Is 8GB VRAM Enough for a Gaming Laptop? (8GB vs 16GB)

[@JarrodsTech]

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[@typerightseesight]

8 feels like plenty to me but ive not had more.

[@gervin3447]

Kingston KVR32S22S8/16 16gb 1x16 3200mhz Teamgroup DDR4 RAM Elite 16GB 3200Mhz Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200MHz CL22 Which ram is better? Planning to upgrade my HP PAVILION 15

[@Hbha-x9l]

Thank you. Please would you make a video for the best laptop for architect in 2024 .

[@tbe1872]

Human eye can only see 4 GB of VRAM.

[@411sponge72]

🤓😁

[@Proximity94]

lele

[@isaacsanchez8658]

Exactly.

[@karikaru]

Lol

[@Jakiyyyyy]

And 128-bit of memory bus. 🤓

[@dtymnn]

Me with 4gb in 2024 ...

[@firstname4337]

yeah, still running a 1050ti on my lenovo y530

[@you-5-iver804]

I have 4 too lol on a Quadro P2000 Laptop lmao

[@dhirajdeore434]

Same here rtx 3050 laptop

[@PFCobsessed]

[@mutahairsajid2327]

@@dhirajdeore434 us

[@zulfika_]

Developers have become too reliant on DLSS and neglect optimization because it requires longer development time, which publishers don't want. That's one of the reasons why modern games now demand excessive amounts of VRAM.

[@sc_3433]

I think its about the current gen consoles, they have 16gb of memory

[@notchipotle]

keep blaming the developer lol nvidia will always give us minimum amount of VRAM because of people like you

[@AbyCarl-my8gq]

​@@sc_3433That 16 Gig is all the memory available. Contrast with PCs that have GPU memory and RAM on top of that. The games are just not optimised on PC

[@420247paul]

shut up, you do not understand game development enough to make such statements you just sound entitled

[@HunterTracks]

VRAM usage isn't primarily reliant on resolution, it's almost entirely dependent on texture complexity. Since the latest console gen has effectively around 12 GB of VRAM, devs essentially treat that as the baseline in a lot of cases, and just don't generate lower quality texture maps.

[@kergeiser]

mean while me with an rtx 3050 4gb vram card in my laptop- "this will work just fine"

[@RoyalGun-9mm]

"Just lower the graphics with DLSS, and it will work fine." We tell ourselves.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@RoyalGun-9mm it did until now but games like space marine 2 are now refusing to load objects unless VRAM is increased.

[@jishnujayan7324]

​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatyea it sucks,i bought it on day one but refunded it due to that. Maybe buy it one day when i upgrade it. Sm2 looks garbage in low settings.

[@cystol]

I will tell you a tale that may make you cry: Meanwhile me with gtx1650 mobile playing all the new games at exactly 27 fps

[@clashcon11]

Imagine it's the same as my GTX 1650 Laptop. LOL

[@KevinEnjoyer]

Me and My RTX 4050 with 6GBs of VRAM: *Interesting.*

[@victorangelogabriel]

have you ever encountered a game where the 4050 6gb vram failed you? I'm considering upgrading my 5 y/o laptop to a gaming laptop with this.

[@KevinEnjoyer]

@@victorangelogabriel Detroit Become Human crashed at Ultra High settings. Unsure if it was due to lack of VRAM, because High settings was perfectly smooth at 60fps

[@roqeyt3566]

​@@victorangelogabriela variety of games will just forcibly change the settings if you run out Its not a bad chip, but for new games even 8gb is not the best idea

[@Not_a_lier]

@@victorangelogabriel Aim for the highest vram capability possible especially if you want to try and use it in the future

[@xxunoriginalgamingxx9046]

My 3060 mobile has 6g vram

[@sixsixten]

Vram limitation is a part of planned obsolescence, that's why even though adding more vram is actually cheap, they wont do it.

[@shsezan6204]

I am with rtx 4050 6gb laptop. Have to stick with it for next 6 yrs (hope it lasts)

[@kenshisanki]

Me too bro

[@ys_gamer3194]

By then it will probably be in the same class as a 1050 today, 2gigs low performance,you can get a decent experience out of it depending on your choice of games

[@KevinEnjoyer]

It won't last. But It'll suffice for now.

[@gorillagroddgaming]

It will last 1 or 2 years tbh. Never buy low end hardware.

[@ABCD-rn6tk]

Will last 5 years at least. Don't worry

[@HunterTracks]

I think the reason the 8 GB laptop is usually a bit faster when not limited by VRAM may be because, funnily enough, the "larger" VRAM chips require a bit of extra power to run, which makes sustaining high memory and GPU clocks more difficult with the same wattage.

[@fleurdewin7958]

All types of RAM has timings. The lower density ones usually get tighter timings , thus lower latency.

[@JarrodsTech]

I wondered this, but at the end of the day had no idea so didn't speculate, only other reason outside of silicon lottery that makes any sense. I checked both GPUs reported the same wattage used in HWInfo in a GPU stress test before testing, I don't know if this power budget includes the memory though.

[@RobBCactive]

Actually the video ignores that with 2Gb 32bit GDDR6 modules that it is bus width that determines VRAMBL size 128bit bus cards have 128÷32=4 modules for 8GB. The desktop 3070 chip was IIRC sold as laptop 3080 so a clamshell 2x VRAM type design doubled memory capacity. Hence similar disappointing performance boosts as desktop 4060 16GB cards vs 8GB. So for Ngreedia to copy AMD and be more generous requires them to design their chips with wider busses that cost die area and pin out so are locked down early in the design. Ngreedia pushed their luck with 30' series that lead to 3070 being destroyed compared to RX 6800 in HUB re-test last year. AMD timed Infinity Cache perfectly in 2020, with forward looking VRAM allocations taking into account the console generation. But most PC Meisterrace and Tech Tubers swallowed features like ray tracing and DLSS mitigating HW having less grunt. The result of buying into all the FUD is monopolistic pricing with AMD & AIB having only risk and nothing to gain from keener price competition.

[@RobBCactive]

​@@JarrodsTechsee explanation based on bus width determining VRAM size

[@kiekeyz]

VRAM requirements are slowly becoming crazy. The new god of war tried to lock out 4GB vram cards

[@HandleIsNewAndBad]

You mean older God of War.

[@kiekeyz]

@@HandleIsNewAndBad lol. Kratos is older in Ragnarok yes. But yea they launched it with a 4GB lock and later patched it out

[@Eleganttf2]

People who only have 4gb vram cards shouldn't even be playing GoW Ragnarog tbh, hell i even question are they really buying the game because mostly people with these ridiculously cheap low end setup 90% of em uses crack games and not from Steam

[@kiekeyz]

@@Eleganttf2 lol I understand what you mean. Very valid thoughts here. I have a 1660Ti with the 6GB and I’m looking to upgrade to a 40series over the Black Friday/cyber Monday period.

[@HandleIsNewAndBad]

@@Eleganttf2 If I were to spend too much on a GPU for more, I would still download cracked games to save some money.

[@kennyalpha22]

I was just watching a gaming handheld review and one game had low vram indicator on it. That got me thinking about how much vram is good for ultra high resolution gaming and here Jarrod uploaded this video withing few minutes. 😮

[@HunterTracks]

With handhelds, the VRAM isn't the only issue. A lot of Windows games absolutely choke when given less than 12 GB of RAM, and a handheld with 16 GB of RAM and 4 GB set aside for the iGPU has less than that.

[@GHANIRVANA]

Handled consoles doesn't have VRAM. Their iGPUs use LPDDR system RAM as VRAM. Since there is no dedicated GPU, there is also no GDDR VRAM that has high bandwidth.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

4070 should've been the 12gb desktop one not this trash that we got that should've been named 4060Ti. 8gb and 128bit is way too low for 70 class

[@aymenmrb4436]

True i have one . And should be better by more vram , cuda cores , bus with ect . Congracts nvidia for scum us

[@Rexperto6454]

8GB in 2023/2024 is too low for anything besides the lowest end cards IMO.

[@justmatt2655]

Only current gen laptop gpus worth getting are 4050, 4060 and 4080. (For Nvidia anyway)

[@aymenmrb4436]

@@justmatt2655 4070 laptop have 50% cuda cores than 4060 laptop and desktop and even more than 4060ti desktop . But limited by low bus with and vram . Damn

[@justmatt2655]

@@aymenmrb4436 yes and yet if you look at real world performance it doesn't have much at all over the 4060, but is far more expensive. That's why it's best to avoid

[@Dr.D00p]

The problem with the 4070 is that it adds a ludicrous premium to the cost of a laptop for very little extra performance, especially when VRAM becomes an issue. Only choose a 4070 laptop if its been discounted to a similar price as a 4060 laptop because it's just not worth the premium. Either just stick to a 4060 laptop or find the cheapest 4080 equipped laptop, where you'll actually see a huge 50 to 60% jump in performance

[@steveco1800]

Yeah laptop 4070 has been cut down too much. The desktop cards are all 12gb. It’ll be ridiculous if the 5070 is another 8gb card (NVidia trying to upsell to 80 class for anyone who can afford it).

[@niebuhr6197]

​@@steveco1800their intention is 8 GB 5070M

[@joerussell9574]

I totally agree and got a deal on a 4060 gaming laptop for around 800$. The 4070 was not worth the extra $$$ over the 4060.

[@bigmaschineee]

why would someone buy 4080 laptop when you can build yourself pc with 4090 for almost the same price. 4080 laptop is worse than pc 4070 super. absolutely not worth it for that price range. lenovo currently selling them for 3300. biggest waste of money you can ever make when 50 series laptops are around the corner

[@joerussell9574]

@@bigmaschineee Totally agree,

[@AirGunWeb]

Any data on content creator tasks? I bought a 4080 Laptop last black friday (2023) and I use it for games and content creation work. It’s been more than acceptable. What I’m seeing here is that dropping quality and resolution is the key. Do you really notice a difference on a laptop display? I wonder how many folks are trying to run high rez ultra settings? Anyway, thank you for another useful video! Cheers Rick

[@kennytay7210]

My take, the 8GB VRAM version uses less power. So more power is available to the GPU to maintain a higher clock. Which I think is why the delta is quite small in favour of the 8GB variant until you hit a VRAM bottleneck. Or the extra heat from the VRAM may be causing the components to run slightly slower.

[@moonderland]

Back then I remember that 4GB VRAM was the minimum standard. Crazy how time flies so fast, although I'm pretty sure that pc game optimization isn't practiced as much unlike before as devs heavily rely on stuff like DLSS.

[@grumpyoldwizard]

VRAM is important with the new games. I have 16GB on my card and I thank the lord I do. Games like Dragons Dogma 2 and others would have been rough without it.

[@mars-jr5uu]

I got rtx 4080 and it only has 12gb of vram..

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

@@mars-jr5uu12 GB is plenty, you don’t need to run games at 4K on a gaming laptop

[@MrOrigin120]

You're good with 12 gb frame buffer unless you're playing at 4k maxed out with ultra ray tracing(which I wouldn't blame you, u probably paid a shit lot for that 4080)

[@TrueGold88]

For very few of the latest and upcoming scam games 10GB-12GB Vram might be needed for ultra 4K and even 1440p, 8GB should be the minimum standard.

[@starfishshimee2860]

amd support games required 12 gb vram for 1080p

[@darklord-mw7jd]

​@@starfishshimee2860amd get's low to non optimisation from game Dev's....

[@ivanbrasla]

I disagree with the conclusion here. If the card can run "Ultra" preset or not is irrelevant, as textures can be set independently of the other settings, and they do improve the presentation with practically null performance hit (with enough vram of course)

[@TheIndulgers]

Incompetence. Go watch HWU for actual testing on vram. The conclusion in this video is disingenuous.

[@revenantwolzart]

My 8GB is better than your 16GB - Apple Oh wait, what's VRAM?

[@seraphimcaduto]

If only support for games in Mac didn’t suck so bad….

[@MyTechTaste]

If 8GB of VRAM is not enough, blame the game developer. If the game developer feels that they have optimized the game, then the developer should complain to Nvidia for providing too little VRAM.If enough developers complain, I think Nvidia will be willing to increase the VRAM capacity of their GPUs.

[@kiro_luv8424]

Nvidia doesn't give a single f, they're making hundreds of times more cash from workstation GPUs

[@sir.fender6034]

They are artificially handicapping the GPU's VRAM size so that you are compelled to buy the next GPU. Nvidia is learning from their mistake of creating the 1080ti with 11GB of RAM in 2017. Great video!

[@Belbog1977]

Thank you for making this video, I was literally wondering about this very question the other day and it was very much needed

[@oriontechtips1980]

Perfect timing! I am currently contemplating this exact issue thanks for the video. Jared and I cannot wait to watch it!

[@mikehorton6433]

I've got the Aorus 15G RTX 3060 with 6GB VRAM and surprising still holds up in today's games. It manages to do games 1080p medium to high settings with DLSS at performance to quality and still manages above 60 FPS. It will come to a time for me to upgrade and I'll want at least 12GB VRAM they way games are cooking nowadays.

[@Slamboyz95]

Yeah mine with RTX 3050 4GB still capable gaming with low setting lol, planning to upgrade next year with RTX 5060/5070 for the next 4 year upgrade (skip 1 gen)

[@teddym2808]

I like having the buffer of some extra ram, not to mention when running in MUX mode so the Vram on the GPU is being used for everything. I really do feel 12 is the minimum these days.

[@masternhl]

Thanks for these comparisons as always

[@ProjectPhysX]

What sucks is that the 4070M is only half the VRAM bandwidth of the 3070M - 5 years backward progress on hardware in a single generation :/

[@dimasdwiki6146]

I got a laptop with RTX 4060 8GB earlier on april this year, 6 months later i'm still very happy with it.

[@donkeymoo1581]

A rare review of vram that actually acknowledges the fact that if you are pushing settings that use more vram in most cases you are limited by horrible fps before vram anyway. Same stuff on pc side. "I can't play cyberpunk 4k path tracing with frame gen on with a 4070 because it only has 12gb vram" No you can't play cyberpunk 4k path tracing with frame gen on because it still gets 45-50 fps. Frame gen is a fine argument for vram... But everyone on the internet including nivida them self say "it's not really worth using frame gen unless you have a base frame rate of 60 fps already" We are likely at the limit of what should have 8gb going into 50 series even on 60 skew cards because the state of game optimisation in 2024 (none existent) if you want to use frame gen you will be pushing that limit but saying 16gb is the absolute lowest default needed is beyond stupid. I would like to see 60 and 70 series be at 12gb and 80 be at 16gb because in any game that works that is far more than you would need but a friendly reminder that the most used vram gpus used in the steam hardware survey even in 2024 are 6 to 8gb. Anyway thanks for at least being a voice of reason unless most miss information amd fanboy channels pointing out if you are playing at 15-40 fps and "running out of vram" you have bigger problems than vram at that low fps anyway. Can't believe it's 2024 and people are trying to justify playing sub 60 fps like it's realistic or reasonable settings that anyone would use.

[@techstation365]

I hope you know that you can play at high settings but ultra textures? Try Horizon Forbidden West ultra textures on a 4070 laptop at 1440p vs a 3080 laptop, you'll clearly see a huge difference. Same applies to 12GB 3060 desktop vs 8GB 4060 desktop. Same happens on Ghost of Tsushima at 1440p Very High settings.

[@4ri5Gbs]

I made a Minecraft modpack that uses entire 8GB vRAM, I think it requires 12GB or 16GB vRAM.

[@nirvanaelguason7956]

in wich graphic? there is not the same 8GB vRAM in nvidia than in amd cause nvidia is much faster

[@4ri5Gbs]

RTX 4060 8GB

[@AurasV]

​@@nirvanaelguason7956Lmao

[@catfacecat.]

​@@nirvanaelguason7956 "much" 5%?

[@bld.shisuiyt7338]

Thank you for the video I've been waiting for a comparison video of 8gb Vs 16gb vram

[@masti733]

Great video Jarrod. So timely too. I literally got a Asis Tuf 17in 4070 in the amazon sale at a good price. I have been playing cyberpunk and forza. Both games you tested and i also have my eye on black myth. Seems you are a mind reader! DLSS and frame gen are amazing i think. Thebloss of fidelty is quite minor when you are enjoying a game and not just staring at walls. My previous laptop was a gtx 1060. The difference is collosal. Great to see the 4070 stands its ground vs a 3080 laptop

[@unionofslavstanrepublics2317]

13:38 Yeah that would be a fair conclusion here, GPU performance is definitely lacking when VRAM becomes a issue here with the RTX 3080 8 GB GPU.

[@srp770]

I wanted the best performance that I could get for my money and my budget was set, can't go over it. So the most logical choice for me was 2024 Victus 16 with 4060. it was barely in budget, and at that price point, had 4060 with is the first card in the rtx 40 series lineup to have 8gb of vram. anything less than that has 6, which I already upgraded from a gpu with 6gb vram, it wouldn't cut it. So for most people like me who doesn't want to or can't spend more than whereabouts of 1000 euros, we have to stick with what we can get, and on my 4060, even on some demanding titles I have never seen it max out the vram

[@gsst6389]

Stick what you get? Bs that i wont be inslave, i just invest somewhere pre- planned and save up for 3 months to get the one i actually want.

[@vshade]

One thing that I noticed is that for heavier vram games I need to close other applications, including other game launchers, so 16gb could make life simpler and I believe is not a scenario usually not tested in benchmarks but probably very common.

[@Arc-Rblx]

I love your content soo much, and every video you post has helped me a lot. And also I subscribed to you last year (2023)

[@joerussell9574]

I just bought a 4060 laptop and running CyberPunk 1080 full blast with DLSS and FG at 80fps+. In my view I don't see the need for anything above 8 gig at 1080 and like You said anything close to maxing out vram is unplayable by that point anyhow. I am totally happy with my 4060 gaming laptop for 800$!

[@Meisuko]

Thank you this was helpful video 🙏

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Been like this for literally decades as far as VRAM goes - I remember there was a trend 20 years ago where both Nvidia and Radeon were adding a 'whopping' 256MB to even 512MB of VRAM on cards that would be fine with 128MB, as they hit a performance wall long before that much VRAM mattered. Funny to see how this still plays out today with laptops but we actually have the opposite problem a lot with dedicated GPU's, particularly from Nvidia

[@lastsovietspy]

very good video, indeed I truly needed it uu

[@sebbbi2]

Worth noting that iGPUs share the memory with the CPU. 8GB shared RAM is not enough for modern games. Many AAA games simply crash at startup. 16GB shared RAM is also starting to become a problem. For example Alan Wake 2 runs out of RAM on 16GB RAM systems with iGPU randomly and crashes, even if you run it at 720p using lowest settings. It doesn’t even boot at 1080p. ROG Ally X now has 24GB of RAM to make modern AAA games playable on it. 24GB shared RAM is basically the same as having 16GB RAM for CPU and 8GB for GPU. Which is enough today (except for ultra settings in some games).

[@frowningboat8039]

With AMD now allowing you to set more of the sharded memory as vram with the latest driver, do you know if that has made any difference here?

[@vipulvirus]

The point is 8GB is saturation point today. A lot of games have started to demand 8GB as minimum VRAM (Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Survivor and Star Wars: Outlaws). The games can barely run at 50FPS high in modern GPU's. Problem is, down the line next year and beyond games demanding such requirements will increase so a future proof laptop is better off with more VRAM as you are aready standing on the lower en of the minimum requirements. Same thing happened with me when I got a Dell G5SE in 2021. At that time, games barely needed 4GB RAM and my 6 GB was beyond good. Fast Forward 3 years and I cant run those games properly as some have 8 GB minimum ram requirements so that is my conclusion. To be future ready. Not be at saturation point.

[@charlestrudel8308]

we just dont have a good alternative in term of vram that isnt higher priced than 2 000 usd. (meanwhile, my 4070 one costed 1450 usd...)

[@longcatisloooooong]

@@charlestrudel8308 and it's a problem!

[@charlestrudel8308]

@@longcatisloooooong oh i know.

[@longcatisloooooong]

@@charlestrudel8308 I'm holding off on buying a new gaming laptop cuz 8gb vram is already not enough

[@charlestrudel8308]

@@longcatisloooooong heres hoping the 5070 laptop will have 12GB, because if not, no laptop under 1700 uas will have 12 GB vram

[@BadEnd98]

I miss the day 16gb seem overkill. Probably nvidia realized that over how long 1080ti last. Seem even 8gb vram still works in 2024 and people would still buy it (me with low budget for example), Nvidia they really understand their game

[@marcm.]

7:03 there might be a slight latency difference between accessing 8 gigabytes and 16 from the memory controller. This would be very slight, and might show up by an average frame rate being slightly lower. But I think your reasoning that this is silicon lottery is more likely. Other possibility is that the cooling system on the 8 GB one just happened to be better placed when installed, you know the pasting and all that. I still think your idea is the most likely one

[@Deeptesh97]

Comparison shouldn't take entire graphical preset as ultra, it should rather test Texture quality.

[@HypnoticSuggestion]

The extra 8GB of Vram is perhaps eating into the Gpu's power budget, just enough to let the 8GB Gpu pull ahead slightly in scenarios where Vram capacity wasn't an issue. Just a guess.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Interesting, but I still prefer get a bit less fps for higher texture and smoother frametime than the opposite

[@ukraineforever1600]

Don't be a slave to ultra settings! Use high and be happy☺️

[@Reverseflash54]

ultra settings for screenshot, high settings for playing!

[@Origin_unkn0wn]

high textures and ultra everything else

[@Gamer-vs3xl]

​@Reverseflash54 try forza horizon 5 at high then ultra massive difference

[@whatisuser]

If you can use ultra today then your stuff will be more future proof though.

[@timiko4]

medium or high, but with ultra textures, they make a difference and they are mostly tied to vram capacity

[@Derael]

12-16 sounds reasonable to me. 12 will probably last for a while, but having 16 certainly doesn't hurt. 8 is barely enough for 1440p, but might need to reduce the setting a bit, and it's not future proof. In 3-5 years people who got 8 GB might start regretting it, but if you plan to replace your laptop by that time, might as well go with 8 and save money.

[@docrx1857]

I have the MSI GP66 with this same hardware combo..11800h and 3080 8GB,,,,,360hz 1080p screen....8gb has been plenty at 1080p.......... It has been a great laptop over the last couple of years and plenty of life still left.

[@mohamedmahmoudali2533]

You can always lower all the settings but keeps textures at very high which makes a massive difference to visuals compared to keeping everything on low. You can no longer do that with 8gb of vram nowadays and nvidia have no excuse given the price of 4070 laptops.

[@artlesscalamity]

Trying to buy a good gaming laptop after the holidays has been incredibly frustrating. I am aware that a 4080 card is best, but you literally can’t find a 4080 laptop any more for less than $2500 (USD) - that’s $1000 more than a machine with 4070. It’s like “mid-budget” options don’t even exist for AAA gaming now. I could wait for a 5070 ti which may be an affordable uplift, but here in the US we have to worry about whether tariff wars are going to spike electronics prices once the new government comes in… ugh.

[@muhammedozbek7492]

Thanks for video! but I want to point out Gaming laptops widely used for professional workloads or newly appearing AI stuff. and both of them are Vram hungry. so I believe we really should have more Vram.

[@vasudevmenon2496]

Having more vram is usually better if memory bus width needs to be big to accommodate the bandwidth and push more intense graphics. There is some issue with latest nvidia driver 565.90 with screen capture even with nvidia beta app is stuttering randomly

[@7lllll]

yeah, i notice laptop gpu performing similar to those desktop gpus with high vram capacity compared to the overall performance (e.g. rtx4060ti 16gb, rx7600xt). when i set effects quality to high and look at fire (particle effects), fps absolutely tanks, whereas i can crank up texture quality and render distance to max and it performs great

[@andrescarrasco1248]

As it was pointed out by hardware unboxed, 8gb VRAM will work with most games, but you'll get textures popping in and out, it won't be a problem until it is, the thing as always is that Nvidia did this stupid thing of having 4 generations in a row with only 8gb VRAM for the 70 series

[@jimmyjiang3413]

For me I would like to see laptop GPUs in most entry level to be 8GB bare minimum at 1080p, max ray tracing at 1080p would better get somehow unusual 160-bit 10GB GDDR7 when using 2GB chips per 32-bit. Things would alleviate when more later games use even more memory at maxed out FG+RT+AI-TAAU-SR+ray reconstruction, and 3GB VRAM per single GDDR7 die would come out, so eventually getting up to 24GB VRAM in flagship, 18GB in upper midrange to higher end, 15GB midrange, 12GB entry level. Maybe after years of GDDR7 I would like to see potential way similar to how LPDDR would be, eventually to make LP-GDDR for higher bandwidth-capacity density on laptops and embedded SoCs in limited power consumption and thermally constrained scenarios.

[@BreadMan434]

Meanwhile me, playing Helldivers 2 every day with 6GB of VRAM on a GPU from 2019

[@mars-jr5uu]

Heyoo

[@BixxPlays]

you can really game on any system from the last 20 years as long as you have realistic expectations. like if you just want to play old dos games in dosbox it doesn't take verry powerful hardware. all that really maters is that you keep your expectations realistic for the machine you happen to be using.

[@60DollarCodger]

talk about apples to apples with those laptops. awesome work showing the concept of 'yeah, VRAM usage on a graph over 8, but you wouldn't use those settings and play at that fps anyway'.

[@60DollarCodger]

apples to apples exists and means: 'the same' you: "nope, not apples to apples. He put all settings to the same" and yet somehow your take got even worse from there.

[@edge_of_theknife6315]

well higher vram is mostly for mixed settings like mid but with high textures

[@mikelreborn3254]

I have a 2023 Lenovo Legion Pro 5 with an i7 13700 HX, 32 gigs of RAM and a 4070 with 8 gigs of VRAM. Play at 1440p high settings with DLSS on and it works fine. Raytracing looks fine .. Space Marine 40K plays fine, same with Black Myth Wukong... and pretty much anything else I throw at it.

[@mikelreborn3254]

With my budget I couldn't afford the higher end model this was already a $1600 laptop well above my budget.. I also bought a Samsung G5 1440p 32-in 144 HZ monitor with g-sync and with the g-sync it seems like it plays just fine. Having a monitor with either freesync or g-sync helps extraordinarily well

[@mikelreborn3254]

I was going to buy a handheld but felt they aren't quite there yet...maybe here in a couple of years I'll replace this legion with one of those.

[@Eleganttf2]

​@@mikelreborn3254why the hell would you buy a 144Hz panel in 2024 and not the usual 165Hz-180Hz 1440p panel ???

[@mikelreborn3254]

@@Eleganttf2 it goes to 165hz but only through the display port and my laptop doesn't have a display port so I have to use HDMI which only supports 144 HZ.

[@mikelreborn3254]

Also it was $250 new and was the best value, between the laptop $1600 the RAM upgrade for $100 and the WD black SN850X I bought that was $200 I was maxed out..I have other bills to pay and things to buy..wish I was rich lol

[@TheIndulgers]

LOL. Laptop 4070 with 8gb vram 😂 What a scam.

[@hadifelani]

They also do it last gen with the 6GB 3060 😂

[@astroidexadam5976]

​@@hadifelaniLaptop 4070 is literally a desktop 4060 Ti while laptop 3060 has more CUDA cores than desktop 3060 despite having half the VRAM and clocked lower.

[@tabalugadragon3555]

@@hadifelani 3060 at least wasn't such a high class GPU and it was longer ago. 6GB at that time was better for 60 class than 8GB is now for 70 class. Also, the 3060m had more cores than the desktop version.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Probably depends on whats being played but realistically, if you're trying to cover everything then. No.

[@upoone]

I own an Asus TUF 2023 equipped with a 7535 and a 4050 6GB, which is quite sufficient for a 1080p 144Hz screen. I don't plan to exceed that even with an external monitor. Although there is a recently released 8GB version of the 4050, I am not considering an upgrade.

[@boiledegg-sultan8913]

Hello Jarrod, do you have a video about setting up a gaming laptop for games? + when are we gonna be able to purchase world wide?

[@dampflokfreund]

Jarrod, those benchmarks do not show the full picture. Most VRAM related issues happen over time if you play for a while. At first everything is fine but then fps starts to drop even when being at the same spots as before and you have to restart the game to get the performance back on track. This behavior is not shown in these benchmarks. 8 GB shows this behavior in many titles already even at modest resolutions and settings. 8 GB is NOT enough, especially not at that price point.

[@DansYT-lv8iu]

Hey Jarrod, can you also do a comparison on professional 3D softwares like Blender & Houdini? I’m planning on using my 4060 laptop till at least the end of college (4yrs) for 3D modeling & Rendering.

[@EliteGamingRevolution]

The 30XX series can't use NVIDIA'S frame gen but still has access to Lossless Scaling's universal/all game frame gen and also FSR frame gen in the games it's coded in by default, otherwise just use the FSR FG hack.

[@vncube1]

This video deserves a Part 2: isolate texture quality as many other graphical settings are demanding but not VRAM hungry. Educated gamers are willing to sacrifice lighting and shadow quality while maintaining good textures for higher framerates but the VRAM buffer can become a hard bottleneck. Also, is a VRAM cap possible on 4080/4090/7900M laptops? It's not exactly realistic but still could be a useful study. Then Part 3: non-gaming apps. For example, Blender Cycles demolishes VRAM for laptops 🥲

[@cobra2994]

do you think 50 series laptops be the best we have yet? seems 10-40 series laptops not too much has changed but maybe nivdia will make the greatest gen of laptops yet hopefully. What I mean by that is hopefully we see closer desktop performance or maybe even better power consumption along with more vram.... which knowing nivdia probably will get same amount of vram again.

[@Notruelazman]

I have amd's 6700s with 8gb vram and like you said because its power is limited I never play on 4k and rarely play on 2k anyways so vram was never became an issiue. 8gb vram is completely fine and will be fine for another 4 years at least if you are okay with 1080p.

[@solarr1024]

Hey Jarrod, New watcher here, all your videos are really cool and as a person that wasn't a tech guy I find it very interesting. I have a question if my budet is around 900 Euro (1000$) Which gaming laptop would you recommend? I am not crazy about ultra graphics like that so as long it looks good and runs smooth. I prefer a 16 inch screen. I couldn't care about the visual look of the laptop, just want it to preform good and be a reliable go to device for the next 5-6 years when buying it. OPen to suggestions from anybody, cheers

[@RobloxianX]

11th gen intel just gave me a crazy flashback of pre windows 11 days, damn

[@sreedhar7266]

It makes a difference in rendering works

[@elgurideparana2796]

my laptops 3050 has a lot of issues due to lack of vram, it is a big difference.

[@touhamichaoui415]

Happy with my g15 advantage edition with rx 6800m 12gb got it on sale for 1100 bucks and then upgraded it and fixed the small known issues about it play every game I throw at it 1440p high-ultra settings!

[@shakirfayaz4878]

jorrod man. Where do you get those tees man. Need a link bruv. They are fire.

[@ash85239]

Thats what i m waiting for

[@siniorbaiker]

You deserve a million subscriber for the legendary effort you make every single video 🎉

[@JimIBobIJones]

Its more than good enough. Developers target the lowest common denominator for the "recommended" experience and thats the ps5 and Xbox Series X. Consoles use shared ram so unless you are someone who needs to always max out the latest games its not going to matter for a good few years.

[@PureQuraan]

can u do comparison to laptop's gpu on external monitor vs the same gpu of desktop

[@istealmemesforfun]

I hate the fact that the laptops deals doesn't support international shipping

[@ericalev1291]

The 4070 Laptop this generation should've been a 160 bit 10GB card at minimum with the 4080 covering 192/12GB. While not perfect, it would have helped. Hopefully next generation cards increase bit bus and vram capacities.

[@CasperNova]

Me with my rtx3060 seeing it being on par with a desktop rtx3060 that has double the vram and 30 more watts of tdp puts a smile on my face😁

[@TarnishedEldenKing]

My 3050ti with 4gb still runs gow ragnarok, you dont need it but its awesome to have. I got a strix g18 with 4060 now and its way better obviously. But you can run most games on 4gb vram.

[@raihanwidodo1042]

I use a 4GB GTX 1050ti mobile, as laptop gpu goes it's an ancient technology but it does hold quite well for playing games released before RTX GPU exist

[@genuser9758]

Problem is though, you're not testing modded skyrim vram usage. Now that's what I wanna see.

[@usernamenotrequired142]

You didn't mention in the video, but other application that uses gpu acceleration uses VRAM too, and I keep alot of them open while gaming (discord, chrome, etc.) so if you account for all of that, the game itself has more or less 6gb to work with instead. This issue can be stopped if you decide to run the laptop in mshybrid mode, and use the igpu for everything else beside the game.

[@RezaAghapour]

Design and architecture of gpu is more important than the amount of VRAM!

[@IisKoKoNUT]

it's more or so the professional use case, like ML models and video editing and 3d modeling that need the extra vram

[@leeli4692]

My favorite tech youtuber.

[@ZenataUSA]

Man I really hope they don't sell 8gb 5060/5070 next gen.

[@henry-u5t]

I have bad news, it already leaked…

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

If they do it just means video game devs will have to optimize because most people buy xx60 series cards, if majority of the market can't play your games you make less money.

[@dampflokfreund]

@@henry-u5t If Nvidia pulls this shit off, the whole community of all tech related channels have to stick together to trash these products to oblivion. This would be the most obvious case of planned obsolescence.

[@henry-u5t]

@@dampflokfreund I concur, it's totally scummy. I do anticipate it happens based off of what I am seeing. I hope people really voice their dissatisfaction with it but I also hope Radeon and Intel make some good headway in laptop GPUs as well.

[@SilichipX]

There's no point having the game set to 4K on a laptop with 15" or 17" inch screen unless you connect it to a 60" inch screen external monitor. 🤔

[@JarrodsTech]

guess I'm deleting the video

[@mohamaddelkhah]

People who work on AI need more VRAM. So NVIDIA is bundling higher capacities on higher end GPUs only to exploit this need and sell higher tier GPUs.

[@iulianjercan9787]

When's the 1 hour best gaming laptop 2024 video coming out?

[@Baddmann1931]

if someone is opting for 1440p rt/max level gaming ,pc is their best bet and it very probable that the person will be able to afford both a pc and a laptop.

[@joelconolly5574]

I find 8GB VRAM to be more than adequate for 1080p gaming which is my laptop's resolution. I could go 4080s but those things cost like a motorcycle. Better off just keeping everything on recommended settings.

[@MYTHkaz876]

And here i was with my brand new 6GB vram feeling like some kinda boss

[@briananeuraysem3321]

For local LLMs, blender renders, photogrammetry, no, probably not