Interview with Leeds United CEO Angus Kinnear

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Күн бұрын

Leeds United's Chief Executive joins us exclusively to chat about the last 12 months, the failings of last season, the sacking of Marcelo Bielsa, transfers, ticketing, kits and more.
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@BritishFreedom
@BritishFreedom 2 жыл бұрын
I's OK to criticise from time to time and I've done it myself, But all in all, the Radrizzani's reign in charge of Leeds has been a very good one so far.
@thewhitbyphotographer
@thewhitbyphotographer 2 жыл бұрын
Far better than anyone else in the previous 30 years.
@Harry-tj6th
@Harry-tj6th 2 жыл бұрын
@@thewhitbyphotographer 30 years? We won the leagie 30 years ago
@gavinwatson3896
@gavinwatson3896 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harry-tj6th clearly this is rejuvenating in the happening, just in the early stages, cards close to his chest in terms of transfers and also he’s playing a subconscious state of mind for the head start of the targets they/he have in mind - cards close to his chest! I like big time mainly coz I can will be patient with his physiological approach. F love it
@pinkfloyd870
@pinkfloyd870 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harry-tj6th And it cost us dearly.
@tomgriffiths2272
@tomgriffiths2272 2 жыл бұрын
@@pinkfloyd870 ? You mean 10 years after we won the league and under different ownership?
@mattmac9776
@mattmac9776 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview and a lot of honesty. Don't know if fans could ask for much more..
@Kilgallon
@Kilgallon Жыл бұрын
So what you are saying is Angus is always honest. Okay. Yeah. Right.
@owensmith3954
@owensmith3954 Жыл бұрын
@Who Knows he never said that Angus is always honest?
@blade123able
@blade123able Жыл бұрын
Get a grip ffs
@mattdavies4811
@mattdavies4811 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview and fair play Angus as didn't dodge any questions 👏👏👏. Questions that the fans would generally ask and I like Angus's forthright attitude. I believe it gives fans a good insight into the hard work that goes on and after the frustration last season I'm hoping we push on. Thank you ♥️
@Wicked_R
@Wicked_R 2 жыл бұрын
Great work Dan..proving that Square ball is Top of the pack when it comes to Leeds United Podcasts.
@LeoDragon34
@LeoDragon34 2 жыл бұрын
Great questions Dan, respectfully delivered without dodging any of the issues. Equally, Angus was as open and forthright as you could possibly hope for from a CEO. Great job, both of you. Thanks!
@bendenton580
@bendenton580 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Angus for your honest and transparent views on the last season. Although not coming across In the Interview, I love your dry sense of humour, I read in the programme notes! You along with Victor, bielsa and radz gave us a promotion that never seemed possible. Thank you for being smart and brave enough to embrace the mavericks. ❤️
@iceiceBailey1919
@iceiceBailey1919 2 жыл бұрын
You had me at "granularity". Great interview which allowed Angus the opportunity to deliver his message while simultaneously advancing the concerns and perspectives on the fans. He hardly puts foot wrong when he speaks and always fills me with confidence that the club is in safe hands. Between Agnus, Orto and Radz I really feel that the club is in excellent hands and look forward to a stable, positive future. Well as stable as it gets for a football side trying to establish itself in the most highly prized football competition in the world at least.
@ktcooki276
@ktcooki276 2 жыл бұрын
SAME!!!😆
@adambarlow8222
@adambarlow8222 2 жыл бұрын
Really candid interview,Thought Dan's line of questioning was spot on...not too tough but got a good reaction from Angus.Decent all round
@darsis
@darsis 2 жыл бұрын
This has to be the most I've been gripped by a 90 minute interview in my life. Thank you to all concerned with delivering it and a special thanks to Dan and Angus for the questions and the answers delivered.
@jayp631
@jayp631 2 жыл бұрын
What a nice bloke Angus is and he knows he's in for a grilling but handled it well. Shame that the stadium expansion can't be done sooner but that's how it's got to be i suppose......Great interview allround. 10/10 👍🏻
@Jon-1919
@Jon-1919 2 жыл бұрын
Really impressed Angus puts himself out there and chats to the fanbase like this. Informative and reassuring. Thanks for facilitating and for striking the right balance with the questions. Friendly, open, and professional on both sides.
@davidrobinson3587
@davidrobinson3587 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly never seen this from any other clubs Mgmt Team, fantastic interview well delivered MOT from Singapore
@atyourservice3220
@atyourservice3220 2 жыл бұрын
I'll be getting a home kit and a warm-up or 3rd kit. American - I would expect a huge increase in sales abroad. Leeds has locked in a lot of USMNT fans whether temporary or long term; put me down for long term - I like everything Leeds stands for.
@lufe8773
@lufe8773 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear your comments
@thewhitbyphotographer
@thewhitbyphotographer 2 жыл бұрын
Bielsa was amazing as a manager for Leeds and as a man in general. He brought respect back to Leeds on every level possible. But it was never going to last forever and he really had done all he could.
@Thomas-px2lh
@Thomas-px2lh 2 жыл бұрын
Rubbish
@tellyhalkias4653
@tellyhalkias4653 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thomas-px2lh Rubbish what mate? That pretty much summed it up: Bielsa did great things, and then reached his limits. End of. That sounds exactly like life. So what part of that is rubbish?
@Thomas-px2lh
@Thomas-px2lh 2 жыл бұрын
@@tellyhalkias4653 we've heard one side of the story
@jamesduffy465
@jamesduffy465 2 жыл бұрын
We should have invested and replace our championship calibre players and kept Marcelo at all costs. We've never played better football than under him and if he had better players we would do much better than Jessie Marsch and his kick and rush style of football
@jaybot303functionerror4
@jaybot303functionerror4 2 жыл бұрын
Not if we had replaced the squad, the board also wanted a small squad as well. Angus wanted to keep him & not to sack until the end of the season. Bielsa also never thought he bigger than Leeds. He would never ever be that arrogant, he was not kind of man. The key is he said his methods did not last with the same group of players so back him & buy new players.
@Skippy1307
@Skippy1307 2 жыл бұрын
Thought it was an honest and truthful interview on both sides...Some tough questions that needed answering and got answered..Took from that we still have a chance of incoming players if the correct player comes available..
@mushroomsarepoo
@mushroomsarepoo 2 жыл бұрын
I love these interviews pre season, I wasn't sure he would do one this year after what we went through as a club, great questions even though some were very direct, well done Dan.
@PeterSpiceOfficial
@PeterSpiceOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview Dan. Have to give props to Angus for being in the hot seat, and willing to answer all the questions put towards him!! MoT!!
@ConnorPratchett
@ConnorPratchett 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing interview, thanks Dan for getting this done and Angus for being so transparent.Already looking forward to next years kit 👀
@sampratchippalkatti3125
@sampratchippalkatti3125 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that there was not a single soft ball question or pandering done for the guest to retain his presence on the show is commendable Genuinely loved the line of questioning and making the guest a bit uncomfortable and Kudos to Angus for not getting angry or throwing tantrums for the questions being asked
@redfox7497
@redfox7497 2 жыл бұрын
superb interview! as the tiny minority of Leeds fans who lives in SE Asia, it really frustrated me that the Adidas retailer around here doesnt sell their kits! I can import it but the delivery and tax fee will outpriced the kit itself! Wished Adidas is more generous with them
@randomdoodles1470
@randomdoodles1470 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a fair interview. Angus shed some much needed light on last season, pushed with excellent questions. Brilliant video.
@damienabbott9805
@damienabbott9805 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview conducted by Dan and great responses by Angus, who gave an honest and forthright account and never once come across as arrogant, dismissive or dodge any of the questions that were given to him. All credit must go to Angus, Andrea and Victor for the work they did not just in bringing Marcelo Bielsa to the club, but for transforming the club’s fortunes over the last five years. It is also reassuring to know that although the club are on an upward trajectory, they are determined not to get carried away or fall into a similar trap like they did at the turn of the millennium.
@nickgill5286
@nickgill5286 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview, very interesting and educational. I still think there is not quite the acceptance from TSB that our situation last year was remotely down to Bielsa, but it clearly was. He did an awesome job for 3.5 years but Marcelo even admitted his plan had a lifespan and that finished earlier this year. Let's move on positively with our next chapter. Surely no Leeds fan wants another 20 managers in 20 years, let's support the new chapter and give it time to develop. With our fanbase success will soon follow.
@robertgamble915
@robertgamble915 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview Dan. Enjoyed that. Thanks Angus - open and honest. Leeds are very lucky to have this competent management board
@bennyhawkins1230
@bennyhawkins1230 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to all involved in this. Very professional. Great job.
@RaginCajun77346
@RaginCajun77346 2 жыл бұрын
Us non-expats are out here. American fan since 1977
@peterkehoe1984
@peterkehoe1984 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Australian LUFC fan here since 1997.
@grahamhume8135
@grahamhume8135 2 жыл бұрын
Dan fantastic interview, you asked the right questions and you challenged his answers, yet it maintained a relaxed atmosphere. Very well structured. Angus was brilliant in responding to all the questions and issues and I love the fact he does this. Brilliant 👏
@michaelgallagher941
@michaelgallagher941 2 жыл бұрын
Top bloke, top board! Confirmed what us fans with half of a brain had already concluded. Doing a fantastic job 💪
@paulgray7014
@paulgray7014 Жыл бұрын
aged like 🥛
@mileslufc8148
@mileslufc8148 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant work Dan, respectful without shying away from asking the difficult questions. A really great interview.
@superricky13
@superricky13 2 жыл бұрын
The candidness of Leeds ownership and management is a breath of fresh air. Love this as one of your new yank friends.
@IamAndrewT
@IamAndrewT 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview, great questions asked and equally great answers. Angus, really speaks well and offers in depth answers, whilst also being realistic in what he says. Andrea and Angus have worked wonders, and Victor has amazing love and passion for Leeds even if he has been hit and miss in the transfer market. I think the board are doing a great job, really looking forward to Jesse being able to imprint his style on the team with his own players this season. MOT
@lilmissgiggles205
@lilmissgiggles205 2 жыл бұрын
This is inspiring. You can see the club has integrity. If the fans can remain patient we are in for a great ride. Fingers crossed the performances allow execution of the plans.
@xxthegamerz0riginalxx920
@xxthegamerz0riginalxx920 2 жыл бұрын
We support a Great club which has intelligent competent leadership with integrity (rare indeed)...... Let's enjoy the journey... It's been a long time waiting! 🍺⚽... Really enjoyed the interview thankyou both
@TheBagpuss
@TheBagpuss 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview and insight-top work Dan and refreshing to see Angus so open and honest..
@reevvaa
@reevvaa 2 жыл бұрын
Really good interview Dan, well done. Really nice to hear from the inner sanctum
@jansings7742
@jansings7742 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the honesty of this interview he didn't duck anything, very interesting.
@andidawkins589
@andidawkins589 2 жыл бұрын
Really great interview and Angus is very credible and candid. We are lucky to have him. With Rad and Orta and 49's money in the background, every Leeds fan should feel our club is in safe hands for the future. ))
@Thirdfish
@Thirdfish 2 жыл бұрын
Loved Bielsa but no way did I agree with a thin squad and some of his tactics were found out and he refused to change them, look at the goals against us, but boy was he a maverick and he will always be a legend. I think Angus comes across as very honest and certainly puts transfer fees into perspective. Great interview.
@thesquareball_
@thesquareball_ 2 жыл бұрын
It’s nice to read a balanced view on the internet for once! 😃
@philkilbride4148
@philkilbride4148 2 жыл бұрын
Love his honesty, he comes across really well. Radz, orta and kinnear have done an amazing job of resurrecting leeds over the last 4 years. I was at the man city and Brighton games and couldn't stand to hear 'sack the board' chanting. It served no purpose whatsoever other than to weaken the team on the pitch. Leeds are in a new chapter now and every one of us should be behind the board, squad and JM. A lot of what was said in relation to bielsa makes perfect sense but the timing of firpo and James I just don't understand though - if MB insists on needing 6 weeks to get them up to speed why purchase week before season starts? January's window was disastrous but explained by kinnear, however, last summer didn't make much sense either. Great interview. Thank you.
@mkirby311
@mkirby311 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview the tone of questioning was perfect 👍🏻
@charlie17401
@charlie17401 2 жыл бұрын
brilliant interviewing Dan , hit the nail fully on the head
@superricky13
@superricky13 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent point about how spreading the money out amongst the squad protects the team. As a new fan, it's wonderful to see how grounded, real, and calculated your financial plans are. Marching on together!
@jackswinburne7598
@jackswinburne7598 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview Dan. Balanced, challenging but respectful. It was a tough season and devestating to see Bielsa go. However, the process of decision making seemed logical and always with the club's best interest in mind. Great to get these insights
@thesquareball_
@thesquareball_ 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@dtheory6764
@dtheory6764 2 жыл бұрын
You don't get many honest interviews like this. Great work
@simonturner728
@simonturner728 2 жыл бұрын
No punches pulled in the questions and honest answers from Angus. Great job, thanks for that.
@marcfoss8838
@marcfoss8838 2 жыл бұрын
What a great interview. Perhaps some uncomfortable truths for fans, but we should be happy with this level of honesty to help manage expectations, rather than being fed empty platitudes and promises that can't be fulfilled. Loving your work, TSB!
@imran6873
@imran6873 Жыл бұрын
Great interview and I liked the honesty. We have to be realistic we have been away for 17 years and take time to evolve championship players to premiership
@rpastrology
@rpastrology 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview, asking all the right questions. Despite some good answers, never really satisfied on why we've not made progress on signing another forward. We've been so short up front for way too long, nearly cost us terribly last season.
@bonniebarker1552
@bonniebarker1552 2 жыл бұрын
They don't want to buy somebody who is a flop. And to be fair moat of there signing we have apart from firpo have been a success
@MrPoTaToAiM8
@MrPoTaToAiM8 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this, brilliant questions from yourself and Really good and what seemed to be honest answers from Kinnear. Thanks
@jonsheard8749
@jonsheard8749 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Dan. Some great questions and answers from Angus…….I don’t recall him swerving anything. I personally got a lot of assurance from him and understand more the ‘whole’ club issues & aspirations he / Board have to manage. Cheers.
@Si-pk4zy
@Si-pk4zy 2 жыл бұрын
This has endorsed what I thought was going on at the club and well done to Angus for being candid and honest Clearly the issue was Bielsa and small squad mentality but the Prem just isn’t like any other league in world you need depth in squad good interview and well done LUFC
@adamwedgwood4814
@adamwedgwood4814 2 жыл бұрын
Fair play to Angus. No politicians answers in this interview. It's nice to see that he is willing to be transparent with fans
@leedsfan1919
@leedsfan1919 Жыл бұрын
Could you try to get another interview with Angus on what went wrong in now we are back in the championship. Love to know why the club keep backing Marsh.
@damianthompson7821
@damianthompson7821 2 жыл бұрын
Well done as always Dan for conducting an interview that doesn't just get vanilla answers. What became clear is that the Board's aim is to establish the club in the Premier League mid-table, which also suggests that is the limit of their realistic ambition. Nothing wrong with that, given that is also probably the extreme of their financial abilities which, after 16 years away from the wealth of the top-flight, is a clearer indication of how far the club have fallen when compared to the country's leading football clubs. Whilst the pragmatist in me totally understands that, I still can't shake the feeling that the biggest one-club city in Europe should have a team with bigger horizons - and richer, more ambitious owners. We all know the footballing landscape has now changed out of all recognition, but when Leeds got promoted in 1990, we enjoyed 9 top-5 finishes out of 12 seasons, including winning the league - unfortunately we are light years away from that era and that club, and only the likes of Newcastle now have the scope to regularly break into the established top 6. Which means, sadly, for clubs like Leeds, without the resources of a uber rich ownership model which tramples over FFP, finishes between 8th and 13th are probably the limit of what we can achieve ...
@davidmarkaldridge9546
@davidmarkaldridge9546 2 жыл бұрын
Well presented and Kinnear handled it well. Appreciated all round, MOT
@mrzacbell
@mrzacbell 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great interview, very insightful. Top questions 👍
@ianbroom439
@ianbroom439 2 жыл бұрын
We stayed up n were not playing Birmingham away so let's enjoy n onwards n upwards
@cornwallandbeyondwithsmith8119
@cornwallandbeyondwithsmith8119 Жыл бұрын
Great that James. I think your van will go under the radar compared to say a motorhome. We live in Cornwall and I’ve heard a lot of people get hassle for parking up for the night. Don’t know what’s wrong with people . We are hoping to get back to Benidorm before the end of the year too . Enjoying your vlogs. All the best to you both
@tomforster2864
@tomforster2864 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview, really refreshing honesty and insight in to the last 12 months at the club
@GrimeyRL
@GrimeyRL 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview. Didnt dodge any questions and gave clear and fair answers👍
@nigelstansfield1644
@nigelstansfield1644 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Kinnesr is a straight shooter and Mr Radrazzani and the fans are lucky to have him.
@Giantist
@Giantist 2 жыл бұрын
The way these guys run our club , overall, is seriously good. Prudent and professional at every level. Obviously we have every right to drop difficult questions and scrutinise, but honestly the things that are happening at Leeds get me buzzing.
@solarenergynow08
@solarenergynow08 2 жыл бұрын
(@ 12 & 16 minutes) Good insight for all of us MBielsa supporters... 3 seasons with Bielsa and you probably need to change the majority of the team to keep going.....sad it had a bad ending..
@jacksimmons530
@jacksimmons530 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview, thanks guys!
@steakandsidjustleeds
@steakandsidjustleeds 2 жыл бұрын
Good interview... dont agree with every aspect but Kinnear explains things well and gets his logic over
@Southstand83
@Southstand83 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Dan what a fantastic interview asked a lot of questions that we needed the answers to. Time to move on now.
@Footylives
@Footylives 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview, Dan
@thesquareball_
@thesquareball_ 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@DIRTYLEEDS
@DIRTYLEEDS 2 жыл бұрын
This video answered all my questions!
@davewells4251
@davewells4251 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview, great questions and positive answers 👍🏻
@darrenevans99
@darrenevans99 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview on both sides, well done both, very insightful.
@johnheckles8239
@johnheckles8239 2 жыл бұрын
That moment when I realise I’m of a similar age to Angus, Orta and Andrea.. The only thing Iv managed to build is a Lego set.. And I needed my sons help with that 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣
@bravo2966
@bravo2966 2 жыл бұрын
I was gutted when Leeds managers started being younger than me, similar to you I've done nowt either really. Once made an airfix Spitfire but got it stuck to my fingers with the glue and had to break it.
@pauldebrabander3514
@pauldebrabander3514 2 жыл бұрын
Love our board! We have to be patient on the pitch. Building the foundations takes years. We're in good hands!!!
@lucasskelton9194
@lucasskelton9194 2 жыл бұрын
i fuckin love the square ball me
@MunchyToy
@MunchyToy 2 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed that discussion between these two fine young men.
@samwarren9819
@samwarren9819 2 жыл бұрын
How can you not love Angus? Razdini, Victor & Angus are legends
@josephobrien3520
@josephobrien3520 Жыл бұрын
This comment has aged really well
@samwarren9819
@samwarren9819 Жыл бұрын
@@josephobrien3520 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@paulgray7014
@paulgray7014 Жыл бұрын
lol
@TAMSTERMAN
@TAMSTERMAN 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview Dan and thanks Angus. Was always interesting when Angus touched his nose.
@Josh-cm9jw
@Josh-cm9jw 2 жыл бұрын
Still not sure I'm entirely with him on the membership issues, but he does come across well. Topics that have been a bone of contention he didn't shirk, he got stuck into answering them honestly, transparently and willing to explain the club's approach. He'll rightly come out of this with a lot of credit, I just wish this openness and transparency would be on display from the club when tensions are rising, rather than wait for the annual honesty session on the podcast.
@mynala110
@mynala110 2 жыл бұрын
Have to imagine international sales of shirts wii skyrocket with the USA fans added.
@TruthSocial12
@TruthSocial12 2 жыл бұрын
Bielsa's Autobiography would be wild
@davedurave2
@davedurave2 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview was well worth the listen and even better we won today 2-1 MOT
@paulg8524
@paulg8524 2 жыл бұрын
remember ridsdale budgeted for champions league and fucked us for 20 years, never again love the current approach
@tupp001
@tupp001 2 жыл бұрын
Great Interview
@philliphartley4939
@philliphartley4939 2 жыл бұрын
Really good interview loved the content and honesty, I am looking forward to the day we "Leeds United" have the control of our own kit design, to be honest I've hated every single "Adidas" kit so far nothing like what our club colours deserve. Just generic adidas sh *te.
@AlexSmith-nq6uc
@AlexSmith-nq6uc 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect interview, mate, nailed it.
@11tweskard
@11tweskard 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, the Square balls answer to Parkinson, excellent interview
@brianbearhope1101
@brianbearhope1101 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan. Good interview.
@paulg8524
@paulg8524 2 жыл бұрын
finally an interview where you scream at the screen to ask a question and the dan actually asks it, you could teach hay a thing or two 😉
@mynala110
@mynala110 2 жыл бұрын
“Brendon and Tyler are going to be stars this year” 😍🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🔥
@TheOrangeRaider
@TheOrangeRaider Жыл бұрын
I hope he does one of these again !
@LiamBatey-zr9el
@LiamBatey-zr9el Жыл бұрын
“We won’t be selling to Burnley again”…. Erm you might wanna rethink that one Angus
@Donners329
@Donners329 2 жыл бұрын
"On de kettlelare as Bremner says you get nothing for second" 😂
@rikkidrake4801
@rikkidrake4801 2 жыл бұрын
I really like Angus he speaks very well brilliant interview
@davidgreen2571
@davidgreen2571 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for some tougher questioning around our defence, given how many goals we leaked last season, and the fact we have not been that aggressive in the pursuit of a left back. Good interview, though, squareball at its best.
@gaz.v1434
@gaz.v1434 Жыл бұрын
thank u for this show
@lewiscollins343
@lewiscollins343 2 жыл бұрын
I thought Angus explained the ticketing / membership issues really well… and caps it off with the reality that the ground isn’t big enough…I hope the work starts in earnest to get the stadium bigger.
@gez9387
@gez9387 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview! Loved this. Well done! Ready for a new season. Alaw! Mot!
@thesmithselvis
@thesmithselvis 2 жыл бұрын
Not to be down on Marsch, but I would be curious to know what other clubs were seeking to hire him. According to Kinnear he was much sought after, after his sacking at RB Leipzig.
@brianweezy568
@brianweezy568 2 жыл бұрын
Rumor has it AS Monaco made an offer
@leedsunited8787
@leedsunited8787 2 жыл бұрын
We're going to miss Raz when the 49ers take over. Mark it down.
@hilld1985
@hilld1985 2 жыл бұрын
This was a tough watch, Dan. The vibe felt slightly uncomfortable. Still, I enjoyed all of it
@thesquareball_
@thesquareball_ 2 жыл бұрын
It was all cool! I think Angus enjoys the challenge and the chance to go on record about things at the club. 😊
@colinwilson933
@colinwilson933 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview..we fans should appreciate this current board, especially after some of the diabolical regimes we've had previously..at least the board is willing to speak openly in public,unlike the majority of other teams in the prem..come on fans respect to them...mot
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