Is Getting Sore Necessary For Muscle Growth "Natural vs Enhanced"

[@mountaindog1]

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[@BEARDED_VATO]

Hey Jon i always wondered how people in prision gets pretty damn big without equipment and proper nutrition!

[@MPS72192]

John, do you have any advice for anybody who thinks they dont get anything out of their workout if they are not sore the next day? From a psychological aspect it makes sense what you said, but when I go to train im like ok if I dont absolutely kill the shit out of the muscle and train for 2 hrs then i didnt get anything out of it. I cant seem to get out of this mindset and I feel like this is more harmful than good. Please let me know your thoughts, thanks!

[@PNN_ParodyNewsNetwork]

Thanks! All Natty but enhanced motivation ;)

[@donaldstiles397]

What is your thought on taking Humanofort to help,been thinking about getting some,seems like it's supposed to help with several things. Any info you have on this would be helpful,I'm 54,been training awhile,not huge,on and off on being enhanced,low dose.

[@Hungrybird474]

Love your content . Just turned 50 and glad to see you .

[@ericsashes]

He really covered everyone’s possible situation here. This man is one of the best on KZbin for info in my opinion.

[@noahblevins9569]

Yeah. There arent many as honest as him in the industry.

[@andygarcia9805]

@@noahblevins9569 😂😂Greg Doucette's on a wholeeeee nother level

[@chaosdweller]

Yeah hes gives good info

[@bolshoiibooze]

Plus he has the best intro on KZbin idgaf

[@mathias3187]

*it unfortunatelly was one of the best living info yt ers

[@wwabbd1987]

Rest In Paradise!!! Alex needs a channel all John's fans can support his Yo Yo gains on. God Bless.

[@x1987knights1]

I’m extremely appreciative that John left this knowledge in videos for us to watch, and come back to if we forget thank you! R.I.P MountainDog always train like a dog! 💯👊😎🤙💪

[@eilleenbrown1379]

Me 2 🙏

[@rjrutherford8998]

That trick that Alex did was actually incredible

[@PNN_ParodyNewsNetwork]

John looks like a jacked Luke Skywalker....

[@wearethehaunted3831]

Now I can't unsee that. Thanks. 🤣🤣

[@lucasgibbs4879]

No lightsaber needed

[@homewardboundphotos]

lmao i literally said the exact same thing on a different video a few days ago

[@johnnymaiure5568]

1000%

[@joeldorantes9369]

Yoda shirt to seal the deal lol.

[@MidnightWanted]

I will always come to this channel first when I need help or tips on anything fitness-related. Rest in peace John.

[@kylerodriguez6817]

10:30 gainz blessing yo-yo trick 🪀

[@PNN_ParodyNewsNetwork]

yeah ;)

[@rossedwardmiller]

John puts time stamps in the description but didn’t include one for Alexander’s yo-yo trick even though he knows we all love the tricks. 😂

[@BYGTraining]

I love how he includes his kid in the video. That's the kind thing that kid will remember his whole life. And he's good at the yoyo!

[@rossedwardmiller]

8:15 peep the guy in the back dropping those 15 pounders LIGHTWEIGHT BABY

[@rloredo14]

get well soon John, i'll be praying for you. You've been a blessing to this community.

[@jeffriggins9106]

Get well John!

[@vojvoda-draza]

Rest In Piece John

[@AndrewL31413]

I personally feel that once you don't feel sore with a routine, try doing some new lifts to introduce some soreness back. It is to me, an indication of hitting muscles you weren't hitting and stimulating it. I've found it best to try to do that after a while.

[@ericsashes]

Andrew Lin good to know makes sense to me.

[@noahblevins9569]

It is a great I dictator for someone that doesnt know their body well. For intermediate and advanced lifters, they are more in tune with where they are.

[@tpbulle]

Mike Mentzer would say it's a "non - indicator" in his books and lectures he has stated that he never experienced muscle soreness unless it was a as a beginner or after a layoff. Just saying

[@72Dexter72Manley72]

The soreness does not matter, keep progressing in whatever type of training you do.

[@2kanchoo]

This is exactly what I do. After about 4 weeks of a routine I don't get sore anymore. That for me is how I know it's time to change up the sets or reps or weight or exercises. Then start over. Less soreness each week till about the 4th then start over.

[@ericsashes]

I think my biggest issue is never trusting the amount of sets and reps I do. I seem to make sure I always over do it and feel the damage the next day and of course it hinders my next training day at the gym. I need to find my sweet spot of reps and sets. If I wake up and my muscle group I trained is not sore I feel like I wasted that entire session. I’ve also only been working out for about a year and are not too knowledgeable when it comes to this. So thank you for your videos John!

[@noahblevins9569]

You may also want to watch Greg Doucete. He is very honest and offers great info as well. If you have trained enough to where you have lost strength, you will be growing. Basically, if you bench 225 for 10 reps (only examples) and are unable to do another rep, rack it. If you rest 3 to 5 minutes and cannot repeat the same number of reps, your muscles are breaking down to grow. You do not need intense pain, or 5 days of soreness. Obviously, muscle endurance should be developed as well, so doing 1 set to failure is not optimal.

[@jessegarcia9784]

Why dont u just do athleanx? He'll show you how many sets and reps with rest time that you need to have. Hes legit.

[@joesquak1467]

Having watched Greg and Athlean both, you’ll find that they don’t agree on a lot lol. Just keep working and eventually you’ll find what works best for you. Everyone works differently!

[@Xplora213]

Ez, you have an easy task ahead. Spend a fortnight doing a certain set and rep scheme, see what happens. Change it for a fortnight. See what happens. After 6-8 weeks you will begin the see the patterns. TRY to be systematic- add a set. Add weight. Drop reps. Pyramid up in weight rather than down. You will figure it out.

[@ericsashes]

Everyone needs to calm down I appreciate the feed back but I’m just going to start taking trenbolone and deca with test and winstrol with some mk677 and test I’ll be fine

[@alphasaiyan5760]

From wha I’ve understood about soreness, or even doms, is that it’s not required for muscle growth or strength but it’s a great indicator that you’ve worked the muscle.

[@adonizi]

I think ive grown more with excersising that didnt make me sore. One thing i like with soreness is that it helps with mind muscle connection. Next day i know that spesific excersise hits the muscle i want to.

[@GenXPower]

I miss you, John. You are still an inspiration. You left us too soon.

[@Jamel3131]

It’s all good Thax a lot appreciate it Ille try not to leave so soon love xx :)

[@BigSauce_]

John's videos still help me constantly. far too young mate RIP

[@dirtyhorse5090]

I'm 60 been training since high school just this past year I had to stop for the year. I started back up Monday. Well sir it's hard to walk right about now 🙃😆🏋️😩

[@allanvalle267]

I hope to run the same road as you, the age is just a number and certainly you inspire others to never drop de iron!!!

[@jaybee8566]

Cap

[@scottw3954]

60 and still grinding that’s awesome!! My father in law just turned 72 and he still does what he can. An inspiration to me for when I get there. 💪

[@sgtrock2821]

I'm 58 and still hittin it.

[@christopherburchfield4709]

I absolutely love the knowledge you share as a very useful resource but I must admit, it puts a huge smile on my face every time you share your son’s yo-yo tricks. It to me shows you are a down to earth family man, which makes me appreciate your videos even more as just what they are. A sharing of your experiences with the intent to help and educate others. Not a personal boasting video or a push to sell something. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to help us and keep them coming!💪🏻

[@jw1741]

Well said bro!

[@jadecleveland865]

Rest in peace legend, cant believe ur gone

[@watsappenin2865]

How did he die

[@rickymurray]

This channel gives me more confidence than any other information I get online regarding my workouts, only really listening to this and Greg Ducette for six months and finally everyone notices that I work out, friends comment how much I've grown.

[@ralbarran03]

This quarantine forced me to look at all these issues with over-training. I'm having great results now with my garage gym, I don't have near enough weight to overtrain myself but good enough to get pretty good workouts. I'm in way better shape now than when I was going to the gym and I feel healthy and with way more energy. I just wasn't spending enough time recovering. Also, I love yoyos, I used to know all them tricks when I was a kid!!

[@jw1741]

You sound like an ego lifter I'm glad you corrected that, kid

[@tonytungsten4278]

This is one of the best fitness KZbin channels out there. Nice friendly attitude with immense knowledge and great communication. What more do we need?

[@mountaindog1]

I appreciate that!

[@sthr2110]

You can really tell what a wealth of knowledge he was, in this video...and in so many others.

[@jefferylord3068]

I personally experienced some growth at 6:15 of this video.....no soreness though, so im just gonna roll with it!

[@christianlawu1793]

😂😂😂😂

[@christianlawu1793]

Lol

[@carlosrobles5591]

Man, that girl is fiiine.

[@imhatchmantoo]

Man look at that squat rack. It pains me to realize The Mountain Dog isn't gonna be able to heart our comments anymore. Well he's still teaching me 💕

[@heaney12901]

Still coming back for more info 😢 RIP

[@benrunsacross2935]

Speaking as an ultra runner turned weight lifter. I think that soreness while training can be in your head but DOMS forms a spectrum. It can be minor and vanish as soon as you warm up or it can be systemic fatigue that can mess you up and reverse your progress. I think a warning sign is when you start to feel heavy and lack motivation. The trick is knowing yourself well enough to tell if you’re being lazy or if you’ve pushed to hard.

[@mountaindog1]

great post!

[@albarky3804]

When John talks everyone listens. Awesome explanation sir

[@Jp-ww6kh]

Intelligent man, you made a point that if you are to sore ,ones recovery goes into just getting back to where you were, recovery is key, don't train when too sore, listen to your body, progress is the measure.

[@SantaCruzChillin]

Best breakdown I’ve ever heard about this in my life, by far. Absolute legend.

[@JESUSISKING77742]

I’ve come across hundred+ different bodybuilding KZbinrs over the years. I haven’t come across someone more experiences and knowledgeable in this field. Thanks for putting out all this very helpful info, I love how you’ve been bodybuilding forever so you have so much experience and wisdom

[@JESUSISKING77742]

Ps appreciate you sharing this stuff with the younger generation. I’ll pass down what I learned from u one day.

[@mountaindog1]

I appreciate that!

[@andythousand345]

John, I’ve been lifting for a long time, and the advice you just gave is the best that I’ve ever heard. I can tell that you’ve been in the trenches when it comes to bodybuilding, and wanted to say thank you. And greatly appreciate you sharing all that knowledge. Also, those yo-yo tricks seem to defy gravity.

[@Modioman69]

John Meadows, your love for your family and this community lives on and you made a big impact on so many of us. Hopefully someone is strong enough to carry the torch you left here. I’ll remember you every time I do rows. Rest In Peace Legend.

[@thats_mr_b_]

Post after Post keeps coming up on my YT feed wall and I’m happy to see it. ❤️RIP

[@thehammer4340]

We were so lucky to get John's advice, one of the most under appreciated teachers ever. Real educated and wise gym guy...we were lucky to have him. RIP.

[@patrickmay7082]

John is the most real / honest man to ever walk this planet!! We miss you brother...

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3937]

Chest DOMS are the best

[@joebloggs6922]

I hate chest DOMS. Can't move your arms to do anything without your chest cramping.

[@baconpenguin94]

Ass DOMS are even better

[@chrishamilton4501]

I raise your chest DOMS with hamstring DOMS walking around like a cowboy

[@joebloggs6922]

@@chrishamilton4501 hamstring DOMS always remind of that scene from the office where jim tricks gabe and Dwight into doing hamstring curls and they're all staggering around afterwards. Funny as fuck that

[@MemeGang420]

Nah leg DOMS are the best.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Whether it is or not I'll readily admit that I really enjoy being sore. Trap & lats DOMs feel amazing the next day after a hard training session

[@kevs2good133]

Natural Hypertrophy legs is the best.

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3937]

Kevs2good it’s great but it’s also horrible cos u can’t bloody walk😂

[@jjwp-ql5rv]

I like long head tricep soreness, calve soreness but my favourite is hamstring soreness. Summat about it I really like.

[@joebloggs6922]

Back is definitely the best

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3937]

jjwp 1988 long head tricep is incredible I’ll give u that

[@iliksteak3573]

I honestly just click on all John’s videos to hear him say this 0:00

[@wilber4rce]

Even with the slo mo I still can't figure out the yoyo tricks!!!!! Excellent young sir!!!

[@RagextothexMax]

This video really helped because I very rarely get sore. I didn’t take sets to failure until I started watching Greg Doucette “train harder” and I started taking every set to failure and I got sore for a bit but then it stopped. This video is really helpful you are the dog

[@VDR2612]

Wow perfect timing I've been thinking about this today

[@chaosdweller]

Same!

[@ianfraser2009]

Recovery is key. A lot of people forget about recovery time. Find what works for you and forget what everyone else is doing. What works for me might not work for you. Good video John and a good yo-yo trick from the wee man. Stay safe

[@dotcom1995]

I love videos with no background music. Really helps me focus more

[@haywood0457]

Heard you had a heart attack. I pray you have a speedy recovery. I know I speak for others when I say Youve provided so much unique info that I can apply to regimen. God Bless you. 🙏🏿

[@kfiscal01]

I'm sore at the current circumstances! Welcome back Superman!

[@isaacwillmakesit5819]

Just wanted to let you know the audio cuts out near the end of the video but this is good quality content right here. I went through a long period of plateau but finally broke through just from eating more

[@riffcrescendo1740]

THIS MAN HAS DONE THE TIME AND TALKS SENSE

[@theshadow6273]

I attribute John's success as a youtuber not to his excellent, knowledge based content but his cleverly inserted yo-yoing clearly used to hypnotize his viewers. I'm onto you John...

[@MrBl3ki]

His name is John.

[@theshadow6273]

Ah ya my bad I had just watched one of Jeff Cavalier's videos before posting that. Got mixed up lol my bad

[@Originfab]

Dear Mr Meadows, Very sorry to hear about your recent health issue, wishing you a speedy recovery and all the best.

[@paytonnorrod6683]

Videos are looking super super sharp lately. Also love this topic, been training for ~10 years and I still feel like I didn't get anything done if I'm not at least a little sore for a few days. Good stuff!

[@biologiskt]

I think youre the best informative fitness related channel on KZbin

[@mountaindog1]

I appreciate that!

[@pryoxis5082]

I think people also underestimate proper water intake when it comes to recovery. I used to get sore ALOT without much of a high volume during a surplus. The moment I upped my water intake (which was fairly low) it was like a night and day difference.

[@SpinDoctor91]

It will make you look way more fuller and muscular too

[@SteveZ-yd6em]

Hope your ok John! Your the only real personality I watch on KZbin! Get well my friend!

[@theandybchannel.1819]

R. I. P John. Still educating us, thanks

[@DH-kx7ej]

57 Years old. Training since my 20th....never used peds. All you say, is what i saw. Its hard for the most People to believe that one Message , we where told was wrong: "No Pain, no Gain". This Sentence is a Problem of our Sociaty Great Content !! (I am from Germany, sorry for my bad english)

[@marco.pereira]

Really enjoy watching your videos. They are always so informative and not junk videos in unlike lots of other fitness content creators.

[@mountaindog1]

I appreciate that!

[@factzrfacts]

How did I miss this video?? I have been working out for more than 10 years and this is one of the most informative and helpful videos I have seen. Training is such a personal thing (genetics, recovery, rest, diet, etc) that we should never be so occupied with what work for the experts/others at the cost of evaluating what works best for you. Thank you and keep up the good work John.

[@HolyPineCone]

This guy is way nicer than I expected. He looks a little scary to me and High intensity high rep leg training often induces head aches rather than growth in me. So I associated him with scary head aches. But he actually is delightful.

[@mountaindog1]

:)

[@R2wheelz]

Get well John! You are a strong and there's nothing that you can't overcome. Can't imagine my fitness journey without your impartation of knowledge!

[@codywallison]

Miss you as a fan and a student John. Thank you for the continued wisdom.

[@mC-zo2mo]

Man you're super cool I like your videos they really help me

[@mountaindog1]

Glad you like them!

[@swamig6353]

If you've been a jiggly wiggly fatty the past 2 months like me and haven't worked out during shutdown.... Ohhhhh lawdddddd get ready for your first workout back. Chest got sore 12 hours post workout and may not be not for 5 days

[@stevesolo16]

I like that bit of soreness. This is not a debilitating soreness someone gets with an injury, but a soreness or pump you get the day after a good workout session.

[@VNHLSNG1]

Great advice, Always learning. Love that you include your son in the videos. Your a good man. John

[@exiverence]

Heard about your current condition. Keeping you in prayers, my friend. A speedy recovery to you!

[@rjzlwop3153]

So, I go to the gym get a crazy pump an awesome workout wake up the next morning and I’m not sore at all! Is it OK to hit the same muscle again or is there a recovery. That must take place? Keep up the great work and thank you so much for sharing all your amazing knowledge

[@mountaindog1]

you have to let muscle recover before hitting it again

[@rjzlwop3153]

Very awesome, thank you very much

[@Celtic_Iron]

Props for all the content you've provided to all us gym rats over the last couple of months. There's some great physiques in bodybuilding but they rarely go with great personality. Bests wishes to you and your family John.

[@mountaindog1]

Glad you like them!

[@theslackfoodie32]

I only ever get sore shoulders with the bands, occasionally sore legs from cross trainer. I am having my first day off from my home workout in over a month. Just taking a walk

[@jassinijjar4605]

Many people don't workout cuz of the pain but its worth it And john BTW you're knowledge treasure

[@akshrajput3194]

Hands down the best place to get knowledge 🙏🙏🙏

[@andreorlowski6241]

This video is gold. Amazing. From Brazil.

[@neilohara6880]

Diet is key to muscle soreness, always sore for longer when cutting. That’s why we all love bulking

[@felipeandaurq]

If it's working, keep doing it...the best words of wisdom..kind regards John..

[@BrandonWest87]

Wonderful content about tuning in to your body queues. Thanks John. Your son is a yo-yo wizard! Awesome Dad skills there to feature little man in your videos. Supporting our children is paramount. Rest easy big guy.

[@amfitness5598]

Thank you for this video John. It took me years as a young man to let go of the “I’m not delayed sore from my workout therefore I didn’t train hard enough mindset”. Shout out to Alexander for the neat tricks with the yo yo. Very cool 😎

[@andrewdryden4148]

That was a fantastic video. I always have wondered about soreness and it's meaning. Your sons yoyo game is strong! I respect his passion and the countless hours I'm sure he's invested! Tell him to keep up the awesome work!

[@EquityCall]

The master has spoken.

[@EnglishMuffinR93]

Get well soon Mountain Dog. I really hope to see you back and healthy, making videos and sharing wisdom again.

[@Mikeski413]

Great video John! Your kid is awesome, love the way you include him.

[@mountaindog1]

Thanks so much!

[@robertacosta957]

Now John this is on my biceps and triceps and shoulders.

[@Tesparza0218]

Just ordered both pre workouts and recovery and granted I haven’t tried the products yet but I have to say the points system (returning customer) is an awesome little detail I felt I needed to share. I’ve bought product after product from the same company and never got a cent in products, and johns company has this system that helps out the people who continue to help them out!!!! Awesome stuff John! Cannot wait to try the products and see what the crazy fuss is about 💯

[@mountaindog1]

thank you very much!!!!

[@froesesp]

I basically don't get sore, unless it's a new exercise or I stopped for a while. Many factors, but as long as you're progressing.

[@mccarthyjonathan69]

John you want to talk about pain. Your Bulgarian split squat routine with iso holds has got to be the worst burn I have had in a very long time and I thought bands were not very effective you have proved me wrong.

[@kellybeckman79]

Good topic. I have been training for a couple years and have made good gains. 25lbs in a year. I rarely get sore and able to handle volume. I have started to pick up the intensity in order to keep muscle gained and start burning bodyfat. I have noticed a little more soreness, so that tells me my body is adapting to new training regiment

[@mountaindog1]

Nice work!

[@jasonrahimzadeh5333]

Intra workout nutrition is a game changer. EAAs, carbs, electrolytes. Frequent full body workouts that don't crush any one muscle group are also very helpful. Accumulate volume across many workouts each week

[@mountaindog1]

Totally agree!

[@wallygrandpa]

the trick the boy did was surprisingly pleasant. love your content. as always

[@chrisblairgow1974]

I bet all that hard training in your younger years and consequently being sore all the time induced some degree of hyperplasia, real lifelong muscle as oppose to just only hypertrophy. Like the vids mate - good old school effective training, great stuff.

[@nickcustodi592]

Great advice. Btw John, the grey looks awesome on you brotha man. Always love your demeanor and passion for the iron.

[@mountaindog1]

I appreciate that!

[@archie12345]

Thanks for this video. I’ve been really struggling with this since training at home 💪🏻

[@Mmyers1177]

If you’re still really sore and you continue to work those muscles sometimes all you’re doing is breaking down the repaired muscle halfway before it’s been fully repaired so it’s almost like a wasted workout on those muscles. Better to train something else if you really did some damage on prior exercises. JMO

[@jimmy5634]

Years ago when I was in my thirties and training as a full-blown natural bodybuilder, a wise man told me that attacking any muscle or muscle group in a variety of ways will produce growth. Whether that be with volume or weight or movements, it is the only way you can continue to grow. Right now my focus is on my arms. I am training my other body parts here and there, I’m hitting my bi’s and tri’severy 48 hours, hard. I’m going to try this for a month and see what happens.

[@Steve.Dennis]

Always enjoy your videos, John, but this one even more. Really got me thinking about the efficacy of my gym work. Thanks!

[@rvkpt]

Thanks again Mr 'Dog. Love your work and love your calm style and sensible and balanced way of looking at things. Very inspirational. It's also the perfect antidote to a daily dose of rantin'-ravin'-Dr.Greg.

[@JR-eh5br]

Was shocked to hear that you suffered a heart attack/ wishing you a speedy recovery

[@Kodamare]

I usually stick to the same groups of exercises and do what feels comfortable within reason of pushing. I dont intend to be a bodybuilder so much as I am just trying to stay in shape to age a bit better. I do think the point of view has solid validity, and I appreciate your videos explaining your thought process behind these things. P.S. Keep forgetting you have kids and your sons random things always throw me off but I love his energy xD

[@gummi6185]

Love this john and loved the trick Alexander did. Keep up the wholesome discussion on weight training on KZbin good sir, its what we need as community to grow and learn. Much love brother.

[@raijoel3990]

So true....I totally agreed.... and me here almost dying I increased the reps for Chest workout 🏋️‍♀️ and my chest is totally sore even I cannot move my hands both sides.

[@michaelgrant6258]

Top video and information John. It looks like the soreness is the defined of enough or not enough compared to results. I’ve trained for years getting sore after every workout, but for very little results. Highly discouraging. So I thank you John for this great information. Motivating!