Is Elon Musk a Nazi? - The Psychology of Elon Musk (Chap 17 - Nazi Salute)

[@sedmidivka]

this is so validating. I'm sick of reading the denials. it's not just the salute, it's what he's saying, tweeting and also he didn't apologise or explained this. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE. HE MEANT TO DO IT. you covered everything, especially THE RAGE, watching it makes me so uncomfortable because of that extreme rage. terrifying. he does it with more rage than Hitler. no joke

[@nightfrost1891]

yeah, if it was a 'mistake' he would have said sorry and he didn't mean it that way etc. etc. but he's doubling down on 'stupid dems/libs' my advice to everyone in this country is to stop normalizing these things because the more it's normalized the more acceptable it will be and then you move into radical territory exactly what hitler did, it didn't start of extreme.. it was slowly over time normalized until people couldn't even realize how radical they have gotten... how inhuman and lacking of any empathy

[@kristine4949]

He calls himself a troll. Says he’s a troll at heart. He did this on purpose AND he’s feasting off the controversy

[@raquelmedina6036]

@@kristine4949it’s all part of the plausible deniability that the far right is using to get their ideas and symbols to become more mainstream. It’s nasty stuff and it really doesn’t help when moderate conservatives continue to defend those actions.

[@99bambieyes]

exactly. its a dogwhistle. he spoke in germany recently and said their culture has been diluted by multiculturalism. its very obvious what he is

[@distracted5767]

​@kristine4949 he's not 7 years old on roblox. He's a grown man in power doing seig Heil in front of a cheering crowd. Whiles he supports the far right in Germany. And his buddy Trump who says they won't help protect their ally if putin attacks us. I question if America are still our allies , because it feels like we're being betrayed and thrown to the wolves as a sacrificial lamb. And it's supposed to be funny? Whiles we have to buy bags to shit in because of a potential WW3??? They made their intentions clear.

[@bdasil]

Really glad this isn't a members-only episode!

[@Madeligned]

Preach!

[@laurenhbauler]

Yes! This!

[@k8tebird]

I’m a member and I agree. Thank you!!

[@DD-jm5ug]

Agree 🎉

[@klaythoring1326]

I genuinely thought this was going to be a 3 second video of you just saying yes, but a longer video saying yes is good too.

[@Kayleyjustine]

10/10 comment

[@miola2083]

🤣 10 min max.

[@troyshen5715]

Scanned the comments for this sentiment 😅 But I'm glad whenever someone expands on the ideas of fascism in characterizing someone as a Nazi as they have here. The term does get thrown around a lot often in jest and it seems a bit neutered in our current political context.

[@Gearsturfs]

It’s good to have some places on the internet that aren’t white people virtue signaling with reductive thought pieces This is a detailed break down and analysis, not a virtue signal That comes to the same correct conclusion

[@AlyVee33]

💯💯💯

[@Docchop1000]

He JUST spoke at an AFD (Alternative fur Deustchland) rally. It's definitely a Nazi salute. It is absolutely deliberate and intentional.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

you're spreading propaganda. To say its definitely something is pure BS.

[@theshounfiles7898]

@@Docchop1000 Jew here. Anyone throwing that word Nazi around and calling people Nazis. Go to hell ! You don't even know what a real Nazi is obviously....

[@theshounfiles7898]

@@Docchop1000 virtue signaling

[@musicismagic3001]

He is just sickening.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

@ and you're a bot.

[@SamD.6445]

oh boy, I appreciate so much that you addressed this, with NO ambiguity.

[@esteph4490]

Me too! I see a lot of people are having a difficult time accepting what has happened in the comments.

[@g33xzi11a]

Yeah. It’s sad seeing the mainstream press has already started to engage in anticipatory consent to the fascists. It’s making me pessimistic especially if the oligarchy gets even more serious about clamping down on meaningful discourse. Even talking about this topic has been difficult because of things like auto moderation that remove comments simply because they contain certain words.

[@ixinor]

@@g33xzi11a Mike Pondsmiths cyberpunk 2077 Oligarchy taking control of governments.

[@KristyStevens-f3r]

The guttural umph is what seals the deal for me. I cant believe he ever fascinated me

[@Tess78uk]

Narcissists can often be very charismatic. If someone seems to be ‘fascinating’, always a good idea to question why.

[@JA-gz6cj]

​@@Tess78ukElon is charismatic? Lol

[@naomiadam6354]

If I may ask, what was the turning point for you?

[@Tess78uk]

@ I don’t think so, I think he comes over as an OBVIOUSLY pompous narcissist. But many of his fans do seem to think he is charismatic. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Tess78uk]

@@naomiadam6354 I’ve always disliked him, tbh. I studied politics and economics so I’ve always been aware he talks a lot of **** about his supposed Libertarian values and passion for ‘free speech’. His actions don’t match his supposed values. So that already told me he is manipulative and has no problem with dishonesty. More recently though, I think a picture of someone Narcissistic, and with a sadistic streak, is emerging. He seems to enjoy publicly ‘trolling’ groups of people, and individuals. For example, he recently humiliated a well-known Rightwing party leader in the U.K., Nigel Farrage, by claiming he was a poor leader for his party. I am not a fan of Farrage, but I was struck by the impression that Musk may get a sadistic kick out of humiliating others on the political stage in this way. I think he gets a kick out of his personal attacks on people; he seems to enjoy both flaunting that he *can* do and say these things that no one else would get away with because of POWER. And humiliating someone adds another layer of enjoyment for him. Maybe that could stretch to humiliating entire groups of people, or nations. Gut feeling, I think he’s very low-empathy, extremely grandiose and somewhat sadistic. I’m not remotely surprised he’s also apparently racist.

[@saiyamoru]

If you want to understand Elon, three facts help. 1) His father named him after the supreme leader of Mars in the fictional book written by Nazi scientist Werner von Braun. 2) he has made 1) the main source of his personality for his entire life, including hero worship of von Braun and all that entails. 3) 4chan is the secondary source of his personality.

[@tk70707]

Per NASA website: Dr. Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) was one of the most important rocket developers and champions of space exploration in the twentieth century.

[@saiyamoru]

@@tk70707 My hometown had a civic center named after him. Trust me, I know the history.

[@GleamingHotShot]

Musk is deeply insecure. All of this is to make himself look good to the people who like him, which aren’t acts of LOVE. Remember people aren’t good or bad, we are either acting/doing out of love or hate Musk wants attention for the wrong reasons He loves money and whiteness and attention and power

[@TheBreechie]

4chan 😂😂😂😂

[@ohisee9173]

​@@tk70707hey, do you know how the word "and" works? You should since you used it in your comment, but I'll give you a refresher. "And" is inclusive of both the previous and next statements. As used in your comment, he was both a rocket developer AND a champion of space exploration, yes? Similarly, he was both an aerospace engineer AND a member of the Nazi party. Do you understand?

[@dredubz5825]

Thank you so much for this! As someone who lives in Europe, and knows the history very well, I’ve been both shocked and appalled by many Americans denial of what we all clearly saw. The mental gymnastics to try and justify this very evil gesture is shocking to say the least. We take this very seriously in Europe, and if he had have done it here, he would’ve been arrested.

[@tomcruisesmiddlefronttooth9221]

As an American, I’ve been trying to warn family and friends since before the election. I was told I was fear mongering. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@rhoda3704]

Not interested in a two hour movie today, but I’m here for this two hour analysis. Very important conversations, God help us.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks for watching. I honestly tried to keep it concise, but... that's not our skill set. :)

[@jamiejohnson7199]

Thank the lord for this take. I’ve been losing my mind dealing with family members who are denying reality

[@Madeligned]

RIGHT!!

[@Nina__Online]

@@Madeligned Hopefully this video will convince the ADL.

[@Yattayatta]

So when the left PM in France, Macron does the exact same gesture, what do you guys say then? It doesn't count on the left? Engage your double think and let me know!

[@NKA23]

@@Yattayatta Dude, Macron did NOT make the exact same gesture. Also Macron is NOT on the left. Seriously, get some real education and stop discussing things you don't have any clue about, until you got some actual understanding of things.

[@Yattayatta]

@@NKA23 Macron is center left, why do you think Marine Le Pen is considered right? But I can see you are a lefist, because everything right of Stalin is "right wing" right? Lastly, find me a clip of Hitler putting his open hand on his chest before raising his arm (which should stay raised by the way) to prove this is a Nazi salute. Because that is not how the Nazis did it. Or are you saying Hitler didn't know the Nazi salute? It's only now been perfected?

[@melissachinnici]

I think blaming it on his autism or ketamine use is not a good enough excuse for his behavior anymore. It wouldn't shock me if he did it as a dare or something to impress his 4 chan buddies, thinking it would be funny because he really does have the mentality of a teenage boy. As bad as I felt for him in the deep dive highlighting his severe bullying, he really should grow the hell up. If MAGA people are even put off by his antics, that speaks volumes. But I think as long as his loyalists continue to enable his trolling behavior, I doubt he will change. I agree his lack of insight will only contribute further to his inevitable downfall.

[@talesofmargaritas]

He spoke at an AfD rally. That's all you need to know...

[@melissachinnici]

@talesofmargaritas oh damn. Didn't know about that one. So cringe

[@TheTunisian1]

There is absolutely no proof that he has autism. His biographer denied it. He simply self-diagnosed to cover up his dorky behavior.

[@I_am_not_your_sister]

I'm autistic, it's extremely hurtful for people to bring autism up as a reason for this. Our community has been extremely vocal that that is absolute horse cr@p, it's nothing to do with autism.

[@melissachinnici]

@@I_am_not_your_sister agreed

[@deanna4851]

His line right after his salutes “my heart goes out to you” appears planned to cover expected reaction.

[@Hdc_thats_me]

Yes! I thought the same thing! He planned that crap! 😡

[@kosmo362]

Absolutely, he and his supporters are trying to gaslight the rest of us. They know the truth but are pretending not to.

[@DuraheLL]

Get a life scrub

[@joannapaw4040]

Then he says about the future of civilization that is quite revealing. We know what ideology uses terms like that

[@harperwiccan475]

ESPECIALLY when there has been actual footage of Elon at his Tesla stage events showing clear as day that he knows how to properly hold up both his hands to make the heart shape with his fingers and passing it to his customers and admirers out in the audience. Why all of a sudden a change up in his previous hand motions when he already knew how to show loving compassion to his fans with the previous usage of the fingered heart shape using his hands? Why didn't he give this recent salute at the previous events he's ever done? There's no denying that Elon knows EXACTLY what he is doing. There was real FULL blown intention with how he did the salute a little over a week ago. It's absurd to think this can be let go.

[@rini6]

Short answer.. “yes.” Long answer…”yeeeessss.”

[@DuraheLL]

Short answer "ur hella dumb" Long answer "you're delusional and a jealous leftist extremist that trivialise real nazis by spamming it on anything you don't like or understand"

[@ssylvin]

Yess, Humberto! I loved that initial breakdown. Because there are people who genuinely don’t understand why this matters. Which blows my mind, considering how much wealth, power and influence this guy has

[@Hdc_thats_me]

The middle finger analogy was *chefs kiss* great example!

[@justmarshdwellin]

I yelled “YES, THANK YOU!” out loud alone in my room when Berto laid down the bottom line within the first minute. It’s a relief to see it broken down so concisely and with no emotion involved, because nobody can argue with that explanation of why YES, this matters.

[@alexandraford3020]

Thank you, My mother was a child in Nazi occupied Denmark. I’m in disbelief that we have come full circle.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

@@alexandraford3020 the Fourth Turning.

[@mama-llama4527]

Thank you for not gaslighting us

[@jay-el-bee]

Agreed.

[@PlatonsArm]

Elon Musk is named after a Mars colonist character ”The Elon” in a sci-fi novel ”The Mars Project” written by famous Nazi and rocket engineer Wernher von Braun, the man behind the V2 rocket. Musk’s own maternal grandfather was an active Hitler supporter who moved to South Africa because he believed in Apartheid. He was a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer. He founded Technocracy Inc, an anti-democracy movement. Elon’s official title at Tesla isn’t CEO but ”Techno King”. Yes, Elon Musk was raised a Nazi and has always been a Nazi. He bought Tesla to profit from government subsidies. He never cared about the environment, and now he’s saying environmental protections have gone too far despite being nowhere near sufficient.

[@Nina__Online]

Did your parents, relatives or friends own Hitler's "people's car?" Contemporarily known as Volkswagen? My psychiatrist has a Volkswagen. She, like me, is on the left.

[@HellvineTheEternal]

Fascinating 🧐

[@RM-ti8nf]

I'd say he's proud of that connection in his family

[@harperwiccan475]

It's very unfortunate how ALL OF THIS information isn't in school curriculums lol We can't even get the American populace to agree that the Holocaust actually happened. Absolutely pathetic.

[@Brittany25-j6f]

That is very interesting!

[@dollyhood6549]

I remember reading WWII history stuff & thinking “how did ppl stand around & let this happen?”

[@rini6]

No one should have this much power at all. And they definitely shouldn’t have this much power without being elected.

[@nooshka]

Agreed. Neither Elon nor someone like Bill gates!

[@D2Mephisto]

humberto being SUPER academic this episode. love it! nice to see you fellas together. a really great duo

[@andedom]

Same here. Both the deep dive on neo nazis and the deep dive on Elon were super engaging. So I’m really excited to hear this follow up

[@rachel-a-m-s]

The glasses are the cherry on top

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

@@rachel-a-m-s Someone noticed! He was nervous about wearing his glasses. He forgot to put his contacts in before coming over.

[@rachel-a-m-s]

@PsychologyInSeattle Aww! Tell him he looks great in glasses! Gives mature intelligent vibes

[@some-g1rl]

omg, thank you!!!! when I said the gesture seemed rehearsed, people were calling me crazy. I feel so redeemed right now!

[@skitsnack1]

Thats what echo-chambers do

[@some-g1rl]

@skitsnack1 at least I'm not in the echo-chamber that has all the nazis

[@SamD.6445]

Yeah, I hadn't seen "rehearsed' as an aspect of this till I watched this, but it's believable now I see it.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Hard to know, but it looked that way IMHO.

[@susanneguckenberger2687]

Even as an apolitical German I have to admit that what`s going on concerning the shift to the right worldwide is unbearable. It was one of the reasons I emigrated from Germany 25 years ago, the mindset in Europe indicated that outcome already and it`s frightening. It`s not surprising to me Musk nowadays openly shows his ideology, I had this feeling already a long time ago. A small uplifting fact is that in Germany the biggest car dealers are not ordering Tesla cars anymore, they are talking about the "Cyberflop" and some activists projected on the entire front of the Tesla factory (which is very controversial) near Berlin Musks salute with "Heil" (hail) written before his salute picture. Finally some people seem to wake up. To the question why Musk saluted I have the impression it came from a place of a kid, pushing a doorbell: I dared it! I did the big forbidden thing! Sadly it is not only Musk and it`s becoming a scary world on so many levels, but in the end this horror scenario on top is giving me nightmares.

[@Kieslowski1]

Yes too all of it. Germna here too. And yes he DID look like a kid ringing the doorbell. He looked like he's soaking in attention and validation and he wants to be cool or edgy. And he seemingly supports certain aspects of Naziism otherwise he would clearly publically distance himself. Or he is desperate enough for attention that he also soaks in being associated with Naziism as long as he feels attention is on him. It's scary cuz he seems to be the richest child in the world.

[@sauldc1829]

⁠@@Kieslowski1he is a real nazi with the rhetoric he propagating at AFD rallies.. the funny thing is that Germany Goverment is fining and going after the protesters who projected the image of musk

[@8thhousethings]

It's kinda like how white bed sheets aren't inherently an issue until they actually are. Same goes for outstretched arm gestures.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

It took me a second...

[@Ruud_Brouwer]

He's either a nazi, or pretending to br a nazi, and I wonder what the difference is between those 2 options

[@liul]

None . Any non-nazi person would hate to be seen as one

[@ChristopherHuhmann]

Sit at a table with three nazis, that table now has 4 nazis.

[@Yattayatta]

Like last year when he visited Auschwitz and the right had this exactly discussion, except saying "Elon is bought by the jews!" Oh wait

[@tmtb80]

​@@liulwell...john cleese might be an exception.😊

[@mapsdot9223]

@@Ruud_Brouwer the difference is you made up a false dichotomy. So you're either ignorant or delusional. See how that works.

[@danielkarmy4893]

Just as one autistic person, on the topic of Elon Musk being autistic by his own reckoning - I really don't think we should put up with being associated with Elon Musk any longer. We can't let him drag our community through the mud, by allowing the general public to associate us with him, any more. He is a psychopath. We autists tend to be completely dedicated to the truth, even at our own expense - this individual is the polar opposite; he is clever, he is conniving, he is scheming, he knows exactly what he is doing. I know this is doing to him what we have had done to us for millennia, but...he isn't one of us.

[@I_am_not_your_sister]

I'm autistic and I agree 100%

[@mbt9700]

As an autistic, I also find it disturbing and telling that he is not, and is not seeking, a diagnosis. He has the resources to do so, yet does not. Why is that? Is it maybe because he doesnt want it confirmed that he is not autistic, which seems to add a sort of "savant" mystique to his persona? I believe he is using our community.

[@Sika6061]

@@mbt9700💯 I've always felt that he's called himself autistic to fit in with the tech crowd, but his real problem is he's a narcissist. I guess he could be both, but the megalomania he exhibits along with the narcissistic characteristics of his personality is why he acts the way he acts. It's not about autism. It's a lack of empathy and deep seated insecurity. That's why he and Trump get along so well. Peas in a pod. It's horrifying.

[@ineffablemars]

Thank you for calling it what it was. I’m so tired of seeing headlines saying “Elon musk made a gesture that APPEARED…”

[@charitydixon7828]

When you're "throwing your heart to the crowd", I would think your hand would at least be opened with your fingers splayed a little bit

[@aecreative1994]

Right! Or flipped upside down!!!! Like, “You! You guys!” Nobody does it palm-down!!!!

[@rivercah]

Not only that, but he knows the difference. He has thrown his heart to the crowd before. In a proper way and not a sieg heil way.

[@koopa7789]

@@rivercah Yep!!

[@heathersalveson2480]

We do know he is autistic right?

[@AishaKasmir]

@@aecreative1994Palm up to express, "here's my heart; i'm giving it to you." vs "I just dropped my heart on the floor."

[@bengallup9321]

3:25 all true, but another important aspect of Nazism and fascism, broadly speaking, is the defence of oligarchic capitalists and the targetting of the labor movement / political left. All of which Musk is also on board with.

[@nycmermaid3158]

Musk does his “gesture” BEHIND THE SEAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! As if the Seal of the Presidency endorses the “gesture”. This too is utterly appalling!!! And the fierceness and determination displayed on his face is completely incongruent with a gesture expressing love. If this was not his intent, and not completely supported by our current President, there would have been Numerous apologies made. But we hear crickets…

[@joanbaczek2575]

Yup reinforced the negative sentiment most countries have about the USA

[@joanbaczek2575]

Why did trump allow that and not cut ties with Elon immediately

[@KaonashiSen]

Thank you dr Honda for speaking out !!!!

[@countryrat6t6]

Needed something like this more than usual. Just got off the phone with one of my parents who told me that what Elon did was NOT a Nazi salute, he was greeting the crowd and he was gesturing and waving. We went back and forth to the point where they hung up on me (I wasn't mean or nasty at all).

[@hannahshamilton]

My husband just had a similar interaction with his grandmother yesterday. She saw a post we'd both shared on Instagram of a historical rundown of Hitler (hinting how shockingly similar it is to what we're seeing now) and decided to text him a collage of Obama, Harris, Hillary Clinton, etc "doing the salute." He tried to gently explain the differences in both the gestures and the context in which they were used, even sent her an article that shows the clips from each moment, and she just stopped texting back after that. 😒 If they admit they're wrong, they have to face the fact that this is the type of administration they wilfully voted into office.

[@HellvineTheEternal]

@@hannahshamilton Denial is the most predictable human response.

[@Yattayatta]

Give me your double think on what it means when French PM Emanuel Macron did the exact same salute in the exact same way?

[@christinepedersen5511]

Your parents are blind. That was no greeting.

[@Joliefleur252]

@@Yattayattamacron is also a fasciste. From 🇫🇷

[@katewardd6081]

The sigh of relief hearing from a sane person that this is reality. I mean then the existential dread kicks in but it was a second of phew I haven’t completely lost it yet, but omg why is this life.

[@JayBeckah]

YES 😢 ❤

[@laurenhbauler]

Thank you so much for making this available for everyone to watch. One thing that I have heard is that he chose the symbol X for a very pertinent reason and that it is missing for 90° angles for a very specific reason to hide his antisemitism and so that the X doesn’t outright look exactly like a certain hate symbol I won’t mention here.

[@ElfInTheFlowers]

This might be one of your most important videos to date. It was also a hard watch that I did in about 4 segments throughout the day. I am saturated by the barrage of terrible news and terrifying events throughout the US. These are tough conversations but I am glad that you are pointing out something that seems super obvious, but isn't always. Please stay safe. I am scared about what the next few years entail regarding our freedoms of expression and just being in a "free" country.

[@DuraheLL]

Omg get a life

[@Sproeikoei]

Humberto looking twice as learned here, and he's already so proficient at so many professions

[@mapsdot9223]

@@Sproeikoei ummm... I don't know what video you watched. He literally said Elon is grandiose because he was at a grand event. Conflation to the point of delusion is psychopathy, not epistemology

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

@@mapsdot9223 You're free to disagree and I welcome all points of view, but that's not what I remember him saying.

[@mapsdot9223]

@@PsychologyInSeattle I took the transcript of Humberto defining Nazism and fed it to AI. I have to say it's rather hilarious that he includes Classical music as component of what a Nazi is. A definition so broad as to include George Washington probably isn't going to be very effective. AI Response: Let me analyze Elon Musk's public statements and actions against the operational definition provided: Nationalist Ideology Does not fit - Musk operates transnationally and frequently criticizes national governments Has moved between countries (South Africa, Canada, US) Promotes global rather than nationalist solutions His companies operate internationally with global missions White/European Racial Supremacy (specifically Central/Western European) Does not fit - Has not promoted racial hierarchies His critiques tend to focus on ideological/political differences rather than racial ones Companies operate globally with diverse workforces Does not promote European cultural or racial dominance Cultural Supremacy based on Western/Christian traditions Partially aligns in terms of promoting certain Western values like individualism However, his focus is more on technological progress than traditional cultural values Does not emphasize Christian or religious traditions More aligned with technocratic rather than traditional cultural values Male traditionalism/supremacy mentioned in the definition Some of his statements about gender have been criticized However, does not explicitly promote male supremacy as an organizing principle His critiques tend to focus on what he sees as "wokeness" rather than promoting traditional gender roles Overall conclusion: No, Musk does not fit the operational definition provided. While he has made controversial statements on various topics, his worldview appears to be more technocratic and globalist rather than aligning with the nationalist, racial, cultural, and gender components outlined in the operational definition.

[@mapsdot9223]

@@PsychologyInSeattle Your memory isn't required. There's a transcript. Humberto literally says '.. I used to like the guy you know it was always like he's a nerd he's he's always awkward and stuff and at the same time there is a level of grandiosity to this right like his even though his actions are are kind of dorky looking you can tell that he's like you know his arms up and he's like yes this is Grand..' I'm pretty sure that thinking a celebration of winning an election is grand doesn't make one grandiose. So Humberto thinks if your hands are up, you're grandiose and if you say 'I give my heart to you' and extend your arm out, you're a nazi. This seems rational.....

[@Sproeikoei]

@@mapsdot9223 I was just referring to his many joke professions :)

[@karlahowe3274]

It was a visceral gut punch of an experience when I first saw him salute. Trust your gut.

[@joanbaczek2575]

Yeah for me the angry lip bite was such contrast to being happy- red flag 🚩 then him saying give my heart to you. Narcissists say one thing and do another. So I watched him with no sound and saw the truth. my grandparents were victim of Nazi his hand moves we’re not really correct but when I just watched his face I could no longer deny his intentions- I’m heart broken cuz I really thought for years Elon was a really smart great guy and saw his awkwardness as endearing and relatable because I have problems with being awkward in social situations. We kinda needed a handsome genius nerd hero like the one he played trying to give internet to ashville nc for free. 😞

[@sebnemb935]

he also supports radical right wing AfD in Germany.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

what makes them radial right wing?

[@juliaabramova4153]

@@Jay-eb7ik um they literally envision two tiers of germans - ethnic germans vs non-ethnic germans... hello

[@Yattayatta]

@@juliaabramova4153 They don't, they want to deport criminals and illegals that are not theirs, I think ANY country should want to do that.

[@Nina__Online]

@@Jay-eb7ik Fighting child marriage.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

@@juliaabramova4153 show proof and sources please - also save the sass, it doesn't help your argument... hello

[@aliciasisley]

The Elon deep dive was epic!! I never saw him the same after that. I was hoping to see you guys follow up on what's been happening with Elon!

[@jesshatchette]

I’m beginning to think it doesn’t matter as much if he’s a Nazi as much as if he’s going to change his behavior and apologize so that he sets a better example for how he wants to show up in the world. His defensiveness is concerning because it seems like he did intend to be offensive. I think that that’s louder than the gesture itself.

[@Pizzanomicon]

It wouldn't matter if he apologized lol.If you aren't aware he is a die hard image board troll, it's almost his whole personality. It's known in those communities that he's associated with nationalists in those spaces. If that's not enough let us count all the times he supported nationalist rhetoric on his own platform, and then deleted it.

[@sauldc1829]

He didn’t apologized.. he doubled… nay he tripled.. down with dork nazi puns

[@jamesstone7974]

Yes. Even if he didnt do a nazi salute - he and the nazis were cut from the same cloth.

[@cerwjeny]

and we will call a spade a spade. always.

[@RachelleJervis]

Thank you for thoughtfully covering this important issue. Hearing patricians lie has felt like something from 1984.

[@Superwonkah]

Good on you both on daring to take a side during these times in the US. The fact is a lot of people are behind Trump and Musk, and taking a side is taking the risk of losing an audience

[@tk70707]

the daring left virtue signaling. So brave...

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

@@tk70707 Virtue signalling: the act of demonstrating support for a cause primarily for social approval rather than genuine commitment. I assure you, tk70707, we are genuinely committed to reviewing the data and providing the opinions stated.

[@velocitygirl8551]

He’s serving the White House in many capacities so hell yeah you should ask this question!

[@Treehead726]

I've known he was a white supremacist in some fashion way before he confirmed it in front of the world. Looking forward to this episode.

[@raina4732]

Same here, especially when his girlfriend Grimes was attending white “empowerment” meetings and befriending neo n’s, and he had nothing to say about it and kept having kids with her. Also with his “we need to repopulate” obsession.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

my question is: how did ANY ONE like this guy? Did we forget CEO's are all sadist sociopaths? RARELY is a CEO a good person or create actual contribution to society. We should never forget Rich people ALWAYS makes life harder for the rest of us. The whole point is figuring out how to do so in order for them to make more money. That's it. THat's the whole game of life to them.

[@Nina__Online]

He just outed the UK covering up 100,000 rapes of girls, for one thing.

[@blinkypushbuttons]

Poor people have always been causing problems in my life because poor people need to pretend they're big ballers. Their egos are just as huge. Not saying rich people are better, but poor people mostly suck too. They just talk about tv shows, sports, and how if you're not morbidly obese, that can only mean you're anorexic. Poor people are the same with less stuff and more kids.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

While I absolutely appreciate the sentiment that execs and the ultra rich often commit harms on society, research demonstrates that the majority of CEOs do not show psychopathic traits. However, to your point, some research has shown that 20% of CEOs exhibit significant psychopathic traits, compared to 1% in the general population. Regarding sadistic personality disorder, I have not seen that research. But yes, we definitely have a problem with rich people, in general (particularly the ultra-rich), influencing policy to make them richer while the rest of society suffers.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

@@PsychologyInSeattle I've been watching lately how some professors like to phrase capitalism as: "growth at the expense of development" I'm no expert in what you do nor in economics but to me it seems to be working that way. Instead of helping develop a strong foundation for this world and its inhabitants, capitalism is hyper focused on capital growth. And they don't care who they throw under the bus to get it done. That's dangerous. Also I appreciate your reply! thank you for correcting my statement, I actually thought most CEO's had to have a certain behavioral trait in order to do what they do (as in lack empathy)

[@djason338]

Conservatives: if you say "mekka lekka hi mekka hiney ho" after doing a Nazi salute, it removes all the Nazi magic and makes it into an inoffensive regular salute

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

I think he aspires to be one, like the dork wanting to be one of the cool kids, which is somehow even worse.

[@loveall1013]

How is cool to be a Nazi?? Come on guys

[@astakopy688]

Exactly. Same with his buddy Zuckerberg. Just a bunch of nerds looking for revenge

[@joanbaczek2575]

The aggressive lip bite was in stark contrast to a happy moment

[@LisaGayleDE]

Rogan didn't do it how Musk did it. Rogan had an open hand, Musk had a closed hand thumb tucked in. When you do it yourself it feels terrible. Rogan knows.

[@colleenvoncartier5536]

He is naturally akward .

[@LisaGayleDE]

@colleenvoncartier5536 do the hand movement just like Musk did and see how it feels to you. Musk did it for shits and giggles he has no empathy.

[@stephenmansfield2722]

I agree 100%: it looked rehearsed. He planned what he wanted to do, and the biting down on the lower lip; the grunt of effort was him overcoming the countervailing, self-protective instincts that would restrain him from exposure and embarrassment at performing such a widely societally reviled, aberrant act.

[@troyshen5715]

The characterization of his "gesture" as being a product of some ASD tic, as if he was stimming the seig heil, is so maddeningly absurd. Another pathetic example of the 4chan / r9k type antisocial memeing that's now prominent in the mainstream discourse.

[@guldi3]

He definitely is, if you think otherwise you're probably just biased. No intelligent man salutes like that and tells the german far right to move beyond holocaust guilt if they are not. Future Generations will laugh about us for even discussing something so obvious.

[@kookiekrumbles]

Yes, yes and yes. Elon also grew up in apartheid South Africa...so there's that.

[@virginiasoares826]

My thoughts exactly

[@joolsner]

I thought the same.

[@lisaess6514]

Thank you both for giving us two hours of your thoughts.

[@GnarzillaFunk7]

Thank you both for being so logical and open minded about every aspect. I really enjoy that you explore all ideas and try not to assume things. It’s so refreshing to hear conversations like this especially when I might not have anyone in my life to bounce ideas like this around with.

[@eurosis]

ADL did not give the benefit of the doubt to students protesting at campuses against killing civilians in Gaza. None of those guys did the Nazi salute or agreed on Twitter with the great replacement theory.

[@gingerdavis1833]

Wow, this is such a great analysis on all this. Brilliant. For a tightly-edited 2 HOURS. Thank you thank you thank you to you both!! I loved the options/theories presented-- (paraphrasing) he is either dumb, lying, and/or a Nazi. Also loved the "Before Nazis, there weren't Nazis!" & "straight down the middle Nazi shit" & "you dont have to guess, you just have to listen to him."

[@trophybuckle3235]

🤣💯

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha!

[@susansmiles2630]

It looks as if he has rehearsed this move many times in front of the mirror, and THIS was his moment.....that's what I thought, too, when I first saw it.

[@62442islife]

Thank you for this. As a longtime fan of the podcast, I really enjoyed your breakdown. I’d also like to add that being pro-Isr*el doesn’t negate being a N*zi - in fact, the early architects of the Isr*eli state sought out approval of known N*zis and anti-Sem*tes because they had the same ultimate goal - a transfer of J*ws. I think that’s super important to mention.

[@jenniferkarami2131]

I hoped you guys would cover this!

[@oathboundsecrets]

Short answer: yes.

[@meghanmccarthy7711]

I'm having a lot of my own patients come to me this week with safety concerns and so much hopelessness already. I am struggling to help them with this when I am struggling myself!! I'm sort of in shock. If I showed my 2015 self the events of the past week- I literally wouldn't be able to believe it. Definitely a period of disillusionment for my generation (millennial)

[@Nina__Online]

Thanks Dr Honda, more hysteria for the right to make fun of. smfh. Dr Honda, Get out of the bubble and go watch Lefties Losing It or something. Go at least know what the rest of the world sees. It’s embarrassing. I learned because I was supporting the UK Royal Family vs Meghan Markle and saw the news via British sources. After that, Dr Honda, do a video on the grooming / rape gangs (which Elon highlighted) and also explore whether when an adolescent takes puberty blockers they lose the ability to ever have an orgasm and worse. These are promoted by the left and hurt children much more than a salute at a rally does. 100,000 rapes of young girls under the watchful eyes of the police who even would send them back with the man, because of identity politics promoted by the left. I’d like to see us on the American left take some responsibility for the damage the rest of the world sees we’ve done with our shallow empathy. As I said in my other comment, I am a lifelong leftist socialist/democrat from a government family in DC, my uncle did in holocaust and I am a narcissistic abuse coach who debunks smear campaigns on Elons platform.

[@sonyadezarn4059]

The drop in the clear blue water is eugenics.

[@TravisRiver]

I was really trying to understand why Elon would think this is a politically expedient thing to do and so at first I was incredulous. But the man in chronically online and loves trolling: so he probably thought this would be funny, to give it to the woke libs with a legitimate Nazi salute. But also with all things Elon, the things he likes to "play" with and imagine he has creative distance from, he actually just becomes and is: this was a trolling, legitimately white supremacist action.

[@heylookitsnana]

I just want to add that Elon's POE2 character was grinding during the inauguration. XD

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Oh really? Makes sense.

[@Hemlocker]

I think that was his POE2 character. But yeah, he's boosted.

[@heylookitsnana]

@@Hemlocker Ty. I got mixed up. I've updated my comment.

[@testing1-2three]

Maybe Eron was bullied because he was such a dbag?

[@liul]

Maybe he wasn't bullied, he was the bully and the other children were just defending themselves from this brat

[@Joliefleur252]

@@liulnope. He is a quite typical ex-bullied. That’ s the surest way to make a psychopathe.

[@nomeinthecottage4767]

I’m glad you’re covering this. I was gobsmacked to find people on my friends list on FB denying the holocaust completely!

[@karenholmes6565]

I am autistic. I point this out because I have some of the same scars that Elon does. I was labeled as intellectually disabled by a teacher. I overheard my parents talking about this, which is how I found out. I am not intellectually disabled, but I was slow to learn to read. Like Elon I had this burning need to overcompensate and prove I wasn't inferior, I became a scholar. I have some compassion for young Elon, because being autistic is a PTSD inducing experience. We get aggressively bullied, we get into compromising relationships because we cannot sus out the motivations of bad people. My saving grace was the loving parents that I had, I was adored by my parents. So many autistic people are not accepted by their parents, which has to be a trauma as well. I am writing this to say that Elon's life is no excuse for his behavior. Most autistic people are vehemently anti-authoritarian. It is a trait we almost universally share. Elon's response to his neurodivergence is highly atypical for autistic people.

[@mmissmodular]

what he said about the droplet had me locked in

[@cwilson463]

He’s not able to become president of the US since he was not born here (for now, anyway), but he has bought his way pretty damn close. And with allllllllllllll that wealth he has, he cannot buy genuine likability and coolness.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

When the republic ends could he become emperor?

[@eleanorbarsic8065]

Look- i dont know anything about this guy except tesla references but that was a salute and it did not shock me but it does break my heart. Unfortunately, i had always wondered how hilters regime could take over the way it did. Until the last time trump was in office and i watched the denial of so many the dismissal of trumps words and behaviors that were and are disturbing (and administration and congressmen and senators) and it was sickening to watch. So many systems were damaged the first term. They will be destroyed this term and it will be devastating to our comminity. The headmoventas musk made look like a tight sore neck to me... And boredom. Lastly, people aren't stupid but it is the science response if 'can i prove what he was thinking or feeling? No " that's what the other love to jump in on" see! You cant prove it!! " Like the point itself is rendered moot. Its desturbing. And heartbreaking and anti-humanitarian.

[@Kat-wo7ix]

He wanted to test the waters. If he gets away with it. Imagine, he had done this in Germany or would be only a "normal" man. He knew exactly what he did. My opinion.

[@elizaline7571]

Thanks dr Kirk and Humberto!

[@elvenbae]

Thankyou for doing such a thorough breakdown. I saw little clips and at first glance I thought it was a bit ambiguous. But with all the context and his history, he deserves to be held accountable.

[@gloriaherrera9876]

As someone who's not from USA, the moment I saw Elon do that I knew times are about to change and not for good. The next week confirmed my feelings. I really hope I'm wrong.

[@LizNeptune]

BERTO definitely shines this episode!! Great job!! They are trying to tell us we didn’t see what we saw, which is extremely disturbing!! 1984 vibes!

[@lizatamayo1053]

Thank you for this Dr Honda! Your work is appreciated ❤️🤍💙

[@ABREDI10]

Thank you both for this discussion and for making this video available to everyone❤

[@ShimmerBodyCream]

Thanks for making this.

[@pauladuncanadams1750]

There are seven political organizations in Germany. Right and left, six of those parties are willing to play together, all agreeing on a Democracy. The most extreme right-wing party does not, and Elon Musk is actively supporting and financially backing them. Yes, it's not JUST US politics that Musk is interfering with. I think that pretty much says it all. Mic dropped.

[@elzzz2000]

Same in the UK. He backs Reform, which is also an extreme right wing fringe party. He also supports and is even funding the legal fight of a man who's being charged with a terrorism offense, and previously jailed for his harassment of a refugee SCHOOLBOY. He's disgusting.

[@pauladuncanadams1750]

@elzzz2000 Thanks for giving us this information. Keep informing the world. We all need to keep tabs on this megalomaniac.

[@rachelreynolds0430]

i've never loved Berto more than what he says first in this vid 💛💚

[@MathPiHanan]

A meta deep dive that is a collision of 2 previous deep dives 😁

[@kirausamaria5409]

A lot of CEOs are either narcissists or sociopaths, that's why they get so successful without deserving it 😅.

[@margaretgilbert2901]

Really enjoyed the show. Great info. Thank you.

[@keilaolan1827]

Very interesting take, guys! Thank you.

[@maybememory1]

If it were isolated, no. But he’s made anti-Semitic statements before, so, I’ll say yes. And also, it especially makes sense to me given that he grew up in South Africa, where there is still a LOT of racism today.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

I didn't realize he's antisemitic. You can be a fascist without being antisemitic, but to be a nazi you need to be antisemitic.

[@Hdc_thats_me]

I’m halfway thru, this is GREAT! I’m dying to hear you address the “autism” excuse but I haven’t heard that one yet or missed it haha they’re really stretching with the excuses! 😂😂

[@michellewehner7179]

For me, It's not just the hand gesture difference between Taylor/Kamala and Musk, which is arguably subtle, it's what's on the face - facial expression is much more substantial in differentiating the intention.

[@davemartin8409]

If it was 1925 Musk's actions might be ambiguous 100 years later, there is no ambiguity.

[@paciriver4290]

Absolutely it was a nazi salute.! That's not acceptable in the country that lost sons,fathers,uncles ,brothers cousins.and friends fighting against Hitler!

[@LisaGayleDE]

Wow! That was refreshing, beautiful and so interesting, will be sharing with anyone that discusses this topic with me. Thanks Dr H, Berto ❤❤

[@SamaG1234]

Would love a video on how to cope with the things going on in the world today. I have had a weight on my chest since this salute.

[@JAde-tm1yb]

His heart goes out to the white supremacists.

[@mischiefmanaged9873]

Really great breakdown, and I concure. I think it's wonderful that you tied in his trauma. So many true crime cases that I have followed, the perpetrator/ killer/ rapist, has been bullied, or treated badly in childhood/adolescents. I don't excuse them for thier deeds, I have had big traumas and I choose to be loving. If we all could be kinder, the world would be a better place.

[@OFDM-network]

Ayrans are not white with blue eyes. Ayrans are brown skin and black hair mostly. Natzis stole some random symbols and meaning and made a movement of of this. Swastika is symbol of the sun from india. They needed to come up with some nonsense fast i guess. Also hitler is Austrian not german.

[@RETRO.flame.-s5n]

What's your point in connection to this video?

[@ludoedica]

​@@RETRO.flame.-s5n nazi*sm is based on made-up symbols in order to influence large groups of people effectively. Totalitarian regimes rely on narratives which convince the population. It has nothing to do with facts and truth. The more lies there are in a totalitarian propaganda narrative, the better it works. Paradoxical but true.

[@OFDM-network]

@ You mentioned Ayrans in the video

[@RETRO.flame.-s5n]

Telling people the in-group is superior and the out-group is inferior due to some apparently perceptive flaw underlies all periods of human development. Be it skin colour, country of origin, tribe, religion or political belief. It's the same form of discrimination repackaged. You can debate a wrong use of a term, or it not perfectly fitting a definition... but this is a gesture used to portray the victory of a superior group, plain and simple, shown at a political event.

[@OFDM-network]

@@RETRO.flame.-s5n All im saing is that Natzi "Ayrans" are not Ayrans from Iran or Rik Veda. All im saying. I dont want to get to in grup or out grup stuff. In grup always win and racism is real, dont want to argue that, this is simple.

[@I_am_not_your_sister]

So refreshing to see genuine commentary on this, the lying about what he did has been awful. It's beyond obvious, he did it with his hand and he did it with his face too!!!!

[@Venla-px6qz]

Unrelated to this video: I've been trying to find one spesific Psychology in Seattle podcast episode for an hour now. It tells about The giving tree (children's book I think). Does anyone remember which episode that was :( I've tried every possible word search I could think of and still haven't found that and I would really want to re-listen to it

[@lannaintajak80]

Thank you guys for this ❤

[@melissawarren5767]

Yes he was trying to show his people a signal, that now is their time!

[@terkapio9285]

-grandpa the man with the mustache in this photo who is it?? -hitler a very bad man -why are you standing in front of him and holding your hand so strangely?? -because I tell him stop you are a bad bad man