Is AI Worship A Blessing Or Blasphemy?

001011101111101. Just kidding. We aren't that artificially intelligent here at Wretched. However, your new hymn books might be.
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[@ctswag4204]

The use of AI in church is a classic example of asking if we can instead of asking if we should. All I'm saying is if I walked into a church and saw them using AI to worship or preach, I'd be walking right out.

[@Jazbo777]

I’d be flipping that u right behind you

[@joshuagarner1654]

Tradition is not salvation

[@gatehouse5209]

​@@joshuagarner1654And neither is innovation.

[@Warfeist]

AI does not have soul.

[@bensmith2596]

how would you know they used AI in their worship?

[@samuelsantiago180]

Real worship can only be expressed by repented and great full hearts.

[@beckijameson3844]

Grateful hearts are so important, yes.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

​@@beckijameson3844repentant hearts are key

[@KaylaCallender]

Nuff said

[@akekestory493]

Amen I've heard a few AI songs very worst very choppy and lacking of a specific theme

[@Jazbo777]

@@akekestory493 Where did you find these song?? I would love to check that out.

[@dubuyajay9964]

Considering the role of the Image of The Beast...curse.

[@tedprice5828]

The great hymns have been written. Why do we not sing them today. We have lost the theology behind them.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Exactly !!

[@lee-lee2418]

Some biblically-sound churches do still - Free Presbyterian, Gospel Halls, Brethren Assemblies, some Baptist Churches 😊

[@sidwhiting665]

The "great hymns have been written." . "Who else commands all the hosts of heaven? Who else could make every king bow down? Who else can whisper and darkness trembles? Only a Holy God What other beauty demands such praises? What other splendor outshines the sun? What other majesty rules with justice? Only a Holy God Come and behold Him The One and the Only Cry out, sing holy Forever a Holy God Come and worship the Holy God What other glory consumes like fire? What other power can raise the dead? What other name remains undefeated? Only a Holy God Who else could rescue me from my failing? Who else would offer His only Son? Who else invites me to call Him Father? Only a Holy God Only my Holy God -- City Alight, "Only a Holy God" "What gift of grace is Jesus my redeemer There is no more for heaven now to give He is my joy, my righteousness, and freedom My steadfast love, my deep and boundless peace To this I hold, my hope is only Jesus For my life is wholly bound to His Oh how strange and divine, I can sing, "All is mine" Yet not I, but through Christ in me The night is dark but I am not forsaken For by my side, the Saviour He will stay I labour on in weakness and rejoicing For in my need, His power is displayed To this I hold, my Shepherd will defend me Through the deepest valley He will lead Oh the night has been won, and I shall overcome Yet not I, but through Christ in me No fate I dread, I know I am forgiven The future sure, the price it has been paid For Jesus bled and suffered for my pardon And He was raised to overthrow the grave To this I hold, my sin has been defeated Jesus now and ever is my plea Oh the chains are released, I can sing, "I am free" Yet not I, but through Christ in me With every breath I long to follow Jesus For He has said that He will bring me home And day by day I know He will renew me Until I stand with joy before the throne To this I hold, my hope is only Jesus All the glory evermore to Him When the race is complete, still my lips shall repeat Yet not I, but through Christ in me" - City Alight, "Yet Not I but Through Christ in Me"

[@domingo-osabel]

Praise be to God for your life and service, Todd and the whole Wretched Ministry - love and prayers from the Philippines 🇵🇭

[@lewisedwards4058]

This technology will ALWAYS be owned by a corporate entity and that corporate entity will never be godly.

[@andrestonorivero4951]

Well, what if some Christian fellow creates its own AI engine. Will then it be a good thing?

[@italianviking80]

I don't know about AI worship, but I have seen enough science fiction to know that AI should never be given access to our nuclear arsenal.

[@Jazbo777]

Lol YES me 2

[@geraldarcuri9307]

We already have enough artificiality in contemporary worship. We don't need more. And, besides, how can anything generated by something without a soul, let alone the Holy Spirit, how could it possibly be worship?

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Amen .

[@criticalthinker2698]

What an awesome church! May the love of God and His grace fill each member of this church.❤

[@RepentfollowJesus]

What awesome church?

[@raoularmagnac2037]

But why are they all still wearing masks? 🤔😷🤔

[@RepentfollowJesus]

I'm asking which church you mean.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

@@raoularmagnac2037 probably an older vid

[@melzuber]

Loved getting to see the church at the end!! ❤

[@gidi4148]

AI just nailed the comptemporary song and i’m impressed.

[@Airpaycheck]

It’s a computer. Garbage in = Garbage out. But hey, as long as it comes from the computers heart……….

[@chuckbosio2924]

The worship leader once put to music (simple I-IV-V progression) for words written by a young woman with Down's syndrome. It was the loveliest tune to play for the congregation. Write your own worship music.

[@Reileb32daellve]

10,000 bibles... wow... how wonderful! What a blessing!

[@Savedbygrace22]

I’ve heard Kindle may be changing or eliminating the Bible on their app in the future because of not being PC. How hard would it be to have an A I audio version slip in or take out a few lines here or there? How many would notice? Get yourself a leather bound LSB, ESV, NKJV or any good version just in case and memorize God’s word if you can. 🙏✝️

[@Jazbo777]

Amein

[@davidrobinson5180]

I wrote this hymn in an hour using ChatGPT: The Promised King The promised King of old has come To ransom us and bring us home The hope of every tribe and tongue Elected by the Father's love The Prophet spoke of this great day When God would send his own display Of sovereign grace and saving power To rescue sinners from death's hour The Priest we need to intercede Has come to meet our every need Atonement made, the wrath appeased Redemption won, the captives freed The Conquering Lion, strong and brave Has crushed the serpent with one wave Salvation's work is fully done By Christ, the Father's chosen Son So let us bow before our King And all our love and worship bring For grace and mercy, love and might Are found in him, the Lord of light.

[@Jazbo777]

I like the lyrics And I like the rhymes

[@floydlooney6837]

How much help did you have to give it?

[@jaybelle1909]

It's nice but needs fine tuning... AI is just an aid program and that's all ppl should think of it as... I think if you changed up a few words and in some parts added better flow then it can be a good song...

[@JesusSavesBySacrifice]

Sounds Mormon like

[@davidrobinson5180]

@@floydlooney6837 I had to give it parameters, like use Messianic imagery from the Old Testament to describe Jesus. Near the end, I also asked it to be moderately Calvinistic. There were also a few lines or rhymes that I redirected it to improve.

[@themilkywayuniverse6962]

1:00 Think we Found the perfect guy for a veggietales live action movie😂😂😂

[@joshuakarr-BibleMan]

Jesus is a friend of mine! It's probably tje best worship song you've ever recommended, Todd.

[@ВладМусихин-т8м]

Still listening to it in a car😄

[@brendaduncan4347]

I didn't even know about the AI in our society until my son told me. I agree with all the reasons you gave, Todd, why we shouldn't listen to or sing AI's "music". Seeing the beloved people in Christ in the Philippines, made my day!!!

[@hempson1]

my worry is not about the rise of artificial intelligence in christian worship, its the fall if natural intelligence. feelings have become more more important than knowledge. its not *how* you *feel*, its *who* you *know*.

[@thehuguenot5615]

I'm a software developer. There is no such thing as true AI. It's simply just a program that gathers information from the internet and attempts to put it together to make it appear as if it's a human. It can only do what the developer has it do, and therefore this program is just grabbing data already written, programmed to be put together by guys like me.

[@268Jamal]

If we do not use it correctly, it can become an idol in the Christian's life. That AI preaching to the church in Germany is straight-up idolatry.

[@SusieQ3]

There are different types of feelings. Not all feelings are emotional. Intuition is also a feeling, but it's not an emotion. If you feel intuitively that a church seems off, you should probably go with that feeling.

[@furyfantoo]

I had a feeling about a local church we went to for a short time. I have since learned that they celebrate Pride Week and embrace all of that stuff. Glad to not have been on-site to see it roll-in firsthand.

[@laurarivera5875]

Aside from "The Matrix" 😊 AI can be manipulated by demon-inspired people. It can start out "harmless" and end up who knows where. #8 on the plus side mentioned writing something "new" that has not been thought of before. YIKES! As you mentioned writing God-glorifying music is the work of a Spirit-led individual and therefore cannot be done by a computer! I'm with you 100%

[@LarrySanger]

I’m very surprised the notion that AI might occasionally be demon-possessed didn’t crack the top ten on the “con” side!

[@RepentfollowJesus]

That very well could happen. I kind if touched on it in my long post.

[@Jazbo777]

@@fredthe47th I do not think a demon needs a human to possess I thing they are self sufficient, yet can possess even a herd of swine. They say even weegee board is use by demons and weegee boards don’t have mouths or voices only a triangle 🤔 It’s very creepy

[@LarrySanger]

@@fredthe47th because it’s an inanimate object?

[@jesusbeloved3953]

First, Todd, you are a hoot! I love watching you! Second, I like both the classical and contemporary Christian music. Third, as for AI…… I don’t know. The samples you gave were okay. They weren’t out of the normal of both those genres. Because we’d be singing them, wouldn’t we infuse them with the Holy Spirit in us? I’ve read novels written by Christian writers that have spoken deeply to my spirit. They weren’t written as such, but Holy Spirit uses whatever He chooses to reach us. Last, but not least; there’s some good contemporary Christian musicians and song writers (who aren’t Bethel or Hillsong). Casting Crowns, Matthew West, Big Daddy Weave, Mercy Me and others have written songs that have moved me to tears, made me look deeper into what they’re singing and raised my Spirit to higher praise. It doesn’t make sense to throw out the good with the bad. Just like it isn’t good to lump one category of anything and declare it’s worth based on one or two folks who are less than correct. God sees us all and what we do for Him in an individual manner. Shouldn’t we try to do the same?

[@ingods2954]

💕I love Todd!

[@ByDesign333]

Some point in time I expect Satan to hijack AI...maybe when the image of the beast has been constructed, as it will.

[@mach1205]

At my church we have services for both styles, contemporary and classical. So I appreciate both styles because being involved with the tech team I have worked in both types of worship services. I personally tend to favor contemporary although I'm leary of Bethel, Hillsong, etc. There are some good contemporary bands that I feel are theologically solid songs like Big Daddy Weave. A good contemporary band doesn't write from an every emotive Pentecostal perspective, but does blend personal experience with solid theology. I think "I Know" by Big Daddy Weave. As for my church, both the contemporary worship and the classical worship play "The Lion and the Lamb" by Big Daddy Weave, which is theologically loaded. The classical worship makes the song sound like it is an original hymn. I would say for people who favor contemporary, listen with discernment to the artist for the quality of what you are listening to and what you are singing back to the Lord. If you favor classical worship, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to the newer stuff because of what you hear coming from Steven Furtick, Hillsong, etc. Research the artists and understanding that most of the old classical hymns like Amazing Grace, Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus, Count Thou Fount, etc, where all new contemporary songs of their time, written by fallible humans. "Surrounded by your Glory, what will my heart feel? Will I dance for you Jesus, will I be able to move at all? I can only imagine." ;) Not a hymn.

[@sidwhiting665]

Thank you for saying this. I have encountered the same hostility towards modern Christian worship music. I'm sad to see Friel go this route. He must not have listened to the good stuff, or maybe he's like some who claim, "If there ain't a pipe organ, I won't go to church." Too bad... they're in for a surprise in heaven when there are zithers, harps, lyres, flutes, drums, loud clanging cymbals, etc. You know... all the stuff mentioned in the Psalms. And my guess is too we'll have drum kits, electric guitars, etc. . Some great modern Christian music is by City Alight, Matt Redman, Shane and Shane, Leeland, Red Rocks Worship, etc. My church doesn't do much by Hillsong, but the ones we do use are solid pieces. Same with Elevation: they have some great songs. If we only limit ourselves to music by people who had no great sin, I suppose we'd have to throw out everything by Martin Luther (he was bigotted against Jews), and from there just start picking your favorite hymn writers and start naming off their sins. Wouldn't want to give any indication that we "support" those sinners, would we?

[@mach1205]

@@sidwhiting665 I agree, I don't watch any Hillsong or Elevation services online apartment from snippets that KZbinrs use to highlight issues with the church"s actions and theology. However at church I will sing along to the songs written by them, because I'm singing it from the heart to God. I respect Brother Todd, I like you disagree with some of his secondary dispositions like how to dress and preferred style of worship. However from attending other churches I see that for the most part it is popular for the worship to be a blend of both hymns and contemporary. That's a good thing in my estimation.

[@joelofjudah9144]

AI can be trained. Give it proper doctrine and it can be useful. But it is better to manually write worship music, for AI can get a bit absurd.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

Worship is not worship unless the Holy Spirit is present. Tell me how the Holy Spirit inhabits AI, code without a soul?

[@eugenestevensii1581]

Imagine an A.I. taking the more or most absurd lyrics like Reckless Love with sloppy wet kiss, "Your reckless love is like a sloppy wet kiss." 😬

[@joelofjudah9144]

@@geraldarcuri9307 AI is to programmers, what a plow is to a farmer. One could propose an idea to let's say chatGPT, then from their they can refine it into a much better product. As of now it is merely a tool, not a means to replace the process.

[@joelofjudah9144]

@@eugenestevensii1581 AI can't create anything original it can only go off of what data it has. So it is entirely possible for someone to end up with something like that. If one were to get a good song out of using AI, the more logical thing to do would be to walk it through every step of the song writing process with a lot of hand holding.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

​@@joelofjudah9144and no soul

[@karlnorgaard9447]

I feel like I've been saying to myself, "just because we can, does that mean we should"? My early school experience was negatively impacted when they rolled computers into the classroom in grade 3. There was no benefit, the computers were used as video games, and served to indoctrinate us into the "glorious future". I'm sure the school board thought themselves quite progressive at the time. Trust me, there were no real lessons learned from playing Oregon Trail, if anything it displaced quality classroom time. Nearly 40 years later, I've seen the almighty digital way reign in so many areas, to our detriment. Now we have arrived at a place where the temptation to zealously adopt and apply the latest tech is irresistible. That's not even the word for it, mandatory is more like it. Has anyone heard this quote? "The comforts you have demanded are now mandatory". Don't know who said it, but sorta rings true. Another man named Marshall Mcluen said, "The medium is the message". Spend a little time with that. No, it's not Biblical, but about as wise a thing any man could utter. I have a relative who writes worship music as a hobby. He told me he had experimented with AI, I was surprised, and was instantly put off. You know, it's not always what something is, but what it may become. The precedents being set even now are laying a smooth path for future terrors. Never been a fan of long drawn out, hyper emotional, repetitive worship music. And I thank God for guiding me away from such things that cause me to question their appropriateness in the Church. I don't claim that God speaks or has spoken to me, any more than anyone else. But I clearly remember having the words "discernment is the word of the age" placed on my heart a few years ago. I don't hold to it like scripture, as I'm sure it was internally manifested. But I've also had an inner voice warn me about deer on the road ahead and once to change lanes on the hiway when seconds later the vehicle I was following rear ended a slower moving vehicle. He was asleep. I would have died. So I don't ignore the voice either.

[@jackiephifer5617]

Singing songs that lift Jesus and convict one of sin glorify Him

[@the_mighty_kc]

AI? I'll pass. Old school bluegrass gospel music, all day.

[@endah9692]

It's a curse.

[@typicalenglishguy4276]

Blessed is the man that makes the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such that turn aside to lies 👑

[@davidmuth4571]

I confess I like some modern worship music, but I also miss classic hymns.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Ask your pastor for hymnals. Call your Christian radio music channels and ask for hymns. Wish we could get a channel that only played hymns

[@thevoiceoftheteacher3581]

You had to dig that one guy up 🤣

[@repentnow1720]

Todd - Help me out; I am sure I actually heard that AI-generated pop song today on KLUV! : )

[@geraldarcuri9307]

"Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a bot like me!" Seriously? Oh, and then there's this AI "cover" of the traditional hymn, "It is well, with my code. It is well, it is well with my code."

[@themilkywayuniverse6962]

Note para todos: If one uses AI, they must use it with biblical wisdom

[@muddyboots7753]

No matter what we say/write, there will always be someone who disagrees.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Yes. But there is absolute truth and that means definitive right and wrong. Remember in the last days good will be called evil and evil called good. It's not time to ride the fence

[@furyfantoo]

@muddyboots7753 That's not necessarily true.

[@The_Other_Ghost]

You should allow comments on "How To Persuade An Atheist Christianity is Real | WRETCHED". that video made me become a mormon.

[@Paige-Turnner]

It made you join a cult? 😂

[@thedogrunner]

This was fantastic. I liken AI to a calculator. It calculates conveying ideas through speach, similiarly to how calculators convey mathematical constants. Just another app on your phone.

[@Mygoalweight]

I was at that Conference. Got to meet them it was a quite good Conference. I am American but, have been living here attending Rock of Refuge Christian Church for some years now. The Christian and the work place 2 a blessing or a curse. I am hoping to go back to th3 states in the next couple years with my wife. And plan on attending bethany Baptist church near peoria illinois as it seems to be the only biblically sounds church relativly close to where I grew up. Pray for me that everything goes ok. I will miss my church in the Philippines a lot.

[@JESUSisLORD24151]

But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. (John 4:23, ESV) A I is totally incapable.

[@opalbeauty1578]

How funny that the contemporary AI have an Australian accent (poke poke).

[@JB-mn2wb]

Jesus said we worship in spirit and in truth and that God seeks such ones, He was talking to the woman at the well....I agree with you Todd.

[@swordsforthetruth]

Wretched: makes 3 points about why AI worship isn't bad. Also Wretched: makes 10 about why we should reject AI worship

[@jan_777]

That’s how a fair discussion of a topic looks like.

[@Paige-Turnner]

It's just an honest take. You need to make the choice yourself. Wretched doesn't make content to do the thinking for you, but to present the information for you to think for yourself.

[@swordsforthetruth]

@@Paige-Turnner I know, I just thought it was funny that at first he seemed like he was defending it, then just completely roasted the idea.

[@EndTimesHarvest]

@@swordsforthetruth He is using what's known as the "steel man argument" or "steelmanning": presenting the strongest form of the other side of the argument (i.e., arguing in favour of A.I.) and then showing how even these strongest arguments do not hold up to the arguments on the other side.

[@swordsforthetruth]

@@EndTimesHarvest Wow, I didn't know that, thank you for the insight.

[@Savedbygrace22]

Toddster, I think the pro AI EXCUSES (oops did I tip my hand?) for using it should go over great with the Littonists. They already have someone else writing their sermons😣 Sorry,the snark meter with this A I stuff is on high alert. God bless you all there at WRETCHED❤️🙏

[@Saratogan]

Where is it written in Scripture that music is worship? Praise perhaps but worship? This is not merely pedantic. Worship means to make oneself low (very low -- proskuneo) before your God.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Maybe a way if showing reverence too.

[@Jazbo777]

This is a very good question. I will be thinking about this for a whole.🤔

[@geraldarcuri9307]

Well, many of us understand how real music ( not electronically amplified noise ) can bring us to humble worship before the Lord. If you have never experienced this use of sacred music, you are impoverished, probably from mistaking the idolatrous "worship team music" that passes for sung adoration in most contemporary churches. It is pathetic, and it is neither worship nor praise.

[@Saratogan]

@@geraldarcuri9307 We sing acapella. No adornments, just the human voice SATB.

[@bruhRepentAndBelieveInChrist]

I think The beard looks cool

[@aprilvannewkirk8761]

No AI for writing hymns. Good video!

[@chadkuettner1827]

Concerning the “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs”, in the Greek the phrase is known as a hendiatris, where the three words in the phrase are modified by a singular word. In this case, the modifying word that applies to the other three is “Spiritual”. It could be stated correctly then as “spiritual psalms, spiritual hymns, and spiritual songs”. The word “Spiritual”, as used in the NT, is used, in every case but one (23/24 if I remember correctly) to refer to the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the only songs that are being instructed to sing are those who have the Holy Spirit as the author. The regulative principle of worship, in the Bible, when it comes to music, is not a tertiary issue but one where there is a specific command. As one who is in a denomination where we only sing the inspired psalms of the Bible, I have greatly benefitted from this practice and, when the issues of proper worship arise, such as this one, the answer is quite clear. Godspeed.

[@headsofhiphop]

Sounds like eisegesis. Besides, all Christians have the Spirit living in them. If it's not heretical, it's from the Spirit. Do just Psalms if you want, but there's some great reformed worship out there bud!

[@richardrisner921]

To really answer this question, you have to answer this other question first: what is the key difference between what you call "AI" and what you call a "thesaurus"? If it is a tool to help a human to curate related words and thoughts related to their own words and thoughts, arguing about it or even disclosing usage is frivolous. If it is something other than that, you need to have a longer discussion.

[@joshuadefaria6244]

Wow fascinating take

[@xX0IRIDIUM0Xx]

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[@Realitytime2024]

What's wrong with singing Psalms? Can't get more scriptural then that.

[@musicislove703]

That video from the congregation in the Philippines is precious🥲

[@UnfilteredMedic]

All great points for both PoV. IMO, A.I. is simply another tool until.....one becomes obsessed with it. Any tool by itself is largely neutral until used by a person. The worst thing about A.I. is that it will eventually be smart enough and we won't be able to control it. It can be very bad but also do great things.

[@wizdomministries5720]

God said to worship him in spirit and in truth.... Not "artificial"

[@Stevenowski]

All is permissible, but not all is beneficial. 🤗🇮🇱

[@smokyquartz5817]

The constant viscious infighting amongst churches and other denominations is a good example of seeing who are and what they're made of. I couldn't take it. Im just not a wrathful person.

[@danielstaley3715]

Todd, you are right it is better than Bethel.

[@jimmyfields3654]

I was in the Fillipines for 3 years the church I went was the Victory church it world wide and the do many things for students and the poor and many other country's it's has security inside of with guns and Camera inside out they have the best light I've seen in a church and many pastor and band playing the songs a most or hilltop song and worship what do you think 🤔 there a mega church I'm in Thailand now at a different church out the light show but small it's a community church I enjoy it God is good always I give him the glory

[@Jazbo777]

I thought about this for many hours, and I remembered Luke 19:40 and others verses like it. We read bibles everyday printed by machines. We use PCs everyday to search for info. If ai can produce a song that people want to sing that praises the MOST HIGH …I think it’s ok.

[@KaylaCallender]

What i learned is that our time spent on PCs hinders us more than helps

[@Jazbo777]

@@KaylaCallender Yes, you are correct, it can be a big hindrance. Yet many of us were able to find good teaching during the locked churchs & synagogues. Which I think was a good thing in a bad time.

[@Jazbo777]

Yes 😁 Teachers we never heard of !! O so many exciting Derashot. You can’t be late, come as you are, you can’t miss a thing (well you can miss it but to rewind on utube is so easy) Best of all 🤔 ❤️You can repeat any lesson again and again and again ❤️

[@jonlannister345]

My church has been pressuring me into getting a smartphone, but at this point it seems like the Amish had the right idea about the industrial revolution. Don't want this stuff in my pocket

[@Obeu]

I asked ChatGPT to write me a worship song...I'd say this is worse than Hillsong (somehow): (Verse 1) In sacred tales where legends grow, A timeless figure we all know, A carpenter with eyes so kind, A pretty good guy, a heart aligned. (Chorus) Enigmatic grace, a subtle trance, Embracing secrets, we advance, Through veiled illusions, we entwine, Unlocking mysteries divine. (Verse 2) A shepherd's love, a diviner's touch, His words a balm, they meant so much, A symphony of goodness flowed, In tales told, through ages sowed. (Chorus) Enigmatic grace, a subtle trance, Embracing secrets, we advance, Through veiled illusions, we entwine, Unlocking mysteries said divine. (Bridge) No chains to bind, no judgments tall, A love that embraces one for all, A tapestry woven in grace, In his light, we find our place. (Chorus) Enigmatic grace, a subtle trance, Embracing secrets, we advance, Through veiled illusions, we entwine, Unlocking mysteries said divine. (Outro) So let us sing of days of old, A humble story, truth be told, In unity, ev'ry heart align, Forever guided by love to shine. ...😑

[@MagicalFishy]

That one made me laugh. Brutal. 💀

[@RepentfollowJesus]

I couldn't even read past the first few lines. It's irreverent. Sounds like fairytales in the first part to me. Which many tell us these days that the bible is fairytales fir adults.😢

[@RepentfollowJesus]

I caught the line at the bottom of in unity let etc. That sounds like a one world religion. We are not to unite ( shades of the movie a thief in the night ) with false religions or those who follow them. Except to witness the true gospel to them. They bring a different doctrine. God help us.

[@techguy6241]

I can't tell which God its meant to praise

[@nathan1sixteen]

Yeah, the word “tale” shouldn’t be used in a worship song

[@dennistennis2225]

A gentleman and a beardsman...

[@jenniferfanguy2812]

I can't go to church anymore. I have tinnitus and inner ear danage. The lower base of a guitar and the noise of the drums causes pain. Why should I be punished because of the Rock christian attorney

[@lclark2132]

AI can only reguritate (and usually in a mangled way) what the reasearchers put into it. It lacks the spirit, spontaneity, and love required for acceptable worship, which needs real music.

[@brianmccarty3211]

I can play a mean mouth harp

[@jasminefernandes575]

Preach the word of God!!!

[@douglaidlaw740]

The AI engine will not be summoned to appear before the Judgment Seat. On the issue of music, remember that Charles Wesley asked: "Why should the Devil have all the good tunes?"

[@ronaldhall4087]

When I saw the AI avatar "minister" in that clip, it brought to mind the scripture: ". . . it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain." (Revelation 13:14-15). I think the antichrist might use this technology.

[@thecrew777]

CON: To AI writing worship anything Revelation 13:15 New American Standard Bible 1995 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. For me, that's all it takes.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

There are plenty of hymns to sing. They use scripture. Look at The Lord's Prayer Hymn. Look at many hymns that the music was written by humans. Some of those people still support their families from that music. Or try to. It came from the heart. The copyrighted songs from hymnals hardly make any money anymore, so that is stopping families from making a living given to them from God by the talent He gave the composers. God led those people to write those hymns. Many learned scripture partly from those hymns. They were spread in movies, so many were exposed to the Word that would not have been otherwise. The church stopped using hymnals, and that has cost composers a living from copyright. Should we let ai make it worse for these Christian families? I miss holding a hymnal to sing from. It's just not the same looking at a screen. And the new music just is not the same at all. The 90s had some that were really good like Maranatha Singers. But nothing beats the old hymns that were so easy to memorize and just really washed your mind with the words. I disagree with AI because I think God wants songs that come from a true Christian heart and soul. And it's sad that composers who made their careers writing Christian hymns, make so little now. Copyright is the life of the composer plus 70 years. So there are Christians who inherited from composers with music in hymnals who are being cheated of their living from lack of hymnal sales and, this new awful Bethel and hillsong music on top of it. God says for men to support their families . This is keeping them from it. Now they want to make ai music and make it worse? Ai is impersonal toward God. It wasnt written from the worshipping heart of men . What next? Ai psalms?? Think of how ludicrous that would be. Next, is it going to write new Bible versions? It's making me think of the image of the beast. Even decent soft rock that could be sung to worship God will be affected. It's not fair to the humans that God chose to write songs for Him. And could it have a feeling of blaspheme? Or even turn blasphemous ? I wouldn't want ai music in any genre. But especially Christian music. There just is no human feeling in it. There can't be. And music is all about feelings. How it makes you feel. Those old hymns made you feel more love toward God and more comfort from God and more reverence toward Him and more worship like psalms do. And standing with a hymnal made it seem like you were showing more reverence toward Him for some reason rather than a projector screen. I know even the screens made me feel uncomfortable when I was able to go to a church building. So now ai will write and perform it's own music with no need for a human composer led by the Holy Spirit and taking the jobs of performers when jobs are needed now so much. Humans pour their heart and soul into their hymns and songs. We pour ours into them when we sing them. How can a piece of metal and false intelligence with no heart replace this? I think it is probably wrong in God's eyes. But I can't know the mind of God. I just know He wants a relationship with His children. Not a machine. I am against it.

[@Jazbo777]

You said a lot, but I think your are right How low can we go …we let a pc praise the HOLY ONE instead of us …because it can do it How lazy are we? How shallow is our love for our Crestor?

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Yes I said a lot. I often do. This hits home with me due to loss of income partly but the disrespect of God and those He chose to write for Him bugs me equally. I like to eat and pay bills. I am not physically able to go work a physical job. Now ai is going to rob me of what God was giving me. I think it is helping set up the acceptance of all things leading to the mark. I can't even make ends meet now. Hubby in pain has to work so we can survive. He will soon retire. Leaving me with no ins for my illnesses. I can only pray God will intervene.

[@65gtotrips]

Artificial is not a word we ought use in anything relating to God as He is real.

[@rev.b.ryngksai]

If a.i. sermon and a.i. speaker is possible then what about using a.i. congregants? Shouldn't it be democratic?

[@alharris1508]

Then you might as well justify the AI written Bible... I strongly disagree & oppose anything created by AI, in the context of Worship, Scripture, ect....

[@Ollie7707]

Wanting to use AI to enhance worship is a bad argument in my opinion. We have been given the best worship that will ever be written (the psalms) - how is AI supposed to enhance and improve that? I’m not a psalm-only person, but if anyone is wanting to upgrade their worship, that seems the obvious answer

[@psalms_for_the_church_to_sing]

We should sing only the Psalms :).

[@jackshiels3239]

AI is just like any other tool, albeit a very powerful one. There is nothing wrong with it. AIs are just very complex statistical models that are trained on existing data. Nothing evil about it.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

No soul. That's evil. Don't you think worship music should be inspired by the Holy Spirit? Or is that too "old-fashioned" for the contemporary crowd?

[@jaybelle1909]

​​​​​@@geraldarcuri9307 AI is just a tool and still requires human imput... Only a fool would think you are supposed to just stick with whatever it puts out as you are supposed to review it and make corrections where/when needed either by better prompting or changing the words yourself... There is no way to know if any song was ever inspired; you are just assuming... what matters is: is the song biblical, does it flow right, when you sing it do you get a sense of it coming from your hear... I bet you don't even know most all the ppl who wrote sings you sing so how can you say it's evil to sing an AI gen song... Do you apply your sane logic elsewhere? How can you buy anything, eat anything, listen to anything, live anywhere, and such as you don't know the ppl behind all those things; thus do you live naked in a forest as if not they you are supporting evil and evil ppl... Is the song "you raised me up" an evil song? It wasn't written to be exclusive Christian or not Christian as ot could be referring to Jesus, a good friend, or family; it's all in individual with what they feel it means at any given moment

[@daysnottime999]

​@geraldarcuri9307 , buddy you get the ai wrong. It's us who does the tinkering, not the AI. We must pursue this with discernment if anyone thinks of using the Ai. Of course the ai has flaws, but me using scripture and testing chatgpt4 if it's correct, to my surprise, it did get the the gospel right. Of course we shouldn't trust the Ai, but it does come in handy when using it for rewriting notes or fixing a poem asking it to use scripture.

[@daysnottime999]

​​@@geraldarcuri9307for example, I wrote this. "Just remember, that in every doorstep of sorrow, there is someone who died for you to live in joy. God bless." And I asked the ai to rewrite this in biblical vibes. This is what it rewrote. "Verily, in each threshold of thine affliction, remember there exists One who hath laid down His life, that thou mightest dwell in the abode of joy. May the blessings of the Almighty be upon thee." You see? It's the one who uses it, not the ai itself.

[@Paige-Turnner]

​@@daysnottime999that's nice, but it's too vague. AI is not pointing to Christ alone.

[@chrisschene8301]

I am totally under impressed with AI.

[@chisomokonkwo4361]

I believe that worship can only come from a human heart that has been created by and has submitted to God. Not an empty, electronic husk, that assembles lyrics from all different documents of theology.

[@Gadfly247]

It is blasphemy. But, that is the same rating of much of the popular "worship" music today written by humans. According to Revelations, there are no references to AI worshiping before the throne of God. Jesus did not die for robots.

[@loganholdaway769]

Luke 19:40 says that if these refuse to worship the rocks will cry out. AI is silicone and metal. These materials are essentially rocks.

[@Paige-Turnner]

Interesting, but rocks are in the form that God put together/eroded. AI is man-made with man-made intelligence including blasphemies and lies.

[@be.love.shine.]

There's no way an a.i song can help you worship God better, considering we have thousands of psalms hymns and spiritual songs that already exist that people don't know because church only wants world music today. It's a slippery slope and I'm not on board. I write music and sing and as a musician it's just ridiculous. Learn the psalms and sing them in church, see the power of God move and tell me a.i. can do better than King David in worship. Not possible. There's no passion, soul, spirit, feeling of connection and gratitude...WHAT IS HAPPENING!?! come quickly Lord Jesus.

[@contenderfortruth]

AI cannot think independently so it can only make music from what already exists. I think there are bigger fish to fry than AI.

[@johnflorio3576]

I like Pope Francis’ take: AI should serve humanity; humanity should not serve AI. We will leave worship to humanity.

[@JeremyFidelis]

Thou shalt not mock Air Supply! Hahaha...

[@charleybarber86]

The contemporary song wasn't right. I didn't repeat the same lines over and over

[@meprous1377]

question why do some wild animals attack humans but some will save them don't that help prove GOD is real? isn't that how all the animals were before the curse n some still have that precurse instinct ? like wen that silverback gorilla protected the boy that fell in the gorilla enclosure . i dunno how to email you

[@nathanielalderson9111]

I view AI led worship in the similar way of the Pharisees giving vs the widow giving. Jesus said she gave more than them. He explained it was a heart issue. It always comes back to a heart issue when we present things to God. If God can use a donkey, He can certainly use AI. But I get the sense God doesn't need to use human made AI, since He already wrote the manual in a distributed information subversive act in 'enemy territory', and already won right under the noses of darkness led humanity. Traditional vs new? Nothing new under the sun. Lute -> guitar -> electric guitar It's a tool. I can perfectly sing the best theologically sound song there is but if my hearts not right, I should not expect to be heard. On the other hand I can do worship God's way without a voice or instrument and it'll be accepted. You can't outgive God. Worship is giving. Can we use a bulldozer to bring our gifts to the Lord? Maybe. Should we? Probably want to check how God WANTS to be approached first.

[@anandrew6641]

AI is Baal, two cant mix.

[@denalidtx]

TL;DR: Treat AI as a tool, not as a person. I work with generative AI on a daily basis, to the extent that I've developed techniques for doing things that have never been done with AI before. There are definitely good/effective and bad/ineffective ways to use AI. If you just say, "Hey, GPT, gimme a song", then you're likely to get something shallow and unsingable. If you are very specific (possibly to the point of just asking for individual lines with specific themes, rhymes, meter, etc.), you can use it as a tool for writing something good. In most cases, getting something really good out of AI means feeding it so much context that you are the author, and the AI is just a very fancy word processor.

[@chudionuigbo5952]

How is singing Bethel and Hillsong in your Church ⛪ sending money to them?

[@Paige-Turnner]

It's not just that. When a church sings Hillsong or Bethel music in their church, it teaches the younger people that the music is okay and could lead them to thinking that those "churches" are okay as well. That is what I would be more concerned about.

[@furyfantoo]

My hunch: Churches take collections of money during service, whether physically or electronically. So they cannot play any copyrighted music at any time during the services or any church-sponsored activity. So churches are likely paying a fee to a music subscription service, and Hillsong, etc, would be vendors into that system. Kinda analagous to paying a fee to ApplePlay for the privilege of listening to any song on-demand.

[@minutebooks3245]

Like the beard.

[@briankristensen349]

Those who use worship music, are worshipping music. Something wrong in people's mind think rightly, let us be changed in our heart.

[@jaybelle1909]

AI is just a tool... the best AI "art" goes throughout a back and forth process of different art illustrators... Thus you can use AI as you did here as inspiration then change or modify bits you dont like, doesn’t make sense, doesn't flow right, or is not exactly biblical... AI just by itself is garbage right now and too many ppl are over praising it; yes in the future it might be impressive but at the moment it is not... Thus for reasons listed i think its just fine to sing AI gen songs as it still requires human imput... Per bethel music it would depend on if the song you want to sing is biblical or not; just singing a song isn’t supporting them and even evil ppl can do good things and make good things... if ppl say nobody should sing bethel music then why nkt apply that to the clothes you wear, the food you eat, the things you buy, all other music or entertainment, and such; thus its hypocritical to say things like this aa if you were hinest then youd live naked in the wilderness..

[@lelandwhite8156]

Bingo. I would also gently challenge my brothers and sisters in Christ to consistently apply their logic/fears/concerns to every aspect of their lives. Herein lies the importance of these biblical truths: we still live in a sinful world, yet God's grace through Jesus Christ is and will always be suffient for us.

[@vanreichelderfer8053]

What if AI wrote a new Bible like Yuval Noah Harari said? I’m sure it wouldn’t be much different than the NIV, RSV, ASV, or the ESV and like all those it would probably claim to be easier to understand than the KJV that all the corrupt “Bibles” compare themselves to. Gail Riplinger‘s book “New Age Bible Versions” reveals the truth about the false Bibles that have led to the apostasy that fills the modern churches. I highly recommend this book to all who seek the truth.

[@sf49ersjshark2]

Yall need to leave allen Iverson alone. Just prat for him😂😂😂