Is Faker The Esports GOAT?

[@theScoreesports]

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[@Unknown-ev6mw]

can you guys make a video about flash !! alot of people wanna know how the whole game was nerfed for him and he still won !

[@PunCala]

3:25 is misleading, though I get what you're trying to say. That play was in semis, and while that felt like the true finals, it's still misleading.

[@jacknif3]

yes

[@jerkit9310]

Yes, and the Michael Jordan of his Esport. Still will be the "Michael Jordan" of his competition. Also not Michael Jordan since he was perfect with the bulls in his finals playoff records

[@SammyCee23]

@@jerkit9310 More like Tom Brady then

[@ansarysahab]

TheScore esports workers would be flipping burgers without faker

[@Ymalky10]

A lot of people would be fr

[@eliesaba7395]

I came here to write the same thing. Like ffs find a different topic!!

[@chriswoolard7962]

Most in esports would

[@chriswoolard7962]

I'm also tired of reading this same pathetic shit.

[@pr3ludejr]

Haters gonna hate.

[@Astrohhh]

I've never played a single game of League in my life... and I know hardly anything about the game. But I still tune in and watch Faker play during championship games. He's just special and you get that feeling that you're watching a legend.

[@starlight-os7lj]

Same! I don't play League and I know nothing about this game. But Faker made me believe, made me learn more about him and the game, and made me tune in all over his games. He's just that guy ❤

[@LoyabaSalam]

Exactly and also I got goosebumps watching his trailers and documentary even though I didn't play LOL. I play Valorant.

[@jasonroque5588]

same! never ever played it, however I know faver and I watch him even though i don't understand the gameplays. I just know kill enemy and destroy the buildings. His life story really touched something to my emotions that is the reason i really support him.

[@superworde]

Same man ! Same !

[@MonodySeraphine]

​@@starlight-os7lj lol I don't feel alone anymore I started watching Pro Play in 2022 and took like 8 months to fully understand what every champ does But It all goes away when Faker Pulls of his Magic

[@steamedbunnft4477]

Form is temporary, Faker is forever

[@jeroldraevenmicahcabacunga4205]

A new era, the same empire

[@mrparkx2]

The highest mountain, the longest river

[@DeltaBun]

The past, the present, and the future

[@mrparkx2]

The unkillable Demon King, rebuilds his throne with the skull's of his enemy!

[@EashRain0133]

​@@mrparkx2nah, that unkillable demon king line was just cringe, "the unkillable demon king, unkillable one more time" was better

[@pitzuki4849]

Tomorrow another Faker video. I will be waiting for it guys

[@lagerinopino6012]

I'm really waiting for that 🎉

[@mattheww1930]

Well what other vid do you want them to make? Even more so why would they make anything else when you watch a faker vid even though there are others about Tekken, Dota, and other games which you completely ignore.

[@kizaruuuuuph]

Had to reach the monthly quota

[@ushannilumindajayawardana1607]

I'll see you then

[@NTT-ox4oo]

Faker is literally the face of eSports. You know him even if you not into games that how famous he is. He is like Messi or CR7 you know him somewhere somehow but you cannot denied it.

[@lugas3090]

Ain’t no way you compared faker to Messi and Ronaldo

[@Gamber63]

​@@lugas3090Ain't no way u didn't

[@EdgeGilid]

"All roads lead to him"

[@Unknown-ev6mw]

@@NTT-ox4oo faker got 4 balls now wolf said so in his stream 😆😆😂

[@buenvidanadz1969]

@@lugas3090 Yeah, it was a mistake by OP. He shouldn't have compared Faker to them especially against Ronaldo 'cause Faker is tiers above when it comes to accomplishing things in his field.

[@coffee.muggle]

Faker is the Past, Present, and the Future of theScore esports contents.

[@jshika]

what makes faker the GOAT is not only the fame he has, but because of the size of gut he has. This guy doesnt fear trying risky plays in a match where few millions are watching, risky plays that can be either a super play that will be remembered forever or a throw that will be saved as gif and get humiliated by haters. Most of his tries were successful and that's why he is remembered as the goat.

[@CDodger24]

Faker got balls of steel and is accompanied by his ridiculous skill.

[@shinodamasaru7945]

the only man who introduce meta, like jungler mid.

[@justincosingan9159]

Probably the only player in the league who introduced champions who aren't necessarily for mid lane like Yi, Riven, Irelia.

[@bbrother92]

What makes him so good?

[@jshika]

@@bbrother92 it's just a gifted talent. it's a born thing that varies person by person. that's why some are performing 100 out of 100 without burden and then performing way less in big stages.

[@rikkyrik537]

Some if not most FPS players can tell that faker is the Goat of the leauge, but MOBA players cant tell which player is the Goat for CSGO or VALORANT. And that's just how Faker's name is so highly relevant even to this day. He's been the face of Esport.

[@GamesRain]

That's actually a really important point you are making. I know people hate judging players based on popularity, but if you are looking for the greatest gamer of all time, popularity and worldwide influence is extremely important in this category - as important as their achievements. If you take this into account, Faker is undeniably the GOAT of esport and no one comes even remotely close. The amount of influence Faker brings into esports will most likely never be matched.

[@serhiy-serhiiv]

​@@GamesRainNo? No one here knows who faker is. Despite being into eSports, I was not aware of him until I started watching this channel. Meanwhile s1mple's victories get broadcast on national news, and every second child aspires to be him.

[@siegeah7754]

@@serhiy-serhiiv You're probably an outlier. You're on the extreme side of the graph just as I was since I wasn't aware of s1mple's existence for quite a long time. And that's saying something since I used to play csgo with my friends back in high school. Granted, we were all trash, our lobbies weren't very good, and we played in a region where most people speak a language none of us understand. That being said, Faker's name is still the most widely known by an insanely huge margin.

[@Eva_xoxo]

uhm my friends irl dont know faker

[@siegeah7754]

@@Eva_xoxo Uhh yeah, nobody is saying that Faker's name is as close in popularity as Jesus. It's just... up there with some of the greats.

[@benniwd2077]

Imo a big reason why faker is the goat of esports is just how big of a name he is. I knew faker before i even played a single game of League or mobas in general and many of my friends never played a game of league and still know faker and know about his status. And thats some no other Player achieved to this extent. The only one to be close is probably s1mple, but s1mple is basically unknown in asia while faker is well known all around the world.

[@fadzera]

fact

[@yodatxt3024]

Faker is waaaaaaay better at League then s1mple is at CS. They are not on the same level.

[@111-rg8]

Faker is literally held in the same pedestal in SK as names like BTS. He is that fucking big over there. In terms of sheer influence and popularity, nobody comes even close to this guy in the esports scene.

[@KennethGavilaguin]

faker, son heungmin, bts

[@Gamber63]

​@@yodatxt3024If simple is much more humble n' respectful, yes he can be, but the only thing that holds him back is his ego

[@sangpenikam7]

There was a video of Crown and CoreJJ hanging out in a bar just a few years after they took down the SKT dynasty. CoreJJ : Even if I win and everyone says I am the best when time passes, people forget. Crown: Of course. For all things. CoreJJ: All things. Crown: But I still remember Muhammad Ali CoreJJ and Crown laughs CoreJJ: Even if year pass, I guess people won't forget Faker. Crown: Yeah CoreJJ: Yeah, it's like that... These words coming from 2 players who defeated Faker in world final and started to understand what it meant to stay on top.

[@bolaks-q2y]

and even when you remove him from the top he (Faker) will climb it back again, a reference to his 2015-2017 run -> being defeated -> then reigniting his Empire in a new era (2022-present) "A new era, the same empire"

[@Esquizoclown]

I believe so, even if I prefer FPSs over MOBAs. Because he is constantly in Mainstream and top tier. We don't find these kind of overwhelming good performance in any other eSports athletic.

[@arushdemi677]

FlaSh has entered the chaT

[@Loc123cool]

​@@arushdemi677 Who?

[@karumida2013]

​@@arushdemi677 Who?

[@mrparkx2]

@@arushdemi677 Flash left btw

[@ronryanlopez9993]

​@@arushdemi677Barry Allen? 😅

[@Hibernape]

Yknow, I never really considered the fact that League has been around for 15 years with hundreds of millions of players everyday AND YET there's still one name that stands atop everybody else. That is an insane legacy to live through and eventually leave behind. I wonder who the next "Faker" is going to be.

[@supreme5998]

There’s no next Faker. He’s actually gone beyond the reach of anyone ever catching up. Even if the game lasted another 11 years.. it’s hard to say anyone could win 5 championships, 7 finals appearances, back to back win, twice. There’s no second greatest in LoL because Faker is so far ahead.

[@yuhan4469]

the thing with expecting a futire player to break the record is like if jordan, lebron and kobe had a baby in the nba that had the explosive impact, the mentality and longevity in the game to win 5 rings in a row and do it the same time 20 years later. if i had to quantify it, it would be this way since the drop off in mechanical skill takes much much shorter for esport players than your average basketball player's athletecism

[@installwizard3596]

Once Faker retire from pro league, the LoL esport will die with it or perhaps LoL itself.

[@rwagingsloth9528]

@@supreme5998 Faker will never be usurped in LoL, but what about Esports as a whole? its arguable that at this point nobody matches what faker has accomplished in LoL, in other titles. it's one thing to have 5 world championships, but to have 2 of those championships 11 years apart(first and last) is actually insane to think about when you consider the average career in esports is like 5 years.

[@Kyong008]

If Lol dies in even 10 years or below, maybe there will never be another like him. If this game stays for long nearing and after Faker's eventual retirement, there's a chance of another Faker, if not, a player better than Faker. Everything falls to time, after all

[@hbups]

I think there are a few things that, to me, set Faker apart from anyone. Firstly, he has to be the most humble out of all the mentioned "GOATS" of their respective games. You NEVER hear about Faker saying something he shouldnt've, doing something wrong or anything like that. He keeps completely to himself and is a GENUINELY good role model for those that look up to him, he is quite literally the complete opposite of the League community. Secondly, there have been players who have been completely dominant in their respective games for long periods but to me what sets Faker apart is that fact that he has evolved WITH the game and is STILL head and shoulders above the competition, even 10+ years later. With players and teams alike specifically targetting him and his playstyle to stop him and yet he STILL has found ways to outperform and carry at the highest level. To do that for say 3 years would be impressive, but 10??? On the biggest stage in all of eSports he still continues to be the best, convincingly. Coming back to how he has evolved, he went from a player who was the best mechanical player in the world to someone who had to lead a team of VERY young players, guide them, help them, etc. And he did it. And he won worlds with them. Twice. In a row. It's just unheard of. Lastly, he has completely and utterly transcended League. The game with over 150 million monthly players and yet he is STILL more widely known than even that. In South Korea he is as, if not more, famous than the likes of BTS and Son Hueng-Min (who himself is a FAN of Faker and T1). EVERYONE knows Faker. EVERYONE watches when he plays. He's on the levels of Messi and Ronaldo in the terms of everyone is tuning in to see him play, to witness his magic before it's too late. I think a lot of people would agree when I say it's honestly kind of a privilage to be able to watch someone of that calibre perform like he does. It's amazing. I mean he alone is the reason I even know about League. He has done more for League or even just eSports as a whole than anyone other game, player, team or org. (Keria is my goat though)

[@HarryofIberia]

true there is a reason why faker mentioned as one of korea's national treasure. i mean no disrespect to flash, but in the general public knowledge about esport, faker is the face of it, no doubt about that and it's not even close to the second of whoever that is

[@sunkoolee5424]

I'm an Esports fan for 30 years. I couldn't imagine an esports player can maintain the form for over 10 years. Gamers ageing curve is real and hard. They peak for very short period. Pretty sure Faker is the GOAT of Esports. He is just unbelieverble.

[@maulikgaming5906]

30 years ? Which esport were you watching in 1994 😭

[@sunkoolee5424]

@@maulikgaming5906 very early stage Warcraft 2 compatitions and Virtual Fighter 3 compatiotions in Korea.

[@maulikgaming5906]

@ oh

[@marceloprates5373]

Daigo hello???

[@skrattaoppar9753]

​@@marceloprates5373the difference is fighting games don't have a regular season. If Daigo plays for 8 months he probably wont survive

[@Zephyr77]

What makes the big 3 in tennis (federer, nadal, djokovic) so insane is also their longevity. Borg and McEnroe achieved similar levels of dominance in their peak years, but the big 3 did it for 15 years. Faker is similar in this regard, but unlike tennis, there's just him.

[@juliancaesar4575]

You didn’t just compare a gamer to a physical athlete? 😂 you dweebs overestimate everything in life, he will never come close to the greats of real sport

[@Zephyr77]

@@juliancaesar4575 I'm a pretty solid league and tennis player, masters and 4.0, and I can tell you that there are a lot of similarities in becoming good at them. Certainly the difference of individual versus team competition is a greater difference than that of being a game and a sport in this instance. I also think faker isn't even close to being as good at league as the big 3 were/are at tennis, I was just pointing out that longevity is an extremely rare trait in all competition, and it truly sets the goats apart from the historic players.

[@skelet8337]

Let's put a tennis player in a league match and see him get destroyed one isn't easier than the other they are different skills.​@@juliancaesar4575

[@bbrother92]

Why he is so good?

[@freddienaga398]

I never played LOL but when it comes to the world's I would not miss watching Faker and T1 and also Deft play. I also watch the worlds of almost every games and there are legends in their own game. But when it comes to FAKER he is just a Demi God of eSports.

[@arianne888]

The Olympics youtube page just dropped a video with volleyball super star kim yeon-koung and Faker. I dont know whether this is a sign that the esports will finally be accepted as an olympic sport/medal event. But it sure is amazing to see Faker representing. Aside from his achievements, his mentality and dedication to lol/esports makes him the best person to be the face of esports.

[@danielandrada4740]

There is olympic esports now

[@arianne888]

@danielandrada4740 they did. But the events that they included did not have the popular esports titles. I think the 2025 games, will be revamped and will include titles that are more familiar with the masses. Some rumors that lol might be included.

[@danielandrada4740]

@@arianne888 Pretty sure it was already in the approved list

[@siridanny9087]

2025 have olympic esports

[@x6da9crain]

Comparing him to solo player games is crazy. Solo itd you vs 1 other person. Faker is dominating in a TEAM game. So much more pieces to think about

[@Mije101-bz8ph]

True, but he has also had, and currently has, fantastic teammates that help him win. I personally think it is more impressive to dominate in a 1v1 game, but I do think Faker is the esports GOAT. Championships, peak, longevity, how popular the game is/how many people play it making it a deeper talent pool to compete against, etc. It's undeniable.

[@vinhphatchau8507]

@@Mije101-bz8ph Yeah but a team effort always will be undeniably more impressive. Just the thought having not the world favourite roster came into clutch and overly dominant compare to regional and global best rosters/players. And still, delivered a banger and came out on top. On the other hand, 1v1 is just one person skills compare to the opponent, while co-op games are rather a combination of that and teamwork, strategy, coordination, and trust.

[@AaryanRKO]

@@Mije101-bz8ph would you say Messi isnt as impressive as Carlson, well tbh I would say carlson is more impressive, still the point stands

[@anautumnleaf8904]

@@AaryanRKODifference in in solo games there is no luck factor. So if you lose it’s because of you 100%. Team games there is the chance that someone in your team might not perform up to standard on the day and that’s enough for someone like Faker to lose. I think solo games are one dimensional compared to team games.

[@addamriley5452]

Yeah but had to rebuild his team multiple times… and he is the constant.

[@eajayy8969]

For reference, my little sister has zero idea about league. She was born when the game came out, but she knows every single time faker won a championship without me having to mention it.

[@chalkenjoyer]

Faker is the Father of the LPL

[@jackalthakomodo5257]

Okay but now you guys need to make a true video educating people on Flash. He's currently returned to competitive Starcraft and I feel like people don't understand how big Starcraft still is in Korea and that these guys are still playing. He's been dominating for so long.

[@4GodSoLovedCR]

Agreed

[@PhilomenaMerritt-e5e]

So chill, great atmosphere in this vid!

[@Mr_Tovarish]

hey i watched all your BW and SC2 vids cuz SC2 is my favorite esport by far. our community appreciates the attention even if others don't!

[@1992pv]

Faker is the GOAT of esports. He needs a hall of fame for esports and he should be entry number 1.

[@whitneysmiltank]

No he's not

[@toad7395]

@@whitneysmiltank this why u got cooked by whitney

[@mosessinanta8005]

​@@toad7395 bro just dropkicked an orphan

[@clydevillamor217]

He solidified this status before he won his 4th 😭😭

[@cl0ud.ret4iner]

The 5th was just a flex and a reminder that only him and T1 are the only one so far worthy enough to wear the crown

[@seunghoonyu6863]

I will never forget Boxer and Yellow. The stars that practically brought the terminology e-sports to life.

[@AMightyStorm]

Boxer being the founder of T1 makes him incredible in itself

[@reyrey9752]

My 57 year old boss J. Without saying his name doesn’t know what league is but knows who Faker is

[@Tamnier-z2f]

Faker started playing 10 years ago when I first started league, in esports when every name is unfamiliar it's good to see someone from the old guard still on top of his game.

[@kisekirigaya50]

Faker is the e-sports goat, period end of discussion, he is beyond his game, he is known world wide and makes people gravitate to to play his game off the back of his play, flash is legendary, but faker is at that status in a game that still has a booming sports scene and still competing in it, that's the difference, when you get inducted as the first player in the hall of fame as an active player that's how you know your the goat.

[@mashiroo5542]

Even the president of the Korea congratulated T1 and Faker when they won World 2023, that feat alone is enough to cement Faker's name as the greatest. Like imagine being thanked by the leader of your country by winning a game tournament, that's fking huge

[@realHH139]

Asking this (video title) question is such a disrespect for the Tien Ma Faker, the divine scholar and the immortal demon king's human form. he has a museum and statues of himself, his official title is either God, or Demon King, a building after his name, married to Mercedes-Benz KR, They have Faker Worship Temple, where they go literally on their knees and bow down to give thanks and ask for blessings. they call him the reincarnation of Admiral Yi Sun-Shin, the hero guardian that saved Korea from JP invasion long ago. And I'm speaking as a Korean.

[@kaiwen]

The thing about Faker is that Flash isnt as recognized as Faker is in the same country. Faker is a recognized Name in Korea as Son Heung Min; BTS; Boo Jong Hoon and Kim Yuna. Faker is freed from military service, is part Owner of T1, The community besides iwd and thorin followers like him. He is the goat of esports and it doesnt come close

[@Fohnzii]

Thank you for mentioning Flash. He is the goat.

[@jasonchen4312]

different eras and games, similar dominance. flash's stat's are insane 2007: Flash became one of the youngest progamers to be televised at the age of 14. 2008: Flash won the Bacchus OSL at age 15 2010: Flash won five of the eight premier tournaments he competed in, including the World Cyber Games, two OnGameNet Starleagues, and two MBCGame StarCraft Leagues. 2014: Flash won the IEM championship in Toronto. Flash's other accomplishments include: 3x OSL champion (2008, 2009, 2010) 3x MSL champion (2010, 2011) 4x ASL champion (2016, 2017, 2019)

[@Unknown-ev6mw]

2 time bonjwa alot of missing here 😂

[@mithex8414]

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yess

[@Galactic123]

Flash is Pele, Faker is if Messi and Ronaldo became 1 person.

[@Mimii232]

Skip add 0:41

[@Marin-y6u]

Thankyou

[@a.syching678]

not only is the longevity mind boggling but also the adaptability, league has gone through many patches and Faker is still able to keep up with the young guns. Don't forget he had health issues with his wrist and gets constantly DDOS'd to the point he can't play or practice for weeks but that didn't stop him from taking the worlds last year and this year.

[@GraveXSensei]

Once again, when you need someone, when you need anyone to stand up, and show, just what this game's is all about, it's FAKER ~ 🐐

[@ryugaroxas]

such a great video . Faker truly inspire all gamer and saved League

[@itshiku]

where a game that has many meta changes, theres just no denying that he is literally the goat of eSports. yeah hes had some failures during finals, msi, and the downfall of after 2017 but you cant escape the fact he won back to back AGAIN.

[@eNaito316]

He's been the goat since his 3rd Worlds win. And next year when we wins the 6th, this wont even be a debate anymore (unless you talk to dota players, they will try to talk about whoever FakerDota is)

[@에스카노르-i8j]

5번 우승 했는데도 아직도 GOAT 논쟁거리가 되야하나?? ㅋㅋㅋ

[@valmiro4164]

It's actually funny how dota players try to diminish him in their subreddit. They're that insecure about their irrelevance.

[@SeungNam]

Flash VS Faker reminds me of Jordan VS LeBron. Flash had higher highs and no one even dared question his individual ability, and was considered the GOAT long before he stopped playing (for a while), like Jordan. Faker had the double renaissance and a sustained excellence over an insanely unbelievable amount of time in a much more competitive age, like LeBron. Whoever you support, they're insane.

[@kirbykrusher2k464]

ohh i would have said Faker = Kobe cause they both have 5 rings

[@111-rg8]

The difference is that Faker doesn't have a flop compilation tho

[@chesterryangarcia8216]

flash who?

[@voidlalhriatrenga3321]

who is even flash

[@kirbykrusher2k464]

@@voidlalhriatrenga3321 the greatest esport player in a game Starcraft This game esport is consider the grandfather of modern esports as if you look back at old VOD how tournament and esports event were ran and hosted that model is used still to this day but instead of youtube twitch and mobile device to watch esport it was only watched on TV as we did not have that technology back then Flash - Starcraft Brood war esport player was looked to as a god similar to how the modern esports see faker as a god

[@brisankatarafder6395]

people just don't know how goated flash was and his impact on new generation of esports. in the afreeca tv tournament the tournament hosts tried to stop him from winning and he still won

[@QuietRiot69]

Faker + Daigo Parry = theSccore esports

[@Kyong008]

He's probably one of the reasons why Asian Games had Esports in the first place, and it also helps that he plays the game w/ the best-managed esports. A lot of esports players across different games have the storylines, career, and accolades to be considered GOATs in their games (Ryan Hart, Daigo, Arslan Ash, Maru, Serral, SonicFox, Jwong, s1mple, Puppey, Infiltration, Knee, and Turbopolsa are the ones on top of my head) but no doubt that Faker is the GOAT of esports in general. His influence knows no bounds, and his longevity speaks for itself

[@sonicboom722]

The down playing of fighting games is so dirty lol

[@ButterButNotCookies]

The Ultimate Weapon vs The Unkillable Demon King We need a Netflix documentary of this.

[@Aaaaamon]

Yes. No need for a 8 minute video

[@shushthetwooo]

ayt im out

[@whitneysmiltank]

No you are wrong

[@DenselyPerfect]

@@whitneysmiltankGive a reason then, otherwise you have nothing

[@whitneysmiltank]

@@DenselyPerfect Flash plays a MUCH harder game and has dominated that game since 2007-2008. Only player to even dare to try playing random in a tournament since like 1999. You can't be the "GOAT" if you play a MOBA. I like MOBAs and play them myself and respect faker a lot but this is not even close to a discussion. And the "player base" argument the host of the video gives is not a very good one as the game of starcraft was only super popular in one country. And it's not like the international competition of league makes it a challenge to korea so the higher player base holds no competitive value either way. It's a non-argument.

[@sebastianlnberg920]

@@whitneysmiltank if people dont know who "flash" is he aint no goat xD People who dont play or watch LoL is watching Faker play lol

[@MangoMotors]

Back to back Faker vids. Lets go

[@RiotGamesINDIA]

A new era. The same dynasty. Form is temporary. Faker is forever. It’s not the LPL vs the LCK. It’s T1 vs the LPL, and they like those odds. These quotes go hard af.

[@VladZer0]

One of the biggest differences Faker has on anyone he makes casual and retired lol players come back to watch him every year at worlds, he's is the whole reason a lot of people still care about lol pro scene

[@GameTheoristz]

Why does the title have a question mark?????

[@ricoa283]

Because people in the CSGO community and FGC were not pleased with Faker being called the GOAT, even though he is.

[@Thraiel]

​@@ricoa283CS fans would sneer at absolutely everything that isn't their game.

[@111-rg8]

​@@ricoa283 Opinions are automatically invalid if it comes from CS fans

[@Stormhunter117]

Because Flash exists

[@jae3913]

​@@ricoa283hello cs fan here and faker is the GOAT

[@ndkbigmoney4853]

I don’t play League in any regard and yet I STILL know that there are only three guarantees in life…Death, taxes, and that Faker is the eSports goat.

[@CDrocKS]

theScore Esports, this is the 7th year in a row you've shown this video to the class

[@Alfrebaut]

I think something that shouldn't be overlooked is how T1 looked in summer of '23. The same year they won worlds, with only swapping out Faker, they could barely win a game. His impact is truly incalculable.

[@SupemeatmAn]

8:55 minutes jsut to say Yes

[@kagerou254]

In terms of GOATS and longevity in fighting games Daigo Tokido and Justin should be mentioned, Tokido just won a Premier more than 20 years after he first won EVO in 2002

[@shonen84]

Flash and Faker being compared is correct. These two are the gods of esports

[@kedjfj798]

lol 150m player base vs 1m

[@J3dotgg]

@@kedjfj798 1m at a time where only a fraction of the world was even online and a title for which you had to buy a box copy, it's not a fair comparison

[@kirbykrusher2k464]

@@kedjfj798 this was in a time when esport was consider a joke and where everything was not digital video for everyone to see you either had to be there a watch or get lucky and they broadcasted it on TV but i don't remember that happening a lot

[@111-rg8]

​@@J3dotgg That's kinda the point, eSports is a thousand times more competitive now that it is back then

[@Ice_Icemb]

@@J3dotgg That's the point. Esports is much more accessible and competitive than back then.

[@jungLMAO]

Damn 8 videos about faker in a month. Faker singlehandedly keeping theScore channel alive

[@knad3]

yes, he's not just the esports goat but he's on the shortlist for goat of athletes, jordan, messi, lebron, etc

[@owenhollow8247]

There can be countless debates if Faker is really the GOAT of eSports, but what he's done for League of Legends is truly astonishing. I'm sure people thought Worlds 23 victory run was it, but he ends up winning Worlds 24 too, where he ends up showing he's still good enough to lead his team to victory. In a critical situation where the opposing team is one game away from victory, he stands resolute and calm, makes game winning plays I'm sure very few players would be able to and clutches Game 4 and 5. His long career run and accolades are not just inspiring new beginner players to play this game and leave a mark but also lighting up a fire within retired league of legend players to make their comeback and fight for the crown again.

[@hellow4164]

“At this time (2022 worlds finals) it’s had been 5 years since Faker had even won a domestic title” I think you meant to say 5 years since he reached a worlds finals. Faker won 2 LCK titles in 2019, 1 in 2020 and 1 in 2022.

[@yendayo]

My friends who have never watched or played League know Faker.

[@KTSamurai1]

faker's greatest strength is all the free marketing he gets from riot themselves. he's likely the best to have ever played the game but when it comes to be being known it helps to have riot's infinite money glitch behind you constantly putting your name and face on everything

[@John_Lloyd]

Don't get it twisted, without faker, riot wouldn't go big into the eSports scene, it benefits both party. Faker put the league on the map, so it's befitting for him to be the face of it. Haven't you seen 2018 & 2020 worlds championships? The viewership were lower because T1 wasn't able to qualify for it, it goes to show that riot doesn't need to market faker, faker himself is the marketing

[@111-rg8]

It goes both ways. Take note that the LOL esports is actually being carried singlehandedly by T1, most notably Faker.

[@user-c3jdf9lylzse]

@@John_Lloyd league esport was already big before faker even became pro, infinite money glitch? you're talking about valve

[@KTSamurai1]

@@John_Lloyd riot was already enjoying worldwide success via their esports scene long before faker ever showed up. he's been a great addition, sure. but he did not put league on the map. his entire career took off because it was already the map it does benefit both parties for sure. but as the video admits other have comparable success but just dont happen to be playing the biggest game on the planet at the moment (and enjoying the marketing from that game)

[@KTSamurai1]

@@111-rg8 t1 is very popular yes but they alsmost didnt even make worlds and plenty of other teams have ravenous fanbases. theyre not single handedly doing anything, they just excelling in the most successful video game going right now they did fall and the league kept on growing and new players stepped into the limelight. it just happens to be really cool and interesting that theyre back, perfect story for sports fans

[@skrattaoppar9753]

The difference between Faker and any other greats in esports is Faker plays in a circuit that has a regular season. No one out there in fps, fgc and rts can play 8 months and practice on the weekdays and still has the mental fortitude to keep going, for over 10 years.

[@UnityAmongstChaos]

I am a huge Flash proponent. With that said, I think it is safe to now compare him with Faker. I do not think that Faker is better yet, but in the next few years we will know for sure. Flash is coming back from military, and we will find out if he still has his Godhood.

[@MrYanson1209]

If Flash returns as himself back then, in this era, then he is the greatest.

[@jackalthakomodo5257]

@@MrYanson1209 Flash returned and is currently ranked #1 on the Starcraft ladders again

[@MrYanson1209]

@@jackalthakomodo5257 huh? What tourney did he played? Last time i checked, the world champ is Clem and Korean's best is still Maru.

[@jackalthakomodo5257]

@@MrYanson1209 Starcraft Remastered is still being played by the top pros. Not SC2

[@MrYanson1209]

@@jackalthakomodo5257 ... If what you said is true then Flash is out of contention. Dude returns and didnt even get updated. Anyone stuck on the past cannot be the greatest.

[@Bocki]

By all measures you listed, the GOAT of eSports didn't even come up as a side note. Jonathan Fatal1ty Wendel He won the Lifetime Achievement Award at a gaming convention when Faker was 11 years old and has received multiple Lifetime Achievement Awards and Hall of Fame entries since. He held the earnings record of all of esports for 6 years after retirement. He became World Champion in 5 different games! He was the face of esports when most people had never heard the word. He came, dominated his whole career and every single game he touched, and then went and made gaming better by creating Gamer related hardware. Gaming in general and esports especially wouldn't be where it is today without fatal1ty.

[@rhydondaddy]

Juuuuuust long enough for those midroll ads. Nice

[@Fer-gf8wn]

More videos about Faker and I’ll watch them all

[@TylerGambino]

You cannot talk about longevity and not mention Joseph "Mang0" Marquez, the youngest and the oldest melee player to win a Major

[@T1ZOFGKKINGS]

Who?

[@bolaks-q2y]

who?

[@spaceglidinmio2388]

who?

[@AMightyStorm]

hmmm, 33 major tourney wins, started in 2007 and is still playing pro.... that's pretty worthy of attention I cannot lie

[@otimelyofficial8146]

Yes and it’s not even close. Who could you even say that would challenge him for the spot? He’s the best player in the most popular game in the most difficult genre and has been for over a decade, 7 time world champion(2x msi 5x worlds). 10+ time regional champion. Only player to have multiple back to backs. Who else has a resume like that?

[@joshi1295]

He may very well be the most dominant human to ever touch any discipline.

[@TheExFloridaMan]

Idk about that, theres that one dude who won the French National Scrabble Champ without speaking French. Faker would have to go to NA and win worlds for him to get that title imo.

[@DajuSar]

@@TheExFloridaMan sheeeesh the disrespect OMG

[@ZeremiasS]

Have you ever heard of Mijain Lopez? The guy got gold medal in FOUR consecutive olympic games, dominated his discipline for 13 years. That's just the first name I thought of, but I bet there are more dominant people out there.

[@honeytoasttsu3268]

@@TheExFloridaManI’m playing competitive scrabble back in my high school days around 5 years ago, I used to be #3 in the southern part of thailand high school league (which isn’t that impressive bc my country is much smaller than usa) but the point is I know Scrabble definitely doesn’t need you to know or speak that language, it mostly just memorization and pattern recognition, back then I don’t know 97%+ of the word I play. I just need to know that this word can be play and which one worth memorize, we have a complete guide book on Scrabble as our school is very competitive, but guess what, 80% of player don’t know shit about english lol. Even right now I’m still don’t even know more than half the word I used to play, what is meaning of HAJ / JEU / RAJ / JUA? I don’t fucking know lmao, I just know I can play it

[@thaddeuss6140]

John Brzenk’s arm wrestling dominance is the craziest thing I have ever seen

[@Qbone_]

I love how he compares everything even player numbers and how revelant a game is then talks about starcraft player.

[@RiskLight920]

Flash isn't comparable to Faker you already mention the playerbase and competition SC:BW or starcraft in general is niche game.

[@Gottagoslower]

As harsh as it is and as much as SC did for esports in it's early days I gotta agree. The playerbase and market isn't even close to being comparable to todays era of esports.

[@꼬북칩-m7h]

플레이어 베이스가 전 세계적인 게임이라 한들 지금도 한국이 세계최고인건 변함없어 당시 스타크래프트는 한국에서 지금의 롤보다 더 큰 국민게임이었다고😂 Flash와 Faker는 정말 우열을 가리기 힘들어

[@Ice_Icemb]

@@꼬북칩-m7h Over its lifetime, Starcraft and brood war combined sold only 4,500,000 units in South Korea. Just right now, League of Legends has 20,000,000 players currently in South Korea. Their popularity is not close.

[@Dhakhar]

@@Ice_Icemb Not surprising that the easier game of the two is more popular, SC has a much higher skill-floor than LoL . Regardless, neither of those metrics are really relevant in this discussion. Would you discount the talent of Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen because theyre only competing vs 19 others?

[@Ice_Icemb]

@@Dhakhar That’s not a comparable example at all. If there was another version of F1 where somehow there was an easy barrier of entry with millions of competitors, then I would absolutely value that much higher than Verstappen vs 19 competitors, but that’s obviously impossible because of the logistics and costs of F1.

[@gabriellepedragosa9155]

Goat stat for Faker -5x world championship (2x back to back champ) -has more skins than 24% of the game's champions( 9skin) -LpL's Father (sorry LpL). -Only player to become Hall of Famer while still Playing -Has his own Gods Home( Faker Museum) -only Player/team to have mini movie / documentary 2023 run at worlds. -has never lost a best-of-five series at the World Championship to a Chinese (LPL) team. ( sorry again LpL) -Faker What was that? (sorry Ryu) -refused blank check offers from China and North America” -All road leads to me

[@Kalikid89]

The fuck kinda question is this?

[@babsguette0919]

im glad they changed the title from ad reader to host

[@comfyren]

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[@daname1491]

It think what makes him so different now to every other league pro is how damn calculated he is at everything. He has played this game for so long that I doubt there is a single angle or move that he hasn't seen before in pro play. The moment the enemy makes a single step out of position he will capitalize on it.

[@timaragon]

Most viewership and most popular esport does not equate to the most competitive or hardest. And, I'm saying this as someone who loves League of Legends. SonicFox has been dominated every major game he has competed in over the last decade which is 7 DIFFERENT games. They haven't waned like Faker. SonicFox has 7 EVOs for a reason which is an international tournament with an open bracket tournament unlike League. League's Worlds is a team game and it still only had 100 players across 20 teams for their biggest international tournament, but MK1 for EVO had over 640 entrants (Street Fighter 6 had over 5 thousand btw in this same prestigious tournament). Faker is dominant in a popular esport with more stability because of how their franchised league works. Fighting games are typically open bracket so no one is guaranteed a spot and are unstable because anyone can come from anywhere to rise to the top making it WAY harder to maintain any sort of continued dominance like SonicFox has. Hell, StarCraft Brood War is BY FAR the much harder game but was it as popular as League of Legends even at its peak? No. But, I'd argue that Flash is a better gamer because of how much more difficult the game is from a mechanical, macro and micro perspective. Faker is the GOAT of League and should be considered as one of the greatest gamers of our generation. But, the very best? I don't think so, but I think he'sa valid consideration. That doesn't mean you get to knock on other esports scenes and say it isn't close. It's very disingenuous to think that the most viewed esport means it's the hardest or most competitive either. Other games exist theScore esports, stop pretending that only CounterStrike, Dota 2 and League of Legends are the only ones that matter in these conversations.

[@FizzLeeague]

To be honest, I think your opening statement is just flatly wrong. The playerbase size does literally equate to how competitive a game is. Magnus Carlsen is so exceptional because SO many people play chess and yet he embarrasses everyone almost all of the time. Faker has the largest pool of competition of any esports (and it isn't close) and he has been the best for a very long time. Also - more competition leads to a higher rate of improvement because everyone learns from each other.

[@waylee7121]

i actually really don't believe that faker is the greatest gamer ever too, and i hecking love him! The thing is, what makes faker great apart from his skill and consistency is how he carries himself. Most gamers have some sort of controversial takes and moments but faker has none, making him the perfect face of gaming. a 5 time world champion with a holier-than-thou attitude? people will eat that up and validly so

[@san8838]

I respect SonicFox but he aint the goat, but the thing is unlike MOBA or FPS game, fighting game isn't really a mainstream game I will call SonicFox goat if he single-handedly makes Fighting game mainstream game or famous on the other side Faker which is the goat of esports made League a mainstream game and famous due to his mechanics which leads him to his championship on early years Plus, you saying that there are other games harder than league is stupid its like saying Michael Jordan and Messi shouldnt be the very best on sports since baseball or rugby is much harder sports or even boxing and those are more harder sports Its not like sports have one Goat we have Messi, MJ, Ali and so on, and these people I mentioned are so famous that they are recognized even if you know nothing of the sport And Faker is the Goat and the very best on esports could ever see because the mastery of one sport is already special I respect SonicFox really have watch him sometimes, but he aint the GOAT, make him Fighting game mainstream Goat and very best is earned not by playing hard competition, Let's try someone who play FPS pro a MOBA game I guarantee you he will never be a pro level or if you believe SonicFox is the greatest esports player let him play League??? You see the point???

[@timaragon]

​​​@@FizzLeeague I do think the size of competition and competitive players is a factor to consider, but it is not the end all or be all. The complexity of the game itself has to come into question because that is where techiques, mechanics, strategy and whatnot can be measured. Your comparison itself can show this. Chess is popular and Magnus Carlsen is exceptional but he's playing a solved game where every possible move has been figured out and defined by a computer. Compare that to the game of GO which is a simpler game rules wise but is by far a more complex game that no computer can play at a professional level unlike chess. It is not a solved game by any means and is considered the most deeply strategic game ever made. That leads to the question. Would you consider Magnus Carlsen the greatest board game player in his domination of chess that is essentially a solved game? Or, would it be Go Seigen, a historic Go player that pioneered the modern way to play a strategic game where the correct/perfect answer is impossible to determine because of the strategic complexity? In short, I'm saying there's no correct answer to this whole thing and people will have their own values and opinions on it. There's so many factors to consider in what makes the best gamer. Player size is a factor and it matters. Strategic and mechanical depths of a game are a factor and they matter. Frankly, games of different genres require different skill sets and calling someone the greatest gamer means excelling in all facets. More complex and more mechanically demanding games are by nature just more competitive because it is harder to win and be competing and League of Legends is not the hardest mechanically or more complex game around. So, that should be a factor. And, dismissing other games just for being smaller without considering their mechanics, complexity and whatnot is just being disingenuous. To show perhaps a bit more simply to why your argument for playerbase size is just a fallacy, let's do a real sports comparison. If your argument is to be believed, soccer should be the most competitive athletic sport in the world, right? Since it's by far the most popular? Or do we consider studies from Physicists using the winning ratio that argue that baseball and the MLB might be the most competitive sport? Or, do we consider what athletes consider the most exhaustive and physically demanding like boxing/MMA/combat sports? Even though those sports will by far have less competitors because of the risk involved? Should they just be dismissed from the conversation just because less players compete? Do you see what I'm getting at here? Playerbase does not inherently mean that the game is more competitive. It's just one of the factors you have to consider.

[@timaragon]

​​​@@san8838 Where did I say SonicFox was the GOAT? I was simply making an argument that they were dismissing SonicFox unfairly from the conversation. If anything, I was calling out that they were dismissing someone like SonicFox when even within the fighting game space they ignored legitimate contenders who are arguably better like Justin Wong, GO1, Kazunoko, Tokido and etc. You're also making arguments without properly explaining your thought process. Why do you believe a game being mainstream matters in it's competitive integrity or viability? Why does that matter? Why does being transcendent in one game make you the best? Your arguments are so disconnected. You're simply saying something and acting like it's fact without following through on why. They're dysfunctional at best. Like, we are on a video debating the greatest gamer yet you're making sports comparison that says there's isn't one GOAT. Please, try to be more coherent next time. You simply brushed games being harder as stupid when they are literally one of the things you measure competitve games in. Harder games are more competitive because they have more in depth mechanics something you praised Faker for. Of course, they should be a factor because you can actually measure and see strategy, mechanics, macro, micro and whatnot between games. Like, no one is going to call tic tac toe or connect four a strategically complex and mechanically demanding game. Not all games are created equal in terms of complexity-mechanically and strategically. Anyway, this will be my last reply to you because your arguments just have so many holes in them and are frankly, nonsensical.

[@MikeMike-jj8nd]

Him and Flash. Love them both.

[@istar13]

No. He is the GOAT of League of Legends. But not in esports. You just cant compare him to other players in different eSports. To each their own goats. You can just say he is the most famous eSports player. Peace

[@chengong388]

I played league around the same time as Faker's debut, so much have changed in my life, in me. But Fake is still Faker

[@1wayroad935]

Faker is the undisputed GOAT of LoL. But Flash had the competition level that Faker never did, and he did it as a solo.

[@admiralaokiji7889]

wdym LOL had an international playerbase and x10 as much competition and money than starcraft did. It's also easier to dominate single player games cause there's less variables. faker clears flash

[@NyangisKhan]

Comparing Faker to Flash is like comparing Messi to Sugar Ray Robinson. Both are goats of their respective sports. But I mean c'mon. Almost 250 million people plays soccer. While there are around 10 million people who practices boxing either casually or professionally. So mathematically Sugar Ray Robinson could finally surpass Messi in GOAThood after 25 lifetimes.

[@justincosingan9159]

he did do it as solo yes, but has he carried the game the way Faker carried LoL? No, Faker has carried the game since his first worlds title till his 5th.

[@daviddace1414]

Sure Flash was more dominant but that tends to happen in a less competitive environment. Just look at Hakuho. If we go by domination alone he's the GOAT of sports as a whole. But the guy practices sumo lol. So it's kinda hard to compare him to guys like Michael Jordan.

[@die642r]

people trashing this comment because of the popularity of LoL nowadays when it was starcraft the game that built esport lmfao

[@ElainaArcher4]

It's pretty funny how the two best contenders for the G.O.A.T of esports also happen to to be a part of T1 and KT respectivly (iykyk)

[@conneryechout7143]

bro said "flash" i said "who?"

[@kirbykrusher2k464]

search him up if a lot of people forget about the early days of esport Flash was a God to Korean who was in the gaming community

[@ViliusV85]

I think you can mention Serral these days he is one of those demon kings who come back same as Faker. And work to perfection.

[@MrYanson1209]

Still far behind, Serral needs to maintain his dominance to be even considerednhere, but Clem said no multiple times, so..

[@FantasKanal]

Faker is the first, and so far only player in the LoL Hall of Legends. And while Flash has "God" or "The Ultimate Weapon" as a title, Fakers is "The Unkillable Demon King" Gods can die, weapong be destroyed, but the Demon King? Nah, he wont die.

[@kirbykrusher2k464]

actually demon king can died with a holy sword but Flash nickname was actually the Last Great Bonjwa I would consider them equal in terms of SKILLS impact on Korean sociality Faker would have more reach

[@111-rg8]

​@@kirbykrusher2k464Flash is significantly more dominant in his game in terms of skill, but Faker simply has so much more influence that it's not even comparable in that regard

[@kirbykrusher2k464]

@@111-rg8 that is what i said did you not read what i said at the end "Flash nickname was actually the Last Great Bonjwa I would consider them equal in terms of SKILLS impact on Korean sociality Faker would have more reach" if you don't understand here is a simple version Flash = Skill Flash = Impact

[@toad7395]

@@111-rg8 Not really Flash's fault though. He would be more popular than Faker if Starcraft was even as close to as popular as league (and if gaming was more popular back then in general). It would beg the question though if Starcraft was more popular would he still be as dominant since there would be a gigantic influx of new players

[@jackalthakomodo5257]

@@toad7395 To be fair though Starcraft is and was a nationally televised game in Korea. The Korean government literally made an entire esports division called KeSpa because of Starcraft. Flash is a household name in Korea along with the first 4 bonjwas Boxer, Iloveoov, Nada, and Savior. Alot of this talk about Faker being bigger than Flash just isn't true unless youre only talking about outside of Korea.

[@WizardDoom]

I put formal in the discussion, winning cod worlds and halo is crazy

[@xlpha888]

🥛 🥛 🥛

[@jayantchoudhary165]

Fr, the milking faker is insane atp

[@ayberkk.4]

After this worlds, this is not even a question. He is a goat for every sport

[@akeno6752]

Faker has transcended League, and yes, he is the Esports GOAT. The same way people say Kobe when they shoot a basketball, people use Faker's name when they do something insane in a game, even when it's not league. He's a national treasure in his country, he's a household name to both gamers and non-gamers alike, may it be young or old people, his reach goes far, and he's not yet done. His dedication really paid off, and being humble throughout it all is what amazes me. He's a personality even without the game because he is a kind and simple person fundamentally.

[@Vamparina413]

Sorry to say, but Faker has already transcended ESport. The fact that there are people who knows him without knowing about ESport says everything else. Also, seems weird to compare a single player game to a team player game. There are way more variables when you win/loss can not be determined by you alone.

[@LocalFunn]

Everyone who plays league knows FAKER, his impact has been bigger than any other e-sports player

[@xavierkrantz1098]

he didn't become the e-sports goat he became the a Mic Dropper of E-Sports

[@Vizible21]

I mean yes? It would've been a different conversation if he's not always the one carrying his teammates.

[@_noel701]

Me - a guy who doenst even play LOL - looking by what he achieved - says yes - Faker is the GOAT

[@zezuriken]

I don’t care if they’re milking the shit out of Faker contents because I am here for every single one of them

[@Hapahilo619]

Wow, I can't believe Danny forgot to mention the real GOAT of gaming - Billy Mitchell.

[@Yrythaela]

Why are people comparing Flash to Faker? Flash is definitely the best solo esports player of all time. SonicFox/Arslan aren't even worth putting in this conversation right now just due to how dominant Flash is. But Faker's accomplishments are far beyond that of Flash in terms of difficulty. Flash's Starcraft journey is basically just one patch while Faker's run in League is an ever changing game yearly where it's barely comparable to what it is today from last year. Not only that, it's a team game. Faker had countless teammates throughout the years and he managed to win Worlds twice in a row with different teams, and then wins his third with different teams, win his fourth and fifth with the same team. You have to understand that the "greatest players of today" with superteams like JDG, GEN G, BLG, literally all teams that people consider "the best" in 2023 2024 Faker and T1 beat them all in a crazy fashion and dominance. The fact that in 15 years of League the only players who has won worlds twice are players that were teammates with Faker. The only one who won worlds twice without Faker is BeryL. You can't compare solo games to team games. It's wildly different, more difficult and overall a much more different environment.