VOID GRENADE Damage Testing Update [Destiny 2]

[@IronworkerGaming]

Currently working on the Arc Grenade damage testing refresh. If you can think of any additional information that would like me to include, let me know! 🍻 📣I forgot to include the full infographic at the end of the video, so it is available in the channel's community section. kzbin.info/door/Hw0efaFmh0g33xPXNEqHmQcommunity?lb=Ugkx9UqetPDimMEuuHWwCefGlieVwSvvYjrX 📣A few errors spotted by COURT... • Suppression's effects do affect Minibosses; in the video you state Suppression's effects aren't applicable to Bosses and Minibosses and while that is true for Bosses, Minibosses (with the exception of Barrier and Unstoppable Champions) also become non-combative. - Speaking about Suppression: not mentioned in the video but I thought I'd also say here that Suppression knocks Miniboss and Boss Hive Lightbearers out of their Supers, and also strips the new Bane Combatants of their effects while suppressed (e.g. Drain Bane stops draining; Mines Bane do not drop mines if they are still suppressed on final blow). • Echo of Domineering (and Facet of Command) only reloads from reserves your current readied weapon (the one in your hands), not all weapons as mentioned in the video. • Vortex Grenades do pull Minibosses towards the center of the vortex providing they are in range

[@OsmarienBub]

May I suggest the Lost Sector in Europa, the Vex one where the boss is a massive hydra with a skull 'logo'(?) at the side of its name, for the purpose of testing things on a more stationary ish boss tier enemy? Though, the 'cons' of this Lost Sector is, I don’t exactly know if there’s any major enemies in there if you were to extend your test between enemy tiers.. not to mention, extra effort to count for all the total damage and the ammo/ability instant recharge that the raid banner rally provides… also, the boss is mainly stationary (..ish), but it can also teleport too.. Though, it may be good just to see a hypothetical scenario where all the damage hits, to count how many dmg instances done (such as, in this case, the void spike damage ticks count) perhaps? Idk if it’s possible, in practice. Once I can try out a quick test to this, maybe I’ll get back to you. All is well tho, you’ve done your due diligence with a high degree of excellency, imo. Cheers to that, and take your time, and enjoy! Stop and rest, whenever you feel like it \o/

[@IronworkerGaming]

Sounds good! Swapping to a target that isn't constantly on the move would provide a better onscreen picture of the damage being applied, and I'll see what can do to include a theoretical max damage for each grenade going forward. 👍👍

[@OsmarienBub]

Best of luck, and may you find the least troublesome way of testing! \o/

[@CrazyxHops]

I think if you are going to see the damage from the Chaos Accelerant variants of the grenades, it would have also been useful to see the Controlled Demolitionist damage of these grenades. It's easy factoring weakening with math, but it's harder to calculate having volatile effects applied to every proc the grenade deals. Coming from a titan, Controlled Demolitionist can make a big difference in damage, and people might want to know what those damage averages look like.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@CrazyxHops That is a very fair critique. I'm currently getting my Arc Grenade video ready to go, but after that I may go back and get a quick video out to highlight the damage with Controlled Demolitionist. 👍👍

[@davidsiua3003]

I have been playing d2 for roughly 2000h and never tested the grenades damage You're truly a hero

[@IronworkerGaming]

Haha! Glad to hear that I could be of service! It might not be the most interesting subject matter, but I've always though it was nice information to have. 👍🍻

[@richys4013]

The classic answer to that kind of statement: "Just 2000?" XDD

[@davidsiua3003]

@@richys4013 exactly 2607h

[@richys4013]

@@davidsiua3003 thats a lot yeah, but this game is like a black hole for our time hahahaha

[@Mr.Weirich]

I know this testing was rough, and the editing wasn’t quick and easy, however, this was a very nice video and I really did enjoy watching it. You got my sub.

[@IronworkerGaming]

I really appreciate the subscription man and I'm happy to hear that you enjoy the video! Testing heavy videos can be a bit dry, but I did my best to keep it at least somewhat interesting. 😂🍻

[@whiteou7.]

wow the devotion and effort you made for this video is insane. Really appreciate the work.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! Collecting the data certainly isn't an exciting process, but hopefully you can put the info to good use! 😁👍

[@EngineeeeerGaming]

Just worth noting Carl from the Nessus Lost Sector isnt actually classed as a boss. You can't compare numbers between him and the GoA boss

[@IronworkerGaming]

Indeed. It's generally never a good idea to cross check damage across targets with different tiers. 👍👍

[@TheCourtProjects]

Love these videos! Just some minor errors I spotted in the video: • Suppression's effects do affect Minibosses; in the video you state Suppression's effects aren't applicable to Bosses and Minibosses and while that is true for Bosses, Minibosses (with the exception of Barrier and Unstoppable Champions) also become non-combative. - Speaking about Suppression: not mentioned in the video but I thought I'd also say here that Suppression knocks Miniboss and Boss Hive Lightbearers out of their Supers, and also strips the new Bane Combatants of their effects while suppressed (e.g. Drain Bane stops draining; Mines Bane do not drop mines if they are still suppressed on final blow). • Echo of Domineering (and Facet of Command) only reloads from reserves your current readied weapon (the one in your hands), not all weapons as mentioned in the video. • Vortex Grenades do pull Minibosses towards the center of the vortex providing they are in range.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ayeee! Thank you very much stopping by, and it's great to hear from you! I always appreciate having the watchful eye of Court on my content to ensure accuracy. I'll be sure to copy your notes into the pinned comment so nobody misses them. Hope you've been well! 😁🍻

[@TheCourtProjects]

@IronworkerGaming No problem! Keep up the great work. :)

[@ShadowNemesis575]

​@@TheCourtProjects that bit about the banes is going to be EXTREMELY useful for some of the more annoying banes like the void guys sucking the soul outta you from a football field away.

[@OsmarienBub]

“Void Grenade damage test” Ah I wonder how is he doing.. “…8 minutes ago” *NEURON ACTIVATION*

[@IronworkerGaming]

😂👍🍻

[@Heavenly_Heal]

If you do solar testing, don’t forget the Thermite grenade’s pulse can ricochet off of walls at the right angle

[@Heavenly_Heal]

Likely doesn’t need testing, maybe to see what angles it happens at, but at least mentioning it does ricochet would be great.

[@Heavenly_Heal]

Oo or maybe it deals more/less damage if it ricochets

[@scottbarrett1149]

Warlock main here, this was a very informative video. Nice job! Thank you for making this video. I need to go redo some builds now, lol.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Always great to hear from a fellow Warlock, and I'm glad that you enjoyed the video! 😁👍

[@masterofnone453]

My biggest take away from this is that spike wall needs a massive buff. Another huge drawback that was mentioned was that the grenade itself can be destroyed, cutting the duration short. Enemies dont target the grenade but I noticed some aoe effects seem to work. When I was trying spike wall in onslaught, the cursed thralls would often take out the grenade. You can position the grenade around this and yes it does have the largest area but its maximum damage should be a higher than vortexes compared to where it is

[@IronworkerGaming]

I agree. Void Spike doesn't seem to be a popular grenade, and I'll love to see some changes made to it that could make it an option that is worthy of more consideration. 👍👍

[@SuperChaos002]

Lot of hard work. Thank you for doing all this. Suggestion: I'd love to see a summary of the different grenades and their damages at the end of the video (something like Aztecross does). It would help those who don't have time (or patience, lol) to get the summary and be informed.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@SuperChaos002 Ahhhh!! I had the full infographic compiled and forgot to add it into the video! 🤦🏻‍♂️ I'll get that posted in the community in the channel's community section as soon as I can. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@SuperChaos002]

​​@@IronworkerGaminglol it's all good. Thank you.

[@XzarkahnTheSlayer]

God you have no idea how much I appreciate your videos. I honestly consider your breakdowns and testing to be the most thorough and in depth testing, and essential part of deciding how to fashion builds. Thank you for your work and keep up with the great videos!

[@IronworkerGaming]

I really appreciate that man! I do my best to get all of the tangible information in the videos. Sometimes it doesn't make for the most exciting content, but knowing that people are able to put it to good use is why I do it! 😁🍻

[@XzarkahnTheSlayer]

@IronworkerGaming dw about making it exciting. The straightforward and understandable structuring of your vids is what I come to this channel for 👌🏾

[@surtr2538]

Little tip for void spike and thunder grenades, their latching ability can be a bit buggy but if you know what to do it is possible to actually stick these grenades to certain enemies by wedging them in the hit boxes. My personal favourite is wedging thunder grenades under Carl's chin.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ohhh! I don't know if I've ever pulled that off before, but I'll definitely have to give that a shot! 👍👍

[@canews8971]

I take appreciate these videos. Thank you. Please do for all grenades and test all subclass abilities and cooldowns. Awesome stuff

[@IronworkerGaming]

I'm really happy to hear that you enjoyed it! I'll definitely be working through the rest of our grenades, and we'll go from there! 😁👍

[@reedwojo7858]

Once again I am going to claim that void 3.0 ruined chaos accelerant. Thanks for the updated info IG

[@IronworkerGaming]

While I don't hate the concept of Aspects changing a grenades functionality, it does feel like Bungie could have done better in this case. When compared to Touch of Flame or Touch of Thunder, Chaos Accelerant does feel a bit underwhelming. 👍👍

[@bakupcpu]

Again another long period of test you did for us!! I really appreciate this!! Cheers

[@IronworkerGaming]

😁👍🍻

[@TragicChaosx]

Always love the videos, brother!🍻

[@IronworkerGaming]

I really appreciate it man! Always great to hear from you! 😁🍻

[@BahamutBreaker]

Superb video! Provides great information and solid analysis

[@IronworkerGaming]

I'm really happy to hear that you enjoyed it! 👍🍻

[@DIGSFBBAWTDHY.8540]

Yeeessssss! I loved these videos, and I’m SO excited to see an updated version so we don’t have to do all the math from the patches and updates. Great work, hope to see more!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Glad to hear it! I hope the info proves useful, and I'll have more grenade videos inbound! 😁👍

[@EngineeringDruid]

I think if two minor updates happened to the void spike it would be my new favorite: allow it to stick to enemies like the tripmine grenade or hunter prismatic grenade allow it to be immune to volatile explosions and Echo of Expulsion explosions, the grenade basically self destructs after only a second if Echo of Expulsion or Controlled demolition is equipped

[@IronworkerGaming]

Those would be some really nice changes! It can be a very good grenade and that would alleviate some of it's usability issues! 👍👍

[@cesarzavala66]

Tus videos son de los más informativos y de los mejores hechos dentro de esta comunidad, eres una referencia muy buena siempre que necesito información de algún tema relacionado con el juego, muchas gracias por la dedicación y el tiempo que pones en estos vídeos, I wrote this in Spanish so you know you're helpful to all destiny community

[@IronworkerGaming]

I really appreciate the kind words and the support. It's always great knowing that there are still players out there that appreciate the time, effort, and information that I put into them! 😁🍻

[@WeissM89]

The spike grenade would be my favourite if the geometry of this game wasn't so wonky. I just use vortex on my warlock and suppressor on the other two classes.

[@pirate_duck4985]

What's funny to me! As you mentioned lots of different utility between different Grenades. I use my Grenades differently across all 3 Classes tbf so I'm interested to see what comes out on top! My Titan? Scatter with Controlled Demo & a Throwing Shield. Add in a Destabilising Rounds Weapon? Purple Assplosions everywhere! Warlock? Almost always Vortex! Although I will admit Scatter with Nothing Mannacles can be very fun! Hunter? Depends on what I'm doing in PVE! Voidwall + Smoke wombo combo is amazing for add clear & works pretty damn good with a Gyrfalcons Build. Vortex is still probably the go to for harder content. Do you plan on doing these for all the classes? Im using Stasis a LOT for the last couple seasons. Glacier with Shatter? Duskfield with Renewals & the Grenade Aspect gives you slow + the big crystal for shatter. Wonder what a Stacey Turret would do if you left it to do it's thing!?

[@Heavenly_Heal]

3:39 run to the other side of the Crystal and stick the spike on it and then run back around and hide

[@Heavenly_Heal]

Also, did they ever fix it destroying itself with Controlled Demolition?

[@Heavenly_Heal]

I mean charging the scatter grenade makes it pretty tho

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@Heavenly_Heal Ahhh! I didn't even think of that. That could have worked a lot better! I'm not sure regarding the self destruction issue though. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Heavenly_Heal]

Axion Bolt is definitely made to be paired with ways to make the enemies it kills explode in some way

[@TheLittlestBark]

Great breakdown. Loved all the info.

[@IronworkerGaming]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😁👍

[@Sin526]

I personally like Scatter grenade on Titan, but Warlock definitely goes hard with Vortex and Contraverse.

[@paultanthony]

New video idea … after completing all elements take the highest damage grenades and add verity x5 in the last video - use Carl and have fun with it 🙌. Thanks as always for putting in the time for educating the community

[@IronworkerGaming]

Absolutely man, and you're quite welcome! Giving all the winners a chance to show what they got with Verity's would be a fun video! 👍🍻

[@grim4924]

Damn I like damage testing videos like this. Cool video :)

[@IronworkerGaming]

Glad to hear that you enjoyed it! 👍🍻

[@gamerprodigy107]

Very small bit of info but needed for some player: supressor grenades can take lucent lightbearers out of their supers. You can also do this to player but i was trying to keep with the theme of pve.

[@IronworkerGaming]

A very good add to the conversation!! 👍👍

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

An easy buff for axion bolt in pve is just always make it drop 2/4 seekers if there is just 1 guy and have them all track him

[@IronworkerGaming]

I'd love to see it! I don't think that would put the damage out of line given the long cooldown, but would add a ton of value to the grenade! 👍👍

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

@IronworkerGaming oh yeah it wont make it a top grenade in damage but it would just make it better than it currently is

[@orpheon9603]

As expected, Vortex is the most consistently reliable, especially if you're rocking contraverse, as you can get get two ticks of the hyperspeed grenade regeneration. Honestly that's kind of a pity, I'd love to see scatter grenades get a little more love. If only Chaos Accelerant still boosted damage; nothing manacles could be really cool.

[@IronworkerGaming]

I do miss the days when Chaos Accelerant provided a damage increase! I like the concept of having an Aspect functionally change the grenade, but I've always felt that Bungie could have done a little more with the Void options. 👍👍

[@thesweeper8141]

Thank you for your excellent video and information.

[@YoHester]

I actually watched this video from a couple of years ago last night because I was wondering if I should swap off scatter grenades to the void grenade lol (for hunter PVP but came across the other video and watched it out of curiosity lol)

[@IronworkerGaming]

Haha, nice! Glad that I could come through with some updated numbers for you! 👍🍻

[@ivi_lDgaming]

Since your last video I always use void wall nade because was doing the most damage 😅, can be use for damage and also add clear

[@IronworkerGaming]

Great to hear from you man! I do love using the Void Wall. It's a finicky grenade, but it definitely is strong! 👍🍻

[@Moar9]

Nice vid. So i realize how much testing would probably suck but i gotta ask, how about prismatic(the thing everyone/I am/is using)

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! My plan going forward is to work through the "standard" subclass grenades which should give insight into the Prismatic options, but I certainly will have a look at our Transcendence grenades as well. 😁👍

[@WeissM89]

I remember some time ago the scatter grenade particles collided with each other and exploded before hitting the enemy. Did Bungie fix that?

[@IronworkerGaming]

It would appear that they did clean that up a bit! I do remember the Scatter Grenade being wildly inconsistent a while back, and it seems to be preforming much better now. 👍👍

[@iceorangutan]

great video, does contraverse makes scatter that much better compared to this? cause it's really popular

[@IronworkerGaming]

Functionally...nothing changes with the grenade. You can reduce it's cooldown by using Contraverse, but I personally never found it to an exceptionally strong pairing. 👍👍

[@ShadowNemesis575]

I will die on the hill that aspects should meaningfully change the way you play a subclass and all aspects should have the potential to have more than 4 fragments in a build. With that being said.... why did bungie neuter chaos accelerant?! I know its been this way for a while and yes itstizzle dropped a solo gm run using CA with contraverse holds recently but that says more about his knowledge and skill than it does about how helpful the aspect + exotic combo is. Seriously look at exactly how little the aspect helps your grenades and it STILL MAKES SCATTER GRENADES WORSE OVERALL! this is without considering prismatic warlock basically gets everything good from the void aspects (minus child of the old gods) without even being restricted on your second aspect choice or exotic because transcendence is built in and you have plenty of ways to regen your abilities. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[@IronworkerGaming]

I really wish that I could. Compared to the other Aspects available in game, Chaos Accelerant does feel very uninspired. 👍👍

[@ShadowNemesis575]

The sad part is it wouldn't take much tweaking to make it worth picking but bungie has made a habit of leaving certain aspects in a worse state for the worst reasons. Look at what happened to sunspots. I still get a lot of fun out of playing Destiny but the issues in it are glaring, and I don't understand what they gain by leaving them the way they are.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@ShadowNemesis575 I hear you. I feel like Bungie has always prioritized "new" even when they'd be better served taking a breath to rework or fix issues. I know we get the periodic tuning pass make some older assets more relevant, but I can't believe that nobody at the studio has said "Chaos Accelerant kind of sucks. Maybe we should address that." 👍👍

[@ShadowNemesis575]

​@@IronworkerGaming exactly

[@randomguy51090]

Charged axion with the fragment that makes enemies explode on death is good for ad clear but the pvp nerf to the cool down ruined any pve viability of that nade

[@IronworkerGaming]

It was sad seeing it's usability in PvP cut down a while back (although maybe justified 😂). I'm with you in the fact that it can do a pretty nice job for add-clearing if you play into it! 👍👍

[@linhnguyenthai872]

good video at always, keep up good work :3

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much, and will do!! 😁👍

[@ITheNameless]

Damn, 3 years later I can finally update that old screenshot I have from grenades.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Haha, yeah, it has been a bit since I did the last batch of grenade testing. 👍🍻

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

When you do solar, could you look into tripmine with Ahamkara? And arc skip grenades with.... what is that hunter arms that power up skip grenades? Oh! And lucky raspberry for arc as well. I'm just curious on what the boosts are under what conditions and what not if you would please.

[@IronworkerGaming]

While I don't think that I'm going to get into testing out the various grenade boosting exotics in this series, perhaps I could make a video after the fact highlighting all of the class specific options. 👍👍

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

@IronworkerGaming I think that would be cool. Break down of all the grenades, then another breakdown of exotics effects with said grenades. That could make a few episodes I think.

[@J.Starkweather]

"Bungie did make an effort to improve upon (Scatter Grenade tracking)" is the equivalent of adding the barest sprinkling of Parmesan cheese to a huge plate of spaghetti. Who's programming these things? Dennis Nedry from Jurassic Park? Without the fantastic tracking of D1 this renders Nothing Manacles next to useless.

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@J.Starkweather Hahaha, right!? There is certainly some room for improvement on the charged Scatter Grenade.😂 As a whole, I do wish we saw bigger benefits from Chaos Accelerantl. 👍🏻🍻

[@Krispies_]

I might be mistaken but cant you just stick enemies with grenades like the lightning grenade and void spike for maximum dmg ?

[@IronworkerGaming]

I do believe that the Tripmine on Solar is the only on that can pull that off. The Lightning Grenade and the Void Spike just bounce off. 👍👍

[@pancakegod666lol]

it's a damn shame chaos accelerant isn't worth using anymore after it's damage buff was removed, worst grenade aspect ever, none of the other grenade aspects need to be charged for their special effects to happen

[@IronworkerGaming]

I do wish that Bungie would take another crack at Chaos Accelerant's functionality. Maybe it's just due to the fact that it was the first Light 3.0 Subclass released, but it does feel rather underwhelming, especially compared to the other two grenade boosting Aspects. 👍👍

[@gavinhazan1415]

Just a word of advice if you have the extra person to help you but Templar would probably be a better test as he doesn’t move if your buddy is standing on his TP spots. Might be helpful if you haven’t done the solar and arc vids yet

[@IronworkerGaming]

Very good point! Even if I did sick with the Oger, I could always use Templar to get a better read on the more inconsistent or directional grenade options. 👍👍

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

Just unlocked foetracer/gyrfalcons for my hunter. Start combat with a void grenade kill. Gives you volatile and ×4 damage. Add in stylish executioner and devour and its gonna be ridiculous.

[@whoneedbag5264]

Void wall probably cooks Raneicks, gonna try that out next time I play

[@urezzz]

It probably does, but then you'll lose star eater nova 😔

[@IronworkerGaming]

I have tried it out, and I think it works pretty well...?😂 It's a pretty chaotic damage phase and tough to get a solid read on things. Like urezzz said though, it is hard giving up a Star Eater class item. 👍🍻

[@EngineeringDruid]

I am actually surprised that the base magnetic grenade can hang with scatter grenade and the average base vortex

[@flingza1798]

Is there a difference in scatter with accelerate or with manicles

[@IronworkerGaming]

The only difference is Nothing Manacles allowing for 2 grenade charges, but as far as the grenades functionality, they are the same. 👍👍

[@jibley2182]

This channel rocks❤

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much!! 😁👍

[@tylerlloydboone]

Grenade Damage Testing let’s gooooo

[@IronworkerGaming]

It is a mind-numbing process, but I've always thought it was interesting to see how they stack up! 😁👍

[@jimmymoye5042]

Can you do transcendent grenades? It's

[@IronworkerGaming]

Absolutely! I'll be sure to include them when I cover the Prismatic Subclass! 👍👍

[@cubs1345]

Well, i might just use void wall instead of vortex with controlled demotion and undermining lol

[@empiyrr2133]

I’m surprised void wall did so much

[@IronworkerGaming]

It is a sneaky strong grenade! It does have a high probability of "misbehaving" but it can post some good damage numbers! 👍👍

[@SlimeyZockt]

Charging still does no extra damage :c

[@IronworkerGaming]

It was a sad day when Bungie took away the 20% damage boost. 👍👍

[@Sheikah_Architect]

V O I DDDDDDD