Is Batman v Superman A Masterpiece?

Let's take a look at part II of Zack Snyder's trilogy with Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition. While some consider it to be one of the greatest comic book cinematic movies in history, others believe it was a huge blunder. We take a deep dive to find out
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[@davicoo69]

I've only ever seen the extended edition. And, yes I agree; this film is a true masterpiece. And that's coming form a comic book fan! I think it delivers on all the points you've made in your detailed critique. BvS shows both burden of responsibility, and conflicted choices a superhero would have to bear, and make. And how someone in Bruce Wayne's/Bat-mans position, could over time, become quite jaded! With a similar conflict for Clark Kent/Super-man, being held up as a God by most, but being all too aware that He's not omnipotent, and will at some point have to let Humanity down. As for Bat-man not killing the Joker for his brutal murder of Robin. It is implied that the Joker's Gold teeth are, as seen in 'The Suicide Squad' a consequence of Bat-man pummeling him nearly to death for just that! But stopping short, as He realizes that is exactly what the Joker wants!.. To corrupt Bat-man, and remake him in his image.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

So you're the one hardcore comic book fan who liked this interpretation of Batman! You should check out the Theatrical Cut is see how muddled it was, crazy what the extra 30 minutes adds. Ah yeah, I did not remember that from Suicide Squad... good catch. Think I only saw that at the cinema and for the most part I remember not liking it all that much.

[@davicoo69]

@@thebritishmovieguy Yeah, I grew up reading the comics, both Marvel and D.C. But even as a kid, as young as I was, I remember always feeling D.C. had a slight edge over Marvel. But in regards to BvS, I actually own both the Theatrical and Extended cut's, I've just never been able to bring myself to watch the aforementioned. But yeah, maybe I should! It's the same for 'The Suicide Squad', I own both cuts. But again, I've only ever watched the extended version. And based on what I know of the Theatrical cut, the extended is far superior, and and a more than okay film, in my opinion. Well worth a watch if you've not seen it. And then, there's 'The Ayer Cut'... But's that's an all together, different discussion.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@davicoo69 Ah, yeah, don't think I've seen the extended cut of SS... Would love to see 'The Ayer Cut' you can tell how much they butchered it from the comic-con teaser and first trailer to what we ended up with...

[@davicoo69]

@@thebritishmovieguy Definitely!.. The trailer was so promising. #ReleaseTheAyerCut

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@davicoo69 Noticed Ayer is pushing for this again on Twitter... we can only hope!

[@MrWafflelova]

Last hour of this movie is so absolutely badass; BvS fight, the warehouse fight, and the Doomsday fight which is so unbelievably underrated. Even though we likely will never see a proper JL 2/3, im extremely grateful that this trilogy was made to begin with. I mean, despite the thrashing of it back in 2016 - it really says something that these movies are still discussed to this day.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Without a doubt, these films will gain popularity as time passes. People couldn't get behind dark comic book movies at the time because they were so different from what we were getting from Marvel.

[@13Ryuga]

Zack's Trilogy is a master piece! My all time favorite movies till date.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

A travesty we might never get to see a completion of JL!

[@ChucNguyen-yb4bq]

If there's any CBM trilogy that better than Snyderverse, then it can only be TDK trilogy

[@thestarkknightreturns]

The Ultimate Cut is a huge improvement over the Theatrical Cut. When I watched the latter back when it came out in 2016, I felt there was no connective tissue between most of the major plot points. Also the characters' motivations were not as well fleshed out. I can safely say the Ultimate Cut is a Masterpiece. The religious subtext, iconic imagery, meaningful wordplay and intended profoundness of the core ideas conveyed in this movie make it one of the most relevant comic book movies ever made. It essentially examines and tests the ethos of the two most relevant super-heroes in modern culture. The fact that we are still talking about it almost seven years later is a testament to its impact.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100% And I think these movies will get more love and popular as time goes by.

[@djn1822]

#BatmanvSupermanUE is truly a masterpiece for me that is growing momentously through my years. It’s gold.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Yep. The more I watch the more I appreciate… I think this will be the case as time goes by for a lot of people who don’t see its current potential.

[@thekingdommovieschannel]

The ultimate edition is great, don't get the hate for this movie , Man of Steel , BVM ultimate edition and the Snyder Cut are just wonderful and really show Snyders vision

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It's genuinely crazy how that extra 30 minutes makes it a complete coherent movie unlike the theatrical cut. I do feel as the years pass this movies gets more love.

[@adpbobcat]

@The British Movie Guy to be honest, the theatrical cut wasn't a huge mess. When I left the theatre, I fell in love with the movie. Most things could've been deduced, but the movie felt choppy has hell. The ultimate cut felt much much smoother.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@adpbobcat For me it was the desert scene what was clearly a big part of the story, but in the theatrical cut it almost seem redundant because it didn’t really fit in with what was going on with Superman. Clark investigating Batman was a weird thing to cut as well… since it’s called Batman v Superman and that shows us Superman’s perspective much more on why Batman is a menace in his eyes.

[@adpbobcat]

@@thebritishmovieguy I completely agree!

[@michaelkeudel8770]

I totally agree. They filled in a lot of gaps with the additional footage, and Justice League redeemed how powerful Superman is.

[@rezaurrahman6404]

It is a unique, comprehensive, action packed piece of cinema for the superhero genre.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Well said!

[@kaiisth]

Action Packed?

[@Adrian-clark]

@@kaiisth - Zod vs Superman - Batman fights and car chasing sequence - batman vs Superman - Wearhouse fight - knightmere Batman fight - Trinity vs doomsday

[@kaiisth]

@@Adrian-clark Sorry I don't know what I was on when I made that comment

[@thehahvokexperience]

This movie is an absolute masterpiece, love it so much and always will

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Get better with every watch.

[@Taohe_Netrus]

I agree with everything you've said, I'm a huge fan of Snyderverse, because Zack's style of storytelling looks much more deep than most of the superhero movies and it's clear that he had a plan to make DCEU great :) And about Snyder Cut, it's my second (after Revenge of the Sith) favourite movie ever

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%... I believe MoS and BvS are underappreciated because they were released at a time when mainstream comic book movies were light and humorous. While some critics believe Snyder's style is too dark, I believe the contrast with Marvel at the time was exactly what we needed. I believe that over time, more people will come to appreciate them.

[@Taohe_Netrus]

@@thebritishmovieguy I love Snyder Movies for being different from what MCU is doing. Toned colors, darker tone, more violent fights, deeper story, characteristic use of slow motion, characters with complex psychology, music that I actually remember and hearing when working on PC... His style is really uniqe :)

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@Taohe_Netrus Couldn't have said it better as to why I love Snyder's movies... I'm even a sucker for Sucker Punch (No pun intended)

[@boboboy8189]

Snyder refuse to follow mainstream superhero movie but WB kick him out for mediocrity director. no wonder Nolan left WB too

[@Taohe_Netrus]

@@boboboy8189 The best thing is that WB told him to make darker movies after Nolan's Dark Knight success, so WB can't blame Snyder for making too dark movies :p

[@sampearson2183]

Yes, this movie is a masterpiece.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Glad you agree, Sam! Thanks for watching.

[@bigdoge6602]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@benbehzadpour1177]

I love this movie for the idea that it takes Superman's old fashioned selflessness to redeem Batman's ice cold heart. Batman didn't even know he needed saving and would rather have killed Superman because he thought he was a threat to humanity but Superman showed the Dark Knight a new kind of heroism that he didn't believe existed anymore. As Batman says "How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" Superman stayed that way even to his death. Batman FINALLY had something to believe in again and with Superman's death, Batman was now filled with a new purpose. This is the Batman and Superman story we needed and deserved. I don't even care what WB does with these characters anymore because I now have the comic book movie I have always wanted!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Well said, Ben. It baffles me why people just want to see the same incarnation of superheroes again and again. I like to see my superheroes outside the box as well.

[@gorbash07]

This film is epic! Unlike other superhero films, it has been analyzed and discussed for years and for more years to come....

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I honestly believe that this film will be much more widely loved in the coming years... It was undoubtedly ahead of its time.

[@sunsetman22]

I might be in the minority here, but the twitchy, deranged Lex that Jesse Eisenberg portrayed was one of my favourite aspects of the movie. no longer the sly, evil businessman of old, but a modern day Silicon Valley villain, Zuckerberg amped up to eleven. a crazy person with too much power and money, someone who hates Superman for what he is and what he represents: a benevolent god-like being that shows us that, in this borderline dystopian 21st century, there's still a place for hope.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

He was definitely a decisive character but it’s good to hear this interpretation has its fans. I didn’t necessarily dislike him, it was more the awkward speeches when he just trips over what he’s saying… like, don’t do public speech’s ha! He for sure comes close to Zuckerberg/Musk now!

[@syamilshazlan862]

Meh...marthaverse doesn't age well to me..imo it failed even b4 BVS...I admit I was so thrill when watchg MOS mainly bcoz we waited so damn long for a new supes movie n Smallville has ended.but now I just can't even finish it when rewatching the convoluted plot: the codec thingy, zods n minion willing to ditch their powers just to live a normal mortal life whereas they all born in the lab anyway.yeah,I get the whole plot,it just don't workout for me...

[@thecat5872]

Well thank god I’m not crazy because I’ve always felt that BVS was a masterpiece the fight along with the team up w WW at the end was breathtaking just had me speechless as a LONG time comic nerd to finally see these 2 in one movie and w WW it’s nice to know I’m not alone

[@thebritishmovieguy]

You are not alone!

[@thecat5872]

@@thebritishmovieguy thank u brother

[@KMJoshiMusic]

Great analysis! I never noticed the Phantom Drive sound effect in his dreams.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Thanks, Joshi! Yeah, I only noticed it recently on rewatching, thought I heard it so turned it right up... crazy how subtle it is.

[@ojmcclanahan689]

I think the Ultimate Edition is Snyder's take was brilliant and I wish he would have gotten to see it though to the end.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Travesty that we didn't!

[@leopereira6101]

This movie is another zack's work wich is ahead of his time.... Some people arent ready for this universe tô leave behind the character standards wich is donne to create an ARC tô the character tô explore and Turning INTO a more deeply and rich character that was before,actually is what they have donne in the last Times in the comic book world,a more human SIDE of Superman and how and why his actions Raises the publics reactions

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%... People couldn't get behind dark comic book movies at the time because they were so different from what we were getting from Marvel. Hopefully, his Rebel Moon film series will fill that hole.

[@sebastianortega9980]

my favorite movie, truly a masterpiece

[@jaseypipes]

It’s one of my favourite movies … it’s weird to me how people don’t get it…. Ok WB butchered it in the cinema cut which probably doomed it but the ultimate cut is a masterpiece 💪💪💪

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I believe that these films will gain popularity over time. Unfortunately, they were released at a time when comic book movies were relatively safe and predictable, and people were simply not ready!

[@luisenriquez5710]

Is a strange And unique Masterpiece

[@thebritishmovieguy]

No argument here!

[@theta38]

When I first saw BVS it was theatrical cut and I liked it because I am huge fan of The Dark Knight Returns and this movie was not only Man Of Steel sequel but also huge love letter to TDKR. Definitely some things were rushed but it's fukin WBs fault not Zack's. After watching EU definitely can say it's one of my favorites among superhero movies!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I've definitely come to love and appreciate it the more I've watched it for sure.

[@desirewithinus]

the bad reception of this movie was the turning point for WB. It was the main reason we had that Josstice League mess and why we will never get to see Snyder's vision completed.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Sad but unfortunately most likely true.

[@sebl9710]

Pretty sure we got Josstice League because Snyder stepped away due to the death of his daughter.

[@desirewithinus]

@@sebl9710 his daughter death was used as a scape goat. Snyder was actually fired from the project. WB decided to change lots of things and did reshoots starting from David Ayer's Sucide Squad to change the dark tone of DCEU movies, due to the bad reception BvS got. I personally loved the movie and was defending it during that time, so I followed everything.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@sebl9710 For sure, but they were already looking for a reason to replace him.

[@MovieMatrix_11]

May be international and corporate politics ..... ​@@desirewithinus

[@Scirokko]

Totally agree with you, just sad that many have no idea of the ultimate edition

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Genuinely bizarre the ultimate cut wasn't the theatrical version. Made no sense to cut the scenes they did.

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

@@thebritishmovieguy WB wanted the movie to be shorter to get more viewings and as such more money. Zack was in charge of what was cut so he was at fault for that.

[@josue.saldivar]

Loved the film on my first watch ad the midnight premier and the 6 other times I went over to watch it in theaters... Loved it even more when I got my hands on the Ultimate Edition... It only got better with the 4k re-release adding the IMAX aspect ratio for key scenes.

[@josuepf3730]

the film itself, if it was a good film, those of us who enjoyed it did so because we understood it.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100% but I think more and more people will appreciate it with time.

[@ievmotron]

Watched it 5 times in theatres and loved every second of it!!my favourite Batman movie of all time!!!❤🎉😊

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It does age like a fine wine... Bourbon.

[@SunglassesManReactions005]

People are always having their own opinions and I respect that! Man of steel, Batman Vs Superman dawn of justice, and zack Snyder justice league cut are Very good movies of DCEU! Some will hate it because it’s their opinions and their own tastes! But for me, Batman Vs Superman dawn of justice ultimate cut is a very good movie!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Hard agree. For sure, I understand why people won't like this movie, but it would be a boring medium if we all liked the exact same things.

[@ronstewart6362]

Well said! One of my ALL TIME FAVORITE MOVIES!. Out of Any genra. Loved Cavill and Affleck. Just wish we would of got a MOS 2 and a Solo batfleck first.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Thanks, Ron. Much appreciated. It's criminal we never got a MoS 2 for sure! Solo Batfleck would have also been awesome.

[@bigdoge6602]

Too bad DC can’t make any good movies or else we would’ve had that

[@Syryu]

BvS is indeed a masterpiece. It challenges every aspect of Superman and Batman that we as an audience have taken for granted for decades. Why would any government, let alone the US Government trust and allow Superman free reign when he's so powerful? What happens when Superman goes overseas to help? Does he represent America or himself? How does Clark reconcile the fact that he just wants to help, but people see him as a god or a monster? Batman has been at this for 20 years but no progress in stopping crime, how does that affect him? People have always said that the presence of Robin is an irresponsible action on Bruce's part so what happens when Robin dies? It's an amazing fusion of superheroes, political thriller, sci-fi, and philosophy. And it annoys me to no end when people claim that Zack Snyder "Doesn't understand" Superman or Batman. He understands them perfectly. He also understands that if these two heroes were to exist in real life, they would not function as did the comic books. At least not initially. But that's the thing. As you said the purpose of the movie is seeing how Superman and Batman navigate the darkness within themselves and the world to arrive at the classic versions people know. It's not an instant process becoming the classical Superman, it would take a lot of mistakes, heartache, and sacrifice to get there. Which is exactly what the movie shows. Long story short, it's great and deserved a proper showing with the 30 minutes restored in theaters

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Perfect take!

[@MovieMatrix_11]

Even, Martian Manhunter was hiding from society....He was waiting for Superman like earth saviour who will help him to fight against the future threat

[@optimus2008]

People were way on board with Marvel to appreciate how great a cinematic work this was. Details are amazing when it comes to character portrayal as well. I would say if we discount the TDK trilogy, this is easily my favourite superhero film of all time.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Definitely up there for me as well… the ultimate cut of course. Always feel his DCEU was ahead of it’s time, and these movies will continue to appreciate with audiences in the future.

[@josephdeluca7602]

I feel like everyone I talk to about this movie have only seen the theatrical release

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Definitely seems to be the common thread.

[@boboboy8189]

someone sabotaging this movie obviously

[@ROA277]

Best Visual effects and character personality and action

[@thebritishmovieguy]

One thing Snyder never gets wrong... his visuals!

[@PLYTATN]

Just watched this again yesterday but i watched the Ultimate Edition this time,i gotta say the Theatrical Cut is a little bit rushed and lack some character development but the full edition is straight up masterpiece,every scene play out so well that i felt like i was watching a whole new movie just like the differences between Josstice League and Zack Snyder's Justice League. I love Snyder's vision about his DC Universe being so realistic that heroes are not always appreciated and no matter how much good they have done to mankind,there will still be people that see them as a threat,a villain and maybe even tried to give them a bad reputation or much worse,killed them....The movie portrayed Superman and Lex Luthor perfectly in a very twisted and dark way that makes me feel bad for Supes and feel the intimidation of Luthor at a same time.I felt bad for Batman too,Affleck's version of Bruce Wayne is so dark and grim because he live in a world that is so messed up and he lost so many people that he no longer trust anything or anyone (except Alfred) and that lead him to almost murder the only hope the world ever have left (Yup,imagine the Doomsday fight without Supes lol). What a shame we will not be able to see this universe grow into something big and epic, huge respect to Zack Snyder,he was building something beautiful with these characters and WB didn't appreciate him enough.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It's crazy isn't it how much different the Theatrical Cut is to the Ultimate Edition! Ha yeah it's a little funny watching Batman jump around as Doomsday is trying to kill him. I liked Lex's twisted game, but I thought they could have done a better version without the Luther/Zuckerberg angle, and the cherry sweet was a little strange for me... WB definitely didn't understand what Snyder was building, and it was clear in 2017 Justice League when they brought in Whedon to oversee, talk about chalk and cheese in terms of director aesthetics.

[@PLYTATN]

@@thebritishmovieguy Agree lol, they dig their own grave when they shut down SnyderVerse. I admit that these films have flaws but the idea and creativity Snyder is trying to show us is far more than that,he is just so ahead of time that people from this generation cannot understand yet and this is coming from a Marvel fan lol

[@thebritishmovieguy]

​@@PLYTATN Ahmen! I've noticed that as the years pass, BvS and MOS get more love and attention. As you mentioned, they were ahead of their time because people were so used to Marvel's light, breezy movies around then... If you tell people you like BvS and MOS and are a Marvel fan, they will revoke your Marvel card!

[@PLYTATN]

@@thebritishmovieguy MOS was legendary,best Superman film ever made to be honest. Now im not meaning that Chris Reeve and Brandon Routh didn't do a good job but Henry Cavill nailed it in my opinion. His version of Supes is not cartoony like Reeve and also not just about love story like Routh (Can't blame him though, blame the script) even though i love Reeve's Superman 1 and Routh's Superman Returns. I heard some people said that they hate Cavill's Clark Kent but i think he did a great job regardless, his acting and emotions he show on his face is very on point,that scene in BvS where he flew to Lois's hotel room and said the line "This symbol means Hope on my world,but my world no longer exist" with the sad look on his face hit me right in the feels,and the scene in MOS of him talking to Jor-El and his first flight is so powerful that i jumped out of my chair out of excitement and hype, I felt in love with DCEU ever since. And about that Marvel card,mine is already revoked lol. I revoked my own card after No Way Home because Marvel is a big trash can full of Adam Sandler comedy films since then (No offense to Adam himself,really loved his Click movie lol). But hell,i don't care about any card,i love what i love and i criticize everything with a fair mindset and no biased. Avengers Endgame is great,Zack Snyder's Justice League is great so i watched both and i loved both,nothing is wrong in being a fan of both universes. Only kids would start an argument to point out which one is better just like we were arguing with our friends back in first grade to see who have a cooler Dad lmao. At the end of the day,these are entertainment and it is meant to entertain us,so we should try to enjoy it while it last instead of being so worked up about it.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@PLYTATN 100%. We all love what we love, but this culture of attacking others for what they do or do not enjoy is strange. I enjoyed most Marvel stuff as well, although the last couple of years have been very hit and miss. And, while Cavill did his best as Kent with what he had, he never really got the chance to play him properly. It's incomprehensible to me that we've never received a MOS 2 after all these years!

[@johnkingston1337]

I’m so pissed that my first time watching this film was in theatres. So glad I returned to watch the UE later so I could realise how great this film is. Honestly might be my favourite superhero film ever (along with Spider-Man 2002). Can we normalise 3 hour films?

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I'm definitely happy with 3 hour films when they have a lot to say... but if it's endless explosions a tighter film is needed!

[@SuperJmoney92]

To address what you said @ 2:17, I am a hardcore comic book reader and fan and I love BvS . In fact, I love all of snyder's take on DC. Good video

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It’s actually been refreshing to hear that hardcore comic book fans do actually enjoy this interpretation of Batman and Superman. I think it’s a good thing we have variations of these characters… otherwise it gets a bit stale in my view. Glad you liked the video, really appreciate it.

[@SuperJmoney92]

@The British Movie Guy Exactly, honestly, Cavill's Superman is more like the superman from 1986-2011, 2016-present and Affleck's Batman is modeled after Dark Knight Returns Batman. I agree we need various takes or it will get stale and the superhero genre won't grow

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@SuperJmoney92 It's criminal Henry didn't get a second solo movie, he was such a great cast for me as Superman... would have been nice to see more of his Kent though. Any Superman/Batman comic recommendations? I've read the usual ones like, Death of/red son/Dark Knight returns, Batman Dammed and Flashpoint.

[@SuperJmoney92]

@The British Movie Guy Superman: Man of Steel Vol.1-4 by John Byrne, Superman: Earth One Vol. 1-3, Birthright, the superman rebirth run, Unchained and Phillip Kennedy Johnson's action comics run especially the warworld story

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@SuperJmoney92 Thanks, Jeremy!

[@johncasamassa2840]

In my opinion, one of the great ironies of this film is that it is both masterful in some respects and completely flawed in others. The Martha seen specifically is interesting, because you do make a good point that what stops Batman is the realization that he is becoming the very thing that he has been fighting against, and his mother's name is just the trigger for that realization. The problem I have with that scene is not so much that a name caused Bruce to stop, rather it's the fact that he and Superman seem to be just fine with each other from that point on. Bruce spends the first two acts of the movie devoting almost his entire energy to beating Superman because he believes it is absolutely necessary for the safety of the human race. In Bruce's mind, Superman cannot be trusted: he's too powerful to be trusted. Even if he could be persuaded that Superman didn't need to die, it would take a long time for him to feel comfortable with Superman being around. This movie has him make a dramatic switch in his character, very quickly, with little to no explanation.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

John, you make some excellent points. I must admit that Bruce's 180 on Superman is far too quick. They can fight Doomsday together, but Bruce may still not trust Superman by the end, allowing the next film to focus on their friendship as they grow closer. I'm glad you enjoyed my Martha point; I know it's a dividing scene, but those were my thoughts while watching. Others have defended it, but in a different context. In this film, I suppose a lot is up to the viewer. Thanks for watching!

[@briancantale8930]

It’s because Bruce’s pain, his identity as Batman stems from the pain of losing his parents. So when he hears the name of his mother, it’s a trigger. It really touched on something. Bruce was able to see that Superman/Clark is a person too, it humanized Clark. Maybe part of Bruce wanted to save Superman from that same pain of loss that he suffered.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@briancantale8930 100%. On a surface level that moment does seem dumb, but this movie has a lot more going on underneath for sure.

[@diegoclark7697]

There is an explanation as to why he made a complete 180 if you really think about it from Bruce's perspective. He has been obsessing with this alien for about 2 years. And when he hears his mother's name, he's snapped out of it due to seeing the kinda person he has become. But that's you looking at things on how batman sees himself. But how does he see Superman now? If you paid attention, the Martha name isn't what snapped him out. It wasn't until realising it was Superman's mother's name that snapped him out. The alien guy he has been obsessing about has a human mother who will get killed if he doesn't help. Bruce sees Superman as the kid he was when his parents were shot. And he(Bruce) is about to kill a person and let his mother die in the process. He's about to let someone go through the exact thing he went through as a kid. The reason he became batman in the 1st place is preventing something like this and now he's the one causing it? Bruce not trusting Superman in the 1st place has to do with the fact that he didn't know who he was. He didn't know he's just a regular guy with a mother, a job, a gf. He didn't see Superman's human side until he realised him fighting to tell him to save another human which happens to be his mom. And as you see, the guilt and the fact that he wants to redeem himself for almost making the mistake of killing an innocent man, he insists on saving Martha.

[@vkt1729]

@@thebritishmovieguy My understanding of the Martha moment is a bit different from others It’s Lois lane whose the key in everything in that moment and this is mirrored in snydercut when reborn Superman was about to kill Batman. While Superman uttering Martha brought a tunnel visioned vengeful batman to a stop, Lois did not mention Superman and instead says “Clark , No stop” I think this is the moment Batman got to know that there’s Clark Kent a human behind the alien Superman he thought of who has a mother as well as a woman Lois lane who loves him . This is what humanized Superman to him and made him realize that he had become “Joe Chill “ the one thing he swore to destroy and not to be. An argument could be made that the world’s greatest detective didn’t know about Superman’s identity as Clark Kent but for the entirety of the movie Bruce Wayne was fixated on Superman as an alien like Captain Ahab seeking revenge on the whale. His revenge clouded his senses of logic and judgement too. For if he knew he had met Superman at the party Lex had, he would have easily figured out all about Lois, Martha Kent and everything.

[@kevinjmccloy5865]

While I don’t hate this movie anymore, I still ain’t gonna pretend that Batman killing isn’t just bad characterisation as an adaptation but unlike Burton’s own adaptation of Batman who also kills, Snyder has this overarching theme which undoubtedly is a great concept and I think how he handles superman with this theme is excellent, Batman however completely breaks that story component for me because while the script does a great job at showing how dark Batman has gone, the branding was crossing a line but it was totally in character for a darker Bruce who’s lost his way and on the verge of madness- then he starts gunning down criminals left and right in his tank, leaving me with so many questions about what snyder was trying to say about Batman or if he had all the right material but didn’t have enough time to give it a final redraft to edit out the killing. Burton’s Batman just unapologetically killed and there was never a moral debate about it within the film’s universe at the time, so I let it slide. BvS does ask these moral questions, so why would Snyder make Batman kill other than to show how dark he’s gone, I’m not against Batman learning a lesson I just think this movie and it’s themes work better if Batman was teetering on that edge and superman would had been his first kill if the Martha moment doesn’t happen. It’d make for a more entertaining viewing experience as a whole. Apart from that, I do appreciate a lot of what BvS does a lot more now than I did say back when and come to grow fond of Snyder’s mad man philosophy+every frame a painting directorial style, even if it isn’t always for me

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Kevin, you have a very good nuanced point of view. I admit that I'm fine with Batman killing in the right context, but even I raise an eyebrow when he guns/runs down the villains in his Batmoblie around the docks. It did seem a little out of place in the context. But, yeah, I'm a sucker for Snyder's philosophy in all of his films, and yes, every frame in a glorious painting.

[@ardu44]

This movie is like a wine one of the best movie of all time

[@thebritishmovieguy]

As the years turn over I’m sure it will gain the love it deserves!

[@user-se4zf5zp8b]

Great review... please make "Is ZSJL a masterpiece?"

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Sir, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm currently in the midst of Is The Last Jedi A Disasterpiece, but Is ZSJL A Masterpiece? is unquestionably next!

[@debbiebrantley61]

I love the extended Blu-ray version on bvs

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Love the extras on these movies!... saying that I love the extra's on most movies!

[@gabmoreno280]

I watched BVS in theaters and really liked it and waited for the extended edition and loved it cus this is what I enjoyed of the diallema to their ideals , as for captain america civil war it didn't impact me like bvs more realistic moments, my issues with Civil War is that yes the movie is a bit serious but its idea of both iron man and captain America can be easily fixed as for the story its ok but not good because the heroes literally act like children (especially when MCU spider man appears) the thing about that I really enjoy of BVS ultimate edition is how the story can be complex but also give u the question to how we as a culture can be better and how even if one person is powerful should they be equal to us, that is why I enjoy bvs especially the acting and the dystopian setting it fills in this world

[@thebritishmovieguy]

You are correct. I think one of the biggest issues with BvS is the "realism" people want a happy go lucky Superman, but Snyder took it from a completely different perspective and grounded it as much as he could. I guess people don't like how these Superheroes would actually behave in our reality. 100% on Civil War with Cap and IronMan. I still enjoy that film. Winter Solider is probably my favourite. I enjoy the MCU a lot more when it's more focused on individual characters... not everything has to be world/universe ending.

[@gabmoreno280]

@@thebritishmovieguy yeah I totally agree the film is very underrated And i do agree with the MCU sure it works when its connected but it needs to understand to grow u’re individual characters

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@gabmoreno280 oh 100%

[@emiliopelaez607]

In my opinion, the Ultimate Edition, is a masterpiece.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Blows my mind that this version wasn't the theatrical release.

[@shubhangbahadur7112]

The darkness aspect is fine as long as it is restricted to the Batman corner of DC. Once it permeates other corners like Superman and WW, it becomes too dark, too gloomy and too depressing for the general audience to enjoy.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Fair point. I don't mind seeing different irritations of superhero characters. Keeps it fresh for me, but I know this isn't for everyone.

[@sacaola]

Great review, I feel many people underestimated the film because of its tone. I don't think DC movies should be made for kids, I think the characters deserve the dark plots.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%. I get people want comic book accurate portrays of their heroes, but I think it's also good to have a completely different, modern take as well. Glad you enjoyed the review! Thanks for watching.

[@river718]

Batman V Superman the theater version is not a masterpeice, Batman V Superman Ultimate Edition is a MASTERPEICE!!!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%

[@dingdingyalou2881]

Man of steal, BvS, ZSJL are master piece

[@kingoflegends5927]

My favourite superhero film Bvs ✨

[@thebritishmovieguy]

The more I watch it them more it becomes one of mine also!

[@primevalyautja1305]

bruh I LOVE batman v superman. And I'm a Huge fan of Zack Snyder's Work. I Consider this film and His Cut of Justice League to be magnum opuses

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Definitely aged like a fine bourbon!

[@raphaelpyngrope9834]

What's the difference between the BvS and BvS UE ???

[@thebritishmovieguy]

The Ultimate Edition offers actual context as to why Lois Lane is in the desert, and who Jimmy Olsen is, along with fleshing out the killings. The bodies are burned so they resemble victims of Superman's heat vision. Lex Luthor's means of framing Clark in the UE makes far more sense than the theatrical cut. Also, Clark actually does some journalism into Batman that gives better context as to why Superman doesn't trust Batman.

[@freyatilly]

The Snyder Verse are all masterpieces. Only gripe is some of the dialogue is on the nose. Telling us what is going to happen is a big no no. Otherwise the actors he has chosen are spot on perfect.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Definitely a couple of clunky dialogue scenes for sure but I don't think it detracts too much.

[@miratunatar]

Name an example. Snyder always uses show vs tell.

[@academicdeaneducation6671]

This is a great film regardless of genre. Said aa much walking out of the theater. Had the ultimate edition been released in theaters, the box office and word of mouth would have rivaled or surpassed any Marvel movie. The story is for "grown-ups" and DC could have owned the darker, grittier depiction of the genre. Instead, they tried to become Marvel Jr.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100% on the UE theatre release. It amazes me that Zack had the foresight to go down a darker, realistic approach and the studio was just like, "naaa let's just do what Marvel is doing" It blows my mind that studio heads think the audience just wants the same thing over and over and over and over and over again... "They'll love it!"

[@_Dayman]

The extended cut is a thousand times better for sure, I would say a very good movie - still probably falls short of a masterpiece for me, though. The terrible misuse of Doomsday and rushing of Superman's death meant it finished on a low whether you're a comic book purist or not. I'm not sure anything that fizzles out like that should be labelled a masterpiece. Sure, you can rework characters and their origins to fit your narrative. Creative decisions are fine, and Synder nailed it with the ending change to Watchmen for example, but this was a fumble of pacing. That squeezed in ending to bring about Supes death should have been a movie all of its own as a prelude to Justice League. The other villain, Eisenberg as Luthor, also fails to deliver on pretty much every aspect of the character. He's just...annoying. Very easily argued as the worst ever portrayal of the character and he is vital to plot and the way it ends. The rest of your video I largely agree with but those two marks against are big enough to rate this one as a close but no cigar when it comes to being a "masterpiece".

[@thebritishmovieguy]

They definitely rushed Doomsday and Superman's death. I can only assume that the studio was so eager to get a Justice League movie out that Snyder thought this would be his only chance to tell these two stories that he clearly loved. I like Eisenberg as Lex, and I don't necessarily disagree with his plan, but I agree that the way he was portrayed was a swing and a miss.

[@boboboy8189]

i don't have issues with dead of superman, my issues is they should make man of steel 2 before BvS so this movie can breath better

[@brandoneye8516]

That’s my biggest annoyance when people hated on this movie well Batman isn’t supposed kill. I’m a comic fan and not only has he killed in the comics before but it’s based off the dark knight returns a where he does kill and every live action Batman has killed but yet it’s this version of Batman that gets hated in for it. same with Superman he had to kill zod and doomsday before in the comics and in zacks universe it was important for his character arc.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I don't think I've ever seen a live-action version of Batman that didn't kill... well, maybe except for the Adam West version... so yeah, it's a weird complaint for sure.

[@Geektea42]

This is a great movie. I enjoyed it when I saw it at the cinema but loved it when I watched the extended edition. I can see why people dont like it, but I think it's a great film. The Martha scene doesn't come out of nowhere like people think it does but is set up right from the start with the death of Bruce Wayne's parents. Great film and a great video.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It's undoubtedly his most divisive film of the three, but the more I watch it, the more I like it. As for the Martha moment, it's easy to dismiss it because it requires some thought... and most people dislike thinking when it comes to comic book movies.

[@JohnyLim6393]

People hate these because their expectations superhero movies should light and fun like MCU, and these movie got some hate from purist too, they can't accept imperfect Superman and Killer Batman, they can't accept realism in these movie. Time will tell, 10 years later BvS will get much more love it supposed to.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

[@mattyboyb523]

The movie is very very good but the Ultimate Edition is incredible!!! Yes I believe it’s a masterpiece and I believe Man of Steel is a masterpiece. I have no problem with Batman killing nor do I have a problem with Superman being distant and living down a dark path to find himself. For those who want the Boy Scout Superman and the Batman who doesn’t kill?? Grow the F?!$?! UP and grow a pair for Gods sake. The Martha scene?? Oh well nobody’s perfect. Should’ve left it out or found some other common ground but my God is that why the haters hate it??can’t be. My guess, the big DC movies will always be divided and controversial. Kind of what Marvel movies are now. Thank you for this video. This was awesome! I am now a follower of your channel

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Matt Boy, you said it perfectly! Yeah, it's funny how Marvel went from being an unstoppable force in which most people enjoyed their films to everyone turning against them on a dime. In terms of DC, I believe the Snyder films will gain value over time. Thank you for watching the video and for following!

[@JuanCabrer]

I loved the movie regardless of opinions. Very spot on analysis. Regards

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Yeah, it’s crazy how you can’t just say you enjoy something without others telling you you’re wrong ha! Thanks, Juan glad you enjoyed it.

[@JuanCabrer]

@@thebritishmovieguy I really don't pay attention to comments if my opinion does not fit other people's perceptions. I was taught since very early on to have my own point of view on all things, so the comments and/or opinions from others don't really matter. This movie is not the MCU take/formula and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it. Actually I like both versions. Keep up the good work! Regards

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@JuanCabrer Thank, Juan! Yes, exactly. I wouldn't have started this channel if I cared too much about what other people think about other movies.... I'm looking forward to the hate comments about how dumb I am for liking 'Said' movie ha. Thanks for the support! New video dropping today or tomorrow... stupid full time work getting in the way!

[@shengcer]

For the lack of success of this film, I said it the general audience of our generations sucks and we don’t deserve this masterpiece.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

My thoughts exactly!

[@raymondtarpley3946]

The “Ultimate” edition, yes…..masterpiece!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Yes, Raymond!

[@raymondtarpley3946]

@@thebritishmovieguy good morning and that movie was ripped straight from a graphic novel….wow. I feel sad for the DCEU. They could have really changed the game if they would have left Zack and his vision alone.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@raymondtarpley3946 Good morning! Feels like it, doesn't it! It was always meant to be a planned 5 movie arc, not a universe, so to change the course at the 11th hour was just absurd.

[@raymondtarpley3946]

@@thebritishmovieguy “exactly”👍🏿

[@joseboutsen6659]

Man of steel and BVS are true Master pieces, Snyder has the best vision of characters and respect the comic book essence, I admired the fact that he didn't make them look goofy, like that stupid Gunn and his goofy suicide squad , peacemaker and gardians of the galaxy bull s**t movies

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I love MoS, BvS, and Snyder Justice League because of the tone shift from Marvel. I don't need every comic book movie to be a popcorn, turn off your brain movie... that said, I don't mind the goofiness on occasions, but if Gunn turns DC into another Marvel clone, I won't be happy.

[@williamwoluchem4791]

Yeah your right about the suicide squad and peacemaker, his tone doesn't fit them. To me his tone just fits for the guardians of the galaxy movies.

[@jimbridges4141]

While I liked many areas of the Batman VS. Superman movie, FINALLY a Greatest Fight Scenes with Batman saving Martha from Lexcorp Cronies.. After all YOU dont steal from the Greatest Villain.. Unless your Batman.. A DEAD GENERAL ZOD becoming Doomsday is just idioc that really disappointed millions of Fans..SUPERMAN would have Never Left ZOD in the Hands Of Scientists (especially Humans) ..Much Less all that 1000s of years of Advanced Technology.. THAT WAS SO LAME..Just thrown together.. Henry Cavill should have been put in a Man Of Steel, 2nd movie where Doomsday could have been introduced, THE NEARLY UNKILLABLE Alien. The killing of Superman was RUSHED to end the Movie in Batman VS Superman.. Zach Snyder could have really worked much better with the last part of the movie being About a Real Blonde, blue eyed Kara crashing into Gotham Bay. THE Merchandising industry would have busted out at the seams with Girl stuff.. BATMAN not using the Spear of Kryptonite, later uses it to weaken Kara. Remember the Animated film. THE SHIP should have already been stashed possibly at Fortress of Solitude by Superman in the Original Man Of Steel at the ending of Man Of Steel. The Ship being too advanced for Humans to mess around with. This could have brought about Darkseid, Tricking Kara, then kidnaps her while on Themyscira while training with Wonder Woman how to use her powers.. Zack Snyder could have done so much with better Storytelling given a better script to work with. THEN A JUSTICE LEAGUE, Movie with Lex Luthor, Superman Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash and many others. JUST throwing some things out there..

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Jim, you make some excellent suggestions. The Doomsday and Death of Superman stories should definitely been given more time to develop; there was no reason to cram Doomsday into the final act when the film should have been focused on Batman and Superman. I can only assume that the studio wanted to rush out a Justice League film, so Snyder probably knew his time was limited and that he loved these two stories so much that he felt this was his only chance to tell them.

[@jimbridges4141]

@@thebritishmovieguy I agree with that, these talented guys like Zach Snyder and a few others understand ALL TO WELL, how they may get only one shot at directing or getting their ideas realized on film. Let's take This New SHORT Haired Brunette Supergirl with Brown eyes and Not very tall. I just don't believe it will fly. ALL THE SPECIAL EFFECTS. can't change who the person was born as. IF THESE idiots would stick to the Original Version of the Comics and at least keep the storytelling at least with the looks and feel of the orignal characters instead of ALL OVER the place, they would make serious Fans Scream for more..If it weren't for the Fans in the first place the films would have not got off the ground. Leave it to Hollywood to Go Overboard and Change your Love for the Characters completely. Update the time line that's fine. They really messed up Shazam. Shazam is Handsome and serious with powers that can dent even Superman..LOOK, I get the whole WE (Hollywood) want to be Versatile and give Other, people of color and such a chance to represent. HOWEVER if you look at the real Statistics and Surveys, Mexican, Hispanic, black, Jamaican, Japanese, Asian Americans, and many more just do not buy comics hardly at all. It's just not their thing OR the family's just don't have the funds to do those things.. Look, I'm not picking on other Races of people, I'm being honest and realistic. I served in the Marines for 30 years. I have been to those countries that are horrific to their people. Even when they come to America to live ALL THEY do is focus on their work and their families.. You can't OR SHOULDN'T change Legends for 80 plus years and OH WE WILL make Supergirl Latino. THINGS like that even the Latino community are SAYING, WHAT, My daughter likes the Blonde, Smart Cousin of Superman. She's a Blue eyed Blonde Haired Supergirl, says Mom and Dad. IT DOESN'T Fit. When the Orignal Characters ARE Changed to fit a Different Culture it falls down. NOW if they spent some time and Found Let's SAY an Artist who brought out an Original version of a New Character and they were Hispanic, Black ,Green, Asian that would be New and understood. AGAIN though the Characters would take years to get a Reputation OFF THE Ground. Warner Bros., is trying to cheat and change 80 plus years it took to get to the point they are at now. I have served with every color of my Comrades, and you will always learn a lot ALL WE ALL have to do is listen.. Even the Television Supergirl started getting Stupid and the ratings plummeted. Black Lightning did the same thing.. Not the Actresses, Actors fault. I BELIEVE that many Writers are not interested OR talented enough to keep a good Script for anything they write, because they never really had to struggle like the Original Writers did. Even a homeless person in America knows they have it better here than anywhere else they could be. Just a thought.

[@christianlennon714]

You’ve basically just said exactly what Iv tried to say and failed at, as there’s so many problems, it’s Dark Knight Returns Part 2 mixed with Superman Doomsday, Death Of Superman, Justice League & other stuff from great comic stories rushed together thinking any movie that has Superman & Batman in would be great no matter how pathetic story is, I defended Man Of Steel even though I left cinema on edge of tears of just sorrow, waiting 30 years expecting an epic origin, seeing him grow up in Smallville (I was kinda hoping, wishful thinking, that Man Of Steel would be similar to Smallville because Smallville just got Superman so spot on and somehow they did it very modern whilst keeping classic comic book Superman, the only ones up to now that have got Superman Spot on brilliantly is The DC Original Animated Universe Movies Like Superman Unbound, Superman Doomsday, The Death Of Superman, Reign Of The Supermen, Superman Red Son, Superman Man Of Tomorrow, All Star Superman along with Superman vs The Elite are my favourite and Supergirl both in Superman/Batman Apocalypse & Superman Unbound, Superman/Batman Public Enemies, Justice League New Frontier, Superman/Shazam, besides the animated movies only the first 3 Chris Reeve Superman movies & Smallville have got him right) Superman is not hard to do, if you treat him as a farmboy from Kansas, with abilities, my dream Superman movie would be a powered down 1940’s Superman, keeping X Ray Vision, Freeze Breath & Flight but seeing him struggle with a train if you watch Fleischer animated series just looks so amazing, introduces conflict, makes it look realistic, and again bloody looks good, a 1940’s version but in modern day with Smallville style full on gorgeous Colourful American flags in metropolis, this movie Batman v Superman I wanted Cavill Replaced immediately but Snyder Fanboys kept Zack going, not actual DC fans & General Audience as we both hated it, as a die hard Superman fan & DC Fan, it broke me this movie, they completely deconstructed an iconic hero & role model to some as Iv been a fan since 1978 when my mother actually used Superman The Movie as a babysitter whilst she would do housework, if animated films get him right if bloody Smallville can make him extremely modern and epic, why couldn’t Zack, if your doing a second Superman movie, let alone a Superman & Batman movie that is the time you hire the greatest writers, screenplay & story writers out there to write it, you’d still have Zacks poor choice of a Superman with Cavill & terrible Batman with Affleck though, he’d still be directing it with zero chemistry, zero dialogue, a moment followed by another moment, another moment instead of connecting scenes using dialogue & actual storytelling, it is the worst Superman, Batman movie, worst comic book movie out there (your idea with Kara Landing was what I was hoping for in second movie, not bloody Doomsday, not using Zods body, I’m sick of Kryptonian villains in Superman when he has so many other iconic villains, Parasite, Metalo, Lobo, The Enforcer, Toyman, LiveWire, Intergang, Bruce Manheim, The Elite, also Doomsday ain’t Kryptonian, you never use him until you know Audience genuinely loves your Superman it’s what Chris Reeves Superman 4 should have been, you don’t use Doomsday in second movie, wtf was Zack on, I love how you always get the famous lines in documentaries on the Blu Rays that “Oh he’s such a huge, massive fan of so and so” a fan, a true fan would never have used Doomsday if it had to be Batman, why not “Worlds Finest” from epic 90’s Superman animated series. This will never ever be a masterpiece, not just story but all Snyders movies used the Transformers movies guys for Special effects, CGI & I freaken hated CGI in Transformers I remember worrying about that before seeing Man Of Steel, all Zacks movies look like video games, it’s full on CGI, Sky, CGI, background environments, CGI, buildings, CGI, and why is Superman action scenes done at night in Zacks movies, Batman is night, Superman is usually bright, full of colour as Metropolis is a futuristic city, it’s why it’s called “City Of Tomorrow” you got some scenes of Clark Kent, Cavills Daily Reporter Clark Kent, he barely says a word, there’s just no chemistry between any of the actors and I bloody knew that was not acting by Jesse Eissenberg, I knew that is just his natural personality to be hype as he’s like that in all his movies, Lex Luthor is a calm, evil but a charming, charismatic evil genius, he can fool you into thinking he truly cares about Metropolis,I’m sick of seeing Lex in Superman & Zod, Superman has one of the greatest villain galleries, now Superman is under DC Studios, Warner Brothers no longer exists it’s owned by Discovery because of Zack, but it means they can’t have no involvement with story, with scenes, with the movies full stop and with Gunn writing Superman, probably the greatest directors, producers, storyteller of this generation even my lifetime I’m confident eventually Superman will be played by someone with tons of confidence, who is bright, hopeful, caring, inspirational, steals the scene, as Superman when he’s done right just steals the scene, he commands the scene, he has an authoritative voice, watch him in the international world court scene in Superman vs The Elite, with the iconic speech that he’s no one’s judge, jury or executioner, Cavill didn’t have any of those traits then to add even more insult, he gave him a Batman suit with Snyders initial as The House Of El Crest when it would have looked so amazing, in a really bright, striking blue, bright yellow, the red was good but that was only thing but not on the crest, it should have been the same size crest but with New 52 or Rebirth Comic Book Crest. Little details add up & make all the difference, that Man Of Steel Trailer 2 really fooled me into believing this is it, the greatest Superman movie and turns out to be destruction after destruction with worst Lois Lane along with Kate Bosworth, terrible performance by Dianne Lane as Martha, Russel Crow so so so disappointed me, then didn’t even look like a hologram, Gunn is a geek like us, he adores & loves Superman and besides him not giving Superman a Smallville Origin (showing parents teach him how to control abilities and gives you the heart, emotion of Superman) finally I’m confident we’ll get greatest Superman movie in history under James Gunn, that dude can write. One last thing which should have been obvious as somebody said to me at the time “is that a bad omen maybe” was his pathetic Sucker Punch movie, that should have warned us, Zack nearly single handedly destroyed the most famous, greatest, largest Franchise in history (I don’t have clue why big actor & producer such as Affleck didn’t stop, say no, let’s do Worlds Finest, this is terrible) so Ben Affleck needs to take some blame as well. After new Gunn Superman movie, hopefully, these movies will be completely forgotten collecting dust on a shelf.

[@christianlennon714]

@@jimbridges4141 Freaken spot on, how do you just know exactly what fans like me want, also if they want to do a Hispanic Character you have Blue Beetle who I love. Earth 23 Superman is African American, they could do him in the future after an epic original take on the main Superman, you just get what DC Fans like me want, we don’t want our iconic, heroes, role models deconstructed, changed, it’s because of fans like us these characters are still around, are still huge, mean so much and are getting not just massive blockbuster movies but entire franchises, because we like, adore, love the character the way they have been for over 85 years. I think it’s because you were a Marine, you know what a hero should be, consistent and these characters are you, just with extraordinary abilities. I’m British and my actual dream Superman would be to give us the 1940’s version of him, powered down, keep the X Ray Vision, Freeze Breath & Flight but the Fleischer Cartoons where you see Superman really struggling with a train not only brings a ton more conflict into it but it looks bloody amazing, it be a dream to have a powered down 1940’s Superman with Silver Age Science Fiction Comic Book Stories, Justice League A New Frontier did it perfect. I just want to see an epic inspiring, 40’s version Superman set in modern day battling one of his big main villains like the Enforcer, Metalo, Parasite, Lobo, The Elite, Intergang, Toyman, or if they won’t power him down bring in one of the Magic villains like Felix Faust. My dream would also be to have The All Star Clark Kent who is clumsy not just for sake of it but only when he needs to push someone out of the way of a speeding car as Clark, Zack even deconstructed Lex Luthor from a calm, charismatic, charming, handsome, evil genius who works out all the time, to a fidgety, nervous, geeky, hyperactive, 5ft small something. then gave us Ben Affleck in a Bat-suit and expected us to believe he was Bruce Wayne/Batman, Iv grown up with Affleck in Good Will Hunting, Armageddon, Pearl Harbour, so I didn’t see Bruce Wayne, I saw Ben Affleck. I have to give this to Nolan, he needed a dude who looked & acted like a playboy millionaire, in American Violence he was just that but he also needed an unknown with extraordinary talent, willing to do anything to get into the character and in the Machinist (Fkn brilliant film) he was willing to go down to 4-5 stone weight eating a can of Tuna every day to get the part and pull it off, you need extraordinary unknowns with extreme confidence and even more extreme talent to do these Characters. Cavill was unknown but just didn’t possess the extraordinary talent. Famous saying in Superman vs The Elite, “If it ain’t broke, Don’t Fix It”. Yet they are determined to try & change Superman, he’s perfect the way he was originally created.

[@jimbridges4141]

@@christianlennon714 Ever since my Grandfather helped me get into Comics, because I liked the Old Superman George Reeves Superman. Yeah by todays standards (whatever) it was what I watched after chores some days on My Grandparents horses and Cattle Ranch in N. Carolina. I grew up drawing The Artwork from 4th grade up won many contests in Jr. High, Even my Art Teacher entered my drawing only telling my Grandparents at first. Damn I won, And a 100. Dollars with the art in the School Case and the Cover of our School Annual. That set in motion to stay as Original as possible in Freelance artistry. The South Cleveland Tigers. Artists for Batman and Superman with Wonder Woman in the 1970s and 80s into the early 90s. YEAH I'm guilty of defending Snyder, only because we talked here and there quietly. He just tried to clean up a mess with JUSTICE LEAGUE. Warner for some time now has just kept stepping on the Fans of these Characters.. Your Comments are well received. The Zod turned into Doomsday was Absolute Junk. NO TALENT can fix that Lame Idea.. If they had just took the time, and got a good Lois Lane, and Brought in a Natural Blonde, Blue eyed Supergirl, that would have lessened the pain Many have been Experiencing for decades. James Gunn better not screw this up. Yes he can tell and write so far. HOWEVER if he doesn't have control over things it will ruin the relationship with the Fans. We'll see in time, this New Latino or whatever Supergirl they are working on, may not do so well. As I said in my Earlier posting.. When you Change the Characters completely FROM what the Fans Like Then it just becomes A bunch of junk, to make quick money.TAKE A good look at 1978 Christopher Reeves, A Great Actor with Heart, great Cast all around. Smallville Nailed it Solidly. Great Cast with Great writing, The first few Years of Smallville were so good that I bought all kinds of Recording till I could get my Copy of each Season.. Frigging Lex was off the heels bad ass. They could have Easily Run that Show another 2 more Seasons.. We Out Here in U-Tube Land, ARE IN Discomfort and Disbelief from DCs Being botched by Warner Brothers.. It looks like It Will be Years Now before THE FANS get Anything of Quality. If They Fail this time it may be another 5 years.. Todays World will not forgive much less forget.. BTW, they NEED TO PUT THE DAMN (S) back on the Cape of Superman and shorten the Cape up, good grief, WE FANS HATE THAT CRAP..Thanks for your comments.

[@laverdadescatolica5]

The Batman film should have come out after Man of Steel trilogy ended. They should have introduced Superman FIRST by telling his arc. Then Batman can have his film.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100% this. At least have a MoS 2 first!

[@laverdadescatolica5]

@@thebritishmovieguy Man of Steel Man of Tomorrow The SuperMan

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@laverdadescatolica5 I'll take these!

[@Jack_The_Mando]

I truly and deeply loved this movie from the very beginning, and still love it... The ultimate edition is surely better, cause everything u just told in the video, but this doesn't mean the theatrical version was bad... I will never surrender with my positions, i definitely prefer a movie that try to give a different point of view than a safe and boring movie that works on presetted concept...

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It's great to hear that the theatrical version gets some love also! Definitely a film ahead of its time, as comic book movies at the time were relatively safe and predictable.

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

Theatrical Cut is fair game because I do think it sucks but Ultimate Edition definitely is on the lines of being a masterpiece.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Most definitely!

[@illyph9963]

Masterpiece👍....and ive read dc comics my whole life, i have storage unit full, and THIS is the batman n sups i waited my whole life for, and all us snyder fans that love this movie, are all comic book psychos lol, the people that dont like it and claim to be comic heads, are either fugazi, or so old there referring to the comics in 50’s lol, cause watching MoS, BvS:UE, and ZSJL...if your someone who really knows the comics from THIS day n age, like 80’s to current, snyders films are literally a love letter to dc, you can tell watching them, that snyder himself loves the comics and knows them intricately just like us fans, in bvs alone he took like 6 of the greatest stories in dc comic history, and merged them into this new “earth” if u will. Its incredible from perspective of a REAL dc “comic” fan. And i think snyders overall story, rivals some of the greatest runs in dc comic history, and i think he stands toe to toe with all the great comic writers to these characters as well, and i had no problem with the killing, all the live action bats killed, difference is the others just acted like it was fine n didnt happen, where as zack used it as a story device, and purposely showed that IT WAS WRONG and out of character for batman to be this way, it was a rare, brief point where we enter into batmans life in story, zack was showing he had lost his way from robins death, and was almost becoming villain he had lost it so much, but it was only going to be that one movie, its obvious by end of bvs and into ZSJL, that superman changed him n made him realize he lost himself, n then his death inspired him to come completely back to regular batman, n gives him the hope he carries over into ZSJL, zack never intended an “mcu”, this was a 5 film arc story he was doing, like nolans batman trilogy, but was suppose to be 5 movies n have whole JL, but center around superman, and we only have 3 of rhe 5😢, and all the characters were evolving to a glorious ending in JL3, and we were cut off in beginning of half of them being developed, and now world perpetually sees the movies wrong, cause theyve only seen first half of story, its frustrating lol, BVS:UE is my fav movie of all time PERIOD, and if WB wasnt greedy n wud have just let UE be the theatrical like zack intended, the movie shud have won oscars, like its literally my fav “MOVIE”, like ZSJL is my favorite “CBM”, but bvs:ue is my fave movie period of any genre

[@illyph9963]

BvS:UE to me is genius n one of greatest “superman vs lex” stories EVER....i mean lex even uses BATMAN as his pawn, well he uses everyone as his pawn in movie lol, but fact we get intoduced to batman, as a pawn being used by lex luthor, because luthor is smart enuff to know hes compromised n will fall for it, just completely blew my mind, so many people are so busy bitching about eisenbergs voice or hair, that the completely genius puppet master he plays whole movie goes right over there heads lol

[@danielhebert6839]

Watch Ralph the Movie Maker's review of BvS.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Saved to watch!

[@juanfernando9659]

HAPPYYYY!!! Batman VS Superman ÚLTIMATE EDITION is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIMES.. @ZackSnyder is a Genius.. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ArmyOfTheDead #BatmanvSuperman

[@garthify9306]

Check out Reel Analysis. He has some crazy videos on the snyderverse than can change how you view the series

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Just checked out, The Bagua Symbol in Batman v Superman, wow that's some crazy in-depth analysis... Will definitely check out the rest. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@jt_9999]

Yes

[@mauriciohalo2081]

You no what I don’t get!! He’re are people complaining about Ben Affleck about him killing some people … ok. Fair enough!! Let’s go to “the flash” we have 1989 Batman, people are going nuts!! Did they forget that that Batman has killed people more than any other Batman in any of the movies? He killed joker??

[@thebritishmovieguy]

This 100%... Batman kills in the comics a lot... Batman kills in every film adaptation... "BuT WHy iS BAtmaN KilliNG in BvS?!.. hE doESn't KiLL"

[@Mmm-nj5dk]

YES

[@metalcastengines9917]

BvS is a movie capable of development in more than one direction that is why I Love it!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%

[@hannoversa]

My favorite of the Snyderverse films.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

The more I watch it the more it grows on me for sure!

[@agentspliff]

You should watch twin perfects video's on this

[@smartmonke1604]

Greatest comic book movie of all time 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@mcribprime6594]

The ultimate edition yes, the theatrical cut was a hash job by senior executives!!!!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100% #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@mcribprime6594]

@@thebritishmovieguy Amazon my friend, Netflix never going to happen. Personally I want to see synderverse conclude in animation, go watch superman awakens, that style animation could conclude the synderverse, easiest, cheapest, quickest way to do it. Gutted over how Cavill has been treated especially when DC/WB and nepotistic Gunn support a vile man Ezra miller who has attacked multiple women, won’t give DC another penny until he’s been fired. How can you fire Cavill all round gentleman and role model, yet support a vile toxic disgusting individual like miller, hope the flash burns!!!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@mcribprime6594 Love that superman awakens, short! But you're correct. To be honest, I don't see Snyderverse moving to Netflix or Amazon. We might get an Elseworlds conclusion in the future, but an animation would be the best option for WB. At this point, the entire Cavill saga is absurd. As you point out, they appear to have left the door open for everyone to return except Cavill, which is just ludicrous at this point with everything you just mentioned above with Ezra.

[@kryptonian5539]

It’s great. Never understood the hate. Is it perfect? No. But few movies are.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Exactly!

[@slipknotfan4204]

BVS is a coup de maître of filmmaking.

[@prabhatjaiswal6857]

if you listen to batman agmamon contingency plan for justice league, he says to stop Batman is to distract him and his parents are excellent blind spot.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Very interesting. Checking that plan out now...

[@percyprimm]

i remember going to watch it in theater and it was dogshit I was about 12 when BvS came and I was like this sucks and then it got to the Batman vs Superman fight scene and it got even worser that outcome of that fight was terrible it had a bunch of writing problems and pacing issues and lex Luther was basically mark Zuckerberg with a vendetta against Superman and the movie just felt like it didn't have no heart or hope doomsday looked like a terrible adult swim character but the things I did like was Batfleck was awesome Gal Gadot wonder woman was awesome The score was good The warehouse scene was awesome That's about it💀💀💀💀 Overall I think it was wasted potential and could have been good I would give the movie a 3/10

[@thebritishmovieguy]

First off, Percy. You were 12 when you watched BvS... thanks for making me feel super old! Secondly, I agree the Luther/Zuckerberg angle was a little weird, they clearly wanted to try something different but I don't think this one stuck the landing. Same about Batfleck, I'm gutted we didn't get to see a solo Batman with him.

[@christianlennon714]

Be honest man, it’s 1 out of 10 at the most and even that’s being generous. But things I liked about this film Nothing!

[@percyprimm]

@@christianlennon714 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@percyprimm]

@@thebritishmovieguy your welcome 😂😂😂😂 and yeah that Luther/Zuckerberg angle I didn't like that but I watched the ultimate edition for the first time a month ago i still didn't like it but it made lil bit more sense overall I give the ultimate edition a 4.5/10

[@thebritishmovieguy]

@@christianlennon714 ... but how do you really feel?!

[@florentmagere3782]

Yes it is, for a lot of reasons and its unique style.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%

[@Ityka023]

For me its the best! #SellZSJLtoNetlix #SellSnyderVersetoNetlix #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Definitely grown on me over the years! #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@ltdavissupremacy.]

The movie stand alone No, it's not a masterpiece. But put together with the Snyder cut it can be argued to be one!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

If only we could get the finished version of the entire story!

[@jasonborne4931]

Better late than never but yes it absolutely is

[@user-fm3xr9yz3i]

Yes.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

#RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@jerryallenvideographer7796]

The movie is great!

[@annaadam4201]

Best batman ever omg

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Such a shame he never got his solo movie!

[@Darkseidsolosfiction]

Yes it is

[@thebritishmovieguy]

You know it!

[@clarkekent2714]

The Josstice league is a sad mess, BUT. Zac Snyders justice league is a MASTERPIECE!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

100%

[@spider-manunknown9193]

It’s decent 7/10.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Thanks for the scores, Spider-Man!

[@serenitycouragewisdom7109]

In some ways yes, in others it might’ve been the original screw job on Man of Steel. Batman basically hijacked the movie without giving Superman a full re-imagining. Now here we are with the new DCU, and already Batman is a topic even though he’s already rebooted. I feel like they didn’t have faith in Superman so they threw Batman in it. Again great movie, but it killed Henry Cavil’s Superman long before James Gunn…and not because they literally killed him…

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I'm genuinely astonished that we never got a MoS 2. Cavill really got screwed on that. "Again great movie, but it killed Henry Cavil’s Superman long before James Gunn…and not because they literally killed him…" hahaha

[@The_Boys_Archive]

#RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ReleaseTheAyerCut

[@thebritishmovieguy]

#RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ReleaseTheAyerCut

[@rogerdominguez3691]

Being in the desert scenes should of have never been in the movie.zack should of went a different route with this movie. I guess Snyder did this cause of the knightmare scene where batman visualizes himself in the desert looking for kryptonite to defeat superman,I guess that's why he added the Lois lane in the desert interviewing terrorists in the beginning of the movie. 🤷‍♂️

[@thebritishmovieguy]

Snyder reportedly had a five-film plan, so we can only assume the nightmare desert scenes would reappear. Warner Bros. definitely got cold feet after the not so great box office returns of BvS so they basically sabotaged that plan. But you do make a good observation.

[@miratunatar]

Its all part of a 5 part epos the likes of wich you never would have seen. Its like poetry it all would have made perfect sense. Unfortunately WB kneecapped themselve before it could happen.

[@MyDeeroc]

As a stand alone movie its a masterpiece but as a man of steel sequel its trash

[@thebritishmovieguy]

This made me lol! Cavill definitely got screwed over not getting a solo MoS 2.

[@Gatasma]

I remember the hype everyone had when it was coming out. I think it was one of the most hyped mysterious superhero films. When it came out, I was so excited, three comic book loving, DC loving, friends and I went to see it. Theater was packed. Bought the popcorn and drink combo with the special edition vase. Was bored halfway through the film. When the Martha Scene happened, my friend and I looked at each other going like 'really?'. No one in the theater cried or cared for Superman's death. Few cheers for Wonder Woman, I remember everyone was so confused when flash appeared. I felt akward with that scene. Especially Since Bruce NEVER mentions it again in the film. Movie finished and we all said it sucked. Worse part of it was When the Snyderfnas, not DC Fans, blamed the general moviegoing audience for its failure, saying 'we just didn't get it', 'we weren't smart enough, it was PHILOSOPHICAL'. When really, they know nothing of philosophical films and the most "philosophical" film they've seen is probably Interstellar lol. Ultimate Edition did fix stuff that was wrong with the movie, but ultimately it just didn't entertain enough, and wasn't as smart as it wanted/pretended to be. Zack Snyder is a great visual director, but an idiot when it comes to storytelling. Superman Legacy can't wait!!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

I remember the hype also... I even drove an hour to watch it at my closest IMAX cinema... to say I was disappointed with the theatrical version is an understatement! I do understand that these films aren't for everyone, but I'm pleased we have a different version of these characters now. And, certainly, some Snyder supporters have taken any criticism too far. I'm looking forward to Superman Legacy as well, and I'm pleased with David Corenswet as our new Superman.

[@SuperSteph5]

It's a good movie just not a good adaptation of Superman and Batman.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

That's fair. It's definitely a different take on the characters, and it's not for everyone.

[@virgogaming6488]

It has problems with logic and storytelling to be considered a masterpiece. But I do find it to be a fascinating film.

[@thebritishmovieguy]

The mythos within the movie definitely gives it something different.

[@josephtucciarone6878]

How can the haters keep criticizing Superman Movies? They are goals to be strived for. Each of us can do our part to make the world a better place. Start by MAGA. Superman was raised American. That is all he knew, besides his extensive education.

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

It is and HBO ruined the Snyder verse 😥

[@thebritishmovieguy]

It's sad that they had no idea what to do with it when the fans were clambering for it!

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

@@thebritishmovieguy I've always loved the character and Henry Cavill did an amazing job. What a waste

[@thebritishmovieguy]

​@@AJJJ-co2vd What strikes a chord is that everyone seems to have the opportunity to reprise their roles except Henry... and he's the only one people want to keep!

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

@@thebritishmovieguy they keep the guy playing the flash I think the audience liked him the least 😒

[@stephencrozier396]

Seriously? The film was rushed in to compete with Avengers. It was junk!

[@thebritishmovieguy]

These films aren't for everyone, and that's fine. I think it was more trying to be its own thing than compete with Avengers/Marvel formula... but the theatrical cut of Justice League was definitely trying to play catch up.