IS AI ART THE DEATH OF REAL ARTISTS?

[@JackieDroujko]

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[@valle_4ustral]

A.i art is only going to get better, I want an unbiased video about a.i, you are just coping.

[@shihchunting]

Do you think there’s any possibility to add another day? I really want to go because I’m happened to work in Japan in 2025

[@Apheleion]

My company thought they could replace me with ai so I quit during a huge project, I was the team lead, and had advanced knowledge on all the tools. They ended up losing a massive client because they couldn't deliver the quality they needed, and eventually wanted to hire me back. I increased my salary by 30k and got to negotiate my full contract so I have ownership of all my created works.

[@2265Hello]

Nice

[@nonyabusiness3619]

Good for you.

[@Fleischkopf]

noice 😎

[@TheAngelMichael]

I love this for you, get it!

[@Kontaras987]

they are looking for someone to replace you as we speak

[@TonyTylerDraws]

It’s up to the consumers. Companies have been trying to automate things forever, but if it gets rejected by the consumer, they’ll abandon it.

[@alkhamistic]

problem is most consumers won't care

[@nyambura7698]

but will consumers care about something like this

[@angelofthelight1]

Consumers can now sell shits made by AI or no more need real artist work cuz of AI, and cherry on the cake, AI steal artists works from the "internet world". Basically internet or AI arent bad but are always used in wrong ways or for egoists purposes, in my opinion, if we cant give a knife to a 5 years old, we shouldn't leave theses tools free of access on humanity since they proven being 5years old in generality and their insane side is origin of all problems. I know i sound extrem, but im just being realistic.

[@Saliferous]

Customers are starting to associate it with boomers, and scams. So.... that's probably going to make it un-cool.

[@kitsu13]

Some consumers have been mocking artists who've requested that they don't ask for AI art *in their style* because that dataset was scraped off the internet. If the law doesn't get involved, nothing will change.

[@lumieresketches6701]

As an art student seeing all of the AI takeover develop so fast has been extremely overwhelming, this video actually helped me do something about it and protect my art instead of passively seeing it all get worse

[@MrBrokenwrenches]

Images. Unless AI has become sentient it's producing images not art. As artists we need to change the framing of this problem. Humans make art. Computer programs make images.

[@kittymelody-9]

And humans using computer programs to sketch, draw, paint, etc. make digital art.

[@mertensiam3384]

That's a good way to put it, but the sad part is the average consumer won't care. That's why AI art discourse and information is almost entirely encapsulated in art community spaces where artists or people who respect artists share a platform. So in the end, the framing or name we give the problem doesn't really fix it when the underlying problem is how disrespected artists are

[@dmwalker24]

I certainly agree. I don't even understand the concept of consuming AI generated content as though it has some reason to exist. Of course that won't stop corporations from making money off images, video, or songs generated by AI, and calling it art.

[@dmwalker24]

@@mertensiam3384 Lets be honest, the 'average consumer' has no idea what constitutes art anyway. They paid to see 1,400 Marvel films. The real problem I see is that companies don't care if it's partially incoherent, or lower quality, just so long as it's cheaper. And of course if they can eliminate human artists, they can eliminate every other job imaginable.

[@mertensiam3384]

@@dmwalker24 even some artists themselves have been using gen ai and support it's use if it makes them laugh. And I just look at them thinking "don't they realize that this is training the model? Don't they realize that by using ai to make that one baby with giant shoes, they're training ai to make videos of real babies?" People in general truly don't care about shit if it's cheap or makes them laugh, and it's concerning

[@EkattPalladium]

Generative AI kinda feels like going to the lengh of buying a brand new piano only to press the "demo" button to play a little tune and proceeding to call yourself a pianist... wth

[@Vibragarlic]

well said lol

[@spam-el3ee]

This is a surprisingly good analogy

[@nikkistudio...]

Genuinely one of the best ways to describe it, lol

[@_Emit_]

that's a really good analogy

[@frankyofl]

This is a perfect analogy

[@chrisaitan]

In the battle of art vs robot, we shall unite as artist and win together❤

[@Rookie_Ninja_OSC]

I agree!

[@andreakhaid]

Yes!!

[@Hadoken.]

BS panegyrics. Have any concrete master plan?

[@chrisaitan]

said plans might get me in trouble if i say them publicly 🧍‍♂

[@vghr6100]

This so-called AI is not sentient. It's the greedy corporations and their owners that need to be dealt with.

[@crystalrose043]

I just really really hope people continue to value real, handmade human created art more than AI generated stuff

[@crystalrose043]

Like, corporations are obviously going to do whats cheaper but i hope that audiences will continue to spot AI art and critique its use and ethics (or lack thereof) so that it isnt profitable

[@GhostWriter_Music]

Normal people don't care. Those who work a full time job but want to do art as well, will turn to ai out of convenience. look at some who call themselves musicians who only use ai to "make" music, they will bang out a number 1 hit in a few hours instead of days. I have been using suno to experiment, but my prompting comes from music theory and feeding ai with lyrics then prompting it to do a blues shuffle in key of B minor a male vocals using chords C D Bm D ect.. gives you what you want eventually. its like when using chord generators or note generators ect.. It helps creating a unique work of art. trying to prompt strumming patterns don't work or at least I haven't found a way to make it work. I guess it will eventually. I have used Logic pro drummer for years in creating music, because i'm not going to pay a drummer, I have experienced putting a band together, its hard work. I would rather be creative in my spare time than trying to figure out a time a band can get together to finish music. I might one day be able to tour and hire temp musicians to play the instruments I need like bass and drums.

[@michaelmatt9752]

The majority can't tell the difference, so don't care

[@jacket6139]

The problem is when you cant tell whats art and whats AI created. I want to buy something made by human hand. And i will feel sceptical and questioning all art.

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

even if they do, how will anyone be able to tell the difference?

[@KoWahiKit]

I’ve switched to calling them AI Images. Calling them Art gives them a legitimacy to non-artists that they don’t deserve.

[@lesley1204]

couldn't have said it better! us artists really need to start having in confidence in the skills and creativity that we have, even though I know it's easier said than done. imo all these slop generators are the consequence of a society not really appreciating the arts and the cultural value it actually has and it doesn't help when we put ourselves down too in the process.

[@GeoffBeggs]

Yes!

[@techycheese6383]

Ai art is real art

[@modoodles]

@@techycheese6383 are you someone who has practiced creating art with your own two hands (not just typing words/ideas into a generator)?

[@techycheese6383]

@@modoodles yes

[@JM3DArt]

1. Cancel any Adobe account. 2. Use only Open Code apps like Blender Instead. 3. Replace Adobe apps with non suscription apps like Affinity ones. 4. Take photos of your artwork on your screens devices like she explains. 5. Save your artwork in USB only don't share them in clouds nor social media. This is for interview purposes. 6. Don't fear, AI is only a tool we can defeat, is not the end of Artist. Tradicional Painters for example survives the photography age, digital Art age, and now the web3.0 and AI age also for sure. They are like sharks, sharks survives many extinctions without any change.

[@joster_jo]

Maybe pirating their products?

[@aroissomebodywhoexists]

@@joster_jo”remember kids, pirating adobe products is always morally correct”

[@Somespideronline]

What about pirating adobe products???

[@JM3DArt]

@@Somespideronline hahaha for sure!!!

[@JM3DArt]

@@joster_jo why not? Hahahah

[@E-lementary]

Same plans for my art we gotta data poison everything

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Good luck. That shit doesn't work, but you need to know at least something about the tech to understand this...

[@marcinsobon5586]

@@OnigoroshiZero master tell us something about tech

[@JackCrossSama]

@@marcinsobon5586 like dropping dish washing soap in the ocean

[@eeveemikat]

There are noise removal filters that remove the glaze and nightshade noise. So while it does protect some scrapers it's not enough. We really need to push for laws that protect artists

[@christophemortier5878]

You can't copyright a style unfortunately, so it's not possible.

[@Aphil-art]

Laws won't do anything. What should happen is better versions of Nightshade and Glaze.

[@GalaxColor]

​@@Aphil-artlaws do stuff. Regulations exist.

[@GalaxColor]

Noise removal filters don't work

[@Aphil-art]

@@GalaxColor copyright and similar laws have always worked for those with deeper pockets than their opposition

[@corylcreates]

The shitty thing about Adobe's "clarification" is that they didn't re-update the terms of service. I'm hoping AI-prompted images are just a gimmick and they go away once viewers see that they're kinda trash and the datasets are run dry. Nightshade feels like the better option to combat this because AI is being pushed so, so heavily by shareholders in these companies and businesses. They want people to buy into their AI products as a "solution" to... Really, just not paying artists (like illustrators and photographers). They need to see that artists who don't consent to their works being used without permissions will take action when things like copyright laws and licensing haven't caught up to the digital age. I love the big fuck-you to the data training. We need more legislation. We need businesses to fear their consumers because they really are at the whim of what consumers want and use.

[@Hadoken.]

You “hope” viewers will see? You mean the same viewers who pay top price for a piece of cardboard and artery clogging plastic McDonalds calls a burger? You’re delusional if you think anyone can rely on the public.

[@beaniegenie8735]

@@Hadoken.not much else to rely on. Companies don’t care for the most part sadly

[@reginaldforthright805]

@@Hadoken.personally, I hope that big corporations will realize that even though it will cost them money, abandoning ai is the right thing to do.

[@GalaxColor]

GAI is just a bubble that will soon pop. There are tons of lawsuits against AI companies and there are even new proper regulations being added

[@burgeryoufoundbehindthegrill]

People still look at Van Gogh, take pottery classes, play card games, and camp in the woods for fun. Just dont feed the machine.

[@marselo1316]

Well people don’t really have a choice in feeding the machines cuz the corps do it regardless. People just have to be vocal abt how much they hate the machine and never accept it as “okay”

[@tartadefresa.7960]

@@marselo1316 Tienes toda la verdad, Marselo.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

And people will still be able to draw. The only issue of all these butthurt artists is that they will lose their easy money from making images... No one will stop them from drawing, but they don't really care about it, just the economic aspect of it.

[@Ellie-bj2uw]

​@@OnigoroshiZeroUh duh... Would you like to work for free? If you work in IT would you like to be fired and go broke because your boss decided that they would prefer an AI to you? Of course you won't be happy even if you enjoy computer stuff. Nobody likes doing stuff for free.

[@goodnightasmr7720]

I do voiceovers and it’s so insulting when you make mistakes and people go “I can get cheaper and better from AI” like people don’t naturally breathe or stutter. the imperfections make us human

[@Amelia_PC]

And that's exactly why I want to hire humans. Their voices' "imperfections" are what I'm looking for. I have to use ElevenLabs for a placeholder in a project I'm doing. As soon as I get money from crowdfunding, I'll replace it with human voice actors. I hate that robotic crap without breathing sounds.

[@Synthesia-ef7hj]

why would imperfections making you human mean your customers want imperfections?

[@Amelia_PC]

@@Synthesia-ef7hj Yes, imperfections are definitely needed to some degree to create a more organic aesthetic, as opposed to synthetic "perfection" that can come across as ugly. I'm pretty sure he is referring to imperfections that create an organic feel. Consider 2D animation, for example. Even today, 3D animation often struggles to capture the organic quality that 2D animation achieves. From an organic perspective, a purely synthetic aesthetic can appear dull.

[@goodnightasmr7720]

@@Synthesia-ef7hj my point was that sometimes people want such crystal clear audio with no hint of accent, which is when hard for most people due to cultural and regional differences. For example, I had a client who would send me AI references for how they thought English words/slang were pronounced, and when I tried to explain that that was an AI and not how the region says it (think Jawn for a Philly based company), they got very defensive of the AI

[@StuartLand]

@@Amelia_PC You don't understand how to use 11 or editing. It's 100% not robotic and has breathing if you know how to use it.

[@alexandrabahtishi6193]

AI will be the downfall of Hollywood. The studios want it to cut corners in hope of quick revenue but the audience won't buy into it. This will be the nail in the coffin.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Hollywood has no future either way. By the end of 2025 anyone will be able to just ask an AI model to generate any kind of video he wants, and it will be there waiting for him within a few minutes. I will not pay to watch the garbage they make when I can have an AI generate anything I want to watch.

[@alexandrabahtishi6193]

@@OnigoroshiZero So true!

[@movestattoo4561]

@@OnigoroshiZerohow much you want to bet on that?

[@TheSidewalk7]

I don't think AI can ruin art in a sense. What makes art so special is the fact that it can be done by us, humans. You take that away, and really, all there is is a flat superficial image. The art is really in the process that leads to the result, and when a piece of art is completely done by a human, without the use of AI at all, then that inspires and motivates people. AI will never replace that. Artists will always have a career. I believe that 100%. One day people will ask if a piece of art is really done by a human, and in finding out that it was done by a human, people could be even more exhilarated than even now. So in a way, It may do the opposite for us artists, or at least I hope so. The real problem is finding out if a piece of art is really done completely by a human without AI.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

I agree, I think too many people value art based on its dollar value, but in reality, art isn't about money. If your only goal is to make money, you would be better off in finance. Art is about sharing your soul with others!

[@TheSidewalk7]

@@Naoto-kun1085 exactly, very well put.

[@baiwuli6781]

"You take that away, and really, all that remains is a flat superficial image." You see, the problem is that many people just need a "flat superficial image". For example, a comic book writer only needs the illustrations. An advertiser only needs an image with cool VFX of their product. A video game company only needs concept art for the characters. Most people don't care if these AI-generated works lack "soul"; they just want illustrations. If AI can produce them, they will use it.

[@TheSidewalk7]

@@baiwuli6781 I agree to an extent. I really mean that the process is the highlight. I think people can be subconsciously inspired and motivated if they find art amazing that's done by a person entirely. That's me though.

[@GalaxColor]

Also gAI just copied stolen media. It is nothing without stealing.

[@Rookie_Ninja_OSC]

Man, AI is WAY too wild.

[@chrisaitan]

its scary yeah, i honestly dont now if i should start an animation course like i dreamt of if next year a new ai animator comes out and im wasting years in uni. its sad but what can one do?😊😀

[@suu1998]

​@@chrisaitan Follow your dreams, AI "art" is just a fad and it might be gone by the time you finish school

[@chrisaitan]

@@suu1998 ♥

[@jumpy2783]

​@@chrisaitan Don't worry, we'll help protect that dream of yours

[@amateurbarnaby]

​@@yeswoo4452 i literally saw people who just use canva make 6 digits. You can still follow your dreams and earn from it, you just have to be strategic when approaching it.

[@bobothebob4716]

We have a saying in my field and that is, the first 80% progress is 1% of the total amount of work. It's that last 20% that will kill you. Short of a major breakthrough, I doubt AI will replace the fully trained and skilled artists, but it may very well replace those that are in that 80% tier. I look to self driving cars for example. Sure they can handle 80% of situations, but that last 20% is crucial. 20 years ago they were saying cabs/uber drivers would be unemployed within the decade... yet here we are, with self driving cars still ramming telephone poles 20 years later.

[@reginaldforthright805]

20 years from now, no one will know how to read or tie their shoes thanks to ai

[@JackCrossSama]

@@reginaldforthright805 20 years from now we will have robot wars

[@goulgoulgoul]

@@JackCrossSama if that happens I hope they have the decency to make the 1st flesh covered robot look like Arnold Schwarzenegger

[@quboqut]

I like to think ai will not replace artist since people enjoy human art, my biggest concern is the flooding of content ai is going to create, making it harder and harder for REAL art to pop up.

[@cxrindgo]

thank you for the vid! i’ve been a bit intimidated by the glaze/nightshade setup, but i’ll think i’ll go ahead and set it up! ❤❤

[@enoshade]

02:53 I tried to opt out of meta's data scraping, mentioning that I lived in the EU when most of the works on my account were made and posted and so GDPR should apply, but even after going to the effort they replied explicitly that they will not go ahead with the opt-out because they cannot find 'evidence of personal information' in outputs.

[@spam-el3ee]

Who HONESTLY expected the corporations to keep their word and defend the people they profit off of, instead of pursuing even more profit? Not me..

[@corylcreates]

It's such bullshit. I 100% doubt that they went through their data sets looking for specific personal information. Can you imagine any other company saying "no you can't opt out because we can't find your information in the data set"? That's fucking terrifying because how do we know they even have the data to begin with? How are they keeping track of a user's data? They're trying to use this stupid loophole that a user needs to have evidence that their data has been used, but without access to the training models and data sets, users can't prove that. It should be enough to say "I don't consent and I would like my data removed from all databases and servers, per GDPR regulation."

[@youdontneedtoreadthis]

How did you phrase your opt out? I wonder if it's about the wording of what you write in the opt out form. I just said that my work that is posted is my own intellectual property and I don't give them permission or consent for it to be used in any way, including in ai training data sets. And that if my request is denied I'll have no choice but to delete all my posts immediately. I got approval right away. I don't know but I'm wondering if maybe they are obliged by law in eu/uk to approve if you most explicitly and bluntly state you don't consent. Otherwise, if you phrase it more like asking, they might use it as an opportunity to evade the point and try to subdue you with nonsense like "well, your personal info isn't found in the data set". Which is complete bullshit btw. So what if it isn't found, I still want to opt out and whether it's found or not is irrelevant. Anyway, I don't know if it has anything to do with the wording, just me speculating. That would also explain why they make you write them a frickin letter instead of just providing an opt out button - to use any possible loophole.

[@lesley1204]

(fellow european) I barely post on my ig, but I still have images that are directly linked to my identity so I didn't even bother to phrase it in a 'professional' or 'polite' way. I never asked for them to data-scrape my account, so why should I be? lolI just said that I was disgusted by the new policy and demanded to be opted out of it. I got a reply within seconds, whether they'll actually follow through on it, idk. But maybe you could try it that way, if you've found no success so far?

[@skullchimes]

@@lesley1204 that only works in europe and countries w same type of laws related. if you're in the US, tough luck!

[@mari-us6zg]

I feel like even having AI help you do character turnarounds kind of defeats the purpose of doing one in the first place. I know there are parts of art that are more laborious but that’s why human made art is so impressive. I feel like the real problem is how quickly people are expected to churn out art in order to meet studio demands and deadlines. I wish we could just hire more artists for certain projects , create slowly, and reject generative AI altogether.

[@Bruh-vf8np]

The masses agree, the capitalist pigs says no tho

[@Synthesia-ef7hj]

is using ctrl z also cheating? real artists cant undo their mistakes

[@Bruh-vf8np]

​​@@Synthesia-ef7hj God forbid we use erasers or whiteouts

[@pine8839]

@@Synthesia-ef7hj Don’t be stupid now, that’s nowhere near the same thing

[@Synthesia-ef7hj]

@@pine8839 op literally said its art being hard that makes it art, ctrl z makes it easier, so does that mean if you use ctrl z its less art?

[@EllieFreitasIlustra]

This made me feel a lot better, as a small artist I didn't really know what I could do but glaze/nightshade seems interesting. It's an easy way to push back and protect ourselves.

[@libniteles]

Well, I studied programming and artificial intelligence in school. I learned some things in college about cognition, and today I work as a designer. I can contribute to this debate, I guess. Everyone needs to understand that generative AI is not a big industry conspiracy. This is not some evil plan to destroy us all. The history of this technology goes back more than 40 years. It was already suspected, even in the 1990s, that at some point artificial neural networks would become so good that they could completely describe a photograph. It is a scientific matter. The hype happens today because the big industry saw that, in the last years, these algorithms have become so good that they could now exploit them commercially. What can reassure creative professionals about AI is that you need to know what you're doing to produce something useful. This applies to everyone, from translators using AI to architects and illustrators. This part is exemplified in the art director’s comment. It's no use, AI doesn't know what composition, perspective, style, and color are. It is an empty algorithm with no intentionality that mines the data of hundreds of millions of users. This is where the debate about AI gets ugly. This is not about banning AI. This is impossible. It's about making it clear that OpenAI, MidJouney, Google, and many other companies are illegally stealing our data and that we need to do something about it. These companies know this, they know that what they are doing is incorrect or even illegal, but they also know that their business model will be seriously compromised if they don't do it this way. AI is an expensive thing. What will happen when governments regulate this? What will happen when celebrities and artists win their lawsuits? What will happen when pornography generated using the faces of children causes a negative stir in public opinion? Because of that it is already being debated whether this AI hype is economically sustainable. We artists should understand as much as possible how AI works. Yes, AI is useful in many ways. It's just a machine, there's no need to be afraid. However, we must be aware of what billion-dollar companies can do, just as we must show that tech companies cannot do what they want at any cost, or, otherwise, they will start to suffer FINANCIALLY. PS: Review your terms Adobe, I've been missing Gimp a lot lately..

[@Hadoken.]

The only way people can be protected by this is an international Bill of Digital Rights. That’s the only way. But I don’t expect that to ever happen given politicians are local, corporations are global, politicians are worth a few million, corporations worth billions or trillions. Hence even if such an effort was to be made, the corporations have all the power in the world to push back on that and destroy it. Why? Well because then anything someone does online belongs to them. You can’t “opt in” or “opt out” without written, signed, notarized contracts. Similarly here. This means that whenever you Google something or are snooping around in Amazon, the digital marks you’re leaving, the labor, belongs to you. Google or Amazon can’t use it. Thus far they have. Whenever someone is browsing for things they’d want to buy they are teaching Amazon’s algorithm to show you what you’d be most likely to buy, in effect making Amazon a profit. Amazon is monetizing the digital labor you put into perfecting their algorithm to predict what you and people like you want. It’s like owning a piece of land and having cement, steel and bricks on it, and inviting people to take a minute to lay a brick on their way to work or wherever. Thousands of people and hours later the collective effort of these people put into this thing freely has created a huge building the owner now had and will monetize, effectively privatizing public labor for nothing! That’s where we’ve been at in regards to the internet for decades. This is just the most obvious case. And lawsuits against the AI companies won’t do squat. We need a Bill of Digital Rights.

[@ThreeRoundBurstMusic]

I would rather ban it, honestly.

[@doodleoffice221]

It's developing so fast laws are falling behind failing to cover it. It needs to be banned first, discussed later.

[@randomtinypotatocried]

I thought there already has been cases of AI making CP content

[@sakunaasura3726]

Im not really afraid of AI, in fact i think its a really cool technology. What really scares me is the people using it, you go on the internet 99% of them are saying that they aren't stealing but at the same time saying that artist/creative workers arent necessary, so far they just demonstrated a narcicist public image.

[@emmadilemma4177]

think the process of glazing/night shading my previous artwork feels daunting because iv posted so much on my insta and twitter wish they can allow a similar feature to DeviantArt were you can keep a art piece up but update it though the edit tab so you don't have to take it down fully anyways I'm glad to hear a professional's pov on this topic, great work Jackie!

[@thatwittyname2578]

Using these processes on past posted work is likely a fruitless endeavor anyways. If it was already posted in the past it's likely already been scrapped and sitting in a dataset. This really only applies to future works you may post.

[@emmadilemma4177]

@@thatwittyname2578 yeah, ive learned from another video recently that there really isn't a place to hide your art anyways, Cara especially says you cant post AI but someone could still manually take your art from their site to give to their AI

[@Synthesia-ef7hj]

​@@emmadilemma4177cara is basically just a gold mine for ai since they know none of the images are ai generated, its literally the perfect data set

[@DaKussh]

I'm starting a project, an interactive visual novel... I tried the AI stuff,but gave up... so I decided to start learning to draw from scratch. Wich me luck coz I ain't more than 6 months to get fairly good at this.

[@Felgaldhinio]

On the Meta data scraping for those who live the UK and I imagine EU too, literally filed my request for my data not be used and after verifying my email address literally 1 min later was approved so looks like their not arduous back a forth. For the paragraph I literally wrote, " don't want the Zuck to be perv, thanks" so don't worry about writing convincing argument, they probs put it their as deterrent to people opting out. and of course Great video Jackie!

[@imliterallyjustsomeguy]

I love your use of the term “prompters”. It’s so succinct.

[@kittiekat1236]

I’m afraid of loosing authenticity, in all creative works. Music, books, art, movies just seems like ai is slowly flooding the space and I feel like I’ll be having to tell younger generations that the internet is just full of lies and to ensure we are critically analysing absolutely everything we see. It’s exhausting

[@motulifelikefigures1987]

exactly the next genertion becomes a society full of non believers while everything you will see has to be checked if real or not. you can't trust anything anymore- no pictures no music no movies. everything can be generated and faked. Newest trend on tiktok are schlager hits in the style of the 70s with new joke lyrics. but it sounds so real, people think they do exist.

[@chrisaitan]

istg if they make an animation ai im gonna lose it, i pray every day that day will never come but, its inevitable

[@Rookie_Ninja_OSC]

Ikr?

[@Dovieandi]

Already available I'm afraid

[@chrisaitan]

@@Dovieandi ik for 3d animation but 2d animation? i feel like there might be a blind spot for ai when it comes to handdrawn 2d animation and its beautiful imperfection, 3d rigs and basic 2d rigs will be AI-ed for sure but im still hopeful that when it comes to hand drawn frame by frame the greedy businessmen keep their hands off

[@junoismad]

i mean there is a tool like that, but it looks so lifeless fortunately and it cannot generate objects consistently. but im afraid its a yet tho.

[@unacceptable623]

there's one vid viral in twitter now unfortunately... and it looked decent enough that you wouldn't know it's ai if you were just scrolling through the timeline :/

[@akiradrawsforu]

Im very inspired by your work,and would live to be as professional as you one day.

[@Rookie_Ninja_OSC]

Same here!

[@FaltaziusLalotte]

I just finished downloading Glaze and Nightshade ! I can't wait to use them 😈

[@OnigoroshiZero]

2 years later, and they produced 0 results. The image and video generation models keep getting better. Maybe next time try to learn how these models work, and how they are trained.

[@a_confused_spoon]

I would love to start an art account someday, both on insta and on Cara (I have X but I barely post there so), but perhaps I'm gonna wait a bit to see how everything goes with the new platform and with Glaze and Nightshade. I'm very happy to hear some positivity tho! Especially from experienced artists

[@Bruh-vf8np]

Im on pillowfort! Its also a website that completely bans ai content, the place is very welcoming and settled down there. Also trying out Cara!

[@imclueless9875]

Adobe saying they only use license content.... Then change their TOS to include YOUR content AS LICENSED CONTENT by giving them consent to do so. The audacity of that is wild. I love the idea of Glaze and Nightshade but im sorry waiting up to almost 2 hours or more is just not feasible NOR do i want to wait that long to simply add basically a filter to my image. They need to bring that process time WAY WAY down to make it more applicable to people. That time frame alone really puts off alot of people like myself.

[@Daniel.F-3dart]

And Master Hayao Miyazaki said it when they offered him to use that garbage from open.. "The human being is losing faith in himself, it is an insult to life itself" Saying that a slot machine that spits out random noise, stolen and violating copyright, is art,... It's like saying I'm a professional cook for putting a purchased pizza in the microwave.

[@RenaissanceX2]

One of the issues I can’t stand with the AI fear mongering is all the people calling out other peoples artwork as being AI created when they don’t even know. I’ve even seen people say “if you don’t show a process video it isn’t real.” 🤯 So for every piece of art I post online I have to post a “making of” video to not have people claim it’s AI?! Come on people we are allowing our fear to divide the artist community, sending people into an AI witch hunting frenzy. We’re better than that.

[@AlexW1495]

Nah, AI is a threat much more grave than having to prove your work. If your work is the type that would attract doubts, then you have the capacity to show the process. Over the past couple of months there have been multiple AI prompters pretending to be artists, posting obvious AI, getting called out, and doubling down. Only to get proven for the leeches they are.

[@annorakanon]

i saw the thumbnail cut off and thought it was saying AI is ending. got so excited there man

[@ChantelleArts]

I'd heard of glaze and nightshade but didn't know where to start, so thank you for explaining in a way that makes sense! 🥰

[@Artofcarissa]

So glad you mentioned Brad Colbow’s video! He also mentioned you in one of his videos about art KZbinrs he follows

[@JackieDroujko]

WHAAA drop the vid pls

[@Artofcarissa]

@@JackieDroujko kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6C6hWdmoJxjp7Msi=dyN5ONz3LvqIPYBF

[@Artofcarissa]

KZbin keeps hiding my comment when I add a link but it’s called “Art KZbinrs I’m learning from right now” and it was uploaded 2 months ago

[@Nanda_Bond]

Thank you for making this helpful video Jackie!

[@i_draw_whatever18]

Ai won’t stop me from drawing Sure, it might take away my ability to make money from art but it’ll never stop me from drawing Drawing is the only thing I’m good at anyway

[@miketwotwenty]

I’m not going to stop drawing either!

[@alejandromolinac]

So weird….. here in Miami we got a gazillion art galleries with price tags on the prettt pictures

[@purpleshark5957]

That mic setup you have is very cute

[@aldurinpictures]

It's comforting to know that as scary as generative AI is getting, it's also so fragile that a little thing like barely-perceptible squiggles on an art piece can make it fall to pieces.

[@Logan-t1d]

I really don’t see AI really taking down artists anytime soon. To me it going to be more a a useful tool for “ready made” concept art then anything really serious.

[@jumpy2783]

Yeah in the 3D space I compare it to things like auto retopology. It's quick useful and fast, but it's MUCH MUCH better to do it manually

[@peacefulman2196]

Already took. Before for big project you needed 10 artists. Now - 2 is enough. Also, completely destroyed artists on stock markets.

[@mangled_orgnz]

Man that Japan trip sounds awesome! Too bad im only a 17 year old brokie 😞 hope everyone who does go have fun!

[@PutineluAlin]

Eww

[@mangled_orgnz]

@@PutineluAlin uhhhh

[@SlapstickGenius23]

@@mangled_orgnz I had been on a trip to Japan. It’s a cool country and you’ll be amazed by it. I’ve brought some of my collectibles to Australia.

[@misswomble]

I love that you made the last slide to promote the anti AI Scraping

[@santitabnavascues8673]

It is not the end of artists, rather the death of art sites flooded with algorithmical imagery.

[@acebase555]

I actually think your piece with the highest intensity glaze looks really cool. It looks good in all three, but I really like the texture it gives the cloud.

[@ZaaraSuhrawardysVlogs]

Why do people even want AI art? We humans can do it just fine, so why go the extra mile to do something that can already be done? To do it better? More efficiently? It's failing, clearly, since AI can't accomplish many things humans can, so why do people continue to push and try to create AI art?

[@peacefulman2196]

They want ai art because its cheaper and faster.

[@ZaaraSuhrawardysVlogs]

@@peacefulman2196 Mmm fair point. I guess that's the worst part; industries and companies will do anything to cut corners...

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Cheaper, faster, and better if you spend 2-3 minutes more. Also, no hassle of interacting with entitled humans.

[@ZaaraSuhrawardysVlogs]

@@OnigoroshiZero unfortunately true but i guess that's what gets me. These artists should be entitled to their work but thanks to humans' greed they're denied basic decency :/

[@batabids]

lazy people want to make art but don't want to put the work in

[@aporue5893]

you know there's something wrong when a literal robot has faster success than an actual,talented,living artist.

[@ghb323]

Let’s not forget that FurAffinity had at one point an “Artist” post ai generated furry genitalia every 40 seconds. If art sites, paid or not, are not careful, their entire search gets flooded with garbage. This makes an artist have trouble gaining followers or any form of engagement.

[@just_a_magikarp]

what I've personally been doing for my own work for a while is putting a very subtle static filter over it. all I do is take a screenshot of static and put it at two or three percent opacity over my work.

[@dumbellcrunches9049]

Amazing work, keep on , lots of wishes from 🇳🇵 ❤

[@danielcalencar]

It seems that the battle between Art-protection and Art-stealing is becoming pretty much like software security against hackers. It's an arms race, once one is updated, the other will be updated as well.

[@Nohzana]

I was watching Kelsey Rodriguez video on Cara being a substitute for Instagram, and she brought up what i think is valid point, it being that even if artists move over to Cara, we would still need the audience outside of the art circle to join, specially if your aiming to sell your artwork/products to them and grow on that sense (if the audience you seek is not only other artists in this case). And why that matters is that i think it might be a similar case when it comes to artists trying to shine a light on how bad AI can be Even though the artistic community might be big, it doesn't beat off the people outside of that circle, people who probably are the target to most AI-using companies and their advertising. As long as the growing number of people who use it are unaware of/ don't seek to understand the risks it brings to the art community, those who advertise it might as well ignore one of the sides to focus on the one that still benefits them.

[@artillujas]

This makes prints and physical peices of art more valuable.

[@IaconDawnshire]

As long as ppl will continue physical medium for art, artists will never fade away

[@Blaze6108]

"Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation"

[@theartofkatelyn]

Thank you so much for this video! I think me and alot of other artists really needed something with hope and information on how to fight back on AI art. Definitely trying to figure out how to learn Glaze and Nightshade. I also was wondering how you feel about the Adobe situation and if you are currently looking or going to use other software for your art. I would love to hear your recommendations as a replacement for Photoshop.

[@Bugulab]

currently i’m copying shot from my neighbor totoro movie in oil on canvas by hand. i’m even not using cheatings like projector. it’s such a joy to be able to create something with hands. because i want to be artist, not prompt writer.

[@Banana-zu8tn]

The fact that I got an ad for an AI software ON THIS VIDEO

[@dmwalker24]

I'm not a graphic artist, but I am a musician, and one with about 20 years experience in computer science. These AI models are basically worthless, because they have virtually no precise control over what is generated. No fields to type numeric values into, sliders for color grading, or checkboxes for modes of operation. It's literally billions of dollars, and gigawatts of power to develop a 'tool' that is utterly worthless.

[@Nogardtist]

algorithm usually the first problem for anyone besides being a ghost artist or unwanted artist has its own perks like peace and quiet the most important one and maybe having a real person accidentally come across my garbage that they liked by accident or something

[@MikoRaiton]

Omg, imma glaze all of my digital arts from now on!

[@Mr-pb2co]

It's pretty risky to say, but I'm still gonna say it: It was never the machine fault. The more I watch videos about this whole situation with ai, the more Is, that ai is pictured as some kind of villain machine, that wanna steal our art. But that's not how it works. Ai is programmed to do only what people told it, and it's never been living on it's own. At least I hope so... So the judgments, that goes on ai, Is actually should go on people and companies that programmed the machine to do so. Trust me, ai would never awake on it's self one day and decided to steal from artists. I think that the art community should deal not only with AI itself, but also with companies: write petitions, submit applications, arrange proteses. Anything to get through to people in the first place, not to a soulless machine

[@Renikee]

As a small artist. I have seen an AI image of a well known character, which I have also drawn, but the image was way too similar to my art! The pose, the face, the background, all of them were way too similar to not accuse it of stealing my art! So even if you're a small artist, if people find your art great, they will be able to use it for AI.

[@miketwotwenty]

I hate it! Ai is messing up to many things!

[@tsukishimakou2151]

Compering Rybczyński's "Tango" to the animation made from stolen work is crazy to me...

[@King_of_Sofa]

I'd say the impact of A.I. art trades some of the value in creation for curation. The validation for creative effort has decreased (the same way a horse plowing a field has) but the rule of cool is still in play

[@Lakeside80]

I feel like this AI stuff will teach us what it means to appreciate art. It's the same reason why we appreciate good movies over bad. Sure, the general consumers will watch the bad, but they are forgotten because they're just a big amalgam of corporate data sets. When you can make everything so easily, you'll eventually see what matters.

[@lelxrv]

I'm honestly thinking I will be working in retail in a couple of years, if AI continues to grow as fast as it did in the last few years.

[@Matthewmest]

I'm an animator and I was going to go to Annecy this summer. But when I heard they accept AI films I didn't go. I respect myself and my work and would never go to a festival that disrespects me and my fellow artists and they are proud of it.

[@efae]

What if someone screenshot-ed your artwork and uploaded it. Would the glaze or nightshade still work?

[@peacefulman2196]

yes

[@8momojay]

thank you for making this video Droujko! i'm going to glaze/nightshade my art now, as well as my bf's art! :c

[@nocturnus009]

All of this reminds me of the prescient points Amy Webb made in The Big Nine: How the Tech Titans and Their Thinking Machines Could Warp Humanity. Side note: seek out her thoughts on accountability chain. Thank you for this. I think the issue here is folks NEED to fast track this particular flavor of artificial intelligence before we get to AGI. I am reminded of the Cleo Abram video where she used gen ai alongside a digital artist friend. He got better results because he knew what to ask. The advancement since then has been on lowering the bar to access. Not expanding the range of utility. The solutions you have presented are necessary spikes in the yellow brick road. The [non-artists] making the decisions have made it clear they will only be held accountable if caught.

[@kuma-kun7056]

These common artstyles that generate from AI are now easy to call out. AI just copies artstyles from the original artist. Which is why I feel these artists should be credited for the artstyles the AI come up with. It’s important to research the original artist.

[@KitsDad24]

This was a great video - thanks for being a source of optimism on this topic!

[@tomascrenzel7446]

A while go i wrote to you to ask you about AI, to see if there was any hope of me becoming an animator or artist with it's rise. Thank you for this video

[@captainbagels]

Squarespace also automagically opted in their subscribers to allow AI crawling. Without letting the subscribers know. Late 2022 I asked Squarespace support if they allow or plan to allow AI crawling from third parties. The answer, documented, was an absolute no, followed by "we respect your content and privacy" and all that. Been in conversations with customer support for a week now, because squarespace also broke my trust. Even as a paying business account subscriber (that costs $260 annually), they see me as a product instead of the other way around.

[@Robin_Sen]

Hey Jackie!! I am a young drawer, I want to be a prop designer, an animator and game developer, but it genuinely seems like it’s getting hopeless with how AI is taking over, and in the near future it’s most likely that AI will take over. Would you recommend sticking with the passion or find a job that makes more money?

[@elsalark.156]

I love this, let's use Hobie Brown as the symbol of our artsy revolution🍻

[@josevitorcalfa2]

Things are like the Wild West right now. Instead of keeping myself in the dark waiting for the best, I went to study AI, how it works, and its flaws. As far as I can tell, the idealization of Generative Art AI is the core problem. Art AIs were created with the philosophy of making money off the “do art yourself art at home or at work without the need of an artist” market, instead of being created as a tool to improve artists productivity. Besides the obvious ethical problems, AI also have a certain component of randomness that is its Achilles heels ATM (it could change with time, but for now, it is): You just don't know what you're gonna get with AI. If you are a layman in art, that detail is not important. If you know how to draw, you have one BIG advantage over it: Precision and intent. Also, I personally think that the AI market is a time bomb, specially in the art sector. Two particular scenarios are very capable to happen in the future IMO: 1) AI complete saturates the market, no new art is produced to feed the machines, the industry is forced to go beck to use human art because there is no innovation. 2) The management of intellectual property becomes impossible. As things are now, not only artists were used as sacrificial lambs to feed the machines, but some big companies' art got in the blender too. They didn't notice yet, but their intellectual property is ALREADY being stolen, they just didn't felt in their pockets yet. And that, my people, is not a matter of maybe, is a matter of when. At some point, these big companies that now advocate so intensely about using AI to cut costs will be in the same position of the artists they fired: some AI replacing then. Expect heavy lobby from those companies to regulate or prohibit AI.

[@nekorina9011]

i hope a web version of Nightshade will come out. I tried to run Glaze on my PC and it made my computer pretty hot (it also said it would take hours.). Granted, it's kind of old, but I still want to protect my art.

[@enthusiastinquestion711]

my guess is that we as a society will eventually get tired of ai generated soulless content, lack of human feeling in products and such, and re-discover the value of human art.. i hope. tho i feel like with how much numb consumerism and anti-intellectualism (?) there is, my guess aint gonna happen in my lifetime :")

[@amethystimagination3332]

Ai is just gonna make the lack of originality problem in mainstream media worse, because instead of artists doing their best with what greedy executives are forcing them to remake and reboot, greedy executives will be copy pasting the same things into ai over and over again without even a hint of variety. In the long run all AI is gonna do is make more people flock to indie animation in search of something authentic.

[@inquizitive1]

Blender, Procreate, Cara here I come

[@MistyOnDaGas]

reasons on why AI art wont take over all artists jobs, A company provides goods and services for the people so they need to provide things that people actually want, First of all AI art cant be copyrighted meaning they would be providing non copyrighted art which wont end well, second no one wants things made by AI like would you rather read a book made by a person or an AI? obv a person right... If the people dont want things made by AI, companies will be forced to not use AI created things. These are my reasons on why I dont think I will fully take over, also I think Its only booming right now only because its a new thing and its in its spotlight. only time will tell though.

[@miketwotwenty]

Ai is messing up too many things, we as artist got to stand up against this Ai art mess!

[@usadasancan]

I am a beginer artist (practicing digital painting ^-^) and I don't feel it is right to put my baby art online. However, I do post my writing online. I write a lot of web fiction and fan fics and I love posting them on my blog and AO3 for others to read and communicate with my fandom and friends. However, at least as of right now, there is no way to protect online writing from AI scraping and I really wish there was so I could go back to sharing what I love with my friends and fellow fic readers ;-; As of right now, my only option is to just keep my writing to myself, which while not the worst thing (the pressure to perform is gone, yay!), defeats the purpose of using writing and storeytelling as a way to communicate with others and make friends.

[@milkteamachine]

What gets me is that the AI generated images are so bland. Even if they’re nice looking, there’s just never anything interesting going on because the AI naturally doesn’t have taste and just goes for an average of the images it knows.

[@EmlynBoyle]

No and it never will. If anything, AI has made me improve my game at painting, illustrating eh. AI is like 3D and NFTs...it will make a big splash initially, then slowly fade as most folk realise what a hollow con it actually is.

[@asmarloki8553]

NFT is definitely bad, but what's wrong with 3d? Sure, those AAA companies have boring hyper mega realistic 3d, but I've seen a lot of artists who make very nice stylized 3d models. 3d is like sculpting, some people make cool stuff with it and there is nothing wrong with the medium

[@gail_blue]

I use AI art to promote my stories, which I don't charge for (I'm a writer). But I'm looking to put out a novel, so I've been soliciting traditional artists for the cover. It's doing something weird to my brain, where all the AI art looks cheap and plastic, and all the human art (even things I remember as being master pieces) looks like a child drew them. I think I'd be happier if all art was left to humans, but AI art has made it feasible for someone like me (not a huge company) to have access to it. It's bittersweet.

[@beatjunkybg]

Once the EU comes up with some laws to prohibit AI to copy from your art I think big companies and countries around the world will have to follow. It usually hapoens like that in recent years

[@Mikullas]

I tested that Nightshade/Glaze, then uploaded it on some server, where they let you change face with AI on the drawing and it seemed to be not bothered by that special noise. Maybe it is disturbing training data, but if someone want to plagiarise directly your concrete artwork, it may won't help.

[@minamo4012]

No but yes. Because consumers do not care if it's human made or not. it looks good, then it's good.

[@sum8601]

Aye it really is all down to that. Sure people can make arguments about how the REAL artists will never die because AI works are inherently soulless in their aesthetics and could never do X or Y but the fact is the average consumer is not going to care. Worse, its a distinction that companies don't care about, even those where quality art has been their defining hallmark are happily adopting AI. So Art won't die as a form of human expression but commercially speaking its pretty over and will largely serve as a hobby.

[@minamo4012]

@@sum8601 I think the future is all about character building and story telling. Not just fancy looking good feeling kind shit that already all over the internet. People who can really build a world will be needed.

[@AlexW1495]

And? Consumers also want free shit. Should companies just make everything free, then? Or is it just the ones that you aren't boot licking?

[@minamo4012]

@@AlexW1495 Yeah, consumers do want free shit, but how is that working out right now? Every price is up, more subscription on everything you can even imagine, free is usually the one cost most. Companies will not make things free unless it will make more money, like free to play. I don't know, do you think anybody can stop this? Most people say they care, but no they don't. Obviously not care enough to help the artist other than say I care.

[@voodoochild420ai]

great topic and discussion, loved the vid

[@danielvereb4579]

Screw Adobe and Photoshop, use Krita.

[@LadyBlair.S]

Um. I hope WIX isnt stealing art to feed into an AI. I did not think of that being a possibility until you mention squarespace. I was using it for portfolio but i might just delete.

[@randomtinypotatocried]

I'm concern now about that too

[@Artmoreralph]

Heres what i do.... In PS i use it for graohoc design. Paintings i use clipstudio and procreate

[@BFanDesign]

I'm wondering... what if people massively uploaded nightshaded images? Would that really mess most of generative AI? 🤔

[@MojoMan49]

As a retired artist, the internet and now AI is choking off this profession at an exponential rate. Well, there’s always openings for non-union baristas at Starbucks 😢

[@Windgoddess540]

I’m definitely going to be Nightshading.