Which Porsche Cayenne Should You Buy? Complete 955, 957 & 958 Buyer's Guide

Interested in buying a used Porsche Cayenne, but don't know where to start? In this video, I'll give you a concise overview of each of the Cayenne generations, trims (base, S, GTS, Turbo, Turbo S) and issues to look out for. I'll cover the 955, 957, and 958 (958.1 & 958.2) generations. Check out the description below for more videos and links to the equipment I used to film this video:
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[@CarFanatic]

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[@ayalin71]

This is what I was looking for. Good overview of covering all models along with highlighting common service issues. Thanks for posting this!

[@somertechdroid]

Great informative video. Thanks for doing what so few other reviewers do, in being detailed with solid research and a clean presentation without all the stupid kiddie music. LOL!

[@CarFanatic]

Thanks. Hope you're subscribed!

[@ashsurg1]

Proud owner of porsche cayenne S...Great car!

[@craigerickson1910]

This is an excellent summary- short but he covers all the important points and it's easy to understand. The graphic charts do a great job of supporting the commentary. Clear, concise summary. Thank you for your efforts. I bought a 2014 Cayenne GTS with 28,000 miles last year but didn't see this video until now. Thankfully I did pretty much what he said to do including a really thorough PPI which cost $265 which is right in line with what he quoted. 15,000 miles later I have had zero problems with the car. Really a fun car to drive both around town and on long trips. A great car.

[@elismarmoreiradossantos7072]

Thanks for your vídeos! congratulations for yuor clarifications! God bless you! Very happy new year for you!

[@SuAmigo12]

Informative video. I appreciate a listed of common issues found on each generation. I bought a 2012 Cayenne S for its sportier look and upgraded interior looks. My own research also revealed about the camshaft bolt issue you indicated. Porsche never issued an recall, instead it had a 'workshop campaign' for owners who are still under warranty. Given the severity of damage, Porsche should have issue a recall, but it didn't. Disappointed. We had our Cayenne for 6 months now. Wife still loves it. It was a good buy.

[@Blue-moon12]

What a great review. You gave enough info for someone to make a pretty informed decision. I was considering a 957 S model.

[@icarusii2251]

Hey Car Fanatic, thanks for putting together a great review! Looked everywhere for information to understand the history of the Cayenne. So glad I finally found this concise and informative piece. Love the charts! Thanks a ton!

[@CarFanatic]

Thank you!

[@mishataleb4484]

Hello I’m looking to purchase 2016 cayenne GTS with 68000 miles You think it’s too much miles or should I go for it ?

[@TheAndroidUnversity]

This video helped me out so much. Thank you for this

[@WillertMorris]

Thank you for the breakdown: shopping 957 GTS in earnest. You helped clarify some key differences and what to inspect.

[@integrafreak1]

Really enjoy these vids!! THANKS

[@lerymiza]

amazing review!!! I started with the 05 S and had absolutely all the issues listed above and fixed them myself... it was time consuming but very rewarding experience.... other issues with that first model are the brakes are super delicate and easy to ruin...expensive to fix.... my front differential started to make little noise... but after fixing everything and driving it all the time is a joy.... I have been test driving newer cars that come out looking to get into a newer one but man!!! no comparison to my old porsche... still kicks butt.... Thank you for the review!!! My ignitions coils have over 150k and are still running strong.... the only thing that went bad was the camshaft position sensor but I just shook it and got fixed....

[@GiorgioNiro]

Excellent presentation of pertinant information, what a pleasure to watch.

[@mikemiller1502]

Great overview !!! Thank you for sharing.

[@paachi]

Nicely done. Very good video for potential buyers

[@Kenyalove001]

Great, in depth and very informative! Many thanks

[@mrkongsimr]

Thank you ,exactly the video I needed !

[@wolfgangezeh2221]

Very informative and thanks for that! I am looking at the Range Rover Vogue Supercharged, BMW X5, Mercedes Benz GL and Porsche Cayenne. I am leaning more to the Cayenne for its comparable reliability, build quality and style. If within my budget, I would like a few of the bells and whistles, air suspension, heated steering etc. Your presentation was straight to the point. I am now a subscriber.

[@RAllen-1968]

Bought a certified 2013 Cayenne 3 months ago. The factory warranty was extended two years. That was a strong motivator for me. It has 85,000 miles but shows very little wear. The interior is pristine and the outside is without any scratches or signs of heavy use. It runs great, good fast start and quite confortable. I am very pleased with the sportiness as well as the luxury comfort. Excellent video.

[@ATH420_]

how has it held up? Im looking at a 2012 with 85K miles, condition is great

[@brenthall3097]

R. Allen - how has your ownership experience been?

[@themidwestexplorers5370]

just bought a 2012 cayenne with 44k miles on it on saturday bro@@ATH420_

[@lorrdlawal515]

Thanks bro for this detailed review..... Hopefully would get one 955 soon. With love from West Africa. Nigeria.

[@sambibo2358]

thats a great review keep up all the good work

[@hellokittyr]

thank you for making this video. hope u r making video for other models.

[@robk568]

My wife has a used 2014 cayenne base model. Had it for 1 year and she loves it. Great performance and reliability so far. Still learning about all the features and gadgets. The was well maintained and we probably paid more but we have the peace of mind there no major issues yet. We do recommend buying a used Porsche but do your research. I watch your basic maintenance videos and they are very helpful and will save me a lot of money with not too much effort. Keep the videos and advice coming!

[@prabeeshsidhu]

Did you find the base cayenne to have enough power?

[@stranger21ny]

Very nice detailed view. Thank you

[@arthurifurung1027]

2012 cayenne base but loaded with options. Best car I ever owned...

[@davidreyesaguilera2366]

Im looking to get a 957 S V8, your review has been helpful 👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻

[@newtonk7574]

bro, this video is very informative. thank you

[@nigelhilditch6754]

Excellent advise . Well done.

[@honguenloh4612]

Thanks for informative video... planning to get a 958 cayenne s 2012 onwards model.......I like the sound of the v8 and it’s looks!!!:)

[@pjerolly06]

Great video thank you. i have cayenne s titanium edition for 13 years..Love the car, had to replace almost the main parts, cooling pipes ,drive shaft, coilers but other than that great car.

[@ericfang7844]

I have a 955 Porsche Cayenne S it’s old but it’s my first car and I love it

[@WOPANGLE]

great video, really helps me to understand!!!!

[@adiazwan]

very very informative video!!! thank you!

[@xkrnxboix]

The 958 transfer case issue is more prevalent than people think. But, there is a thread on 6speed that proves that changing out the TC fluid solves the hesitation/whining issues of the TC. Basically if you own a 958, add the TC fluid flush as a preventative maintenance every other oil change.

[@nabule]

Thanks great information on all models

[@ANSARIM7862]

NIce video and a lot of information. Thanks. Just got a 2010 Cayenne Base. Love and this video help to understand.

[@CarFanatic]

Nice! If you need maintenance info, here you go ecarguides.com/vehicles/2003-2010-porsche-cayenne-955-957/

[@dariusmark7302]

Extremely helpful video, I watched when I was considering a Cayenne. Ended up purchasing a Certified Pre-Owned 2016 Cayenne w/Perf. Plus package and it's been just amazing.

[@CarFanatic]

Awesome Mark! Thanks for watching!

[@dariusmark7302]

First oil change last week and they replaced the transfer box under warranty @35k miles

[@prabeeshsidhu]

@@dariusmark7302 which engine! How has the reliability been and are you still loving it!

[@toriachatman6309]

I jumped out and brought the first generation Cayenne S, and yes, it cost to maintain it. I have brake shoes, upper and lower control arms to replace, and maybe some ignition coils. The engine light came on. I wish I would did my research before I brought it. Driving experience I love. I am a third buyer but I will work to keep it up.

[@daithilacha1]

Great detailed report there which should be a big help for a lot of prospective buyers. I did note that the V6 Diesel version was not available Stateside until 2011, whereas it was sold here in Europe in 2009 and probably even earlier . A friend has just picked up a 2009 English model. Of course in Europe, diesel engines have been huge mainstream sellers here unlike the States. More than 50% of all cars sold here are diesel, and that includes luxury models like BMW and Mercedes. In the Sates, where I lived for 20 years, the only diesels you normally see are in Commerical transport, espc Buses and Trucks, and maybe a few pick ups.

[@Slumberesque]

Superb, extremely useful & very informative. Thank you!

[@CarFanatic]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed!

[@leonardoluc6362]

Thanks for the review, appreciated and subscribed. I am looking to buy a 958.1 GTS of preferable Turbo but prices are stille high here in the EU.

[@Indian-313]

Very nice. keep up the good work

[@brendanH2O]

Insightful video!

[@sebastianfedorowicz6967]

Thank you car fanatic. I am about to buy this saturday 2011 turbo. Thanks for heads up about camshaft adjustable bolts. And Yes I Will have pre purchase inspection of cayenne at local dealer ship. Can't wait.

[@CarFanatic]

Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed. Keep me posted!

[@nelsonwells1010]

So how did it go now that you've had 2 years to look back on it!? I'm in an 04 Turbo and am curious about upgrading to the 2011-13... cheers.

[@claudioagmfilho]

By there I am from RECIFE in Brazil South America and I really liked your video thanks for sharing that with us at this part of the world...

[@CarFanatic]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed!

[@walkingtuna]

Bought a 2013 Cayenne Base model about two years ago. It's definitely a great looking car. One major issue I have experienced is the transfer case. It happened at around 41000~ miles. Very noticeable hesitation at 3rd gear. This issue is actually very common for 958.1 which I was told by the dealer. The other issue I had was the evap leak which happened twice and eventually got the valve replced. These are the only two major issues I have had so far..would definitely suggest find a good indy shop for maintnance and repairs..the dealer in PA chargerd me $450 for oil change and ~$1600 for a major maintnance which I think is definietely a ripoff..

[@lijax9606]

450 oil change is insane

[@Sandiegocruiser]

How much was the transfer case repair

[@sherifelsakkaf1458]

I never thought I would ever want one of these , but I have come to like the 1st generation especially. The Manual gearbox is what i,m very keen on so I am looking at the V6 model. I found one ( they don't appear very often) and its getting the 111 points inspection on Monday. Its got approx 85,000 Miles so I hope its going to be in reasonable shape. Thank you for the three videos I watched. Very useful and clear info. From Switzerland.

[@CarFanatic]

Thanks for watching! Hope you're subscribed!

[@MissRho]

Very informative... thank you

[@citizenpark2782]

Great video… thanks brotha!

[@TheGramee]

Super great detail..nice job. Im looking for used 2015-18 or newer GTS. Would like to know common issues with these years though. Pre-inspection...good advice Thanks!

[@panam75i]

very good review very clear

[@edwardlocke874]

AWESOME VID!!!

[@mmone1178]

Thanks so much for sharing

[@elizabethcoleman5729]

I purchase Porsche Cayenne 2018 S model and I love it.

[@dawannwilliams6301]

Great video thanks for the information looking at a 2015 or 2016 Cayenne to replace my 2004 Toyota....the 2015 is more expensive and had better ratings but the 2016 has more options both are former fleet vehicles with less than 50k miles basic models...Any advice would be appreciated

[@jamaanali4843]

very good , helps a lot .... thanks

[@theresah6300]

Good info.Thank you

[@lewiscosan7101]

Very precise, thank u!

[@mansourjosephboudames8519]

Nice video. Thanks.

[@mike.thomas]

Nice vid and good info/advice.

[@CarFanatic]

+Mike Thomas thanks! Hope you're subscribed!

[@luckyfarru]

hi, your videos are very helpful. By chance can you demo how to change all interior lights

[@grantlingley1385]

This was a really helpful video! Thanks so much! I am looking at 2016-2017 models…your comment we cheapest vs well researched model (Service history and Checkup) were spot on….these vehicles were still a very expensive car in their day so knowing what you are getting into is critical. Would you also shy away from the first year of a new generation or in keeping with Porsche Evolution, is that not as much of a factor compared to other makes?

[@j.richie2677]

I've got a Cayenne biturbo diesel V6 300 hp. 650 NM from 1240 revs. , Limited Edition Platinum sport Package , 2009 . With the PDD pack . FANTASTIC , NO Problem , PERFECT !!

[@CarFanatic]

Awesome to hear! Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed

[@MrOmgfreak]

2008 v6 for me.. less problems

[@stephenm3874]

I own a base 2009. It's the wife's car and it is her baby. Fantastic vehicle for her as it is sporty, solid and safe.

[@Msleelee9487]

you know your stuff I was looking at the Cayenne but because i'm gonna be in it by myself mostly I leaning towards the Macan S I will be doing my oil changes I did maintenance on my ex jeep Sahara and did spark plugs and ignition coils camshaft, crankshaft sensors on a Hyundai Tucson so I can do some things got tired of getting shafted at the shop If I get one I will get me a scanner for Porsche to reset after oil changes i'm gonna get a used one I hope you switch to a Macan and do videos lol Great videos.

[@its_MSR]

@Car Fanatic. Great informative video, can you do a similar video on Audi RS7 and Porsche 911 turbo 997

[@TheACed7]

Hey , so I've been looking for a 958.1 Cayenne Diesel. As I've read through some forums - it turns out to be pretty reliable - especially 2013 models. It has great MPG , the interior design and quality is superb and it's a VW-Audi V6 diesel so maintenance shouldn't be that much expensive. However , 245 hp is a bit on the "lesser" side so I am in fact starting to look through Diesel S V8 offers. Are there any particular problems and are maintenance costs going to skyrocket compared to the V6 Diesel. All in all - I'd be happy if you could tell me how does the V8 Diesel compare to the V6 one - MPG , running cost , reliability. Oh and one more thing - thanks for the great video - extremely educational especially if you are in the marked for a used Cayenne!

[@MrMaui38]

Hey man, great video. Im looking into the 2011 958.1 Cayenne with about 80k miles on it, 1 previous owner did all maintenance -- 1) any big things to look out for other than the things you had in the vid?? Thanks! Im also interested in the 2011 base Panamera, 2) are they much different from the Cayenne in terms of problems to look for?

[@nassau40]

Finally a video to explain the difference between trim levels and model years, thank you. I think I will be getting the 2015-2017 used cayenne, maybe the base or the S trim. Also, I'm not sure about the V8. I do live in Canada on the east coast, so it doesn't get extremely cold but cold enough periodically. Maybe it could cause bore scoring like you mentioned? Either way, thank you for the detailed Video and explanation. I welcome other comments as well with comments who own 2015-2019 cayennes. Or is there a similar vehicle out there that I should consider?

[@CarFanatic]

Get an S if you can. The extra power is nice!

[@The13thDukeofWybourne]

955 Turbo is the one you want! No problems with the valves, as it has a different block to the none Turbo V8 which has the valve scoring problem.

[@user-ym9sx6jt8m]

2009 V6 957. It's got some issues everyone knows about but nothing crazy. definitely less expensive than maintaining a V8 like a Turbo even though it's more powerful and fun

[@sijushenoy8422]

Informative review. The cam shaft adjustment bolt issue for 2011 model is it there for all the cars around the world. The cars in India have the same type of bolts but no recall is issued

[@YRREBLRAK]

Great Video. What do you think about car wraps? Do you like the aftermarket spoilers kits.

[@bill8298]

Great useful in depth knowledge and info on this car . If I were buying I'd go for a used 958 2015 S under 50K miles. Important feature for me would be automatic front suspension leveling "PASM" ... everything I've heard says this makes for an incredible driving experience on windy mountain roads. My best friend owns a 2017 Macan S ...love that car ...but I would like more interior space for bikes and toys. If Porsche were to re-introduce a 6 cyl diesel.here in the states .I'd be all over it. cheers BW

[@CarFanatic]

Hi Bill. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The Macan seems like a great car. I don't think all of the Cayenne's "space means too much. Cargo space in the Cayenne is better, but not great. I also wouldn't want to put a bunch of toys in the car since they would likely scuff up the interior. I have a Thule hitch-mounted bike/ski rack, which works really well. It works a lot better than the silly roof rails which cause a ton of wind noise and kill MPG. Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed!

[@jpokluda]

If Porsche would bring the Diesel Macan into the US, I'd be all over it.

[@bikeninja956]

@@CarFanatic haha, funny about the roof rack thing, I'm ditching mine this year for a hitch mount on my bimmer, you can literally feel the drag slowing you down with $hit mounted on the roof...they say it's ~ 30% hit to mpg...

[@marwankeyrouz]

Thanks for this video it is exactly what i was looking for

[@CarFanatic]

Hope you subscribe!

[@ranger1752]

Thank you!

[@Fpdbb123]

Excellent video. I would buy the 957 or 958.

[@ranger1752]

2017 Cayenne Turbo owner! Best vehicle ever owned! (BMW, Audi, etc)

[@beemer1111]

Great and informative review. Thank you. I have a very low mile 2005 Cayenne S. I bought it with only 12k in 2018, and now have around 27k on it. No problems at all, I love the vehicle, but will look into upgrading the coolant pipe, as the vehicle is in a hot weather climate full time.

[@boyracer3477]

You probably won't see this after 3 years but here goes. Did you replace the coolant pipe? I would want to do that proactively. Is the replacement pipe of better quality or will you have the problem again? Any idea what the replacement might cost. Same questions about the shaft bearing. If you replace it proactively as you would with an early Boxster IMS bearing, how much might that cost? Anyway, thanks for your reply with your experience. I'm beginning a search for an early 955 to pair with my early 986S which I dearly love. I'm in no hurry but my elder GMC suv is aging and the diff is complaining. Also, this is probably the worst time in history to purchase a used car.

[@beemer1111]

@@boyracer3477 the coolant pipe kit is less than $1,000. I think labour here would be a day, but I also think I could do it myself. There are 2 really good DIY videos on You-tube for this job. I just passed on a really high offer for mine, I think I will keep it indefinitely. I have not heard anything about IMS bearing failure in the 955.

[@boyracer3477]

@@beemer1111 Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I've just learned of the Cayenne and it seems like the answer to what I need. Like my Boxster, if there are engineering flaws or parts that are expected to cause a serious problem, I would much rather deal with them proactively rather than ending up along the side of a road one night. I was speaking of this thinking when I spoke of the IMS bearing. It is a known problem in early Boxsters, that while rare can cause a similar problem to a timing belt breaking on a high compression engine, ruining the engine. For piece of mind, it is good practice to just put in a more robust bearing. I think I will do the same with the Cayenne cooling pipe and the shaft bearing when I find the one that I'm looking for. Thanks again!! Like the early Boxsters, Cayennes seem like a bargain for what you get.

[@beemer1111]

@@boyracer3477 I think you will be good if you just do the coolant tubes with one of the aluminum pipe kits that are available on EBay. Other than a couple of coil packs, mine has been trouble free. I upgraded the radio with a perfect fit unit, it was an easy install. I also did the stainless steel Fabspeed 1st Cat by-pass pipes, I love the sound, and they look great. Another easy install. Be sure to only use an OEM battery if you need to replace it, they last forever, but are a difficult R&R, so avoid any kind of cheap option.

[@boyracer3477]

@@beemer1111 Thanks again. I wasn't interested in modern Porsches or looking for one before I saw my Boxster. I'd heard of them but that was it. I saw one for sale at the back of a shop and that night did some research. No one who had driven one had anything bad to say. They were amazing cars at a bargain price. A best kept secret. It's sounding to me like the Cayenne is the same thing. An amazing car at a bargain price.

[@charlieboylol527]

I’m in Edinburgh Scotland,thanks

[@jerrya1356]

Great video valuable informations

[@CarFanatic]

+Jerry A thanks! Please consider subscribing if you haven't already!

[@corpnupe85]

Very thorough video!

[@blukahunas]

I purchased a used 2012 Cayenne turbo in April of 2018 with a bumper to bumper 4 year Porsche warranty (for 6k) and it paid for itself after my second visit to the dealer. Dealer replaced transfer case at about 68k miles and valve cover head gaskets on two separate visits and those are the only two issues I've had. Still have 13 months of warranty left and this thing is a dream and fast as hell, just ask all those Chargers, Camaro's, Mustangs and Japanese cars with the huge mufflers 🤣

[@arildbrauteardal2910]

Very well structured and helpful video for someone who has been admiring the Cayenne for a decade or more and now considers buying one. I am considering the 958, but worry about the user interface and acceleration as I have had two Model S Teslas, the P85+ and the 90D over the last seven years. I have been searching the web for a Cayenne 958 upgrade to Apple CarPlay (which I did three years ago to our Smart Fortwo with great results). With the Smart I just swapped the standard ForTwo head unit with an Alpine Apple CarPlay unit (with rear camera that my wife loved). It seems this does not exist as an option delivered by a trused brand and available for install by a diligent installer?

[@CarFanatic]

Thanks for the support! You can get a headunit with CarPlay for the 958. Just go with a trusted brand like Alpine. It will run you about $2000 for a proper headunit and install to maintain all of the stock functionality like steering wheel switches and back up cam. As for power, a 958 is pretty fast. Just don't expect the same initial response as a Tesla. Thanks for watching and hope you're subscribed!

[@naeemnanabhay2326]

Thanks for a great review. I'm considering buying the 2015-2017 958.2 V8 Diesel (S Diesel) given its mega torque and great MPG. What are your thoughts on the V8 Diesel?

[@TomLongusa]

I only wish you had gone into known problems for the 2015-2018 S & GTS where they went w/ the twin turbo V6? But I’m sure there’s a video out there somewhere that does. Other than that minor omission I thought the was a great video, thoughtfully laid out, and very informative. Oh, and Yes... I am planning on buying a used Cayenne. Just exploring that fine line between the Turbo and the GTS to see if I can find a win for my usage, tastes, and fun factor w/o spending more than I have too. There other toys to buy! lolzzz

[@Liferoad371]

my 2004 cayenne S weighs 6,800 lbs love it

[@jerryneri5068]

This guy is great

[@TylerRoicki]

Great info in this video! Love my 2010 Cayenne GTS

[@charleygrossnicklaus4278]

I have had several over the years and looking for another for a secondary vehicle looking for 2008 -2010 model S probably or Turbo not sure just depends on how clean of one I run across

[@reidearls2643]

Very helpful

[@viralvarshney]

Amazing guide... Thank you.. what are your thoughts on reliability of cayenne 958.2 s e-hybrids?... Being that it uses a 3.0 supercharged v6 from Audi and uses 8nspees automatic instead of the PDK...

[@porschet5898]

Terrible reliability. I had one with ISA engine

[@bredebang007]

I’m saving up for a 2011 cayenne 3.0 D The options I’m looking for is adaptive cruise control tan interior sunroof burmester Soundsystem. But it’s very expensive to buy in Norway. The cheapest one on sale now is 56 000 US dollar.

[@aliwaleed5288]

Brede Bangshaug dude I purchased mine for 16,000$ here in dubai and its the base midel

[@OverlandTT]

Nice video, remember back in 2004/5 there was no such option back then as a GTS/Titanium etc. It was the Base v6, S and turbo. My Cayenne S (V8) was almost 12 years old when I got it and was on its original coolant pipes - which I subsequently popped lol. Easy replacement and since then its been fantastic and the air suspension is great. Be sure to do the bulkhead drains every 3 months.See my Porsche Tech playlist.

[@CarFanatic]

+iVlogBuzz thanks for the tip!

[@larrybaker404]

iVlogBuzz wow I wish I knew about this sooner,mine Is 05 S model,I better check both this items,r there block heater for this car?

[@greenenergycoding9068]

iVlogBuzz don't see your cayenne playlist?

[@greenenergycoding9068]

iVlogBuzz don't see your cayenne playlist?

[@alisterfuller]

Superb

[@joerkadeen4814]

Thanks. Usefull. I consider buying a Cayenne. Prefer the natural breathing S, but expect a little more reliability of the Turbo. Love the luxury of the Turbo.

[@CarFanatic]

The naturally aspirated engine is nice, but the turbo really gets things moving. It's definitely fast enough for an SUV, but something I wish the turbo had an extra 100 HP. I could get that with a tune but don't want to sacrifice longevity.

[@club1percent522]

Fantastic knowledge bro. Love from India. I am planning to buy 2012-14 Porsche Cayenne or Audi Q7 2012-14 model, any suggestions????

[@smartdoctorphysicist3095]

Hi thank you very much I will be looking for Cayenne S 3.6L years 2013 model I will have save up. The way is better than Benz GLE 43 AMG form 2016 model if I am wrong let me know please.