Is China's "Progress" Worth It?

[@ADVChina]

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[@Ron8649]

Progress = freedom = Hong Kong anarchy.

[@toastangler]

Big thanx Winston for putting that Uri Wong track at the beginning of this video :)

[@旮旯北京]

Constantly spreading one-sided, over-exaggerated, over-generalized and lies make this channel honest? Btw, after left China two years already, your informations are pretty much obsolete.

[@aurorayou7982]

I have to stop following your channels. Everyt ime I watched your videos, I had a depression attack. I can't finish daily tasks because of your videos. You are not going to hurt the Chinese authority with your saliva, but hurt the curious people who are interested in how foreigners perceive China. The authority won't care what you think about them because your opinions are too politically-ignorant and one-sided. You are not going to change anything. They are going to keep doing what they think is right.

[@yahoshua]

What is your BitChute channel? Once all my subscriptions migrate over I'm dropping YT.

[@chkbspctr]

Traffic settings: high Discussion: Expert

[@forevercomputing]

Traffic? That was moderate... and I've been to Vietnam.

[@MLOO123]

@@forevercomputing don't forgert Indonesia, Philippines and Thailand...

[@forevercomputing]

@@MLOO123 Left flow traffic isn't an issue.

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

You know that everything (literally EVERYTHING) you guys describe here applies equally to post 9/11 Western countries and governments too, right? I'm not particularly concerned what Big Brother wants us to think of either East Asia or Eurasia ....

[@COBARHORSE1]

Reminds me of a dog tied up in the front yard: as long as he doesn't go too far, he thinks he's free. But try to go a little further, and you suddenly feel the rope around your neck.

[@MiaogisTeas]

You nailed it. Happiness in slavery.

[@NovaZero]

How appropriate. They're dogs. Pets for the the other dogs in the big house.

[@williamswenson5315]

The PRC's controlling access to information is essential, if its people are to never feel the leash tightening. A fine analogy, by the way, for a society as close to Orwellian as any has ever been. Ministry of Truth, indeed. So, pay attention common man; this could be your future as well if you don't pay attention to politics in your own countries. Vote if you can; participate in public forums in a civil way and keep some variant of democracy alive in your own country. You must believe there are those who would utterly control your lives and those of your loved ones. Often, they are true believers who are only doing what they do, for the public good. Be not deceived; they are truly evil.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

That analogy is appropriate for every one of us not just the Chinese.

[@smurf3339]

Anyways, it's unwise to resemble yourself a dog untied.

[@Brad-ku9yu]

Absolutely, I love the long format.

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

Definitely, reminds me of the older videos. Less edited and just talking, more like a radio show.

[@antimonycup7066]

@Brad Me too, but YT doesn't (anymore). Hence their new rule by which they will be able to ban channels (and users) for not being commercially viable. And if you argue that you *are* they will demonitize you first, and *then* boot you off for not being commercially viable. -KZbin- *Corp(oration)tube is the future.

[@Failedcyborg]

I feel this 100%, I was born in beijing 30 years ago, i remember places where there were ponds, trash heaps, dirt roads are now beyond downtown NY, with buildings people cars and bikes buzzing around. Sure one can argue that the average life of a city dweller has improved greatly, but when each breath of air is choking you, each gulp of water questionable, I fail to see the point of any physical progress happening, when the most basic necissities (air/water) of being alive is complete garbage, there was absolutely no point in staying there.Literal hellhole to me, being a Canadian is much better.

[@davidmachemer1015]

I confess I was once one of those who sang China's praises in the early days. That was mainly because I personally saw big changes. My first trip to China was in 1987 and I was told to be careful where I went and was physically tailed everywhere I went (though it was easy to shake the guy, because he wasn't very diligent in his work). Years later, in 1992, I followed my Chinese wife back to China and was amazed that I was now allowed by law to visit locals in their homes and go anywhere I wanted in the cities we visited (or so I was told by everyone, including party members). So it was easy to feel that China had really progressed in 5 years. It took a few years, after moving to China in 1995, before I began to see the dark sides of life in China - mostly having to do with church activities, which we had to be very careful about, due to the government's paranoia about "foreign influence". For instance, the foreigner church in Shanghai was shut down in 1996, but reopened a few years later with the rule that we needed to check passports and turn locals away at the door. Any faith gathering of foreigners and Chinese nationals had to be very low key, because it remained illegal all the time I was there - though how strictly it was enforced varied widely from time to time.

[@lwrii1912]

I like the long format. A nice mix of long and short format is cool.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

@Papyrus Okagbue They have more use to my study of Asia than any five books I have read on the subject. They are not my only source they are only one of very many sources.

[@StinkyDinkins]

I judge a country's development by the state of their public toilets. That's why Denny's is considered 3rd world.

[@karlp8484]

Wait until the India video comes out. You ain't seen nothing yet about toilets.

[@TheXxfurloxx]

italy must be the most developed one since we have a bidet on our bathrooms.

[@joefromravenna]

Stinky Dinkins, you sound like our mom. She always warned us about eating at joints with really bad toilets. Their toilet reflects on their fridge and freezer.

[@Kiwionwing]

German public toilets 💩 New Zealand public toilets 🤗🌞

[@ABEL13ize]

In my country Eritrea we are like the world 30 years back but we have pretty good public toilets

[@oduffy1939]

Russian post-soviet joke: "Every thing Marx told us about communism was wrong, but everything he told us about capitalism was right."

[@takashi.mizuiro]

I don’t understand

[@oduffy1939]

@@takashi.mizuiro Marx was wrong about the promises of communism. But he was right about the evils of Capitalism. (Russian oligarchs and mass poverty)

[@takashi.mizuiro]

oduffy1936 thanks

[@hoangvietnguyen949]

oduffy1936 it is always easy to point out the wrongs of someone/something but it is always wayyyyyyy harder to do better

[@oduffy1939]

@@hoangvietnguyen949 So you're a capitalist?

[@reddymon]

I have ridden motorcycles of one sort or another for almost sixty years. I know it is dangerous and I accept that as normal. But that ride you just took us on? OMG! I thought disaster was imminent about six times in a twenty five minute ride. I could not do that. Then you spent the whole video talking of how just below the surface of an otherwise marvelous society the police state is poised to squash you with a huge thumb. I grew up in LA where pollution was a normal fact of like. We have in large part fixed that problem so it is hard to fathom living in an place where the smog is twice as bad as anything I grew up in. Bottom line? Travel in Asia might be interesting but....... no , I’m fine right here at home.

[@shadowmod3]

how they can ride the crazy streets of Vietnam shows how they understand the mentality of the ppl on the streets.

[@SuperShiki666]

you get used to it, you'll get a sixth sense of whos an idiot and who is not

[@steve8D]

It's dangerous to ride a motorcycle in Vietnam, especially if you're easily jumped. The horn of the truck at 18:52 would have jumped someone and made them fell off their bike. Some truck drivers are tested to have taken cocaine during their shifts on the highway so it's incredibly brave of them to drive motorcycles there.

[@DurzoBlunts]

Travel to phuket and pataya kekekeke good ole time

[@Dowlphin]

I hear in India the air pollution can get so bad that it causes pieces of persistent foam to form on tumultuous spots on rivers. Looks a bit like arctic sea during melting season.

[@deadfoxxy]

I can't focus on the conversation because I am FREAKING out every 5 seconds due to the free-for-all traffic.

[@snipedotgenius]

I’ve literally binged watched for the past 6days from channel to channel I love you guys for what you do inspirational...

[@mrjj1f]

I like the long rides. The level of commerce is amazing. I was in South Vietnam in 1966 and it was so much different. I feel that big population and big pollution go together. Thank you so much for these videos.

[@Kevin-wj1do]

I actually like the longer ones more than the shorter ones. They're all good, but its nice to settle in, drink a beer and listen to the collapse of china.

[@HankMeyer]

Thanks for going on for longer than usual. Also, you're right that it's not nearly as bad in the USA. I don't know to what extent the NSA, the CIA, and the FBI collect information about civilians, including foreigners. However, I work at a police station, and I can assure you that local police are very limited in what they have access to in regards to individuals' private information. The federal government is super protective about privacy. If local police want to even know a subject's criminal history, they can get it from the FBI, but they have to maintain records of when and why they requested it, and it better be a justifiable reason, or else their privileges to request that kind of information will be revoked. And that's just the person's criminal history. If we want to know their gps location, we have to fax a subpoena to the phone company, even if the person is presumed to be in grave danger. Rights are a big deal in the USA. The officers at my department, for instance, are strong believers in the right to own firearms for personal defense. One of them is a licensed arms dealer. That's not to say that agents of the US Federal government have never intimidated, spied on, or assassinated individuals who "knew too much" and could potentially expose the crimes of the wrong corrupt officials. Absolutely that kind of thing goes on, but it's pretty rare. US officials are disgraced and forced out of office for having wronged an ordinary citizen on a regular basis. It's the rare citizen who gets in trouble for causing trouble for a government official. More often than not, the citizen will get paid a lot of money to keep it quiet. I doubt that would happen in China.

[@gilbertreeves2084]

Thankyou, and thank our founders for the rule of law..Its a pain yes..until you see the total lack of it in China.Its an eye opener to go to the police station and they know everything about you...thats a freaking nightmare state.

[@JAM661]

Well every government thas some level of corruption because people can be dishonest. If you look at our history we always have had political infighting. The difference was that it did not take over people belief systems like today. The parties comprised to get things done instead of either playing stalemate ot force something in because you cannot give the otherside a say to help make it more acceptable. The worse is the media.. They over-hype everything and make people just so dare fearful.. Of course younwant to use some Com on sense,, but that seem to be q trait people are missing. The other thing is to be able to have freedom,, then people need to have some level of personal responsibility for their actions. That includes making the best with what you have.. Fortunately greedy people always push it, but they eventually make mistakes. It may take a while. but when you are wanted by the police you will eventually be found. It may take some months or even years, but unless someone wants to live off the grid in some forest in the middle of nowhere in Alaska, you will be found. You period of hiding will also be haunted by your very own prison of mentally always wondering when you will be caught. But what does amaze me is the number of people who just go missing and are just never found. However there seem to be a rash of people now being found years after they were missing after they drove into a lake and river and died in the crash. I think of I have heard of at least 15 old missing cases in the past year or so ( someone was missing for 40 years ago) and they finally found the body in a middle or river or lake inside the car they were known to last be in.

[@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO]

Vietnam is crazy :) A literal free for all. If I was not an experienced rider (and I'm not), I would never dare drive in cities in Vietnam. Traffic is insane there.

[@cameralabvietnam]

SkylineToTheSeaAndMe who says we Vietnamese don’t have “freedom” ;) I mean look at us, we literally go anyway we want on the road

[@luisvlogs5560]

Honestly I can hear these talk about anything all day lol

[@syntaxerror8955]

At least you don't point a finger, and say "Mommy, THAT ONE!" (Happened to me in China -- where in kids' eyes I was a "thing" to point at.) :-)

[@EroticOnion23]

@@syntaxerror8955 Are you a girl?

[@syntaxerror8955]

@@EroticOnion23 I had a penis at least two hours ago. (Wait, let me check again!)

[@cococomanjo]

I would say 25 - 30mins is the perfect length for videos so you can fit them in a lunch break.

[@valetudo530]

I like them long... sometimes 10 feels so short... 15-30 mins is cool with me

[@BH-ix7nq]

Long and deep 😏

[@champagneshowers299]

@@BH-ix7nq BIG SUS

[@wlan246]

@@BH-ix7nq That's what she said.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Pennsylvania: I'm going to have reckless drivers in my state. Vietnam: Hold my beer.

[@JimmyTVu]

Vietnamese here, I can confirm

[@illwitness]

Live in Vietnam I concur, lol.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

@@illwitness I live in Delaware, on the East Coast. The worst drivers are transplants and tourists from Pennsylfuckistan, New York (it's not just a city), and New Jersey. We only tolerate Pennsylvania because of Wawa (a regional convenience store chain).

[@onemoremisfit]

Nobody: Will it fit in my Honda? Hold my beer Am I a joke to you? Asking for a friend Everybody gangsta End this man’s whole career He protecc, he attacc … Sexual/genitalia innuendo Scatological/potty joke Question of quantity answered yes Plot twist Left/entered the chat Gaming reference Dislikes are from I’m a simple man Last time I was this early Legend has it That’ll buff right out Punch line below read more

[@GilBatesLovesyou]

In Vietnam I've heard of very similar situations with foreigners and "the law." In one city I read about a guy who was staying in sort of the tourist/foreigner district (not Saigon or Hanoi) for $300-400 a month for a tiny one bedroom/room place. He decides to shop around the city, finds a two story house for $300 a month outside of that district. Landlord is OK with renting to him for that price, but the police wouldn't let him move there as they stated it was "the law" that foreigners could only rent in that foreign district of the city. There was no law, just the police insisted that was the law, and that was it. It was just a racket. One question in China... In Vietnam a lot of people actually pay to get government jobs. Was this common in China, too? I've heard figures of about $5000-12,000 to get a government job in Vietnam, but you get basically life employment and a cut of bribes/etc. For locals in Vietnam as well, I think a lot sort of like/accept the bribe/corruption system. It makes life easier. For example, only the poorest people need to go to the compulsory military service. Everyone else just pays $300-400 to get out of it. Even Taiwan by comparison still has compulsory military service nobody gets out of except with immigration (there's a very famous story of a foreigner who got Taiwanese citizenship in the 90s and called up for it...) and even if you're a pacifist you still need to do something like paper sorting/etc for the government for a few months.

[@prdalien0]

Nobody: Still Nobody: C-milk: Gotta go fast!🏍

[@onemoremisfit]

Nobody: Will it fit in my Honda? Hold my beer Am I a joke to you? Asking for a friend Everybody gangsta End this man’s whole career He protecc, he attacc … Sexual/genitalia innuendo Scatological/potty joke Question of quantity answered yes Plot twist Left/entered the chat Gaming reference Dislikes are from I’m a simple man Last time I was this early Legend has it That’ll buff right out Punch line below read more

[@maximilianswansson1264]

There is a huge peer to peer lending scam being uncoverd in Thailand right now aswell

[@Wangleineo]

That is the same group of people, they just moved out of mainland China.

[@nangergong]

does Thailand govt help all of them to get money back?

[@okisdr]

@@nangergong not always, depends if they manage to catch them or not. Like the big scheme that the original comment was about is currently being investigated by police and some of the people behind it have been arrested so those people will be forced to pay back what they stole. It good though that even if Thailand still is a 3rd world country they still take this stuff seriously and are willing to use resources to actively chase down these scammers and put them to justice.

[@nangergong]

@@okisdr China also catches scammers and return money to the victims, but not all of them

[@okisdr]

@@nangergong not sure what that has to do with what the comment was talking about. I guess it's the usual inferiority complex kicking in that makes you feel like you have to defend China even if China isn't mentioned.

[@LifelovingAdventurer]

Holy crap the traffic is worse than Thailand! It's amazing their wasn't any accident:)

[@nathantheo9623]

that's Viet nam

[@DiscoverMVP]

I have a feeling you are exposing corruption actually. Stay Awesome

[@zanetusken]

I used to think China was free because they could smoke in the hospital... lol boy was I dumb

[@MegaWarell]

China is like how it was in the West 60 years ago when it comes to smoking = people smoking everywhere.

[@Mrdukewenjia]

@@MegaWarell no smoking inside. come on guys……it is 9012, not 1945……

[@anthonygeorge9932]

Haha

[@yfs9035]

@Thunder Life Why would you want the government to tell people what to do? Especially if it's as harmless as vaping has proven to be. You can dislike it all you want but creating laws against it is authoritarian.

[@SyntheticParanoia]

I live in Eastern Europe and I make a distinction between two concepts of Freedom. One we call "Свобода" [Svoboda] and it refers to the idea born by the Liberalism - freedom of speach, association, equality under the law... The political and philosophcal concept of freedom in a free society. Basically "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" stuff. The other concept we call "Свободия" [Svobodyia] which is the evil twin of Svoboda. It means to do whatever you want without any responsibility or repercussion. It's chaotic and lawless behaviour that erodes the civil fabric of society - drugs, scams, selfish behaviour to the detriment of everyone around you and so on that is left unchecked and unpunished and cases damage. Whatever you can do and get away with. Chineese citizens have none of the former and shittons of the later, but are convinced somehow its the other way around. Until you try to actually seek your Svoboda and get slapped with Svobodiya. Bitter pill to swallow. And CCP must be afraid of people gathering in numbers asking for the promised Freedom. Because CCP cannot afford giving total control away. And people might get upset and start getting some ideas about what is actually better. CCP knows that's how you get revolutions started.

[@Evil.Totoro]

I don’t know if Japan is spying on me, but after 7 years of being here. Having used a working holiday Visa, then a specialist in humanities visa, followed by a spousal Visa, when I went to apply for my permanent residence visa, the girl at the counter asked if I just wanted to apply for full citizenship. I was happy to hear that, but also didn’t want to give up my Canadian citizenship as Japan doesn’t allows dual citizenship. I later found out I could have reapplied for my Canadian citizenship after receiving Japanese citizenship, and just keep it hush hush, from the Japanese government... but I couldn’t be bothered with the whole process. - Edit - that ramble was meant to say Japan isn’t actively trying to kick foreigners out.

[@30803080308030803081]

I do like the long format for ADVChina videos. It is relaxing and interesting.

[@gretchen8472]

You guys bring multitasking to a whole other level LOL amazing!

[@williamswenson5315]

Thank you both for not skipping from one trivial, titillating travelog to another, all the while seeking after any subject that promotes clicks. Rather, I find you tackling the serious issues of our times in an evenhanded and comprehensive fashion that is so missing in today's news coverage. Kudos! May chance and fortune follow you always.

[@HeinousAnusOG]

"Two very honest cynics go for a bike ride in unsatisfactorily dangerous regions" ADV China in a nutshell :D love you guys!

[@regnstrom]

Have you seen the movie "The Lives of Others" (Das Leben der Anderen)? East-German lower tech version of present day China. The end is maybe the best movie ending ever, depending on your sense of humour.

[@laserleftfootttt7683]

At a S. Cali company, my chinese manager asked about some of the comments I made and if something was frustrating me. I Went on a diatribe starting with my peers, the engineers, the managers, all the way up to the CEO, then the U S Congress and the Supreme Court. And finished with asking if she was aware that we have less than 1/4 inch of topsoil left in the united states. So just forget it, it is all over. She said "No". And how much does VietNam spend on all damn those red flags?

[@dancegregorydance6933]

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[@Froschvampir]

Winston is right about the long episodes. I've never been a fan of 10 minute videos, more is more, especially when the quality is high anyway. Which is why I love the podcast, I can relax without thinking about what to watch next.

[@ShoebAdnan]

Please more of these lengthy and intellectual discussions. Please!!

[@aldiboronti]

"I believe that they like a little bit of long format after a while" You believe correctly, my friend. Another excellent video!

[@KgH0sTX]

Im loving the long videos!

[@divatokyo1]

Thank you two for working hard on these amazing videos. You won't believe how encouraging they have been for me during this STAY HOME. No worries about the video being longer than usual. Just hearing your voices while I sew masks for family and friends is relaxing. Thank you for your team work. Please continue to protect yourselves if there is danger nearby. Mary

[@vidtrax662]

China’s form of progress is a different entity altogether. Cool riding while vlogging, awesome!

[@SmartDumbNerdyCool]

@StrategicFooyoo You're right. That's why the Illuminati is scared China will eventually get there one day making pure capitalism look bad (or that melting pot called America - not hard).

[@peggylee2471]

I just found your channel yesterday and have been binge watching since. I want to give you two a round of applause. You guys are right on the money!

[@BichinAround]

You guys are good people I do believe you. Thanks for the video and safe travels

[@tijldeclerck7772]

I do really like the long format guys. I could listen to this for hours

[@sstoro]

Love your guys work. Just purchased both exploring northern and southern China. Thanks again.

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

I’m a tight ass, I was waiting for Northern China to come to Prime. Looks like I’m going to have to get my cash out.

[@ongbocau]

We love the long format WHEN you are on the bikes! :)

[@hoddtoward]

*goodbye my sweetheart, hello Vietnam plays in the distance*

[@TheMuddyfox]

for this ADV format I really do like the videos to be longer! Keep up the awesome content guy’s.

[@celynjones4958]

Great chat and vlog guys. I thought Thais and Indonesians were reckless drivers but Vietnamese bikers are next level. Keep it rubber side down.

[@matasuki]

POV shots + podcast style vlog is your secret sauce. Love ADV China

[@TerryB751]

This ride had a thousand close calls in traffic.

[@deusexaethera]

I like the longer videos. I don't have to find new videos to watch as frequently.

[@TrangleC]

Indeed, bring on the long form stuff. If it were for me, every episode could be an hour long, or longer. That is the beauty of streaming. Nobody says you have to watch the video in one sitting. That is why I never understood people who prefer short videos. You like it short? Congratulations. Every long video is several short videos, once you discover the magic of the pause button.

[@G13RS]

"You like it short?" That's what she said

[@nekochen]

I don't usually "watch" your video, I listen to it while doing other stuff, so a long video is always the best!

[@sonny凡]

Woah 29mins! Awesome guy's.

[@TesterBoy]

Progress in a country is mostly determined by how well it abides by the rule of law. The lack thereof determines how well corruption is kept in check, how large the gap between rich and poor is, the level of personal safety, and how well human rights are respected.

[@juststeve5542]

4:00 impressed you waited watching the chaos for over a minute before going native when pulling out! lol! I think I would have turned right, got myself to the middle of the road and U turned! What insanity!

[@MR..181]

driving in a free society make reflexive superioritys..

[@Rabsmyth91]

Enjoyed this episode guys. A long format now and then is nice, especially when yous have so much to say.

[@ExecDefense]

Longer format was OK because the "examples" keep the interest up!!!

[@batmantran154]

I have been a fan of you guys for such a long time , I gotta say it is a thrill to see you doing episodes in my country now. Please be careful and watch out of speeding drivers

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

5:53 MADE IN, weirdest shop name I’ve ever seen.

[@silversteel7875]

The last word they missed out was "China".

[@patman2193]

guys love the long format - could listen to you guys for a while. you should put this on a podcast too.

[@ballywilliamsgottlieb]

Long rides are better. More stuff to learn. More cityscapes / landscapes to watch. Near collision counter running high this time...

[@DanTheCaptain]

Sorry just out of curiosity what car is the white one on the street at 4:00? It looks really cool but I'm not sure if it's tuned or if it's factory and don't know what the hell it even is...

[@The_Custos]

People can have very false impressions, until their *apple cart* gets overturned, seized, or destroyed.

[@citrusflavored]

Long format is great! Makes it so I can eat breakfast or dinner while watching. Also, the chaos of those streets looks terrifying...

[@Reinhard_von_Lohengramm]

For a second I thought the video track was on loop at 4 minutes because it looked like the same people with white and blue clothes drove past in the other direction 3 times.

[@tubeyou0101010]

@Reinhard von Lohengramm - They must have passed the store fronts for "Thegioididong" at least three times.

[@uncle_esau]

Love the long format! Love listening to you guys and watching your expeditions. Please continue to make longer ones! By the end im still wanting more

[@taotao98103]

Winston: The 內蒙古 sticker on your helmet is peeling off.

[@Insane247714]

yes, this is the type of video that got me hooked to your channel and allowed me to learn about china, vicariously through you guys.

[@Fronk11]

Why does the intro song make me jam out and feel happy every time? What magic have you put in there?

[@themightyspoon9641]

Keep the scooting vids coming they chill af

[@puttputt524]

I am loving this channel. My family is Taiwanese and this man gives the most pragmatic, objective summary of chinese politics and culture.

[@atticusace6103]

Nice new helmet C-Milk!

[@joecanis484]

The longer the video the more information shared and the more visuals of the country you are covering. No complaints about longer videos. What you provide is situational awareness for travelers to China and elsewhere. When going abroad one should employ due diligence regarding the environment in which one travels. You provide a valuable service.

[@321ringfrodo]

I really enjoyed this video. Like the long format. I think that anywhere that you see societal progress, monetary and structural, you will see pollution being a major problem. The countries and societies involved never remember the need to put the controls in to limit pollution's presence. The western world was no different, we just saw the need for those controls and invented them. The rest of the developing world is beginning to follow suit, but they don't want to pay the costs of being late to the game. I wish that foreign companies who enter these markets would put modern level controls on there plants from the beginning. But we know unless there is an outside incentive, punishment or rewards, that it won't happen. Great video guys

[@ianlogan6632]

321ringfrodo , I would go further and say that many companies shift their more polluting production to these countries because their home countries cripple viability even with cursory legislation. A lot of business has psychopathic characteristics, so it sees no wrong in poisoning anything living as long as they can avoid fines and crow that they comply to the law. If you really want to feel hopeless, check out how Chevron are being protected from liability for their corporate obscenities in South American rain forests.

[@Fendy1]

*SerpentZA made the right call* - we do like the long chats!

[@MilesBellas]

Talking and driving in such traffic......! Wow.

[@Dowlphin]

Lots of practice makes it possible.

[@ArtemisKitty]

Did anyone else catch that custom/home built reverse trike at 17:20? Looks almost like a little dump truck bed on the front there. Pretty cool adaptation there, in my opinion.

[@The_Cultural_Historian_DrRGST]

I liked the 30 min length- more visual

[@hippocelestial4306]

An interesting thing is how different the perspective of development for each one is. Winston, coming from South Africa focuses much on the basic needs such as healthcare and running water, whereas John, an american, is more worried about stability and safety. (I'm commenting this only having watched the first 5 minutes)

[@rufusconnolly8489]

Speaking for myself only, I really like long-form content

[@syntaxerror8955]

And I thought you spoke for me. Darn, how could I be so wrong? :-)

[@rufusconnolly8489]

@@syntaxerror8955 I love that your name is Syntax Error in the context of this XD

[@nikovierimaa]

Gotta love Winston’s mc gloves. They are an exact copy of Finnish manufacturer’s gloves. :) Rukka Argosaurus is the exact model, nowadays manufactured in China.

[@colorspot2640]

Have watched you videos about China and other countries but I haven't seen you talk about Singapore. I believe it's a Chinses country, they speak Mandarin from what I have read. I would love it if you would do some videos on Singapore. Thank you for your videos.

[@Realrad84]

Long formats better. Awesome video guys.

[@Stella-ri5ex]

Winston really likes Vietnam, eh...by now he rides like a pro in Vietnam's crazy traffic streets

[@bamboo9666]

@Papyrus Okagbue they can protest, but not riot. I have seen some protest near Houses of parliament in Hanoi.

[@diegoaespitia]

Lol that Vietnamese smog. classic. What I love about you guys is u talk about the things that need to be said. You talk about the good and the bad. Politics, culture etc. But you do it for Chinese related things and I'm involved with Vietnam. I WISH there were youtubers who talked about the things u guys talk about but for Vietnam. ALL of the Vietnamese expat youtubers just make comedy vids or English vids or travel vlogs or whatever. It's so tiring because they arent showing what Vietnam is really like. PAST the English teaching, and tourism. The life of the people. Not of the foreigner making triple money the locals do for teaching half-constructed English lessons

[@ADVChina]

We hope to cover more Vietnam topics in the future

[@jak1428]

This traffic is insane!

[@dwightsmith4641]

Try Rome. It was worse.

[@Sang-Je]

Love the chaos on the road, simply marvelous. Great discussion.

[@floydnelson92]

"What kind of traffic laws, enforcement, and driving culture is this?", I wonder

[@dwightsmith4641]

Top Gear went all the way through Vietnam on scooters. Jeremy Dennis and the Hamster

[@philipsamuelsen7904]

Guys, This sh!t is seriously valuable. Long format is great.

[@knes167]

4:31 "I'm specifically going to adress China in this-" China: Wait, that's illegal >:(

[@jesuschristsuperczar1224]

Found Winston’s channel a while back. Recently started watching ADV. I wanna see the out takes of the times when you guys get on each other’s nerves.

[@perro4996]

Crazy traffic. Impressive to be able to keep a lecture when scooters are driving in the wrong land. Stay awsome.

[@davidjolley2468]

I was surprised at how many non cab-over American trucks there were. I enjoyed the format... seeing Hanoi and listening to your experiences in the PRC.

[@EliasVansteenkiste]

Agreeing with the long format hype in the comments.

[@dubiousprime2021]

love the talk today. as a midwestern guy, that traffic would give me a heart attack.

[@Real_Greystone]

Yes, please keep up the long form episodes - Especially on the motorcycle

[@TheLatinMass]

George Orwell's book "1984" is what your examples reminded me of. I did like the longer format. Nicely done.

[@lieneux200]

This sounds like the book 1984

[@SmartDumbNerdyCool]

Covid-1984

[@Matt-wc2mf]

Got to witness the visa fun first hand (happened to someone on my flight, not me). Was flying home from Xi'an via Beijing. Flight out of Xi'an was delayed because of both technical and weather delays. We ended up finally taking off from Xi'an right as my flight from Beijing back to the states was taking off as well. Also on the flight were a few folks trying to catch a flight to Toronto. Some were folks in a tour group, and another was a girl who was on the return trip from hell (She'll be the focus of this story). She was trying to get from Melbourne to Toronto, but missed her initial flight because she mixed up the travel date (changing time zones over the date line really messes with itineraries. I almost did the same thing once). So the cheapest return flight they could give her (she was on a starving student budget) routed her from Melbourne to Bangkok to Xi'an to Beijing to Toronto (don't ask me how that's cheaper). She had already spent the night in the Xi'an airport, and now had to spend the night in Beijing with us other folks who were stranded. She was very good natured about the whole thing, and kept saying she didn't mind the mess, and that she was happy that she got to make friends with all of us on our unplanned night in Beijing. The next morning arrived, and the group made it's way back to the airport. The Toronto flight was before mine, so they all went through check-in, passport control, security, etc ahead of me. Time finally came for me to get checked in and made my way to passport control. As I approached passport control, who else do I see standing there but our once happy traveling friend (now almost in tears). When she entered China in Xi'an, they had only given her a 24 hour visa because she expected to have been out of the country by the next morning. But because of the weather delay and missing the connecting flight, she'd overstayed the visa. The airline gave us no documentation of the delay, so the Chinese border patrol was threatening to fine her $100 (which she didn't have), and were holding her while they figured it all out (and gave no indication when they'd let her go). I offered to hang out while they figured it out, but she waved me along saying she was just waiting for them to contact the airline to get proof of the delay. I went through passport control and met up with the rest of the group by their gate. We nervously waited for the return of our new friend. She finally came walking up to the gate right as they had announced boarding, looking very relieved that she didn't have to pay the $100 fine and wouldn't have to spend another night in Beijing.