Is Behringer Secretly Building A Flagship Synth To Top Them All?

[@StevenNelson69]

and they did drop another synth today for their last 2019 announcement- the Cat.

[@StephenLearson]

So stoked for the CAT! I played one a few years ago at a vintage synth shop and was instantly in love.

[@davidrobertson4301]

This still got a backlog. The obx-a hasn't been released the vcs3 has not been released. There was a hint about MPC/deluge type of unit would be released I believe it was a Behringer employee that released the photoshopped image

[@marcussyntar5185]

Why not a color screen?

[@FoxyNirvana]

Super knob 😎✌️☃️

[@edenhunter9904]

and a small coffee maker outputting from the rear panel .....

[@ForceStudios]

In the early 90s there was a MIDI-controlled coffee mascine (on/off) in the studio of a friend, controlled by C-Lab Creator. Not sure which brand that was, I think Miele or AEG ;-)

[@kaitsu9608]

Well that would justify fan noise for me atleast

[@ForceStudios]

@@kaitsu9608 yes, it would somehow :D (But the coffee machine was in the kitchen anyway). The funny thing was that nobody had drunk coffee ... but he had a midified coffee machine: D

[@witheldname3305]

So much yasss!!!

[@Sonikbytes]

No assignable/ dedicated knobs for FX, distortion, delay, reverb? shame! linear sliders get dirty inside quickly

[@StephenLearson]

Sonikbytes I figure there are so many routing destinations you can assign them yourself. That’s kinda the idea

[@claudianreyn4529]

They can also make 2 versions. Second one with another octave and more space for FX.

[@jr6786]

The hair is epic. The content is great. All signs point to subscribe.

[@joesayle2213]

If they pull off the cs-80 game over !

[@saladdays180s9]

Joe Sayle I have two CS-80s. Invested a ton and just recently had to buy a fully pristine CS-60 to dismantle for parts to keep them going. They are amazing. No kidding, there is nothing like them. Most owners I know have more than one as they are afraid to be stuck with a non working one. If Behringer somehow manages to keep the absolutely true magic that happens whilst playing this synth, I’d gladly endure the depreciation of these beasts. They pull the power of nine traditional flagship synths out of the socket. A lot of that magic happens when all those electrons are sifting through the machine. We’ll see. Happy new year!

[@joesayle2213]

@@saladdays180s9 what do you think of dekards dream? Have you tried it.

[@saladdays180s9]

Joe Sayle Any attempt to work an analog (or even digital, hybrid etc ) attempt to recreate the CS-80, should be considered valiant. They shot for the moon, but like most, have to compromise areas as the workings inside an actual CS-80 are inefficient (but beautiful to me), this cacophony of wires and electronics takes about 30 actual minutes to heat up. When it does, something happens to the sound as well. The squelchy cutting tone turns into magic, as the poly aftertouch extracts the nuances of what’s going on inside. If Behringer falls short of exactness, maybe they’ll come across their own magic sound. In that event, that is my hope. Most people who get to play one usually just try to do Bladerunner etc, as it is intimidating to create something new without trying to showcase the poly AT and their own musicianship, showing that they are deserving of playing one. The truth is, and I mean this to all that would get one if Behringer succeeds, you do not have to be a virtuoso. Even we’ll thought out simple playing is rewarded in a way that is never showcased. I put a phone recording of a five measure song core I looped with the CS-80, and a hint of Memorymoog on Instagram a few days ago trying to illustrate this. I am TheSynthesizerGrouch.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Real time recorded!!!!! YES! All synths should have this. I am so glad the Keystep Pro is going to have a real time recording mode as an option.

[@StephenLearson]

ADHD Synth agreed. I realize I forgot a Tap Tempo button. It would be great to even have something like a looping pedal option. Just hold it down and release when you want the loop to start.

[@medotata5356]

Where did you hear about Keystep Pro?

[@fortheloveofnoise]

@@medotata5356 Well in the end...they cut some features and the keystep pro disappointed me....maybe they will add more via updates.

[@TheWorld_2099]

Hasn’t the idea been kicked around that they are going to re-create a Jupiter 8? That of course would be the sickest analog synth on the planet, and a dream come true to have in my studio.

[@FoxGAMING-NTF]

Yeah. If they do that I *_will_* get one, at all costs. Even though I probably can't afford it, lol.

[@payt01]

@@FoxGAMING-NTF There seem to be all sorts of things cooking in Behringers' kitchen. They have the UB-Xa still coming up, and the DS-80, as well as the Prophet 600 clone kind of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if a fully fledged Prophet 5 and Jupiter 8 replica was in the works as well. It almost like a given that all those synths will see the day of light sooner or later.

[@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302]

There is nothing special on a jup 8 just the name and snobism around it

[@thestatpow5]

Like a 5 year old designing his dream car with lil missiles and ejectable seats. Truly brilliant.

[@anoopsahal1202]

Some on board effects? The phaser from the arp quadra, a delay from Frontline, the Juno chorus

[@bernardogui3933]

Yamaha CS 80 for USD 1,999.....is that you?

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

If they can pull off the Yamaha CS-80 then there's no other synth they couldn't do , I honestly don't think It can be done right for cheap.

[@AdamsBrew78]

Just missed one thing...the all important back of the synth. I/O ! gotta have stereo audio input, so we can use the amazing multi-FX section with external audio sources. If they really wanted to go all out and one-up the competition, it could have USB audio with the option to send the external processed audio signal back out on it’s own channel, separate from the internal synth. (either via USB or one of two pairs of L/R analog outs) They could also develop something like Elektron’s overbridge, so we can use the synth as a VST. From what I understand, these modern VCO’s are usually auto tuned by a DSP chip at certain intervals (not constantly like a DCO) .give the user an option to disable that auto-tuning, providing the user a button or menu option to tune OSCs when needed.

[@ForceStudios]

I played all the new clones like Prophet X, Brute,Quantum, Grandmother etc. and I came to the conclusion that everyone sounded more or less very similar. With eyes closed, it made no difference if I played a Moog or Waldorf clone, respectively I couldn`t really say what synth I actually played. In the 80s I also played the originals and each thing had its own sound character and charme. You could really tell the difference. This individualism is somehow almost completely absent today. Of course, today it's actually impossible to create a completely different sounding synth. So it is about implementing techniques in a device that lets you experience the old familiar practically new. So I wished that different synthesis interfaces and generators would be implemented in one device so that you can switch and combine between them. You wanted your synth sounding like a Wavestation and have that kind of vector sequences ? Just push the button. You wanted your synth sounding like a Moog, Synclavier, Fairlight, CS80,Wave PPG ? Just push the button...and combine it all together. (The Hybrid`s goes a little in that direction...but without having that sound of old vintage charme). For me, there`s no need for another clone of a CS80, Jupiter 8 etc. if they all sound very similar anyway. I just wanted a synth which includes different programmable synths in one device (not a simple sampler...but including a sampler, too). And if Behringer does it, please use a well playable keyboard ;-)

[@-VCO-]

So you basically want a box that let's you switch and combine different types of synthesis by pushing a few buttons? We already have that - it's called a DAW. ;)

[@ForceStudios]

@@-VCO- Yep, we`ve got DAW`s...but I want that in one hardware synth. I don`t want a single clone that sounds like a version of a Moog etc.I want a synth that could emulate all different synths in just one hardware device... and I don`t mean not only the sound-character...I mean things like vector sequencing from wavestation, patch-editing from synclavier, arp`s from analog synths etc.

[@magicmulder]

I really hope they make desktop versions of everything. Won‘t have 10+ keybeds cluttering my studio, there‘s already enough companies that never do synths w/o keybeds.

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

A vocoder section, a breath controller section and also a real-time looper with at least 5 minutes of looping time and 2 buttons record, overdub and stop erase.

[@chriskelvin248]

A looper with easy-to-use quantizing!

[@mikehydropneumatic2583]

I didn't think much of Behringer but with their vocoder they convinced me being a solid brand. Actually their clone is better than Rolands own clone!

[@josephwright5921]

So is their clone of the 303 and 808 . . .

[@josephwright5921]

Yes, the VC 330 is a very sweet vocoder and strings are amazing, too!

[@zenithpinch]

Great video. subbed

[@sK3LeTvM1]

Back in the 80's, I've owned many 'analog' synths that nowadays would give some people a hard on. Sold them all for a lot of money. M12, Chroma, P5, VS, Mini, OB8, and many more. What Behringer and other manufacturers do, is to catch (mainly) young people making them (mis)believe that these analog synths are kinda magical. That they sound 'better', warmer or whatever(which is not) It's a hype. (i.e. TR909 or TB303 that go ridiculous prices) Blind tests at university level have proven that people simply can not hear the difference. And to be honest Steven, you are the best example that proves that it's not about the kitchen, but all about the cook. I have no analog synths left, and I don't regret. My latest purchase is a Novation Summit. IMHO, (and many others ) It's been since the release of the Virus (ABCTI) that a synth has been made with such a sweet, wide, deep, dark, shiny, crispy, naughty, aggressive palette, that every 'serious' synth-lover should own one...check it out. And yes, I've tried the DM. And sold it after 5 days and bought a Peak. Followed by the Summit.

[@DavidLee07]

Perhaps the best feature of DeepMind for me is the adjustable slope for each stage of the envelopes. Just that feature alone makes it possible to change sounds more effectively than many more powerful synths. The difference between a straight line, a concave curve, and a concave curve is immense--unfortunately Behringer haven't made them very intuitive to quickly edit from the front panel, but by adjusting the values in the envelope menu you can emulate just about any envelope style from other synths. Keeping that functionality (and improving it with a knob for each segment to directly adjust the curve separately and simultaneously with the time parameter) is something I want to see on every Behringer synth--and ones from other manufacturers, too. I would go even further to add slope curves to the filters as well--12dB and 24dB are all good, but changing the slope/curve on either side of a center point suddenly would give you tremendous sound shaping potential--for instance, a lowpass filter with a very gradual curve joined with just a custom high pass trim to take out lows below 50Hz to allow more room for the bass, all in one filter.

[@chriskelvin248]

About time someone made a wishlist/ dreamsynth video! thank you sir! I would like to posit 2 features of my own: 1- jogwheel for data entry (it's so smooth to move quickly or slow down for fine movements) 2- who was it that used that "traveler"-style control whereby a slider controls a value amount as always, but there are "side sliders" above and below the main slider which limit both the physical travel of the main slider as well as the floor and ceiling of the control value itself? So not just the amplitude of a control signal can be adjusted, but both the positive and negative peaks- independently!

[@AdamsBrew78]

I think it’d be awesome if they branched out and built a killer modern drum machine/groove box. Digital/Analog hybrid, something with enough depth to attract Elektron (or Synthstrom Audible) fans.

[@blindianajones]

Seems like arturia listened with their poly brute release. Got the ribbon and morphee. What ya think?

[@StephenLearson]

Brian Hurley i know right! You’re welcome Arturia!

[@UngKristen]

Behringer One, $2500, smesh everything in sight Right?

[@sinwithsebastian]

Right now they are still in the learning phase copying the most iconic synths . In the end they will have all the knowledge to build the flagship to rule them all ... I am very excited about the PPG, but also I don’t have space for so many keyboard so I’m hoping for modules

[@squoblat]

I'd like a Deepmind version 2 that's very similar, with an additional wavetable oscillator and some eurorack compatible CV in/out that's mappable to the mod matrix

[@josephwright5921]

Koss Billingham But with a different filter than the Roland filter that distorts too quickly.

[@squoblat]

@@josephwright5921 I'd like a choice of analogue filters actually, that's a good point.

[@TheScreamingFrog916]

Yes, that. Add wavetable capability, and the touch strip, to the Deepmind, and I'm in.

[@Rialas]

Joystick is a must have for me.

[@alanshewitt]

Just can’t get enough of that synthahol...

[@synthartist69]

I would also like a Juno 60 nearly identical to the original... not a deepmind

[@padmad3k63]

With 61 keys, else it would suck to play the basslines. Especially if it has a split function.

[@synthartist69]

@Murada well the deal is that a mint condition juno 60 is about 2,500.00 plus tax on ebay or reverb. If behinger cloned it would probably be under 1000.00

[@padmad3k63]

@Murada A juno 60 doesn't have midi you need to install a mod for that. For me it's no biggie I can solder and fix electronics but others can't. There is a price difference between the Juno 60 and 106. Those 60's go for nearly 2500 while the 106 go for nearly 1500-2000. Their price has increased. But even soundwise there is a huge difference between a Juno 60 and a Juno 106. The Deepmind 12 is a Juno 106 on steroids but IMHO they should have included a 5 octave keybed with 12 parts multitimbrality, split and layer options. Behringer will make DSI look like a little kid in a wheelchair when they release the OBXa clone. They're also cloning a Prophet 5. Roland didn't want to reissue the JP8, Juno 60 etc. They said they don't chase analog ghosts while Behringer said they do chase analog ghosts. They're doing a great job.

[@theoriginalheartstrummer]

I have a juno 106 and a deepmind. I was considering a deepmind first but decided the real thing was better and got the 106. Then after some time I bought the deepmind 12 as the juno was limited. Don't get me wrong, the juno sounds incredible and cannot be matched by the deepmind 12, but the juno simply cannot do what the deepmind can, so they compliment each other really really well. So in my opinion, both works best. They're very different. Also have a model d and that is great too. Behringer make awesome synths.

[@cseagrist]

@Murada wtf are you smoking? Even 106s are like $1500 now. You can get a DM12 for $500 or less used. Also, it can do sooooo much more than a 106. And on top of that, you aren't even factoring in the maintenance issue... synths that are 40 years old have issues. The Junos especially do as the voice chips fail. Forget all the hassle. Yeah, live it won't sound the same. In a mix, I would be shocked if you can pick out a real Juno from a DM12 set to emulate one. Or you could pick up a System 8 and have a Juno, Jupiter, and JX3P... which would also sound great in a mix. Vintage is overrated. I"ll take modern features and no maintenance costs.

[@juanocordoba]

i agree on everything but the number keyboard.. just put the deepmind rotating selector

[@TheScreamingFrog916]

both please.

[@TheSwircle987]

Yes, please! I'd also love to see a separate stereo path from the filters onward like in the Matriarch. Oh, and I REALLY want that "record" feature. It's much easier to use in live improvisational sets than the programming sequencers ... why no record?!

[@FailedMuso]

Emulator II? Never saw anything about that...

[@StephenLearson]

Failed Muso I think it’s more of a hopeful rumor than anything else. They bought a bunch of gear from Tears For Fears (including an Emulator ll). www.google.com/amp/s/www.musicradar.com/amp/news/could-this-be-an-emu-sp-1200-clone-from-behringer

[@JohnDoe-bm9wy]

The great thing about 2019+ is that you can just gather a dream team and crowdfund something yourself. The 8 Bit Guy did it with his dream 80's computer. It just requires constant love and care.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Links?

[@BertvanderGenugten]

I like your ideas! It’s funny you mention the poly 800 adrsdsdssr (or something lol) i still don’t really get that a 100% on mine haha.. Here are some additional ideas by me (I’d love to hear what you think!): 1) Motorized controls (faders, knobs, on/off buttons, and yes.. even the switches!) combined with storing/recalling presets which can be loaded/dumped through USB etc. (all the modern-day possibilities). This would be especially useful, maybe even necessary, when there are that many dedicated controls on a synth!.. It would also be pretty nice to use the synth as a plugin (plugout?) in your DAW like Elektron’s Overbridge or Roland Aira (not sure) 2) Different modes for the curves of the envelopes (linear, exponential, inversed exponential, etc.) 3) Also for envelopes: attack time ‘scale’ very fast/normal, ideal for percussion combined with the previous idea. I could go on for a while, it’s fun to brainstorm on this.. :D I’m a software developer and I made a simple softsynth a while back, I feel like picking that up again now.. 🤓

[@StephenLearson]

If you’re interested, here’s me explaining the Poly800 filter kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3XalXVjfdqeatk You have some great ideas! Motorized controls would make preset recall a breeze. I contemplated including that but they would have to be well built. I know the X32 fader motors can break down after a while... I have separate ideas for an Aria style synth. I might do a video on it soon. Keep brainstorming and if you make another soft synth I’d love to check it!

[@cseagrist]

@@StephenLearson why not 3 envelopes like the DM? also... that's a LOT of filters on one synth haha. But if we are throwing everything in there... why not a wavetable oscillator and FM capabilities???

[@kiko1935]

a lot of cool stuff here. I like the staggered knobs for each osc. One thing I would love would be a synth that makes use of the montage/Kronos touch screen but would have 2 dedicated screens for the envelopes. Always on for visual feedback and you can use the knobs to program or just click the points and drag. A luxury sure but would be awesome to work with. I'd also love a knob that adjusts the envelope curve like the one in sonic academy's ANA2 soft synth so you can really fine tune those plucks, stabs or basslines. And since most envelopes are digital anyhow I don't see how this would be too difficult to implement (even the prophet 6 has digital envelopes.) Its fun to day dream and nerd out about this stuff.

[@organloft2001]

Give it 128 or 256 note polyphony. So many of these keyboards lack it. 4 or 8 or even 16 voices doesn't cut it. One of the reasons I love the Korg Wavestate

[@System-1541]

It should have all that stuff and be multitimbral -- supporting split keyboard, multipatch arrangements, layering, separate effect per layer etc.. Also don't forget an arp per layer;)

[@cesarvalerio4292]

That would be a beast sinty, i Hope behinger listen to you.

[@tommymandel3326]

Wonderful Dream Video, LP! Sort of like Fantasy Football for us geeks...Very cool. I agree that Behringer did a great job on the DeepMInd. Between the Sledge, the DM, ProX and OB6, we've gotten so many choices, not all fully analog, but all exciting and mutually complementary. Am I weird because I'd prefer the octave select switches to be rotary knobs with click-stops, and the ABDSSR knobs to be sliders on our dream machine? Also maybe the octave switches should be higher, on the main panel rather than the side panel, though that seems to make sense? That octave switch location is one thing the Prophet X has over the DM imho. I keep going to the HOLD and ARP buttons on the DM when I want to switch octaves. You can be holding a note and reach them on the PX. Maybe it was necessitated by the missing octave of keys, but old habits die hard I guess... Thanks again for this great video.

[@phinestro]

IIfeel Kn0bs better cause its feel and analog vibe/ also, It looks like a heavy b0ard LOL I would be interested in this also if it has a midi out usb and software interface to load samples like the waldorf X Sequence 8dio synth

[@apislapis]

How about the option of linking into a modular system, having patch points and a giant version of Arturia's Rack Brute 6U that attaches to it? Behringer have announced they're going to produce 40 modules, at least for now, and modular racks. Obviously, you can't call it the Peak, so how about the Behringer Behemoth?

[@SpacePatrollerLaser]

I'd go for 4 audio oscillators, two analogue and two SFZ/SF2 playback; I mean, this IS the mothership!

[@seeyouintheeighties]

great vid - i designed a behringer polysynth where you draw your own wave shapes with a pen (rebirth of fairlight)

[@BritishBeachcomber]

4:19 Oscillator shape shifting is technically easy to do. Use Log/Lin/Exp curves to morph between Square/Tri/Pulse and adjust the duty cycle to slide between Saw/Tri/RevSaw.

[@ruffiankick]

I'm waiting for a company to attach a looper to their synth similar to how Roland did with their SP-555 Sampler. I feel like that would be dope.

[@Gregorydavidmusic]

Yeah, that just about looks like my dream synth.. someone make this please 😂

[@PC0067]

3 osc, 2 filters (parralel or serie) low pass, band pass, high pass 12/24 dB + comb filter sliding, 4 DADSR + Adjusting the time (start and time) of the envelopes by pressing or vélocity on the keyboard, 3 LFO, effects, stéréo out, osc phase shift, osc sync, fm, eight voice polyphony

[@lindabarteau9006]

Here are a few of the "flag-ship" synths I'd like to see Behringer tackle: creativetechnerds.jimdo.com/synth-project/ *Especially the "Grab n' Go" Workstation Keyboard, "Hybrid Vintage Synth" Module and "Rhythm Section"!

[@lindabarteau9006]

Here are a few of the "flagship" synth ideas I'd like to see Behringer consider. Especially, the portable "Grab & Go" Workstation Keyboard. What do you think? creativetechnerds.jimdo.com/synth-project/

[@sK3LeTvM1]

I think you should buy a Novation Summit. I had the Deepmind, but to me it sounds rather, well...euh...euh...pffff I prefer to spend triple the amount of money to own a decent synth, like the Summit.

[@vrsstudiosorlando4062]

Deepmind is ok, sounds Juno ISH but menu diving is nuts and would exhaust me. Please Behinger make a great flagship 8 voice poly synth and ONE KNOB per function with a gorgeous sound. AND please do not make the mistake many make when making knockoffs..something TOO CLEAN. Make a 14bit emulation option on the out put. Keep in mind, this was part of the magic of the great flagships...to clean=boring..

[@station2station544]

Unfortunately all of Behringer synths are extremely poorly finished - they feel terrible in hand. Hopefully they don't use the cheaply made Deepmind keybed in the upcoming UBXa. Instead of making a synth SHOCKINGLY inexpensive, made it moderately inexpensive and throw another $50-100 at the fit and finish - it would go a long way. Instead of charging $249 for a synth, charge $300-325 for it and make it feel good in hand - that has zero negative impact on peoples finances and may even increase sales.. Take the "made with Chinese slave labor" sheen off the instruments. I won't add any of their synths to my studio because of the plastic feel and cheap look. Even the SH-101 from 1982 feels light years more solid than the hollow MS-1 reproduction - and the keys are awful. A studio full of Behringer vs a studio full of Sequential is a true dichotomy.

[@iantanner7579]

Replace the sequencer with a BBD circuit, and place a switchable passive jensen transformer over the output stage, leading to bal. xlr output... No usb either, just midi and cv. +kettle-lead power, NO WALLWARTS, or external psu... The filter section could be a eurorack powered slot, - with the manufacturer providing their own filter options cw ribbon cable usage for normalized operation of vcf.

[@oreliomacchiavelli6703]

Even with behringer pricing, a 3 vco with 4 shapes each x 16 voices (with wave multiplier dedicated to his own waveform as you mentioned “PWM for all waveforms”) would be pricey as fuck! On top of that you want to be able to switch between like 5 filters! Remember each voice must have his own filter. So, just for vco’s and vcf‘s, that’s 48 oscillators , 192 wave shappers and 80 filters without counting circuitry for all the other features you listed!!! That’s nice to be a dreamer, you mentioned you spend too much time thinking about this design but you forgot to think about what’s “possible” In the world of electronics or at least what is worth doing for a company! Just my two cents

[@reneotten7376]

I spoke to some guys at Behringer last week and they will announce a new analog 12 voice polysynth before Xmas. I heard some of the demos and this is the OB-X, P5 and Jupiter 8 killer because it can do all these 3 synths can do. At the same time they are still working on the CS-80 clone as well.

[@bikesbeersbeats]

And NAMM is next week.... Whats the end game here for Behringer? I feel like they're purposely attacking the used market for iconic instruments as all they have to do is copy the original machines - no expensive R&D. But eventually they will run out of epic synths to copy.

[@Robert44444444]

@ 00:32 - "poly synths" ??? The Arp 2600, EMS VCS3, and Roland SH-5 aren't polyphonic… and the Emu Emulator II is a sampler.

[@markchristopher2signal2]

I have the Ody by Behringer and Crave.. I really like them.. But!!! if the 2600 comes out at the right price, it might get traded for the Ody and Crave

[@lewisd56]

from a purely user interface point of view, not to say the design is bad, but.. its cluttered, and badly organised, especially in the VCO section. Since a VCO is an independent module, all the options to do with one VCO should be grouped together, therefore at a glance its far easier to tell the settings for each VCO rather than having to scan through rows of sliders to find the one that corresponds to each separate VCO. Secondly, since you have an LFO section, for simplicity, why not have 4 buttons, to select each LFO. The actual LFO section would have shape select, rate, depth, etc.. which would modify a currently selected LFO, fine, its one more button press and you can immediately see what your LFO is doing, you've got a massive screen that could be used to display this information. Alternatively, add a small OLED displaying the wave shape and config parameters of the current LFO to the section too. The money saved in removing 6 faders would fund this. I would also expect the use of endless encoders, rather than faders, as so long as they are paired with an appropriate feedback mechanism, would make programming easier (although, this is very much subjective). A similar principle should be applied to envelopes, display the current selected envelope on a screen, either the main one, or a small dedicated OLED, and use endless encoders and a selector to choose what one to modify. The data fader, since its to do with the primary interface, should not be off to the side in the same section as the master detune, its not obvious its function when placed there, it should either be separated from the dedicated front panel controls and put next to the screen, or put under/next to the screen as an endless encoder, once again for convenience, as it would allow it to be multi-purpose, say, as a scroll wheel for a menu at one time, and a data entry another. The filter section should be laid out with filter type selection buttons actually within that section, the buttons relate to the filters, and should therefore be grouped with them (this is literally a design law for user interfaces). So, finally to the modulation section, the problem here is there are far too many controls, all too close together. for a start, the sequence buttons should be larger, and further apart, maybe better spread along the top of the keyboard, but as they are now, i guarantee after staring at that matrix for a while, your eyes will ache. The tempo knob is really a master control, and should be put somewhere for all the master controls for the synth, along with volume and master tune. The sequence control buttons should be with the screen and other data I/O buttons, as most of the feedback from them will be displayed here, it would make it slower to program a sequence having to keep glancing back and forth between the sequence matrix and control buttons and the main screen to see whats going on, especially when editing the sequence after creating it. From a personal perspective, id like to see dedicated effects controls, but, obviously, this is behringer and they want to be somewhat affordable, decreasing the number of dedicated controls by having selectors would help in keeping construction complexity and cost down, while still providing a perfectly usable synth, just look at how waldorf does it with the quantum, the screen is the primary feedback device.

[@metaspherz]

I'm not a fan of sliders that will eventually develop scratchy noise issues and difficult gummy sliding despite being covered during non-use. Behringer has had serious issues with faulty mixer's sliders which have affected me directly resulting in replacement. Filter sweeps are annoying with sliders too and one of the things I dislike most about my DM12. I'd prefer to see Behringer copy the Moog or Prophet line of synths. I just think that knobs are more convenient, takes up less surface real estate and are more aesthetically pleasing than sliders. A few sliders are okay though. But each to their own...

[@motherbrain2000]

my main gripe with most poly-synths with patch memory is that the panel doesn't (and can't) update when one changes patches. I'm convinced endless encoders (rotary) with light rings indicating position is where it's at. I often dream of someone implementing the so called "saturn ring" knobs from NI's Massive with 2 or more color coded lit rings per knob (the preposterously expensive waldorf quantum is the closest thing i can think of that does this).

[@herbertherbert3909]

Where do you find the time for all this? I realize Behringer is known for producing inexpensive products but what you’ve designed will be expensive but awesome!

[@Sharon-music]

I am frothing for this synth. My man you are a f:+king genius. !!! BEHRINGER!!! GET THIS MAN A JOB.

[@intelligenceservices]

i think ADSR is missing a D in the beginning, for delay. Envelopes should do nothing until assigned, so that way they can be freely assigned to any destination in the routing matrix. Also, motorized faders for patch recall as well as vertical LED meters by every fader that show modulation happening.

[@michaelhall2074]

A 256 step sequencer like Moog has on the Grandmother. 64 step is so last year and not enough for composing a full project.

[@blindianajones]

This is great. One of the things Behringer did that I prefer is with the Neutron. Having a software based interface. I'd love all hardware synth makers to stop cramming controls in small screens. Have a port that can plug into a tablet and let me do the deep dive changes on a screen size of my choice. No small screen is helpful, especially when playing live.

[@Reg-Edit]

I think they have always been considered the poor end of the market but the technologies and building processes have definitely improved Great content btw ❤️

[@designator7402]

I know I'm late to the party and all, but I gotta be honest here: Your sequencer design looks terrible. Everything else I can agree on, but that sequencer would be barely usable, especially in a live setting. tiny buttons, everything too close together, absolutely nightmare if you slip.

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Yes! I agree with most of the design. My only fear is that they will focus on providing these features and not pay enough attention to the quality of the oscillators.

[@jason.martin]

Of course they are !!! :) They are off the scale with what they are doing. They have demonstrated with vision and drive you can accomplish a lot. Really has put Roland to shame in the side of things

[@alm5966]

SH5 would be awesome.

[@claudianreyn4529]

It's quite a dream synth indeed. What about the tone? Should it sound more like an OB-Xa, or any other classic synths? The tone interests me the most. It should sound incredible.

[@demokid2000]

Apparently not. Maybe Behringer should stop copying all classic synths and create their own sound.

[@michaelhall2074]

Needs the same number of effects as on the DeepMind. Also a full size oscilloscope/spectrum analyzer

[@tommyg5095]

The layout of your idea is just a start, close for sure, but could be expanded on... Imagine what this could be if George from UDO and Uli embraced each others strengths, brain stormed, and did not let anything hold them back, and created the ultimate beast...

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

My two dreams synths already exist ACCESS VIRUS TI2 and WALDORF KYRA me nah need mo :-)

[@AdamSpade]

I want a sampler that clones the Emulator, simmons, mirage, sq80 etc.... Add that to your dream synth. Haha

[@flylord4361]

you left out spread like on serum and modulation routing. Envelopes, FM routing.

[@deltagolf2219]

how about the occiloscoop 16 drum pads and a slide rail and 2 rows off 9 drawbars then it is a perfect master controler to

[@ericpertnikovs8866]

There is no such thing. Musical instruments are tools. They each has a place. My Dave Smith Mopho does things my Korg Kronos can’t do and vice versa. Don’t get into the trap guitarists get into , when the instrument has magical properties, suddenly elevating your playing to new heights.

[@tommymandel3326]

What you say has truth, but it's still a fun thought-experiment!

[@davebellamy4867]

Hee hee you need to make another video as of January 2020 NAMM show, system 100, etc. ...

[@thebarondisco7741]

I like their push, but the saturation in the market of monos doesn't do much for me. Bring on thr polys

[@WarriorPoet01]

How about removing the keys altogether and adding the best ideas from the comment section and making it a “master module”. Just plug in an inexpensive controller (or use an existing keyboard from ones collection). BAM! No tiny module knobs in a rack mount - just more real-time studio/live performance features at ones fat fingertips!

[@WarriorPoet01]

Behringer would name it the POET01 ;)

[@StephenLearson]

Great idea. I love it

[@tsope1]

looks nice, but i would get rid of the screen a key pad for a tone of patch points. oh and it needs another envelop.

[@josephwright5921]

I would like to see the OBX remake combined with the arpeggiator and effects engines of the DeepMind.

[@Smaragdschloss]

I would be happy, if Behringer gave us a clone of the fantastic Maxi-Korg!

[@kropjesla01]

an LFO that could be modulated by an envelope is something I would really value

[@anoniconoclast2030]

My dream synth would be a Prophet T8 with Prophet 5 sound.

[@mmrva]

...polysynths like Arp2600, SH-5, VCS3...(facepalm)

[@bukkaratsuppa6414]

Your dream-synth sucks, but the very idea to make such a video rocks. Of all the other nerdy synth reviewers you're the only one who done it. Altough, the idea seems to be on the surface.

[@JayKaufman]

It must have been pretty windy on the way over to the studio! Haha.

[@zorancalic65]

why dont you make your cimbination from modular synth?

[@christdolphin69]

thats your dream synth? i have never seem such a lack of imagination

[@keykiyox]

Bode frequency shifter would be nice. I am enjoying DeepMind12d, Neutron and Model D, along with Korg MS20mini and Odyssey module. Ready to spend some more on great Behringers.

[@Unshapenkris]

Behringer if you read this please dont make this synth.

[@32ndBrother]

How about an ARP Quadra Clone. I love my DM12

[@markjeter5819]

Portamento?!!!!!!!

[@cazalorganism7020]

A wavetable osc engine or two would be ill but this is a solid build lol.