IS FULGRIM THE MOST UNDERRATED PRIMARCH? THE SLAYER OF GUILLIMAN AND THE GORGON!

[@NemFX]

The biggest issue with Fulgrim is that there are very few moments with him before the heresy. Preheresy Fulgrim is cool. He asks for cover fire thick enough to walk on. He makes sculptures of his best warriors, he consults with artists to try and get his sculptures to look better. He challenges Ferrus Manus to a weapon buildoff. When they're both done? Fulgrim heaps praise on his brother. I think Fulgrim is essentially a dudebro before the heresy, but for art instead of sports. He just doesn't get much time to DO stuff in the books.

[@dimwitsixtytwelve]

@NemFX I agree and demon fulgrim is very Saturday morning cartoon villain

[@WookieGroundZero]

I agree completely. There is few to non existant lore/fluff of Fulgrim, and the few scraps we get are too scarce to make something solid and say "That's Fulgrim"! And we need to add that Fulgrim when faced Ferrus He was almost a husk with little to no soul remaining in him due the laer blade possession, and when the daemon gains control and kills Ferrus (his last anchor of humanity) he dies/breaks making the Daemon gain full control of him. That's why I have my doubts about how he could outsmart Bobby G who was designed to be a master tactician.

[@Nyctophora]

@@WookieGroundZero The Palatine Phoenix does help a little with lore, it's a very good study of his early character. I wish we had more of that.

[@zeppelincraft1443]

Everyone generally liked Fulgrim. Aside from Mortarion which seriously doesn't even count as an opinion. He also treated human followers with talent the respect they deserve and loved to hang out with them like Guilliman. Fulgrim was one of the few Primarchs who genuinely loved his role and job.

[@Archon3960]

Also, his development post-Istvann V sucks. ;/

[@idanis5948]

The book about him and his legions fall is so incredible and believable and really showed how chaos poisons the mind

[@DBSG1976]

Yeah it was a fantastic book

[@Dreadbringer]

You mean "fulgrim"?

[@idanis5948]

@@Dreadbringer nah fucking dorn bro

[@SeanHenderson]

Poisons is a loaded word,Fulgtim's arrogance just needed his ego to be stroked. Keeping a demon infused blade whispering in his ear didn't help either. Fulgrim was weak to flattery and praise that he lapped it up with a spoon.

[@apalesch1]

Just getting into the lore, which book is this? Sounds amazing!

[@vyanesh6487]

“Ferrus Manus was a head taller then Vulkan” Ah so they became the same height.

[@zacharycrawford6]

Wasn't Vulcan supposes to be the tallest?

[@vyanesh6487]

@@zacharycrawford6 I thought so too, but maybe not?

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@zacharycrawford6 vulkan, ferrus, and mortarion are all described as "the tallest" on seperate occasions by different authors. At 15 feet it seems like it was morty, vulkan was only 12 ft according to official sources

[@johnnyscifi]

😂😂😂

[@cootsmcgee9911]

Magnus is the tallest is he not?

[@Liethen]

Pre-corruption Fulgrim was my favorite, Post-corruption Fulgrim makes my skin crawl. Would have liked a dedicated series of several books showing it happen slowly, bit by bit, book by book. Jagatai is by far my favorite loyalist. He is the most underrated by GW.

[@celestienthepaladin488]

I'm Glad you were able to look more into Fulgrim Rho! Fulgrim has always been My Favourite Primarch of them all, there are a Bunch of things that really showoff just how much he actually plans, as all of his plans are down to the millisecond in a battle with each planned action designed to force a planned Reaction from the Enemy. If people want to see what Fulgrim is like when he isnt putting on a Front to protect himself and his Legion, then I recommend "Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix" Book. As in this book Fulgrim shows his inner thoughts more as well as what he is Capable of. And with Fulgrim, I believe his Real fall to Slaanesh, was actually his Desire to learn and Improve, to Perfect. Which is one of the Easiest ways to Fall to Slaanesh in the long run.

[@sy2pie]

Not only is he the most underrated but he is the greatest. He was described as being the perfect primarch. He killed Gulliman and Manus which is a kill count but matched by any other of his brothers but also played Pertarabo like a trumpet.

[@shh4894]

I think he is suppose to be the most talented of the Primarchs - while his weakness is one that is often present in people who are very talented, and that is they get bored and distracted easily, or that they rest on their laurels.

[@jaskegoffii3968]

Fulgrim's biggest tragedy is the fact that the chaos corruption was so subtle for so long that we almost forget that he was indeed CORRUPTED. Remember guys, the primarchs did not know the true nature of Chaos. The Laer blade had to corrupt him over decades, and he STILL almost killed Horus for betrayal. Also remember, Fulgrim only realized what happened at Istvaan V, and he tried to stop himself from killing him. Put some respect on his name. See Baldermorts video on Fulgrim, the man was the closest thing to perfection in the universe.

[@ryanfairfoot263]

Baldemort's telling of Fulgrim was a work of mastery and made me respect a character that I've never read of before

[@mcnuggets2825]

Honestly still his dumbass fault for using a random sword he found on a creepy ass snake people planet instead of one of the greatest weapons ever made by his master craftsman brother.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@mcnuggets2825 Basically, even if it was uber powerful and basically a frostmourne kinda deal "I NEED that sword to take out their Host!" You think him of all people would have something better? Also i know they like worked backwards but Fulgrim one feels abit lackluster "Oh he used a evil sword and bam! Forever damned!"

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

TRUEISMS…!!!

[@Nah_Bohdi]

Perfection within, perfection without.

[@ShurilVolari]

I love fulgrim 100% my favourite primarch! Thank you so much for making a video on him!

[@MrJara1018]

Is it the nipple tassels?

[@drainbramagechannel7425]

Does he get slept on… yes, you have no idea how many debates I have had with people claiming fulgrim isn’t any good, it blows my mind how people can think he is weak

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Fact about the Rogal vs Fulgrim duel. Rogal later admitted to Sanguinius, that Fulgrim fucking had them! If the Emperor's Children and Fulgrim had just kept pushing and digging deep, the Ultimate Wall would have fallen right then and there. Rogal bluffed Fulgrim out of a winning hand!

[@ming45612]

Not so much bluffed out of winning as Fulgrim's attention span ran out and he fucked off to entertain himself.

[@Luciusthestorms]

"haha Rogal all this damage is nothing I can just regen and now I'll ooo lets go ride bicycles and snort coke sons!"

[@AvACyberSecurity]

Isn't it more that Horus couldn't or didn't harness Fulgrims legion properly. That was why he didn't take the Palace. His legion was large and could have been used better but the 1 time Fulgron leads them is in a space the legion won't all fit. Thus limiting what it can do.

[@ragnarlodbrok8399]

People skip over this every time.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@ragnarlodbrok8399 So that means Fulgrim took down Ferrus, put Roboute in a 10K Coma and had Rogal on the ropes only bailing out because of boredom. Fulgrim is far deadlier than he's given credit for.

[@ledzeppelinz]

I always found one moment gets overlooked a lot from Fulgrim's novel. When he is still dealing with the demon influencing his thoughts, he has the opportunity to destroy Horus' fleet and stop the heresy before it begins when his fleet comes upon Horus' unawares. He even goes as far as plotting firing solutions and is about to give the order to destroy the Luna Wolves fleet, when he is given the blade and stops. Just another moment when he shows what could have been had he just not picked up a creepy blade he found in the middle of an alien orgry....

[@randomcenturion7264]

Fulgrim, before his fall, was one of the best Primarchs.

[@Duppyman695]

Ferus Manus underestimated Fulgrim and was killed, Guilliman underestimated him and was killed, who's next? Yes you could say I think Fulgrim is underrated!

[@carolineturingds]

Guilliman? Ok. But Ferrus? Ferrus did NOT underestimate Fulgrim. He knew full well how strong he was, he just didn't care at that point. Also, remember that Ferrus had actually gotten the upper hand over him, but them he unleashed the daemon inside his sword to overwhelm him.

[@licensed_beheader]

What no am pretty sure guilliman nor manus underestimated fulgrim they both knew how dangerous he is . In fact a few minutes into his duel with guilliman, guilliman knew there was no way he was coming out on top .

[@Fuzzycat16]

Fulgrim used a cheat code to beat Ferrus.

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@carolineturingds he already beat ferrus without the sword ealier in the book and nearly killed him

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@Fuzzycat16 round 1 was an even fight, no daemon sword and he nearly took ferrus' head off with his own hammer.

[@Christian-pq5uu]

While the other primarchs conquered their planets through violence or were adopted by royalty, Fulgrim became the leader of his world by playing business tycoon.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

By being sexy. Every noble women on his homeworld wanted to marry him.

[@albertor.6635]

I want to see if clonegrim ever has a role to play in the overall story of things to come

[@zrrion6the6insect6]

I would absolutely love to see clonegrim enter the modern imperium. If guilliman's presence caused a stir imagine how ruffled everyone would get about a returned traitor primarch

[@thefeatherbird_]

Josh reynalds no longer works for GW so its unlikely clonegrim will ever return unfortunately

[@albertor.6635]

@@thefeatherbird_ dam that sucks I didn't even know

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@albertor.6635 it does. The fabius trilogy is one of the greatest series in warhammer, and the clonegrim arc is the only time iv gotten emotional while reading a 40k novel. Black Library rarely reuses characters and plotlines made by ex-authors out of respect so despite all the potential clonegrim and everything else the fabius series introduced to the lore is almost certainly canned indefinitely.

[@Liethen]

Makes me sad that Trazyn didn't deploy the clone on cadia. Would have been cool if he sent him out in necrodermis armor and necron weapons with built in control switch just incase.....only for Fulgrim to MacGuyver his way free, escaping the shattering planet to go on a shadow crusade against chaos.

[@fedupN]

Fulgrim is a great and fun primarch. Particularly, pre Heresy. The primarch novel really helped a few angles get expanded on. I do enjoy the III Legion's emphasis on being more than weapons (like the XIIIth, Vth, XVth, and IXth) and seeking excellence in all things. The old index astartes article, that had the corruption flow down from on high, made it really neat. They all sought to reach a pinnacle. Change what that pinnacle was...and things get interesting. Edit: oh yeah! And his whole "I fought a freaking planet! I made a dying world live! Why does no one recognize this?" adds a cool angle. Of course he'd always want to strive for better. He had to. One step backwards, one slip up, and the hard won progress against entropy would undo it all. Being on that knifes edge had made him...cling...to accolades and trappings of success. Because of things weren't good on Chemos, they were BAD. Real bad. And getting worse. So yeah. Beat the slow death of a world. Good job, Fulgy.

[@Dubs123]

khan: if there was a contest I would win. Fulgrim: hold my best friends head

[@saltyshackles5227]

I like the idea of Clonegrim actually containing the true soul of Fulgrim & taking the Sons of the Pheonix back to glory under a fake identity after some shock therapy between Big E and Big G.

[@danieldragotti2608]

Technically he is in real space. He's been spotted killing people on random planets, some how appearing in mutiple locations at the same time

[@Marnmirjarl]

I love Rogal, but it really clear in Saturnine that he doesn’t “beat” Fulgrim, he loses, he is being toyed with. Fulgrim could squash him if he wished, and that’s what Fulgrim is doing, just taking the walls in such a spectacular display to show he could. He doesn’t follow through because he gets bored, and because he doesn’t really want the siege to end

[@Nyctophora]

Fulgrim had such great potential. On the one hand, yes, he fell to Chaos because that is what the plot demanded. But the way he is developed, I think he fell in-universe because with all his achievements, with all his abilities, he was always insecure, never getting the praise from the Emperor he needed in order to feel that he had done a good enough job. Even with the Emperor's approval and the gift of the Aquila, the Phoenician still felt that he was catching up to his brothers - taken under Horus' wing, given the remnants of a Legion, and shown a list the length of your arm of others' victories while he was still saving Chemos from himself. It's the curse of the perfectionist to never find perfection. Fulgrim could never really enjoy his achievements, even the simple ones like paintings, because he needed someone else to tell him that he had made something good. Not only this - he was a social being, created almost without peers, gifted at talking to others and yet seldom with anyone even close to his level to talk to. Chaos whispered in his ear in the lonely watches of the night. It got into his heart through his isolation and honestly, I think if Ferrus had been able to talk to him at crucial moments, he might not have fallen at all. Fulgrim needed praise, he needed understanding, he needed a friend. He got war. And we lost the greatest innovator and diplomat the Primarchs ever had.

[@ChainsawDunDeez]

As an Emperors Children player… yeah… Fulgrim is underrated , as he wanted to achieve perfection in all things , including tactics… for example he could have destroyed Horus’s fleet with a sneak attack if he wasn’t ‘ given’ his deamon sword and then apparently changed his mind, before the heresy truly started….

[@Iceisnice1]

If you want to understand how great Fulgrim was, you need not look to him - instead, look to his sons. Remember that the Emperor's Children were a mere 200 when Fulgrim was found. He had to slowly and painstakingly rebuild his legion. Consider this, and look what the Emperor's Children under Fulrgrim's leadership accomplished at the Cleansing of Laeran, at the height of their power. The Laer were technologically advanced and biologically designed for each individual to be perfect for their role. They were an absolute nightmare to fight against. The campaign was estimated to take years to complete and require no less than 3 full legions. The Emperor's Children, the smallest legion (11,000 space marines), did it in a single month, with only 700 dead. Before Fulgrim picked up the sword and everything went to hell, *that's* how elite and efficient he made his sons. Because Fulgrim didn't merely possess a desire to improve. I believe his true gift was his ability to inspire the same in the people around him; how easily he could bring out the best in others. So yes, I'd say Fulgrim is woefully underrated. He was dealt a really shitty hand (growing up working the mines on Chemos, his legion being nearly wiped out by the time he was found), but instead of succumbing to bitterness or rage like some of his equally unfortunate brothers, Fulgrim strove to overcome all the hardships in his way and do better. And that is why he's my favorite primarch.

[@silversurfer8818]

*How much of these events are accounted to Fulgrim and not the daemon that possessed him:* With a casual flick of the wrist, Fulgrim tossed the bloodied object at Horus’s feet. Ferrus Manus’s head rolled across the black floor and came to rest with the ravaged eye sockets staring up at Horus in blind accusation. Horus looked up from the head and turned his gaze on Fulgrim, seeing again the insouciance that had infuriated him so when his brother had returned in failure from his attempt to win over the Primarch of the Iron Hands. As distasteful as it was, he knew he would have to offer congratulations. ‘Well done, Fulgrim. You have slain one of our greatest foes as you said you would, but I fail to see why you make this presentation in so private an audience. Surely you would wish our brothers to revel in your triumph?’ Fulgrim laughed, but there was a timbre to his brother’s amusement that sent a chill down Horus’s spine as he recalled where he had heard such ancient malice before… in the voice of Sarr’Kell, the entity Erebus had summoned in the heart of the Vengeful Spirit. ‘Fulgrim?’ asked the Warmaster. ‘Explain yourself.’ The Primarch of the Emperor’s Children shook his head and wagged his finger at Horus. ‘With the greatest respect, mighty Horus, you do not address Fulgrim any more.’ Horus looked into his brother’s dark eyes, seeing beyond the arrogance and superiority to what lay within. Darkness filled his brother’s core, an ancient darkness that had torn itself from the womb of a dying race with a bloody birth scream. Its existence was as old as the heavens and as fresh as the dawn. Its life was immortal and its capacity for malice infinite. ‘You are not Fulgrim,’ he breathed, suddenly wary of this intruder in his midst. ‘No,’ agreed the thing with his brother’s face. ‘Then who are you?’ demanded Horus. ‘A spy? An assassin? If you are here to kill me then I warn you I am no weakling like Fulgrim. I will break you before you can lay a hand upon me!’ Fulgrim shrugged and tossed the box he carried onto the floor with a clatter. It landed next to Ferrus’s severed head. Horus let the energised claws of his gauntlets slide out in warning. ‘Perhaps you can defeat me,’ said Fulgrim, crossing the room to pour himself a cup of wine, ‘but I have no wish to test either of us in such a fruitless and wasteful trial of combat. On the contrary, I am here to pledge myself to your cause.’ Horus glanced towards Fulgrim’s waist, and relaxed as he saw that this thing masquerading as his brother had come before him unarmed. Whatever its purpose in unveiling itself, it had not come with violence on its mind. ‘You still have not answered my question,’ said Horus. ‘Who or what are you?’ Fulgrim smiled and licked his lips with a long sweep of his tongue. ‘Who am I? I should have thought that would be obvious to one who has had dealings with other creatures of my ilk.’ Once again, Horus felt the chill that he had experienced when the Lord of the Shadows had manifested in the stone-walled lodge, raised in the heart of his flagship. ‘You are a creature of the warp?’ he asked. ‘I am indeed. What your insufficient language might call a “daemon”. A poor word, but it will have to suffice. I am a humble servant of the Dark Prince, an emissary come to aid you in your little war. //Fulgrim, P: 500-502

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Yes, and ultimately the real Fulgrim regains his body.

[@xXspartanXx-om8nc]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen when is that new

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@xXspartanXx-om8nc it isn't.

[@LCliffhanger]

@@xXspartanXx-om8nc The Reflection Crack'd was released in 2012, unfortunately it just undoes the amazing fall in Fulgrim and just has him regain his body and troll his sons into thinking he's possessed and trying to get the daemon out of him, only for him to reveal that he had regained control all along.

[@yourcheapdate4564]

Perturabo is the most underrated, which is saying something based on how strategic and powerful is already recognized as being.

[@CSSVirginia]

If Perty stayed loyalist the heresy would have been over in a month.

[@thefeatherbird_]

Perturabo is a really well liked primarch though, fulgrim gets more hate than anyone else and is almost never brought up in "best dualist" debates despite having the highest headcount and winrate in primarch duals

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@jakepittman3068 i wouldnt go that far. Plenty think hes a loser regardless of his achievements (especially rogal fans)

[@zeppelincraft1443]

@@thefeatherbird_ The diagram has changed ever since he won against Angron. That was a BIG win for Iron warrior fans.

[@im2randomghgh]

Perturabo is easily the most overrated primarch. Showed himself to be a worse commander than random Imperial Fist captains twice (Hydra Cordatus and Phall), ran away from a fight with Dorn (First Wall), lost a fight to Fulgrim and his only successful primarch fight was against a drained and artillery blasted Angron. Also tended to use his IW the way incompetent Guard commanders use conscripts.

[@TheAmberKing]

My favourite Primarch! Pre Laer blade Fulgrim is genuinely awe inspiring, humble and deadly.

[@aguspuig6615]

fulgrim is underrated even by the writters imo, he has the potential to be the most powerfull primarch but hes just treated as a narcissist bimbo by everyone, writters included, while his original character on the heresy was anything but, his whole ideals were that everyone could improve, he was cocky maybe, but he did NOT think he was avobe others, he liked helping unaugmented humans and even listened to them for advice and to improve himself, hes the primarch that in my opinion had the most potential to improve, but anytime he apears we just get a paragraph explaining that even tho he thinks hes hot shit he is a loser and it just doesnt fit at all, and as you showed by recounting his deeds, he really is very good at alot of things, both combat and strategy, but anytime he apears everyone just thinks about that time the khan burned him instead of his actual deeds, im gonna say it, he beat ferrus and he would beat the khan, no matter if the khan knows how he fights hes just that good at duels, kurze had foresight against the lion and still lost, same here

[@marvelouspatches8577]

One of my favorite videos on 40k in a while. Good kush man

[@theKarateRedbelt]

His achievements as a traitor are definitely nothing to scoff at, but I find it more fascinating that his true clone that's tucked away in Trazyns gallery being loyalist, and even having the ability to almost reclaim his legion from Slaanesh more of a testament to his character. I think it would be a cool mix-up to the setting if someone like Robute were to invade Trazyns gallery and rescue him (and maybe some Necron Pylons to help deal with the eye of terror) to both bring back a loyalist primarch with no legion, make the Necrons more hostile to humanity in order to deal a potential blow to chaos

[@michaelrooney3133]

Rylanor, beloved by all, dealt the most devastating blow against Fulgrim.

[@the36lessons11]

Fulgrim did not willingly fall to Chaos, but because of his obsession for perfection it made it really easy when possessed by the blade.

[@AbdulBido]

Full-Grim deafeated Guile-man... That's so.. Fully Grim-Dark.

[@aguspuig6615]

Finally someone says it, im tired of people putting the khan as the most underrated, hes cool, but no one underrates him

[@thefeatherbird_]

The scars are underrated, khan is overrated

[@aguspuig6615]

@@thefeatherbird_ very well said

[@bulwyf2572]

I say yes. I love Fulgrim and the EC. Frankly prefer the pre Chaos versions of both but he is very underrated. He killed two primarchs. Full stop. No other primarch has done that. He is the best swordsman in the galaxy and has proved it when it counts. I cannot wait to get Fulgrim in 40k

[@timothylyons5686]

Fulgrim the best swordsman?? The Khan just laughs!!!!

[@bulwyf2572]

@@timothylyons5686 and then he gets killed by Fulgrim. Sounds perfect to me.

[@timothylyons5686]

@@bulwyf2572 the Khan has been in the web Way fighting Dark eldar. He probably knows more poisons than Fulgrim will ever know.

[@bulwyf2572]

@@timothylyons5686 Good thing Fulgrim is a DP then. ;) If Khan and Fulgrim fought Fulgrim is winning that fight. I got nothing against the Khan, be nice to see all the primarchs again in 40k...

[@fixedG]

I think Fulgrim is maybe the most quintessential of all of the Primarchs if each of them really represents a core aspect of the Emperor. His pursuit of and obsession with perfection is a reflection of the Emperor's entire motivation for guiding humanity until it evolves to a higher, more perfect state, able to handle its own emerging psychic potential and flourish across the galaxy and beyond, free of the threats of the Warp and able to guide itself.

[@LCliffhanger]

I dont think Fulgrim is underrated, I think anyone who reads Fulgrim, gains the appreciation he diserves, though I think Reflection Crack'd is rightfully regarded by most as a mistake. I think the Lion and 1st Legion are generally the most underrated as there isnt rly any single book one can point to that everyone can agree on as a great way to gain an appreciation for the Primarch or Legion, I would say Descent of Angels or the Primarch Book, generally, outside of Dark Angel and Lion fans, he's generally unerrated, wheras Sanguinius, Fulgrim, Khan, Horus, Dorn, Magnus, even Leman, are generally all liked, respected and remain very popular among most fanbases and are apreciated by the widest amount of fans, the 1st Legion and the Lion however, I find very underrated outside of its dedicated fanbase. I can only imagine this is due to a lack of reading up on them. Though some lore-youtubers have certainly been helping that by raising awareness on why the 1st Legion and the Lion are so highly regarded.

[@The_Blood_Wraith]

I am a Blood Angels and Sanguinius fan through and through with Rogal being my second favorite. I find Fulgrim and Kurze to be the most intriguing stories. Their falls are so different but both fall to various forms of Pride. Now with that said I still like the alternate theory, Sanguinius after fighting Kabanda, then Angron is close to a level of Anger that costs him to give into his own rage. He arrives first and alone to the Bridge of the Vengeful spirit and is the one that actually kills Horus. The Emperor arrives and Sanguinius blinded by his rage attacks the Emperor. Initially the Emperor only fights defensively not wanted to hurt his favored son, and tries to calm him but eventually realised after being nearly killed that Sanguinius is now completely engulfed in his rage. Especially when Sanguinius kills the normal soldiers. He is then forced to kill Sanguinius. When Dorn arrives he can see what really went down, he rushes to his fathers aid and asks him why….the emperor tells him the truth and then tells him the imperium must never know that is what happened and told Dorn the story to pass on from there. This combined with the guilt he felt for not arriving sooner is what fueled Dorns cold anger that raged through the scouring and forced him to lose track of the orders his father left before going on the golden throne and opened the door for Guilliman supplanting him while he was out fighting in the scouring.

[@Alexanderofthe9th]

Fulgrim and Perty are super underrated while both simultaneously being crazy OP before and after the heresy

[@ArcAngelAlice]

Not gonna lie, the Fulgrim HH book is still my favorite one to this day.

[@sadhappy8860]

Right there with you bud!

[@gaelicsmurf8742]

I'd say that Fulgrim gets overlooked because he isn't really Fulgrim now and hasn't been for a long time. He's a demon snake thing that just does weirdo Slaaneshy stuff.

[@jongrantminiatures]

I always thought Fulgrim's fall was more tragic than Magnus'. Fulgrim was corrupted by a daemon weapon and could never escape. Magnus was warned not to do things, but he did anyway.

[@sirdanthechipwright821]

I think that honor still goes to the Khan. Maybe even Curze, I believe Russ was the only one to actually acknowledge how dangerous he was. But concerning Fulgrim, you don't spend 200+ years striving for martial perfection, among other things, without making serious gainz

[@Judge_of_Anubis05]

Out of all the primarchs Fulgrim appreciated the potential of humanity more than his brothers to the point he actually did care about base humans. His arrogance coupled with his corruption was always sad to see because he stifled his own potential. But maybe the clone being perfect maybe explained. Perhaps the painting of trapping his soul maybe retconed or maybe Fabius managed to clone both body and soul and never know it. If the painting is retconed then the Clone could be the "actual" Fulgrim. But it'd be more interesting if his very soul was copied

[@muttproductions2536]

I'd like to think that this clone is the actual Fulgrim, now housed in a new, uncorrupted body. I'm also hoping that, being uncorrupted, that the Phoenix will return to Holy Terra, which will no doubt surprise everyone, including Guilliman. But once proving his loyalty (or at least prove that he won't attempt to slice open his brother's throat a second time), and with the blessing of the Emperor, Fulgrim will be possibly be the first among his brothers to help Guilliman rebuild the Imperium they all once fought for, putting focus in teaching Humanity how to bring out the best in themselves, to become creative again. Fulgrim will likely bring about a new Renaissance for the Imperium of Man should this ever happen. But that's just me thinking out loud

[@Judge_of_Anubis05]

@@muttproductions2536 That'd be a cool twist instead of another loyalist returning it's a "redeemed" primarch.

[@muttproductions2536]

@@Judge_of_Anubis05 yeah. I might be fine with at least one more loyalist Primarch returning, but after that, we need to spice things up a bit. I do have a bit of a list of people that I think should return, using the Big Blue Boyscout as my starting point: Guilliman Lion Malcador Fulgrim Russ That's just for now. The Lion is a formidable general who can outthink most of his enemies, and it's obvious at this point that GW is getting ready for his return. It would possibly take the Emperor intervening to keep Lion from killing Guilliman, but once everything is settled, the Lion can take over the reins for the Indomitus Crusade, leaving Guilliman to focus his efforts in stabilizing and rebuilding the Imperium. Malcador would be a massive boost, and it would be a nice change from having either a Primarch or the Emperor return. Unlike Guilliman, Malcador would be able to take the current situation with the Imperium in stride and really get things back on track, possibly starting with a psychic backhand to every last Inquisitor across the galaxy. Granted, he was reduced to dust upon the Golden Throne during the Heresy, but he is a Perpetual. And if the theory of the Emperor being left in a constant state of death and resurrection upon the Golden Throne is true, then that might just mean that somewhere inside the Throne Room, in a dark recess, the Sigillite is slowly reforming, returning to the Material Plane. Fulgrim as we stated could return and bring forth a new Renaissance in the Imperium. By this point I will allow another loyalist Primarch to return, and who better than the Wolf King? With him I would expect to bring knowledge that can be used to reform the Emperor's soul and restore his ancient body, and while the Imperium's finest get to work on that, Russ would join the Lion on the front lines of the Indomitus Crusade. For if Lion El'Jonson is the Hand that guides the Sword, then Leman Russ _is the Sword!_ Besides, bringing back a dead loyalist Primarch like Sanguinius or Ferus Manus wouldn't feel right.

[@Judge_of_Anubis05]

@@muttproductions2536 Definitely seeing Malcador come back would be interesting. I want to see the inquisition reigned in so badly and who better to do it than Malcador

[@georgiosmatsangos7353]

I give this video 9/10 because Wolf Lord Rho didn't include the picture of Fulgrim standing in shadow and having bright purple eyes while giving a sinister look. That picture is quite impossing.

[@dazza1156]

Fulgrim was the greatest swordsman in the imperium, and that was BEFORE he grew more arms.

[@lsynno]

Debatable, he never did face the Khan.

[@blazednlovinit]

Before he grew arms he got amazing warp powers as well, he brought down a titan at range by changing it into a giant tumour.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

With the updates to Dark Imperium, we now know that Guilliman fought Fulgrim with the Emperors sword. And even with such a mighty buff, Fulgrim still defeated him utterly and faster than Mortarion.

[@Fuzzycat16]

I mean Guilliman is an office worker.

[@Liethen]

@@Fuzzycat16 Maybe if Fulgrim stole G-mans red stapler he would drive the big smurf to levels of rage Khorn can only fantasize about, giving a big enough buff to win the fight this time?

[@Fuzzycat16]

@@Liethen If only...

[@guthans]

Waiting for Clone fulgrim to rise!

[@xPingui16x]

My problem with Fulgrim is that I always saw him as a try hard and self centered bully. He is supposed to be one of the best with the sword, I would like to see him face The Khan, Leman or The Lion.

[@licensed_beheader]

He was actually quite vain even in the novel The Emperor's Architect a remembrancer who isn't awed or threatened by the primarchs remarked that he was a try hard in achieving perfection and was vain in nature unlike someone like sanguinius who was a down to earth guy and somehow also perfect . The Khan's prowess in combat isn't clearly known but the lion and leman would most likely beat him to death with one arm .In my opinion it's a hierarchy with guys like lion , leman, horus, sanguinius, konrad and dorn at the top and the rest follow .

[@inthedenoftigers5702]

I think he probably is the best 'duellist' out of all of them, just not the best all round fighter. Reminds me very much of the Archibald vs McGregor fight in Rob Roy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4PQfmiiZ8iYpbs He could probably out fence the khan, leman or the Lion, but his arrogance would lead him to dangerous mistakes

[@Iceisnice1]

@@inthedenoftigers5702 Yeah, I tend to agree. Fulgrim could probably best any of his brothers except Sanguinius in a duel, *if* he took it seriously and fought to the best of his ability.

[@blazednlovinit]

He used to be a noble character. " Fulgrim smiled and stood. 'I came from nothing,' he said, fixing his sons with a steady gaze. 'I scrabbled in the quarry pits, and down in the deepest mines, carrying buckets on my shoulders because the ascender blew a gasket,' he said. 'I broke my fingernails on raw ore, and grew blisters from heat and labour. You look down on them, blind to the beauty of their struggle. Blind to what they might become, if only someone would scrape the filth from their faces.' He reached down and lifted a child onto his shoulders. The girl laughed and clapped, unafraid of the giant, even as her mother wept. Fulgrim indicated the crowd. His voice had driven many of them to their knees. 'Look at them, my sons. You are the highest, and they, the lowest. It is your duty to raise them up, as high as they will go. Anything less is not worthy of you.' "

[@Pallyrulez]

@@blazednlovinit I rmb this paragraph. Fulgrim has always been an idealist, even if that obsession frequently verge onto vanity. Indeed, Fulgrim (or pre-Heresy Fulgrim) can be defined by his obsession on the strive for perfection. This scene gave me goosebumps (another scene is the one where he breaks the fall of the burning 3rd Legion Banner, where the alien fires burnt away the tapestry but not the eagle head, and Fulgrim proclaims "The Eagle still flies! The Eagle will never fall!")

[@briHammer40K]

That was so EPIC when he just punched the shit out of that avatar of khain 👊👊👊 DOOOOSH!!!!

[@briHammer40K]

Whoever liked my comment I've always believed my KZbin comments were underestimated..... just like fulgrim.... until now 😂😂😂

[@DeadliftsForTheDarkGods]

Everyone poops on poor Fulgrim all the time. Idk if it's just from redditors or an old Major Kill thing or what but people hate him for (usually) no good reasons. Same thing with perty, angron and lorgar. Like you can dislike the characters and they definitly have flaws but if your first reaction is to say "uhhhhh MANCHILD, WALKING ABORTION, PEDOPHILE" then go away. It's annoying how rude people can be to others just because they like a non loyalist primarch who isnt Alpharius, Magnus or Kurze. People are so quick to demand that their primarch is vastly better than other peoples favourites. Why can't we all just be friends bros :(

[@braxtongrundy4625]

I don’t take away fulgrim’s wins against ferrus but in the first fight ferrus grab fire blade and destroyed it with his iron hands which incapacitated him, then in the second fight fulgrim only was able to kill ferrus because he was amped by the daemon in the laer blade. All of this is proven in the hh fulgrim novel

[@leavesinautumn5959]

An argument can be made for the uncorrupted Fulgrim, I don't rate either the corrupted or the Demon Prince Fulgrim all that highly though.

[@snakething87]

I want a book with just Fulgrim and Trayzn hanging out in the museum.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Yes! Simply yes. He is "coded gay" or at least more feminine than the other Primarchs, and that hasn't helped him with the Fanbase. That famous Jagatai burn quote really hurt people's perception of him (wrongly, as it makes no sense for a pre-chaos Fulgrim!!) Bottom line; Fulgrim has two Primarch-kills.That is the record!

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

People absolutely sleep on this guy. Where Magnus is probably the most overestimated of the brothers, Fulgrim is terribly underestimated. Of all the Chaos primarchs, Fulgrim is maybe the most interesting and human. He is a good as nearly all his brothers at anything he desires to be. He forged Ferrus' hammer, he set up and annihilated Guilliman, he beat them Ferrus. He played Perturabo for a fool. His sons are the greatest virtuosos: duelists (Akarduana and Lucius), artists, and scientists (Fabius). In Ferrus' novel, the 3rd Legion SCHOOLS the 10th repeatedly. Fulgrim's greatest enemies are morale and focus. When those are on his side, look out!

[@blazednlovinit]

Why is Magnus overestimated? He'd destroy any of his brothers in a true one on one fight, the laws of physics are his to play with and he can basically see the future

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@blazednlovinit, because your comments reflect the overestimation exactly. Russ defeated Magnus in a straight up fight, powers and all. Magnus' powers he depends too much on. Other primarchs diversify themselves much more, he skimps on valuable skills. The Lion has been shown to negate psychic abilities used against him (Lord of the First novel), and apparently so has Russ. People think he's limitless, but he has been tricked several times by Chaos agents, so he's naive. He's an underwhelming physical fighter, he's overconfident to the point of comedy, he has wildly disobedient sons, he's a poor administrator of his legion, he was slow during the Great Crusade, he couldn't manage growing his legion.

[@blazednlovinit]

@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Only defeated by taking away the one thing that made him Magnus though, via silent sisters.... that's why I said "true one on one"

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@blazednlovinit, no, the sisters were not sufficient or else he could not have conducted the ritual to mass retreat to the Planet of the Sorcerers. Magnus lost.

[@wesleyferrell4491]

Him vs the clone. This has GOT to happen

[@mitchellpoll2195]

His legion's fall was once of the best stories

[@SadCatThumbsUp]

imagine the fulgrim clone waking up,seeing all this shit in the galaxy,and decides to help save the imperium,that will be sick

[@littleconan7929]

The link between Fulgrim and Horus is not a coincidence. Horus was chosen as war master because of its political sense. He was the only one able to manage all his brother and this political aspect was part of Horus perception of war. Horus saw behind battlefields. In one novel, we have Fulgrim trying to demonstrate his superiority by taking a planet with only a handfull of marines. At the begining of this novel Fulgrim is thinking of his brothers : "With them, it always ends in blood. Blood is their only answer". Fulgrim thought otherwise.

[@tysonfranklin9781]

The most tragic fall next to Angron

[@hadvar8457]

I don't agree with saying, that Fulgrim won with Ferrus by his 'abilities and skill alone'. You just ignored fact, that it was Ferrus who was winning the duel. It was actually chaos sword that empowered Fulgrim with strenght that allowed him to defeat Ferrus. It was NOT even duel. It was like 2v1. From 40k wikipedia: 'The two Primarchs traded terrible blows, wounding one another deeply during their fierce struggle. As Ferrus pushed himself to his feet and staggered towards the wounded Fulgrim, he cried out as he brought the flaming blade towards his brother's neck. But Fulgrim lashed out as he drew the single-edged, daemonically-possessed sword he had taken from the Laer temple and blocked the descending weapon. With the power of Chaos streaming from the blade, diabolical strength flooded Fulgrim's limbs as he pushed against the power of Ferrus Manus, feeling his brother's surprise at his resistance. Fulgrim managed to surge to his feet and lashed out, his silver blade biting deep into the breastplate of Ferrus' armour, and the Primarch of the Iron Hands cried out, falling to his knees once again' What you said in video is for me big, very big understatement, almost a lie. Or the text from wikipedia is wrong? Explain me, please.

[@captainpuffinpuffinson4769]

It's the problem with the early books in the HH, they had not much of plot progression, the same with Ferrous Manous Black library dropped the ball with some of the Primarchs Fulgrim is not underrated, but his fall to deamonhood was a rushed story, and "the reflection cracked" was a bad story

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

Can you do a vid on what is actually happing with Perturabo since the heresy

[@jasonmitchum1420]

He’s not Mr. Perfect for nothing. Just because he’s a pretty boy, doesn’t mean he’s not EXTREMELY good at what he does.

[@henriquecamboim]

8:16 "Yes,Inquisitor. This is where the record shows the heretical speech."

[@johnnys8393]

It is so hard for me to pick a favourite traitor primarch. It has always been a tie between Fulgrim and Conrad.

[@andrewstem4979]

Love your work brother but I'ma have to fight you about fulgrim beating ferrus twice , we only know he won that last bout because of the demon bit.

[@allways28]

The heresy series book the emperors children did an amazing job of telling the story of the legions fall to chaos. Tragic and horrifying , a recommended read

[@stuart3566]

Have a different option of Fulgrim. Feel sorry for him. Believe he was unwillingly manipulated and abused by chaos ending up him being imprisoned in his own mind. When you talk about Fulgrim post possession it’s not really Fulgrim doing the deeds it’s a demon from the warp that controls him and Fulgrim is just an observer locked in his own mind unable to influence the situation. The real question is who is the demon that posses Fulgrim that defeated and killed the Primarchs not Fulgrim himself.

[@TheNarwhal85]

That was the old lore until HH retconned that into giving him control

[@OktayKus1993]

@@TheNarwhal85 yes sadly.. imagine a fulgrim imprisont and one day saved by the emperors light .. instead we get a Perversion of the once Noble Phoenician. Hopefully the implemention of clonegrim can give us what Fulgrims Story arc truely needs one day

[@stuart3566]

Clearly need to get more up to date how did he get bk in control?

[@BIGPOPPAPUMP1775]

I tell you what I’d really like to see is “clonegrim” show up a help Guilliman fight Fulgrim. Telling BobbyG something like, “I’m sorry but you won’t be able to beat him. Allow me.” But, say it real respectfully. To atone for Fulgrim’s sins (or something like that).

[@BIGPOPPAPUMP1775]

…then BobbyG says, “Hmmmm I wonder what I can do with some Warhounds.”

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

BEST PRIMARCH!!! I LOVE YOU THE PHOENICIAN…!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOooooooOOOOOOOooo…!!!!

[@Archon3960]

I have a proposition for your channel. One that would be very interesting. Talking about the Roboutian Heresy.

[@andrewbaer2820]

Idk if Ferrus was truly prepared to kill him in the first fight and the second one the demon was in the drivers seat. As to Robute idk if he was able to think and account for the alien nature of Fulgrims demonic thought processes

[@blazednlovinit]

In the second fight Fulgrim gave himself up to the demon after he had won the fight, it's the slaying of his brother that made him give up control because he couldn't emotionally bare what he had done and the demon promised him peace from it.

[@robertflynn4215]

Fulgrim killed iron hands primarch ferrus manus by help of the that damned demon possessed sword. But ferrus Manus was blinded by his rage, so with that it still sad 😔 that we lost him and fulgrim so early on in the heresy. The flesh is weak 😤 but the deeds endures⚙🦿🦾🤍.

[@FigthAGAINSTSCOIALISM]

Fulgrim is stronger and his legion is better. As there is a training battle in which Fulgrim totally beats them.

[@robertflynn4215]

@@FigthAGAINSTSCOIALISM yah his legion beats ferrus Manus legion in war games like competition if I remember correctly, and i remember him shaming his legion by say "my son's you shame me". But still I respect him and his iron hands. My four favorite primarch loyalist and space marine legions are lion el' jonson, ferrus Manus, Vulcan and corvus corax.

[@LARGO125]

All I'm hoping for is that at some point we get demon primarch Fulgrim one on one against demi God primarch Corvus Corax.

[@steffanyschwartz7801]

I’m just waiting for Clonegrim to break out and give us Fulgrim. Also Rylanor owned him, then again te Rylanor

[@esbenandersen2168]

I think a lot of the disdain comes from the humbling Rylanor gave him

[@scottphillips8607]

I wouldn't call Guilliman the best strategist of his brothers. Maybe number 3 or 4. He was the best civil leader and one of the most effect leaders, but comparing how effective Fulgrim was against Dorn vs Guilliman spells that out for me. He outsmarted Guilliman but the very idea he could outsmart someone like Dorn or Perturabo is practically unthinkable. Dorn basically called him Perturabo's puppet, which was true considering Dorn said it. Horus thought of Dorn as the greatest military commander among his brothers and I think Dorn proved that. Dorn held off most of the traitors with no real help until towards the end of the Heresy. I think Dorn and Perturabo are pretty much unquestionably the best strategists among the primarchs, but Guilliman is the best statesman and figurehead (and probably 3rd best strategist IMO). I do think Fulgrim is severly underrated though. He was pretty awesome before the demon sword thing. He's definitely one of the best swordsman amongst the primarchs and he's one of the smarter primarchs. He's probably one of the most balanced primarchs in terms of ability. He's not overly strong in any one area but is at least better than most at everything. Ferrus Manus was almost certainly stronger, but was less skilled. Guilliman is almost certainly smarter, but Fulgrim is smart enough. He's not the warrior that Sanguinius was or the genius of Dorn or Perturabo or a powerhouse like Magnus, but I don't think I'd rank him in the lower half of his brothers in any single category. All of the other primarchs outside of maybe Jaghatai and Horus have obvious strengths and weaknesses. Dorn may be the best strategist but is probably one of the worst politicians. Magnus is a magical powerhouse but probably ranks lower on melee combat skill. Guilliman is a brilliant statesman and tactician but is one of the weaker fighters. Lehman Russ is a top tier fighter but isn't as good a statesman or politician as some of his brothers. Fulgrim is just kinda good at everything.

[@licensed_beheader]

What? Strategies and administration are his bread and butter , even Horus said so himself after the istavan dropsite massacre. The reason he was concerned with guilliman is coz of his vast number of ultramarines and their STRATEGIC might . Perturabo is good at destroying stuff mostly hence his siege expertise and his ability to turn a battlefield into a choke point slaughter ground, there is a reason only convicts were assigned to his legion , his tactic was to just throw more bodies into the grinder till he had his way . In the book The Emperor's Architect about Perty even a remembrancer assigned to his legion called him out for his callous behavior of throwing soldiers to their deaths carelessly. Even Dorn proved this with the Fulgrim situation where he basically says Fulgrim and his men were handed to Dorn by Perturabo on a silver platter .

[@scottphillips8607]

@@licensed_beheader Perturabo does throw people away, but it's always to achieve the most efficient win possible (as it relates to time, not loss of life - also he's a petty bitch and doesn't care if people die). Perturabo almost never fails, and when he does it's more to his character flaws than anything. If Perturabo were concerned with not sustaining losses, he could and would do things differently, but as he calculates it the losses are at a sustainable level. He's simply a league above almost every other primarch in terms of pure intelligence. Dan Abnett called him a "demented Rogal Dorn" in an interview and I think that's fitting. The core of the main war in the Heresy was more Perturabo vs Dorn than anything else. Perturabo carried his side almost completely, and until he got reinforcements, Dorn did basically the same. I'm not saying Guilliman is bad as a strategist in wany way - Horus did fear him and rightly so. Behind Dorn he was absolutely the biggest roadblock to the traitors because they had to go through so much to contain him and he still did eventually break. But he also had a supersized legion and Perturabo was focused on reaching and breaching the imperial palace for most of the time. If Guilliman were forced to defend against Perturabo like Dorn, I don't see it going as well for him. Guilliman is the best overall leader among the Primarchs along with Horus I'd say, but in terms of military strategists I'd have to give it to Rogal and Perturabo.

[@licensed_beheader]

@@scottphillips8607 I heavily disagree on a lot of things . First yes his wars were won but at what cost , he had potential but he was wildly unstable, like I said the remembrancer commented on his CALLOUS disregard for the lives of his soldiers. He is effective but he is no strategist . That would be Horus, lion and guilliman hence why they were also the top contenders for the warmaster title . The reason he hard carried the traitors was quite obvious , they were mostly cooked in the head due to the chaos shenanigans in play . The Luna wolves who were under the command of Horus were making a mess during the siege while those under abbadon were making serious progress , Horus at that point was merely a meat sack for the chaos gods . Millitary strategy involves the accounting of available resources for an operation and maximizing efficiency with minimum casualties on ones own side , hence why Horus was perfect at being warmaster , he knew how to play at every ones strengths and how to compensate for their weaknesses, perturabo simply just threw bodies in till the job was done . He is actually quite similar to the tyranids who simply throw bioforms till they grind you down through sheer attrition , an effective bit most definitely not efficient tactic. Remember Perturabo also tricked the lion into giving him some high tech siege engines that he later used during the siege. His mental state in on itself inhibited him from becoming the superior primarch in terms of military strategy . Drowning some of your enemies in the blood of all of your allies isn't effective in long term engagements. Also the dude purged like 20% of his legion for literally no reason. Retreat was a concept that was anthemic to him , why retreat and reevaluate your strategy for a better chance of a cleaner and swifter victory when you could send all your guardsmen to their deaths , while this tactic of attrition may be effective it causes morale issues (in fact it did , to the point entire regiments would outright refuse to work with the iron warriors hence why convicts were assigned to them . ) Perty only brought firepower and bodies to the fight nothing more .

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Guilliman wasn’t dead but it counts as a TKO

[@primarisgainssbbg3038]

I wouldn't give him credit because after killing Guilliman he did not capitalize on the total Morale buster that was the death of his brother and attempt to eliminate the Ultramarines. It's like he made a cake without frosting.

[@licensed_beheader]

That is something someone ruthless and adept in the art of war like Horus and Alpharius would do , even loyal fulgrim wasn't very smart, the corrupted fulgrim is just concerned about flexing his biceps and getting his daily dose of meth and spiked dildoo .

[@CountBoris45]

I don't think that the Emperor expected Fulgrim to turn..a truly horrendous loss for the Imperium.

[@ce017]

By far the best primarch with the best story arch. Im a sucker for fallen angel stories and the Emperor children legion is so tragic but cool. If you have ever studied perfectionism you will recognise the authors built the characters to represent different forms of perfectionism but dealt with different ways. Eg. Saul Tarvis and Lucius both represent the same form of perfectionism. But Tarvis represents the healthy way of coping with it, recognising perfection is a journey and not achievable. Whilst Lucious represents the unhealthy way to deal with it, narcissistic, seeing perfectionism as achievable or achieved and being focused on others perception of them as opposed to their own perception of themselves

[@malorian1855]

Well, after meeting with Fulgrim on Isstvan V, Ferrus and Vulkan were the same height.

[@timothylyons5686]

The Khan would have taken him out when he was a 'standard Primarch. These days and with his daemon enhanced body l doubt it. However it depends on who the author is.

[@robertflynn4215]

But I like to see fulgrim vs the emperor's exterminator lion El' Jonson or the emperor's shadow corvus corax.

[@chiashuenchiao7531]

The pear of anguish changed everything

[@Pallyrulez]

ok........ NOW I NEED A COMPLETE REFERENCE LIST THAT STATS ALL THE PRIMARCHS' HEIGHT. I am utterly confused of their relative height, besides Ferrus and Vulkan is big, Alpharius/Omegon is short... because I thought Vulkan was the tallest, but maybe not?

[@ekulerudamuru]

being all about vain glory, him being underrated is fitting

[@SlayingPredatorthelst]

anyone got a link for the last piece in the vid

[@danreid1842]

fulgrim's nature is by all accounts OP, perfection by its nature would be perfection in all things. that means he is better than everyone at everything(at least in theory).

[@mancrab1899]

Okay but wasn’t fulgrim empowered by the demon sword during the fight with Ferrus? Pretty there was a part that said that he somehow was overpowering Ferrus.

[@cas-17]

I thought it was stated in the lore that Vulcan was the largest primarch? Did they retcon that?

[@therealnoodledog6660]

Fulgrim was the perfect one. He's like Sephirot, just too good and strong for his own sanity.

[@punkjay4681]

I don't remember the details, but he somehow gained back control of his body that was claimed by a daemon. No small feat.

[@WorldEaterTaz]

The 3rd legion is my favorite

[@AnotherMC]

This is coming from a son of Guilliman, he did die. In order for Yvraine to revive him, he had to die, so they turned off the life support and let fulgrim’s attack finally finish its effect.

[@josephmagnan1067]

Been thinking of this for past few weeks 😂

[@gat6186]

Maybe someone can clear this up for me. When Russ made shiskabob al la Horus Lupercal with the emperors spear. If not for some chaos magic he technically defeated Horus. So if Fulgrim deserves some respect then argument is over Leman Russ is the GOAT. That is if Horus was the best of them? There is always more questions than answers we all want to know and that's why it's so addicting. I hope I live long enough to see this great story unfold. Happy 4th God bless 🇺🇸 MERICA!

[@im2randomghgh]

I can't agree that Fulgrim wasn't focused during his fight with Dorn. The narrator gives it away, describing his "murder strokes", "furious growls" and rage and effort. Dorn is a much, much better fighter than humanoid Fulgrim. Could he have beaten snake Fulgrim? Who knows, can't rely on daemon primarchs to tell the truth! Fulgrim healed up from those initial strikes but if you hurt a daemon enough they get banished. Like Mortarion in Warhawk! And Fulgrim did want Dorn dead - he told Dorn as much right as he left and sprung his trap. It would have been a very tough fight against daemon Fulgrim though. Maaaybe a pyrrhic victory if Sigismund helped.