Interview with Ian Brady’s former Psychiatrist Professor Jeremy Coid | Uncut

Professor Jeremy Coid first met Moors Murderer Ian Brady at Ashworth High Security Psychiatric Hospital in Merseyside on Saturday 1st March 2003. They had mulitple conversations about life, crime and the Moors Murders case.
For the 2018 documentary film 'Ian Brady: From Method to Madness', award-winning filmmaker Thomas Gardner traveled to London where he was granted an interview with Professor Coid to speak about Brady at length.
At the time the interview was conducted, the Moors Murders case was a big talking point in the British media as Ian Brady had only just died of natural causes.
Cinematography - Matthew Chadbourne
Directed by - Thomas Gardner

[@tomdgardner96]

I have planned a video to discuss my letters with Ian Brady, albeit the 2 I have. I will film and release it when we hit 1000 subscribers as a big thank you to those who are showing interest in my content and showing the love. I very much appreciate it! 😊 At the end of the video, I can answer 5 random questions any of you have about either my experience shooting the Ian Brady documentary or my time with Professor Coid. What would you like to know?

[@muradtalukdar4401]

Did you experience any of that 'counter-transference' type of phenomena that Dr Coid expressed. Strictly speaking it only applies within a therapeutic alliance setting but I wonder if documentarians go through a similar process with subjects. Especially dangerous ones.

[@ralph-o3y]

what is his opinion on bradys book banned in the uk

[@shonabeggs4640]

​@user-fu6fj6uw6j I never knew he wrote a book. Thanks for info.

[@alcamus1973]

@@ralph-o3y Brady has written a book that is banned in the uk ?? what were the grounds for this...

[@pies9393]

Did Professor Coid name any of the killers he treated who he stated ‘have committed perhaps even worse crimes’? Thank you for the absolutely fascinating upload. My gut feeling is that Professor Coid may have had Robert Napper as a patient.

[@kathyaggiss9006]

How refreshing listening to a highly intelligent man speaking without any sensationalism even though it’s such a macabre subject.

[@terryyakamoto3488]

He's clearly very professional and focused on his role, but occasionally through the interview, you can see expressions on his face that belie the personal disgust he had for Brady.

[@MissSpiritual.Soldier]

How can he say he’s had a client who’s committed worse murders than Brady, they maybe horrific in a different way, but not worse! These murders are up the top in the worse ever crimes, they bring chills to my spine and an erie darkness when I even hear bradys or Myra’s name or the “moors murders” ☠️

[@MissSpiritual.Soldier]

Brady playing his mind games and giving snippets of “controlled” information reminds me of when an exorcist is communicating with a demon….. he was a demon in human form…. ☠️

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

​@@MissSpiritual.Soldierthis is why I don't believe he was ever psychotic, psychopathic and sadistic yes, but not psychotic. He was always in control, he knew what he was doing.

[@gowdsake7103]

Really ? hmm

[@phillipecook3227]

Thank you for not adding music to this.

[@BennyTheBusker]

@phillipecook3227: I totally agree! As a musician, especially, I cannot watch many KZbin videos because the added music is too distracting and often creates inappropriate or irrelevant emotions. Very often, so-called "background music" actually drowns out the dialogue. On such a serious, sensitive and thought-provoking subject as this, I was extremely grateful that no music was included. This is one of the best interviews I have ever heard.

[@tomdgardner96]

@BennyTheBusker much appreciated! Thank you!

[@thomasgray5406]

​@BennyTheBusker I utterly agree. The irritating trend of overbearing mood music in non fiction TV type media, including news bulletins, irks me so much; as though serious, non fiction matters should be blurred with drama productions.

[@davepowell7168]

🤣 l can't think of anything more surreal bearing in mind the subject

[@msdecleir6389]

Only in America, lol.

[@12roostboost34]

I worked prison landings for many years. There were occasionally some prisoners that stood out from the rest as literally making your skin crawl. Call it officer intuition, I don’t know, but recently I met a man in public that was trying to make a good impression on me but gave me that very same feeling. There are just some humans that exude a sinister presence.

[@peterperigoe9231]

I agree with you, however your exposure to such persons is way more marked then mine, you were dealing with convicted criminals, I worked as a barman for many years (selling an intoxicant) You developed skills whereas when a stranger walked in, if you instinctively had doubts or a bad feeling about such a person quite often you were right.

[@jillspence7227]

Psycopaths are common, and in fact very few of them ever commit horrible crimes or even any crimes. It is a mental state, with degrees like most mental states.

[@CT-pv9gu]

@@12roostboost34 there’s hundreds of people that aren’t in prison that have that effect on us. Psychopaths are everywhere, not all of them are criminals

[@williamlane7160]

It's known as bad vibes, animals can also sense bad vibes from people.

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

I wanted a wood burner fitting, and a local fitter came around. He made my skin crawl, there was a coldness and arrogance that was unpleasant. Generally I also get bad vibes from public school types, they are often aloof and arrogant, and show no emotion. Interestingly there was an ice hockey goalie who I disliked. Turns out he was a convicted pea-doh-file using a false name. Another ice hockey player and goalie was very unpleasant to me, really nasty. We discovered he was also a convicted pea-doh-file who had served 4 1/2 years. I don’t ignore gut feeling, it’s your subconscious telling you something is not right.

[@MB-fr3ow]

Great interview. I could have watched this man speak all day, articulate and intelligent as he is.

[@gowdsake7103]

In what way

[@robertcudlipp3426]

@@MB-fr3ow Exceptionally incisive interview. A very impressive clinical operator in an area that, naturally, does not attract large numbers of talented individuals, not difficult to understand why.

[@tomdgardner96]

I would just like to say a big thank you to everyone who has watched this video. In the last few days, it has been incredibly popular on my channel and your support is immense. For some context, this interview was for a documentary I did, so the questions were generally specific to the premise of the documentary - however, I would have asked more if I had more time with Mr. Coid as we were on a tight schedule. I am looking to do a video about my letters to Ian Brady and if that is something you guys are interested in seeing please give this comment a like and tell me what you’d like to know in that video and I’ll try my best to accommodate as much as I can! Thank you once again!

[@outlawJosieFox]

Let's see what you got. This interview was fascinating. Thank you for sharing.

[@thekitowl]

KZbin suggested another moors murder program which led me to this video. Very interesting stuff.

[@cvbaxter]

@@tomdgardner96 Hi Tom, do you think that the harrowing tape of little Lesley Ann Downey has been heard by the general public like some people have stated amongst your comments?

[@franke2532]

I dont get why brady could not bring himself to open the letters by winnie johnson because his body was unfound, can you expand on that considering brady was tootally unempathetic?

[@Zoe-dr5ps]

I'd be extremely interested in that.

[@stephenholmes1036]

A proper interview with a real expert. No pretense. Just facts . Thank you

[@gowdsake7103]

What facts ?

[@stephenholmes1036]

The facts as he states above Brady.

[@bartlettbigx]

I like that he keeps his cookery books next to Handbook of Antisocial Behavior and Handbook of Pyschopathy

[@Russ442100]

I noticed that 'Cooking for friends.' I'm just glad he didn't say 'I'm having an old friend for dinner.'

[@Susan-nm3sx]

@@Russ442100😂😂😂 I don’t even know what fava beans are, but I’m not having any if invited! 😂

[@jackieboy3968]

​@@Susan-nm3sxIt's the kidney beans I'd be more worried about

[@angelapowell2366]

Don't forget the bank statements, excellent interview 👏

[@elaine58100]

Me too. I always look at bookshelves in the background of interviews. It tells a bit of the person what they read etc

[@opinionday0079]

So nice to see a very fascinating interview without all the sensationalism and music that we now have on almost every video about this type of subject

[@ladystardust2008]

Incredible professionalism. What an unusual man Professor Coid is. Such intellect is rare and we should cherish this as an antidote to the feral witch hunting hysteria of the tabloids and the people who read them. Thanks for this.

[@jonnawyatt]

Plenty of intellect, depends where you look.

[@rmoalxa]

Sitting watching this on night-shift (mental health nurse), very interesting. I spent some time as a student working in a medium secure forensic ward and also worked briefly in a prison. The human condition is endlessly fascinating.

[@susanhemion2981]

I was a psychiatrist hospitalist four 4 years. I had only one incident where I met a young man who literally made my skin crawl. I felt pure evil radiating from him. I have been in psychiatric nursing for over 40 years and have a pretty good intuition about people. He was able to manipulate his way out of the hospital. Even though he told me he had fantasies about murdering and torturing people.

[@robertcudlipp3426]

@@susanhemion2981 Did this individual have any criminal convictions or charges he may have successfully defended at trial.

[@stephenholmes1036]

My daughter is also a mental heath nurse and found this film useful

[@robertcudlipp3426]

@@susanhemion2981 Were your views not articulated to the Parole Board,or the entity responsible for his release? Equally importantly, did he reoffend ?

[@susanhemion2981]

@@robertcudlipp3426 this was at a private hospital. He was sent to the VA hospital in Sheridan WY. I made my views clear but the powers that be said he was playing me.

[@audbod4140]

I lived 18 years with what i believe was a psychopath. The description of Brady at the end re: lack of humanity etc. I identify with the 'lack of' feeling, a void, a robot. Was like living with a cardboard cut out of a partner....until he made a move and left me shocked on many many occasions. Fantastic interview. Thank you.

[@thevoodoobook]

This actually is a really good English-exercise. Prof. Coid is so well spoken.

[@dannytoots6635]

Almost as though he has a doctorate

[@TB-us7el]

@@dannytoots6635 Do I detect a touch of sarcasm. A doctorate, in and of itself, would not necessarily make someone well spoken. Why be sarcastic to someone who likely isn't a native English speaker?

[@wilsonflood4393]

Many years ago in a bookshop I found a book about the moors murderers that contained transcripts of the tapes. I felt total revulsion and had to put the book back after reading only a few lines. Very upsetting.

[@Robin838]

I did the same thing a few years ago. It was truly shocking. I don't think they are allowed to publish such books these days.

[@lizzysimner7715]

That poor child on that tape I think hearing that would send me over the edge rather not know

[@marychristmas4911]

I believe the tape of poor Lesley was destroyed after the trial.

[@SteveStevens-sp7ly]

i feel sorry for you having found so much evil in a simple book shop..

[@mt.shasta6097]

​@@Robin838 I have many books on the evil pair dating from Emlyn Williams' wonderful 1968 "Beyond Belief." It was helpful in my University's abnormal psychology classes. I never got over despising that pair, and have every book published on them. Yes, books with the transcripts of Lesley's pathetic pleas are sold today, because the world must never forget what two savages did to helpless children. Be glad we've never had to listen to those tapes.

[@Zoe-dr5ps]

What an interesting interview with such an intelligent man. Excellent questions from the interviewer too. Honestly I could have watched hours of this.

[@tomdgardner96]

Thank you for your kind words, Zoe. It was an absolute pleasure interviewing Jeremy in London and we had a great discussion both on and off camera too!

[@Naturalselector405]

😮😅 3:13 3:14 3:14 3:14 3:14

[@apollonia6656]

@NatureSelector405, You mean you need H..e..l..p ! 😂

[@Diamondsparkle788]

Male behaviour is different to women. Brady dominated Myra.

[@stephenholmes1036]

My daughter is a mental health nurse and said this is professionally very interesting to listen too.

[@CT-pv9gu]

I’ve had gut feelings around certain people before and it isn’t nice. You get an aura around some people and the only thing you can do is get away from them as quickly as you can.

[@Veronica705]

Always trust your gut, never doubt it. It's always right.

[@jonimestas9692]

The demons among us. Yes. JESUS CHRIST is my Lord and Savior. Best!

[@CT-pv9gu]

@@jonimestas9692 LOL!

[@VersusArdua]

​@@jonimestas9692Best Jesus 🎉

[@HollyJordan15]

Exactly feelings as information.

[@gwenniemay2304]

I am not a watcher of true crime and have little interest in serial killers but the professors face looked so kind I was drawn in. What a wonderful honest account. No nonsense, no conjecture just an honest account. Great interview. Feeling a bit yuk now though after listening. That’s me and serial killers for another 40 or so years. Done. 😕

[@faebrowne2537]

Fascinating interview that handles the despicable subject matter without sensationalism.

[@Gizgirl70]

I am really glad that the COOKING FOR FRIENDS book on the shelf is by Raymond Blanc and not Hannibal Lecter.

[@joolz-hearall1p126]

@@Gizgirl70 tell me about it - imagine eating liver with beans!!

[@esosun7893]

🤣🤣

[@FoobsTon]

​@@joolz-hearall1p126 I dunno, would be ok if accompanied with a nice chanti....

[@joolz-hearall1p126]

@@FoobsTon nah, m8! Now make it a nice bit of rump steak, braised with a dab of Browning and a dash of lemon juice... ... Mind you, the census taker would need a funny- shaped cushion for the rest of his life to avoid having to sit lopsided!

[@fay-amieaspen6046]

I was thinking the same ha ha

[@DuncanStewart-jz3bp]

Brilliant interview from a former colleague. Thanks for uploading the full version.

[@stephenholmes1036]

Well said my daughter a mental health nurse thought this a professionally very interesting and useful to mental health profession.

[@giovanna722]

A colleague? Where?

[@lesleyhubble2976]

I like the way the psychiatrist laughed nervously and looked a tad embarrassed when he said he didn’t like it when Brady was grandiose,thinking he was more intelligent than the doctor. Shows he has and is aware of his own emotions and what annoys him

[@giovanna722]

I found him very engaging. He has fine eyes.

[@lesleyhubble2976]

@@giovanna722 yes you can tell he’s really thinking deep,almost looking in,round and through the question, but that’s what he is trained to do. I think he has eyes colour similar to Martin kemp the actor/ musician 😀

[@Gooders478]

Doctors have an average IQ of 120. 1 in 10 have that IQ, it's mainly bigged up by themselves, I know because I have to work with the dick heads.

[@elaine58100]

He reminded me a bit of Antony Hopkins.

[@giovanna722]

​@@lesleyhubble2976"thinking deep, almost looking in, round, and through the question". Describes him very well.

[@grahamwatts8836]

Excellent clear and critical analysis of very dangerously sick people, brilliant professional man.

[@StuartHanson-fo7iw]

I’m so glad he said it how it is, sadism, a talented dignified professional,well done🇬🇧

[@Ifiwantedtoknowidhaveasked]

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[@suzp2265]

Very interesting that he believes Brady to have been 'born bad' and that he felt a great dislike for him, that's very honest. I'm so glad neither of them were released, Life without parole should be the sentence in many more cases.

[@outlawJosieFox]

​@donnae9566 interesting. The older I get the more I see of my mother in me, in spite of not having seen too much of the woman.

[@maymalone1505]

​@donnae9566 that is true, but if a person or the professionals like this man,can get these childern at young age and give them a very special training and keep an eye on them all their life,we are after ruled by thes type of people, they should never be in position of power over others, we are all being brought up in a very wrong system, the question is why.

[@secretwatcher9922]

​​@@maymalone1505Completely agree with you May & like you I definitely think our civilizations are being directed towards this type of behaviour. The more time goes on the more uncaring & sadistic human kind is becoming & it's being openly excepted as well as being quietly encouraged in the background. There is definitely a reason behind this from higher up & what is being allowed & encouraged.

[@dunker982]

@@outlawJosieFox with respect. How can you know you were like her then ?

[@outlawJosieFox]

@dunker982 Body type, mannerisms etc. I did live with her for a while.

[@whywhywhy9659]

I enjoyed him slapping down the idea of Brady having PTSD

[@rachaelghostcat8584]

What insight into a murderer, just shows you that Brady was a complete monster and so was Hindley. I just hope one day they find Keith so that finally he can be laid to rest with his mother. RIP Keith! x

[@rogreen2181]

Oh my god I don’t even know where to begin with you I love Ian

[@michaelmcmillan6506]

@@rogreen2181 seriously, stop. do not mention god with your words, or love, you are beneath us, and i will waste no more words on you. I hope they find Keith too Rachael, god be with him, and us all.

[@kdlofty]

@@michaelmcmillan6506 What kind of "God" would allow that to happen to those poor defenceless children?

[@michaelmcmillan9704]

It was not god that did this , Evil is the absence of God , not the definition of God , those poor children were made by God and loved by him, do not mistake or be fooled to think the actions of the wicked ever define him or them, the good pray for the hurt and the injured and the lost , pray for them with God for the shepherd always guards even those predated , the holy spirit was there to comfort the families and friends even if we cannot understand why free will allowed such terror, they never were alone and if we pray together we can build a better world, that is what we must stand by

[@kdlofty]

@@michaelmcmillan9704 Made by God, loved by him, but this God is all powerful, all knowing, these children probably prayed to this God, he allowed then to have their lives destroyed and did nothing to stop it. This leads to two possibilities, either your God is a sick twisted psychopathic megalomaniac, or he doesn't exist.

[@andreaclarke4955]

Professor Jeremy Coid brought by Thomas Gardner, thank you both for this educated insight, confirmation of assessment of dangerous personalities that appear in ordinary society psychopathic characteristics within our communities, comments here are most appreciated for those of us coming to terms with trauma as a result of being preyed upon by the above sadistic humans, I pray God's blessings for you and your families ❤❤

[@MoonSpinners]

I love how he’s got a book on antisocial behaviour near a “cooking for friends” book 😂

[@Blissblizzard]

Is this the old Simpsons joke?

[@streaming5332]

Well spotted!

[@hawkeize]

What an intelligent and eloquent interview, fascinating 🧐

[@merson812]

I could listen to professor Coid all day.

[@BuddhaofBlackpool]

Why

[@DarcyDigs]

One of the most fascinating and insightful assessments of Brady I have ever encountered in book or film over the many years I have studied him. Thank you!

[@SuperBartles]

Do you mind me asking. Why have you studied him? I once mentioned Brady and Hindley to my (somewhat crazy, tbh) father. His reply "it doesn't bear thinking about". Anyway this is the first & perhaps the last time I'll spend any time studying those events. I was interested as much in the psychiatrist as anything else - because I generally don't have huge respect for psychiatry as a science. I wanted to see what he said

[@DarcyDigs]

@@SuperBartles Not at all; that's a perfectly legitimate question and I also respect your father's opinion on the matter. I studied Brady because I have a lifelong interest in crime and deviant psychology and went on to read law and specialise in criminal law. While I practice other areas of the law today I remain ever interested in extreme behaviour and what makes some people intercept societal norms and cross certain barriers. Brady is a chilling reminder of the complexities of the human mind and the depths of depravity it can reach. I find that infinitely fascinating as a student of the human condition.

[@cassandra3862]

What an interesting man. Great interview.

[@rocknrolldoll5219]

Loved this interview: interesting, captivating, honest and straight to the point. I agree, I could have watched for longer. Fantastic-great job.

[@tsuchan]

When this video came up I my feed, I hesitated before clicking it; but I'm glad I did... Interesting questions and fascinating answers. Thanks to you both.

[@pcka12]

This reminds me of my mum's accounts of being the army driver assigned to the British psychiatrist who attended Rudolf Hess when he was first imprisoned after capture, on the way home he used to tell my mum about the insights which he had gained about Hitler's deputy.

[@esseel7896]

Hess wasnt a psychopath. he was a pawn in politics. my friends aunt was one of those assigned to him for many years while incarcerated, i knew her well and twisted her ear for years for stories.

[@jonnawyatt]

​@@karenreynolds7153 Having a karen moment?

[@Blissblizzard]

@@karenreynolds7153 I feel the same about Psychology, ironically the only person exploring this currently, ongoing at a both Popularist and Academic levels is a Professor who is himself an open Malignant Narcissist, and so mixes stunning insight, in with supremely skillful manipulations, oops! As he has decades of recordings online ,and papers, all this can be analysed at any level. The medicalised labels for what l would casually term "society damaging habitual life choices" are accepted now as lacking (DSM). (Apart from schizophrenia and other possibly metabolic conditions and so on) Personally as l navigate life l find it much more useful to use verbs not nouns, and stick with dealing with the behaviours l see in the moment, (which includes masking), and unapologetically using avoidance. As l get more skilled at this, life is so much straightforward. If you have time, what do you see?

[@padrai9398]

​​​​ although I identify strongly, with your comment it could be argued that doctors are also subject to pseudoscience e.g. prescribed Thalidomide for morning sickness in the past & often misdiagnose or, over/underperscribe - there is no 'perfect science' in practice - it's a methodology, not a practice. Both medicine & psychiatric disciplines are not exact, science.

[@Gooders478]

@@karenreynolds7153 Agreed. You don't need a PHD to ascertain that Brady was a grandiose sadist.

[@shellyseymore6249]

Absolutely brilliant! The questions you asked were so good, I can't think of one that I wouldn't have wanted to ask myself. Thanks for sharing this 👌🏼

[@gripplehound]

A psychiatrist with no ego. How refreshing. Great interview.

[@howareyou857]

He admits to his ego and takes it into his professional consideration

[@giovanna722]

​@@howareyou857Yes. Everybody has an ego, but not all wear it well.

[@neilaspin008]

I studied Applied Psychology at LJMU and we had a guest lecture by one of Brady's Doctors from Ashworth Hospital (can't rember the chaps name - would have been about 1992 / 1993) and we weren't allowed to record the lecture on dictaphones or anything like that. The guy said that Brady was one of the mostly mentally unwell people that he had ever treated.

[@gowdsake7103]

Ummm treated ? or making a fortune from waffle ?

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

So many people in the comments saying they or a family member met him yet, none of you say exactly what???

[@outoforbit00]

Yes I suppose, but evil and insanity were used interchangeably back then. Insane people sooner or later spill the beans. Brady was evil, and accumulating evil doings, eventually makes the person insane anyway, but the person who started as evil when they become insane won't spill the beans. So the interchange of the terms is more accurate.

[@Niala8419]

​@@BruceLee-fd7uwyou claim to be Bruce Lee 😂

[@DK-cy5mt]

​@@gowdsake7103Ćuti, nemaš pojma

[@em6577]

I heard a clip of lesley pleading for her mum many years ago on a documentary on tv. It still haunts me

[@crose7412]

@em6577 As far as I know, the tape has never been played publicly since the trial so you perhaps heard a recreation.

[@cvbaxter]

I don't think it's ever been heard by the public. A transcription of the tape has been shown online, however.

[@maryrose4712]

@@crose7412 I heard the same tape and I'm sure the tape was genuine.

[@tal4546]

I did too

[@MillieonaVespa]

I heard it too many years ago ..

[@stanscully9198]

A Belated Comment , It Was Wonderful To Listen To Professor Coid , And A Great Comfort Knowing He’s More Than A Match For Ian Brady And Others Like Him. Prof Coid Seems So Humble , Which I Suspect Makes Him More Effective In Understanding The Criminal Mind. Not Having An Inflated Ego Getting In The Way. 04.08.2024. Dublin.

[@inkedbhudda85]

Loved the approach you took to this interview 👍 👏 👌

[@kdsgirly5573]

Makes you want to know more about the Professor. So interesting.

[@gdwlaw5549]

The problem is that these terrible people also exist in politics and business. The behaviour is the same but on a different playing ground

[@Fitness4London]

Donald Trump is a prime example.

[@hugolindum7728]

@@Fitness4London It is ridiculous to disparage political opponents with psychiatric illnesses.

[@deedee-tc4fh]

Jimmy Savile who visited No 10 many times and had numerous influential friends including the PM, Prince Phillip and Charles made Brady look like a Saint in comparrison was allowed to carry on his crimes until his death. He was also linked with Sutcliffe and was questioned by 'his Police buddies' after his RR was seen fleeing the site of one victim. The World is certainly run by Psychopaths and/or possibly alien entities that glamourise evil imo

[@gdwlaw5549]

@@hugolindum7728 seems like an excellent idea to me. Unless they come from Eton......

[@hugolindum7728]

@@gdwlaw5549 So there are 1300 pupils in Eton, who pass a vigorous entry exam, (and if poor don’t pay) - and for you this is somehow a class of people - who happen to be amongst the best educated in the country, who are somehow mentally ill?

[@nedthestaffieegan3452]

Really fascinating and compelling interview. It's a rare glimpse into the inner world and personal impressions, behind ones clinical judgement and professional expertise. It seems like Ian Brady is one of the most challenging patients any psychiatrist is likely to encounter, not just in terms of the gravity of his crimes, but the power dynamics that are testing the psyche to attempt to control and dominate. It takes a seriously psychologically strong individual with razor sharp instincts, knows their weak spots and vulnerabilities inside out, to be in control throughout.

[@geoffjoffy]

Fascinating interview. Thanks for posting.

[@PlanetWomble]

I found it Interesting the negative feeling he sensed.

[@geofsmith393]

My father gave me the book Beyond Belief by Emlyn Williams when I was 13 (1973) It changed my life… I don’t regret reading it and have re-read it more than once.

[@christineduffy3113]

I also read that book years ago The people who wanted them released should read that book and they I think would have changed their minds

[@harrykeane9027]

Lord Longford was a useful idiot.

[@richardtierney7724]

In the 80's I met and became firm friends with an ex GMP CID Sargant who worked on the Moors Murders case. I sat with him as he told me all about his time on that case. He said he "befriended" Brady and they talked at length. He said he was aware that Brady loved to be in control and would talk about himself all the time. Mr friend said he would sit there for hours listening to him, without interruption, Brady loved that and had a lot of trust in him. They went back to the moors to "look for" the graves of his victims. He was smiling and said the Police would never find them ( the children ) It was the momentos he and Hindley they kept ( photographs ) that led them to several. By analysing the backgrounds in the photographs ( Hindley was photographed sat ontop of a slight mound of earth) when they found that site, they dug and found one of the children. He said he found Hindley to be pure evil, far worse than Brady. Spend many an hour totally enthralled with the stories from my ex CID friend. I was 15 at the time of the murders and I can remember my Mother telling me about the tape recording of the murder of the little girl. She said she cried all that day. I dont think tapes like that would ever be made public these days.

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

You told us nothing more than what is out there to read about anyway Like what was the point of this comment

[@jillspence7227]

I am not happy with his assertion that Hindley was 'far worse', because he is not a psychiatrist, and bias towards a woman who did this BECAUSE she is a woman and should not be capable of such things would be very common from most people. What they both did was appalling, disgusting etc. etc. but we do not need to hear the biased account of a Policeman or anyone else who is not a psychiatrist .

[@pobstrel]

​@@jillspence7227The psychiatrist who worked with both Hindley and Brady said that Brady was a certified psychopath and had other mental disorders, but that Hindley was completely sane. Even one of the relatives of one of their victims said that Hindley was worse. Because she chose to do it. Also Hindley held back info to try and get a shorter sentence.

[@dianemurray4826]

When I was a Met Police Officer back in the 70s i did a prison escort to Holloway Prison and got to know a young girl who was in and out of Holloway 24/7. Myra Hindly was in there at the time but we had no up to date photos of her in the public domain only the hard faced dyed blonde. The young girl told me Myra ran the Prison. She didnt look the same anymore. She was dark haired and was quiet and charming and had become a Christian again but that it was all an act to try and get out. and that she was in fact still evil and cruel and had a lot of the prison officers under her spell. Of course all this came out to be true later on including the description of her. .

[@dianemurray4826]

​@@BruceLee-fd7uwit was a comment get it? Not a new revelation. Buy a book. 😂

[@pies9393]

Really excellent interview, thanks so much for posting. Im curious as to why he wouldn't comment on the Winnie Johnson letters. I think what you're asking there is regarding something Ive wondered about regarding the case. When Brady was asked by Colin Wilson if he had any regret for the killings, he said "my regret is axiomatic and painfully, painfully deep". This is a very strange statement coming from a psychopath. It makes one think about the nature of psychopathy and if even psychopaths can experience regret concerning crimes of this magnitude of horror. This quote by the way can be found in Colin Wilson's introduction to Brady's book 'The Gates of Janus'.

[@am5790]

maybe his regret may not be the regret of a "normal" person....

[@therespectedlex9794]

@@am5790 Or a wrong, abnormal thing to regret.

[@pies9393]

@@am5790 Yes very true

[@KatMusic2009]

Did you mean axiomatic*? Possibly his regret was that he got caught, or his trying to involve David Smith?

[@pies9393]

​@@KatMusic2009 Yes, spelling error, thank you.

[@MichaelRoss]

Great interview. This just popped up in my feed. I hope the spike in views brings you many more subscribers, which you deserve.

[@honestmcgyver]

Interesting the Prof answered fairly succinctly and good job by interviewer to keep questions coming

[@ayjay749]

Fascinating - thank you for uploading this! I wish the full documentary were available to watch somewhere...?! I also bet Professor Coid could author a really interesting book of his experiences!

[@amandajohnson-williams7718]

Very interesting listening ... thank you both!! 👏👏👏 Respect to this Professor 💜

[@andy_mac]

Great interview btw. Thank you for posting.

[@StuartHanson-fo7iw]

Excellent interview 🇬🇧👍

[@McLoed22]

This is a really good, very interesting interview. I like how there is a lot more speaking from the person with the first hand experience of the matter.

[@cosmicmauve]

I could listen to this Professor speak all day. Very interesting interview, those were great questions.

[@elyjane8316]

What a fascinating interview.

[@nigeh5326]

Fascinating interview with a v professional psychiatrist, thank you. Shame it wasn’t longer and more in depth, but well done for getting the interview. Just subscribed 👍

[@scarletmontana7]

Brilliant interview

[@ElizaBlue-o1i]

Very interesting interview, not just in content but in seeing someone dealing with very difficult work in a completely professional and dispassionate manner. A couple of his more personal responses to / observations of the interaction with Brady confirmed things I've learned in my own work about the nature of individuals who commit these kinds of murders. Interesting to hear that coming from a forensic psychiatrist.

[@JJONNYREPP]

Interview with Ian Brady’s former Psychiatrist Professor Jeremy Coid | Uncut 0904am 23.7.24 control was the word i was waiting for him to utter. seems "control" is what all these folk seek - no matter who the subject matter is that's up for discussion... your initial description of the professorial chap could probably be applied to the murderer in question... which is ironic, is it not? as for raymond blanc's cooking for friends. i had to seek that out... maybe it's a cinematic in-joke? this guy's only engaging with this tiresome interview to garner replies like yours (and mine)... i'm about to switch off due to murder and mayhem not being my thing...

[@tomdgardner96]

@JJONNYREPP I can assure you there’s no in-joke. Everything in the background is Mr. Coids own property. We interviewed Mr. Coid as part of a documentary. I find it confusing that you watched an interview about a murderers psychiatrist when murder isn’t your thing.

[@nigeh5326]

@@JJONNYREPPlike many who have studied or simply enjoy reading a wide variety of topics he simply had a range of books on his bookshelf. I studied politics and history at university, but as well as a range of books on political ideologies and twentieth century history I also have books about cars, motorcycles, aircraft, football, celebrity autobiographies and animals on my bookshelves. I don’t watch crime and murder videos very much myself but this caught my eye as Brady and Hindley, like it or not, due to media interest for decades have been fascinating many of us. If Brady had committed his evil crimes alone I doubt we would have been so interested in him. But because of his partnership with Hindley they stood out. Then and now a couple carrying out such crimes was, and is, unusual. Hence why people take an interest and try to understand why they did it. As my mom used to say about some people and their actions whether good, bad or eccentric it takes all sorts.

[@janicehogg1841]

Was very interesting and having a severely autistic, learning disabled non verbal adult son it hit home when he described the egocentric personality. I've always felt if I collapsed in front of my son he'd step over me to get to the fridge. Has left me feeling very sad

[@northernlights8126]

@@janicehogg1841, that’s sad to hear.Hope things will get better.

[@stevecox7075]

A fascinating interview. Thank you.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

What a fascinating man and great interview.

[@Fred-rj3er]

At the time, the news played the tape of that poor little girl begging for her life. I only heard it played once. It is NEVER MENTIONED, and I don't think it was played again. I was only a child myself but I remember it so vividly and am certain I didn't imagine it. But it probably doesn't exist anymore, or any records of it Brady most certainly did torture his victims, mentally and physically. Only those alive at the time know what was reported.

[@lesleywilkie2848]

I share almost the same name and age of that poor little girl. It greatly affected me then and still does today.

[@thekitowl]

I only ever heard the tape once & that was years ago, a transcript of the tape exists.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

It most certainly does exist. It was played in court. The judge put a block on it ever being played publicly again although I think clips were in documentaries.

[@glenmorgan4597]

​@@lesleywilkie2848I'd not listen to it, be too upsetting 😢

[@juttapopp1869]

Anybody else a little spooked by a psychiatrist having "Cooking for friends" on his bookshelf? Now I need a spot of Chianti...

[@jeansmith3367]

Really interesting. I was very distracted by all of the books on the shelf - I'd love to read some of them!

[@JadeRavenwolf]

i was looking too . one of which my son wrote !! proud mum me

[@timbranton7950]

I recommend Raymond Blanc's Cooking for Friends. Some excellent recipes

[@zeddeka]

It's very interesting that Scotland, a country with a tiny population, produced so many serial killers in the 20th century. Apart from Brady there was Denis Nilsen, Peter Tobin, Robert Black, Angus Sinclair, Peter Manuel, Bible John and probably now Andrew Hunter. I suspect that in a lot of those cases, the brutal poverty and violence that was all too common back then in places like Glasgow were a major factor in pulling the trigger on what was probably already a loaded gun, genetically.

[@kailashpatel1706]

Interesting comment..A piece of research showed that the Netherlands tended to produce a lot of these kind of people post 1945?..Why?..The impact of the German occupation and the severe food shortages during it impacted alot of Dutch women's pregnancies depriving them of regular nutrition and thus affected the cerebral and emotional development of their babies..

[@nicknewman7848]

I remember reading somewhere that of the white, genetically 'western' or northern european descent serial killers that have been caught there is a massively disproportionate amount that have blue eyes. I don't know if that includes grey eyes too (which is the rarest colour). Brown is overwhelmingly the most common colour even in caucasian populations according to what I read so for 90% of them (or whatever the figure was) to have the same genetic mutation always seemed interesting to me. Do all the Scot's listed above share that similarity I wonder?

[@zeddeka]

@@nicknewman7848 just looking through photos of the killers, it seems they all had brown eyes apart from Robert Black. Of course, we don't actually know who Bible John was, so can't verify his eye colour.

[@TopCatsBack]

​@@zeddekaprobably Peter Tobin

[@michael-gs6kh]

I reckon it's the Haggis that's responsible

[@poshiesmom]

Extremely interesting interview - thankyou

[@Bobmudu35UK]

Great interview! What a shame Brady and Hindley missed out the death penalty.

[@lesleywilkie2848]

I like to think that the information gained about Brady and how his mind or brain worked will help identify any future killers before they start. One can only hope. He was continually observed, questioned, tested, and examined. Dead men don't talk.

[@denis888red]

Not really. He had an utterly miserable and tortured life.

[@thekitowl]

Thought they both tried to help find the graves, couldn’t have done that had they hung.

[@pamelacorbett8774]

He should have been put in solitary to enjoy his own company for the rest of his life.

[@Bobmudu35UK]

@@denis888red He was able to live,think about his crimes (and got a kick out of it) and because of segregation spend time with other sex offenders. His victims and their families live a miserable and tortured life.

[@user-fb3pu3qx3t]

Brilliant interview.

[@haroldclarke3267]

Fascinating and riveting, one of the best videos I've seen on KZbin, the professor was excellent in his explanation of Ian Brady.

[@tomdgardner96]

Thank you! That’s very much appreciated! 😊

[@barneybiggles]

What he said about Brady was spot on.

[@victoria180]

Great interview

[@westminsterwatcher5152]

Excellent interview!

[@apollonia6656]

Wonderful with no stuttering,no er,hem and "You knows"! Excellent. Why don't they have this psychiatrist on Documentaries instead of Wilson for examp!e.

[@gloriathompson4010]

Beautiful interview!

[@jellypianist]

Fascinating. Please do more.

[@CT-pv9gu]

Really scary stuff. It’s hard to imagine people like Brady existed. Having zero empathy is not a good way to live.

[@lakedistrict9450]

Netanyahu?

[@hajji1509]

They still exist

[@jonelson1983]

Fascinating man. Great vid.

[@johntate5722]

Fascinating. I think it intetestibg how the prof here is able to handle his feelings so well as to be able to say he wouldve liked more chances to study brady.

[@pamspencer5733]

Checks all the boxes for 1,calm ,meticulous, shallow affect,organized🎭

[@johntate5722]

Yes i agree

[@peaeater1]

I love how his books are all about psycho stuff, and then there's a Raymond Blanc 'Cooking for Friends' book snuck in there.

[@Glidingjackdaw]

It brought a wry smile to my face,as I imagined it being a facsimile of book shelves in Dr. Lecters study.

[@peaeater1]

@@Glidingjackdaw ...or Jeffrey Dahmer's. Hang on. His would simply be titled: Cooking Friends.

[@Glidingjackdaw]

@@peaeater1 ...😂

[@peaeater1]

@@totallybored5526 Practical Photography and Fred West. Great British Roads and Sutcliffe. The Great Escape and Theo Bundy...

[@Glidingjackdaw]

@totallybored5526 ...😂

[@debimills8110]

Really interesting listening to this medical professional about Ian Brady.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

Not all psychopaths are criminals.

[@fractalofgod6324]

Only because they haven't been caught yet.

[@joolz-hearall1p126]

@@fractalofgod6324 well not all of them commit crimes Criminal behaviour is not what distinguishes The psychopath. The lack of any conscience, remorse, empathy or any altruistic motive whatsoever are the criteria. It might be difficult to detect psychopathy from individual actions. It's their recurring actions that give them away - without necessarily straying outside the law.

[@robinburn4974]

Many self made millionaires are pschopaths

[@DeeLee-p8c]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@vernonpritchard3810]

My late husband was a policeman during this time, and had to listen to the tapes,it affected him beyond belief 😢

[@ammedredd]

I had partially forgotten that Brady was in fact dead. He and Hindley were convicted the year I was born (1966) and their story was always in the extreme background of my life as two particularly nasty murderers who were locked up somewhere, I'd heard he was dead,a nano seconds worth of response and I thought of it no more, my mind re settling as 'two particularly nasty murderers who were locked up somewhere'.

[@Stu-SB]

63 here, same as me, they were always in the back of my head somewhere.

[@mischalore6405]

great interview thank you I`ll now also enjoy perusing the Doctors bookcase behind him 😃

[@praxeologue]

I understand the urge to pathologise evil but I am reminded of Charles Baudelaire's line ' the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince us he doesnt exist'

[@roisinpatriciagaffney4087]

I agree with you. I'd call your feelings the effects of orginal sin, loss of santyfying grace. I'm Catholic, as you can probably tell by now. Ian Brady was possessed by the evil spirit.

[@normabarrell351]

He doesn’t. Evil people do though

[@soulthriver-oz6470]

​@@roisinpatriciagaffney4087Yes he was. As are most lifers in jail.

[@HollyJordan15]

The way he describes at 4.48 the way Brady gave him a negative feeling, is the use of feelings as information.

[@StuartHanson-fo7iw]

It’s a shame Ian didn’t go down south because if he’d met Dennis they might have bored each other to death with their endless monologues of run of the mill nonsense,🇬🇧

[@johnturner1073]

Listening to this, I realise I have worked with many psychopaths over the years...

[@margaretbinns3134]

Like everything else there’s levels of each condition , this was profound to the extreme .

[@jelkel25]

I have one colleague at the moment who I have serious suspicions of, lies like others breathe air, manipulative, superiority complex, unwarranted of course and doesn't have a care for anyone but themselves. A real energy vampire. What can you do but keep them away from you as much as possible and don't let on you know. They often over play their hand and do for themselves, just let things play out or failing that, move on myself.

[@ralph-o3y]

read the gates of janus brady was banned in the uk

[@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022]

Interesting point the psychiatrist makes about Brady having an almost autistic disorder about controlling and not being hardwired properly. These traits are the same with individuals like Robert napper too.

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

How much do you know about Autism? I'm autistic and beyond p****d off with the continuous comparison with psychopathy! It's f*****g insulting. As a person on the spectrum, I and every other I know suffer miserably with an inability to intuit nonverbal modes of communication, in addition to a plethora of sensory processing issues that can make a hot summer's day feel like being roasted on a pyre. I am not a people person at all, but that is the result of four and a half decades of adversity and cruelty. Sadistic psychopathic individuals don't demonstrate sensory processing problems, nor do they display deficits in reading other people. These are two very separate spectrums, they aren't remotely alike.

[@shonabeggs4640]

This was very interesting. Great questions from interviewer. It fascinates me how trained professionals can sit and listen to evidence and speak to the person who committed these acts and it not disturb them in the way it would joe public. Is it really hard to imagine the convicted can do it also? One is taken to be a healthy mind whilst the other is corrupted. How easy is it and what causes that corruption?

[@MrChubba10]

I'd like to have the Professor discuss more about the negative feeling Brady brought him, where the reaction comes from . Was it an ego reaction as in I'm a professional who has studied and am well respected in my field which is why I'm interviewing Brady who is acting as if in control of the situation and believes he knows more than me or was it a physical reaction as in some sort of a basic human instinct reaction to Brady being dangerous to his emotional well being as well as a physical threat. It must take a heavy amount of training and experience to be able to distance oneself from feelings as a human being in a situation like this .. to not make assumptions based on whatever knowledge you have of someone or even for what they are presenting like in front of you. It's absolutely fascinating.

[@maymalone1505]

There are some people who have that weird iratating vibration, they are empty emotional vampires, or little napoleon's 🤔 the reverse is also to be found in genuine empathetic people, u have to be sure that they are that, and nit very charming cunning phycopaths.

[@jillspence7227]

He was interviewed about Brady, not about himself, and I feel the fact he mentioned how negative he felt is explanation in itself. These days too many people interviewed on a subject tend to make it all about themselves.

[@Blissblizzard]

I have had that same visceral fear just watching someone on YT - not even being in their presence, so zero personal threat, happened twice now. Its pure force of will, a laser like focus on their goal, (not their admitted goal either, something hidden, dreadful), plus a stench of "uncanny valley" behind the forcefulness glibness and charm. And ... the terrible neediness and grovelling in the comments in their comment section, ought to weird anyone out, and yet it becomes a pile on. And yet, also, on the surface they're just goofy weirdos, more uncanny valley vibes...

[@MrChubba10]

@@jillspence7227 I was just interested that the Professor said 'could have been' rather than there was. That statement in itself shows I feel that the clinical analysis he gives on Brady could be flawed as the Professor himself is a person with flaws. Given that there are 3 individuals 'in the interview': the interviewer, the interviewee and the subject i.e. Brady. That's what I find fascinating and I would have liked for this to be included in the interview a little more because it's relevant to the full understanding of Brady, if that is indeed possible. Also it drives me mad when the interviewer asks a rhetorical question. The Professor didn't fall into that trap I noticed.

[@MrChubba10]

@@Blissblizzard I watched a programme once (can't remember the name of it) and in it they talked about gut reaction and how we still walk into a situation even though our 'gut' is telling us something is up. It happens before thought. I find that fascinating too. What makes us walk into the situation .. feeling silly if do and nothing happens that we thought it would? Who knows .. I only know that now I listen to my 'gut' a lot more about people .. oh and in the past my dogs .. a very placid and easy going labrador who once showed her teeth etc when someone came to the door to deliver something .. also happened to my spaniel who was tied up alongside me at a car boot sale. He went nuts at one particular person who came by. They both never did it before or after again. What do they know we dont?

[@-TimZambra]

Thank you, Professor Coid. You revealed a lot.

[@lizzysimner7715]

Extremely intellectual man how he dives into Ian Brady’s motives extremely complex indeed

[@123reivax123]

It must have been as fascinating to the professor as it is to anyone. Even more fascinating to his predecessors at the time of his trial and sentencing.

[@fisterklister]

A great psychiatrist - and a gentleman

[@edwardjones2202]

Thankd for the interview

[@sarahhale-pearson533]

A feeling of dislike towards a sadistic child murderer? How strange!

[@markpallister9882]

Prof. Coid is a perfect example of how a true Englishman speaks... Splendidly measured, yet thought provoking

[@DMR1010]

How does patient confidentiality fit in with this interview? I realise it was an assessment and not treatment but I’d have thought the principle would apply? I love that the comments focus on the professor and not the monster. 👌🏼

[@brhodes0]

Rule doesn’t apply after death.