Is 12GB of GPU VRAM Enough For The Latest Triple-A Games?

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[@tpate123345]

Turn down my settings? What would my kids think of me?

[@Leomann88]

what kids :)

[@SugarDad]

Alex the kind of guy who thinks everything Nvidia does is perfect, dude is willing who blame the whole game industry just to protect his precious company lol If Nvidia kept selling you 8gb cards until next gen Alex would think it's fine you just have to lower settings to lowest until the game looks like mash potatoes

[@anub1s15]

@@SugarDad but he does point out a way that is already being used to poke at nvidia, i've seen people do the same card different vram comparisons and yes nvidia screwed the consumers in the long run with quite capable cores that are starved for vram unless you start spending 1K+ at this point i'd probably be aiming for a 16gb card just in case DLSS gains more awsome bell's and wistles for free (if you exclude the memory usage hit which if you have 8gb...yea it works buuuuuuuut........ya probably shouldn't use it)

[@petrlazar5240]

Unfortunately, some engines are very stubborn when it comes to VRAM allocation these days. I was recently tweaking texture quality in Immortals of Aveum and it seems to do jack shit.

[@thezx5795]

"Games have settings you should be comfortable turning some down" 🤣 Oh I can tell some people aren't going to like hearing this

[@wingman-1977]

Agreed. People have this mindset of playing games maxed out. You’re leaving performance on the table doing that. DF, HUB and countless tech tubers have shown that’s the case.

[@9hamos8]

You two do not, I do. I do not accuse you of anything. I sadly have to a lot of times, but as I make it clear, I hate it. People want what is the best possible and that is natural. Settling for whatever is left is why we still have capitalism. The modern possibilities are cut from the people, while people ofcourse as it is natural want to have the best possible that the very people - the working class created and developed. Nothing wrong with that, everything wrong with the opposite "philosophy".

[@jonas_bento]

"Me PC Master Race. Me not accept settings below Ultra."

[@noobbotgaming2173]

@@wingman-1977 And people have this mindset of 6-7 year old GPUs should be able to play titles at high settings when the GTX 10-series cards struggled with titles at release ie I remember AC Origins/Odyssey struggled with 60FPS on 1080p. Same with RDR2. I think the quesion behind the question is more like "are cards with low VRAM outdated in every way?" I say absolutely yes.

[@silentlore2458]

@@noobbotgaming2173 I've seen people say black myth is badly optimised because it doesnt run on very high or cinematic on a gtx 1080 lmaoooooo

[@pf100andahalf]

12gb vram is fine until you run across situations where it's not. Gpu's over $400 should all be 16gb. This has been obvious since a few years ago but the reason they aren't is so that you'll spend more money. These companies care about their shareholders, not you.

[@TheShaunydog]

100% this, consumers should be outraged by company greed. Or developers should stand up. 12gb min 16gb standard 20gb+ higher end gpu's. 8gb vram or less doesnt belong in pc world anymore its causing issues and will cause a lot more too come

[@djam7484]

@@TheShaunydog 10gb is more or less out the window now 2. moving foward i would not get anything but 16gb as a minimum..why there are still 8gb cards is just stupid.

[@TCRIPE]

Daniel made the big time! Being featured on DF!

[@Zenzuu]

He was already being mentioned before on DF in one of Alex’s videos last year.

[@__-fi6xg]

id say its the other way around tbh, who even is digital foundry

[@breadone_]

he’s such a whiner lol

[@-kingofsaiyannappa-9057]

For gaming??? Probably a couple of years. For rendering naked girls on Daz3D????? NEED MOARRRRRRR NOW!!!!

[@Dhrazor]

1:12 If I recall correctly Daniel Owen has a video exactly on that. A 4060Ti 8GB vs 16GB. And yes, there are a number of games that are already VRAM bound at or over 1440p. if you aren't upscaling too hard. But even then if you go over VRAm th FG is messed up and can't be used...

[@shayanali8771]

Things get more worse when you try modding games like skyrim or fallout. If you have installed alot of mods, you will be vram limited with 12gb vram, while the card without this limitation is more than capable to perform with 4k settings

[@ResilientME]

@@shayanali8771 Funny how Skyrim STILL maxes out VRAM 13yrs later with a couple mods. I remember trading my gtx570 for a 6970 to get that 800mb extra for mods the year it launched.

[@evilzinabyssranger5695]

NO. Hardware unboxed did the test at 1080p and with all turned ON (like very high or ultra + dlss/fg + RT) theres 1 game that get exactly 12 gb, a few get to 9 to 10 and the others keep it to 8 gb . In 2016 i bought a rx480 4gb and most games doesnt got even close to 4gb. 8gb nowadays are WAY LESS future proff, than 4gb in 2016 and 2017. IN FACT its programmed obsolescence. Its a BAD DEAL. And put more memory doesnt make the card more than 20% . i bet that from 8 to 12gb its like 10 to 15% at BEST . But they want u to change the crap sooner.

[@adriancioroianu1704]

I always find it funny when this discussion appears like "is x vram enough" and the problem is always put in a way that is meant to sound urgent and devastating, but every single time the arguments in the form of proof for the matter are incredibly niche (like 1-2 games in very specific circumstances, usually max settings without using any alleviating measures at hand). Like the absolute objective of any gamer is nowadays to play the game at absolute maximum settings available no matter the style or genre. It's this shift towards a more console'esque mentality where any level of tinkering and playing with the hardware is pushed and pictured as some kind of peasantry and undesirable is what annoys me, because in fact its educational, can be fun for a lot of people and in the end of the day it makes you smarter and aware.

[@djam7484]

@@adriancioroianu1704 some settings can be turned down..but stuff like raytracing..no one wants to turn that shit off in most titles as it has a massive effect on the graphics. and that is what eats up ram like nothing. if there was no such thing as ray tracing, 12gb would be enough no doubt.

[@charmingpeasant9834]

Graphics dont get monumentally better anymore, but hardware requirements are going through the roof.

[@OldManGamingGuru]

Sounds planned huh almost as if they keep their ears to the comment sections, they have the money, they are elite, it’s a master race two years tops $2500 minimum entry for low settings.

[@a11ergex6]

example of this is look at videos comparing GEN 8 games (example deathstranding meant to run PS4 looks decent still ) vs Gen 9 games that using this "Ultra new tech and physical based rendering, but look worse and bland and run at worse fps - also they have so much dithering effect i feel im editing the game in Blender/Maya vs playing the games coz of lazy TAA plus Upscalers that have been slapped on as optimization fix for lazy developer optimizations for their own engines etc.

[@ZalvaTionZ]

​@@a11ergex6PBR has been a thing since 7th gen.

[@albert2006xp]

@@a11ergex6 If you don't think games look better than 5 years ago you legit don't have eyes or your PC is really old and can barely run the games. Also TAA isn't on if DLSS is on. DLSS does the job of an AA too.

[@a11ergex6]

@@albert2006xp Sup. Some games on some engines look great and are optimized example games like Doom+Hunt showdown. but DLSS is just an upscaler as ive mentioned non-native rez - DLAA (is the AA solution which is decent) not the same as DLSS.

[@MSXGRYPHUS]

*looks at my 1660S Haha, I'm in danger

[@Darkell64]

Do you know what's really frustrating? Your GPU chip is powerful enough to run games on ultra, but it's held back by limited VRAM! We've seen CPU and GPU bottlenecks before, but this is something else-it's like the GPU is bottlenecking itself! Seriously, WTF? This is the biggest trap I've ever seen. They know exactly what will happen to their mid-to-high-end GPUs when they release a new series. NGREEDIA knows exactly what they're doing...

[@MiraPloy]

VRAM is just 1 spec out of like 5 possible ones you can look at, for example TMUs, ROPs, Bandwidth, CUDA Cores, Clocks, etc (now we even have RT cores and Tensor cores). There's no need to hyperfixate on one, and the reason why I think people love to talk about VRAM is because it's the only one on the box lmao. You're always going to be bottlenecked by something, and it's illogical to prioritize VRAM over any other bottleneck. If you have a lot of VRAM, you can say, well the VRAM is large enough to run games on ultra, but you're held back by cores. See how pointlessly circular that would be? The only thing that makes sense is to look at the average impact of all the specs on the final game itself, but more realistically a list of games, instead of trying to dissect each spec. Oh wait we already do this, it's called the GPU game benchmark done by every media outlet. Just look at the average speed of the card and buy the one that's fastest in your budget. Hardware Unboxed really made people stupid.

[@Clutch4IceCream]

I play everything maxed out on a 3080 TI and have 0 issues at 3440x1440

[@arenzricodexd4409]

​@@MiraPloygood point. Even if we got exessive VRAM gamer will still going to find something else to complain like "they give us boat load of useless VRAM when the issue is the gpu itself not fast enough to utilize it". Because this is exactly what happen 10-15 years ago when AIB offer more VRAM and people take it as a marketing ploy to trick people into buying those gpu.

[@MotoCat91]

As someone who once ran triple 660ti in SLI (total 1.5GB VRAM) to drive a resolution of 7680x1440 (8000x1440 accounting for bezels)... I think you'll survive That's 39% more pixels than 4k Currently have a 10GB 3080 and a single 55" 4k display, though I mostly play in cropped ultrawide resolutions, not full screen - and the only time I've even had a VRAM warning was recently in Forza Motorsport which panics and says I'm over budget when I pass 80%.. never came close to actually maxxing out though

[@ranjitmandal1612]

🔥

[@TigerTT]

Most of the latest 2024 AAA games aren't even impressive enough for me to rush out and buy a new GPU lmao.

[@batvenio3533]

Agree 100%

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

biggest reason why i have yet to upgrade from myy 3070ti

[@mint3]

reminds me how I rocked with my 4770k and gtx 1070 until 2020 lol

[@Bjorn-f5l]

Yep im still using my 1060 6gb. Have yet to find a game that is worth the upgrade. Im just fine playing indies games.

[@Nintenboy01]

Star Wars Outlaws has texture pop-in with less than 16GB (or even 20GB VRAM in some cases)

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

Let be fair that game is not optimized like at all. Its a crap game anyways

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

Dear digital foundry , Daniel has a video where he tests 4060ti 2 versions and 3060 2 versions with different vram. Please check that out .

[@GameslordXY]

There is only one 4060. The 8GB version.

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

@@GameslordXY there is a recent 16 gb one if I remember. Or maybe it's 12. Have to check it up. But there are 2 variants. The higher vram variant is newer.

[@FelipeOliveira-bj6mk]

Nope, only 4060ti 16gb, there is no 4060 with more than 8gb​@@dr.sivavignesh664

[@mooseonshrooms]

@@dr.sivavignesh664 16gb you are right

[@avisso5467]

​@@dr.sivavignesh664it's 4060Ti bro

[@OllieMartinGamer]

The key setting that is limited is texture quality. Which is typically what people don't want to turn down.

[@aslmate]

I'm already maxxing out my 12GB VRAM on Minecraft with shaders

[@03chrisv]

It's amazing what turning down the texture settings from ultra to high can do for vram usage. It's so bizarre how so many people feel entitled to max out every game setting, otherwise the game is unplayable.

[@imo098765]

What isnt bizarre or entitled is expecting your $800 graphics card to run games without much compromise unless you really pushing RT

[@03chrisv]

@@imo098765 What $800 graphics card? A 4070 Ti Super or an overclocked 7900 XT are the only cards in that price range and they can run everything just fine without compromise in terms of rasterization. Even a $530 12GB 4070 can run everything at 1440p at max settings (not including RT), and most games at 4k with little compromise.

[@IrrationalCharm]

Yeah, how dare users expect to max out the settings spending 800$ on a graphics card.

[@MikeMessiah]

you sound like a nVidia representative

[@Roboto420]

Daniel Owen does awesome work. Highly recommended if you love DF's content.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

So 2 of the guys tried to kind of play off daniels findings as if he didnt test well enough, and rich, said multiple times that his video is pretty extensive and comprehensive, and they just didnt really acknowledge that, not a great DF video for this discussion.

[@BlindTrustProject]

That s not what I watched. Alex said first thing that he didn't see the video and was not comfortable commenting it beside the B-roll he had under his nose of the part on Horizon zero dawn. He stated rightfully that vram usage is a tricky question that factors many thing and that game code behave differently depending of vram amount. A game that has access to more ram could use it without necessarily displaying better texture or better frame rate. Sometimes they just cache more things. It's like a fresh install of windows would use 6go of ram running nothing on a 32go rig and use only 2go runing nothing on a 4go rig...

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

@BlindTrustProject i know what he said, but when rich says that the video is comprehensive, they should have stopped talking about reasons that would conflict with daniels findings and ask rich more about why what daniel found looks correct.

[@dusty_reaper96]

1080ti had 11 gigs vram in 2017

[@JordanJ01]

??? And? As a 1080ti owner back in 2018 it never used over 7gb maxed settings. It having 11gb means nothing it was a black sheep and had an unnecessary amount. Been seeing this a lot but it means nothing.

[@slopedarmor]

im still using my 1080ti to play baldurs gate 3 in native 4k on my oled lol

[@mauriciochacon]

@@dusty_reaper96 amd 480 8gb 2016

[@GameslordXY]

At which settings and framerates?

[@slopedarmor]

@@GameslordXY dont know the framerate but its not high haha, luckily you dont need a lot of fps for baldurs gate

[@hisyamudin]

Just spending 4070 Super 12GB VRAM with my kidney

[@MrDabadabadu]

Daniel already testes same GPUs with different VRAM capacity like 4060ti 8gb and 4060ti 16gb. In my opinion at some point GPU simply doesn't have enough power for certan settings, so you are at that point reducing level of details, so some reduction in VRAM usage will go with that. 12GB cards should end at level of performance of 4070, 3080 12GB. With 4070Ti you can experience VRAM limitation before you experience GPU power limitation so 12GB can be just not enough at later stage of life of that GPU. 3080 10GB and more often 3070Ti 8GB are great example of this. So 4070Ti was from the start "too little" for 200$ over 4070. Later they replaced 4070 with super for same money, so yes it can be OK because it was not 800$. Match you GPU price with VRAM capacity. Sometimes it's obvious where to stop or where to add more money if necessary and skip for example 4070Ti. People be smart with your money.

[@GameslordXY]

16GB 4060Ti should still destroy 8GB version when in 4K 8GB version massively runs out of VRAM. It's also fantastic card for content creators in VRAM heavy apps.

[@foxx8x]

@@GameslordXY Yh but whats the point if both are running below 40fps anyway regardless of the difference

[@clockworklegionaire2135]

@@foxx8x This

[@BastianRosenmüller]

But how often do you encounter this. 99% of games dont even use more then 8gb at 1440p and you can just turn down the settings a bit. What is the problem? A game will look the same with high textures compared to ultra textures.

[@Papito208]

the 24gb on the 7900xtx has me sitting comfortably

[@nimaarg3066]

What I've seen lately is that max settings look very similar to medium-high yet run much worse. Star wars outlaws and ghost of tsushima are great examples.

[@Mr.Thicket]

I got 6 I guess I’m dead in the water

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

Not really use at 1080 p medium to high textures. Upscaling will also lower vram requirements.

[@puffyips]

Basically

[@DragoniteSpam]

It's been said before but I think a lot of people look at "low settings" with the mindset of what what they were 20 years ago, when turning down the settings could make the game look fundamentally different. Which, not to beat a dead horse, hasn't been the case in a while - of course you can make any game look kinda bad if you turn things down far enough, but there's a ton more space to bend now than there used to be.

[@mikedergalev]

Mid-high settings are almost like ultra but free fps plus. Everything below mid hits graphics significantly so nobody would want that.

[@AhmadWahelsa]

Some games low settings is just straight up not worth it, the texture jump is crazy in RDR2, medium texture is literally like 512, and then the high texture at 4K, there's also many games that straight up don't reflect anything when reflections is at low (no SSR), like atleast put Cubemap of the area, i'm fine not being able to see characters in the puddles

[@DragoniteSpam]

@@AhmadWahelsa Games like that are the exception rather than the rule nowadays, though.

[@AhmadWahelsa]

@@DragoniteSpam Still, the 1060 3GB could have prettier visuals if Rockstar gave an option with 2K textures, between med or high

[@AhmadWahelsa]

And also some games also have overly-simplified settings, like Contact Shadows and AO being put inside Lighting or Shadows settings, rooms and NPC faces looks uncanny when all you want is just to make shadows or volumetric effects blurrier which isn't too much of big deal

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

Black myth wukong just uses something below 10gb vram at cinematic settings. ( yes upscaling is being used but still ). It looks really good. Devs shouldn't be increasing vram requirements without improving asset quality.

[@DileeshaRajapaksha7887]

The textures are low quality despite being "cinematic" so if you look up close its quite blurry. I think DF mentioned this in a video.

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

@@DileeshaRajapaksha7887 I forgot to listen to the complete analysis in that video. But I played the game for 60 hours and there was only one instance of muddy textures.

[@matocarina]

@@dr.sivavignesh664 I played 19 hours and theres a LOT of muddy textures, specially soil

[@PeterPauls]

@@matocarina I would say not "muddy" but not as high res as other games that released in the last 6 months.

[@Slambear]

Lots low resolution textures. Especially in chapter 3.

[@jmangames5562]

Daniel has that exact video with 4060 ti 8/12gb cards. In the video referenced he shows how using ultra settings(RT, DLSS ect) "Can" cause vram issues in Some games. No need to worry like he states in the video if that guy was listening you can turn down settings to high and you will not notice a difference and have a great smooth frame-rate.

[@solanumtuberosa]

I dont even have 12 gb of ram in all the devices I own combined.

[@RogerRivera-x1x]

Its over 9000! (megabytes)

[@skycloud4802]

Don't modern higher end phones have as much now? The Galaxy S23 Ultra for example has 12 GB of RAM.

[@RogerRivera-x1x]

@@skycloud4802 He's joking.

[@electrikoptik]

You are the textbook average PC gamer. Games at 1080p or below but likes to scream "pC mAsTuRrR RacE"

[@vitordelima]

@@electrikoptik I doubt there is too much difference compared to any higher resolution if you consider the distance between your eye and the display, how your eyes can focus on movement but miss a lot of detail, ...

[@LagunaFox]

I think the bigger issue is you are seeing more and more games come out with minimum requirements of 8+ gb of VRAM, and while the steam minimum required specs aren't really a hard go or no go on whether the game will run at all, it is still good indicator of whether a game with run at a reasonably enjoyable frame rate and responsiveness. Not to mention we have Indiana Jones and now Doom as games that are requiring RT rather than having it be something you can turn on or off and the trend is very quickly heading a direction where I feel like anybody with an 8 gb VRAM card is going to start finding more and more new games coming out they just can't play. Once 8 gig cards are on the chopping block 12 gig cards are next, at least for the modern cards, how long will they manage to stay at or above minimum requirements of all these games that are currently being developed that will require RT and such? I just think that with the trend in focusing on AI, we are relying too much on software to compensate for the lack of optimization and frankly the lack of efficiency in both the games that we play today and the hardware that run them.

[@MagickPistacho]

There's several reasons why a bigger frammebuffer is necessary or, at least, greatly welcome. Graphic cards are used for productivity as much as for gaming, and many of those scenarios do benefit a lot from having 16 or 24 GB of VRAM (as well as bandwith). But even if we're only talking about gaming: mods, future proofing your (abusively costly) card, 4K resolutions, multi-monitor setups, downsampling, frame-gen or RT as explained in the video, other shaders, technologies or whatnot that could add flavor or change the experience, etc. With how much their prices have gone up, the least they could do is add more VRAM in each generation, but instead it's been stagnant for years and there's even regresion in some cards.

[@albert2006xp]

I really wish the 5000 series has a 4060 Ti 16Gb equivalent. Let us pay for VRAM. A 5070 24Gb would be really nice.

[@AnEyeRacky]

Only if you want to max them out completely, and probably not for a few years. I have a 16gb nvidia card. I havent played a game yet that required over 12gb, but definitely was close

[@puffyips]

Rust from 2013

[@AnEyeRacky]

@@puffyips cool

[@dampflokfreund]

Another tricky thing in regards to VRAM is that it might be sufficient for a short period of time, but after a little bit performance gets completely destroyed as the VRAM fills up. So basically you measure performance on spot 1, then play for maybe 1 hour and go back to spot 1 and your performance will be lower by multiple factors. I feel like that is the most annoying behavior in existence of PC gaming and not covered nearly enough. So many games exhibit this behavior.

[@JGAbstract]

Daniel's KZbin is great

[@christianhoffmann4212]

there might be a another point to consider: nvidia working on neural texture decompression. it seems to allow like 4x more pixels with same amount of memory usage other COMPRESSIONS use. this might be so impactful that the future is saved even with 8GB RAM

[@davogue]

They are answering a different question, the person did not ask what should i do if my vram isn't enough. The question was if 12gb is a limiting factor relative to a gpu that can handle the power. This video feels like i'm reading a reddit post.

[@Jerome-iwnl]

Shoutout Daniel Owen! He's awesome!

[@SnubBarracuda]

4070 Super is a good example of a card that can basically run most games at ultra settings at 1440p, but with only 12GB of Vram there are instances where you have to lower textures alone due to that 12GB limit. I think Ratchet and Clank Rift apart is one example. The GPU seems to be up to the task but only having 12GB seems to really hold it back from being the best bang for your buck at 1440p.

[@BastianRosenmüller]

so what is the problem with turning down the textures a bit? you wont even notice the difference visually

[@SnubBarracuda]

@@BastianRosenmüller Higher is better and lower is worse.

[@BastianRosenmüller]

@@SnubBarracuda Yes but A 4070 is mid range GPU you cant expect it to run everything at MAX. And i doubt that while playing , anyone could se a quanitfiable difference between High and Ultra Textures.

[@SnubBarracuda]

@@BastianRosenmüller Well mid range but it's over $600. And at 1440p that's basically exactly what you get, epic settings for the most part across the board unless the Vram is insufficient. So you really don't make any useful point. Also, I think almost everyone can tell the difference in texture settings but you. Please, just stop.

[@BastianRosenmüller]

@@SnubBarracuda Please read carefully, I didnt said that there is no difference in texture settings i said that there is almost no difference between High and Ultra in Most games. Even DF said that in this video so i doubt anyone would see the difference between High and Ultra Settings in Games and i doubt that you can. But anyway i have a rx 7700xt which has 12 gb of Vram to and i never run into VRAM problems. I think people are really overexaggerating. 12 gb of Vram is enough and if it wont be in the futur just turn down Textures a bit.

[@Shahamood-y9t]

I have a 3070. For games like Control, there were so many texture pop-ins and stuttering because VRAM wasn't enough (I was playing on 4k DLSS). And this game came out in 2019. I think 8GB is only good for low spec gaming now

[@Gamergodgric]

I think it's ok to turn down your settings if you have to. As time goes in just keep turning them down until you upgrade/build a new P.C. I have a series x and I dint think I'd notice the difference between the series x and a maxed out P.C.. to me the lines are blurred and hard to tell the difference between graphics. Even the different between the ps4 and the series x doesn't seem crazy. I played farcry 6 on a ps4 and if didn't look insanely good. But it didn't look bad considering how many trees and plants there are in the game.

[@2MichalChojnowski2]

This VRAM drama was totally to be expected, hit the lightest way ever, but made the biggest noise. VRAM requirements jumps used to come with games from next gen consoles and we have seen it already two times. E.g. ten years ago all Kepler cards (ALL!) year-two after their launches lacked VRAM when maxing out PS4/X1 games. And now people complain about 2020's or even new mid range not being able to max out textures or additional features meant for high end cards like ray tracing and FG. Thanks to youtubers making clicks on hating Nvidia/AMD and "being on our side" when people just bought themselves cards short on VRAM.

[@MrJonas7]

Interesting it's always Nvidia lackign VRAM... People so much love Nvidia, but they're the ones making this mess. 8GB 3070, 12GB 4070 Ti that costs 800USD... Advertising features that you can't even support with this VRAM size. Idk what it'd take for people to stop buying those things. I myself got a 3070 because during the shortage I got a good deal, but the lack of VRAM is terrible, both for professional workloads and gaming.

[@2MichalChojnowski2]

@@MrJonas7 AMD historically used to give more VRAM, but sometimes with some their disadvantages. 3070 could be considered as short VRAM on launch, so you should know the risk. You also should know that ~2 years after launch of new consoles next gen games land bringing big jump in VRAM requirements. So already short on VRAM 3070 was just sentenced to lack VRAM then. You should know it all, so it's just your fault and lesson ;)

[@MrJonas7]

@@2MichalChojnowski2 I knew it, as I said it was the best buy at the time. Otherwise all my other cards except one are and have been AMD. The next one probably will be too. At least 3070 was a $500 card, not $800 like the 4070Ti.

[@albert2006xp]

@@MrJonas7 AMD might offer more VRAM a bit earlier in their product stack but overall it caps out about the same and you get all the missing features that come with an AMD card. So unfortunately we're just down to praying Nvidia give us VRAM or AMD somehow catches up to features.

[@MrJonas7]

@@albert2006xp I've been pretty happy with AMD feature wise. I try to avoid upscaling if I can, and ray tracing hasn't really convinced me plus you still need vram to use it... AMD has also had the better driver software for many years now.

[@mrfilcritic]

Just bought a zotac 4070 super a week ago, so this video seems relevant to me.

[@zlibz4582]

10 gb is minimum for any gpus nvidia should give from now on 16 gb is the recommended for mid tier , 24 gb for high tier, games are utilising them and lack of vram puts stress on system ram and you can observe the ram usage , there should also be a 3D v cache version for nvidia gpus if thats possible , a integrated m.2 gen 4 slot behind the gpu mobo is also highly needed forward that fast storage access

[@djam7484]

Vram is everything..the more you have the better you are because once you go over your cards limit...it becomes a complete shit show..

[@unrealdevon]

They really cheaped out on the vram amount on the 30 series and they continue the same trend on the 40 series. You shouldnt need to get the most expensive card to get 16gb or more.

[@vac59]

Nuts that the RTX 5070 will drop with 12GB. There is already a gimped 4060Ti out there with 16GB. why release so many RTX features with limited memory?

[@PeterPauls]

We don't know for sure. I hope not. Rumors says RTX 5090 will come with 28GB (or 32GB) of VRAM depending on the memory controller. I hope they will not cut down the lower tier cards as much.

[@kevinforget549]

Realistically 12 GB will be enough for the next 4 years as long as you run at lower than ultra settings.

[@Broofsticles]

With the money you save not buying triple a games you can buy any card you want. Its a win win.

[@chrisg6454]

link to daniel owns video would be ummm... aproppriate

[@cartman20000]

12gb isn't really enough for 4k gaming that i've seen, especially if it has rt in it .

[@lehmejoun]

Diablo 4 already uses 17gb of vram on the highest settings, with 1440p. With my 3090.

[@dreddaman]

😮 damn, so next stage 5080 24gb 🎉

[@beardedshadow]

I've had a 4070 ti for about six months, and I've had no problems, although, to be fair, I don't need the best graphics to enjoy a game. I was still using my 970 until I finally upgraded only six months ago.

[@zerozeroone4424]

Personally, for about 4 years now i've only ever turned up certain settings to ultra if i can handle it, or "need" it. Mostly that being draw distance, Texture Resolution and filtering, and having higher anti aliasing. Most things like lighting, shadows, grass etc i have on medium or high.

[@abdullahzafar4401]

I went for an RX 6800m Laptop just for the 12 GB vram buffer

[@konvictz0007]

The GTX 1070 came out 8 years ago and had 8gb vram. That alone says enough.

[@shrinivasexe]

The problem is that games look pretty much the same since 2020, but the requirements are going through the roof.

[@petrlazar5240]

They actually look worse due to TAA and other image blurring nonsense.

[@ArythurDaley]

I've got 8gb GPU on a 1080p monitor. I'm NOT upgrading anytime soon

[@puffyips]

I would even want 12gb at 1080p, I’ve got 16gb at 1440p but even when I was on 1080p I used 12gb in rust

[@3ambob]

@@puffyips stop using ULTRA not every setting is necessary

[@GameslordXY]

Just because few games are a mess , doesn't mean they should serve as a guideline. At 1080p vast majority of games have no need for more than 8. Even at Ultra settings. Even at 1440p most shall work just fine. Maybe not at maxed settings , but most modern games look amazing at "just"High. Even at Medium many look very good. What was Ultra 5 years ago , today it's Medium.

[@CeceliPS3]

@@GameslordXY Not really. I had a 1080ti 11GB. It stuttered on RE4 remake playing at 1080p. That game can use up to 15GB if you have it. Thank god now I have a 4090 with its glorious 24GB. And replying now to the guy who said he is not upgrading anytime soon, that's someone who is really content with what he has. I felt like moving on from my 1080ti a year ago and you're still happy with your 8GB. Oof. Haha. But, anyway, that's better than owning a console. So, kudos.

[@albert2006xp]

Ain't no way I'm not upgrading from 8Gb as soon as a 5000 series looks my way. It has so many issues.

[@Stuke51]

Never had a problem maxing out 1440p on my 3080ti

[@Snufflegrunt]

Some games need to stop hiding graphical settings inside ini files. A lot of Unreal and Bethesda games do this. Sometimes it's with good reason, but other times (usually with stuff like FOV or DoP, which I always want at 100 and off respectively) I don't see the point.

[@TheShaunydog]

Coming from a 1440p and 3070 8gb im telling you right now these guys talking total bs. People said same thing about 3070 "8gb vram barely gets used, blah blah blah" 12gb will end up the same as 8gb. The 3070 can barely run games at lowest settings now at 1440p ive been struggling with it for past 2-3 years, bought it at launch. Massive stutter/lag fest in almost every game even in older games because most older games have been updated. (I play a very wide variety of games) DO NOT BUY 12GB CARD IF WANT TO PLAY GAMES ON THAT GPU 2+ YEARS LATER, BECAUSE WITH BETTER HARDWARE COMES MORE DEMANDING GAMES! PC GAMERS SHOULD BE RAGING AT COMPANIES WE ARE TURNING INTO 60 FPS OR LESS GOOD ENOUGH CONSOLES FROM 2008, WE SHOULD BE GETTING 120 FPS + STABLE.

[@__-fi6xg]

VR is also a big vr eater, you can make it work with 12gb but it would be not enough for raytracing at the same time

[@walkthebrokenpath0]

Not many games use vram aggressively its Nividia's RayT DLSS and frame gen eating it up and lower end cards need those features more but they release with less VRAM lol make it make sense.

[@nerdedkyle3515]

Daniel has done a cpl video on this subject you guys should definitely check them all out. I know some game allocate ram but not use it all

[@Audfile]

Df, if you listen to them talk about PS5 Pro, it should be a 32 core, 4090, with 64gig ram for $199. Because DF are geniuses and Mark Cerjy is an idiot.

[@TheMutchas]

They did not answer the Question: Is the 4070 Ti the new 3070 regarding VRAM problem?

[@eliadbu]

Different story, the 3070/3070 TI performance and target resolution was clear it will be a problem, as 8GB cards were the norm since around 10 series (released in 2016). 12GB are just becoming the norm, I guess their are good 3 years maybe 4, you will be able to play 12GB at 1440P with relatively high texture/settings - assuming the GPU itself will be able to keep up.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

Sad thing about the 3070 is at one point in time it may have cost more than the 4070Ti, my 3070 cost me $759 after selling my RX 5700 for $700.

[@CeceliPS3]

Cyberpunk with Path Tracing and a few other games are already going a little over 15GB of VRAM. People are talking about 12GB, but I wouldn't even want to be stuck with a 16GB. Gotta be thinking on the games of tomorrow. I got a 4090, my first GPU with 24GB and I don't think I'll ever go back to 12 or 16GB.

[@LordMuzhy]

I have a 4070 Super and it’s got 12GB but I think I may upgrade whenever the 5 series comes out, maybe a 5080 or something

[@CeceliPS3]

@@LordMuzhy Unless 5080 brings anything new, I'd still get a 4090 or an used 4090. The 5080 is probably gonna have a similar performance but without the 24GB. If you'll go for the 5090 for the 24GB, that will be way more expensive than 4090 was.

[@LordMuzhy]

@@CeceliPS3 that’s very true, I’m kinda hopeful that the 5080 will have more GB but do you think it’ll still keep the 16GB?

[@CeceliPS3]

@@LordMuzhy that's for sure. 16GB. If they make the 5080 20GB, then the 5090 with 24 loses its prestige.

[@LordMuzhy]

@@CeceliPS3 maybe they’ll make the 5090 32Gb or something crazy haha guess we’ll see what happens

[@darthmolester]

only ray tracing and ue5 title will have issue. game not built around ray tracing will be fine 1080p high. not max but high. if vram an issue just lower to med texture and will be fine.

[@RiasatSalminSami]

If it was 12 GB for a 300$ gpu, I wouldn't be that bothered. But those low end gpus are 8 GB, and higher end expensive gpus are 12-16 GB. Barely acceptable for the price.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Definitely need 16gb

[@luke_ok_goot]

I have 4070 super and all latest triple a games run 4k for me and doesn't need more than 12 gb vram

[@esmith2k2]

I dislike hearing “you should be comfortable turning down settings” as a response. If my card has the power to run at acceptable frame rates with ray tracing, frame gen or whatever, and the only thing holding it back is the VRAM capacity, that is absolutely, 100% unacceptable to me. My card’s raw performance should be the limiting factor, not The cheap VRAM that they have been skimping on.

[@NextNate03]

I am still rocking with 980TI. Which had 6 gigs. I am still happy with it. With that being said, I don't realy buy brand new AAA games on PC. Most of my PC games are older.

[@nikolygtx8848]

One of bigger bottleneck gpu can have is Vram, and with current games 12gb is starting to look less and less relative, a lot of latest games i played at 4k, are hitting 12gb on my 7900 gre

[@walter274]

Given Unreal 5's popularity and it's memory efficiency i'm optimistic about 12gb. Even looking at path traced cyberpunk and Alan Wake, both game use under 12gb with dlssQ and frame gen.

[@DarthAndre24]

I play on optimized settings on every game on my 4070 to maximize power efficiency, most games capped at either 90 or 120hz, so it’s not a problem… unless it can’t run GTA VI.

[@rayfurtado]

Hardware Unboxed made a video in the way Alex describes, RTX 4060 Ti 8GB vs 16GB. They found out the PCI-E 4.0 can cache without compromises. But PCI-E 3.0 and 2.0 suffered perf penalties.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Probably because those 4060Ti only have x8 lane instead of full x16.

[@alumlovescake]

12gb is fine for 1080p and 1440p 16gb for games that have trash ports at 1440p and for most 2023+ AAA games at 4K MAX 24gb nice to have

[@officegossip]

Been rocking 8GB for like 4 years already lol

[@wukonggaming7568]

Bruh do your homework first that guy already compared 4060ti 8gb and 16gb and its showing that 8gb gpu is getting destroyed when the vram spills over even a little

[@stubby5510]

Still rocking 6 GB of VRAM. Works perfect for what I play

[@111-l9v]

exactly for what you play not for that what a lot of people play

[@Nix-7741]

Diablo 4 2k res max setting, no upscale, no raytracing eats 20gb vram on my 7900xtx.

[@kotekutalia]

At this point RTX 5090 should have no less than 32GB for futureproofing

[@elilopez8844]

I play at 3200x1800 or 3072x1728, that takes the sting out of 4k a bit and i get 10+ fps and lower vram, and the visuals look better then 1440p and just as good as 4k

[@anub1s15]

yea i figured DLSS would give my 2070S longer legs but these days i find myself turning DLSS off as it raises the framerate and also raises the amount of stuttering i experience as i'm assuming my 8GB of vram is just not quite cutting it anymore >.> (in forza horizon 5 and motorsport these days dlss on = warning mid race that my vram is not cutting it :( or i need to drop down to medium just to protect the vram which....sux )

[@DrJ3RK8]

Seeing as how there are no good AAA games AT ALL until the next Doom comes out, I would say it's a good bet that 12GB is fine for some time. And since id Software actually optimizes their code, it will probably run at 300FPS anyway. I would say that as long as there is a current reasonable amount of VRAM availble, the memory bus width is more important.

[@mondodimotori]

Weeeeeel... If you wanna play new games at higher than 1440p resolution with max settings, you're already over the 12gb frame buffer.

[@mojojojo6292]

A 4070 is not running those games at 4k native anyway so it's not a problem. You're going to be using DLSS balanced to performance in most cases if you want a decent framerate which brings the vram requirements back down.

[@reaIixx]

DLSS is only fine if you use quality preset. FG is just a nope

[@kevinbuchanan67]

Ram is less of a problem with cartridges

[@Sp3cialk304]

We would need a new console generation or a new way of rendering to need over 12gb at 1440p. Outside of a few ps4 games that got ported to have higher quality assets 8gb is enough for 1440p ultra. And those few outliers you could drop shadow quality from ultra to high fixing the vram issue and increasing performance without a noticable hit to image quality. I say this as someone who bought a rx 6800 because of the vram hysteria and was terribly disappointed by the fact that by the time a game was using (not just allocating) 10-12gb i was running out of raw performance. The extra vram just sits there unused on it. Using it made me understand how someone who bought 64gb of system ram feels ...

[@snakeplissken111]

Yeah, just reduce the settings on your 900 bucks GPU. Can't expect to play on high on cheap hardware like that. And you plebs with your 400 bucks product with those 8BG of VRAM that a midrange RX 480 shipped with in 2016? Sorry, that was a trap. Just upgrade as soon as you can. That said: Triple-A games are taking longer and longer to develop, to the point that franchises are skipping entire generations of hardware (GTA, TES, Fallout). There's fewer and fewer studios able to do them. There's fewer and fewer risk involved, so fewer genuinelly exciting games (Ubisoft's roster makes Marvel cinema look fresh). And quite a few games are still actually crossgen. That means Nvidia et all are still doing a HELLA job at all still selling their fridges to eskimos, er, gamers. At this rate, they really need to push it HARD in another 25 years time though. Or rather, they've realized that and have been pushing for different (AI) markets for reason. :-)

[@the100ways6]

Still crying with my 3080 10gb but i got 1 month after launch, im still waiting for a good upgrade card for a good price, maybe a 8800xt or intel battlemage ?

[@Natraj_Chaturvedi]

Yeah I can turn on Path Tracing at 1440p in Cyberpunk on my 3070 (DLSS Balanced or Performance) and I get playable fps between 30 - 50 fps with DLSS perf but after about 10 minutes, the game slows down to a sub 20fps crawl thanks to Nvidia gimping the 3070 with just 8gb!

[@kezzatube45]

Hardware unboxed did a thorough test of this already lol

[@nazaG_89]

I have 10gb, thanks nvidio 💀

[@davd7571]

I've been on 6GB for the last few years having a reasonably nice experience, just recently got a 12GB card and now everyone says its the minimum lol, wth? Id say its a developer problem overall, there's a handful of examples of recent games that have a wow, this is the future of gaming feeling, besides them most people cant tell the difference between 2016 vs today's AA/AAA games, without someone pointing out the differences, yet those older titles can run at high setting 1440p and not break 8GB, meanwhile we also have 2023/2024 titles with nearly equal amounts of texture detail and world size but studio baked engine vs public school Unreal request drastically different demands to the system, depending on the dev team in question of course but there are many comparison's that should give us all pause,

[@Physics072]

12 GB is fine with single and double A games. Is also great with Quad A and Hex A games there is a bug that wont allow it to play Triple-A games well. Sorry.

[@jackbrown6788]

How long before they make a AAA game worth buying?

[@petrlazar5240]

As Oliver correctly mentioned, 12 GB VRAM should be fine for this console generation because it's a memory target anyway.

[@ineedyoutostop]

Part of the issue here is this stupid desire from gamers and even game reviewers, to showcase games at the highest possible settings. In so many games you can get 90-95% of the visual fidelity with lower settings, while getting MASSIVELY higher frame rates. Yet everyone just worries about ultra or cinematic settings and proclaim how 12gb cards are dying or 8gb cards are dead.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

8gb cards are not dead. I have a 144hz 1440p monitor and an rtx 3070 that has served me just fine. I play at high settings and the worst i may have to deal with is 60fps. Pretty much if you have a gpu that can severely outperform current consoles, you're set for a long time, tho PC elitists will scream that everything has to be 4k @ 120 ultra for some goofy reason..

[@Manganization]

It's more about how games are now asking for more VRAM while offering very little. This has nothing to do with gamers or game reviewers. You have cards that can run said games but don't have enough VRAM to do so, and that's because the focus is often on consoles with their shared RAM and PCs are left to deal with these conversion issues. And if it's not a port, it's because the devs are developing for the highest card available, then downscaling. That should not be the case. Minimum settings should be exactly that, and recommended settings should be exactly that too. In the case of Wukong, recommended settings can barely run the game.

[@vitordelima]

The games should have something that could test for this, for example what is the proper resolution fo textures (which is easy to determine), what combination of upscaling and native resolution should be used, ...

[@snakeplissken111]

If the next batch of 300 bucks "entry level gaming" GPUS (RX 8600 / RTX 5060) still ship with 8GB VRAM, they're not gonna last long, even on Full-HD. It's as simple as that. We've seen games requiring a minimum of 8GB in 2022/2023 already (Jedi Survivor). Midrange cards such as GTX 1060 and RX 480 had 6-8 gigs almost a decade already. For reason. People also seem to suggest that it is acceptable to lower multiple settings on 900 Dollars GPUs such as the RTX 4070ti from day one. I think it's not unreasonable to point out that this is a bit of a stretch -- even in the "modern" GPU market. It seems people have totally forgotten where it was coming from, with GPUs even costing significantly more than 500 being a total minority for more than 15 years -- and all of them being high end solutions with no compromise (even the lower end had variants with as much VRAM as the high end solutions). At the same time, if you don't like this, don't buy it. It's the only power you have. It's not as if games would ever disappear. And they're also not ageing near as fast as they used to.

[@hflx]

12GB is enough for now what about the next 2 or 3 years? You should never think about the current AAA titles but about the next 3 years I would say. I'm a happy 3070 8gb owner , less than 3 years and it could run most of the games as soon as you turn on textures and RT, some already use 10gb or more so I think 12GB is the min and consider at least 16gb if you dont plan to buy a GPU every 2 years.

[@waiwai5233]

Few years? How about this year?

[@40Sec]

Nvidia definitely deserves some flak for some of their 40-series choices, but I still guarantee you that by and large, their 8-10GB cards from 2020 are going to be less constrained with modern features in today's games than RDNA 2 fare. AMD didn't choose higher VRAM options on their cards because they cared about consumers, they did it because the rest of their hardware couldn't compete.

[@GuiltySiNz]

DF Pocket Protectors are asking the wrong questions, like how many gamers are even playing in 1440p let along 2160 with all setting enabled not many, who turning RTX Direct Lighting, Raytracing, and Ray Reconstruction? lol, they talking about the 1% 12gb and 1080/1440 your fine. Guess they need something to talk about lol. 4090 and i still dont check all those boxes in some games because it too much of a FPS hit at 2160p.. just because i like to chill a solid 90-120fps/ on the Oled TV. Aint no way im playing at slow ass 60 just to have RT/RTXDirect light and Ray reconstruction on nah im good.

[@willianjohnam]

And here am I with the 10GB RTX 3080 playing everything on 1440p and wondering: "If 12GB is not enough then I'm cooked"

[@BastianRosenmüller]

you are completely fine