Is Hydrogen the FUTURE of Cars and Trucks After All?

[@dmegahan]

This pod cast was one of my favorites and I couldn’t care less about hydrogen cars.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Hydrogen research has done nothing but show us why hydrogen doesnt work.

[@hanstubben]

Hydrogen has one big problem that is very small. Hydrogen is the smallest molecule there is, and therefore is very hard to contain and also keeps into metal what makes the material brittle! Don't see hydrogen as a viable option for green energy.

[@madlucio70]

There is also a big long-term storage problem with the few vehicles that have been made to use it. If the vehicle has to sit for a few days, then the hydrogen will start venting off and you will essentially loose a significant amount of the fuel. While the technology is very interesting, there are a lot of difficult hurdles to overcome before it can be competitive in the consumer market.

[@caseyracer19]

I’m not optimizing for road trips that I take at most once a year. Maybe long haul truckers could use this.

[@donschiffer7400]

I see this as pointless. Building these cars as a solution for a problem that will likely only impact people a few times a year seems silly. In the long run you will save time because 11 months out of the year you charge at home while you sleep. The next step for EV’s is to get more landlords to include charging at their apartment parking spaces.

[@alark79]

Thanks Roman, that was very interesting. I thought hydrogen was pretty much done at this point. Very interesting to hear what's going on.

[@brendanlindamood4263]

Ships and planes might need converted first.they use way more fuel and have worse emissions

[@janet53589]

Yes, and industrial users place far higher demands on the power sources than batteries can ever provide.

[@saltydogg]

At the 16:45 mark Brian said that a kilogram of hydrogen has the same amount of energy as a gallon of gasoline, that’s mathematically impossible, 2.6918 gallons of gasoline at a density of 2.85769 kilograms has a mass of 7.692 kilograms 13% (1 kilogram) is hydrogen. So the energy in 1 gallon of gasoline is 33.33333 ÷ 2.6918 = 12.38333 kilowatt hours. Eg 70 miles per kilogram divided by 33.33333 * 12.38333 = 26 miles per gallon.

[@philipvecchio3292]

Hydrogen os more energy dense than batteries. Semi-trucks are going to be a better market.

When Hydrogen runs a gasoline engine that's only 20-25% efficient or a diesel engine that's at best 40% efficient, an EV that is 85% efficient and will offer more usable range.

[@philipvecchio3292]

Am EV also is significantly more weight. An EV can weigh twice as much as an ICE car. Fast charging is also tough on the grid. Some Teslas are 100 kWhs. That is a ton of power, and trying to fast charge 80% half an hour is a significant strain on the grid. Or you're going to have to put batteries close to the the charger, which means that you've got 85% of 85% efficiency. And this is maybe tolerable in a passenger car, but when we start getting into moving heavy loads, that's another kettle of fish. Some electric buses need megawatt scale batteries, several tons worth of batteries to move people. It's very driven from electric trolleys which are very light and efficient.

[@mongo64071]

I worked as a test and development engineer for 5 years for PEM fuel cells 25 years ago. I worked with many OEM automakers. The fuel cell part of the equation was perfected back then. But the hydrogen production part of the equation never materialized. It’s a dormant technology that is just waiting for some breakthrough in hydrogen production. Sadly I don’t think that will happen in my lifetime.

[@JP-sw5ho]

Amazon claims to already have 10,000 electric delivery vans on the road. I see them all the time and they never seem to have any problem

[@gmercede]

They had a big fire about a week ago

[@mcsike7264]

​@@gmercede Were

[@triaxe-mmb]

​@@gmercedeAnd regular cars, trucks, and vans catch fire all the time too...

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Except for them seemingly constantly catching on fire.

[@Demobot1]

No way. I'm done being a slave to a commodity. Now that I've gone full electric I'm never going back.

[@janet53589]

You are a fool. What on earth do you think electricity is if not a commodity? You are just enjoying a free ride on someone else's dime, for a short period. But it will end.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

This is hilarious because electricity rates are dictated by commodity rates and unaccountable regulators due to government sponsored monopoly status.

[@travis5481]

@@nothingtoseaheardammit except for the ability to easily make your own. Solar panels are cheap.

[@richmeyer2064]

Let's be honest. For 99% of normal vehicle use, electricity and home or business charging are ideal. Now the 1% that are traveling hundreds of miles including truckers, the fossil fuel infrastructure requires no additional investment. Is that 1% worth trying to convert to a totally new infrastructure? I think taking a half hour break every three hours to charge on a long trip is actually beneficial, and my bladder agrees.

[@nc3826]

99%??? lmao , It's amusing, when people make up their own figures, based on their own narrative.... Let's be honest..... ('and the checks in the mail',are lies that we tell others out of convenience) I'm all for the adoption of EVs, but unrealistic figures just make doubters, doubt more.... (But have fun believing what you want to believe) And how does any of this have anything to do with hydrogen or battery swapping?

[@janet53589]

Question for EV fanatics: Where on earth do you think you will get all your electricity? From the wall socket?

[@travis5481]

Question for you. How do you think they make hydrogen? You might want to figure that one out - because it uses a lot of energy to produce hydrogen. It's more efficient to just eliminate that whole process and just charge an EV.

[@janet53589]

Hydrogen is an energy storage medium. It is created by either a by-product of nuclear reactors, or spare renewable energy that cannot otherwise be consumed. It can replace the petroleum reserve. It is going to be essential and irreplaceable for powering industrial machines and aircraft. It will replace diesel and run the world. Sorry to spoil people's fantasies of putting a windmill on their roof and powering their house and car from it.

[@jamesg6071]

BEVs are advancing rapidly CATL just announce 500wh/kg energy dense batteries. I don’t believe hydrogen will be a viable technology

[@janet53589]

Battery cars are about a factor of 10 behind the requirements.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

You still need MEGAWATTS worth of charging capacity, PER CHARGER - to make EV's viable.

[@SophiaChasenko]

Thanks for such fascinating content! Your channel is a real treasure on KZbin!😆😆😆 % 💵!

[@philgooddr.7850]

To go around the world non stop on renewable by plane, it will be done on liquid H2 with the boil-off going to a fuel cell so three time the kerosene gasoline heat value and twice the ICE efficiency will be 6 times less fuel than Rutan’s Voyager 1 in theory …But, electric on battery forget it ..even across a small ocean would be impossible . So bottle neck is green H2 supply and as long as supply is short event with low cost selling prices will be too high. One interim solution will be hybrid car with small expensive efficient cruising power fuel sell doing 90% of the job and hybrid with a cheap Otto ICE power booster , flex fuel capable, running H2 or Gasoline to overcome initial H2 limited local supplies. The way to store zero carbon mobility energy are limited green H2 is one of them and with free of charge sun and wind cost is the issue not efficiency..

[@janet53589]

The battery car people are just enjoying a free ride on someone else's dime, but only for a very short period. It will end, and is ending as we speak.

[@rik999]

One hydrogen production method that was not mentioned is splitting water into H and O using high temperature (probably need catalysts). The high temperatures could be done inside nuclear reactors although I'm not sure of the engineering challenges.

[@nc3826]

tons of industrial products, require high temperatures.... Good luck engineering a non-radioactive way to process any of them....

Highly combustible Hydrogen in a nuclear reactor? What could go wrong.

[@lordcorgi6481]

This is the problem with Governments picking winners and losers and not innovation or the public. Even if the math doesn't add up for the current technology of EVs, Government has chosen it as the winner. Innovation is stifled by doing this and other promising or better technology is thrown out the window. Like my grandfather used to say, if someone has to pay you $7500 to buy something, there's something wrong with it.

[@bytemark6508]

I'll first start by saying that I'm against any kind of government rebates or incentives in support for any type of mean of transportation. But what you said shows that you ignore 2 important facts: 1 : The government is actually paying $20 billion or more per year to support the oil industry, effectively reducing the price of gasoline at the pump (some say it should be at least double the price). 2: Tesla Model Y became the best selling car in the world BEFORE the Fed introduced the $7500 rebate, with 40%of them being sold in USA. Thanks

Hydrogen, Oh the humanity!

[@janet53589]

The battery car fanatics think what works for 10 cars will work for an entire national fleet.

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

Hydrogen is dead because it will never scale ,too expensive to produce, store, transport, troublesome to store in the car needing Carbon fiber tanks needs a lot of electricity to make Green Hydrogen, better to use that electricity directly in batteries. I'm sure even in trucks it is still not viable...Hydrogen fans will never give up though, like this guy.

[@CraigMatsuura]

How big is the hydrogen tank? Cars I have seen that run on hydrogen seem to have less cargo space? 1. Less cargo space in a passenger vehicle. 2. Expensive to produce green 3. Expensive build stations 4. Unlike an EV I can charge at home 5. Fuel under pressure, feels scary 6. Difficult to handle and transport 7. Leaks overtime if not used immediately. Hydrogen is the smallest element. Saw an interview with a bmw engineer who said this is an issue. Just feels only potentially useful for long haul trucking, maybe.

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

@@CraigMatsuura Also cycle time after Hydrogen stored has been used/ depleted, like after 15 to 20 cars have been filled, it takes time to build up pressure again Vs a BEV that mostly charges @ home in the driveway or garage, and NIO has done 50,000,000 BATTERY Swaps to date in China, so the technology is there if needed. With LFP Batteries becoming so cheap it sure don't make sense to go Hydrogen. 2nd gen Mirai has 3 tanks, in a car bigger than a Tesla model Y and has little cargo and People space, Mirai is 4 person car.

[@AkioWasRight]

Much of what you said is true for Lithium BEVs. You think building a 2 ton lithium-ion battery and charging it has become a economical and simple process? Not at all. You rely on as much mental gymnastic to make BEVs make sense.

[@CraigMatsuura]

@@AkioWasRight please explain? You can buy a BEV today and drive it across the country (US). BEVs are very close to price parity to ICE today. EVs do weigh more, but still have better cargo space than an equivalent sedan (compared a Tesla to a Mirai).

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

@@AkioWasRight China is today @ 50 % BEV and NEV adoption rate, Japan Auto is fuked,by 2030 China will have auto domination over Japan.

[@jakecease]

Hydrogen will only work if you can decentralize the production and storage using solar

[@gordtulk]

No - converting NG at a large complex is the most efficient.

[@nc3826]

@@gordtulk yes but no..... NG is the most efficient. But It's more efficient and effective to convert NG into methanol for methanol fuel cell vehicles. And methanol which is also referred to as wood alcohol, can be produced numerous greener sources in the future...

[@gordtulk]

@@nc3826 fuel cells using that fuel type a much further off than hydrogen

[@nc3826]

@@gordtulk nope, it already exists.... Chinese company with Dutch technology.... But right now all fuel cell technology is too expensive.... That's why battery swapping makes more sense...

[@nc3826]

@@gordtulk “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. “

[@westcruz3878]

Nope no way to hydrogen 👎🏻 fuel ⛽️ is for real 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍🏻

[@ThomperBeThompin]

An excellent guest! I hope you all have him on again. Very well spoken, articulate, and the right amount of information and brevity in his commentary.

[@phild9813]

Other than the statement that we have to convert all ICEs to zero emissions. There’s no difference to be made here with ICEs until all other countries do what we’ve already done with major polluters. China is an absolute disaster and it’s laughable that we sit over here and squabble over drops in the bucket like already really clean ICEs or cow farts.

[@fjalics]

Nowhere near enough information. If hydrogen doesn't get cheaper, it will never take off. He had no breakdown on why things cost what they do. No numbers on the loads semi trucks haul, no information on how much cargo any electric semi can haul. The only details he had was on government financial support. That can start things, or accellerate them, but it won't make them take off. It has to be better than batteries at something, and all he has is it fuels faster. Well, some EVs aren't that slow when traveling, and are very fast around town. You need one convenient fueling station, and mine is in my garage. It doesn't matter if the nearest supercharger isn't that close. You need gobs of hydrogen stations to make them convenient. Any data on how much they cost to build? Operate? How many vehicles they can fuel in a day? Yeah, nothing. It's wishcasting, and angling for government money.

[@Cloud30000]

@@fjalicsjust like BEV did 20 years ago, and most people wanted the government to pull out as the BEV tech had no advantage back then compared to ICE. People looking at BEV today forget what it was like 20 years ago, and BEV is still unlikely to ever be adopted to renters and those without home charging capabilities, thus why as soon as government subsidies show signs of being reduced we see many manufacturers pulling out of the BEV game.

[@ThomperBeThompin]

@@fjalics well, if roman would let him talk....

[@fjalics]

@@Cloud30000 That's all true, but adding time and money doesn't automatically lead to success. Hydrogen has bad fundamentals. You can go 3x as far with a kwh of electricity if you put it in a BEV than if you made hydrogen and put in in a FCEV. He mentioned they found hydrogen underground. That's true. Did he have any idea what it costs to extract, compress, ship, and distribute? No, nothing. If fuel cells were good technology, let's see you run a ship with it. You can start with 2 fueling stations, one in each port. Ships are big. You can use a big tank. I bet it's still crazy money. There has been real money spent on fuel cells, and decades. Where are we? How close? Do we have a pathway? He didn't talk about it.

[@gmercede]

Roman that's why they raise the voltage. More watts needed, you can reduce the amperage if the voltage increases. That's why GM proposed 850 volt charging. But hard to come by.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Raising either the voltage or the amperage still requires tons of electricity generation capacity. Megawatts per charger in order to reach parity with ICE energy transfer rates.

[@gmercede]

Oh definitely agree, but Roman was saying you'd melt the cables. As he said, it's 300 houses for each charger give or take.

[@smithjones1906]

Liked this guest and his proactive approach. I would answer the question about why entertain this "middleman" of hydrogen, why not just go straight to electric, as such; It's all about the consumer's use case. In every possible case, we implement energy diversity. Why aren't there only coal or natural gas or nuclear power plants? One of them has to be "best", right? Are people building/operating other sites just stupid? No. We're always going to have a "mix". Different energy sources can fit one customer's circumstances better than another. They *all* have tradeoffs. Anyone asking this question is just misidentifying hydrogen as a transitionary "middleman". No, it's here to stay, even if it never gains a huge market share. This argument can absolutely be turned against the guest, btw, who states that every _every_ car must be zero-emissions. Disagree in principal and in practice.

[@nc3826]

One caveat, you're confusing hydrogen with an energy source.which it's not... It's just an inefficient energy storage medium....

[@nguyep4]

How is steam engine? How is the dumb phone market? Hydrogen isn't consumers friendly technology, and that is the least of its problems.

[@nc3826]

Concur with your overall sentiment..... But that's just my opinion.... It's a shame that my earlier statement of fact triggered you... Que Sera Sera

[@LeesChannel]

The answer is no, but I'll watch anyway.

[@julioc.guevara3658]

Hahaha same lol

[@GeorgeSchneider8889]

Me too 🤣😂😭

[@mcsike7264]

Ya even Toyota is being sued BC they bought into there scam 😂

[@roguedogx]

did you even watch the video?

[@LeesChannel]

@@roguedogx Obviously. Did you even read my comment?

[@ranig2848]

Hydrogen will NEVER happen - at least not in the next 30 years… and it’s not a tech issue. It’s a COST issue. Hydrogen is WAY more expensive than gas/diesel (not even mentioning electricity). It’s more expensive because of a fundamental physics issue - it requires more energy to produce it than can be utilizing using it. This is NOT something that can be solved in the coming decades. Truckers care about one thing - costs - so they won’t have hydrogen. Regular cars don’t need it. EV and hybrids have more than enough range and it’s MUCH easier and cheaper to add more fast chargers - and no fuel needs to be delivered to them. Once they’re up, cost to run them is super tiny. So, no, hydrogen is not happening. They only way hydrogen might happen is if energy cost is near zero - and that would happen if fission has a huge breakthrough or if solar become crazy cheap - but even in these 2 scenarios EVs will still be way cheaper. So, time to lay this to rest. It’s not happening because fundamentally it’s not economical - even compared to gas/diesel.

Not for the next 30 centuries.

I have a BEV Tesla model 3 with the short range battery and recently drove 4,500miles to Canada and back and had no problem charging .. stopping to change on road trips is a new way to think ..I was not in a rush ..

[@janet53589]

You had better not be in a rush or travelling for business with your leech battery car.

[@truebrit3670]

No. Solved it.

[@phileasler5401]

Hydrogen always 10 years away 😂

[@nc3826]

Just like EVs were 10 years ago.... 🤣 Which was invented over 100 years ago... It always seems like a silly unfulfilled promise until it happens....

[@JP-sw5ho]

So this guy got a grant for $9 million, which is enough to build three shipping container fueling stations, and then he says that the price of building a permanent fuel station is three times as much, so each permanent fuel station cost $9 million? And then is able to recharge what - 20 vehicles per day? It sounds like even if the hydrogen itself was made with free electricity this would still be the most expensive fuel in the world. What is one of these stations expected to last, maybe five years? That would work out to just shy of $5000 a day needing to be billed to the hydrogen customers just to cover the $9 million fueling station cost every five years. And if my guess that this thing can fill 20 vehicles per day is about right then that's almost $250 per vehicle-visit just to cover the amortized cost of building this over a five year span. Plus whatever costs there are for electricity, water, maintenance, profits. Could you imagine if every gas station or DC fast charging visit cost $250 just to connect?

[@nc3826]

China has already proven battery swapping is the better and more cost-effective alternative. 'FWIW The cost to build a hydrogen refueling station can range from $1.5-$5.5 million, depending on the station's design and capacity' 'A station with one nozzle can refuel around 10-12 cars per hour, or 240-288 cars per day. Stations with multiple nozzles can refuel many more vehicles, with a station with four nozzles potentially serving 960-1,152 cars per day, and a station with 10 nozzles potentially serving 2,400-2,880 cars per day. Some high-capacity stations can even refuel up to 2,000 cars or 200 heavy-duty trucks per' There's different ways to do it. I'm just quoting the most common, which is quite a bit more cost effective..... it still seems like a pointless money pit versus the alternatives....

[@YounSamon]

sounds like something the govt would jump into and spend our tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@nc3826]

"sounds like something the govt would jump into and spend our tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$"? You must mean the oil depletion allowance? And everybody that hates government spending should stop using the internet.... And government supported roads...

[@marksullivan8200]

Hydrogen would be fine for gas engines but Diesels can be converted to run on natural gas & dramatically reduce emissions or propane which I believe eliminates emissions & should be much more cost effective I don't see why no one brings this to the conversation

[@Cloud30000]

Hydrogen combustion is unlikely to ever be used because it is terrible for emissions; all hydrogen investment I am aware of is in fuel cells and electric based. Natural gas infrastructure has a similar problem as hydrogen; it’s easier to acquire, but we have no public fueling stations and until we do no company will stock up on natural gas vehicles.

[@gjohnston6052]

Ukraine is making use of them.

[@TFLtalk]

If it smells like bs, sounds like a bs, with zero credible sources to confirm it. Guess what this online story is?

[@Seventh7Art]

Hydrogen is the past, not the future.

[@gordtulk]

Hydrogen - maybe. Swappable rechargeable Batteries - maybe more so.

[@goufr3540]

I remember seeing a concept of battery swapping for EVs, but thats never going to happen. No standard battery packs and most are flat out built-in into the frame.

[@nc3826]

​ @goufr3540 go tell China.... where it's already happened.... and has disproved all the silly misinformation memes about it... Like it or not battery swapping is the future.... It's just a shame the West is so far behind the curve.... Que Sera Sera...

[@nc3826]

Hydrogen - maybe. Battery Swapping - absolutely.... (Since China already proved its viability)

[@nc3826]

​ @goufr3540 tell her to China.... which already disproved it....

[@Cloud30000]

Swappable batteries work for China because the government owns the vehicles and batteries. Do you want to swap your 95% good battery and get someone’s 50% dead (but charged) battery instead? Just think of how many of those electric rental bikes were destroyed and wouldn’t charge because people don’t care about damaging property they can just trade back in without being responsible for the condition.

[@CraigMatsuura]

Funny he talks about a long trip and I'm not sure how that works with hydrogen. 1. Large fuel tanks no space for my luggage. 2. No stations can drive anywhere far. I'm nervous to be sitting on a explosive fuel high pressure hydrogen (he like a gas, it van explode)

[@nc3826]

All of that was addressed in the post.... And good luck with your anxiety condition Chicken Little.. Except ''No stations can drive anywhere far'? Since I'm not sure what you think you thought you said, but whatever it was you didn't say it... FWIW I'm not a proponent of hydrogen, except for a few niche cases, since it's extremely inefficient and expensive.... But some of the concerns about it are hilarious....

[@CraigMatsuura]

@@nc3826 I think we have more agreement than you think. I'm personally an ICE converted to an EV individual. Doing a trip from 300 to 800 miles isn't much longer than in my ICE vehicle, I'm really for this less maintenance and home fueling is way cheaper. You can beat the power difference you get over ICE. No anxiety here, I have done multiple 500 mile trips in our EV and one 800 miles. No issues.

[@nc3826]

@@CraigMatsuura my reference to anxiety was only about your perceptions about hydrogen.... The rest of what you said seems quite rational.... I do differ with a few minor points, but I'm trying to be less pedantic.... And you remind me of ex smokers, who keep telling the world about how they no longer pollute themselves lol .... Have a nice day....

[@nc3826]

@@CraigMatsuura sorry for the poor grammar in my last comment

[@CraigMatsuura]

@@nc3826 if hydrogen was viable to day, a fuel cell is basically and EV. But nothing I have seen makes sense for Hydrogen we have been talking about hydrogen as a fuel source for decades. Just had become something that makes sense. Especially now that I have solar and I can fuel myself not depending on some one to be the primary source of my fuel. (Apologies for any Grammer)

[@doublehh666]

Ah Nitrogen. That old chestnut. It’s somewhat feasible if there is consistent surplus peak hour electricity available. But how feasible is that in 2024 in most places? Back to the dream

[@christopherrubicam4474]

No.

[@WheresHerb]

I remember back in the 80s, there was a short segment on a 60-minute type show, and they had a hydrogen car on there. I kinda thought that hydrogen was going to be the ultimate alternative to gas. Oh well 😅.

[@Krait17]

When battery capacity doubles, or even triples, in the next few years, you won't need to charge your car in 20 or 30 minutes because you'll still need a break from driving anyway. So you can keep dreaming about hydrogen in transportation. :) It's a completely different situation when it comes to energy storage at home. I hope that one day hydrogen will become a rational option in this segment

[@nc3826]

My concern is that most battery waste... will not be economical to recycle.... Adding to the ecological crisis of unrecycled plastics and other waste, engulfing the world

[@Demobot1]

​@@nc3826 This again. You've done no research. There are a multitude of battery recycling companies. The battery pack itself is almost 100% recyclable. The pack can also be broken to use in golf carts and forklifts and such. Me, I'm not worried about battery waste. Especially since we are on the verge of solid state batteries.

[@nc3826]

@@Demobot1 'There are a multitude of battery recycling companies' but some have already gone bankrupt....Just like all the plastic recycling companies did.... Just because a startup exists doesn't mean it's a viable industry.... "I'm not worried about battery waste. Especially since we are on the verge of solid state batteries."? what does that even mean?.. Going to pretend that they're going to last forever? lmao Every negative externality should have a fee placed on it.... To offset the effect of the negative externality.... For example to incentivize recycling.... But Ironically old fashioned lead acid batteries get recycled, because they're profitable to recycle... Have a nice day, my triggered YT expert friend.

[@MrAustin61]

How are u going to get permits to drill for that hydrogen? Don't wanna harm mother earth. Temperatures are going up, just like they have done countless times during the history of earth.

[@gordtulk]

Convert NG

[@TFLtalk]

And you have an advanced degree in global thermodynamics or just Air?

[@YounSamon]

@@TFLtalk is roman waking up grumpy this morning?

[@rfjohns1]

And what is your degree in?

[@Cloud30000]

Climate Change and Smog are both myths. I haven’t seen either of them personally, and I’ve been driving a Diesel that just pumps out black smoke 24/7. Don’t believe the politicians; the day I pay to dispose of tires is the day they won’t burn in a bon fire.

[@tylersrubar6451]

Hydrogen for commercial/large trucks. Not for regular cars and trucks. I don’t really feel comfortable with hydrogen tanks on my back 😅

[@mcsike7264]

But your comfortable with a truck that has a huge hydrogen tank driving next to you 😂

[@YounSamon]

or gas tanks. or cng tanks.

[@tylersrubar6451]

@@mcsike7264 yeah pretty much lol

[@mcsike7264]

@@tylersrubar6451 your more comfortable with that 😂 it blowing up next to you

[@tylersrubar6451]

@@mcsike7264 better odds than your own vehicle blowing up

[@edwardrumick2311]

What about Ammonia Fuel Cell? Works the same way, Ammonia is cheap and already mass produced. I have a student whose father works for Porsche and he told me about it a few years back.

[@JP-sw5ho]

Doesn't ammonia have carbon in it though ?

[@nc3826]

​ @JP-sw5ho you tell me? I found it in 2 seconds... and why does it matter?

[@nc3826]

Ammonia cheap? Not cheap to the consumer.... Methanol is far cheaper and they have methanol fuel cell vehicles...

[@Cloud30000]

If it’s viable and profitable, someone would already be pursuing it and not just discussing it in KZbin comments.

[@nc3826]

​@@Cloud30000 Thanks for the illogical irony

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

If Toyota would use their billions of cash to build out a fueling network like the Supercharger network, they would have their first mover advantage. Then those $12k Marais would sell like Model S-es.

[@roguedogx]

4:43 I have a plan for that, and I should probably contact you about it.

[@roguedogx]

6:37 THANK YOU! Yes, a completely accurate way to put it.

[@roguedogx]

11:10 yeah that voltage level would mean that if you touched the wire while that was happening, it doesn't matter how well insulated it is, that's game over.

[@roguedogx]

14:28 it's a nice idea, but I'm hesitant on the rate. If it's trace amounts, then it might work for personal, but not industrial use.

[@roguedogx]

17:21 my best guess based on the data I have is that private equity got involved and ruined everything.

[@roguedogx]

35:02 and as far as initial cost there's another dimension here. The cost of the tesla semi, while not disclosed, has to be significant because the battery alone (with nothing else attached) has to be around $120K. Not including anything else attached to the truck. Fuel Cell per KW (not kilowatt-hour because that's not the limiting factor here) could match that price for 0.8 Mega watts of power for the top end of that range. But would be around half the cost for a more conventional 300 KW or about 400 hp. Now, current hydrogen cost would mean, that (all other costs being equal) that the BEV semi would eventually pull ahead, based on these current numbers. But, if I had to guess, the BEV numbers are about as low as they are going to get. the FCEV numbers have potential to get much lower.

[@trspotr]

I've left the message for Secretary Pete about hydrogen infrastructure but I didn't hear back 😅

[@fjalics]

We need choice, like with cell phones, which are all powered by what? Oh yea, batteries. You can put batteries at charging stations, not just in cars. You put a couple of megapacks on site, and you can charge really fast. The hydrogen is wish casting. When he admits hydrogen is is a pain to deal with, understand that means costs a lot. His solution is hopes and dreams and wishes. Also, because you can charge at home, you don't need nearly as many fueling stations. This guy doesn't have any details about the electric trucks. He just makes assumptions based on his hydrogen bias. I'm OK with how fast my EV charges. There isn't even one hydrogen fueling station here in Ohio.

[@PseudonymAliase]

$183 to fill up your hydrogen tank to go 300 MI? I'll pass! But what we should be doing is adding trickle feed hydrogen generators to Diesel and gasoline engines for cleaner burning vehicles. Better than DPF and catalytic systems.

[@nc3826]

KISS... use an EV

[@gmercede]

I'm sure that price will come down drastically.

[@nc3826]

Some people are sure that the world is flat.... “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for 'sure' that just ain’t so. “

[@Cloud30000]

@@nc3826 the irony of you using that quote is palpable

[@nc3826]

@@Cloud30000 Much like the amusement I get from your comments.... Thanks for feeding my sardonic view of the world...

[@jamesrobinson3660]

How about ammonia fuel 🤔

[@DCGreenZone]

Yes. ❤

[@AkioWasRight]

People who champion the idea of EVs have no business putting down hydrogen. They haven't even sorted their own house on infrastructure, battery technologies, and the economics to make this all work, yet they would scoff at any competing tech seeking traction.

[@nguyep4]

Do you realize hydrogen is much more difficult to build out than pure electric? That is why. If EV is difficult to you why would Hydrogen that is multiple times more difficult wouldn't be scoffed of immediately?

[@AkioWasRight]

@@nguyep4 The whole EV world isn't pure electric. It relies heavily on carbon fuels to support it, from the mining to the shipping of materials to the production to the delivery to the charging to the disposal of the batteries. A lot of carbon fuels are used in the chain.

[@nguyep4]

@AkioWasRight Nothing is completely free of emissions. It is the emissions at use. The lifetime of an EV would not produce toxic fume, noise pollution, reduce maintenance, no oil change, and fewer brake needs replacing, fewer tanker trucks refilling gas stations, etc. The battery materials can be reused at end of life, over and over and over....

[@AkioWasRight]

@@nguyep4 Okay, whether what you say is true or not, what does that have to do with hydrogen??? What's more, that doesn't give you high ground over hydrogen. It seems all you EV people have deeper interests, so you keep barking out the same talking points. Why would you care whether it's hydrogen or "Pure" electric or if it's just an advancement to ICE? Why would it matter if it accomplishes the same goals?

[@nc3826]

house? champion?.... What house are you championing? The luddite house that any change is scared of? The issue with hydrogen is its inefficiency and high cost.... Personally I champion the house of pragmatism, for a cleaner future.... With many pieces to the puzzle, including hybrids.... But at this point I just don't see hydrogen as being a viable option?

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

Hydrogen is the future ,This Guys job relies on it .😂LOL

[@nc3826]

It's a retired hobby for him

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

@@nc3826 maybe he is a Don Quixote tilting @ windmills of Hydrogen?

[@nc3826]

@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi Probably.... But I love, when the dreamers prove all of us cynics wrong....

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

@@nc3826 you need to Google Michael Dunne of Dunne Insights, he knows who will be in Charge 6 years from now.

[@tonystorcke]

No. No more internal combustion.

[@LarryRichelli]

Come on, hydrogen, really? Never for passenger cars, Period.

[@Pattayaman999]

Nuclear Powered Cars