Intramuscular vs Subcutaneous Testosterone Blood Labs (SubQ vs IM TRT compared)

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#TRT #Testosterone

[@ericraz597]

Well explained and very well put together. Thank you!!

[@james_games9684]

He is absolutely right, if you are on TRT at 20 or at 80 you should be dosed up to high normal for a 20yo

[@GG-wg1yh]

In reference what would that be ?

[@nn-dj2nu]

It's easy to find on Google, but I'm to lazy to do it for you, but in USA the reference range is about 300-1000ng/dl, so shoot for about 700 or higher to have the levels of a healthy young man

[@virtunus7950]

I have been doing daily subq test and hcg dosages daily and feel great with great blood work results. Dr Robert Stevens from the UK is a great advocate for this protocol

[@ozzydoetraining]

In the belly fat?

[@rob2258]

Can I ask what you dose daily?

[@yasinjamal7517]

i am doing I.M but i find contradicting opinions on whether sub q is use less and stuff like that

[@dudeasp1]

Love your show man!!!

[@sim7409]

been doin IM for bout 1yr now..results are great..feelin much better. prior to this i was on androgel topical gel for several yrs. my T went south at 40 im now 45 & feelin the best in that regard.

[@cummingsdale753]

Excellent study great job, I was wondering later are you going to do this study again but this time making the free testosterone levels? I think this is very important being that this is what we are able to use

[@thelongtrader4642]

Very informative video. Im not an HRT user of testosterone but i do it in cycles for my bodybuilding goals. Will do HRT when it comes time for that. I also did IM and SUBQ but never went into detail like this. As far as prolactin goes, Testosterone dose not raise it directly, but in regards to little raise in estrogen and aromatisation it will also rise, so by controlling estro , prolactin should be fine. As far as prolactin fucking up sexual function, in my case it didnt. I crashed it to nearly zero one time and it was perfectly fine, because i was on some Anabolics that directly made my prolactin go higher (nandrolones). But prolactin has its role in our bodies and close to zero isnt ideal either for us men. If you crash estrogen that low it will cause sexual disfunction every single time. Also, smart move to switching to more frequent pinning, no matter if you use longer ester of testosterone, steadier concentration will make less spikes in estrogen conversion, it will be more stable, you will get more Free Testosterone etc... much better way than pinning once per week.

[@mikehogan5087]

If someone has a high shgb before TRT is frequent subq effective in lowering there shgb?

[@joshua5705]

@@mikehogan5087 no. Less frequent

[@VillageboiRobbie]

Good video brother. Thank you.

[@EB-bk4kv]

Hey bro love your content. ive been following you for a minute & even have your book. Would this be the same for doses more than trt? Like a blast or cycle?

[@cummingsdale753]

Great video..so which mode of administration do you prefer overall?

[@Skyworth111]

thanks for this ive been doing trt using sustanon for years now and i notice that i get acne if i do glutes i just thought its because i injected it in fat might have a slow release than intermuscular. have you research usinh sustanon instead of using cyp or enan. the only reason i use it is because it has 4 different compounds with different time release. nice job on thw video. btw i only do one everyweek if you look at the half life for cyp or enan might reduce your times of injection.

[@stephenwade6957]

Thanks for the info

[@cummingsdale753]

Great video, what was your personal protocol during this study? Dose? Administration frequency? Free testosterone levels? Thanks. ✌🏾🙏🏾💪🏾😎

[@cummingsdale753]

I just heard your protocol. My apologies. Great video. 👍🏾

[@christophergoode7823]

Sorry maybe I missed it but when you switched to 200 mg/week doing IM did you also do that every other day?

[@dlindo8892]

10 points isn’t that much of a difference really. I personally wouldn’t trust a blood test by pricking your finger and dripping the blood into a vial. Just my thoughts.

[@MrRey007]

how much did you inject per week? and what ester are you using? enanthate cypionate or undecanoate?

[@derektomaszewski582]

I ordered kit. The company is in Dublin and sells your information. They do not specify what info it is they sell. Ask before you buy.

[@juicer404]

im using test for trt but im told to do 50mg every 3 days subcutaneous, im starting to get lumps in stomach but would like to do intra instead but dr told me i lose 40% of test if going into glute instead of sub, is this true?

[@gregyance9901]

I inject myself on the quads, I'm fairly lean on that part of my body, I normally use a 25 gauge needle, but I don't know if thats going to be IM or SQ and if the oil will be absorbed properly, now, if a use a 27 gauge will be SQ and will absorbed properly? Great informative video

[@zekkez]

Finger prick tests aren't as consistent as intravenous and all tests ideally should be taken at a trough, say 9am before food, workouts, etc. I'm on TRT, Test Cyp & HGC every day. You should try every day injections for much more stable results. SubQ and Test Cyp has a much better chance of less side effects and aromatisation and the Test Cyp is easier to manage due to only having one ester. As you probably know, it's about balance, more isn't always better. 😎👍

[@marpbb]

what were your pre trt numbers? (tt,ft,shbg)

[@adammarshall4576]

Only issue with SubQ is abbesses if the site is not cleaned properly. I always IM just take 1/2 dose every 3 days that way you get a stable T level no spikes and crashes!

[@juicer404]

how much intra u use? im told ill lose 40% if i go IM over subc,.. doing 50mg sub everydays

[@jespergrenstadius1476]

I got about the same results as you. I keept going with subq, i found that the slower absorbtion gaves me less anxiety. Just upp the dose a little and u will have the same numbers.

[@helkomelko2373]

Did your shbg change from im to subq?

[@wokest118]

I do shallow IM with 27g 1/2” insulin needle in a low fat area in the quads. It kicks in after several hours and lasts the whole week, whereas with subq there’s a limit to how much u can inject at once and you waste 2 days waiting for it to kick in.

[@billrunham9610]

That’s why you do subQ every other day or every day

[@mikehogan5087]

Does it clump in your lower stomach fat?

[@AussieRiser]

@@mikehogan5087 massage the area after injecting and you shouldn't get many lumps at all

[@mikehogan5087]

@@AussieRiser I'm good im

[@dlindo8892]

@@billrunham9610subq should be done once or twice a week because of the slower release. You don’t need to inject more often.

[@deanb8191]

Doesn't look like LetsGetChecked is available in Canada anymore, correct?

[@peten409]

I've been doing Subq for two years works well and shot is easier.

[@valuetainer3437]

How often, three times per week?

[@ashleytaylor994]

Did it help with depression

[@dommill9739]

Can you use propionate sub every day?. And how much is the maximum

[@MrRey007]

SO basically intramusuclar gets you highger levels with the same amount. So in order to get same amounts using SUBQ you need a higher dose.

[@BizzyIzzy87]

Thank you!!!

[@dlindo8892]

Or is that subq is just a more consistent level all the time.

[@MrRey007]

@@dlindo8892 nope. I did trt for almost 6 months at a 250mg splitted 4 times a week and my test markers in the blood work barely moved. I even raised the dose up to 500mg per week and only then I achieved 1100 ng/dl . I though I was a insensitive responder to test and then tried intramuscular shoulders injections 2 twice a week. With 250mg a week I got near 700 ng/dl . Then tried same dose but in the gluteus and I got my test markers at 2100 ng/dl at the same 250mg per week dose. That made me able to use less test to a point of 125mg per week gets me right where I want to. Subq sucks for bioavailability you lose almost 60% of the compound.

[@hiraeth195]

@@MrRey007 bullshit

[@dndallasta]

I'm sorry but why would switching from delts to glutes triple your serum levels if both were IM? Doesn't make much sense. @@MrRey007

[@jakerusty123]

How did trt effect your hair and beard growth?

[@excid1]

Curious if SUBQ injection site has different affects. I pin daily into my upper thigh fat. Haven't tried the belly yet.

[@dlindo8892]

Yes the site of injection does make a difference. At least for me it does. In the belly fat it doesn’t absorb as good. Upper thigh and glute fat are better for me.

[@Manonamove]

Hey Richard, could you please let me know the name of your TRT doctor ? Looking for one.

[@ryanweston9677]

1983elpaisita you can get an RX from your primary care doctor.

[@user-hz4je6hd8t]

Been on 5 years. Switched from I'm to subq. 100mg pw. Every 3.5 days. No ai. Levels are at the top of the scale. Dont feel different but a lot less painful.

[@axiom4018]

My levels are exactly the same both IM and Subq. Estradiol stayed the as well. Didn't lower my estradiol despite all that I read about subq. I'll stick to subq as it's more convenient and less painful.

[@dlindo8892]

Does it take a while to reach a steady state after you switched to subq? Thanks

[@helkomelko2373]

Did your shbg change from doing im ti subq?

[@Ayan992]

Do u pin in a place with fat or less fat subq?

[@Ayan992]

@@axiom4018 do u pin with a place with fat or less fat subq?

[@kevinherron6051]

Did you have to give blood any while doing sub q to keep hemocrit and hemoglobin down? When I did intramuscular both of mine would be in the upper part. If sub q keeps those lower ( I know it can vary person to person ) I would like that more. Anyone have experience with this? Thank you!

[@deanb8191]

My hematocrit is also high on IM, going to try SubQ. How did yours work out?

[@kevinherron6051]

@@deanb8191 so weirdly enough mine ended up balancing out sticking to shallow IM. The key I learned was I will drink a liter or so if water before I get my blood work done and it’s consistently been under the upper range. But I think my body has gotten used to it a bit as well. I fell like either way will work. I inject 2 times a week and take 12.5mg of enclomiphine ( the clean version of clomid ) since dumbasses screwed up getting hcg cheaply anymore

[@wernergansert6377]

Excellent job my man!!! "Unfortunately" if you want stable T levels you have to inject more frequently (using smaller doses) and Subq would be the best protocol for this...

[@dlindo8892]

Not for me it wasn’t. When I switched over to subq doing the same dose and same injection protocol after five weeks I got blood work. My total t had dropped 350 points and my estradiol stayed the same. I also felt like crap. Obviously I switched back to shallow IM.

[@prettyboyboo6901]

@@dlindo8892 how deep is shallow IM? Needle size?

[@dlindo8892]

@@prettyboyboo6901 29 gauge 1/2 inch 1/2 ml easytouch is what I’m using.

[@prettyboyboo6901]

@@dlindo8892 Thx bro. I will start trying it.

[@BizzyIzzy87]

@@dlindo8892 where?

[@lambo7516]

What do you recommend to use for shampoo to prevent endocrine disruption?

[@Last-Lap-Lando4]

Paraben free, fragrance free. Don't know any brand names off hand, but u wanna look to as close of natural ingredients. There are some natural ingredients that have been shown to increase estrogen, so research that...I know lavender is one.

[@mraarontorres]

Now I recently realized. I'm doing amazing with my health n fitness considering most other pple are NOT natural n post enhanced results

[@james_games9684]

my doc just started me on gels yesterday. Ive heard they arent great compared to injections so ill mention my anecdotal results regularly and labs in 3 months if anybody is interested

[@DIVISIONINCISION]

Injections are better. With the gels, you have the issue of it not absorbing fully or being rubbed off before it can actually absorb. It will work, but IM injection is the best.

[@adammarshall4576]

Don’t do gels waste of time!

[@ezzybro1]

Would be curious to see labs. I was personally on the highest dose of gels and was not happy. I only gave it 4 weeks though... I would definitely recommend getting on either cypionate or enanthate.

[@dlindo8892]

I’ve heard the cream applied to the scrotum is the best.

[@kez850]

I was on cream from a compounding pharmacy for a couple years. Worked great and was about $40 a month. Letting it dry on my leg for 15 minutes every day and having to clean the toilet seat every time I took a shit (married) got old eventually. It got me to high-mid numbers though. ~750 total T and 23 free with a reference range of 6 to 25.

[@billymaze4733]

Does HCG convert to DHEA and pregenalone or will still have to supplement those?

[@kevinlanning2727]

DHEA supplements are a waste

[@AsdfGhjkl-bj3ei]

Dhea is not a waste. I recently started supplement 50mg dhea daily’s 6 weeks in and my libido has returned after being absent for years.

[@caronbacks5457]

I switched from im to subq 1 week ago. And i feel a crash, my libido is down. How long it takes to feel good again? Some people say they have no crash and some say it need a couple weeks to stabilize?

[@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM]

This happened to me as well. Suffered through about 2 months, but then I couldn't handle it anymore. So I went back to IM injections. You're definitely not alone with that reaction.

[@dlindo8892]

@@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM Just curious what your injection protocol was when doing subq? I’m trying to figure out why it works for some and not for others.

[@akuma4u]

Subq is very slow absorbing. Im is the opposite. Test is meant to be absorbed by muscle tissue not fat. I too keep switching from subq back to im because its just so slow and takes forever to feel good. I think im going to stick to IM and do it every 3 days.

[@caronbacks5457]

@@akuma4u i switched from IM to Subq and feel much better, more libido and more stable levels, but i use propionate, it absorbs very quick SUbq and i dont have any lumps and just feel great. Enantate or cypionate are not good for subq is meant to be absorbed by muscle tissue thats right. But propionate works great subq

[@akuma4u]

@@caronbacks5457 prop and subq is way better than using cyp and subq. I gotta wait weeks until i start to feel anything beneficial. It takes a long time for it to build up.

[@Sportokonsultantas]

How much of testoterone you were using eod?

[@camdenhill3148]

can you pin other anabolic compounds sub q as well then?

[@shelbyprice7790]

Yea

[@abizzle69]

Curious as to what your Hcg dose was?

[@cummingsdale753]

I saw the free androgen markers. Thanks man

[@adrian-4767]

Where can I learn more about this stuff for newbies? I don't understand a thing about it!

[@CJ-yf5cr]

You could try Reddit there are lots of forms that discuss TRT and SARMS.

[@adrian-4767]

@@CJ-yf5cr for example which ones?

[@ari357]

How about testing T levels through saliva samples? i heard it can be a better way to check for free T that blood can't show. Also, it's much easier to provide samples. I just did this recently and waiting for results. Anyone have experience?

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Saliva is inaccurate

[@TheLordMyRock]

I think I need to go to eod. I pin every 5 days and hcg the same day also and still kind of feel like shit.

[@kevinbraden798]

The body does a lot better on multiple small doses through the week, its more natural and you will keep the side effects down.....I was on the same protocol as you with the HCG on the injections days. I dosed down to 100mg split twice weekly and HCG only on 1 day. My body reacts to the Test very fast and my bottom number still sits in the 900's on only 100mg. When I switched to the twice weekly and backed off on the HCG to only every other month, all my side effects went away.

[@elementalbreakdown7775]

Ethanate vs. Cypionate is something to consider, right? Every doc I personally used only prescribe cypionate. If ethanate has a shorter half life then these results make sense. But cypionate, which is much more widely prescribed IME, would look a lot different. I'm waiting results on second blood test to compare to baseline. I think cypionate IM is the gold standard. Not sure why anyone would prefer shorter half life except if you are using it for bodybuilding and want it to disappear from detection...

[@SaltyDogPerformance]

Half life of Enanthate is 7 days. Cypionate is 8.

[@JaimeKing1989]

Man I have so many questions but I'm on this stuff because it allows me to take less medicine. I cant feel a difference at all and my current levels are between 750 and 890 as a 31 year old male that has mild sleep apnea and works overnight

[@PSmith-xi1zr]

@@AbcDino843 couldn't agree with this more. Just got a cpap and feeling much better. My tes is has been in the 850-900 range. Good sleep is everything!

[@YhAFbwts]

I'm 58, got tested, 22.2 nmol/L, 288 pmol/L free T. Just had a phone consult with a urologist Re TRT. He said I'm normal ( free target 179-475 for 25-60 year old) therefore not a candidate. Will be referring me to a sleep clinic as I listed fatigue as one of my symptoms. I'm fit, in good health but not as strong etc as my younger self. Southern Ontario. Should I find another DR, look for a private clinic?

[@sashachip]

yup. Fuck that doc. You need to find a doc that works out, and i don't mean a doc that plays squash at the country club after work. Find a doc who's neck is so thick he has trouble finding shirts that fit lol. Find a doc who lifts iron and does jiujitsu. That doc will understand your needs.

[@AsdfGhjkl-bj3ei]

I’ve been rocking free t between 230-280 pmol since 2017. Experiencing every negative cognitive symptom that’s associated with low t, depression being the big one. Tried 7 anti depressants with no luck. FINALLY got on trt through onmen which is Canadian and within 5 months all my symptoms disappeared entirely. Point is, I hope you found someone to prescribe you trt because you would certainly benefit based on your current levels.

[@TheEnevitable]

I just turned 29. Got my blood work done and got my test checked. My total test was 317. The normal range is 250 to 1100. Dr said it was fine. However as I'm not even over 30 yet and I'm damn near at the bottom end of the range and it has me concerned. Should I consider trt?

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

You want to know the bioavailable levels, total levels aren't as important. There are many things you can do to improve it, I cover it in a chapter in my book. I also talked about some useful tips in this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2GuooZplsqWpbc&ab_channel=EntrepreneursinCars

[@TheEnevitable]

Thanks for the response. I'm getting more blood work done to get more information as far as free test, prostate specific, and estradiol. Hopefully that comes back with some positive results. I'm going to do what I can to raise it naturally. Listening to the the video you linked now. And I will certainly take a look at grabbing your book!

[@salmanalih95]

@@TheEnevitable I’m 25 and tested at 340, personally I’ve been feeling low motivation, lack of sex drive and mentally drained. I will be starting 100mg Test Cyp to manage and titrate up/down with regular blood work.

[@Last-Lap-Lando4]

The "normal" range is bs. Find a new dr. 20 years ago the "normal" was like 350-1100, they keep dropping due to all the endo-toxins affecting men now. So instead insurance companies lower the reference number so less ppl get approved. U have the total T of like a 70 year old man...at 29!! Now, imagine u only lose 2% of that a year. By the time ur 40 ull have the testosterone of a female. Dont wait until ur so low, for so long, that u can't reverse some of the side affects of low testosterone and an imbalance of estrogen. Get on top of this asap! Ur life will be a lot better. If you have a bad lifestyle now (drinking, drugs, bad diet, obesity...) change that first. Start exercising. Get re-tested after 6 months. If your numbers are a lot better and u feel a lot better, than u may not need trt right now. But in ur case, I'd take Rich's advice and test urself at least once a year.

[@nn-dj2nu]

You might be stressed/overtraining, dieting? Eat plenty of food, get lots of sleep, don't stress so much, and cut back on alcohol and get checked again in a month or two, I bet you will double your testosterone just with that

[@user-mi2vl1eb9r]

What if I injected test enanthate into glutes subcutaneous? Is that ok?

[@whatever_it_takes6691]

If I remember correctly Jay Campbell is now using testosterone cream daily.

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Yup, shave a patch on your nut sac, and lotion it up.

[@KennethLeeAtLGA]

Look into Kisspeptin trade it for the HcG

[@DrewBaye]

The goal of HRT should not be to maintain normal levels for your age, but optimal levels for health and performance, which would be the normal levels for someone in their teens or early 20s. If your doctor says your testosterone is fine "for your age" you need to find a better doctor.

[@sashachip]

Drew do you follow Entrepreneurs in Cars or just found this video somehow? I've been following you for years. Don't agree with everything you advise but i like a lot of it.

[@DrewBaye]

​@@sashachip yes, I follow the channel. I know Rich from speaking at the same conventions.

[@EB-bk4kv]

Conversion on those is 800ng/dl Sub q and 1100 IM

[@Jimz12]

can you inject 1cc of test e sub q?

[@adammander7108]

I’m starting eod injection of test e where did you inject, I’ve been doing delta with a 27g 0.5inch , where else can you inject?

[@YouTubecivilian]

Get half inch needle and do delta.

[@BizzyIzzy87]

Should have used better units. Don’t know what 28 or 38 is.

[@bgdaddysmooth7713]

The names propionate, enanthate, cypionate etc refer to the ester. The ester is the length of time before its live in the body and how long it’s active. For example enanthate and cypionate are both 7 day ish esters. This means it lies dormant for a wk and then it’s live for a wk. propionate is like 3 days. All the name dictates is injection frequency. You might want to look into a blend of esters, sustanon for example. It staggers the release of test which might be a more appealing inj frequency.

[@user-ep6wd7ip7v]

No need for hcg while on test lol also dhea hardly dose anything cycled on and off it noticed nothing all prescription although I noticed dhea causes high estrogen in me so no go , but we know estrogen is good for cardiovascular and neruo protective I’m is also less accurate because of the bigger needles where with slim pins the amount of fluid going in and left in the needle is more accurate

[@telecosanan4563]

Sub q turns in to stabler and longer release avoiding peaks. Tip to avoid bruises or lumps in the belly area , just stick it in your but, with an angle , if any lump appears at least will be covered with underwear hopefully 😉

[@jeffsharman1]

SQD (Sub Q daily) or SQEOD (sub Q every other day) is where the much better numbers are coming from. Not just switching to subQ

[@valuetainer3437]

It's more convenient to shot subq if you're going to do it every other day IM every other day would be a pain in the ass (p.intended)

[@valuetainer3437]

And no, it s not where it's coming from, with sub q testosterone is released slower and there's less conversion to estrogen, so less spikes and less conversion to e2 and dht= more free testosterone Sub q is better for try hands down

[@CalvinJamesJr]

Deep, real deep and a little geeky like he said

[@jeffferguson69]

I got prescribed 180 once a week Im. I think I’m going to do once every day or 2 sub q

[@kevinbraden798]

I think Doctors in general in the beginning, like to prescribe once per week injections and usually IM. The problem I have found and especially at the 180 to 200 dose is you can feel great in the beginning but then the side effects come on strong. This happen to me after 6 months. Dosing down to 100mg split twice weekly with HCG once a week, mitigated all the issues I was having. The HCG is done with a month off in between. I must say I am a high converter because even on 100mg my test levels stay in the 900's, Doctors not to crazy about that, and wants to dose me down again:(

[@jeffferguson69]

Kevin Braden I’m a month and half in, I’ve been doing daily subq. So far so good. Feel great compared to before. No sides yet. Maybe a couple pimples here and there but nothing out of the ordinary.

[@kevinbraden798]

@@jeffferguson69 Awesome brother, I'm really thinking of making the switch. I really hate the IM injections.

[@jeffferguson69]

Kevin Braden supposedly there’s no difference in results. I don’t think I would do big injections subq tho due to lumping and possible irritation. I’m doing like .13 daily which is fine.

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Guys, you can't manage, what you don't measure, check your T levels now with Lets Get Checked, here: trylgc.com/Entrepreneurs - Use coupon code COOPER20 to get 20% off. Original video I reference from 6 weeks ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5CTfYdmqZqFo5I

[@Malmidas]

how much mg of T do you take a week?

[@mastodonttix]

Rich, how much HCG eod?

[@nn-dj2nu]

250iu 3x/week was shown in one study to maintain about 95% intratestucaler testosterone levels in men on trt, start there and work your way up or down to find what wors for u, don't go above 500iu 3x/week

[@ericraz597]

Are you checking estrogen levels as well when supplementing T?

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Watch the video

[@italiancapo7]

ericraz597 come on bro 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ericraz597]

@@italiancapo7 Yeah, I know! Thanks.

[@westword6558]

How in the world do u draw up that thick oil in a syringe?

[@Sharkman19D]

You use a larger bore needle to draw the meds, then switch down to a smaller one to inject.

[@mastodonttix]

pressurise

[@zekkez]

Also check out Dr Robert Stevens of TMHC (The Men's Health Clinic) they have a page on Facebook, TRT in the UK. One of his patients is Dorian Yates. He's an advocate for everyday micro dosing for stable levels.

[@varunkamal91]

You had a more healthy T:E ratio with IM compared to SubQ.

[@BizzyIzzy87]

Ratios are BS nonsense lol.

[@KennethLeeAtLGA]

Daily pins subCue and 25% more efficient or every other day is more natural pulses of test vs the spike which the body must act back depending on the person ask Drew Timmerman in AZ regenerative performance medicine

[@DIVISIONINCISION]

Important: For those of you who want HRT, remember that you have to keep a watch on your Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) blood levels because there is a correlation between androgen use and prostate growth. If you are predisposed to prostate cancer, using exogenous testosterone can artificially increase your prostate growth early and you don't want that. Make sure you get your blood labs monitored by a doctor so you can stay within limits. PSA is a big deal.

[@italiancapo7]

Yes, taking finnesteride (propecia) with Test helps.

[@JDBongiorni]

@@italiancapo7 Elaborate on this. Wouldn't the T override that prostate protection benefit from the finasteride?

[@DIVISIONINCISION]

@@JDBongiorni I'm going to be honest. When I took finasteride 1MG ED, I noticed bodyfat gain and some estrogenic sides. I feel better off it.

[@DIVISIONINCISION]

@eman7188 Are you talking to me? I've been following this since the days of Dan Duchaine. I've probably forgotten more about this topic than you ever knew. There are many more studies that show a correlation between PSA and prostate hypertrophy than anything you can show me. One guy's book isn't going to sway me based on the empirical evidence.

[@dlindo8892]

Read the book “The great prostate hoax.” And testosterone doesn’t cause bph or prostate cancer. High estrogen and dht does. And keeping your progesterone levels optimal keeps estradiol and dht in check.

[@onceagain9617]

Everyone has a fkn opinion

[@mbongoyanguba2071]

Doesn't TRT lower your natural test levels?

[@vhog6314]

It will shut your HPTA down, your natural testosterone levels will be pretty much non existent

[@juicer404]

@@vhog6314 depends how much a dose, my hpta still running, im only doing 50mg every 3 days

[@bookerman16]

Sub Q stings like a bitch when ever I do it. IM so much easier for me

[@FlaberrGasted-ru3bj]

Thy shot Im painfull and mobility were garbage sub belly way better

[@matthowell8985]

I'm pinning once a week. Half-Life of testosterone is about 8 days. I don't understand why you would want to pin every other day. Do you feel better by pinning every other day or are you just chasing numbers on paper? Not trying to be an asshat, I really want to understand.

[@xTHATSFIVEx]

How do I convince my doctor to give me a script?

[@ryanweston9677]

xTHATSFIVEx you have to get blood work that shows your Testosterone levels are low. You can’t just go into your PCP and just convince them you need it.

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Find a TRT clinic

[@sashachip]

@@EntrepreneursInCars or go to Mexico, lol!

[@torqueofthedevil8145]

If you're doing SQ go with Cypionate as it's less viscous so lower chance of getting lumps

[@TILLEYJS]

I have videos of my experience on trt. Cracks me up that the same shit on yours is on mine (comments). Fix your diet. What's trt. How do I find a doctor. Injecting is too hard. Etc etc. Fuck people are dumb and lazy. I've been on trt for almost 3 years. Titrated down to 80mg a week. 770 in 7 day trough. Best thing I could've done.

[@EntrepreneursInCars]

Bro science

[@TILLEYJS]

I misspoke. 100mg a week. Got 770 total test results. Dropped to 80mg. Just got my results. 330 total test. So back up to 100mg I go.

[@jupenau123]

Is it always a sign of girl having feelings for her ex, regardless of in what Manner she speaks about him on? Eq. Talking positive or talking negative about him

[@ironsidesaz]

I raised my T by almost 500 points using DIM. Took about 3-4 months, blood tests confirmed. One capsule everyday. It gives some people headaches but I'm good with it. I don't go high 100-150mg capsules.

[@ironsidesaz]

Also if you do T replacement, look into pellets, slow release over time, about every 6 months

[@bgdaddysmooth7713]

EOD injections is overkill for enanthate. The same mg done semi wkly is all you need. For IM anyway. Not sure how sub q works.

[@bc9086]

Some people who need trt are sensitive to it. Im one of them, but im sensitive to most meds honestly. After my research, im switching from 180mg/week split into 2 doses IM, to 180mg/week split EOD sub-q to see if I can prevent the spikes and valleys I get even from trt. I tried lowering my dose to 140 and keeping the same IM protocol and I lost some of the good effects that I felt at 180. So I'm hoping that switching to EOD will help with that on my labs in 8 weeks 👍. So believe it or not, EOD administration with cyp or E is not pointless if you're one of the ones who has unwanted side effects. Like this gentleman said, there aren't a lot of studies done on the comparison but im noticing a lot of people trying it on themselves in their HRT program and reporting an improvement in feeling and/or lab work.

[@bgdaddysmooth7713]

Bryan Conlon an exception doesn’t disprove the rule. If you’re feeling better by all means continue. I’m speaking generally. Btw 180/wk is on the high end of what conventional doctors will give you. If you go to nu male clinic they’ll ramp up your dose. Again I’m speaking generally, most guys feel even better at higher doses in the 200-400 range

[@nc.n952]

Yo

[@yugihlh]

He’s not in a car lol

[@yugihlh]

Natty Bumppo thank you 🙏🏾

[@channel-cq5ic]

Lmao

[@toadamine]

I feel optimal at about 2,000-2,500 total free and 50-60 Free... 🤏🤷‍♂️🤣 I quit for a week and a half before my last test and was still 1,500 and 43.... told the doc i forgot to not take my dose on test day... and now i quit for two and a half weeks before my tests... i feel like im 24 again, im 43... 😂 Before i started i was down to 160 and 1.2... when i was a kid i was a porn star.. literally... id have sex all friggin day... still not that sex drive back. But dont want it either, once a day is plenty .. but before the TRT is was maybe once a month... I had so.e testicular issues (Hydrocele, and Vericele) and surgery to correct them, but it seemed to massively reduce my sex drive and testosterone production.