Is a Porsche Cayenne better Off Road than a Jeep Wrangler?

[@CarFanatic]

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[@rush4ever1]

Whoever would rather have a Jeep Wrangler than a cayenne clearly has never driven a cayenne. Jeep is so sloppy and all over the road. Maybe a tad better off road, but most of these jeeps are on the road 95% the time

[@DiaperSNiFFER]

Jeep has Daytona locking axles and e locker and low range 4x4 . It’s the better vehicle

[@jack712]

Off road tyres is what really unlocks this beast. 265/65R18 is a good size, same size as transsyberia cars. No rub on air suspension cars either.

[@rangerover06sc]

Actually open differentials will always split torque 50/50%. Even if only one wheel is spinning. What actually happens is the engine is only making enough torque to spin one wheel. And because the spin wheel has very little friction it only takes a very little anount of torque to spin. So the wheel with traction isnt getting enough torque to move the vehicle forward. By braking the spinning wheel your increasing the friction, so both wheels receive more torque.

[@OverlandTT]

My S has air suspension and sits at 11.5" of clearance in extreme terrain mode.

[@zackirstein9233]

Cool video, more offroad content with the cayenne would be great :)

[@andy92782]

Although the truck is very capable off-road, watch out for the tires. Those rubber-band performance street tires are extremely vulnerable to any kind of sharp rocks, and if you have to rely on the inflatable space-saver donut spare, you're screwed. don't even think about taking the truck on any sort of Death Valley or Mojave Road expedition without addressing the tire situation first - including the acquisition (and storage) of a matching spare.

[@CarFanatic]

+andy92782 for sure. My car is too pretty to do any serious off-roading anyway. I just love the on and off road performance. It's a bit of a compromise off-road, but good enough especially given the on-road performance. I test drove a Jeep Wrangler. While it's a beast off-road, it is quite terrible in normal driving.

[@dufonrafal]

Yep, if you take a Cayenen on 21" sport tires off road, you will have some issues, but you can put real off road tires on it, just like any other truck/SUV.

[@dimension2788]

❤Is this a 2008 Cayenne Turbo? The 2008 Turbo has all that? Locking diff,Air suspension,low range. Guess Ill have to join the Porsche Cayenne Turbo club and buy one!!!

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

Those active roll bars are a fantastic option for any of the luxury cars. It's a shame it's an option as most new buyers do not appreciate just how good that technology is.

[@outbox8951]

2:01 did you mean the cayenne doesn’t come with rear differential lock as standard?!! I think it’s comes as standard because the leavers button of the differential locks on the console had a rear light in the middle of rear differential… As you know; the “ X “ logo that comes in differential buttons in all kinds of cars is meaning for position of locks

[@randominternetuser2888]

The transsyberia edition is even better off road than the turbo. Then again I don't remember any jeeps even doing the transsyberia rally, much less winning... two years in a row.

[@CarFanatic]

+Truth needs Evidence true that!

[@binthetube]

Some turbos have PDCC, doesn’t that give it more suspension travel? I don’t think all Transsyberia have it.

[@OverlandTT]

Transsiberian edition is a redressed Cayenne S with almost no mods.

[@charchar8]

Have you broken anything yet? How expensive and readily available are replacement parts?

[@RyanHough0]

Jeeps are a dime a dozen. I can't tell any of them apart either... The Cayenne is head and shoulders nicer in luxury!

[@bagatsinguyjr]

Does the cayenne share same body with the VW Tuareg?

[@CarFanatic]

Same underpinnings but most of the sheet metal is different. Powertrain, suspension, and interior are also different. They're similar vehicles, but offer pretty different driving dynamics.

[@ansoogund]

Question, if the cayenne has the switch that you can push up, does it mean it has the locking diffs? As in, how do I know by just looking at ads online before going to see the car?

[@CarFanatic]

The rear locker only came on certain 955 models with the off road package, which also included electronic disconnecting sway bars. It's very rare. The toggle switch is black and there's a bottom with a car at an angle. I don't believe it was available on any 957 models. The 957 with PDCC, silver bottoms, simulated disconnecting sway bars. In general, the AWD system, even on a base model, is very good. It will lock any spinning wheels and can send up to 100 percent of the torque to a single wheel.

[@bryanohlsson4689]

Great video. Need to add a point for comfort, styling, and power :) I have done a long haul in a Jeep, and felt it at the end :( My GTS, well you know the feeling :)

[@Planclanman3]

Yes the clearance and differentials make it sturdy off road. But it simply wasn’t built for off roading. You will destroy the sides and underbelly in rock crawling, not to mention anything on a Porsche is 2x as much to fix as 4wd off road truck or jeep. Pretty cool features though.

[@Mustansirtaher6]

It may not be a Wrangler for off roading but it can off road

[@franklinsaltchuck2455]

Most off-roading doesn't involve rock-crawling... that's a specific type of off-roading that can easily destroy any vehicle

[@Planclanman3]

@@franklinsaltchuck2455 bro read the title. Off reading compromises all aspects, rock crawling, mudding, sand running. This can do one of the 3 effectively. And before you say no one would do it, Ive seen an idiot rock crawl in one of these and nearly flip his Porsche

[@anotherlifeO2]

Thanks for the great video ^_^ I'm in love with the old generation of the Cayenne especially 2008 and 2009 and how it's aggressive & muscular look in my opinion way better than the new gen. froggy look (big disappointment for me back in 2011). I'm in love for 10 years now and I can't forget it cuz back in the years it's very expensive , so I'm planning to get 08 or 09 but My question is do recommend the Cayenne s or turbo? Even i heard that the Turbo has more problems & less reliable than the S, but My heart goes for the Turbo how it performs and how the face lift more aggressive than the S model.

[@jodyfarina1147]

Another life I have a 06 S... I love this Cayenne!!! I love the first gen, I’ve worked out its kinks, and other than that, it’s been a very reliable car. About once a year, I have something to address, starter one year, driveshaft another, this year I’m needing to address doing a trans flush, and a couple of $25 sway bar links.. I’m not counting the tires or brakes, that’s just normal car maintenance.. I purposely avoided the turbo. I’ve got loads of speed, it hauls enormous loads.. My suggestion to anyone about to buy a Cayenne is to find one with the factory installed tow package.. Or if you instal an aftermarket later, it will only tow about half of the Porsche installed one.. A thing to consider, it seriously drinks a lot of fuel, I accept that, because I see it as a trade off, minimal amount of repairs, to an expensive to keep,gas in the tank addiction.. I love my Cayenne S!!

[@alexazn4578]

Do the latest generation of Cayenne still have locking differentials, low range, and sway bar disconnect?

[@BrianMartin2007]

Do you know what year they ditched the low range transfer case? and did it ever overlap with the front sway bar disconnect? Because I was looking for a cayenne with the PDCC button, but as a Turbo S model. I did end up picking up a 2005 Turbo, and I love it. It's like 95% of what I was looking for and only paid $9,200 after all taxes/licence/registration.

[@CarFanatic]

The low range was ditched to save weight in the 958. You could get disconnecting sway bars but that's a very rare off road package only found on the 955.

[@kevinduprey9326]

Question sir , I have 2004 that is not moving in any gear . It just revs up. Then I put diff lock on and it moved no problem but of course its low gear only. What might cause this to only drive or reverse with my diff locked ? Any ways to rule out certain components? I hope its axle and not diff or transfer case problem. Any thought is appreciated!! Thanks ...

[@captainkai9989]

good video; what’s the switch/button for two speed transfer case / low-range?

[@K1dPhresh1]

Good video. A little switch up from the usual. I like it. Where was it shot?

[@CarFanatic]

+K1dPhresh1 Sedona, Arizona. Thank you!

[@DOCKent-3339]

Not an off-road feature, at approximately 145 MPH the air suspension automatically lowers itself another inch (below the regular low level not loading level) to hug the ground better at speed. This little known tidbit is NOT documented in the manual.

[@alexanderwademd]

Not to mention 500# payload difference. 4 x 175 lb adults and you have 192 lbs you can add for gear or a bike rack or whatever for the jeep. The Cayenne could still pull a 5000 lb trailer at that point.

[@engelstyla1454]

Möchte gern mal wissen wann wird Porsche Cayenne eine Porsche Cayenne 6X6 biturbo Baut? ??

[@Stilini03]

Have you tried Bulldog Canyon yet?

[@AutoAmateur]

Great video!

[@johnp6261]

Hi, thanks for your video. Very informative... what Tyres do you have on your Cayenne? Those look lie our 21” wheels... were you running AT Tyres? Ours are 295/35/21 but don’t think these would be suitable for 4x4’ing.

[@CarFanatic]

I was running Continental DWS 06 high performance all seasons lol. I actually drove up a very steep hill on these. I made it up but it was a bad idea because I could have flipped the car if I had lost grip and the car slipped backwards.

[@adamvleggett]

I got 19” wheels and Falken Wildpeaks for my Cayenne Turbo. They have handled everything I’ve thrown at them. You are right that I wouldn’t try it with anything on 21”.

[@binthetube]

Anyone know if the 2011 Cayenne with PASM and air suspension can off road as well the the 2008? Some people are saying its first gear is low enough, but without low range I doubt it’s can off road as well as the first generation.

[@CarFanatic]

Less capable, but still capable for an SUV in it's class.

[@binthetube]

Car Fanatic thank you. Because the used Cayennes are now affordable for me, I’m thinking I might give one a try. I know most people say it looks weird, but if I cared about my looks I would comb my hair! Lol. I like to autocross and rock crawl but can’t afford to have a Cayman S, Wrangler Rubicon and a family car. I know the Cayenne won’t do well in any, but it will be fun to try! I’m looking at any 2008-2010 Cayenne with PDCC, but so far I only see a few Turbos. Do you think a Transsyberia with no PDCC will off-road as well as a Turbo with PDDC if they both had the same 18” all terrain tires? I’ve been watching tons of reviews and yours is very informative. Thank you!!

[@dufonrafal]

It is as capable. For the first gear, well it depends: 1- if you're talking about the V6, it might lack some low end torque, but not the V8 2- the 8 speeds transmission has a very short 1st gear (it actually start in 2nd gear on road) 3- it's a torque converter, so you can slip the transmission all you want. The main reason for very short 1st gear off road, is so you don't have to slip the clutch when going very slowly. With a torque converter, that's not an issue. To go off road with the 2011 Cayenne, I would recommend: 1- 18" wheels with A/T tires 2- air suspension to lift it 3- PDCC so you can disconnect the sway bar and have more wheel travel 4- PTV+ so you can lock the rear dif 5- off road package for additional protections and tow hook A V8 model (petrol or diesel) would be better for it's additional low-end torque.

[@kuebby]

That's not really a fair comparison with the Rubicon because no one runs them at stock height and they can fit 35" tires standard which will change all those numbers without ruining anything on the truck. A better comparison would have been the 4Runner or Grand Cherokee from the same year.

[@CarFanatic]

Fair point. The Wrangler is what gets all the attention, so I thought I would compare stock vs stock.

[@kuebby]

@@CarFanatic True, but that's only because Wrangler is the only truck left with 2 solid axles that isn't a HD pickup. I think realistically it's a better cross-comparison too--people who are shopping for a Wrangler only have 1 option. If you're looking at a Cayenne you're probably also considering a GX or RX, plus whatever the equivalents are from other brands. Even the 4Runner/GX isn't a perfect comparison because it has a solid axle in the back vs the Cayenne is independent all around (right?). The low range case definitely separates it from a lot of the other similar SUVs (it is unibody, right?). Did you look at any base or S models or did you specifically want the Turbo? Just curious as someone local to me is selling an 04 S with 156k miles for a fair price and based on the family I'm assuming it's had good maintenance... tempting as I don't use my 4Runner enough and with the prices of 4x4s today I'd probably make some money.

[@CarFanatic]

I actually test drove a 955 Cayenne S. I wasn't impressed because it only has 340 HP and didn't have air suspension. In my mind, air suspension is a must if you want to take it occasionally off road. Otherwise, you'll be a new suspension setup.

[@kuebby]

@@CarFanatic If it doesn't have air suspension does it have coil springs instead?

[@CarFanatic]

@@kuebby yup. People can raise it but it requires custom coilovers

[@ivanov89]

I think i have 2 locks how can i check for shure?

[@CarFanatic]

When you activate the low range and center lock, you'll also see a light for the rear diff I believe. Your owners manual should tell you how.

[@kylestewart8354]

I think the closer comparison would be to the Jeep Grand Cherokee, off road the Cayenne has is no match for a Wrangler and on-road the Wrangler is no match for cayenne.

[@CarFanatic]

Agreed Kyle!

[@Whowannabeu]

@@pratik1568 you sound stupid

[@octoslut]

@@pratik1568 lol no it wouldn't lmao get out

[@mix1300]

Is it reliable? I'm in the market for one !

[@mallkrawlerz620]

The powertrain is reliable when taken care of. But it’s a very expensive car to fix. You gotta be willing to accept the latter if you want one of these.

[@autocrossracer8320]

The Cayenne has 3 locking diffs. The fronts can lock as well per the manual.

[@CarFanatic]

No locking front. Just center and rear, which was optional.

[@12Achilleas]

It’s not any where near as capable as a Jeep rubicon ,a stock Jeep rubicon can take you through rubicon trail ,I doubt a cayenne could last 10 feet on that type of terrain

[@CarFanatic]

With the right tires, the Cayenne is quite capable. Check out TFL's Touareg series. Not the exact same car but they have very similar off road specs and features. I wouldn't take the Cayenne to the Rubicon trail because I wouldn't want to mess my car up. I don't think most owners of a new Rubicon, $50k+, rig would. But keep in mind that the Wrangler isn't without it's compromises either. Have you driven one on the highway? It drives like crap and is borderline unsafe in emergency maneuvers and that's no exaggeration. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just saying the cars are built for different purposes. Cheers and thanks for watching!

[@12Achilleas]

Car Fanatic my daily driver is a restored 4 liter Jeep yj with 2.5 inch lift and 32 inch mud terrains and I have also driven newer jeeps and a Range Rover sport and the wranglers are not any where near as safe when it comes to high speed maneuvering and emergency braking 😂 ,sure the cayenne is capable with the right tires but as you said my friend the cayenne is a totally different animal it’s setup is made mostly for street use and the wrangler is design to be the best truck in off road situation so it has “short wheelbase when it comes to the two door and front an rear lockers and solid axles ,and yeah the tfl video was impressive indeed that a Touareg could do thaws kind of things but nothing to impressive when it is compared to a two door wrangler specially a rubicon Have a great day my friend

[@krabbe969]

Cayenne turbo has difflock🤦‍♂️

[@CarFanatic]

Only the center differential unless you have the off road package. Then you get a rear locker

[@darkspd31]

Now fork over $130,000

[@sethl8905]

Buddy, you get these used for around 30k and they are AMAZING. We let the actually rich people lease these new;) Then buy them after.

[@eddgrs9193]

@@sethl8905 As a general rule for buying luxury vehicles : buy one used only if you can afford a new one.

[@sethl8905]

@@eddgrs9193 That would be very responsible, I agree.

[@probegtturbo]

i bought a 2006 for 10k its the base but it is still very capable offroad

[@dianaagustina5035]

I loved mine

[@matt4436]

Is it the same as a VW Touareg?

[@CarFanatic]

Same chassis, but the Cayenne is very different in terms of powertrain, suspension, interior/exterior, etc.

[@mannyechaluce3814]

nah, Touareg is cheaper,,,,,, and there lies the only difference :D

[@jsnadrian]

not with those wheels ;) nice video though, finding myself wanting a cayenne (among many other off roaders tho ... )

[@CarFanatic]

I feel you. It just depends on how much off roading you plan on doing.

[@sc0368]

Yes, in snow? No

[@lunafringe10]

Drive it over the Grand Canyon, see what happens 😂

[@debendragurung3033]

Look. Justin Bieber just got a SUV so now he can go Walmart for groceries.

[@merza16465]

Wrangler ... baic bj40 offroad 100% cayeen turbo is my ass

[@tgracing5532]

I did not know that about my turbo cayenne. Lucky I bought a ranger to go off road 😁

[@mallkrawlerz620]

Cayenne is better

[@tgracing5532]

@@mallkrawlerz620 Landcruiser is best

[@mallkrawlerz620]

@@tgracing5532 but you have a ranger.... now Im thinking you’ve never had any of them and you’re trying to pretend like you have a car. 😂

[@tgracing5532]

@@mallkrawlerz620 2 years ago it was a ranger, now its a Landcruiser and a GT3. Either way Cayenne is good offroad however it won't beat a Lancruiser on dirt

[@mallkrawlerz620]

@@tgracing5532 yes... but you have a ranger.....

[@gustafpeyron]

1. awd sucks... 2. center locking differential isn't technically a locker... its just regular 4wd (technically). 3. wrangler has the same brake traction system (bld) and is probably way more efficient 4. less skid plates than wrangler 5. low range isn't low at all in this thing. crawl ratio is everything offroad 6. air suspension is unreliable. 7. jk still has way more clearance... these measurements come from the lowest point on the diff.... solid axle diffs hang much lower 8. jk has waywayawaywayway more articulation. 9 body on frame is stronger. 10. wranglers come with much larger offroad tires. km2 on rubicon. ko2 option on jk. 11. jk solid axles are much stronger. 12. cayenne has poopy steering. 13. everything else on the cayenne is probably much weaker 14. since you were comparing it to a rubicon; rubicons have electronic front and rear lockers and electronic swaybar discos, rock sliders, 4:1 tcase etc. what a dumb pandering comparison

[@nyiesah]

SuperCellProductions Jeep boy here has a chip on his shoulder

[@gustafpeyron]

nyiesah um I think you mean Jeep girl? 😤😤👍 Try again sweetie 😂😂😂👏

[@pratik1568]

Nobody is gonna read that long ass bullshit paragraph so u can kiss my black ass

[@debendragurung3033]

Yeah. Nobody will beat their Cayenne like they do with the Jeep. It's not a SUV, it's just a crossover with little bit of off-roading gear.

[@jpx1]

1. Wrangler Rubicon is obviously a better offroad vehicle. Thats not the point. 2. center locking is a "locker." It forces 50% of the power to go to each axle. 3. Air suspension is better. Do your research. It is, in fact, more reliable, just more difficult to fix (that's what bump stops are for). 4. Only true if your engineer is a 5 year old with toothpicks. Monocoque can be just as strong if engineered properly. 5. jeeps are weak AF. German, even british, cars will always be more reliable. 6. 4:1 tcase is only good for rock crawling. It sucks for expeditions. You can travel much faster with a less aggressive crawl ratio.

[@ricardo3760]

Lol fucking bullshit, you didn't even take it offroad, you just drove over some sand and gravel and looked t some numbers. I can promise you that thing won't even come close to a Jeep, and this is from a Patrol guy, thanks for the laughs at least

[@CarFanatic]

+Perkins trails don't always show up the same on camera. I can assure you it was more than just pebbles. You're also ignoring the context here which is the Cayenne's off-road capabilities in relation to it's on-road performance. I clearly mentioned that a Jeep is much more capable. I welcome all feedback and discussions, so keep them coming.

[@paulhomsy2751]

When you give so much information, you have to remember that you aren't speaking to yourself and enunciate better. You swallow half the words trying to cram too many. One should NOT have to make an effort to understand what you're saying.

[@CarFanatic]

Paul, you could try playing the video at a reduced playback speed.

[@jeffreyschmidt3997]

I had no trouble understanding you and that was playing it 2x