM LEAVING THE BEAUTY COMMUNITY! 🤣😂 gets me every time

[@shellymarie97]

This drama literally still impacts me to this day. I watched all four channels and no longer watch any of them. Sometimes I'll see a Tati video every once in a while... But like.. this whole thing was shitty and hurt so many people. Like real people watched this happen. Real people relived their SA. This was horrible for a lot of people

[@marianamauricio]

coming back to this to be reminded of this wild event

[@sativaloves]

YES IM SO EXCITED!😍😍 I really hope the move is going well! You have so much going on, thank you for entertaining us in the process!!❤️❤️

[@tthewizard7667]

Tati was really a grown woman getting upset at a 19 yr old over some gummy bears.... LOL

[@iloveyourunclebob]

None of this declared as fact. My conspiracy: This was all planned by Shane and Jafar up until Breaking My Silence. Bye Sister was to take James down a peg; create a vacuum to hype up the doc, the pallate, Shane as a "MUA"; and to test how much Jafar could actually get away with. Tati was manipulated, but it took 0 effort. Shane is telling the truth in being surprised about her bringing up the SH because Jafar just used it to help push her the way they wanted without realizing she had/was gonna bring up her own experience witnessing that. Or said more than they expected her to. There is a surprise there because Jafar's response is a reactionary response. They planted the rumors purposely so Shane could throw his fit and magically never have to care about his new passion ever again. Breaking My Silence was the wrench in their plans. They thought they had control over Tati and her narrative. Jafar is fine because he already tested the waters and knew exactly what he could get away with. For now, he is a true internet villain in the sense that this is what he's crafted his persona into and has gotten his fandom to accept and root for. Shane's newish persona and the fandom shaped around it was the opposite. He was already riding critical waves between growingly more disappointing content and joining the makeup community as a cash grab. Once the digging started it was done and so was Shane. He ran because he was big enough that the Smiths got involved. Ontop of his new audience finally watching his old content and breaking the illusion he tried to create. (I'm not okay at all with Tati taking 0 accountability and all her videos for this were horrible. James' actions have been disgusting.)

[@iloveyourunclebob]

Knowing what Jafar could get away with might not have been planned,, but it was a bonus for him. Tati bringing up the SH behavior (or saying more than they expected) did create some bumps, but why not go with it now? Even with Jafar's reactionary response, doubling down on it, and not falling through everything works out okay. Shane's on the sidelines purposely so people won't think anything too serious of the rumors this whole thing was Shane and Jafar. The rumors and people whispering in Tati's ears about Shane's and Jafar are what does it. Especially if the rumors started as bragging.

[@aunpaidintern7035]

Tati acted on her own. Stop trying to defend a 40yo adult woman. She was just offended that James would promote her competitors instead of her.

[@iloveyourunclebob]

@@aunpaidintern7035 this is my conspiracy about Shane and Jafar's ROLE. Not a comment about Tati's real actions. Conspiracies from comments by randos on internet =/= reality. No one is excusing Tati or her actions. That is reality and this is a conspiracy comment.

[@ms.shineray]

@@aunpaidintern7035 stop the ageism in your mentality, a person any age can be manipulated. However i am not saying she was or she wasn't but really thinking someone at 40 cant be manipulated is wrong.

[@thisisside01]

@dunts I think the difference between the trailer for Shane’s doc and the finished product is the best evidence for this. They filmed the footage with the idea that James would be hated and his career would be over at the time of the documentary’s release in mind, but that’s not what ended up happening so they had to change course with the editing. That’s why the trailer promised drama and the series had none

[@missaniebananie6473]

So as a person who used to follow a lot of beauty community content and as a consumer of makeup I will admit that I have flip-flopped over the years on what I chose to consume and who I supported, however since the first story dropped during dramagedeon 2 started my feelings on all of the relevant influencers (to the drama) and their products was “everyone here sucks, these people are awful, I don’t want to have to think so hard about what I buy to wear on my face” and that’s where I’m at now. I love enough makeup brands that I can find something else to use. Brands I love that have never committed straight up crimes/ruined peoples lives and are cruelty free in 2021: •FENTY BEAUTY •Huda beauty •lunar beauty •violet Voss •maybelline •Anastasia Beverly Hills •Marc Jacobs •Kaja •milk makeup •trixie beauty •kimchi chic beauty •rare beauty •Patrick Ta •Elf beauty •nyx cosmetics •Dominique cosmetics •pur cosmetics Stay beautiful and remember to take out the trash.

[@maddymp4]

Look up miasourous video on Fenty lol sorry bestie 😩

[@samanthashetterly8499]

@@maddymp4 If I'm recalling correctly Mia's video was on Savage x Fenty not Fenty Beauty, although obviously if there's bad shit with one it raises suspicions about the other so idk at this point 😐

[@raverbun]

your eye contact has gotten SO much better! your videos are so much more engaging now because it feels like you're talking directly to us :-)

[@thatoneweirdchick]

your point about youtubers working with drama channels reminds me of how old Hollywood movie studios would utilize media outlets to construct and protect their stars' personas

[@icanrelate]

You're an excellent researcher and reporter. Love your skills and personality.

[@CarePinglo]

I LOVE your take on topics like this! You always stay unbiased and talk about the facts. I really that you talked about that face that you changed your views after revising the situation a year later, after you found out new information. Side note: your hair looks amazing !

[@samrudhisudhakar8996]

Hey, Not sure if you'll see my comment but I'd love it if we can get such analysis on dramas other than dramagedon. I've just watched so many videos about this at this point that I feel nauseous just looking at the word 'Dramagedon'. Maybe you could revisit dramas like the 'Huda Beauty vs Beauty Bakerie' or 'Bretman Rock & Colourpop vs LemonHead' and see how the public's perception has changed since these incidents occurred, why it changed, how could we have reacted better, etc. Love you and your videos 🥰❤