Is Christianity Socialism?

[@paulschryba4029]

I agree with you that Christianity isn't "socialism*→ as an economic/political philosophy. However, most intentional Christian communities (such as the Bruderhof and Benedictine monastic communities) are *socialist* as were the early Christian communities in Acts 2 & 4 which you allude to. While given items for personal use, all material wealth is owned by the community, not the individuals. You are assigned work for which you don't receive differentiated pay according to the length of time, the type of work, the quality and amount of production.That contradicts your comment about people needing to have material incentives to work. Many Christian communities are "socialist": communal ownership of material property→individuals sharing gifts and talents (work) according to capacity→receiving according to need.

[@Bruderhof]

Thank you Paul!

[@generalgrievousxxx]

As were many of the cults that burnt down villages, abolished marriages + communal raising of children and so on. Socialist because of Plato. That's plato's influence.

[@igloozoo3771]

Most church examples would be Voluntary Community. Government Socialism is never voluntary.

[@samuelplacensia9979]

Jesus Christ gave his life and his blood for the entire world. Christianity never takes for itself. Because our God never took for himself. Jesus never said to put your trust in Rome. Socialism and communism serve their own selfish narcissistic purposes. Socialism and communism break the 10th commandment.

[@ira233]

Yup and the first socialists (although they weren't called that at the time) were christian.

[@dariusrad8058]

Well, "is Christianity socialism?" better be, "is Christianity capitalism?" better not. The whole concept of socialism is based on human solidarity, economy is just one of the many means to realize it, there is no human solidarity without "love and compassion" which I do assume is the foundation of all the teachings of the Christianity - as it is said - and of course as Mr. Jesus prophetic call.

[@comecombat5060]

Unless you're in an argument with yourself, you would have to: Firstly, clarify in what sense socialism is based on solidarity (define, clearly, what you mean by "solidarity"). Secondly: defend the claim that Socialism is based on solidarity.

[@ericrobertbradley6591]

@@comecombat5060 solidarity would be keeping alive, to me at least

[@Ralfrobot]

These readings you read out are the reason why I feel god wants me in community

[@raqueljacobs1542]

I think that you are more correct than not, but discounting the contributions of political socialism is not advisable. The history of political socialism isn’t fully fleshed out yet, and not all is as it seems. If I were to really delineate my beliefs, I would say that I am a Christian socialist who heavily borrows from the ideals of Marx. Jesus taught us that it was exploitative, Marx explained why it was exploitative

[@Bruderhof]

Thanks Raquel - Rich

[@Sidian]

I don't see how it's so different from communism. You literally live in communes. What is a state other than representative leadership? And you have that with your elders etc. The difference is as you say, that violent force is replaced by love. But if society at large were to be changed to the way Jesus envisioned, there would of course be lots of people who wouldn't go along with it, so you'd have to either abandon the plan and stick to small-scale communes as you have done, or get violent and force people to go along with it (the usual approach). Nonetheless, the question wasn't 'Is Christianity the same as socialist nation states in the past?' it's 'is Christianity socialism?' and if you believe what Jesus said about sharing everything etc, then I see it as that.

[@godislove8740]

I think your answer is in the personal rather than the political. A good question would be why/how have Rich and Maureen retained their clothes? . There's an obvious pragmatism to life too that dogmatism of all kinds overlooks. Dogmatism is related to lack of relationship not proof of.

[@ericrobertbradley6591]

It is so lazy to say socialism was too violent, christianity was too violent

[@gregbourn6915]

Good stuff you two. Thanks.

[@wisevirgin3405]

They have started with a flawed premise. The Bible is very clear [Mat 13] the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" consists of BOTH saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God and destined to eternal life and MANY unsaved "tares/goats" sown by Satan and (as "children of Satan") are destined to eternal torment. ----------- So, when you say "Christians" you are CONFLATING two groups (the wheat and tares) while the True Christian is only the "wheat" and is part of the "Body of Christ"... unsaved "tares" are excluded. ----------- You cannot offer an "informed opinion" when you do not even DEFINE the terms you are using. ------------- For example: The Bible NEVER shows any example of, or makes any suggestion that, the "church" (brothers/brethren/sheep/saints) should collect resources from the "church members" and give that to people who REJECT Jesus and the Gospel. Pure ignorance there. --------------- Why in the world would you ever: (1) Quote MEN instead of Scripture? (2) Not distinguish between the "poor" in the church and the "poor" that REJECT Christ and the Gospel? --------------- As I said before, you CONFLATE the "wheat and tares". Likewise, you CONFLATE the charity of the "church" with giving resources to those following Satan or false gods. ---------------- Not to mention you quote MEN instead of Scripture -------------------

[@gregbourn6915]

In this video you mentioned that the previous video was entitled “Was Jesus a Socialist”. I cannot seem to find it? Thanks.

[@Bruderhof]

Hi Greg - This video was the previous/first in the series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKKwZXmFjNmHisU

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@Bruderhof ... You have started with a flawed premise. The Bible is very clear [Mat 13] the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" consists of BOTH saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God and destined to eternal life and MANY unsaved "tares/goats" sown by Satan and (as "children of Satan") are destined to eternal torment. ----------- So, when you say "Christians" you are CONFLATING two groups (the wheat and tares) while the True Christian is only the "wheat" and is part of the "Body of Christ"... unsaved "tares" are excluded. ----------- You cannot offer an "informed opinion" when you do not even DEFINE the terms you are using. ------------- For example: The Bible NEVER shows any example of, or makes any suggestion that, the "church" (brothers/brethren/sheep/saints) should collect resources from the "church members" and give that to people who REJECT Jesus and the Gospel. Pure ignorance there. ---------------

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@Bruderhof ..... Why in the world would you ever: (1) Quote MEN instead of Scripture? (2) Not distinguish between the "poor" in the church and the "poor" that REJECT Christ and the Gospel? --------------- As I said before, you CONFLATE the "wheat and tares". Likewise, you CONFLATE the charity of the "church" with giving resources to those following Satan or false gods. ---------------- Not to mention you quote MEN instead of Scripture You need to CHANGE these problems in "your next video". -------------------

[@teresasmith9333]

Wise Virgin I agree with you.......why in the world would you quote men instead of the Bible?

[@whitestains1656]

@@wisevirgin3405 and let's not forget, let them gleen the fields, so as to keep dignity,

[@moneymaking11]

Watching this on Christmas Day 2020. Amen.

[@Bruderhof]

Wonderful!

[@themaniac2448]

survival is already a enough incentive for someone in socialism

[@DonaldPleasance1]

As with most critics of socialism, you misuse the term. Your statement that “you can’t force people to share” is bizarre. Socialism isn’t “sharing” in that you’re giving what is rightfully yours for the use of others. Socialism is more akin to what you yourself said you liked when it was said by a church father. No one has any more claim to land and resources than anyone else. They should be owned and operated in common for everyone’s benefit.

[@sarah_fides]

"socialism's legacy is violence" - Christians, apparently 😂😂

[@staceyjensen4071]

Thank YOU!! Many Blessings and again Thank you! 🙏💖

[@kevinmccauley3877]

too many "christian groups "around saying they have the keys to the Kingdom. Like burger joints they all have their own special sauce to flavor their version of the Good news.

[@pusherw2861]

That’s a very nice way putting it, love your video s

[@Ralfrobot]

We are supposed to see God in others , and must treat them likewise

[@georgeblack2749]

Jesus never asked his followers to promote a political agenda? Yeah I’m just gonna stop right here.😅

[@Ralfrobot]

Jesus asked us to look at our self in relationship with god , then - relate to the world ... with it .... , yet it’s not about self but God .... whereas socialism is about people - ?

[@Demonoicgamer666]

Socialism doesn’t force you into giving, that would be communism. Socialism is about the people not the government.

[@Ralfrobot]

Very good discussion

[@margaretlarriva4573]

If that is true why did Jesus say my kingdom is not of this world He never pushed getting into the world, when they came to make Jesus a king he left. He never got into the political thing so why do you?

[@teresasmith9333]

Perfect.......very good question.....

[@kevinmccauley3877]

any ism will work if you Love God and your neighbor as yourself

[@cynthiaconrad6145]

I adore you guys. Such wisdom.

[@wisevirgin3405]

They have started with a flawed premise. The Bible is very clear [Mat 13] the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" consists of BOTH saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God and destined to eternal life and MANY unsaved "tares/goats" sown by Satan and (as "children of Satan") are destined to eternal torment. ----------- So, when you say "Christians" you are CONFLATING two groups (the wheat and tares) while the True Christian is only the "wheat" and is part of the "Body of Christ"... unsaved "tares" are excluded. ----------- You cannot offer an "informed opinion" when you do not even DEFINE the terms you are using. ------------- For example: The Bible NEVER shows any example of, or makes any suggestion that, the "church" (brothers/brethren/sheep/saints) should collect resources from the "church members" and give that to people who REJECT Jesus and the Gospel. Pure ignorance there. --------------- Why in the world would you ever: (1) Quote MEN instead of Scripture? (2) Not distinguish between the "poor" in the church and the "poor" that REJECT Christ and the Gospel? --------------- As I said before, you CONFLATE the "wheat and tares". Likewise, you CONFLATE the charity of the "church" with giving resources to those following Satan or false gods. ---------------- Not to mention you quote MEN instead of Scripture -------------------

[@scottbaldridge6148]

@@wisevirgin3405 Paul the apostle admonishes christians to do " good to all men" OK works of Charity y Grace! There are deeper issues of Justice in the mind of God in Torah; To pay a far living wage! As well, The many warnings about pursing wealth,and selfish ambition!! These are for christians,but, these are God's commands and thoughts of what is true! I don't have all the answers ,but, We live in a time where the rich are becoming extremely rich,and wages remain stagnant! Yes we have cell phones, but people are paying up to 75% of income for housing! The ideas in "Christian Distributism" seem biblically sound! The Bruderhof ideas also sound and produce good fruit!

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@scottbaldridge6148 ... child, you need to DISCERN what it means to "do good" or to "love" all men. It means to wish the BEST for them = their repentance. Deal with the COMMAND of Christ: -------------- Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. ------------- The BASIS for the Gospel is that all men are going to eternal hell UNLESS they repent and become saved. If you do not understand the "milk" of the Gospel how can you understand the "meat" of the Gospel? You cannot. ------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ----------------

[@scottbaldridge6148]

@@wisevirgin3405 Maybe I can learn by Gods spirit! The gospel of christ is center, but, read the context of what Paul was saying in do good! Actually read and pray about the passage! What about James 2:4? Thanks! I will check out your web page and read it! Thanks!

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@scottbaldridge6148 ..... child, the Bible is very clear that some men were NEVER MEANT to "perceive" the Truth or "understand" the Truth or be "converted" to the Truth or EVER have "their sins forgiven". Is this "news" to you? ----------- Mar 4:10-12 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. --------------- So please tell me now... how does it "feel" to know that JESUS taught that some men were NEVER MEANT to be "converted" or have "their sins forgiven"? ------------------ www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------

[@swide2750]

i wouldnt want anything to do with it

[@margaretlarriva4573]

So at your communitys you are all socialist??? Is that where you stand???

[@davidromero2705]

What about the parable of the talents? Does not seem to be that the Lord is proposing equality of outcome. Im sure your aware of several other parables.

[@Ralfrobot]

I read all these doctors - I do see - we have yo live together in membership of Christ body not human thinking

[@davidromero2705]

Socialism waa developed far after Christ was on earth, by a wealthy atheist rich kid endowed with previledge. The day of judgement, good job my faithful servant or away from me, I never knew you. Not comrade, not anything else.

[@juangabriellopez4475]

No offense i do not like capitalism sure sometimes but capitalism is kind of it corrupt socialism and communism is kind of ok if you see the history of the great leap forward or cold war those are just mistakes it was not a fault

[@igloozoo3771]

That would be called corporatism or crony capitalism. Free market Capitalism should ideally lower the cost of goods, school tuition, healthcare, housing. We are literally debating on KZbin all because of Capitalism.

[@juangabriellopez4475]

@@igloozoo3771 exactly no ideology is perfect or good, it may has benefits and advantages but it has detriments and disadvantages

[@igloozoo3771]

@@juangabriellopez4475 Socialism from political perspective is forced. Most churches even cults like Scientology is voluntary donations and tithing. Christian Socialism is an awkward term. Would Christian Socialists advocated involuntary mandatory Tithing in their church communities?

[@juangabriellopez4475]

@@igloozoo3771 socialism from the political perceptive is not always forced and besides US is capitalist Country, right, they want arabic countries's oil because they are wanting more resources from other countries, when their national security is up the line,and what's the big deal that christian Socialist advocate involuntary mandatory tithing in their church communities, not every christian socialists haven't done this involuntary mandatory tithing. And besides they are socialist but they are still christians they understand that they don't want to tithing all the time when they low money when the person has more money they can tithing,besides are White Americans originally from the united states of america no it was the natives.

[@britishmgtow7251]

No

[@godislove8740]

Mgtow is lonerville. Why?WHO?

[@britishmgtow7251]

@@godislove8740 I like living in lonerville, better than Delusion City But its good you have an opinion on MGTOW, well done you x Christianity is not socialism Christianity saves, Socialism kills

[@godislove8740]

@@britishmgtow7251 so you promote Christianity over mgtow?

[@britishmgtow7251]

@@godislove8740 I don't see them connected, ranked or mutually exclusive I am MGTOW and Christian

[@godislove8740]

@@britishmgtow7251 ok. I was confused by your name which I read as holy me mgtow. Personally mgtow in this context (Christian) just seems an offshoot. Like quarantine for Yeshua was mgtow.....i get it but ....I don't think it's Yeshuaisticism. I mainly asked cos you seemed monosyllabic too. I'm interested in what that may mean for people. I'll go back to my book now.