Is Expensive Sim Racing ACTUALLY Worth It?

[@shaneaguilar2209]

I bought all my sim racing equipment used. Lots of people drop stacks of money just to realize they aren’t good at sim racing or just don’t enjoy it. That’s where all the deals are

[@fredrickbambino]

True it’s a waste buying it new

[@HairyScrambler]

Same with VR

[@NextEevolution]

Good tip, thanks

[@yaadmadegaming]

lol me, only i bought a cheap set up used then realized I suck and don't have time to play enough to get good

[@edermerino7489]

@@HairyScrambler Fr. Where I live, there's loads of Valve Index and HP reverb G2s both w/ controllers for around 180-200€ and thinking that a brand new index is around 700... It's crazy to see how people waste their money on these things just to realise they don't have the commitment to use them

[@maxlow3670]

Dawid, just an advice, always release your hand from steering wheel when you are about to crash. DD wheels are no joke when it comes to crashes and snapping your wrist when you least expect

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

Learned that the hard way....

[@PontiacKid2]

I was thinking about that when I saw his thumbs being locked in.

[@sheratedis]

I was terrified and scared that he will brake his thumbs.

[@santiago4062]

This comment made my wrists hurt so much

[@yonson_racing]

Definitely! I jammed the F outta my thumb the first week I had my DD base!

[@BigTylt]

*Tonight on Top Gear:* Anna wears a hat; Trak Racer wears a hat; Dawid causes multiple high-speed car crashes

[@johnwood7283]

Dawid needs to redo the intro using this!😂

[@affiliateanimalistic9607]

Some say Dawid was imitating Richard Hammond 🤔

[@waldfruchttee]

"tonight on botom gear mates"

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

Powerrrrrrrrr!

[@GabsARV]

Sounds like Bottom Gear episode

[@fierce134]

I'm just impressed someone at Moza watched Dawid's videos and thought, "You know what, let's do a sponsor spot with this goofball"! Although, if I had that kind of money and clout, I'd find all the goofballs that make awesome YT videos

[@OffRoadQC]

I have a Moza R9 with SRP pedals, a Reverb G2... and I play 100% VR in AC. You're in for an epic experience!! That being said... setting up AC for VR is not plug and play. There are a few good guides on KZbin with different settings... I have spent many hours trying different settings and trying to find a good balance between fps and sharpness/look. And I have an i7 13700K and an RTX 3090... yet it's still struggling to get close to 85-90 fps. Make sure you use CSP and Pure. I have it dialed in now to a place where it's... fucking awesome. Fighting for corners in close quarters with opponents in VR is just plain stupid epic. I love this stuff.

[@tiagobelo4965]

adding to this if I may: in the CSP (btw, you should use content manager when modding assetto at all, it makes everything a million times easier and is in general just a better UI) ffb tweaks, enable "output real steering forces to wheel" and "output real brake forces from pedal", set the force to 100% in the software and you should get the best experience possible (assuming you grab a car with both of those enabled). another thing of note is that BeamNG also has VR, you'll need to run it in Vulkan for the best experience, but it has generally been described as utterly terrifying. oh, and on CSP+Pure, there are many preset graphics and PP filter packs out there, my personal favourite is SKY, but any half decent one will make assetto look like it has graphics from the future.

[@OffRoadQC]

@@tiagobelo4965 In VR I feel like the PureVR PPF gives me the best overall feeling/experience... I tried SKYand some others but it was less "crisp". Maybe it's just me though...

[@ilmariylitalo8427]

If you have lots of cars on the track, you will quickly come CPU bottlenecked in AC, and many other sim titles. I reckon you take a look at your extra python apps should you have any in use, and see what disabling them does to your performance. Some of the very simple seeming apps are incredible CPU performance hogs, to mention a few I noticed quite heavy: car radar, sidekick, crewchief. I got Index and the same CPU as you, but 4090 and I'm essentially completely CPU bottlenecked with a large grid, any of the graphics settings does absolutely nothing no matter how high or low I go.

[@OffRoadQC]

@@ilmariylitalo8427 I don't feel like I have CPU bottleneck but I'll have to check. My FPS is pretty constant either I'm alone on the track in practice mode or racing with opponents. That being said... I rarely put more than 20 cars on the track. But yeah it makes total sense that the more cars you have, the more CPU it will need. Also I added apps after I tuned my game and didn't notice a drop. I'm currently running 87 avg fps with lows around 73-75. It feels pretty smooth. Anything lower than that and I feel like I can't corner correctly and I start missing apexes and braking points for no apparent reason... other than input lag. Of course if I lower my graphics again it gets even better, but it's a balance. I need a 4090 but prices man... I regret not buying one before the hike.

[@RamzyTheDad]

I try with my meta quest 2 and get immediate motion sickness. Blah

[@Jacked153]

I was genuinely worried for you @14:55 don't hold onto the wheel when entering a crash

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

Exactly you just should let go! Let go your wheel!

[@rolux4853]

No you shouldn’t, but if you’ve ever driven in Assetto Corsa you know that it cuts off the FFB in direct highspeed impacts like this.

[@hypermaniksk534]

​@@rolux4853Bad, bad advice my friend. With strong DD wheels, you should absolutely let go in gamed like BeamNG. Just watch Jimmy Broadvent and his challenges with a 100% DD wheel.

[@gerardsitja]

C'mon guys, it's just 5Nm for God sake!!

[@veeembee]

@@gerardsitja that was the 16nm wheelbase and even with my 8nm at 60% in ac its till easy af to hurt yourself with it so i dont doubt the 5nm at 100% can too

[@mikekangaroo1124]

VR really adds it for me. I have trouble with Sims without it. Looking forward to seeing your vid

[@tgregi]

Yeah i stared sim racing in vr and dont understand why enyone uses monitors (out of the most competetive drivers, becose od lower vr res and thus lower precision in breaking points).

[@gregolas597]

I actually went from a g2 reverb to a g9 ultrawide. VR is immersive but exhausting and uncomfortable for long stints. It’s a cool party trick to demo for friends who has never tried a sim rig before though.

[@mikekangaroo1124]

As someone who has vr'ed for 4+ hour stints in things like Elite Dangerous I don't find it tiring or annoying in the slightest.

[@smallbutdeadly931]

@@gregolas597 I can feel that, but I recently upgraded to a Bigscreen Beyond and the experience is SO much better. Mainly the decrease in weight does a ton for comfort.

[@nephildevil]

@@gregolas597 sounds like somebody at that party would say to convince themselves they shouldn't feel buyers remorse for their expensive multiscreen setup being flat as a pancake, saying flatscreen images are better than VR for immersive gaming is like saying black and white movies are the best because the shades of grey arent as distracting from the plot as the millions of vibrant colours modern movies have, which is too exhausting to watch anyway

[@aaronb9630]

I'm watching this while sitting in my Trak Racer 120, it's now my living room "chair" with my 55" oled. It's actually super comfortable compared to the many lower quality choices I've purchased. I grabbed a full Simagic setup because they are more drift and rally focused and it's been an absolute blast using it in all kinds of games from Gran Turismo 7 to WRC. The investment is pretty steep but far less than a car and you can wreck as much as you want. I think this hobby is just going to grow this decade .

[@seitenryu6844]

That's the conclusion I came to as well. A high end setup isn't really for gamers that like racing games(unless you have $$$), but more for those without the budget or means for track days. The costs are miles apart.

[@allenellisdewitt]

I really REALLY appreciate you going through all the cost-levels, showing what you get for the money. Normally you'd only see the difference between a controller & the $1000000000000 version. Honestly, thank you (and thank you to the companies who reached out for sending a variety of levels)

[@rogerdiz3520]

Ha ha he hasn't even gone through the entire rabbit hole of cost levels. There is a pedal set that costs $2500 US per pedal. A wheelbase over $3000, and steering wheels that are well north of $1000... 😂

[@mementomori4972]

That's not true.

[@iris4547]

honestly, 3k for everything isnt that bad (well it is, but knowing how expensive these things can be i was expecting closer to 10k). would love to be able to justify the purchase one day. i just simply dont have the room for it right now. already have a logitech wheel and the biggest issue is the constant set up and pack up each time you use it, a dedicated rig is needed.

[@RichManSCTV0]

Just buy a whole car for 3k LOL

[@vailpcs4040]

Don't forget that you're also going to need to double that cost for the PC and monitor and software to run it all.

[@GewelReal]

This is so much cheaper than racing IRL Especially the R5 model, 100% worth it to someone that loves driving/racing

[@imo098765]

@@vailpcs4040 You dont actually, if you have a decent built in the last 4 years. You can play every sim game. Also Asseto Corsa is a few dollars on sale ACC is a little more pricey because it has so many DLC adding new cars and tracks but its not more than your average AAA game Dirt Rally is a normal games cost, but since its years old at this point its cheaper If you want to get into iRacing, thats when it starts costing a fortune

[@braveheart4603]

@@imo098765 My current pc is a low budget affair with an RX580 and it runs just about every sim on high settings at 70 to 90 fps. iRacing is the one sim i haven't bothered with yet. I want to get fairly decent before concentrating on the online multi player which is the only reason i'd consider subscribing to iRacing. It's not the best game but it has the largest userbase for multiplayer racing.

[@Mathias-RetroFutureTech]

I've bought a NLR Wheelstand 2.0 and added a self made wooden platform (painted in black of course :D) and a used BMW sport seat. Paid about 600€ for everything and I love the variability and the comfort the real car seat has to offer (can even adjust height, lumbar support, seat angle and upper leg support). Would highly recommend something like this to anyone!

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Oil Baron Racing sounds like the perfect name for a Wacky Races type Mario Kart ripoff with characters themed after cartoon rich people archetypes.

[@some-replies]

Once you get a proper seating position and fov it's insane. Took my passenger seat out of my car and built a rig

[@dagdamar2000]

Have to give a hats off to Both Moza and Trakracer. They gave their stuff to someone who will give a completely unbiased and honest opinion on the product AND the price. Also people that had never heard of them now got to see what they offer and how good it is, Now all those two have to do is get together and get the steering wheel mounts correct. Full marks to both companies. You have officially been Dawided!!!

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

You mean a completely uneducated position…

[@dagdamar2000]

So you are saying someone trying something for the first time, their opinion about it is less valid. So unless your are an expert in X your opinion is Irrelevant?@@TheOfficialOriginalChad

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

@@dagdamar2000 not at all…but it’s quite interesting that you got all of that out of so few words. Does that happen to you a lot?

[@dagdamar2000]

Not at all, but now looking at it with your reply I think you were referring to this been his first attempt at racing game setups. Not that his opinion was invalid. Thank you for clarifying your position.@@TheOfficialOriginalChad

[@rolux4853]

Moza is recently throwing their stuff at people who have absolutely no clue about sim racing (and who think a G29 is a big investment) as long as they have enough followers. Which is enough reason for me to never ever buy a Moza product (besides Simucube 2 Pro is still the goldstandard, so why buy anything else if you’re serious about sim racing?) again. I hate such blatant marketing initiatives that aren’t focused on their target demographic.

[@get2choppa]

this is one very niche area of pc gaming where you have to dump in quite a bit of money for it to be as immersive as it needs to be. but once you get or at least try out a full on setup, its an experience thats quite amazing. a direct drive set up with a samsung ark monitor absolutely slaps as these young whipper snappers say

[@angryginger791]

Those who got into sim racing in the past couple years have no idea how good they have it. There are so many choices now, and that competition has brough prices way down. I started 6 or 7 years ago and the DD choices were the Accuforce V2 @ around $1000 for a 10 Nm base, or an OSW base with 20+ Nm for $1500+. Pedals were the same way. You could get Fanatec V3's for $350-450 (for inverted), or go high end and spend $1000+. There was nothing in between because sim racing was such a small niche. I have around $5k into my setup and for me it's money well spent. At 8+ hours a week for the last 5 or 6 years, I think I've more than gotten my money's worth in entertainment out of it. It never gets old to me, especially with VR.

[@octanegamer1576]

Dawid, need to try and get a shifter for the rig

[@Epixk]

And a handbrake for rally

[@RBVJnt]

This video is the best I've seen from Dawid, yes, I like simracing, but just watching him discover new things is unique between all the pre built reviews

[@Yzf599]

man I forgot how bad AC looks without mods

[@FLIrishmann]

I am so glad Moza and Trak Racer reached out to you, as this was an absolutely amazing video. That being said, I couldn't imagine having the patience to set up the stand.

[@gsam_dad5540]

Gotta love the 'giggity' comment when Dawid says 'cockpit' :)

[@fcf8269]

Great video; although you just touched the main point here: the games If you play only few games, and those are well simulated, then a rig makes sense... But if you play a lot of games with poor physics implementation (or the wheel has no support for that game), it will suck big time and you ended up spending 3K for something that feels like the cheap 99 dollars wheel.

[@DoWorkNP]

Yes but luckily all the best sim racing games are relatively cheap and can be found for incredibly cheap on steam with their deals that happen pretty often.

[@Hoop27]

Nice to see the smile you had barreling around in the setup. As others have mentioned get your hands off the darn wheel if you're going to crash! When it comes to cost (and some of it is insane so I built my rig out of 2x4's and MDF which weighs a ton 🤣) keep in mind that sim racing is a serious hobby for a lot of racers as golf is to some people. For the next 'upgrades' I would recommend testing would be triple monitors and/or VR (Everyone has their own preference. I like triples myself.) to increase your peripheral visibility, and then for more immersion add a 'Buttkicker' (Yes. That's what it is called.) setup which will add vibration to your rig and seat which is a lot of fun if the title you play supports it. Overall sim racing is a fun little hobby for those of us that will never get the chance to drive a proper race car whether it be cost or physical size. The '79 Lotus F1 is my favorite to drive so I had a smile. Great video Dawid!

[@travisbonzpiercy2660]

Dawid another great piece of content. I have been following for a longtime now and you set your self apart by actually giving your point of view with actual emotion and those two things along with your great “tactfull” descriptions really make for some great stuff my friend. Thank you.

[@ArvindSharma-wp3ft]

Imagine buying all of this stuff to play gta San Andreas 😂😂😂

[@simoncodrington]

Absolutely glorious mate, loving where all these videos are going

[@UKfromadrone]

Moza giving Dawid a wrist strain faster than 16 year old Dawid could give a wrist strain to himself

[@strider_hiryu850]

one of the things i felt like was possibly lacking was some kind of mechanism that can jiggle your seat as you go over bumps. so i went on to TrakRacer's website and it turns out! not only do they have that product, it's like, a product CATEGORY. they're called actuators, and they seem pretty awesome. the website itself has an enormous selection. and don't worry if you're Canadian. you can just click the little flag in the top right corner, and switch over to the American version. which has a much wider selection of products. i was also impressed to see not only 3rd break pedals, but also manual gear shifters!! they even carry those awful "sequential" manual shifters, if you're a masochist or something.

[@joshb6470]

Driving on a teenager's face, and then I died laughing

[@AnnaDoes]

hahahaha ikr. So visual

[@tomr3422]

seems like he got the canadian version with the square wheels

[@BernardWilkinson]

I remember them days.

[@tiagobelo4965]

some funny details about ffb in beamng: due to it being based on the soft body physics of the game its violently shakey, and requires a lot of friction, smoothing, and inertia the most important thing to many, is that despite having a VERY good power steering simulation, no car presets have it equipped, so dawid was basically driving a ford F150 with the power steering disconnected, for those who may not know, that's a full blown workout, and the only reason dawid didn't come out of this video absolutely jacked is because of the lowered ffb. edit: btw, moza and some other manufacturers make wheel bases above 16Nm, moza has a 21Nm base and I've seen monstrosities beyond 30Nm, with any wheel base of this kind (hell, above 8Nm its probably a good idea) you should REALLY have an emergency shutoff switch (usually the big red button you see on the side of some people's simrigs), these things aren't just strong, they are absurdly fast, they can and they will absolutely destroy your hands if something goes wrong.

[@Alan-zf1xj]

Tech gaming KZbinr with a manual winding watch. What a fucking Chad. Mad respect

[@Tia_Bea]

I upgraded from the G29 to a Moza R9 this year and it was a very worthy upgrade. Quality stuff if you like simracing.

[@jrose-xp6tf]

So Anna, is he wearing driving gloves around the house yet?

[@AnnaDoes]

Not yet but soon hahaha

[@Mr3DPrintWizard]

Man, I work with a veteran non for profit that works with disabled vets and this would be something epic to put into our facility. Dreaming.

[@jacksongunner7122]

I’m shocked an actual review, I never liked racing games because of how crappy the control is with an Xbox controller but this has made me re-evaluate that.

[@TillTheLightTakesUs]

git gud scrub

[@SilverHolland]

Funny how in a street car, adjusting the "cockpit" is so easy, but on a sim rig that isn't restricted to a surrounding car, it's such a pain...

[@DoWorkNP]

It's super easy for sim racing too but gotta pay extra for that luxury lol

[@SilverHolland]

@@DoWorkNP I want to get into sim racing, but thing I'd want adjustability to be able to share with a mate or let other guests try. In team races it's also nice to be in the same room, it seems.

[@TheDwarvenDefender]

"Is Expensive Sim Racing ACTUALLY Worth It?" Is a gym subscription?

[@agoddamnferret]

lol the answers to that is "depends on what you do with it" everyone forgets those parts, hence why he tests them out to say "is this gonna be worth it for YOU"

[@makuIa]

I gym 6 days a week for the past 7 years, if health is important to you it definitely is but most gym’s definitely make their money on new year’s resolution lock in contracts

[@philiptownsend4026]

​@@makuIaOne did with me one year. I never even went once. Stupid decision, but we all learn from our mistakes, hopefully.

[@tiagobelo4965]

@@makuIa not to be that guy, but I think that was a joke about how high-end sim gear is so brutal and racecar-y that it is a genuine workout, seriously, go check out some 100% FFB challenges from people using DD wheel bases, it almost seems like they're doing a powerlifting competition during an earthquake

[@imo098765]

middle of the range is worth it. Most people dont need more than 8-9nm DD wheels but if you play 7 hrs every week, thats $4 per hour for a $1500 setup If you buy a AAA game at $70 and its less than 14hrs, thats worse value for your time

[@GeorgeWells00]

This full setup is the coolest thing I've seen on the channel in a while, this is just awesome

[@samson7294]

LMAO being poor sucks...

[@thegamehud8214]

Could build a cardboard steering wheel hooked up with attachments to a gamepad like the guy on youtube did. 😂

[@thecompanioncube4211]

I mean DD have gone quite cheap now a days. It used to be a definite $1000+ just to get the wheel. But now you can get whole starting bundle for $400ish. With wheels and pedals. It’s basically is the same price as Logitech g923 gear drive

[@ccramit]

As someone who has upgraded their rig multiple times and made a lot of purchasing mistakes, do your research! I made the mistake of cheaping out on a wheelbase with no FFB, only to buy a G29 a few weeks later, and then upgrading to a CSL Elite a few months after that, and then a CSL DD a few years later. If you have the money, go with a Direct Drive wheelbase as DD is the future. Belt and gear driven wheels are good for folks who don't have the budget, but don't waste money on a rig that you will upgrade from in a few weeks. Save up and buy a DD wheelbase right away if you can afford it. There is no comparison to gear or belt driven wheels.

[@pigeondriver8992]

FINALLY A VIDEO WHERE HE TRIES BEAMNG, except it's not for cpu benchmark

[@OrcCorp]

To imagine you can get a high-tier beast of a gaming PC with $2500, you really need to be into sim racing to be willing spend another $2500 for this setup. Plus an extra $1000-1500 for a fitting OLED gaming monitor. Pimp my ride, indeed. Either way, awesome video, as always. Thanks for the good entertainment! 👌😊

[@maldee737]

Dude welcome to SIM Racing, the struggle is real and your gaming life has forever changed. Just wait till you get a motion rig and a buttkicker!!!

[@duanehettich119]

Add a Buttkicker. Simple, low cost immersion that is spot on. If you wind up trying VR, it will completely put you in the seat.

[@zanahoriasshroobi2630]

Vr is good but its hard to race competitively for hours on end

[@Darren_Martin]

Real big boy sim racing is expensive. But if you like it and you're reasonably good at it, then it is totally worth it

[@jaxondabac8808]

The end of this video has got me excited! Would love to see Dawid add a Quest 3 to this setup, or any good headset.

[@floydlooney6837]

Will he be doing flight sim rigs someday?

[@jrose-xp6tf]

When the shipping costs of wings goes down 😉

[@aprilmeowmeow]

I will use my very legitimate and daily experience as an airline pilot to judge the RealFeel factor of the flight rig.

[@Sendit77]

i like this style of reviews where u havent tried every brand of wheel under the sun but give insightful information for an actual buyer

[@Weeethunder]

Imo its worth it

[@LordLOC]

After seeing a channel here on KZbin named Project Sim Racing - even this setup is NOTHING. I highly recommend anyone who is into sim racing, or who wants to see an absolutely insane sim setup with a triple screen thingy with one of the most high end most expensive sim setups around while the guy plays WRC, Assetto Corsa, American and European Truck Simulator (he does long, long videos with lofi beats to these, for calmer real-life point to point stuff, it's great lol) and several other sim or sim-lite games. It'll blow your mind seeing some of these games played like this. The WRC videos alone look like a real-life WRC race broadcast, minus all the game-y stuff of course. Highly recommended again if you want to see real, real expensive sim racing or want to get into sim racing and see what it can look like.

[@mementomori4972]

YOu should check out the rigs from Boosted Media and Race beyond matter.

[@AnnaDoes]

You are far too excited by this.. I don't like it 😆

[@jrose-xp6tf]

We are scared also.

[@DstruX]

The next step should be to add bass shakers! It made a huge difference in immersion for a very low cost. Racing without them now feels so… flat

[@mattmeyers403]

I have a Fanatec CSL Elite on a Next Level Racing cockpit running a PS5 with PSVR2 for GT7. It’s amazing in VR feels like you’re there in the cars. Would love to try DD on this setup!

[@1985dafydd]

You're going to love VR sim racing, the spacial awareness it adds makes racing a lot a easier. I'm at the point now where no VR = no buy. Although, you do need a Saudi oil baron's PC to make it look pretty.

[@PaulLemars01]

Yeah, I definitely want to see you VR race this thing. So total cost of this experience is probably around 6-7K when you factor in the PC and the big-ass monitor (or 3). This sounds like a huge amount of money but not when you consider the alternative of actual weekend track racing. I used to amateur track race when I was young around 20 years ago and just playing around with motorcycles financially broke me let along with the actual bones. I won't describe this as a cheap activity but in the metric of hobbies, it's relatively cheap. Another thought is can you, with the addition of a flight yoke go flying with this thing?

[@katieblackmore2004]

Iv'e been sim racing since 2014. I went from P Cars with the T150, then too Assetto Corsa and the T300, finally to iRacing and a Fanatec. Let me tell you, a wheel with FFB is a must. You may laugh, but the amount of people that buy a cheap wheel, with no FFB just to get what they think is the start of a sim racing experience, the FFB is a HUGE part of that experience. Also, the wheel doesn't make the driver, the driver makes the wheel. If you are crap at sim racing, spending over a grand on a Fanatec won't make you Lewis Hamilton, you'll just crash and probably break your wrists, because yes, the feed back from direct drive and Fanatec wheels is POWERFUL. Also, tweak your wheel settings for you, as there are settings that adjust the feel of the road, tyre, slip, grip, the actual feedback. You don't need an expensive wheel to have a good experience. If you are new, an entry level wheel from Thrustmaster or LT will be great, way more immersive than a controller. The internet makes you think you need an expensive wheel, the playseat, expensive pedals etc. If you do that, you'll be spending over £700. The T300 is around £280 The playseats are around £300 to £350 The T3PA Pedals are around £150 Add delivery and insurance, you are well over the £700, and believe me, there are way more expensive wheels and pedals. All you need...... Just a gaming seat, chair, a sturdy desk is all you need too start, and buy something like the Thrustmaster T128, it is an entry level with pedals and will do fine. If you find you enjoy it and get better..... THEN upgrade.

[@BenFilley]

Long time viewer, very happy to see you picking up sim racing. In my opinion, sim racing on a decent setup in vr is the pinnacle of modern gaming.

[@kidShibuya]

14:20 but that's the thing, the real life car doesn't have heavy steering, people say it actually feels quite light. People pay so much to make everything massively unrealistic.

[@radarrider6331]

Yeah, but race cars do

[@Lolwutfordawin]

Depends on the car. Modern normie cars have basically no feedback at all, but older sports cars can be a workout just to drive to the store.

[@Deadbeatbeats]

The fact that you get the R16 bundle for $1400 is a pretty good deal. I paid more just for my wheelbase lmao. I know many start off with either the R5 or R9, but If I just got into this hobby I would have saved up and went R16. If you start off "cheap" you will burn cash upgrading (been there, done that). I dont think a lot of people would consider upgrading from a R16 since it covers most peoples needs (most).

[@belabedo]

Learned a lot from you while building my PC then got into sim racing. I think this is a natural evolution. Can't wait to see your reaction when you try VR sim racing.

[@alphaperez]

I played console racing games with a controller many years ago but always wanted a better setup. I finally bought a Moza R12 an a real rig and it's probably the most fun I've ever had playing video games. iRacing is the most addictive game/sim I've ever played. It's amazing. Yes it's costly but this is a real hobby for me and it's literally the thing I do the most lol

[@scherge]

VR really is the next logical step with such a neat setup. VR makes driving so much more fun, even with a controller, because of how intuitive you can look along each curve while taking it, which isn't possible on a TV, imo.

[@bobbyQQ]

So good that you are experiencing this with a great FFB game like AC. And VR on top of this will be incredible. Excited to see the journey.

[@robertmenshausen6321]

The potential for digit dismemberment just adds to a deeper level of immersion. Brace,Brace,Brace !!!

[@weok-doing-things]

And for example, about lock ups. Usually finding the limit IRL is easier than in any game. Quality gear is just a good tools to get closer to this edge.

[@tonesthegrey6452]

Now it's time to really put yourself through some pain. It's called iracing.

[@jameshelbling7449]

Vr is really great, triples are king. Do both! More content! Enjoyed the review and watching you go through it. Have a rig that was a multi year multi stage project, but it’s a hugely rewarding thing. Took me a weekend and change to get the frame done too. Hopefully you get to keep it!

[@tjftruth]

This is by far my favourite video series and easily the coolest thing you’ve done on this channel

[@FordEntertainmentGroupFEG]

Trak Racer and Moza are 2 great companies in the Sim-Racing community. They are solid choices.

[@KurisuKun]

Definitely give iRacing a shot, it has imo the best force feedback and plenty of online races to partake in.

[@proscriptus]

I've driven big, powerful cars fast on tiny Italian roads and this genuinely reminded me of it

[@phoenixaz4156]

I had smile on my face the whole video 😂 Happy to see you express your joy and pure happiness on this video You truly made me think I'm the one who is driving and giving it all . Thank you David you made my day i hadn't laugh or smile for the past month or so . Wish you all the best from Algeria ♥️

[@joeschmoe5009]

You need an emergency stop button for direct drive, that way when you lose control you can hit the button and the wheel shuts off

[@fast_mattw8059]

The button is only for if the wheel malfunctions and wont stop spinning back and forth. Its not to be hit every time you simply crash the car lol

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

I love how this went from "can you build a budget sim racer? no" to "you should buy second hand stuff for your sim racing, its very serviceable" to "the companies that make high end stuff for sim racing sent me a bunch of stuff worth as much as a new car". the next video in this series has to be McLaren or some other racing team hiring you as a driver Dawid.

[@AIfpv]

At 6:15 you gave the human kind a great gift! The freaking Nile river of meme's just got unleashed! Legend!

[@RemyL75]

Starting to wonder, with the way Dawid is acting, if we should give him some privacy. He seems VERY.... excited LOL.

[@rinyotsu2.0]

You really rocked that drifting sequence at 4:15

[@weok-doing-things]

From the first minutes of the video one thing should be noted and corrected. Why sitting, feel, FOV and quality of force feedback is important is that because when things as close 1:1 as possible to common reality of racing or driving we can start applying whole world of knowledge for that from real world. And if someone would like to use racing games to study racing tracks before trackday or something - can' emphasize enough the need for correct seating, fov and hardware for the task. So it is not only about "feel" but about procedures. And the thing called "chair driving" or "mental driving" was created way before any racing games existed. And used just like one can use simulator/racing game.

[@johnpickett5561]

Look at getting content manager for Assetto Corsa, CSP (custom shaders patch) and Sol. Put all that together and it’ll change your experience to something incredible. I simply race mainly in iRacing with a Reverb G2 and you’re right, it’s next level using a full rig in VR

[@somerandomguy7419]

That was a pretty cool overview for someone who just started sim racing and is currently using a desk mounted g920 (it's so loud) from a friend.

[@ryanblumenow]

13:42 is the exact benefit of having a more powerful wheelbase - headroom in the torque output to have the ability to get the details of the small nuanced feedback. :)

[@orangefeelrelaxingmusic898]

Really cool build , the structure is basically based from 3D printers like creality printers with wheel and pedals added but the difference in game experience is crazy

[@jaritsu]

This was a great watch. A few things to note: 1. Assembling a good sim racing frame and wheel will typically last through several generations. I used the same frame from the PS3 era until just last year, for example. 2. Direct drive is great, but comparing the Logitech G29 (which is essentially the exact same "budget" wheel they've been making for over 10 years) is a bit much. The G29 is just woefully bad by modern standards. It should legit cost like $70 as it's in that league of fisher price wheel controllers. Logitech DOES make a great DD wheel that costs about 1k all in. I ended up with that, and even though it goes to 8nm I run it around 50-60%. The good thing about Logitech's "Pro" is it has pretty good game and console support, and you can flip to to G29 "mode" for any older games that lack bespoke or configurable support. Also it has a LCD that lets you configure a lot of the settings without needing to go into the software. Sim racing is great fun. I don't play it as much these days, but I did pour like 400 hours into Forza Horizons on my frame, which made for a really unique experience. As it's essentially an open world racing RPG with pretty okay driving dynamics, made incredibly fun with a proper wheel and frame. Just putting on some tunes and cruising around the world was some of the best gaming I've done in years. I should pick up the sequel and see if the game still has it's charm.

[@FerralVideo]

Watching you pancake vehicles in my favorite driving game made me irrationally happy. You can get mods for real tracks in BeamNG, though you do have to track them down yourself. Because of licensing concerns, they can't host them in the in-game mod repo. ... that rig costs as much as a car.

[@RukaGoldheart]

Does the comparison to the car's price take in account: fuel, insurance and maintenance for daily track use.

[@justpeachy7873]

I have a trak racer rig and Moza products as well. I also happened to have a VR headset and I let my friends use it, and some of them were explaining how they were getting a "phantom feel" for being inside a real car.

[@tch0rt579]

Check out bass shakers and wind sims to up the immersion. Then the crazy high end stuff is motion rigs.

[@wagonet]

as an owner of a moza r5, i can attest that his reaction is 100% the same reaction i had. the detail is amazing.

[@Kombivar]

VR is definitely a next level for racing, I personally use Quest 3 but for better performance you may look into some dedicated SteamVR positions like Valve Index - anything openVR will do, meta requires launch app to start Steam VR which causes your PC to bottom out on the heavy load (unless you are 4090'er) Thanks for sharing this experience, looking forward for the next one!

[@GeorgeRoweUK]

Quality video Dawid, nice to get a genuine review of this stuff.

[@FOGDaheee]

Vr is a must, the sense of realism is simple mind blowing. You have to try it.

[@DailyDoseOfShrooms]

this combined with a very high quality VR headset would be absolutely mind blowing

[@YuNherd]

dam gud, companies reaching out to dawid this is gonna be fun, now on with the video. would love to see more dawid reviewing other brands as well. thanks dawid for these driving lessons.

[@ryanblumenow]

With direct drive wheelbases, particularly the higher torque ones/more powerful ones, it is very important to take your hands off the wheel if you crash. You can literally break fingers and wrists. Don't try and hold on or calm the wheel movement down after a crash. Wrestling with the wheel when *almost* crashing is something else entirely though. Hold on for that :)

[@jontastic]

For game drivers, your peak cost/performance recommendation is only a couple high end smartphones in price. I don’t enjoy driving that much, but it seems a good setup for those who do. And yes using a vr headset would greatly increase the immersion.

[@ayejay3428]

My favorite youtuber reviewing sim products when i myself am getting into sim racing is awesome. Love the content dawid.

[@dauntae24]

Yeah. I just built my rig a few weeks ago. It awesome watching him do it and his excitement using it.

[@IkerPineapple]

gotta be honest for someone who (apparently) comes from outside the simracing world, you did a really great and solid review here mate

[@IkerPineapple]

also, what you wanna do in terms of ffb, is to turn it to the max on the drivers, and lower in down in game, so that you get that full nm peak

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

With you holding onto the wheel during crashes, I'm glad you didn't decided to go for the Simucube Ultimate motor, which can reach 32 Nm of torque. That motor can actually break your wrist or arm if depending on how it twists with all that force.

[@Bravo1c]

Great video, I slowly built up to this point and honestly VR is the pinnical. I would take VR over a rig any day but do have both.

[@Dark.Syndicate]

Hello Dawid, what an incredibly awesome experience. I never thought that I would be so interested in sim-racing ever before! But now after watching your amazing thorough video I am more interested than I thought I would be. Therefore thank you so much for making this fabulous guide to sim-racing for beginners like me, & if I ever have as much money as a Saudi Prince (haha) maybe I will consider buying such a setup too. Once again, thank you Dawid. cheers 🙂

[@philiptownsend4026]

I'm working towards SIM racing collecting the hardware. I have a 32 in LG gaming monitor bought new and have a used Ryzen 7 5700G pc coming. Will probably get a Logitech 920 or 923 all with Asetto Corse. Being quite old software I'm hoping it will run well enough. I do not like large PC cases and always go for the NUC type format. Trying not to invest too much at this stage. Fourty years ago I was an amateur race driver all over NW Europe based in UK and I'm wondering how I'll do with SIM racing. Your video here is very enthusing for me at nearly 71yo. 🤓