Interview with former elder, bethelite and pioneer - Ex JW Story

[@angelachanel9426]

I cannot even tell you REFRESHING it is to hear from someone who Escaped and who is Stable, Successful and Happy. I walked away. The world is amazing. It's what you make it. I've never been happier. I'm so happy you did this interview.Thank You. Welcome to your freedom.

[@robind.phillips2129]

My family was raised Pentecostal. My oldest brother, when he married his wife, became a JW. This is one of the best JW de-conversion that I have ever heard. I wish my brother could here this!

[@professorx1739]

Robin same situation, I met my wife 8 years ago she's a witness, I did the studying and after the studying they insist I write a letter in order to become a witness too my former church to tell them that I want to be no longer a part of their church. I said no to the elder that I don't want to write this nonsense letter, they said that I don't have a choice if i wanna be apart of Jehovah's witnesses I have too write that letter and send it too my old church. So I wanted too make my wife happy, so I wrote the letter despite that I was being forced too and it didn't make sense. Two weeks ago, October of 2020 my eyes finally opened after 8 years. Jesus Christ is my savior and always will be not man. I'm not serving man anymore I'm serving my loyalty to our Heavenly Father and his son Jesus Christ. So in all I hope that your brother have come to his spiritual senses and see how those groups of men can instantly replace Christ and want devoted service too themselves. He loves his wife just like I love mine and he will do anything to see her happy just like I would do with mine. But I had too come to realization and realize I can't lie to myself and do something that I see that is totally wrong and against God and scriptures, they make everything sounds good but they do have a secret agenda just like any major organization.

[@professorx1739]

Robin, I see your post was a year ago so how is your brother now.

[@robind.phillips2129]

@@professorx1739 My brother was going to leave his wife. I told him that I would support him with whatever decision he makes. He went back to his wife. He is still a JW, as far as I know. Thank you so much for sharing your journey.

[@triggawoods6888]

I was reproved first then subsequently disfellowshipped for continuing to court, then marry my current wife. At first, it hurt, but here's the funny part...I prayed, and prayed hard for God to lead me to the truth. I believe God answered my prayers, because the amount of INFORMATION AND ENLIGHTENMENT I came across would NEVER allow me to go back to the Kingdom Hall. Great video.

[@laurawilliamson929]

I also prayed for the absolute truth and He has most definitely answered my prayers.

[@Theoriginalgreenring]

"The only reason our relationship cannot continue is because of seven dudes in a conference room in Brooklyn"...I've said these same words you uttered to my own family but of course they don't see it this way. On top of that, these seven dudes have NO CLUE who my family are, ain't thinking about them, and don't give 2 💩's about them! Yet family lives to throw money at them and keep worshipping them. Great interview. Thank you so much.

[@seadog92023]

Candice Lambert- I've said the same words.....7 guys nyc who you don't even know...

[@martinjames3357]

Amen!!!!!

[@lulubellers]

I've been in that conference room (wasn't supposed to go in there,it wasn't part of the "tour" but i was with someone who knew a high up secretary) and i thought, so this is where the offspring of vipers sit. And I thought the same thing as your comment,they don't know you, or the elders, and their minions don't know them, but yet we need to OBEY these idiots as they make board room corporate decisions! and VOTE on what will be new light and CHANGES to doctrine!

[@jeantucker4540]

Candice Lambert so true

[@theresaakins2317]

@@lulubellers you know, I've been doing alot of deep thinking...b4 the internet us JWs who were in at 5he time, knew very little about the GB not even knowing what they looked like. So it was easy for us to put them on a pedestal (yes, I do have some to blame for this), yes we had them on a pedestal, in awe of them so it was easy for them to get our cooperation (worship). The GB quite liked this adoration. And we took all their "new light" in stride. Fast forward to the internet age and the WT with their videos with the GB, and, lo and behold! They were like you and I! Very infallible, no halos around their heads and even a covert video showing GB member Tony Morris buying vast quantities of alcohol! And his talks on video! Wow! He appears tipsy in some of them. Down comes our heroes off their pedestals,and, to be fair it wasn't our faults that we were in awe of them. The GB put themselves on that pedestal by saying they were of the 144,000, who were to rule over us in Heaven. What else were we going to think? They are no more exalted than you or I, keeping us captive.

[@coralrain6332]

Most ex members need intensive therapy and support after leaving. I was a student for six months and I was shocked beyond belief with the abuse and emotional blackmail this cult inflicts on its members. I told some of their kids " get out and enjoy the world"

[@Druppi1234]

"Enjoy the World" Thats the Spirit of the bible.... "Enjoy the World" Sounds more like "Teaching of a damon" Nice Job man

[@DVines-sz4nn]

Nothing but RESPECT for both of you! I understand why those still in that "group think tank" can never wake up. They have taught themselves nothing else. They are contained blissfully ignorant Scared and convinced. It works for them until... it doesn't and the soul seeks more and began to inquire. I left many years ago and not one day have I ever doubted that it was a wrong decision though the sadness was heavy. I read everything I could and took chances trusting and because I knew what I stood for no one had power to cause me to betray myself. I Am thrilled beyond the telling today. No regrets at all. Ty

[@thehannahregina]

This was such a good interview. I have to listen to this again

[@l-trainzero1451]

Love your mom for doing something positive in your life.

[@esbizzze]

Fifth thank you for this interview. It's great exposure being that this gentleman was so close to the GB. He had access to the alleged spiritual best and saw the hypocrisy first hand and was able to wake up.

[@exjwfifth9838]

esbize 2day4ever I'm really glad you enjoyed it

[@lovelight8180]

yes the exposure he had was top notch and among the most valuable interviews.

[@tammyg8031]

@@exjwfifth9838 Fifth please give me your email address. I have informed that my interest you. Tx. TAMMY

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

​@@exjwfifth9838Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..

[@mytwocents6727]

"The only reason our relationship cannot continue is because of seven dudes in a conference room in Brooklyn" I couldn't have said it better myself.

[@TheWriterWalker]

Listening again in April 2021. I learn something from Edward every time.

[@martinjames3357]

As a formal witness once I left the so call Truth I realized one important fact. Were they live for the after life. I live for LIFE!

[@LovingAtlanta]

👍Wow! This was great. 💞 I have said the same things like “your religion depends on where you were born”, “people can’t talk to or socialize with certain people and family members because of seven dudes in Brooklyn in a conference”. Thank you Edward for sharing your story. Wishing you both the best. 🤗💞🤗

[@yo_its_javi9808]

Awesome interview. I appreciate his healthy outlook on life outside of the organization. "Live your real best life."

[@LovinLife-pv7op]

Ouch! "If God wasn't able to prevent his own name from being taken out of the Bible, what else was he unable to prevent from being changed?" Let me repeat.....OUCH!

[@dianesicgala4310]

I was caught up in this cult for 19yrs. I did me a lot of damage with my family. So glad to be free.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Diane Sic congrats on making it out!

[@saffronhammer7714]

So happy to be out and free! Life is so much better outside the cult.

[@saffronhammer7714]

Return to the place she escaped from? The cult that damaged her family? Did you read her comment? She is so glad to be free. Perhaps one day you, too, can find freedom and true happiness. I wish you all the best.

[@SailorSam41]

Brother Keith Lawson writes: "HI Candice, you fat miserable apostate harlot..." Ah yes, the sheep always respond to the voice of the one true shepherd

[@saffronhammer7714]

Protection of the kingdom hall. haha!

[@TheWriterWalker]

At 27:55: "You can't ruin someone's life if they want to leave. That should be illegal!" Priceless!

[@desertrose6100]

Loved listening to this interview. Leaving the organization is one of the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. But, now it just feels so freeing and good to be yourself. ❤️

[@anonymousvon5159]

If they made it easy to leave: the hall would be empty!

[@exjwfifth9838]

Anonymous Von I couldn't agree more. I think they would rather put up with bad publicity than letting people leave. This is the only way that they can survive and they know that

[@coralrain6332]

Anonymous Von yep.

[@totsysmith309]

Anonymous Von No leader of Jehovah will stop a member from leaving, but no good parent will just throw out their child with encouragening them first

[@totsysmith309]

Fifth thats not true

[@totsysmith309]

for any person to know the truth about the true and living God! Jehovah and dont want to call him by his name! I cant believed you were faithful to our creator or to his son Jsus the Christ????

[@thrivingexjw2061]

So happy to hear of another Ex JW moving on & making a great life! Great video !

[@exjwfifth9838]

Lonna T thanks a lot 😁

[@planb939]

Man... I relate to this 100%!!! Thank you for doing this interview

[@southernbawselady7092]

AWESOME interview!.. What a great way to start my Monday!.. you all have given me the extra courage that I needed to move forward! Stay strong and continue enjoying your life!!..👍👏

[@guillermovilla9517]

Not getting spiritually weak-indoctrination wearing off. LOVE IT AND SO TRUE

[@lovelight8180]

Hey fifth! Ok so all I have to say my man is thank you again! I always enjoy your interviews because you go straight for quality interviews my man. I mean bethelites, pioneers, elders, this is where its at. I am still trying to peel myself to becoming fully awake and this is 100% what I need and so many others. Not to discredit any other jw channels and interviews but for highly indoctrinated born in jws trying to wake up. You know what we value, people way up and especially who have any bethel, missionary or Governing body contact who can now see and tell that this is all a huge hoax....this is your best fit, and I must say even if it takes you a longer time to acquire these people, even if it takes time to convince them to interview simply via audio, don;t sacrifice this type of genre of interviews that you offer...Let's face it, that's why crisis of conscience has opened so many peoples eyes, because he was an actual ranking gb member and people saw that he was the antithesis of the organization. It really helps you wake up. Again this interview helped me alot, just another great notch in my journey. please know this is where you bring quality, a difference, a special connector to this community--quality higher level interviews of people who by no means are wacky, but fully in and had to leave due to their cognitive thinking skills. People who did struggle with it, but knowing TTAT they couldn't fight any longer. Keep at this my friend, seek them out. Who knows one day, and I do hope for this. You may land a motherload of an interview with a helper to the GB that we young people are familiar with. Many out there who are faded and have basically been high up could be watching, waiting for someone of high caliber as yourself. You are a great addition my friend. Thank you, and hopefully one day someone even on the writing commitee will interview with you. Now that would be a blockbuster. Seek em out my friend--quality. thanks!

[@exjwfifth9838]

V Jay man you have no idea how much I appreciate your feedback. It's a great feeling to know that these videos are making a difference. I had no plans to do these interviews when I put my own story up. But I just thought about what had helped me to start thinking, and for me that was these higher ranking individuals that I knew personally who walked away. I feel that it makes quite a statement when you hear how sincere these people are and how painful it was for them to leave. You see they aren't these evil people that watchtower wants you to think they are. Really glad to hear that it resonates with you! I wish you success on the rest of your journey

[@cherieseaton]

Super loved this inteview! This is amazing how this young man made his life over and is happy! Love it!

[@clementmabunda3131]

27:33 "It's not like I left and I was heartless about it. I had to leave 'cause I was gonna die." I totally feel you, Ed. I made a similar statement in a recent article explaining why I disassociated from the organisation. I just couldn't... thinkingwitnesses.org/royal-commission-reloaded-angus-stewart-vs-watchtower/

[@exjwfifth9838]

Clement Mabunda Long time no see man. Good to hear from you again

[@clementmabunda3131]

Yeah, this legal career's no joke, lol... my time is not my own.

[@intrepidtraveller8212]

Says the consummate party animal of WITS ! ....................lol

[@clementmabunda3131]

LOL!!! False...

[@toddhayes3506]

@@exjwfifth9838 Great Job Fifth another amazing interview

[@jehovahshotwitch4776]

Love this. "Ruin People's Lives" He nailed it. Life WRECKERS. They shatter dreams, they beat you to a pulp mentally and you don't even know it. False, FAKE, one small stone is all it takes to shatter it, then guess what? Your STUCK in it. Watchtower makes you lay in it because of their heartless, meaningless, cruel rules & policies.

[@AV-th7uy]

I really enjoyed this interview! Thank you for sharing...Amazing how much we really LEARN outside of the JW org.

[@manthonyw13]

lol...thats why they created it so the congregation can watch their made up news instead of searching out for the truth

[@jwanon1841]

thank you guys. it was very interesting to listen to an ex bethelite elder awakening story. I am 1% hopeful that one day someone in my family will wake up as well. That would make me the happiest person ever. thx V

[@exjwfifth9838]

JW anon I'm hoping for the same thing. I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@danielwhitby6660]

JW anon I've talked to exjw that woke after 50 years keep planting seeds and they will grow. His word is sharper than a 2 edge sword

[@danielwhitby6660]

Brother Keith Lawson exactly what a person in their right mind would do. not stay in a organization that been trying to figure out the bible for over 100 and still flip flopping on doctrines.

[@louisawatts3157]

Walking away from Jehovah and meeting Jesus is the sanest thing one can do.

[@vinniegg]

Reality is reality. When life serves you lemons (The Watchtower), you make lemonade. It is really sad when I read your words. The reason is because you are saying exactly what I would of said up to the age of 44 (I am 47). Your statement contains the key that you need to awaken from this stupor. It is the key that terrified me a little less than 3 years ago. Like myself you used the word Jehovah and equated it with the Watchtower organization. Once you understand clearly that the name Jehovah is used interchangeably with "organization", the house of cards comes crashing down. I loved being a witness. But when you discover the dark truth, and I mean dark, your psyche will wreak havoc on you. Everything you "knew", everything you thought was true, will come crashing down. You will be confused, lost, and empty. But with time, you will heal. I am proof of that. You have no idea what my story is like. I am very grateful I found out what I did. It was terrifying in the true sense of the word when I left. But I still have years to build a better life. I don't know how old you are, but please take time to examine it. Don't find out the real truth in the final days of life, and say, 'What have I done?'

[@maryannhollingsworth945]

Thank you so much for sharing your story! Experiences like these help me fight against the indoctrination that runs so strong in my mind

[@terryannrose4582]

Excellent video, enjoyed his experience. I love hearing how other woke up and came out of the WT organization. So many of us have that epiphany moment when we realize something is just not right and usually from there it is wake up time.

[@geeemale3502]

Fifth...keep up the good work. I really enjoy your way of interviewing exjws. You are a thorn in 'Mothers' side that ain't going away any day soon. :) :)

[@dinahs1556]

OH MY GOD! I LOVED THIS INTERVIEW! Keep them coming if possible. I've been watching so many videos and reading blogs. Each time I realize something new about myself, my family or just the people around me. One day I need to do my own video because I know everybody is unique and has something different to offer to others. I literally "woke up" a few days ago after being gone from the JW life for 17 years. It has been the most profound experience of my life. Thank you!

[@DoctorZaeus]

This interviews you're doing are flat out amazing.

[@cindyarnold7322]

Oh my goodness! This is fascinating! Thank you for telling your story! Thank you Fifth for this interview! A real eye opener!

[@alexjohnson2274]

Wow! This was such an awesome interview. I enjoyed Edward's honest account of his life experiences and the real struggles we go through to become our authentic selves. I am really happy for you. Just to help clarify, some here asked about the Bethel brother Edward mentioned "Howard Rutledge". I believe that Edward is talking about exJW activist "Howie Tran" or "Howie Rutledge Tran" who worked with the governing body as a personal assistant and woke up when he was a Bethel elder. I've spoken with him on Facebook many times (Howie Rutledge Tran) and he's another awesome exJW, very personable and kind. His interview on JWpodcast is 1/28/2017 "Personal Assistant to the Governing Body" and he also was on the NPR Reveal news radio program last year called "Secrets of the Watchtower" done by reporter Trey Bundy. I hope this helps, for those interested.

[@rangerdog2946]

I too dealt with suicidal thoughts and deep depression after having been raised in it. In the end, I had to choose between dying or losing my family and every friend I ever had. Ultimately, I left to a foreign country with the little money I had and started my life over again. It was the hardest thing I ever did, especially living with the knowledge that if I ever returned, I would have no home to go to. At the age of 22, I restarted my life from scratch with no safety net behind me. Would I do the same again? Every time! The freedom from oppression turned my entire life around, and I would live on the street before I ever went back to that dark place. In fact, for a few months I actually lived in a tent in a park! It was all worth it, and I owe my life to escaping that cult.

[@jushaup426]

What a great interview, thank you Fifth and "Edward"! Looks like the Watchtower is losing some of their best people. And btw I was totally flabbergasted too when the Society just up and admitted all those "types" and "anti-types" we studied meant absolutely nothing - unbelievable!!!

[@exjwfifth9838]

Belle i'm really happy you enjoyed it and I agree with you, many of these people that are leaving were considered spiritual giants. It has to at least make witnesses think

[@bretpowers1215]

Fifth... My son and I have thought about getting interviewed.. I was 6 yrs a Servant and 11 yrs an Elder also a pioneer and served many positions Service overseer, School overseer and secretary... My son served 5 yrs at Bethel just left in 2016 and after leaving Bethel never again attended a meeting me my wife and other son and daughter left in 2014 after i resigned as an elder..

[@MrDJCue]

Bret Powers Please contact Fifth! Love to hear your story.

[@MM-dv9hp]

Excellent interview. I share some of the same sentiments of Edward. I applaud people like Fifth, John Cedars, Critical Thinkers, etc., but people have to decide for themselves how long they want to wear this religion. At the same time respect people who make different decisions. And yes! I still believe in my Creator whomever the force...Good interview.

[@SailorSam41]

Man, that was sooo good. I've been out 18 years and heard many experiences, this was up there with the very best. Thank you for publishing it.

[@zoar541]

How do you go from believing in Jesus and Jehovah to studying about Buddhism? that's crazy man. I'm not a JW .I'm a Christian.

[@jerryjones7745]

You say you are not a Jehovah witness but you used the name Jehovah... Jehovah witnesses are no different then any other false religions ... I to studied and learn about different religions.. Because some of watchtower false teaching is some other religion false teaching too.

[@thomasaladi3639]

Thanks for sharing. I found out that if you are a JW and you start researching outside of Watch tower publications only and asking critical questions. soon you will be awake to all the erroneous teaching of the WT.org. I recently removed my self and dealing with the shunning. it is good to know of others with same experience.

[@BurrQ19]

I especially enjoyed this interview. "Edward" and Cliff know why. We were JWs who lived that life. I knew some of those dots weren't adding up, and when a JW truly humbles themselves, and releases the arrogance they are taught to display, then deal with real world facts and more than one source for their evidence, they will be happier people too. They will in time become the authentic person they were meant to be. Not the person who has to use the Watchtower as their conscience ( seeing only through WT googles) for every situation. With WT googles on, no one can see the real truth, only the WT's brand of truth...it's their trademark.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Gerard Burton thanks a lot bro I figured you would appreciate this one. And I agree with you 100%

[@southernbawselady7092]

On point Gerard!..I agree with you 1000% 👍

[@kaycees1111]

Question ❓ When we write a letter to be removed as a JW, why is the announcement that we are Disfellowshipped? I don't get that. Why can't we just leave freely? I am PIMO😢

[@exjwfifth9838]

The announcement is technically “so-and-so is no longer one of JWs”, they used to make one announcement for DF and another announcement for DA but they changed it and combined it into one announcement for both (I believe because of legal trouble that the org got into). So the congregation is free to speculate on whether someone was DFd or DAd but usually everyone assumes the person was disfellowshipped because disassociating is less common

[@BuckAken0319]

I've been watching your videos for about.2 months almost. I am so relieved that theres an entire community out here that havent necessarily met, but we're all on the same page. it would be cool if you could interview everyone at some point. like a ex jw call in lol everyones awakening moment. either way man, keep up the good work. The video with Apollo is still my favorite. fallacies informal and formal

[@exjwfifth9838]

Steve Wesson thanks a lot for supporting the content bro and you're absolutely right we are not told about this community at all. That's part of what drives me to put this stuff out because people have been misinformed about exjws. That's a great idea about interviewing everyone lol I'll set that as a goal. Thanks again!

[@burbingberries6917]

Jehovahs has ALWAYS personally endorsed his chosen people, ESPECIALLY the leaders. He had Moses provide undeniable proof he was the chosen leader at Exodus 4:6-9. Despite Jesus going around healing the sick, raising the dead, calming storms, and performing so many miracles that a record of them could fill a library, Jehovah still personally spoke 3 times from heaven to identify him. CT Russell went a room, came out and said "I think the bible says this.Believe it or die." 100+ years later we barely believe a single teaching of Russel and still no endorsement from Jehovah. Yet, I still have to listen to some men who have no proof they're "anointed" and have stated themselves that they are under no direct inspiration from the Holy Spirit, nor have any special enlightenment, in God's "SPIRIT DIRECTED" organization.

[@ajtrebla]

Wow, embrace the world, love the statement. What you put out is what you recieve. Great video

[@j.c.anderson877]

excellent interview as always. Man he bought back a lot of memories

[@nellylugo7414]

It is difficult to leave your friends or family! I only left friends, and one day I did the same thing the brother did, I saw a sister that I love with all my heart and my first reaction was to hug her and kiss her, she in contrary stayed like a zombie, arms down, eyes to the front and no face reaction! I said I still love you and left! Back home I cried like a girl, but I learned my lesson! They are indoctrinated, they have fear of been Disfellowship, and they've been told that we are part of Satan now!

[@firstsando]

I am so sorry, it is just hard to believe God wants us act like she did. God is love not hatefulness. Glad you are now free.

[@risingspirit1983]

Just thinking about your experience brought me to tears... That's very powerful mind control when a person chooses not to respond to their inner compass the Bible so freely tells us God put into each one of us but in the same book tell us to not lean upon our own understanding... That's like giving a child a piece of cake and tell them don't eat it because it's not good for you... The Bible is full of wizardry SMH

[@kittylove2975]

I always enjoy your interviews! Thanks. 💫

[@exjwfifth9838]

Aka Perez I really appreciate that thank you

[@Moodelyn]

This interview is the best! That dribble lol.....

[@SonofThunder]

wow. awesome job! fifth you are bursting on the scene with great stuff. one love bros.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Son of Thunder hey thanks a lot man. The feeling is mutual I never miss your videos. Let's keep this thing going

[@belovedkingdom]

You guys are awesome! I love the questions you asked your wife! Wish I had a ton of questions like that! Blessings!

[@marvelprince9893]

Thank you Fifth and "Edward" for sharing such a great video...very helpful and reassuring when one can hear experiences like this.

[@ShareceSellemMime]

Amazing. My journey out was very similar. What stood out to me was when he went to foreign language and woke up because the power was weakened...wow

[@Noops89]

What happened to your wife? My story is similar to yours.

[@thenowchurch6419]

Thank God for critical thinking. This guy started asking the right questions.

[@5065ca]

This is bitter sweet, its good he got away from the cult but it's sad they created an almost atheist

[@emblems4life726]

Love your video and content but please try to record your audio on both channels. This video only has left side audio present. Blessings.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Emblems4Life definitely appreciate the suggestion I honestly don't really know what I'm doing as far as production lol so I appreciate the tip

[@dr.richmann4477]

I thought something was wrong with my headphones.

[@kirielbranson4843]

Dr. Richmann me too! I was just going to go and get my replacement earbuds until I read this.

[@laurawilliamson929]

I also woke up but another horrible thing about the JW religion is that so many that wake up become atheist or agnostic and I believe that's due to abhorrence to the thought of being controlled by men ever again. There is no "one true religion. " There is however God, and Jesus, and the Bible. Noone ever has to step foot in a church, and probably shouldn't, to believe that. It's not about religion or belonging to any religion or any group. It's about a personal relationship with God, not any man, which noone needs anyone to govern or control. The book of Romans really drove that home to me when I read it, on my own, with no other literature or anyone telling me what it's supposed to mean. The truth really does set you free. Believing isn't and never was meant to be a burden and I know that now. Being a JW is an absolute burden much more so than all the other "religions". I now have a personal relationship, just me and Him, and there's nothing more awesome or freeing to me and I no longer suffer depression or anxiety or shame etc.

[@fancysfolly554]

Very good interview..I’m glad his mother hasn’t shunned him...I’m also glad that his life and career are going well...he has a very good, positive way of approaching his departure from the Watchtower..

[@saffronhammer7714]

Great interview with a thoughtful and intelligent man. I loved it! I can so relate to Edward's story and his reasoning and waking up. I, too, do not embrace their label Apostate. I don't try waking JWs and respect that others have the right to have their own beliefs--- but I do know WTS is not The Truth (trademarked). Exactly as Edward explains, "Preposterous that seven dudes in Brooklyn speak for God." As a faithful, active JW I was miserable. I also am happier than ever and able to be my true self. I am no longer religious, but I feel spiritually connected for the first time in my life. Everything is better outside the Doomsday cult.

[@flostep9887]

WHERE CAN I FIND THE TRUTH?

[@saffronhammer7714]

Within. The answers are within and truth is not trademarked.

[@savedbygrace791]

In your bible (not the NWT). God's Word is truth. Start reading the book of John, then Romans. Pray first and ask God to lead you and show you what you need to do. Go to this website and follow instructions; www.lwf.org/assurance-of-salvation. For some excellent teaching here is another website with many topics, but do not neglect your bible reading: www.ariel.org/come-and-see.htm. God bless you.

[@saffronhammer7714]

Not my Bible, but thanks for the kind thought. I have read the bible from beginning to end many times. Not a book I want to live my life based on, nor the god I want to worship or worship. I am so happy now that I have left the Bible and religion in the past. Everything is better now.

[@zachariahfox4340]

Couldn't quite make out all of the books he mentioned. Can you please let me know what they are?

[@naterobinson5141]

That was an enjoyable and fun interview! Critical thinking at its best!

[@spikeoramathon]

Very well done! - And Scientology can also make a rocket scientist work as a janitor. But yeah, they seem to be the heaviest of the mind control. Great interview. Bravo, gentlemen.

[@veronicacolon9369]

I agree, it should be illegal for a religion to ruin somebody's life if they want to leave.

[@vandalayindustries8036]

Interesting how much of the person you interviewed and my own story are similar. Agnostic, inactive (not DF'd), kind of on the line, lost some real good people, some others still JW's are my close friends........its really interesting. I have more than most like he does, but still some of the close friends in my life leaving our friendship because of my inactivity....still hurts. Even waking up while serving abroad. What a trip.

[@paradox7743]

Excellent interview Fifth-I really enjoyed it. Great to see "Edward" doing well and dispelling the myth this cult promotes that if you leave your life is doomed.This is how they use fear on the sheep.But once you see thru fear there's nothing to fear.It's just the opposite once you leave their matrix and stand in your truth Life is a beautiful place.You make your life what it is.Look forward to your next post-Well done

[@JimCampbell777]

I really like Edward's lucid style. He has incredible charisma that comes across even without seeing him. I hope that he becomes more of an, at least part-time, activist. I think he would find it challenging, enjoyable and rewarding.

[@spartan5106]

"I'm a liberal progressive new yorker" 😂😂 like that was a good thing

[@mikepanayiotou6520]

This interview was fantastic, has this been shared on the ExJW page on Facebook?

[@exjwfifth9838]

Mike Panayiotou no but I will now lol

[@mikepanayiotou6520]

I already shared it :) but 2 shares can't hurt. This information is gold !

[@aliciamoon8172]

Have you ever wondered why the governing body don't wear mustaches with the exception of the Black brother? I was told that only Caucasian brothers are not allow to wear mustaches if they are members of the GB. Compare that to the requirements of the High Priests of Kemet.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Alicia Harden that's an interesting point. I've found that to be true generally speaking within the organization. For black and Hispanic brothers mustaches seem more acceptable within the organization. Also I noticed that if you are black, being bald is not frowned upon as much. But for Caucasian brothers and Hispanic brothers, in my experience it seems that it was...who comes up with this stuff? I have no idea

[@aliciamoon8172]

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond but in my studies I have found that Charles Taze Russell believed that only Caucasians were of the anointed and that we, as African Americans, would become "whiter" as we learned the "truth". Russell was extremely familiar with the practices of Egypt. In fact, disputed by many, Egyptian culture was actually monotheistic and many biblical teachings are eerily similar to those of that culture. Furthermore...if you look up the Dead Sea Scrolls, you will find that they were supposedly found in a cave amongst the scrolls and writings from Egyptian temples which were associated with Akhenaten. Anyway...that's a whole "nother" story, but Russell was a Mason and was quite familiar with the "real truth". This is why he had a pyramid as his tombstone. One more interesting thought to consider....Blacks were not allowed to be counted as one of the anointed until the '50's I think(please correct me if I am wrong), but in any case... wouldn't that explain (in part) why the number of "anointed" or partakers may have increased as well? LOL! (count me in brother!) Russell wouldn't allow the friends to preach to members of Black churches at first because he said "we wouldn't get it"....LOL. GOT IT NOW THO!

[@alexfarias5156]

Alicia Moon that just goes to show you that it's a European thing to be completely shaved. No where in the bible does it say to shave your beard. I have a lot of information to share but I don't want to overwhelm people with information. God has opened my eyes and is showing me the truth. I was born and raised in this religion and I was indoctrinated so much that I was still defending the JWs a couple months ago. Black people are special people to God I don't know if you know that.

[@nickyannajones]

Alicia Moon: I know! Ive always had problems with the teaching that a brother can't have a beard if they want privileges. So, Jehovah is wrong for making hair grow?! Huh!

[@jameshigginbottom632]

Alex El Estudiante all people are special to God, but I get your point

[@intrepidtraveller8212]

Enjoyed this interview and I know that shot of him sitting on the top of Table Mountain [Cape Town] - That's my home! Enjoy this interactive photo: www.kapstadt.de/panorama/milnerton-tafelberg-nach-westen.html

[@VAI-to3hb]

These are some really good interviews. I was a "born in". Have you guys become atheist now? Is that where you are spiritually?

[@dianawhatley9285]

VAI0294 I studied for a very long time. But I read my bible not just what was shown to me.. I love The Word.. I noticed that what I was reading and what I was being didn't jive. Keep on seeking what is true.

[@ej1722]

Interesting interview. We wake up in different stages. So never give up on people👍!

[@saraabraham5486]

LOL, I couldn't seat still at the Kingdom Halls; for the two years preceding my exit. I really do believe that God is literally waking people up- there is a paradigm shift going on-hummm!!!

[@laceya85]

sara Abraham I am so glad God is waking people up!! I really hope my step children's mother wakes up and gets them out of there!!!

[@laceya85]

Wotiknow Now May I ask what made you realize you needed to leave?

[@southernbawselady7092]

Hi Sara!..I agree with you wholeheartedly!.. my awakening was organic and I literally thought something was wrong with me!.. But I came to the conclusion it was from a higher power!..He is definitely waking people up!

[@bonbossa6074]

Hi Sara! I've been noticing your comments. You're always mentioning the Haitian community. I go to an English congregation though I'm Haitian and very familiar with the Haitian JW community too. Just saying hi!

[@AW-cn3cz]

I had started fading (my heart was never truly into it) at 24. I was around alot of witnesses since I had to move in with my parents after I left a horrible marriage with a small child. My sister also lived there and was the only active witness at the time. So we had friends come in from out of town for the local assembly weekend. They talked me into going. We slept late and sat around and went in very late. I sat down, literally for 5 minutes, got up and bolted. Never ever went back. That was the day I really started to breath freely. It was SUCH an unnatural feeling.

[@saffronhammer7714]

Everything is better outside the WTS . Living the real life Now, being able to understand and experience unconditional love, finding peace and happiness--all of that is mine since walking away and waking up from this Doomsday Cult.

[@burbingberries6917]

I remember I got a spanking when I got home, because I went outside the yellow lines during the bethel tour at Brooklyn. I think I was 9 years old. Crazy

[@cornypinkuni9519]

Love the energy. Glad you got out. Love the comments about asking questions. One thing I'm curious about, if you are not df'd is your wife "free" to remarry (according to jw opinion)?

[@cornypinkuni9519]

*or ex-wife, as the case may be

[@catht9653]

I loved this interview. It sounded like there was a third person in the room? Anyway, cool guy and you are such a great interviewer.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Cath T no it was just us two, I was just having mic issues that day lol

[@johnjearos8783]

Don't turn to Buddhism Edward. Find a nice Evangelical Church. They don't have all the false doctrine and baggage that the Watchtower Society does. I know this from personal experience.

[@ej1722]

I really didn't want to say this but you need to get you a Hebrew Tanach and compare it to the OT. Catholicism has changed the OT to indoctrinate Christianity. Please research that. & if the Christ is the Hebrew Messiah.

[@lisaherron2368]

I enjoyed this... Thanks for sharing.

[@josuerivera7921]

i Hope he continues to search the scriptures and turn to Christ.

[@donnaadams4977]

They don't understand people don't leave because they want to live a worldly life like they teach their people . They leave simple because they want the truth . Revelation 5:5 tell us that only these people have the authority to teach the real truth not 7 men that are not apart of who is mention in Revelation 5:5

[@taaadaaa5256]

***Please Read*** - Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz And - Captives of a Concept by Don Cameron

[@samuelmatz]

"And all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 Many people are content with their basic understanding of the teaching of God's word and feel no need to question that understanding. However, some, through thorough search of the Scriptures have realized the need to amend their views. It is well known that truth stands under scrutiny and our faith will only be strengthened by such an examination for,in, the words of Paul, " a person should ....keep testing whether you are in the faith" (2 Corinth.13:5)

[@TheWriterWalker]

Why does leaving the Witness organization necessitate his leaving his wife?

[@KameronFader]

@19:53 is my favorite part, "Edward" made a few points I had never thought about when pointing out Rev 21:3,4 and Jehovah's name. Great content, would love to meet this dude.

[@Becky4100]

I'm so glad to see that you are free from the mind control of Watchtower Society religion. I was involved for about 20 years. But, like any cult they managed to keep you and a lot of ex cult's from the the truth who is Christ Jesus and from having a relationship with him. That is not a religion but is spiritual. We all have a spirit and are made in God's image and may have the Holy Spirit come abide with us as Jesus abides with the Father and the Father with him. If we ask he will send us his holy spirit to abide in us too. All we need to do is ask if we truly believe that Jesus Christ is our savior. The Bible is truly the word of God and was with him in the beginning and was written down of men led by the Holy Spirit of God. Just don't get knit picky over the names of God right now because that will detour you away from that wonderful and holy relationship that is done in the spiritual realm. You'll never know a more personal and loving relationship until you give Jesus a chance. My prayer for all you here who have left the Watchtower cult is that you meet the best friend you will ever have and know, Jesus Christ. He is the only one that can tell you more about Jehovah, his father and ours if we let him adopt us, than anyone in the Bible. Let him show you. I say this sharing the love of our creator and the one who doesn't stay far from us but wants to walk with us forever. Don't go into the Holy Bible looking for mistakes or proofs to debate with. Just go into it and listen to what he has to say. Think of it as a love letter. Look for the parts where he wants to love you and how he's trying to transform you back to the whole person you were created to be when he put you in the garden before the fall. He is bringing it back to that. He doesn't want anyone to miss being whole and perfect again in his kingdom that will be for eternity. Remember the scripture where it says he is making all things new? That part is true. God is love and he can't lie. God bless you all.

[@DeniseHedberg66]

Wonderful chat! It was great to listen to!

[@exjwfifth9838]

Denise Hedberg66 thank you!

[@godislove544]

Great interview! He mentioned two things I would like to find but can't quite make out - one was a blog of a JW who had woken up because of going to China, Ember ??, and then on he mentions someone by the name of Rutledge ? who has a KZbin channel. Does anyone know these links?

[@havekin]

God Is Love ....the girl he mentions is Amber scorah who missionaried in China and the act of going underground helped her wake up.

[@alexjohnson2274]

I believe the exJW Bethel brother "Howard Rutledge" that Edward mentions is "Howie Rutledge Tran" sometimes called "Howie Tran". I know over the years Howie has done some articles and interviews talking about his experiences working directly with the governing body and he was at Bethel for a long time and was an elder there. He did an interview with reporter Trey Bundy, that was broadcast across the country on NPR radio and was really good. Also, he did an amazing JWpodcast interview with Louise and he talks in detail about what he saw behind the scenes while in the cult. Here is a link to the radio program: www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?Reveal& This is the JWPodcast: jwpodcastshow.podbean.com/e/s03e14-personal-assistant-to-the-governing-body/?token=d6d2aeae8502d132ef6dabc7514fd957

[@ShoNuffSoulBro1]

Alex Johnson Amazing interview on that pod cast, Thanks for sharing!

[@ElijahJudah]

It sounds like this man just wants to go out and play in the world. He sounds so intrigued by the world and the things in it. He rejected a woman that Loves GOD(very rare), so that he could play in the world with people who love the world. I dont go to the Kingdom Hall, but I can see this guy is conjuring the wrong path. I stopped attending the kingdom hall , but, my relationship with "I Am" has grown stronger, and I listen to Jehovah much more now than I ever did. Read: 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

[@totsysmith309]

today I love Jehovah more than ever

[@vnessa06vf]

Interesting the different views. I grew up as a JW, pioneered etc. Then Reality smacked me in the face all at once. Turned out one of the young brothers in the hall whose father was an elder, was sexually abusing him. When he told me I gasped and immediately said go to the elders. He said he did and they met with his dad, then they met with him and his dad. He said it was a tearful what he thought was a resolution. Shortly after, it continued. His mom refused to have a conversation about it as if she didn't want to acknowledge it. He said after about a year of the circle back and forth with the elders he told an elder he was going to go to the police. I really can't remember what he said they told him, but they diswayed him from doing so. That evening he came to my house in tears because he felt he had no outlet and I had no better advise for him because the elders told him don't go to the police, (oh his dad is still an elder). I am no longer a witness, but that is one of the things that haunts me the most, was that I should have gotten him in my car and drove him to the police station myself. After not seeing him at the meetings after that, I was worried so Inquired and found out he met some people and went off to Louisiana, I have prayed he didn't commit suicide or become a sexual predator himself. I won't go into the other experiences and what happened when I started asking questions. Anyway, sad, sad, sad. I still keep in touch with some of the witnesses and they try to get me to come back. I still have family that are JW and we do talk. However, I cannot unknow the truths that I have learned and the lies that I lived. I do pray more JW wake up and stop making excuses for the things they know in their souls to be fundamentally wrong. But, I do know and see the power of indoctrination, so I will continue to pray for them.

[@alexfarias5156]

vnessa06vf Oh wow that's really sad. I was a publisher but I never got baptized because something just didn't seem right about getting baptized. After I separated from my ex wife I started praying to God to show me the truth and oh has he showed me. Everyday he shows me new things. I have so much information to share but the truth sounds crazy. How did Noah sound to all the people when he said that water was going to fall from the sky and that had never happend before. Everyone taught that he was crazy. That's how I sound. I just want to meet one humble and open minded person who wants to learn so I show him or her what God is showing me.

[@benajminpadilla6360]

One of the best interviews i ever heard. Im in N.Y. I would love to meet that guy. Sounds mad cool.

[@kipmic1]

Enjoyed POD Cast!

[@georgethomson4953]

So where do i go to find the truth of God hu ?

[@whathehadas]

great interview like always. I swear that some of the JW lingo stays with us LOL. Like "Beneficiary" is only used by JW when referring to some good info or a experience. I just don't hear that word in the same context in the real world. Just one thing I noticed. Keep up the good work, VERY ENCOURAGING Brotha! 😆

[@exjwfifth9838]

Whathehadas Tower oh yeah I definitely don't pretend to have rid myself of JW lingo lol I'm working on it though. I'll try to have less by the next video lol thanks a lot for the comment!

[@stillwill2215]

You'll find the Truth when you find Jesus, religion not necessary.

[@LAWoman323213]

It's interesting that most former JWs identify themselves as being agnostic or even atheist. After many years, I've come to the conclusion that I'm definitely an agnostic.

[@savedbygrace791]

Please don't be put off God by your experiences in the Watchtower. That's not the God of the bible that you learned about there. The true God is a God of love, mercy and grace but He can only be reached through His Son Jesus Christ. He longs to have a relationship with you. Just pray and ask Him to reveal Himself to you. If you are sincere, He will.

[@jiggyone868]

@@savedbygrace791 that is a stupid thing to say. Go prove to a Muslim that Allah is false and the God of the bible is true. Go prove to a buhdist and Hindu's that there's is false.

[@taaadaaa5256]

Great Job 👍 V !