Internet History: Revisiting Tanacon *3 years later*

[@Tori-qu7ku]

They’re honestly lucky no one died. When crowds of thousands are moving against each other, people can easily get crushed to death. Especially children and people weak from literal heat stroke

[@Avellania]

Yes, I was thinking the same. Two crowds moving in different directions through the same passage is what caused the tragedy at the Love Parade festival in Germany some years back. It had been an established festival for decades, but they never recovered from that incident.

[@brightstars1697]

yes!! they’re lucky it didn’t turn into a hillsborough tragedy situation.

[@Tori-qu7ku]

@@brightstars1697 yes I couldn’t remember the name but that’s what I was thinking of

[@CJMGalaxy]

When I heard, I was surprised no one had dropped of heat stroke. I worked as medical support at a popular attraction in the area, and that summer we saw a ton of cases of heat stroke. Those kids were out there with no shade or water or way to get help if they needed it. They were damn lucky no one died.

[@mtlewis973]

a day in the sun is not going to kill people. please what happened was bad and stupid but nobody was going to die ffs

[@Everythingdiesoneday]

I honestly wonder if tana feels any genuine remorse or embarrassment about this. I know her whole brand is not caring about anything but I wonder if she stays up at night thinking about this the same way the rest of us lay in bed and think about that one really embarrassing thing we did in 3rd grade that one time

[@gringa978]

Hell no she’s still scamming and people are still falling for her next scam!

[@jjjjj4787]

I feel like she doesn’t and it’s so sad 😞 being someone who didn’t go or spend any money.. my heart hurts for those fans

[@jennyB07]

Nah she’s blaming this Michael guy for it all

[@mickk3351]

thats what her drugs are for lol

[@gillypiexo]

@@mickk3351 exactly

[@workinprogress.1128]

I use “Tanacon” as a daily term. To refer to any disaster. “I tried to bake this cake but it turned up into a Tanacon”

[@robinmitchells]

Lol that’s genius

[@autumnfletcher6503]

I love that, I'm 100% going to steal that it's hilarious

[@bmariec88]

The disappointing thing about Tanacon is that if she had put even the smallest amount of effort and planning in, it could have been amazing. If she hadn't tweeted that just anyone could show up for free. If she had stuck with selling the $65 tickets, or even bump up the price to $100 and capping it at the amount that the hotel could accommodate, so many issues could have been avoided. Hire a couple of food trucks to set up shop inside, have creators sell merch at discounted prices just for the event goers. It could have been amazing and she totally flubbed it.

[@thedorkettereads6052]

All that would've required *gasp* actual planning over longer than a few weeks, though.

[@robinmitchells]

Around the time this all went down I saw a comment somewhere online where someone said she should have just made her birthday party into an event, like, charge a couple hundred bucks or so per ticket, cap the ticket number off at somewhere around 300, and then throw it at a cool club somewhere near Anaheim, that way people can meet some of their favorite creators who are friends of Tana and would be attending, there’s stuff to do cuz it’s a party, and Tana can have it centered around her like she obviously wanted. IMO that’s a genius idea, and if Tana had done that instead I’m sure that it would have been a massive hit and everyone would have respected her a bit more, not less like what did happen.

[@capric0rpse]

The simple fact she was tweeting THE DAY OF saying it was free and to roll up, big yikes!

[@indiankimchi]

Sell water! (bc i don’t trust chariTana) Or had shade in the parking lot. So many logical things that someone my age could conceivably do if they had a little common sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@anarsuarez]

Those are good ideas. I believe she should have started small since she was just starting out.

[@thomasthegoatofsatan2754]

"until Big Nick took the stage, and started doing some... *music."*

[@inbluwoods4022]

Sometimes I just forget that tanacon was a real thing that actually happened. It feels like a fever dream

[@brookelee9745]

I was on vacation where there wasnt really wifi so we kept seeing like small bits of info when we could about it all unfolding. It was crazy.

[@kittyover9000]

I remember going on a tanacon vlog watching spree. It seemed very unreal....

[@robinmitchells]

@@brookelee9745 I went on a trip up to Seattle the weekend after and one of my biggest memories from the trip was using the hotel WiFi to watch Shane’s newest episodes on it lol

[@daisyallen4954]

i get reminded about it every year on my snap memories when i talked about wanting to buy tickets LOL

[@tess3000]

It’s so crazy to think about how influential and well liked Shane used to be. Wtf

[@rhondaeastwoodyup5490]

Everyone would call him a man of gold so kind so humble

[@CJMGalaxy]

@@rhondaeastwoodyup5490 an empath, don't forget his superpower

[@biancadesousa]

Yeah I swear half the people went just because of Shane. Since he never goes to events like Vidcon. Now he’s kinda irrelevant

[@thefaceofinsecurity]

Oh, and let us never forget how poor he is 🥺 so sad, my prayers are with him

[@eugenemetayhas]

Maybe because I'm older than most of the people that were following the drama (I was on KZbin way back when it started and when Shane got his start) but he's always been super problematic and gross. Glad that he's finally facing something resembling consequences, although he's a millionaire so he'll be fine in the end.

[@theghostinthemirror8158]

I remember what horrified me most at the time was the way that the event was about 5 minutes from a crush. A “crush” is exactly what it sounds like-a stampede in which people are crushed. The footage of people pressed up against the barriers makes my heart drop. They are so so so so lucky nobody was killed.

[@eragonarya225]

Oh same!! I developed a lot of problems with going into crowded areas after learning about the Hillsborough Disaster, and I actively couldn’t watch some of the footage from tanacon in the immediate aftermath because it was too similar. They’re so lucky no one lost their balance at the wrong time, because crush injuries are no joke.

[@user-hb7rd9wu2n]

I’ve been at an event where the crowd tried to instigate a crush, literally terrifying. We had been standing in line for hours at an event that had max capacity of maybe 300 people, but easily had over 1000 guests. After standing outside for 2 hours (we had gotten there earlier than most, I would find out later that some people who queued later in the day waited up to 5 hours), my friends and I had finally got to the only checkpoint to enter the building. I was only 14 or 15 at the time and I was small, as soon as the first wave of people tried to push through, I was literally lifted off my feet with my arms pinned against my sides, when the crowd pulled back for a second before pushing again, I lost my balance and almost fell underneath the feet of the people in front of me, I honestly believed I would be trampled to death in that second, because there wasn’t even room for people to move out of the way if I did fall. I remember that I couldn’t even breathe because of the amount of people and the lack of space. I don’t remember how the organizers were able to calm down the crowd, however they let me and my friends in soon after that. The event was really fun but yea literally 0/10 don’t recommend human crushes

[@catherinedean3796]

Especially coming back to this after the Astroworld tragedy, Tana is the luckiest bitch in the world. For how awful it was, it could have been way worse and people could have died. I hope that people take this as a lesson: just because you can doesn't mean you should

[@LifeOfTheAngels]

What got me about Shane’s “documentary” was where tana was really trying to push the narrative that she was working hard on everything so she would be expelled of any responsibility of things ending up how they did, and then shane just shows footage of her asking basic questions and that was supposedly proof of her overseeing the event and he was acting so shocked, like he was really pushing for tana to come out good in that whole situation

[@SparkleDeluxe_minecrafter]

I had no clue Shane was supposed to attend.

[@laurag.5711]

Also I remember few people would comment how Shane was biased and was being manipulative but those comments were attacked by Shane’s fans.

[@forsakendish]

Also when he showed that video of Tana and Micheal talking about how they had booked way too many people for the hotel's capacity and they were happy about it, but he completely skipped over it??? Why show that footage if you're not going to make anything out of it?

[@miraino15]

Also how Shane made the whole “documentary” about himself.

[@robinmitchells]

I was over both Shane and Tana at that point so I remember groaning hard at that part. Like, I can go up to the touring manager of twenty one pilots and ask a few basic questions about how they run the behind-the-scenes stuff at their concerts, that doesn’t mean I helped their shows in any significant way, or at all. Not to mention from what I remember from those clips Tana was on her phone the whole time and barely paying attention to the answers given to her so I fail to see how she was much more than just a warm body in that scene.

[@bambi6711]

It blows my mind how no one at tanacon got severely hurt like. Idk what kind of blessings the crowd that pulled up had that day because beyond that one person passing out from the heat it's amazing that everyone got out of there safe

[@indiankimchi]

It just shows that Gen Z will roll up and support each other (like during the June protests 👀)

[@venixie1871]

Minus all the sunburns and angry people yelling, you're right no one got severely hurt and it's astounding 😭

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@indiankimchi gen z is literally performing mass shootings at schools almost daily…

[@abookishmess]

As a former security guard. I couldn't imagine having that many people, angry and having the ability to turn into a mob. It wouldn't have taken nothing, for someone to have died in said mob. I don't think she was trying to put up a second day Tanacon, but I'm not surprised that they couldn't find a venue. Nobody wants to host a potential mob, or risk damaging their venue for future shows.

[@courtneyehalchak]

Right?! I would be so interested in seeing what the insurance riders or contracts looked like….if there were any.

[@courtneyehalchak]

Also, I’m sure you have some great personal stories about working in security. Got a TikTok?

[@abookishmess]

@@courtneyehalchak I do have a ton of stories especially since I use to do concert/festival security 🤣 but unfortunately no TikTok ❤️

[@Ena48145]

Exactly! This quickly could have turned into a human crush situation with all of those people. I'm surprised no one was seriously injured.

[@capric0rpse]

Or if someone had a GUN! And started fkn shooting. Omg

[@robinmitchells]

Also during Gabbie’s performance there’s clips of her saying “yeah this is a mess but it’s Tana, what did you expect?” 🤦‍♀️

[@equinox274]

manage your expectations 😌💅

[@draculena]

@@equinox274 LMAOO right she’s been saying manage your expectations all this time

[@LovelyLinsey]

@@equinox274 💀

[@hannahwalmer1124]

“This is an absolute shit show, but why are we not surprised?” Lol

[@bonnievalentine]

Even if I got a free ticket, I would have demanded my money back.

[@Geetanjalisaha199]

😂🤣

[@daichikaraa]

LOL Best comment

[@leomeow3763]

Lmaoo I'm dead af 😂😭

[@lesliewolfe7643]

Best comment 👏👏👏

[@LadyxSky]

Gabbie yesterday and Tanacon today? Hannah is just brewing up all the pots of tea for us this weekend.

[@robinmitchells]

I would love love LOVE if this became a series, just looking back on major moments in the youtuber/influencer space. I would personally enjoy a video looking back on the react world scandal and all the reactions (for lack of a better word lol) everyone had to it, or the hello world convention that a bunch of uk youtubers put on that was basically a beta version of tanacon in all of its broken promises and general chaos.

[@emmxx565]

omg pls talk about hello world! I feel like all those influencers did a very similar thing to Tanacon but got off Scott free somehow 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@skinnypomegranate]

@@emmxx565 have you seen him in doctor phil? Everyone thinks hes innocent but the doctor phil with him just makes me disgusted with him

[@BrunetteGiant]

same!! i completely second this.

[@robinmitchells]

@@emmxx565 everything I’ve heard about HW, like, how did they not expect it to go down in flames??? It was set up for failure from the beginning

[@dh5573]

100%. With 2020, time has been… weird. It would be nice to revisit some KZbin history.

[@giovanalaurence]

Everything about Tanacon is just so fascinating to me. It's just the pure juice of this generation - Influencers making stupid decisions just because they can, people at risk for skin cancer just to see a few subcelebrities, the fact that no one was punished in the end, dumb people with money...My favorite part was when Tana showed up after hours with a megaphone apologizing and asking if people would come the next day and everyone suddenly got excited to say yes because, at the end of the day, they loved that bitch. And for what? So bizarrely satisfying.

[@franciaaguilar1568]

Totally!!!! Is so bizarre seeing people being obsses with her….like……how? lol XD

[@kimberlyoldschool]

YES. This and the Frye Festival are fun to pick apart because, miraculously, the only real loss anyone suffered was time or money. At least with the FF someone went to jail, so Tana’s one saving grace was that a lot of attendees didn’t pay much money. The obsession for hanging out with influencers, for social media clout, and sometimes at risk to oneself, is just unreal.

[@Dee-zx9zm]

@@franciaaguilar1568 I think it's cause she is gorgeous and always hangs out with really good looking guys & other gorgeous girls. pretty girl privillage is real. its the same thing with nakita

[@samanthaorologio6866]

Lmao. So. Damn. True.

[@franciaaguilar1568]

@@Dee-zx9zm lol i don’t tana is gorgeous at all but each their own

[@xodr91]

Is Internet History going to be a new segment on your channel? That would be so fun! ✨

[@SarahBarah.99]

YASS!

[@csebesta84]

You should check out Rifenstine. She does a series like this and she’s freaking adorable.

[@peachxtaehyung]

Maybe! She said she is pretty much going to see how the viewers responds to it!

[@kalaperr]

Yes!

[@kyra6744]

yesssss, as soon as i saw the title i hope this would be a series

[@SwellEntertainment]

The way this event launched my youtube career

[@xzxzojkeymtzxzx7712]

ooo! Swell Entertainment is here

[@karacoconutag]

And for that we are grateful!

[@akatastrophe]

Hi! Yes, I actually found your channel through the whole TanaCon situation, and I’m super glad I did

[@kirapokelmann618]

It's how I discovered you!

[@raeganstop]

queen shit

[@thomasthegoatofsatan2754]

even though I was around when it was happening, the idea of Shane Dawson being respectable in any capacity at this point in time is almost unthinkable to me.

[@Faithjoy2]

At my job we hold a yearly conference with like 600-900 attendees and it takes over a year to book everything. Almost everyone who works on it is extremely experienced and all hands on deck at all times. The fact that they tried to put on a convention for 5k people (at location that only held 1k) in just over a month??? And as inexperienced teenagers?????? Unthinkable to me

[@angelapatino9582]

It's because they think unicorns makes things like this happen. The ego is out of control

[@clatterslam]

For real, I once had to plan a conference for about 150 people with a timeframe of three months, and I was so busy with that and my other responsibilities that I lost like 20 kg in that time because most days, all I had time to eat was protein bars and vitamin water while running from meeting to meeting, and I still had a lot of situations to take care of during the actual event, as well. As soon as I heard her idea and the timeframe she wanted to do it in, I was like "this is gonna be a hot mess" lol

[@DR053]

Tanacon: The disaster we’ll never forget, no matter how hard we try.

[@PromisedJubilee]

😂

[@Isabelw3]

Fr

[@whythenumber]

I just always think about how terrible it mustve been to just innocently book a room at that hotel completely unaware of the fact that a convention was going to be on at the same time. I'd be so annoyed lmfao

[@dylanadler5341]

I'm an event manager and when I was getting my qualifications I used TanaCon as my case study for the final semester assignment. There was literally not a single thing that they did in terms of running or creating a convention correctly.

[@gabbtothee5348]

"It showed him segwaying around Anaheim" God I can't lmao

[@hightunnel2723]

Legend says he’s still seen segwaying looking “busy” as ever.

[@amandatidey5751]

I feel like Shane didn't do the "documentary" about Tanacon to help save her image, but to show why he couldn't attend, by showing how horrible the situation was..that way even subconsciously his fans wouldn't blame him even if they paid hundreds of dollars just to go and see him. Just a theory though!

[@jtdfluglzfutzfdt]

i was thinking the same thing! it was never about tana for him, it was to save his own ass! i remember a lot of people back then saying they were only attending to see shane anyways

[@kaialexander6806]

Ah, the holy trinity: Dashcon, Tanacon and Fyre Festival.

[@ellen8961]

Aaaah yessss fyre festival.....

[@RainbowBluety]

Whats dashcon and fyre festival?

[@twilightsquire]

@@RainbowBluety Dashcon was a Tumblr convention ran by teenagers known for being disorganised and false advertising, they also hadn't paid the hotel in full so midway through had to accumulate 1700$ to keep it up and running mostly through con guests and online donations it was a right shit show Fyre Festival is arguably the worst of them all it was festival ran by a business that was supposed be a luxury even in Bahamas with tons of music acts, people were told they'd be staying in luxury villas and when they arrived it was all tents, all the music acts had either cancelled or where never booked in the first place they had paid celebrities including one of the Jenners I forget which one to advertise but none of them went and attendees ended up going back to the airport and getting locked in as they desperately tried to get home. The organiser has been charged with fraud, sued and is going to prison I believe Sorry if some of my facts are slightly wrong it's been a while since I looked into them full but there are some great videos out there if you'd like to know more 😊

[@RainbowBluety]

@@twilightsquire thnk you so much for writing this out, that all sounds so madly awful.

[@galileabaza4718]

@@RainbowBluety i suggest you watch the dashcon video on KZbin by internet historian and on Netflix there’s a documentary called fyre which is good at explaining it :)

[@asmrglow]

Hello hi how are you - I literally say it with you lmao especially the ‘amAAAAzing’ 😂

[@SamanthaKaye]

Same!

[@aurora-ql4rq]

didn’t expect to find Glow here, hiii

[@mcgheebentle1958]

The two Glows of the Internet, my life is complete 😌

[@carolinepeters28]

day today, hello!

[@mimijester]

SAME

[@GinnyTheSquid]

Seeing those kids crushed up against those barricades made me sick. this event was so CLOSE to being similar to the Hillsborough disaster (where 94 people were crushed to death at an overcrowded football event) It’s a legit miracle that no one was seriously hurt at this event.

[@patr70]

Oh Honey.. You are REACHING with that comment. 🤤

[@elizaharrison8853]

Isn’t it crazy how we all had so much sympathy for a millionaire who was inconvenienced for about 4 days total that we allowed her to put thousands of people in danger to help boost her ego.

[@Dee-zx9zm]

nobody felt bad for her she was bashed nonstop lol

[@annevanity3922]

who’s we?

[@TheRonnieaj]

@@Dee-zx9zm I think Eliza’s referring to feeling bad for her being shut out of Vidcon, not the aftermath of Tanacon.

[@elizaharrison8853]

@@Dee-zx9zm yea nah im talking about the whole vidcon thing, like sure it must have been frustrating but like..worse things have happened to people

[@victoriadiesattheend.8478]

Not I. I've never watched any of her vids or supported Tana in any way.

[@jaclynmccosker]

When she’s tweeting things like she’ll pay for everyone’s travel, important context is that she was definitely high at the time. I don’t mean to say that in a shady way, people use or abuse drugs for many reasons, but it’s the reality that likely explains many of her reactions.

[@boop4643]

"michael segway-ing around anaheim trying to find a second location" i'm imagining him trying to merge onto the 5

[@michaelaxx8149]

😂😂😂

[@CJMGalaxy]

I remember when Hank Green started Vidcon. It has changed so much that people barely remember it was the science dude from Tiktok who created it.

[@hightunnel2723]

I like hank green! Did not actually know this thanks!

[@genericplantlife]

Sorry to reply to a comment one year later, but I also remember when Hank Green started vidcon. I remember the exact video where he floated the beginnings of an idea for vidcon to John and the video about the first vidcon. Sad to see how wild and different (and messy) it is now, but I'm kinda glad it's not in Hank's hands anymore and not a lot of people still associate it with him.

[@melissanicole4357]

I cover disasters and honestly it’s a miracle no one died. This event had all the perfect conditions for disaster. Hot day, overcrowding, unsupervised kids, no security checks, understaffed etc.

[@LyricAiLove]

Being that I'm someone who overheats easily, the idea of burning in the California sun makes my stomach turn.

[@josefallen8727]

Omg YES! I have almost passed out from the heat several times and my natural temperature is 99.5 degrees Fahrenheit

[@Mjspc]

Kinda like the people that go to Disneyland to wait for hours in the sun 🌞

[@josefallen8727]

@@Mjspc RIGHT! Disneyland is so unenjoyable for me in the summer! At least Disneyland provides lots of food and water stands which Tana didn’t even provide to the poor people who waited hours in the hot sun

[@sdrkelley]

TEA I have hypohidrosis and it literally makes me nauseous to think about

[@hihii3902]

Shane Dawson’s documentary was manipulative lol

[@jordanwhite7377]

truly insane how he managed to portray tana as a victim

[@d13_a]

Shane Dawson as a person is manipulative, period

[@minajones8341]

When I first watched the ten minutes where he asked if his fans were upset with him blew me away with how manipulative he was being. It boggled my mind. Why on earth would an adult ask teenage fans that question unless you’re deliberately trying to be manipulative. And this is coming from someone who had no idea who either Shane or Tana was when I watched that part.

[@anamaruskova3435]

It actually made me feel sorry for Tana

[@jordanwhite7377]

@@anamaruskova3435 precisely the problem

[@jadenpetersburg1431]

“Big Nick took the stage and starting doing some... music” that pause 😂

[@kysandrazinnamon7042]

To be honest there still isn’t accountability for that whole ordeal.

[@khanhfident]

Seeing these crowded footage and pictures while we're still in the pandemic is so surreal...

[@hollywood2499]

Yeah it really is! Looking back on "normal life" before the pandemic is just so weird and surreal now! We're living in a completely different reality/world now since 2018!

[@TheNickleChick]

I want the normalcy back. This separation of people and covering of faces is a psychological mind fuck to the kids going through it. There's studies that were done about babies and children that cant see faces and isolating them and they literally gained psychopathic tendencies and stopped being able to connect with people and read emotions. This will destroy our society if we just keep going.

[@thelindsaysuejohnson]

The night after Tanacon, there was the Studio71 party. I work in influencer marketing and had friends that worked there, so I was invited. Every major KZbinr was there. David, Laura Lee, James Charles, etc etc. Anyway, at the end of the night when the lights came on, Tana came in with her crew. I started talking to Trevor Moran bc I had watched his videos for years. Anyway, I’ll never forget how blasé Tana was. She seemed to have NO idea what had just happened. I was there. Sitting under the trees in the parking lot avoiding the sun. My little sister got so sun burnt. Was horrible. We opted to go to Disneyland the next day 🤣

[@giovanalaurence]

Like a damn sociopath

[@thelindsaysuejohnson]

*Trevi

[@thelindsaysuejohnson]

@@giovanalaurence it was weird. I was shocked she even showed up. I would have been so embarrassed. Hell, I was embarrassed for her.

[@giovanalaurence]

@@thelindsaysuejohnson me too, but i'm not surprised she didn't care

[@DoopieDoughnuts]

Couldn’t imagine sending my CHILD (minor of any age ) to spend the day with Tana, Bella and Lena the plug 😭. Who are these parents ? 🤣🤣

[@SocietalNoob]

middle class parents are a different breed

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@SocietalNoob They are either one extreme or the other. Mine were the other. I didn’t start getting to go places with my friend and no adult until I was 14 and ONLY if the friend’s mom took us and I lied and said an adult was with us at all times. I was 26 and until I could finally afford to move out (along with afford to cut off all familial ties, that shit ain’t as easy as just going no contact if you don’t want to be broke and homeless plus I had cats to keep safe) at 27 I still had to give exact addresses to anywhere I was going or who’s house I was at AND GIVE PHONE NUMBERS of people or else the COPS WOULD BE CALLED ON ME. Apparently they had nothing better to do than these wellness checks. Then my parents wonder why I was a shut in and too embarrassed to try to have friends…

[@n.j.5044]

I went to Tanacon, cause I had planned to go to Vidcon, but I had to refund my ticket so I could pay for a new pair of glasses. I was really upset cause I had always wanted to go to Vidcon, so when Tana announced Tanacon, I was really excited. At least I wouldn't be out the money for my flight, and I could still go on vacation and have a good time. By the time I finally, finally got to the front of the line, that's when literally everybody started just shoving their way into the hotel, no longer caring about the line. It was really dangerous. Even a random girl I had been standing next to in line commented on how dangerous she felt the whole thing was, and how that was upsetting because Tana had promised that safety would be her biggest priority. The girl only went because Tana promised it would be safe. So as I was leaving, these two guys in a car pull up and ask, "Is this event free?" I say, "I had to buy a ticket." And he responds, "But is it free?" I'm so pissed off that I just ignore him and walk away. Right then, as I had decided to just give up and leave, the police showed up. I literally got out in the nick of time. My family was berating me for even going in the first place because this was a new event, and it was sketch from the beginning. But, honestly, while I do see their point and in many ways agree, I don't accept that the blame be placed on me. I was a consumer who was promised an event and gifts of a certain value that did not receive what was promised, and I - in addition to everyone else - was put in danger, both by the location being in the sun for hours without refreshments, and by the sheer mass of the crowd without proper security measures. Going to Tanacon actually, ironically, was the event that gave my mother and I the close relationship we have now. Cause when she warned me, I essentially told her that I need to make my own mistakes in life, and from that she learned to respect the choices I make for myself, even if they're dumb. And at the end of the day, I got a sunburn and a story. So in a weird twist of events, I'm glad that I went. However, I hate that everyone else - especially girls much younger than me (I was 21 at the time) - were put in danger and got their money taken from them. I just remembered: we only got our money back because the ticket company wanted to prove that they, at least, were reputable. So I did get my money back. And I even emailed them back and told them, "Hey, I know because of Shane Dawnson's 'documentary' that you aren't required by law to do this, but I very much appreciate this gesture, and I will gladly let you take my money in the future." And they responded that they were happy to do this as a sign of good faith (at least that's how I remember the email in my own words). In the end, as someone who was there: Tanacon was an important event in my life trajectory, but the event itself was trash. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. lol

[@leo8812]

TANACON WAS THREE YEARS AGO??? I thought it happened like seven months ago 😭😭😭😭 My concept of time does not work anymore. And Sarah Z is one of my favorite creators, her videos are just *chef’s kiss*

[@payita6931]

I love your profile pic 👀

[@leo8812]

@@payita6931 I love yours too 👀 hehe

[@Victoria-rb4oo]

I have been scrolling for forever looking for something to watch. 40 minutes yes.

[@NessaPhillips]

Omg same 😂

[@ginao6810]

Ha I hate that. You scroll, find nothing. Close KZbin. Come back 5 mins later. Scroll. Nothing. Scroll. Leave. Come back. Scroll 🔁🔁🔁

[@kellyc1188]

watching this again after the astroworld incident and like so many others have said, it’s insane to me that nothing happened at tanacon… tana is SO lucky that nothing really bad happened to those kids at her event

[@MiniMeags]

Tana: 15,000 unticketed guests showed up!!! Tana before the event: EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TICKET, SHOW UP!

[@pippip4911]

Its so weird how we forget about this things. Theres so much new drama everyweek from all sides that tanacon slipped my mind for a moment.

[@happyblacklegends]

When you're from SoCal and was a senior in high school when all this went down and had friends who actually paid money for this and attended 💀

[@sallypark9139]

lol the "con" of tanacon wasn't just a convention but a con to steal fan's money (i wasn't around in ytube community around the time so hearing about how wild it was is super interesting! loving all the long form videos hannah!)

[@trinalenay3525]

how this fiasco managed to blow over is beyond me. i feel like Tana and Michael definitely deserve a lawsuit.

[@benzoh2090]

I wonder if the documentary Shane did is why it blew over

[@torijones5194]

Swell entertainment did a interview video a year after Tanacon with some people that went to the event. One attendee said she thinks why no one took this seriously was because the people that got scammed were mostly young girls.

[@mishaa7263]

why does high school seem so long yet tanacon was 3 years ago and it feels like last year

[@michaelaxx8149]

It doesn’t once you graduate

[@skinnypomegranate]

first two years of highschool are long and then the last two go quick because of how busy you are

[@SarahFillion]

It seems a little obsessive that he actually trademarks tanacon… it makes zero sense. he should’ve cut ties completely, which includes rebranding/new name…

[@minajones8341]

Seriously. Why on earth would you want a connection to your biggest failure? Then again, there are those who think any publicity is good…

[@turner15]

I think he wants a redo.

[@mayfia]

I would love to see a video like this on the whole gabbie hannah and rice gum situation. I was really young when that happened and I remember siding with rice cause I didn't fully understand the implications of what happened. It would be so nice to see an actual adult perspective on it.

[@sewlemony1470]

D’Angelo Wallace would be PERFECT for this deep dive, or primink..I miss primink 🥺

[@Missab4000]

I’m still so angry she got away with this.

[@alexandran6009]

I don't think she got away with it she was at the height of her career during this she's not that popular or well liked now. People only care about the scandals she gets into not because they genuinely like her

[@javiag77]

@@alexandran6009 yeah, but she still has a career,and still earns sooo much money. I think she should been more affected

[@idabergh-smith179]

I remember the day of when everyone was tweeting small videos of the stuffed hallways and rooms and the long lines and tanacon was trending on Twitter. If anyone had bad intentions, it would have been so easy for them to go there, the thought of it makes me shudder

[@alexandran6009]

they put everyone there in jeopardy including the creators.. wasn't this around the same time that Christina Grimmie was murdered by one of her fans? They're so incredibly lucky that nothing happened

[@blondesense1708]

That was what they wanted. Not a psycho showing up, but it was always about the crowd outside when vidcon saw it or online attention. They didn’t care what happened at the actual convention.

[@jessicakwazz5627]

As a fellow candle-obsessor, can you start putting the candles of the day in your description box? I’m always looking to try new candles 💜

[@pattysalazar6823]

Tbh I think Sh**e cared for Tana THAT MUCH bc he sees a lot of himself in her, and wouldn't it be convenient if fans got accustomed to forgiving obvious lies and irresponsible behavior like this? He definitely knew what kind of sht himself and the influencers he surrounded himself with were capable of. (The SD topic is still a bit painful to me, sorry for the rantyness)

[@alexandran6009]

He always thought of himself as a mentor to tana imo and tana used to love him as a teen she even mentioned watching his videos as KZbin was one of the only espaces from her shitty home life. I can see why he tried to defend her

[@ImPrettyInPunk]

Shane was friends with Tana waaay before the Tanacon thing so it wasn't strange that he was biased towards her in his faux "documentary". He even had her on his podcast when that was a thing and, looking back at it, it was very bizarre and inappropriate, especially since he kept asking her if she was underage or not after asking a sexual question (and she was underage fyi).

[@rachel-xi7oj]

"the person who's known for causing mobs to go outside, and cause another mob" loool

[@clarajensen7886]

Just american stuff: "Someone could've gone in there with a weapon and hurt a whole lot of people" 24:59 Like I find it so disturbing that it has gotten to a point where every event in america is a potential shooting and that americans accepts that as a common possibilty but that might just be us europeans who are weird like that

[@girlscott411]

It’s very troubling and sad...

[@dyobun]

It’s NOT just “American stuff.” I agree it’s sad that our world is like this, but did you do some research? Mass killings and terrorist related attacks happen at high rates in Europe too... In some countries like Norway and France, the shootings occur at a higher rate. It’s simply a statistical misconception and false reporting that folks claim the USA has the most shootings globally, when in reality you must take into account the ratio of attacks vs. population and how it stacks up with other countries. It’s no DOUBT that a country with a much higher population will have technically higher occurrences of just about anything, but the percent/rate is another matter. For example, if a country has a population of 100,000 and has 10 mass shootings, vs a country with a population of 10,000 with 5 mass shootings, the smaller country has a higher rate of shootings per capita-even if it technically had 5 less shootings, the rate at which it occurs is more often than the country with the higher population. I don’t mean this response to be disrespectful as I realize your point is to be sad about the fact we have to worry about this horrific stuff, but to claim that this is “just American stuff” and that we’ve accepted it, is false. It’s “world” stuff.

[@shelbymcphearson5472]

off topic, I'm not even 1 full minute in yet, but you look extra beautiful in this video Hannah! A little summer glow looks good on you!

[@gabbtothee5348]

"From the day of the event, the only footage I've seen if of people shuffling through hallways" Lmao 💀

[@Lauren-ch9mi]

I love these types of videos! Makes me feel kinda old that this was already three years ago! I remember refreshing Twitter to see if they were actually going to cancel the event after the trainwreck of Day One. Keep up the great content!

[@mayfia]

Me too! It feels like just yesterday

[@gabbtothee5348]

I feel so bad for the staff of that hotel. I work front desk at one and I can't imagine having to deal with those kids. Jumping on the desk and scaring the staff to the point they had to hide themselves? I understand the majority of them are kids but seriously? You could have only two brain cells to rub together and you would know that the staff of the hotel isn't to blame. They should have been arrested.

[@lauragrace101]

When you talked about the guy “segwaying around” I was laughing so hard 😂

[@123ashleycool]

Actually, Mega64 is a KZbin channel that has a small scale convention every year! What’s incredibly funny is that they’ve actually had their convention, Game Days, at the exact hotel that they hosted TanaCon 😅 it goes off without a hitch every year! I went once in 2017 and it was so much fun - they have a second day event that’s optional where convention attendees can all meet up at Disneyland the next day and the guys from Mega64 are there too! Attendees all go on rides and have mini meetups/group ups through out the day with the guys from the channel and it’s pretty much always a really good time (from what I’ve heard since I’ve only gone once!) Mega64 is definitely a smaller channel than Tana and others who might want to do a small convention like this, but it’s totally something that’s been done and done well!

[@samiam2088]

Here’s the deal about massive organized events: sure they may seem like they “sold out” and the costs seem inflated, but the “unorganized events” have a more risk associated. A ton of that inflated cost is security and insurance. I’m part of the Burner community and have seen local burn events go from 250 people to 10,000 in less than 3 years. The permits, security, insurance, medical supplies on site etc etc, it friggin adds up and keeps fatalities at a minimum- which given Burners are almost always high on SOMETHING (usually party drugs), the fact that fatalities are not higher is pretty amazing

[@one_smol_duck]

I've always felt that the most manipulative thing about Shane's documentary was his ability to change the narrative from "thousands of Shane's young fans came to a poorly planned and dangerous convention that he never even showed up to" to "Shane did an exposé piece on the whole situation and his only flaw was being too eMpAtHeTiC toward his friend." I'm glad people finally saw through his bs because I stg he's the most adept person on earth at manipulating the internet to save his own image.

[@camille.c]

as someone who remains cheerfully ignorant of most things going on in that kind of youtube/media space most of the time, i love these evolution of / internet history videos you do. satisfies my curiosity about the drama without having to be aware of their shenanigans on the regular

[@lilhonor5425]

I really enjoy this internet history kinda content! I was struggling with some anxiety and trauma responses this evening and immediately clicked on this video because I knew it would take my mind of and calm me down.

[@kmcdc1997]

I HAVE 3 LOADS OF LAUNDRY TO FOLD, THANK GOD FOR THIS UPLOAD

[@courtneyehalchak]

Right there with you…

[@chloelahring]

I will never forget this glorious trainwreck

[@alanal3768]

Speaking of Escape the Night, I'd love to hear a review on that. It's actually one of the only KZbin Original shows that I like

[@sewlemony1470]

I love the thinning! Gonna check this out.

[@loaf8506]

im shocked this didnt lead to a mass crushing incident, people could have died

[@allisonhowlett8342]

you’ve been killing it with the videos lately !! so excited for this one :))

[@xanderkai6353]

I highly recommend Swell Entertainment for videos on tanacon from someone that went there. she makes other great videos too!

[@brandiruble2987]

their in the comments too

[@mollyhats2330]

This video is so hard to watch after the Astroworld disaster. There’s so many points in this video where I felt actual dread from the similarities even knowing that everyone survived Tanacon. I wonder if Tana realizes how lucky she is that nobody died because of her laziness and greed.

[@leonardo.diCATio]

If you did one of these about "Dramagedon One", that would be SO cool. We've all heard about the second one with James, Tati, Shane and Jeffree, but I feel like the first one was just forgotten to time.

[@elllana]

I think you should definitely talk about Tati again in the context of her return. There’s currently a lot of support and sympathy for her and while I feel like some of it is warranted, many people have pointed out how she hasn’t really apologized for doubling down and then going back on James Charles, hasn’t apologized for associating with and defending a known racist and just in general how she manipulates situations to make herself the victim. She’s very good at changing the public’s opinion on her and uses the fact that the internet’s memory is very short to her advantage, and it would be interesting to explore that.

[@raabinhood731]

$65 is a low price to starve and wait 4 hours in a Starbuck's line. /S

[@yonas4175]

OH I WAS NOT READY FOR THIS ONE BUT IM EXCITED. also 32:24 i disagree. If your name is on something you better make sure it's good. Obviously since she did it with Goodtimes they should be there to help and support her because thats their job but literally ONE GOOGLE SEARCH you can find that Michael and Goodtimes did not have a good reputation. She also as you said did not go to the meetings TO PLAN HER OWN EVENT??? She is equally to blame for the dumpster fire that was Tanacon.

[@kaleidoscopekayley]

It can not be stated enough how incredibly lucky it is that a mass shooting or other mass act of violence didn't happen during TanaCon. I truly don't think Tana realizes how lucky she is that the worst injuries at the event were sunburns and panic attacks.

[@NicoleAHoward]

I got to use Tanacon as an essay topic for my sports law class in college. We were going over event planning and liability and my professor was shook

[@Chelsea-gm9nz]

I was pregnant when this happened! It's weirdly nostalgic lol.

[@amandalopes3048]

It's so hard to trust Tana's words, specially with a 2021 mind, when it comes to her internet persona I feel 0 humanity from her

[@MeganJackson96]

If you can't plan a wedding in a month how are you going to do an entire convention????

[@charislitt]

Had the day off and enjoyed a SmokeyGlow marathon and now I’m blessed with this bad boy! Keep it coming mama❤️❤️

[@charleed395]

aaaaaand my favorite part of my day has started the moment i hear “hi friends!”

[@jordandragonslayer]

while I'm glad nothing terrible happened, and I don't wish that something did, I just wish that for once tana would face some serious consequences for her actions. it seems like every bad thing she does just adds fuel to the fire and she'll never stop.

[@tylenolover]

I would LOVE to see a re-visit of the tana mongeau/idubbz situation. Bc in retrospect tana was a dramatic teenager and idubbz was a grown man going to a teenager’s meet and greet to prove a point. Not saying tana is innocent overall by any means, but that situation rubs me the wrong bc no one’s ever held idubbz accountable

[@memow7835]

Yes! More people should cover that!Looking back on it that whole situation was odd and I can't believe I ever thoght idubbz actions were even a little justified.

[@tylenolover]

@@memow7835 Me too! I’m exactly Tana’s age, so at the time I didn’t have the maturity to understand how adults should act in that situation. Idubbz could have politely said telling himself to k-word himself is extremely inappropriate and not okay. Like she was a child, she just needed to get told off. Going to her event and creating that whole video was disgusting in retrospect

[@otakucouture]

Idk why idubbz gets off easy because he's literally the same fucking person as Tana. He hides behind his "i know I'm problematic" to say slurs and be shitty to people, and hangs out with Shadman, the Nazi dude banned from his own country for drawing C P :| but it's okay cuz he's a dude right? He can be racist and shitty and hang with p3dos because he's a funny white dude.

[@tylenolover]

@@otakucouture this is a really good point. I’m not super familiar with idubbz’s content, so I didn’t realize he thrives off of the edginess

[@jelena4532]

She did in video The Evolution of Tana Mongeau

[@maddyrevenge]

"In hindsight he (Shane) really was incredibly biased towards Tana" Did we really need hindsight to figure this one out? Shane is incapable of holding anyone accountable for anything haha. I feel like even at the time it was pretty obvious that he was happy to let Tana take the reigns in spinning the narrative that she was the victim.

[@ambera6101]

she makes this her apart of her “qUiRkY not like other girls persona” she tries so hard to maintain

[@felicityb93]

This entire situation is another example of how there's two Americas. Because just like Fyre Fest, I (and many other Black people) did not know a damn thing about Tanacon before it started to go wrong. Also, the fact that Shane Dawson was one of the biggest creators on KZbin in 2018. I didn't even know that he was still on here until his ~docu-series~ with Jeffree Star popped off. And even then, I thought it was poppin' off cause it was J*.

[@ashleyp287]

I’m still curious to know where did the money go? Nobody never really mentioned this. If tana claimed Michael W scammed her, the fans say they didn’t get their refunds and then u have Michael w saying he filed bankruptcy due to the shit show that was tanacon….. so then where did all the money go? It’s not like they had to lose money by paying for another place to hold the event on day 2….. so where did the money go and who profited from this shit show? I’m willing to bet money that they sold over 4000 tickets at $65 each… so who got the profits?this has always been a question that we never really got an answer for

[@larissajohnson2581]

It’s so strange that dr. Phil is doing a piece on this… must really be a slow year

[@ClearCubess]

I'm still shook it took as long as it did for people to realize Shane's "documentaries" were just publicity stunts for his friends of choice and little more than that imo. His Tana "documentary" made it real clear.

[@ripley4884]

i remember when this happened so vividly. excited to relive this absolute disaster with my favorite youtuber

[@victorialenihan9854]

A little late to the party on this video. But in light of the Astroworld music festival, seeing the lack safety measures and the overcrowding that took place at this event is terrifying. Lives are at risk-creators need to be held accountable for treating fans as ways to grown their brand and make money.

[@PetitePollyPocket]

I would absolutely love to see this become a series!! But then again I love all of you content so that’s not a surprise 🤣💓

[@aaker6501]

i wish KZbin had a “you have watched this video [number] times” function, because I have some comfort videos and boy is this one of them

[@Sparkle__Punk]

Perfect timing! PMS is kicking my butt and I need a distraction.... 💜

[@ciaburri6159]

I learned English around that time and I remembered this was the first real drama I got to experience from like English speaking KZbin and I was ✨fascinated ✨