MS and Reg. Pioneer From My Former Congregation

In this video, I speak with Joseph J, someone that I met when he was just beginning to study Jehovah’s Witness publications with a friend of mine about 15 years ago. Over the years, I saw Joseph get baptized, bring his whole family into the organization, and become a ministerial servant and regular pioneer. In this interview, he explains why, as of late 2019, he is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and why he decided to speak out about the organization’s abusive policies.
En este video, hablo con Joseph J, una persona que conocí cuando recién empezaba a estudiar las publicaciones de los testigos de Jehová con un amigo mío hace más de 15 años. Con el tiempo, vi a Joseph bautizarse, traer a toda su familia a la organización y convertirse en siervo ministerial y precursor regular. En esta entrevista, él explica por qué deja de ser testigo, a fines de 2019, y por qué decide hablar sobre las políticas abusivas de esta organización.

[@jessicamarsh400]

My parents seem to think that because I'm not a jw anymore I'm not the same as I once was. I scratch my head at this because I actually feel im a better person than I was before.

[@lovermanski2]

Amen 👏🏽💪🏽👍🏽

[@CdnPIMO]

Because of the propaganda from videos like the prodigal son…they seem to automatically assume you’ll be like that character in the movie and turn to drugs, heavy drinking, risky sex and smoking etc…it’s like ummm NO, you don’t need to be an active JW to use 1/2 a brain and realize that doing all that is just stupid. Everyone knows you should stay away from all that. You don’t need to be a JW to have a clean and successful life.

[@sonyamendoza5337]

I feel the same way!

[@jasminemorales8007]

Cliff you are an amazing asset to the ex jw community. Love all of your interviews and your song the cost of doing business is fire !!! Thank you for all of your hard work .

[@KimF1]

Awesome! Now you guys can be REAL friends!! 💕

[@AV-th7uy]

Thank you for making that point - who we were as a person (humble, loving, caring, etc) that brought/kept us in the org...is exactly who we ARE when we leave. And I hate how we suddenly become villianized because we are DFd, when NOTHING about us (but our beliefs) have changed!

[@michaelnaz6457]

Good point

[@michaelnaz6457]

@Duan Romine Blind to what exactly?

[@michaelnaz6457]

@Duan Romine All that assumption with out any evidence. That's weakness in your own mine and doctrine to believe people can't survive or be diciplined in life with out being a JW. Even though you see successful, accomplished people in life everyday florishing. Your beliefs in this doctrine just won't let you connect the dots.

[@AV-th7uy]

@@michaelnaz6457 dont even bother responding to apologists like that dude. They are typically unstable anyhow - purposely coming to an exJW post and looking for a fight (aka attention)...and I personally have NO time to deal with unreasonable and unstable individuals. You shouldnt waste your time either

[@michaelnaz6457]

@Duan Romine Duran, what's the argument here? Who said the Bible isn't real? Your bouncing from one topic to another. Kinda life over zealous Christians.

[@joytoyouandme4593]

When individual activist feel that their videos aren’t reaching someone, this is a good reminder that they are planting seeds. It only takes one seed to plant doubt, which then blossoms into a bouquet of questions. Keep up the good work Soldiers of Truth!

[@octopusfish9064]

What a great interview! This gives me hope that my family and some friends will wake up at some point.

[@jennymeeks7931]

My friend is jehovah's witness and I am trying to wake her up, its so hard tho I can show her clear evidence that watchtower is false and she doesn't want to see it ☹

[@NeriReligion]

I am a Mexican activist and we are creating the first organization in Mexico in favor of people and victims, due to the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, there are many emotional victims in Mexico, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!

[@greatdayn4651]

What a fantastic interview. I appreciate greatly how Fifth lets them talk and doesn't interrupt a thousand times with his own input. This is the type of video that will awaken the indoctrinated masses. Much respect to them both.

[@BenjiDommnEdiciondeVideo]

True... He is a great listener.

[@AV-th7uy]

Agree. I cannot stand an "interview" where the Interviewer talks more than the person they are interviewing...that makes things boring and I lose interest. Fifth's interviews are perfectly done.

[@greatdayn4651]

@@AV-th7uy ; Yes.

[@user-nd7fo2oz4n]

@@AV-th7uy yeah I just watched one of those I couldn’t even finish it I so much wanted to see the content. I felt like I was sitting back at the hall with 1 million over explanations of something simple.

[@jeneb52]

Hey it's great you've reconnected with someone from the past that's out now.

[@jenburlock377]

@Duan Romine say what?

[@jenburlock377]

@Duan Romine So what if I am, what are you going to do about it?

[@jenburlock377]

@Duan Romine well actually I am not a part of this world, I am from the planet Venus! :)

[@derekholiday6576]

Jen Burlock both you r two chocolate nuts! Waiting to crack

[@jeneb52]

@Duan Romine I don't understand you duan. Please explain yourself.

[@vicroy5603]

Joseph, I have nothing other than to thank you greatly for your encouraging experience. I had a similar experience with you.

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

I can feel the passion Joseph has for the young people thwarted in their dreams and passions and talents. It also breaks my heart. I'm so glad you wonderful guys have re-connected! Family!❤

[@wingerj.4192]

Your rap song diserve mores views and attention. I went back to listen again. Congratulations 👏

[@jessicanerpio-cauldwell4987]

I like the part were Joseph said I'm the same "Careing" person when I was in the WT ORG n Still is when I left the WT ORG...So True for we see they're Activism...👍👍👍 Thank You 🤗

[@allthingsdelightful8565]

Great interview Cliff. Glad to see you thriving. WT will have you thinking your life will be a mess after you leave. You are proof there is happiness after leaving.

[@friendywendy3474]

Thank u mr fifth for another great video...u are one of the few that I can listen to...u helped me in my waking up process! 🙏🏼

[@jokich6379]

I am glad people are waking up. Appreciate also that there seems to more people drifting away from especially far right religion. A healthier direction. We expect God's mouthpiece to say something profound and with spirit.

[@DoctorZaeus]

Another outstanding interview. Thank you both.

[@sydhill8173]

Hey I deserved to be disfellowshipped, but it’s still hard. I was PIMO for years. Now I’m out a month and a half at 38 years old. I really enjoyed this and feel at least there’s a non judging part of exJWs that would accept me. Thanks

[@Lukronius]

Syd Hill It’s going to get better, I assure you. The ex-JW community has countless amazing, wonderful people waiting to love and support you. Get connected with the exjw sub-Reddit. Introduce yourself over there (r/exjw) and you’ll get some excellent support. Life outside of the JW cult has infinitely more potential for true happiness than life inside. We’re here for you!

[@mardi63]

Give yourself time to go through your emotions .. it’s kind of a grieving period . You can now live your best life ! I’m so happy that I can accept people and love them for who they are even if we have different views on things ... there’s beautiful and kind-hearted people out there !

[@sydhill8173]

Luke Whitmaker thank you for the support. It’s so new and hard to get acclimated to new surroundings. The support is super important Thank you so much

[@sydhill8173]

Gigi Stone thank you. Your words and support are so needed! I’m going to get better! Thanks you for the encouragement

[@thinkingman2020]

Congratulations! Check this out:. exjwhelp.com/

[@Gigislaps]

Love these interviews ♥️

[@jokich6379]

I always love your interviews and look forward to them. Wish you did more. And u always reflect back what was said.

[@margaretfrenkel408]

Love your interviews, keep up the great work. Thank you.

[@GG-kv8vv]

SO HAPPY!

[@GG-kv8vv]

Good job Cliff! So proud of you. Yiur

[@lovetoread9042]

I love your videos ex JW fifth. Your style of listening and the questions you ask allow person to really open up and share. You shocked me with the song cost of doing business though lol. I do love that too

[@justaroundthecorner2883]

Two great guys who have been stumbled by the inconsistencies of the GB.

[@marie-clairedelongchamp1330]

To Sirs with love!! « Class act » 😌

[@angiehavens1536]

Excellent video, proud to have you representing EX JWs.

[@cindyarnold7322]

Your interviews are always so good. I like the way you just let someone tell their story.

[@kipmic1]

Another great video Fifth!

[@pixels2u]

Joseph, great to hear your story and so happy you made it out.There are thousands and thousands of us out here, best of luck on your healing journey. Fifth, another great interview, keep up the excellent work. Happy New Year to you guys and all.

[@theleft-handedvillain20]

Such a relief to be OUT...no worries about getting caught up in busy-body DRAMA. Or spreading your business to folks. Life is easy now. I enjoy sleeping in on Saturdays. hahahaa

[@ncbrothad]

Greattt

[@andracadicecrawford4256]

GREAT VIDEO MY LOVING GENUINE BROTHERS.

[@exjwwokeup1617]

It feels nice when you finally "WAKE UP!"♥️

[@dimitylong792]

Yes I’ve been wanting to watch this interview! Right on Fifth I’ve been a subscriber and also love your rap🥂Okay now on to the video 😁

[@GG-kv8vv]

We ALL DO Cliff! Makes our hearts happy!

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

😂Ha ha funny how we click and like just as soon as the video pops up! What a 💎!!

[@mach9002]

where can i find his rap?

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

@@mach9002 kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4uohXeefrahf7s

[@mach9002]

@@annabizaro-doo-dah damn. How could i miss that?

[@heatheradams8946]

Been waiting for this ..and you haven't disappointed. Keep up the good work boys.

[@michelandin]

Gracias por más información !!

[@kellygeorge7635]

Loved his story

[@sofiamorgan6644]

Loved this interview! Thank you.

[@scottchi666]

Watching this video in a vacuum, one can see how the organization uses these appointments to make people feel spiritual by putting them in positions where they teach and preach and help others. All that's in this guys heart was these appointments and getting promoted ? I can see how attractive it can be....to be a leader and someone who can give a positive impact is addictive and makes someone feel important and spiritual

[@PetUniqueLLC]

Excellent interview!

[@elneno4508]

"I'd rather have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question" 🙏🏼

[@exjwfifth9838]

🙏🏿 💯

[@joiellekensington3403]

I follow several activists DAILY, periodically throughout the day, and Fifth ("Cliff") THIS IS IT!!! If no one else ever made another video exposing this fraud of a "religion" THIS IS THE ONE TO WATCH. From about 50 minutes in IT IS RIVETING!! It's like that portion of the BEST movie ever and then the commercial comes on and you just can't WAIT to see what happens next!!! And the young man said, "...and Jeffrey Jackson said..." BOOM, and then he quoted them LYING about Jesus being our, MY, mediator! BOOM! Man, listen, if Jdubs want to watch this and negate it it's because they DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!! This is stuff PRINTED IN THE STUDY EDITIONS! I was sitting in the meeting when we did this lesson and I remember thinking, "...WHAT?" But like so many other things, just dismissed it. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I remember thinking, "They're not talking about ME!" All I can say is, GET OUT OF HER YOU PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE DESTROYED WITH HER!! QUIT TOUCHING THAT UNCLEAN THING!! I have to get back to work. I'm not going keep typing but I'm sure going to keep listening! And I ADORE the way you keep eye contact with the people with whom you speak! So many teaching points. Joseph J, I wish you and your entire family all the best that life has to offer, and I am so happy for your escape!

[@beedelao7796]

Joielle Kensington I totally agree with you ♥️. Cliff you’re the best I’m so thankful for you, and all the information your videos provide. Por favor continúa desenmascarando a esta gente y ayudando a los demás a abrir los ojos a la verdad de la verdad. Un abrazo fuerte y un millón de gracias 🙏🏻

[@jesuschristismykingandsavi8172]

Wow great video my dear brother, so nice to see an interview with someone who met you when you both were jw at that time .. Am so happy to see when jw eyes open from darkness.. I am rejoicing to see many more jw seeing the light and coming out of that darkness.. Gave God all the praise 🙏

[@amazingbibleantiquities7221]

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit direct lost souls from this pseudo-sophisticated real estate/ publishing venture. Amen and amen! 🤔

[@traciharrett74]

Thank you so much for being there for him.

[@lovermanski2]

I really appreciate how you do interviews, because you allowed a person to do the talking. Very enjoyable to watch. Welcome to REAL FREEDOM 👍🏽👍🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@TheDrinkingGourd]

Another great vid brother!

[@eposton9819]

Thanks for sharing your story. You brought back some memories when I was going to the Kingdom Hall as a teenager. My mother was divorced (not a JW). I had moved out of my mother’s home and moved in with a JW friend. My so-called JW roommate wouldn’t pay part of his rental deposit or months of rent, and I had to move and live on my own. My father (not a JW) didn’t pay child support to help my mother, me or my siblings. My mother was in the hospital during this time and she had a lot of bills. I started working extra hours to help my mother with her bills and other expenses. Three elders came by my place asking why I wasn’t attending the meetings. I shared with them that I am helping out my mother with her expenses and working extra hours. One of the elders said, “Either your serve Jehovah and live or help your mother and die.” I said, “Thank you and have a nice day.” I shut the door behind them, and I have never been back.

[@thinkingman2020]

Typical heartless minions of evil! I'm so glad you dodged a grenade!

[@PokemonRules333]

Really shows what the elders and governing body really thinks they don’t care if someone dies all they care about is people falling in line and being their obedient slaves even at the expense of other people’s lives also really shows something when the jws claim they teach good values and morals can’t be bothered to pay bills

[@MrChinchilla_hn]

It is a glad sensation of brotherhood when you find a faith peer out, then share the desappointment moment and the process that takes you out. That happened to me too.

[@Sharkor.2023]

If I can give one credit. And believe me, aside from public speaking, I can only think of one, it is the acceptance of everyone regardless of race. That was a gift I was raised with and is the only thing from the JW that I will pass down to my son.

[@derekholiday6576]

Very brilliantly said every point was on point , God had something for the both of you to do ... You guys are one of the few that come out of that cult .... my grandmother and uncle died in that cult there is no second chance for them..... but you guys are waking up others one video @ a time thank you!

[@chevyjerry2507]

Filth love you man I'm with you

[@darrengreen9273]

It is the good ole boys club

[@GG-kv8vv]

Yaaaaay

[@clarity2478]

Wow from Canada! Thank you both for this interview! Joseph your sincerity and strength come beaming through all of this. Congratulations for getting out ... many never do. Looking forward to seeing you and your family back in the real world.

[@lovelive2216]

Wow!!! This interview is so powerful to me. I’m sure many people can relate to this experience. The Australia Royal Commission is what made me never want to go back to the cult. That was big eye opener for me. I’m so grateful for the Ex-JW community. I don’t feel alone anymore 💜 thank you for this amazing video 🙂

[@mattmatthewmatchuu]

Its funny how we find confirmation bias and thank jehovah for everything we did ourselves

[@l6E66A6h]

So much wasted talent among the young people and young adults. Such a shame.

[@freethinkingjimenez5598]

LE Sanders is very sad 😢...

[@kayb6803]

Absolutely. A waste of the gifts God gave them.

[@michaelnaz6457]

Maybe you need to clarify the waisted talent comment. Because being a JW is a waist of talent.

[@Rabittibazaar]

You're saying it's waste to have some of the best training to speak to people all around the world????? Yes, the org is rotten, but those who come out are some of the most aware people equipped to use their talents of loving any race and culture of people. When you leave, YOU HAVE REAL LOVE. Better to have a positive attitude and appreciate the experience I had when I was in and use it to help others come out. Helping people is never a waste. It's silly to pity. At the end of the say, ex-jws KNOW HOW TO TALK TO PEOPLE. Most valuable quality on earth.

[@michaelnaz6457]

@@Rabittibazaar All though what your saying is A truth it's still bias. The organization teaches their members to be judgemental and have a since of superiority over other groups The organization is based on lies, teaches false and half truths. While attempting to discredit other groups and belifes. While never truely addressing it's own contradiction and falicies. It's a very sheltered system of "aboundant knowledge". And much of what they teach is not originated or discovered by the organization at all. Much of their teaching comes from a spin off of knowledge through peer reviewed science, achiologist, ancient linguistics and historians.

[@blackfoot7925]

I had committed a disfellowshipping offence and thought it best to approach the elders to help me resolve the issue, as we are encouraged to do. During the meeting with the two elders I was told this, that the body of elders are " spiritual policemen " Up until that moment my thinking was of the wondering sheep who got lost and that the shepherd had left the flock and went to great lengths to find the one who was lost and return it to the flock, I wasn't prepared for the shepherd to have a rifle in his hand. For the next nine years I was PIMO, the " spiritual policeman " was also the congregation overseer who wanted nothing to do with me after that.I finally had enough after a brother who had left the " truth " took his own life. Unknown to me and as I learned later he initially and desperately wanted help from the elders. Unfortunately the elders are not equipped or qualified to deal with severe depression and emotional trauma as a result of JW policy. Thankfully we as exJW's have channels like this and many others around the world who tell their stories and lend their support. We are not apostates. We are loving, caring and empathetic - intolerant of injustice wherever we find it. We've evolved.

[@wjsjallday]

BWOY!! You keep me waiting like my dad about to pick me up. ATLEAST you’re not a deadbeat!!

[@lovelymonica7363]

Loving the 9ers Jersey!!!

[@matilda4406]

22:15 Joseph says "it was all about people" for him. Yeah, for him. For most of us. But not for Watchtower. For WT its all about money and control, its hallmarks, distinctly narcissistic.

[@matilda4406]

Hi Fifth! I'm sorry we didn't meet you in Australia, hope you are doing well. Great interview, very natural.

[@leetrippii1830]

Great interview..and fifth you remind me of Keith Murray the rapper..hip hop need your style..much success king

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

Happy New Year Fifth and Joseph J! May your future keep getting brighter and brighter!

[@brendasantana4610]

It resonated with me so much about people suffering to stay within the JW society. I was raised a JW and my mother was a single mother and my brother and I were always treated as second rate citizens because there was no father in our home. My brother and I woke up from this nightmare cult in our teens and my mother was made to feel responsible for our leaving until she passed away in 2010.... We suffered financially and emotionally to the point that my brother suffers to an extent of PTSD from the bullying he went through at the hands of elder's children in the congregation. I would never, ever raise a child of mine in that cult. It's so sad that so many really great and loving people are so brainwashed that they won't listen to any thing negative said about their religion. I personally was always defiant and I would read and research the things they tried to teach me from the time I was around 9 years old and I was able to see how very false they were, but my poor mother never got out of it and lived trying to be worthy of the ideals they set for her. I applaud you and others that have become activists because you are able to speak out and perhaps help others that want to get out or stop those that are starting to study to realize just what this organization can do. Thank you.

[@bernadettekelly2772]

Even though this Organisation has lied, cheated, and controlled !! Jehovah is still very much alive! and , his loving son Christ Jesus . Jehovah allows a deluding influence to go to them ,and they will be Judged! Remember JEHOVAH is looking for people to worship him with spirit and truth !! Never stop loving him.and his son Christ Jesus .

[@thinkingman2020]

Bingo! www.blogger.com/profile/13281232149590681155

[@amazingbibleantiquities7221]

What amazes me is how the Watchtower leadership acts so much like the ancient Samaritans: they lie about everything and have the nerve to tamper with God's written word. They lie about Russell, dates, events, expectations, policies--they even lie about Christian churches (in order to poison the well). Lying for Jehovah, left, right and center; I just don't get it! 😣😣😣😣😣

[@timstort8223]

Loved hearing the process, great flow to the story

[@s.sflower]

Great interview!!! How interesting. God bless you both.

[@sollasollew3208]

Really enjoyed this interview

[@steann1]

A great fly on the wall interview... straight from the heart. It was good to hear it all come out... I felt better after going on his ride.. I guess we all have it still boiling inside somewhere.

[@andymackey]

😁 👍

[@clarkgrayhame1250]

Very nice interview, I rather enjoyed it. You both are still young and it's good to see. So many of us have been through it most of our lives. I've been PIMO for over 10 years now and it's tough to be able to let go. Especially so when your family has been in as long as mine. Keep doing what you're doing. It makes a difference for some people. Thanks for sharing.

[@anthonymalfino1]

He speaks truth all day long man. What awesome human being. God fucking damn

[@ManuelGonzalez-nx3sv]

Excellent job!!

[@Irishcowboy1914]

Would love to share my story sometime. Born and raised one. It's an interesting story. Haven't really ever talked about it much. It's time tho now I believe I can now truly talk about it.

[@alyssawoodman]

Thank you for doing these interviews. I use them as therapy. I also use them as podcasts to get through my boring work day :D

[@minimalchill]

Grateful for you’re work. I am not a JW myself but I’ve been drawn to understanding what happens in these religious cults (I was raised Christian and found it to be quite cult like in many ways. I believe all religions are cult like, to me you can not command HOW a person experiences spirituality or their faith. You can share what you’ve found and how you found it, but it stops and ends there. Faith/Spirituality is FAAAR from a one size fits all experience), especially with the survivors. I try to understand all sorts of people with all sorts of experiences so that I can be of the most service of them & support to them. That being said I just found out my sister-in-law is a ExJW survivor. I had no idea. And it explains SO much. I just want to hug her now.

[@PokemonRules333]

Iam a worldly woman and am heavily critical of the organization especially as a woman why would I want to be apart of something that would treat me as inferior because of the gender i was born with and still identify as?

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

Good job both of you.

[@elmerkauntry.7582]

Cliff, gracias por este vidio tan emotivo, el testimonio de Joseph, representa a miles de ex testigos, que hemos Estado engañados, por estos gobernantes, que robaron nuestra fe, para sus INTERESES . Gracias por poner la opción de subtítulos en Español. Somos muchos activistas de habla hispana que denunciamos estas mismas CAUSAS de ésta FALSA, que es la Jwachtower . Un saludo Cliff , desde Madrid, ESPAÑA.

[@eliaszuniga3385]

Thank you gentlemen! Chipping away at the tower, one person at a time!

[@vincenzodamelio4113]

Well done Joseph from Italy

[@bernadettekelly2772]

Very good interviewer , very very patient and a excellent listener !!

[@Jamil_Sr.]

I never did that love bomb stuff. I seen someone new I still considered them worldly. My mindset was jacked up.

[@jokich6379]

Amazing how fragile and susceptible the human mind is to latch onto a contrived reality that shapes your behavior and thinking. Not all, of course, is bad or damaging. But the belief that an Almighty God is backing this organization with holy spirit can be toxic. I pioneered also . How did you overcome the feeling or belief that God was backing and supporting the direction you took as well as pioneering?

[@janicemorton7581]

what a coool combo! 2 amazing guys. God bless you both! xx

[@freethinkingjimenez5598]

Finally!!!!

[@jrrose6689]

Thank you for this interesting conversation!

[@Simone69214]

Brilliant interview Fifth. Well covered topics guys.

[@riseupnow7037]

The lies from jJackson under oath was the last straw for me as well! I did what you did. Rewound to make sure of what I heard... ”did I really just hear that”? And the disfellowshipping he didn’t know about. Not his department? Really? Not mine either but I knew the answer! Yes, a very big slap in the face! Hypocrisy at its finest!

[@darrengreen9273]

Shepard the flock book, more like the secret society book. Ex jw MS. And full pioneer.

[@bernadettekelly2772]

Joseph you are a real character , well done !

[@nicoleghaffari-r1clovis62]

Great video!!! so relatable very very cool conversation!

[@terryannrose4582]

Fantastic interview. Joseph has such an adorable, bubbly personality. Thanks guys!!!!

[@lynnfulcher8865]

..... Ps it’s hard to be kind to these guys as they’re not nice to deal with - they cause depression etc etc because of their refusal to admit the way they behave is wrong - causes individuals to be suicidal so some have to decide not to pursue or get involved - bear that in mind before asking people to accommodate jw thinking as it’s not at all healthy to get involved sometimes x

[@tw8457]

This is awesome! Thank you!

[@latikavines9496]

My daughter died from SIDS 15 years ago and the aftermath is what caused me to leave "the truth."

[@clearlynotalways6476]

Any chance you have sickle cell or sickle cell trait? I know is random, but I have a theory

[@anthonymalfino1]

Excellent vid fifth. I learned about you from Lloyd Evan’s. To bad about him

[@cattflap1447]

Love your content, keep it coming :)

[@isabelazucenaortega9974]

Hola Fifht!!!! Que lindo verte de nuevo, estoy apenada por lo de Montana, que bueno que Joseph despertó y salió de esa secta malvada que apoya a pederastas.

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

Wow! I would love to one day, to meet an ex JW from my former Congregation. I envy your experience guys. 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿

[@dr.richmann4477]

53:29 mark. And how long were you a JW before you learned Watchtower teaches Jesus is NOT your mediator? It took me 40 years before I discovered it. After that...I'm done!!!

[@lady6164]

I've seen a lot of videos about that. In my research they are right but he isn't their mediator either. I won't get into it here but it's very interesting how they change things but on this they won't budge. 🤷🏾