Introverted or Extroverted Attention

[@luijsderoth8835]

Omg, that concept alone, helps me soo much in having much more conscious empathy for and process what all the different types are going through! Like I can see all of their attention needs as being so much more valid, but also just type programed specific now! Thank you enormously for this Dave and Shan! You guys are doing so much for the world with your work here, saving lives! (Helping me doing my fuckin Demons of seeing the Tribe's perspective, so yeah I feel so grateful lol) I definetly see how people of your same "attention seeking pattern type" can be very therapeutic buddies in that only they actually understand what you're going through to their core (not that the others can't recognize it). While the other types seem to disrespect it in a sense. Like yeah having ONLY people of similar types to triangulate with in your life can be unhealthy but there is still that therapeutic aspect there with them. I see people of similar types as our "work colleagues" in that they are your same ant hill role buddies. Can be competition in one hand but also therapeutic and striving together for the same goals in the other. Like let the SC do their deep processing/research thing together and the PB battle it out in the open together. But yeah you still need to open up timed out spaces for moments for doing your opposite attention seeking pattern, to let out steam/load and avoid ulcers/emptiness and balance yourself out and health up. And having a partner of the opposite type definetly feels like finding some good complementation in a relationship in your life. I can see how types more to the extremes of the spectrum have a harder time overall and are seen as more weird/hard to deal with in society and opposite relationships between them (Karen and King Throne) can be seen as weird, or, "not relatable" because they are away from the middle of the spectrum of how relationships are "supposed to look like". Even tho the stereotype of the FF SC skinny husband and MM PB robust wife is a thing, those kinds of partnerships are still seen as "outside the curve". The MM PB male and FF SC female or two males versions are sometimes looked down upon, I think because of perceived overpowered gender dynamics (yet they are still so present in history). I recall Oprah feeling weird about Tony Robbins and his wife Bonny's chemistry together, as an example. But this pattern definetly seems to have correlation with the polarities and maybe especially with the Animal Polarities like Shan commented on her being MM-Blast and therefore having Karen traits even tho she is more on the "I'm Offended -P.A. Patty" side. Just to complement to what you guys already said of the spectrum, I see those patterns generally in: SC or CS or FF = "Please me!" CP or SB or MF= "Attention to me!" PC or BS or FM = "I'm Offended!" PB or BP or MM = "I'm being Attacked!"

[@anonymouslearner2454]

Nice take. But could you explain why is the modality of Sensory function a contributing factor to introvert/extrovert attention? (Like I can see why the modality of Oe & De would be affecting)

[@berkaytugrel]

YOU GUYS SAVED MY LIFE !

[@Darren_S]

Lol

[@FionaA17]

How lol

[@berkaytugrel]

@@FionaA17 I found out my personality type's patterns and I try to get out of it.

[@berkaytugrel]

@wooh I'm an unicorn

[@A____B]

@@berkaytugrel infp?

[@panijazz]

Peterson's quote at the end is so real.

[@eiliyakhalaf9022]

Omg ..I finally got my type after replaying your videos for about three times thnx 😂😂❤

[@kr-666]

It's so hard to take this in and internalize is because I had no idea it was even happening, I think I have Di and I'm listening to this like "I do what?" I also think I'm C/S and so on a side note I'm also wondering why the hell people are always so goddamn busy?

[@CaveyMoth]

"Please me" just makes me think of the opening song for 'Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid.'

[@dew3968]

Billie Eilish - Happier than ever = the transition between "Please me" and "Pay attention to me" So introverted in the begging, so extroverted in the end (taking responsibility)

[@blakewood2755]

Can anyone help me understand what Dave means in 5:15 - 5:30? What does it mean he mistakes his "sleep" for "consume"? And thats its last?

[@tan6458]

Hi Blake, sleep last is the missing animal in a person's function stack. When Dave mistakes sleep for consume, he's thinking he's in his introverted world. Introverted world has to be consume And sleep because you're taking in what's going on in the outside world and processing it in your mind. If you Only consume, you're not processing it. If you Only sleep, you're just in your head. So let's say Dave is watching a video about ponies, as he's watching he's thinking 'yep these are horses and they have funny tails' ....little does he know that this isn't a video about horses, it's about donkeys. But since he was in his head (sleep), he didn't bother to take in the audio of the guy saying "here are these donkeys" or the video clearly showing donkeys. He didn't consume. Hope this helps

[@blakewood2755]

@@tan6458 Hi Tan, thanks for your explanation. I'm INTP operating with functions but i don't know the animals. I have very high Ti and Ne on cognitive function tests. That's what I know - could you explain the animals in mbti terms? How would my animals work?

[@tan6458]

@@blakewood2755 Well animals is something that's been added to this typology by Dave & Shan. You could think of Carl Jung as daddy typology with the original 8 functions -- MBTI as adding another layer with the 16 types -- and Objective Personality as discovering the animals Within a person's four-letter type. If you type yourself as Ti-Ne, that would make your first animal Consume. Extroverted observers (Se or Ne) + Introverted deciders (Ti or Fi) = Consume (SeTi or SeFi or NeTi or NeFi) And this would just be your first animal, a function stack contains 4 animal combinations!!!

[@blakewood2755]

@@tan6458 ok, and how do i tell I'm in my consume function, and when I'm in sleep or blast?

[@TheMkoose]

Finding Dave very relatable today 😅

[@Pabz2030]

"I would rather be hated than ignored" - Said no INTP ever

[@aljakobsson]

Very interesting. Definitely relate with CP/S to clownish attention seeking that even feels a bit needy.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

Same 😂

[@danad401]

Dang!! That’s accurate!!

[@piratealeks6865]

You’ll probably never see this but it would be hilarious if you did a breakdown of the recent Rogan video with Sadhguru (ESTP vs … maybe INFJ but I’m not sure)

[@SeyaLaru]

If you’re a sleep first intj with masculine Ni & Fi does that mean you’re on the ”please me“ spectrum?

[@someonerandom713]

Unless you're a SB/P(C), yes.

[@anonymouslearner2454]

^ right. Unless Consume last or Sleep last. According to their definition of introverts : kzbin.info/www/bejne/noi8e2msbLR-jbc . So savior Di introvert is on "please me" spectrum.

[@luijsderoth8835]

@@someonerandom713 I see SB even with Play-last as fitting very much on "Pay Attention to Me!" aspects in conversations. Especially if also M-De. So there are a lot of parts to consider but I think the 2 Savior Animals can weight more there than the last animal type, especially if the polarities also contribute to it.

[@mokari9268]

Karens: fire breathing dragons.

[@broadbandtogod]

Fire breathing chihuahuas

[@anonymouslearner2454]

Maybe savior Di's introverted attention also has to do with getting attention from self? almost like there are two selves - one is demanding to be pleased and the other is working to please the demanding one?

[@anonymouslearner2454]

Also, I'd rather be ignored than hated 🤔

[@tikapuspitapsb4]

Oh god ur comment is so good haha. I found it as "control" energy to be balance.

[@anonymouslearner2454]

@@SailorSiFi That makes sense. (⊃ •́︿•̀ )⊃

[@anonymouslearner2454]

@@tikapuspitapsb4 How does control energy play into this ?

[@tikapuspitapsb4]

@@anonymouslearner2454 how to say, umm.. the one need to be pleased, but it is still on you, yet the other is working to please the demanding one, and that would all happens under only ur control, that is what I am digesting.

[@alfie8645]

What is Ryan gosling’s type?

[@ItsCjhoneycomb]

This video was really well explained

[@Imaginethat1069]

Anyone know where that last clip of Jordan Peterson is from?!

[@A____B]

THEYYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@HexagonSun990]

I LOVE BO BURNHAM

[@myheatgoesboomboomboom1655]

Im an intp and im a ppl pleaser i hate that about myself

[@antipunt1]

Karen with a *GUN* 😱

[@yanival8760]

I'm still hating life over here. I still don't get it lol it don't matter how much I try to brain all this.. all I get is a big headache and frustration.Im a mad at myself Karen 😩

[@HexagonSun990]

Is the I'm offended de feminine?

[@missnellie33]

No. Shan has masculine De and she's an "offended" type. The "offended" De energy comes from having an extraverted animal last (Play or Blast), so the person is more introverted overall. The "Karen/SJW" De energy is from having an introverted animal last (Sleep or Consume). Hope that makes sense.

[@luijsderoth8835]

@@missnellie33 i definetly think the polarities have somewhat of a weight in the equation. Like yeah Shan is more on the "Im Offended" side but she still has a Karen to her because of having MM-Blast.

[@georgecataloni4720]

@@silentseeker3579 With Consume and Sleep in the top 3 Animals, a person's inner world is easily accessible. So, instead of interacting with others, they are able to be comfortable not doing so. So, when there's a problem with others, the introvert will be able to, and often prefer to, wait for the other person to take initial positive action to resolve the conflict.

[@simpletomash]

Di is?

[@wTurtwig358]

Introverted Deciding/Decider, so either Ti or Fi; represents the needs of the self. Di stands in contrast to De extraverted deciding (as Te or Fe), which considers/adheres to the tribe’s needs & judgements (before oneself) You may want to check out some vids here if you’re generally unfamiliar with OP specific terms: kzbin.info/aero/PLWefbotJmUuxOZKxQ9Mj-qdbuEiDvBm14

[@simpletomash]

@@wTurtwig358 thank you

[@Oilofmercy]

What's the male equivelant of a Karen? Hmmm . Genuine question albeit nothing to do with this upload!

[@luijsderoth8835]

An Abusive Albert

[@chronomirageYT]

Seriously tho, the Di vs De (as well as Oi vs Oe) thing in this video makes so much sense that I feel like we can discard the traditional Jungian functions at this point. Imo, people's Di is a mixture of Ti and Fi, and their De is a mixture of Te and Fe. I think that makes sense because nobody's identity is purely emotion or purely logic. And the EJs will use both Te and Fe to help others. For example, I'm INFP with my Di being a mixure of Fi and Ti in a maybe 60:40 split, because my identity envolve both feeling and thinking. That doesn't makes me an ENFP, because my main struggle is still Self vs Tribe. I'm playing this "please notice me game" all day everyday, (look how I just wrote an "essay" right after the video is out hoping people can notice me). Same with De, the ESFJs aren't just going to bake you cookies, they will help you find jobs if they can, that's why they has to have some anount of Te in their De as well. Remember how Shan wonderfuly express her empathy towards Ukraine last video, I don't think that's the demon Fi, rather that's the Fe part within her Oe savior.

[@basic-decaf]

That wasn't empathy in the last video. It was demon Fi. A perfect display of classic demon Fi from an ENTJ where they do something Te rational and Te mainstream and Te practical to get Te views on their Te channel.. to address an insecurity that others might view them as bad people (Fi). She has done this many times. It's an obligation to deal with her own Fi insecurities in a Te way. It's cringey and doesn't feel authentic, because it's demon Fi. And she knows that, she knows it's a stunt. You saw the over-the-top make-up. It was about her image, and they made sure to get it on video. It wasn't empathy. It was the equivalent of putting a black square profile pic up for Black Lives Matter. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@chronomirageYT]

​@@basic-decaf But she was almost crying. Idk, it's authentic enough for me. Maybe I'm just too naive?

[@basic-decaf]

@@chronomirageYT Watch some body language analysis videos and you'll see what I mean.

[@luijsderoth8835]

@@basic-decaf I mean, it wasn't Fe, but wouldn't it still be a Fi form of empathy? At least what can be viewed as and what is used for Fi empathy in society, like you said with the Black Lives Matter support signs I dont think body language sign manuals are going enough into considering the whole Human Needs thing, like the specialists in it that try to stick to scientific methods tend to not go far in much deeper psychological interpretations of it because they dont want to discredit what it CAN deminstrate. Yeah they can tell Di insecurity but tend to disconsider other sides to it that I think that Human Needs and Spiritual Needs of Growth and Contribution account for. Like yeah it can be drmonstrated that she was triggered into it from a place of Di insecurity but she is still, even if artificially, accounting for Fe what are some emotional consideration that can fit what the Tribe Needs at the moment (srry Shan for exposing you so much here lol).

[@luijsderoth8835]

@@basic-decaf In fact if you wanna get "based", they talk about in their classes how the type's alpha states are by artificially (yes, there is a need to being "fake", like will you fucking accept it and grow up already) doing your First Human Need with you Last Letter of you last human need. So for Lead Te's like Shan, it would be Fe, for Lead Fi's, it would be Ti, for Lead Ni, doing artificial Si, etc. Cause if you are stuck with just your functions, you're gonna stay stuck in some reocurring problems that are gonna cause a lot of trouble and crash down on you in huge life tidal waves if you keep them unconscious by just wanting to stay stuck in just your functions. That way you can keep GROWING parts you dont have and CONTRIBUTING to the world with them.

[@imetal16ddin1]

Are you guys ever going to release groups photos of each personality type? If you get permission? Does eye size have anything to do with personality?

[@tommylecter3117]

Eye size has everything to do with genetics.

[@theimposteroak]

i would say if you have femine savior Fi as a consume sleep or even sleep consume you also could be a karen or another form of attention seeker. i would say that Joker is a MM Ne/Fi CS/P(B). It makes even more sense, when we know that most criminals are MM savior sleep and blast last. And the world view joker has is a Worldview that savior (especially lead) sleeps do have or at least their life is based on that worldview. But even if dave & shan are right, then just because its a fictional character.

[@lindsayboss7522]

Love your videos so insightful! Curious about your Enneagram types & wings? Do you know your Enneagram types, Dave & Shan? Obviously OP is a better system! 💗

[@chronomirageYT]

Do they read comments on youtube?

[@someonerandom713]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5bEaYaXntN8aNE

[@mjfanta1915]

I don't know if you've stumbled across this info yet but they are not believers in most systems because they feel other systems are subjective and untrackable.

[@abel8735]

Please me and pay attention to me. Sounds like sub and dom hahaha

[@Universal_Cymbol]

Seriously, at least say what "Di" is. Having to go look up your abbreviations is a huge annoyance to trying to just listen to your topics. Use your own terminology, but at least give a quick definition of some kind. Is Di single decider?

[@luijsderoth8835]

By Di they mean Introverted Decider (in a Savior [natural, automatic, comfortable use] state)

[@arstneio5753]

Go watch their old videos and learn the definitions or sign up for their classes. Stop whining.

[@anonymouslearner2454]

kzbin.info/aero/PLWefbotJmUuxOZKxQ9Mj-qdbuEiDvBm14

[@Universal_Cymbol]

@@luijsderoth8835 Thanks

[@Universal_Cymbol]

@@arstneio5753 Many of them do the same. Use acronyms without at least just saying, "Introverted Decider". Not everyone follows every single video. If I write a paper and I use an acronym, I spell it out the first time. I don't expect you to look it up, especially if I made up the acronym. I don't think it's the wildest request to bring up to them to consider.

[@sweetbeecherie]

I'm just coming from one of your classes and I love ya'll but Shan has bad cop energy.

[@sweetbeecherie]

You were so mad at Snowden. You/Dave said the anger is coming from having seen that personality/predicament recurrently. Are you blaming over exposure to Ne & Double Deciding? LMAO. Being critical of the state is valid. Vital! At this point, ~sorry!~!