Is Islam Compatible With The West? | History Documentary

In order to modernize their society, Muslim governments sent missions of students to Western Europe during the 19th century. These students would return with their own observations regarding the West in the hopes that their success could be replicated back home. A generation of ambitious Muslim students and scholars alike pondered the question “Is Islam Compatible With The West”. While many contributed to this new rise of Western learning, the Egyptian Rifa’a al-Tahtawi’s works would be among the most important in Islamic history as it is from his writings that the modern Muslim identity changes forever.
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0:00 Intro
1:55 Al-Tahtawi's Early Life
3:17 The Extraction of Gold
6:58 His Vision
12:28 His Legacy

[@HikmaHistory]

Is it a smart idea for Islamic societies to emulate the West in terms of cultural and societal values? For more Modern History of the Islamic world: kzbin.info/aero/PLiPhmAD3I2Jz6goEJlQ1zh6KkbeBWZ2pP

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

no the Muslims are better here is the evidence. God is our Maker and he knows what is best for us. everything God Made Halal ( allowed ) is good for us in individual level and Collective level. for example, Islam believes in the institution of Marriage highly. without it the society will fall as we see. Why? because without Marriage there's no commitment nor rules and Women will end up having Kids without fathers for which will produce single parent households which produces mental illness which eventually gives birth to all types of decadence. In Islam we believe our actions have consequences in individual level and collective level. In secular society, Criminals who committed murder and vile crimes, are put in Jails belt by the people's taxes and fed by the people's taxes. In Islam, People who committed Murder and vile crimes like spreading decadence which leads to the demise of the society, are put to death. In secular society, Alchohol is allowed which harms the person in individual level and collective level. in individual level it destroys his life achieving nothing and causes kidney failure, in collective level it destroys the family which leads eventually to the destruction of society as mentioned before and the birth of all decadence. In Islam, Alchohol is forbidden and the one who sells or drinks get lashed publicly. Now if you do it in your home and no one sees that's your sin ,but to do publicly or advocate for it, you go against God's rule that protect society. Sin is contagious and that is why it must not be public. God said in the Quran " You may dislike something although it is good for you, or like something although it is bad for you: God knows and you do not.’" I can see why now Shariah is the way to live and build a strong society and the only way to eradicate all decadence and isms in society. Note: no Muslim countries now don't implement the sharia now because if they did, they will be sanctioned or " freedom" will be lunched on them. But We implement shariah on ourselves and our families and society willingly and if it must, we force it on our society even if our country refuse. now about Democracy it gives the rights to everyone specially the degenerated and rights for lobbyists who play on the country's affairs in and out and rights for people with bad intentions to reach powerful positions and divide the country in left and right and make the country stand for nothing and destroys the identity of the people ( civilization ) sound fimilar? 🏳️‍🌈🇪🇺🇺🇸 Historically speaking all countries and civilizations stood for something and if you tolerate everything than you stand for nothing. in order for a civilization to stand against hardship and all waves they need to stand for something and democracy and secularism doesn't offer this in fact both are hypocritical systems and subjective. Democracy is Hypocrisy as i explained why above. in nowhere that secularism is " good ".

[@beepboop204]

for me, the atheism of the West is just that: it doesnt matter what sort of theism you have or dont have. the problem, however, is when you have "closedness" making it easier to reinforce being closed, but your "openness" doesnt reinforce being open, but is hijacked by people wanting to use your "openness" to push closedness.

[@death-istic9586]

Hi!💛😊

[@fxmomotrader3606]

Forget West, Islam is not compatible with any other ideology because Islam is fascist and intolerant of non-muslims

[@aiya5777]

Qatar banning alcohol in worldcup, and ofc everybody loses their minds even tho drinking Alcohol is bad and can cause cancer, even if the adults don't get cancer, their children could get afflicted by having the parents who love drinking So ofc incompatible, the westerners are clowns and the west is the whole circus

[@doslobos2989]

I can excuse a slightly click-baitish title, because a. it is relevant and b. it a really good piece focussed on Rifa’a al-Tahtawi, his influence and contradictions. Nice work guys.

[@HikmaHistory]

Appreciate you getting it!

[@johnmanole4779]

​@@HikmaHistory I am wondering hoe you will manage with these fools. So many rightoids and the other...

[@fredjohnson9833]

Considering that Islam and Western Culture have both taken many different forms depending on the time and place, the answer depends a lot on context.

[@lastword8783]

I interpreted the question as talking about today.

[@LoudWaffle]

@@lastword8783 And what about tomorrow?

[@holo133]

Californian HERE! we have many people coming from all over the world with culture and religion living good here

[@thanksmaybe4103]

@@holo133they are ruining our state

[@Rynewulf]

And there have been plenty of places where Islam has overlapped with other cultures that on theory it should be in eternal Jihad against. Christians in Iberia, the Balkans and Sicily. Polytheists in Central Asia, West and East Africa, and India. It took until the early 1900s for the Copt Christians in Egypt to reach low numbers, and thats right next door to Islams heartland in Arabia. Same goes for Christians and Jews in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan and Palestine. And non mainstream Islam that has a lot of political differences like the huge numbers of Sufi, Ibadi, Druze and Yazidi need to be mentioned as well.

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

Despite the somewhat click bait title, it's actually a nice and informative video.

[@lerneanlion]

On the contary, I think the conquest of Sudan is one of the reasons that led to Egypt's downfall in the first place because they gained nothing from it along with that of the luxurious spending of the rulers such as Ismail the "Magnificent". Instead, the Khedive's government should invested more in learning secular sciences, democracy and reforming the military to maintain the status as the de facto independent nation within the Ottoman Empire.

[@HikmaHistory]

Good point

[@robertmitchell8630]

Benedict XVI on Islam and the west Pope Benedict XVI (born Joseph Alois Ratzinger on April 16, 1927) is Pope Emeritus of the Catholic Church, having served as Pope from 2005 to 2013. Islam has a total organization of life that is completely different from ours; it embraces simply everything,...There is a very marked subordination of woman to man; there is a very tightly knit criminal law, indeed, a law regulating all areas of life, that is opposed to our modern ideas about society. One has to have a clear understanding that it is not simply a denomination that can be included in the free realm of a pluralistic society.

[@Moses_VII]

Strange that a Pope is supporting modern values rather than the 2000 year old book.

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

​@@Moses_VII Strange that 1slam is not supporting modern values like equality, democracy, etc and people like you are silent on theur numerous atrocities.

[@hariskhan-xj4wk]

​@@mobilusinmobili8321 strange that ur silent on west murderous war and looting of Muslim World

[@Me-ds3nm]

Jesus & Mohammad are to different from each other. One healed the sick and forgives sin while the other conquered lands violently and even raped the wife’s of his victims. Who would you follow and who should be the foundation of culture and nation?

[@Moses_VII]

​@@mobilusinmobili8321 Just throw away the Bible if you are like this

[@sionbarzad5371]

love how so many answers are enlightened, great Hikma community!

[@sultanskinny]

Love how all the comments engage with the title as opposed to the video.

[@professor_kraken]

because the video didn't answer the question the title was posing

[@sultanskinny]

@@professor_kraken It did. You just didn't watch till the end.

[@professor_kraken]

@@sultanskinny I did, and honestly didn't catch that. If you can give me a time stamp of where it did, much appreciated.

[@sultanskinny]

@@professor_kraken12:20

[@HikmaHistory]

Hate the game, not the player - Rifa'a at-Tahtawi

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

1:17 Amazing painting by the Ottoman painter Osman Hamdi Bey. One of my favourite paintings

[@HikmaHistory]

Big fan of his work!

[@shzarmai]

Honestly a new "Islamic Enlightenment" is probably needed in the future to build a new Pan-Islamic civilization....

[@SonOfMorning]

There won't be new religious empires. Secularism is unstopable.

[@ryanhardy2777]

i’m sure this will be a calm and civil comment section

[@traviswilson36]

Not funny

[@NordicSupremacist]

I sure do hope so.

[@SERGEYTIMOFEYOVICH]

He deletes comments critical of Islam

[@HikmaHistory]

So far it's pretty decent tbh

[@HikmaHistory]

@@SERGEYTIMOFEYOVICH Hell no. I do however delete disrespectful comments intended to only offend

[@MatthewDoye]

Clever title because it asks the question from an Islamic perspective rather than the usual western one.

[@Rudolphius]

Me: let's look at the comment section and see if my expectations are fulfilled. And oh boy how they were. Always enjoyable when people don't actually watch the video and just go off the title to base their opinion on.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Watched it and didn't change my mind.

[@Rudolphius]

​​@@CatnamedMittens ok then you misunderstood the purpose of the video. It does not want to answer the question, but to further understandig of which vision Rifa'a at-Tahtawi held, how he came to that vision and the impact of his vision on later Muslim intellectual thought. It is not meant to change your opinion, it is meant to further your understanding of the past.

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@Rudolphius it's meant to start a discussion

[@Rynewulf]

@@CatnamedMittensand if youre unwilling to talk, thats the videos fault?

[@neatwheat]

Because the video doesn't answer the question in the title, yet it's an interesting question for many. So... 🤷‍♂️

[@LeoDas688]

short answer⛔🙅No

[@Monkeysfist221]

Definitely no

[@ruggedindividual708]

More videos like this. Thought provoking

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

What a fascinating figure! Thank you for your work!

[@MrJairforce]

As an African who knows what both Arab and European colonialism brings. I must say this is a very interesting video

[@McVaySwifty]

A great introduction to the topic!

[@HikmaHistory]

My guy!

[@LimeyRedneck]

Love this! 🤠💜

[@AL-ku1zq]

Very interesting video, thank you. Looking at that question and what is happening in Europe, North America, and it seems everywhere Islam goes I would say the Islam is not compatible with the West. People outside of Islamic countries are learning more about about Islam and things taught and apparently found acceptable in Islam and do not want Islam in their countries. So, I will say no as answer to that question.

[@domenstrmsek5625]

I think people's forget that islam it comes from Christianity and with that they try to be different from them.

[@harrydebastardeharris987]

There are only 10% Coptic Christians left but there are also Armenian,Syriac and Orthodox churches.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Which shrink every year

[@johnmanole4779]

​@@CatnamedMittens so?

[@Moses_VII]

​@@CatnamedMittens Shrink in absolute numbers, or percentage?

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@Moses_VII percentage of pop

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

​@@johnmanole4779 My exact reaction to 1srael destroying 1slamofascists and your false accusations of gEnoCiDe.

[@waheed4648]

Great history as always

[@MatthewDoye]

Of course it is. To say otherwise is an insult to those of us brought up and living in the west. Any alleged incompatibility is cultural not religious.

[@10pmmemes88]

It's not an insult. It's the truth.

[@HikmaHistory]

Ok let me be Devil's Advocate for a sec - what about certain positions Islam takes, e.g. role of women, halal food, interest etc

[@mukhtarolakunle8102]

What about the fundamental creedal differences in islam and the secular west. Like Allah(God) being the sovereign legislator in Islam vs man being the sovereign legislator in secularism.

[@harrydebastardeharris987]

Not all Napoleons Egyptian’s were Moslem,upto 30% were Egyptian Christian.Those Christians have been coerced into leaving Egypt or converting.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Same thing in Bethlehem in the 1930s.

[@shafsteryellow]

😂😂 so why are churches full in egypt on Sundays

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@shafsteryellow Smaller denominator

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

It doesn't mean coptic numbers are decreasing​@@shafsteryellow

[@goranmiljus2664]

So why are christian churches being bombed and machine gunned weekly? The media CRIES when ONE mosque in NZ is massacred, but when churches in Egypt. Indonesia,Pakistan or Nigeria are attacked .........NOTHING .... SILENCE .......nothing happened. @@shafsteryellow

[@borginburkes1819]

No it is not.

[@youngimperialistmkii]

At the risk of repeating what I said under your Ottoman reformation vid. This desire to emulate western secularism, sciences and political values. Reminds me of the Meiji restoration in Japan.

[@lukaswilhelm9290]

We can see that the idea of universal equality, freedom and secularism inspired by French revolution triumphant in the west while Attaturk's experiment in Turkey as we see today failed. Islam and 'Westernism' is not compatible but both can exist in seperate realm and each people can lives peacefully with one another as long as they have respect wherever they lived.

[@HikmaHistory]

Respectable

[@johnmanole4779]

10:55 what is the name of the song?

[@VaqaarAzad]

So interesting that Al-Tahtawi saw the political and technological advances of France as mainly the product of brutal colonialism and prioritised implementing that over other ideas. Shows how colonialism and resource extraction really was integral to Europe’s “success”, unlike what many people deny these days

[@Iron-Bridge]

So, from one source that supports your own bias, you make that conclusion? 😄. Sounds very smart *sarc*. Yes, colonialism played a major part. Would be foolish to look at the colonial era Europeans as saints. Your culture did the same. You were just weaker at playing the game and now pretend you would have been more noble.

[@yellowSmileyFacee]

Speaking of France. Before France was so technologically advanced, Islam tried to violently invade France, but France was stronger. The Expansion of Islam was also done via colonialism and resource extraction. We know this extraction as the Jizya tax, as well as the many slaves and looting that went on. Theft and violence was integral to Islam's "success", unlike what many people deny these days. The Quran even speaks of those who fight will get loot, but those that don't will get none. How Islam became "successful" : " "Fight against those who do not believe in Allah... nor acknowledge the religion of deception (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.""

[@VaqaarAzad]

I’m not an Arab, I’m from India, which never once as a nation decided to colonise another. Anyway, my point was not to imply any cultural superiority but instead highlight the fact that the success of Europe in the modern age is often used to discredit Islam and other peoples, yet it has just as a dark history as those they claim to have avoided

[@VaqaarAzad]

​@@yellowSmileyFacee Islam originated in a land where denouncing idol worship would result in being persecuted, harassed and physically attacked. For example, one of the companions of the Prophet was a former slave who was beaten ruthlessly all day in the desert heat merely for proclaiming belief in One God, before being freed by the Muslims. The Prophet himself had raw intestines poured on him while silently praying, had garbage dumped on his house and was attempted to be poisoned ( the woman who did so he forgave). This is why Islam has such seemingly harsh responses. Anyway, anything an Arab has ever done is not necessarily Islamic, just like the actions of a European are not necessarily Christian. An authentic Hadith (saying) of the Prophet: “If anyone wrongs a Mu'ahid, detracts from his rights, burdens him with more work than he is able to do, or takes something from him without his consent, I will plead for him (the Mu'ahid) on the Day of Resurrection.” A Mu’ahid is a person who has a peace treaty with the Muslims, or who lives under their rule and pays the Jizya, which funnily enough allows them not to participate in war and gives them the right to be defended.

[@VaqaarAzad]

@@Iron-Bridge I’m not an Arab, I’m from India, which never once as a nation decided to colonise another. Anyway, my point was not to imply any cultural superiority but instead highlight the fact that the success of Europe in the modern age is often used to discredit Islam and other peoples, yet it has just as a dark history as those they claim to have avoided

[@54032Zepol]

Oohh was just talking about compatibility culture and how the european thought they could import cheap labor like the way America imports cheap labor however the vast difference is american cheap labor has compatibility culture whereas European cheap labor has no compatibility culture with any European nation.

[@ConnorLonergan]

Reminder to all. Never read the comments.

[@nrein89]

But, I'm such a masochist. ... I bet someone's thinking "western degeneracy" after reading that.

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

​@@nrein89Many Muslims here and elsewhere are too apologetic and weak. how could you not name an open enemy to Islam out of fear what they think of you? Allow me to educate you about the anglo sephere. When Nazis lost ww2 many Nazi scientists and psychologists Joined the Anglo sephere along with " Jews" Who are white converts to Judaism as well and both together created the anglo sephere. What is stopping the Anglo sephere to drop their liberal masks and show their true Nazi faces is resources like Oil and Gas. If Russia falls, anglo sephere will have access to oil and gas and will no more play liberal. they use liberalism and " tolerance " to get attraction from other immigrants to tax them to death and by these taxes they enforce their values and plans on others Satan chosen their race to implement his plans not because they are superior, but literally because they are inferior people who can't control their desires. " Inferior people are those who cannot control their desires and Superior People are those who can Control their desires "- Jihadi John 2014. We muslims have shed our blood in every land we conquered and lived in peace with natives and inhabitants of the lands we conquered and always fought our equals and those who suppressed us in numbers and resources. While their inferior race went across the ocean to avoid us and our Superiority. they went to lands and fought naked men with spears and sticks took their lands and resources, belt their empires and then came to us and we still fight them to this day and won multiple times. Note: When white supremacists or the west says white they don't mean Dmitri from eastern Europe or Vlad from Balkan or Mario from Italy or Alessandro from Spain or Conor from Ireland. They mean Anglo saxon Germanic norse Europeans. Alexander Ross American professor " A Slav can sleep in Dirt a white man can't survive in ". The Great Jihad is coming and radicalization is intial and inevitable

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

​@@nrein89Hi the Owner of the Channel, I am Muslim Arab brown and PROUD. I will tell you why we dislike democracy and all western isms and all ideologies, I challenge whites to come here debate. now about Democracy it gives the rights to everyone specially the degenerated and rights for lobbyists who play on the country's affairs in and out and rights for people with bad intentions to reach powerful positions and divide the country in left and right and make the country stand for nothing and destroys the identity of the people ( civilization ) sound fimilar? 🏳️‍🌈🇪🇺🇺🇸 Historically speaking all countries and civilizations stood for something and if you tolerate everything than you stand for nothing. in order for a civilization to stand against hardship and all waves they need to stand for something and democracy and secularism doesn't offer this in fact both are hypocritical systems and subjective. Democracy is Hypocrisy as i explained why above. in nowhere that secularism is " good ". God is our Maker and he knows what is best for us. Everything God made forbidden, It harms us in individual level and collective level And everything God Made Halal ( allowed ) is good for us in individual level and Collective level. for example, Islam believes in the institution of Marriage highly. without it the society will fall as we see. Why? because without Marriage there's no commitment nor rules and Women will end up having Kids without fathers for which will produce single parent households which produces mental illness which eventually gives birth to all types of decadence. In Islam we believe our actions have consequences in individual level and collective level. In secular society, Criminals who committed murder and vile crimes, are put in Jails belt by the people's taxes and fed by the people's taxes. In Islam, People who committed Murder and vile crimes like spreading decadence which leads to the demise of the society, are put to death. In secular society, Alchohol is allowed which harms the person in individual level and collective level. in individual level it destroys his life achieving nothing and causes kidney failure, in collective level it destroys the family which leads eventually to the destruction of society as mentioned before and the birth of all decadence. In Islam, Alchohol is forbidden and the one who sells or drinks get lashed publicly. Now if you do it in your home and no one sees that's your sin ,but to do publicly or advocate for it, you go against God's rule that protect society. Sin is contagious and that is why it must not be public. God said in the Quran " You may dislike something although it is good for you, or like something although it is bad for you: God knows and you do not.’" I can see why now Shariah is the way to live and build a strong society and the only way to eradicate all decadence and isms in society. Note: no Muslim countries now don't implement the sharia now because if they did, they will be sanctioned or " freedom" will be lunched on them. But We implement shariah on ourselves and our families and society willingly and if it must, we force it on our society even if our country refuse.

[@mgplayzxd3062]

Honestly fair

[@shzarmai]

Well I think Muslim societies should emulate "Western" ideas where it is useful to do so like Corporatist class cooperation, free trade, (interest-free) open market economics and Georgism but mostly stick to its own socio-cultural roots so that they can act as a springboard for building an organic (non-foreign) "Islamic Modernity" imo.

[@asuka4ever1979]

Islam needs to return to its open values 1000 years ago, in order, Bagdad was the Centre of Knowledge.

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

Also, damn, you tryna get those angry comments and engagement, aren't you?

[@HikmaHistory]

I don't think (hopefully) they'll be that bad...

[@TheEverFreeKing]

​@@HikmaHistoryhow could they not be when Islam is currently destroying the West?

[@LoudWaffle]

@@HikmaHistory They could be a LOOOOOT worse so far lmao Edit: nevermind I kept scrolling, KZbin really tried to protect me by burying the nonsense but I dug it up anyway

[@neatwheat]

I'm sure if the majority of Muslims drops like 90% of all the commands and directions in their holy book and get comfortable with not insisting on being moronic zealots about them this could actually work. Worked before, here in Europe with religion originating in the middle east. Even though Christianity's messiah was not all about war and conquest but rather being missionary and settinga good example. IDK 🤷‍♂️

[@abdulHaqqqq]

you clearly did not read Matthew 10:34 and Luke 19:27

[@Rynewulf]

@@wisewisdom7879so why were these hyper religious societies so easy to conquer by increasingly irreligious societies if religion is true societal strength?

[@Rynewulf]

@@wisewisdom7879 so then religion isnt a measure of societal strength, military technology is?

[@Rynewulf]

@@wisewisdom7879 ok so then what do you mean by backbone? How stable and long lasting it is? But if so that doesnt track with the Islamic world, most of those nations are pretty new Saudi Arabia is barely 1 century old, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, the West African countries and the Near East are all by products of colonised imperial borders. Likewise Eastern Europe and the Balkans are both very Orthodox Christian and have been for centuries, but their nations are only recently formed with huge disputes over who should be where. Do you mean like in a cultural and ethnic sense, like a set of cultural practices tend to be preserved via a strong religion?

[@neatwheat]

@@abdulHaqqqq thanks for bringing this to my attention 🙂 So the entire paragraph goes like this from verse 5 unto verse 34, then: 5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. 9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts - 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! 26 “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.[b] 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.

[@chechenknightslaillaillall2047]

I am Muslim Chechen, but grew up in secular Sweden (which has Christian background), and I think it will depend on which circumstances. For instance, Georgia, the country in the Caucasus, has been Christian for centuries, so deeply ingrained to the culture of Georgia. However, for all of their Christian faith, the Georgians welcomed us during the Russian invasion at the 19th century before they did again in 1990s when Russia tried to stop our independence. Today, Georgians and Chechens live in harmony and there is no tension between the two and it is very common to see Georgians and Chechens marry each other. We have vowed to fight for Georgia until the last drop of blood since Georgia provides a second home for us. But in some others, political uses of religions can be tricky. Simply put, Iran. This regime persecuted everyone, but in particular very violent on non-Shia Muslim groups. However, they left the Armenians alone. Meanwhile, Turkey conducted genocide on Greeks, Assyrians and Armenians, but they left the Georgians alone. Meanwhile, the French and British exploited the Muslims to do their bid of conquest, such as in Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia, Muslims were recruited to fight in Indochina against the Buddhist Vietnamese; or how the Rohingyas were used by the British to fight the Japanese and Burmese Buddhists, creating racial discord. Then, look at Russia: the Russians employed Muslims to its army to fight Muslims of the Caucasus, only for the Muscovites then imposed their colonial control favouring the Orthodox Church. It's not likely about "the West" vs "Islam". It's rather how religions are used as ploys for conquest and frictions. Overcoming it will require massive efforts of understanding, which, sadly, has never been a thing.

[@Daughterofminerva]

Very enlightening comment,especially because it is written from a Muslim ,while usually you only read comments from Westeners.

[@christianmpassi3450]

Very interesting video. Interesting to see how such a brutal and rather immoral idea of conquering and colonizing another country as in the case of Egypt conquest of Sudan was advocated by the devout Al Tahtawi. Humans are a strange species.

[@HikmaHistory]

Humans are the most interesting creatures to study

[@VaqaarAzad]

especially that Al-Tahtwai considered this worth implementing over all else; shows how Europe’s wealth really was built off of colonialism

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

​@@VaqaarAzad Nonsense. 1slam did the exact same thing and is no better for it. All races have colonized and not all of them are successful countries now.

[@sammynatal6471]

Al Gebra is the father of algebra. So he didn’t need to learn math in the west.

[@reemsohib3167]

Al Khawarzemi was centuries before that. Do you really think math studirs didn't evovle plus math is not only algebra

[@MdKashif-vl3mx]

Do u really think that al Khwarezmi is the only arab who contributed in math ​@@reemsohib3167

[@bosbanon3452]

My country, Indonesia use French Civil Code because Dutch Colonize us and Netherland got conquered by Napoleon and he imposed his civil code in the Netherland, some muslim has tried to change that civil code with the Islamis one, but some muslim argue that Napoleon actually took inspiration from Maliki Fiqh 😅 ? Can you explain that, especially about theory that said Napoleon Bonaparte took Islamic Inspiration when he was in Egypt 😅

[@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273]

True Napoleon was fascinated by the biography of prophet muhammad PUH

[@brookechang4942]

It's both fascinating and saddening to see how al-Tahtawi's views of Sudan and Sudanese people were so similar to European colonisers' views of Muslims and Muslim countries.

[@AFGeezy]

Alchemy of the hemispheres fr dawg

[@nicbahtin4774]

intresting

[@neko7981]

while the last part of the vid clarifies the issue, at 7:15 'undermine the divinity of islamic science' is not a perspective existant in islam rather highly discouraged- ratherfrom time to time as generations pass ppl become stagnant in their urge for research and critical thinking along with rulers becoming corrupt. one of the key inspirers of a culture of scientific studying in prior generation of the muslim rule lands wat the urge to discover what the creator has layed out for the ppl, likewise development in technonogy was inspired by idea of sadaqa and spreading the msg of islam. studying of other cultures was inspired by- 1- empathizing with their background to rule them smoothly and 2- creating grounds to carry out dawah and 3- learning from what they know. this was part and parcel of 'islamic way of thinking'

[@shawnbarron2455]

Good video as always from this channel. I think success in a society, comes from good leadership, infrastructure, and bureaucracy. Some societies have them some don't. Most people in stable societies can't accept that maybe that just were born lucky so they always claim it was some part of their culture like Religion that makes their society superior, instead of smart economic decisions made by previous generations. At one point Islamic civilizations were the most advanced, for a while it's been the Western ones, in a hundred years, maybe Nigerians will be running the world.

[@HikmaHistory]

Thank you Shawn. I like your emphasis on infrastructure and bureaucracy; I always say it's the mundane and unexciting things that determine whether a system works or not. It is my humble opinion that societal success often comes as an outgrowth of how they operate at the base level, for example what is the family structure like etc.

[@professor_kraken]

The video was nice, but the title was WAY TOO MUCH clickbaity. You didn't address the question at all.

[@HikmaHistory]

Watch from 12:20 onwards

[@professor_kraken]

@@HikmaHistory ​ I see your point, and I thank you for taking your time to address my concerns. While I don't agree that it is an answer for the question posed, I'll admit I was looking at the problem through the lenses of modern popular islamic movements (I know, generalizing and terrorism-baiting) and not through the lens of Islam as a religion in itself. I sincerely hope al-Tahatwi was right and there will be a point when we don't even have to ponder those questions anymore, inshallah.

[@baronghede2365]

I grew up in Alabama; and i would have to say "Sharia Law" is compitable, with the southern part of America, Blessed Be.

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Someone forgot to give him the memo on what this by product of an age of Christian secularism really was. Just that an age and time of protestants and catholics putting down their arms against each other ,separating work and play formulating such an age was a very Christian thing to do as the classical American founding would show

[@xiuhcoatl4830]

No it wasn't. It was the Revival of the pagan grecorroman thinking that happened during the Renaissance, and the fact european societies grew tired of religion after the religious wars, specially the 30 years war. That's what inspired the enlightened philosophers to push secularism in Europe, alongside the scientific revolution that took down the power of the most radical Christian sectors. This and Napoleon's victories that spread the french revolutionary ideas with his own civil code separating religious institutions out of polítics.

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

@@xiuhcoatl4830 paganism never went away ,but true it did reform and mostly powers that be ,rulers did not like classical American puritans setting people free from bandage. Pagan tactics and tools of subjugation and enslavement will always plague us. Bad people do bad things its no one size fits all anything either. Lol Power ,greed and corruption made monarchs turn into socialist & communist. Where ever the power is thats where bad people migrate .lol

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Bible taught us how to plagiarize the past,correlate with the present, reduce knowledge to be more precise so we can better convey ( less_ons) to each other . We already used it to categorize, name and establish all disciplines , it already inspired all our great theories. As far as separating work and play temporary age of like-minded Christian secularism, it is what it says that it is .an age of shared Christian context and goals. The reformed pagan =humanist did build 1900s structuralism tried to capture secularism and formed a new woke religion. Humanist are reforming into tranahumamist now . Its still the same ole paganism nothings changed.

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

Its a new paradigm now where its hard for pagans to masquerade around in broad daylight. A lot of the old tricks like darwin reducing platos spiritual essence down into a more specific natural selection where lie to ourselves about blind, mindless Shepards guiding life as an invisible mechanism has ran its course. Its now become to broad and general to have any useful meaning. The evidence had told us to reduce evolution as just one of many other processes like regeneration or mutation. Hell it isn't even as relevant as mutation after all . Cycles of life & society trying to unveil a power greater than ourselves . Scientifically regurgitating and improving with every individual & generation learning a little more about our creator through his creation.

[@davidalpheaus3352]

@@xiuhcoatl4830 Those Greco Roman ideals you speak so highly of were the reason state and religion were together in the first place . That Roman Catholic empire mindset was ripped straight from the Roman Empire . It was its natural transition. The very idea of seeking truth and knowledge and expanding on that was was a judeoChristian ideal , during the renaissance . The rediscovery of ancient texts played a huge part but so was the fact that the west and east and become so interconnected specifically after the conquests of mansa musa the prior century. The Silk Road also allowed for more free change of ideas . You also conveniently left out the blac death which led to a lot of the ideas of scientific thinking (As there was a need for this ) and germ theory.

[@ariebrons7976]

Basically Altahtawi was a Modern Orthodox* thinker. (*Looking to preserve only the bare fundamentals of an ideology, whilst modernising the rest)

[@popularhistory6118]

because your videos are so good, you deserve to make clickbait. Thank you!

[@nrein89]

Islam is as compatible with "the West" as any other faith that originated in "the East". Some parts of the West have been very hostile to 2 of such faiths, but there's nothing in "western" philosophy that requires that attitude or at least having it be selective. Communism - as an example - is hostile (maybe "dismissive" is a better term) to religion in general.

[@coltenbeachel645]

When did the Levant and Arabia/North Africa become the east? In antiquity it’s part of the Mediterranean world.

[@SERGEYTIMOFEYOVICH]

Disagree. Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, Animism, you name it, don’t violently enforce their religom via law. They force their customs of mass murder, rape, etc. on everywhere they are or migrate to. They view opression as their right even if they are in someone else’s country. There is no secularism in Islam nor acceptance of nonconformity.

[@Meirstein]

I think the real question asked was whether Islamism, using the legal and cultural tenets of Islam as the basis for your state, is compatible with the West. The answer to that is no, as secular and pluralistic societies will always outpace theocratic ones.

[@SERGEYTIMOFEYOVICH]

My comment was removed because it condemns Islam. Pathetic channel.

[@mukhtarolakunle8102]

​@Meirstein It is not correct to refer to Islam as theocratic. Although sovereignty belongs to Allah(God) authority belongs to the people.

[@lifechoices6643]

That's the wrong question to ask.The right questions are asked by right understanding of our contexts.in this respect,I find writings of Adis Duderija and Mohamed Abdou very relevant

[@jvharbin8337]

No not even a little bit.

[@rogeriusrex93]

Ask the Normans in Sicily

[@zxera9702]

So Tahtawi was somewhat of a nationalist and an imperialist?

[@porphyry17]

an Egyptian speaking Arabic?(not Coptic...) he was a sl4ve to his Arabic overlords that brainwashed his mind to worship a 7th century p3d0 warlord.

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

Most 1slamic countries are.

[@jihadi-against-oppression]

You are the best islamic history channel on KZbin

[@user-qt7nq5xl1m]

The Cultured Jinn is pretty good also

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

HEY!

[@HikmaHistory]

@@AlMuqaddimahYT He has a point, thank you!

[@Jsjsusi]

​@@AlMuqaddimahYTLmao😂😂

[@youngimperialistmkii]

Spicy video title. I'm sure that the comment section, will be civil.😉

[@Paidwellington]

Great video. Sadly, i'm not so sure it is. Japan almost immediately after contact with the west entered into a golden age of industrial development using western ideals and have not faltered in their ascension until very recently. The Islamic world may never be able to foster the right political systems that reward individual achievement while encouraging national unity and the growth of multi-tier economies.

[@wassimharzli336]

The right political system for an islamic nation is the Shoura system aka an Islamic Caliphate, But the west will never allow it because they don't want another super power to bother, it's more effective to split them (as they did historically) pin them against each other then extract oil and gold.

[@alexhubble]

To be fair, Japan opened up to the world and developed like mad after their 2nd 'contact'. After the 1st they took the gunpowder, crucified the missionaries and locked themselves away for 250 years.

[@hariskhan-xj4wk]

China vs India.communism vs democracy.which one is successful

[@colinmcewen9530]

depends what tpe of islam

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

Better question : is the west in its current form compatible with humanity?

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

By shaking off the handcuffs of traditional abrahamic religion, it's the beeting heart and biggest hope of mankind.

[@LoudWaffle]

@@user-uf2df6zf5w If it's just Abrahamic religions holding the West down, surely places like India or China should be the beating heart and biggest hope of mankind, no? Both superpowers and relatively unaffected by Abrahamic Religions.

[@Victor_The_Librarian]

​@@user-uf2df6zf5wTo accept alchoholism, homossexuality and feminism? Im a conservative muslim living in a place where your ideals are fully placed(not my choice, born here) the most leftist/atheist and pro-lgbt part of Brazil, this is a absolute failed society, bloodlines end daily because people often opt to be same sex couples, people with great inteligence ruin their future on alcohol and all marriages end up in divorce. Even during foreign ocupation, airstrikes and coups, most muslim countries have functional societies, im leaving this place for afghanistan as soon as i graduate.

[@DestinyAwaits19]

The West is the greatest miracle of humanity the world has ever seen. Our enlightenment values of tolerance an equality for all place us ahead of most of our species. Without the West we would not have the scientific method, the renaissance of culture and art, a fair and equal trial under the law, equality for women and minorities, respect and dignity for human life. The West is a miracle. So stop treating it like it's the problem and not the solution. Leftist.

[@Inge-99]

May I advice you to study 2 things: 1) interpol reports about terrorism 2) human right reports about islamic countries You statement is nonsense.

[@haziqhaziq5550]

Al tahtawi:- visioned for a republican egyptian. Me:- Wow hes really cooking. Al tahtawi:-propose by jumpstarting it with conquering levant and sudan. Me:- Excuse me WTF!!!

[@konst80hum]

Maybe it should be put a little more eloquently but I agree with the sentiment.

[@behappybevegan]

No.

[@rasjidahmova]

Nope!

[@rickyyacine4818]

Duh its ded culture they think can stay in 600s forever this guys logics

[@itsblitz4437]

To answer your question, I think its very compatible because you have native people in Europe 🇪🇺 who were Muslim for centuries primarily the Bosniaks from Bosnia 🇧🇦 Herzegovina and the Muslim Albanians in Albania 🇦🇱 and 🇽🇰 Kosovo and other Muslims in the Balkans such as Bulgaria 🇧🇬.

[@davidalpheaus3352]

Those countries are also like the worst and most crime ridden and least open societies in Europe

[@NoMadKid]

@@davidalpheaus3352are implying that Islam caused this?

[@Wartensteiin]

​@@davidalpheaus3352Balkans is a backwater regardless plus they're not western.

[@Moses_VII]

​@@davidalpheaus3352 That's typical of former socialist countries after the fall of the Soviets, whether Muslim or not Muslim

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

​@@NoMadKid It seems to be predominant in 1slamic countries so yes.

[@albashir7140]

Awesome video. Islam is not even compatabil in Middle East 😅 Im from a muslim background.

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

do you mean it in a bad way to please white people your gods or that Islam is the destroyer of all isms and it is the only objective ground

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

ما هو قصدك ؟ هل تقول الكلام هذا لتبين ان الإسلام رجعي و تلون وضعنا الحالي في الإسلام ؟ جاوب يا عبد الرجل الابيض الغربي

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

شوفو كيف الملحدين هني كلهم لا يستطيعون تبرير اي شي من علم، أدب و منطق و يقلون المسلمين متخلفين، والله ان جائكم من مثلي و يعرف عقليتكم الساخرة و استهلاككم الانمي الي يغير سلوك الفرد و يجعل منه عايش في عالم اواهم. انتم لا تريدون خوفا من الرد يا عدمي الآباء و هاذي أيضا تؤثر على العقل. و اكبر شي هو عبادة الرجل الابيض الغربي و انتم تعلمون ان الرجل الابيض الغربي هو مصدر تشريعكم و توجهكم الفكري و الحياتي. اقسم بالله لا تستطيعون إثبات اي شي و لا اي شخص فيكم لديه اي حجة ضد الإسلام لأن انتم لا تمتلكون مرجع أخلاقي او منطق لأن العقل هو عضو في مفعلات كيميائية تكذب على نفسها بأن تمتلك إجابة و معنى و هي لا تمتلك اي شي مما يعني لا تستطيعون إثبات اي شي تقلونه. والله و انتم تعلمون اننا نحن المسلمين لن نريكم اي رحمة و نحن نستطيع تبرير ذلك و لماذا ليس لأن فقط القرآن قال بل لأنكم أيضا انتم خطر على المجتمع تفكرون في الفرد و كل ما تحملونه يدمر المجتمع ، العائلة و كل ما يمثل البشر عامة. لا تمتلكون اي شي تقدمونه للعالم إلا الجهل و الانحلال كلامكم كله كان قوي 100% سنة 2010 الآن عرفنا الحقائق و تعلمنا و نعرف ديننا و نعرف نرد على كتابكم المقدس الرجل الابيض الغربي و قيمة 2. غير صحيح اطلاقا، الأسلوب الي يستخدمونه جميع الملحدين هو مثل الأسلوب sarcasm السخرية و هو أسلوب محكم لضرب و اعدام النقاش التام و التقليل من الشأن. العقلية الساخرة نفسيا اتكلم هي عقلية ليست حميدة و حامل العقلية الساخرة لا يأخذ اي شي بمحل الجد حتى حياته نفسها. تعتقد أن حيلكم و مواضيعكم لم تكشف؟ كلامكم كله كان قوي ايام 2010 الحين انتم لا شب سوى عبيد الرجل الابيض الغربي و تتبعون ما يشرعه و ما يحرمه و تبررون كل أعماله. انظر لنفسك خفت انك تناقشني و انت تعلم أن ليس لك أخلاق او منطق لأن العقل في الإلحاد هو عضو فيه مفعلات كيميائية تكذب على نفسها بأن تمتلك إجابة و معنى و هي لا تمتلك اي شي فقط مفعلات كيميائية. مما يعني لا تستطيع إثبات اي شي او الاستدلال على اي شي. انتم كل ما تقدمونه هو مدمر للمجتمع و الحظارة ، الشذوذ، تدمير الأسرة، الأخلاق الذاتية المتغيرة ، الفردية، النسوية، الانحلال الفكري و الأخلاقي....الخ و كل ما يقف له الإسلام يحفظ المجتمع و الفرد عقدة نقص كبيرة فيكم ولا تستطيعون الوعي بما يحدث في دولنا لأنكم تشككون في كل شي إلا التهكم( الرجل الابيض الغربي ) و الإمبريالية الغربية. الغرب يرى أراضينا طاولة شطرنج ولا يسمح لنا بالتصدير لأن مع التصدير تكون دولة معتمدة على ذاتها و لها قرار لكن انتم لا تريدون التشكيك في الهتكم لأنها مرجعيتكم في كل شي و تدعون الإلحاد. كل الناس تتبع احد او شي و هاذي حقيقة جميع الفلسفة و الأفكار تتفق عليها و انتم تتبعون الرجل الابيض الغربي بسبب استهلاككم لكل ما هو غربي منذ الصغر. الآن راح تخاف الرد و التبرير لأن لا تمتلك اي شي تقوله مبني على منطق او فكر

[@albashir7140]

@@ahmadfrhan5265 ياعزيزي انا لست عبد احد .. انظر الى حال الدول العربية، نحن متخلفين في كل شيء ماشاء الله ، في قعر جميع الأمم ، ماديا و ثقافيا وصحيا وعسكريا و حتى في الأخلاق.. مشاء الله اخلاقك -تبارك الرحمان- سريع القذف و الشتم، من غير السوال او الاستفسارا عن ما قلت او اما كنت اصبو إليه.. تعرف في ايش متفوقين دول الشرق الاوسط و شمال أفريقيا !!! من أكثر الدول في التحرش الجنسي و الاغتصاب، من أكثر الدول التي يوجد فيها زواج القاصرات خصوصا (في اليمن و أفغانستان و باكستان ) من ٨ الى ١٠ بنات يموتون كل عام -حسب ارقام الامم المتحدة- نحن من أكثر الدول مطالعة للأفلام الإباحية (و خصوصا جنس المحارم) . هل تريد المزيد يا عزيزي! ميزانية الدول العربية و الإسلامية على ( البحث العلمي) تكاد ان تكون صفر!!! فهيا ٠،٠٢ في اغلب دولنا ... في مصر (على سبيل المثال للحصر) يوجد ٥٢ جامعة، و في المقابل هناك ١٥٠ الف مسجد. وهاذا ينطبق على جميع الدول العربية و الإسلامية بلا إستثناء. يا عزيزي انا قلبي يعتصر ألم على أولادنا و بناتنا عندما يسمعون كلام الشيوخ المضلل ، الذي يطلق عليهم لقب "علماء" و العلم برئ منهم، فهم مصممين على إبقائنا في نفس تفكير الناس الذين سبقونا بألاف السنين و هاذا ظلم ،لاننا نعيش في القرن الواحد و العشرين وليس القرن السابع. تحياتي

[@NoMadKid]

It is compatible. You just don’t want it to be.

[@asryorumcu5208]

Yes it is compatible. Medieval Christianity at the time was a more reactionary religion than Islam, but the westerners changed Christianity and adapted it to the way they wanted, and the same is true for Islam. lol

[@Vntihero]

No, very unlikely.

[@tauhidershadKUFNAFLORAN]

Do we have to be compatible according to their standards? If so, why? 😅😅

[@porphyry17]

according to your standards a 7th century p3d0 warlord is sent by God and Europeans are "inherently evil" for fighting against 1400 years of m00slim aggression(and because of 2-3 wars for oil and the modern woke current, which we ourselves don't really agree with) so... yeah... you can guess which side is more backward.

[@MateoMPM]

Because Muslims are moving to non Muslims nations like Europe So it's just normal to assume that some level of assimilation is required

[@hariskhan-xj4wk]

​@@MateoMPMdid european assimilated when they moved to australia newzealand canada usa?

[@MateoMPM]

@@hariskhan-xj4wk that's such a ridiculous response You're telling me that you see the Muslims coming to Europe as colonizers? Bruh

[@kuroazrem5376]

They should have gone to Britain and learnt about industrialization.

[@alexissvetrev]

Larger question: is religion compatible with sanity?

[@michaelangelo7313]

Another question:is religion compatible with devils👿?

[@nightsfall3n]

yes

[@Wartensteiin]

Wdym? Sanity=religious. If you're religious by default you're sane. Seems you're not sane based off this comment 💀

[@alexissvetrev]

@@Wartensteiin yes your logic is 110% sound

[@Wartensteiin]

@@alexissvetrev Its just a mockery of your logic. You cant attribute sanity to broad beliefs, like theism and atheism.

[@zainmudassir2964]

It's compatible with any culture and region. It's not ethnic based doesn't force people to give up their language and customs like what happened to Native American children kidnapped into reservation schools

[@bigsarge2085]

✌

[@jtgd]

Depends on the context and situations

[@ansibarius4633]

A boring, yet realistic assessment. ;)

[@jtgd]

@@ansibarius4633life is rarely a dichotomy. So much easier to simplify in expense of acknowledging things can be complicated

[@rickyyacine4818]

Anwser no duh but Egypt could have used putin tactics take what important only not everything like military style tactics reform technology stuff like that

[@cjclark1208]

Not while ideologically charged differences of Religion, Race, and Lifestyle exists, along with rampant imperialistic ambitions that serve to uphold capitalism which serves a few instead of wiping the slate and laying a foundation for the many.

[@DestinyAwaits19]

Capitalism and America didn't create terrorism. It comes from the pages of the Qur'an and Sunnah. A pious muslim is instructed to wage violent jihad for the sake of Allah and his messenger Muhammad. This is not a Western- Colonial phenomenon. Islam existed before colonization and American slavery. They are the problem. Not us. Get it now?

[@Mrgunsngear]

🍿

[@erinomani9105]

It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error. The Quran 33:36 And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie. The Quran 6:116

[@threecrownsantiques9376]

REPATRIATION

[@rickyyacine4818]

Islam and modernize like oil and water very hard to come by together

[@cjm7685]

That’s a negative

[@pedrosampaio7349]

Can't Muslims just be themselves? Like, as a Latin American, I hear fellow Latinos say LatAm is western, and in some cases it makes sense, but other times it kinda comes off as desperate and pathetic

[@DestinyAwaits19]

Latin America could be very powerful if they got their shit together. If all Spanish- speaking countries on the continent merged and joined forces, under the right economic conditions and cultural circumstances, you could rival the West in many fields and maybe even dominate the world. But it would be hard to undo the American- world order. English is a global language, and the internet spreads the planet, also an American website. But there is still hope. Latino America could be a power in its own right.

[@Rynewulf]

@@DestinyAwaits19the Latin aristocrats that lead the independence wars worked very hard to keep the countries divided, well before the US even had a navy.

[@hopeintruth5119]

It is not really desperate and pathetic when by fact Latin America is western by all sense of the word. The difference is that Latin America is poor. Which further distance it from the west which tends to see itself as rich with all the values that Latin America agrees or strive to be.

[@carlosacta8726]

I haven't watched the video. But I think the question begs some more context. What is the West and what is Islam? Let's define our terms...

[@CatnamedMittens]

The West is Athens and Jerusalem. Islam is Mecca and Medina.

[@DestinyAwaits19]

@@CatnamedMittens Exactly. Jesus healed the leper and fed the poor. Muhammad cut off heads and raped a 9 year old. That's the main difference.

[@abdifatahabdirahman9685]

@@CatnamedMittensAthens and Jerusalem are both Occupied Muslim cities

[@carlosacta8726]

@@CatnamedMittens OK how do you objectively come up with that? Also, name countries that are NOT the West and why?

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@carlosacta8726 it's not about the countries at all. It's about their ideas. Also Athens is objectively in the West. We had Plato and Socrates and Jesus Christ. They are people who have foundational impacts on the West

[@patrickjeffers7864]

In 2024? I don't think so. And I'm not religious

[@billbissenas2973]

Islam is still stunting progress in many places.

[@arshaddurrani3885]

We have regressed and the slide continues.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Nope.

[@4th_Disciple]

5: 50 did Tahtawi refer to them as "kuffar"? because in your video you used the word infidel.

[@michaelangelo7313]

I think that west of today is more like the era of jahiliyya and many Muslims were influenced badly and not only muslims the whole world sadly underwent through western modernism with all its advantages and catasrophes.

[@RobertNikolaGrujic-pk6li]

The worst thing for a nation is an elite schooled by the enemy, Rifa’a al-Tahtawi did not serve the interest of his own people but rather a foreign power, giving a soild bedrock for arab nationalism to flourish to then be used by the British as a proxy power vs the Ottomans. But put the arab music in the background, talk calmly and maybe someone would think high of this Rifa’a al-Tahtawi...

[@felip3442]

Islam is way more similar to Christianity than it is different

[@Inge-99]

No. Much different. Jesus is a completely different role model than evil M.

[@felip3442]

@@Inge-99 your comment just shows how much you don't know about Islam yet you ignorantly give your opinion

[@Inge-99]

@@felip3442 well, mister smug, I spent about a 1000 hours reading and listening about it and I have never been so disgusted and horrofied in my life. The horror, the horror...evil!!! Hopeful about 25% of youth is leaving that death cult.

[@marcusj9947]

@@felip3442 Jesus is God in Christianity. Big difference

[@lanetomkow6885]

Ideologies are too different I think. Assimilation doesn't occur very well. It's the philosophy in general that doesn't match. Also, Islamic culture has never had a reformation that truly separates church from state yet. Which is probably the biggest problem.

[@HikmaHistory]

Does Islamic culture need a reformation though? And if so, why?

[@lanetomkow6885]

@HikmaHistory Secularism is needed in the culture to be compatible with Western Culture. In my opinion.

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

​@@HikmaHistory Not necessarily. As long as theyre willing to admit their countries are oppressive and theocratic.

[@DavidGoliath-pu3np]

absolutely not

[@ElyasBinYahya]

Obviously yes. Spain and Portugal are in the West and were Muslim majority countries for a long time.

[@54032Zepol]

the levant, Anatolia, north Afrika, and Greece all used to be Christian majority countries for the longest time as well.

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

@@54032Zepol They are semetic Arabs and Christianity is not the west or the white man. Alchohol reduces brain size that explains European inconsistency

[@shafsteryellow]

​@@54032Zepoland pagan before that

[@54032Zepol]

@@shafsteryellow good thing Christianity corrected them

[@LoudWaffle]

Unfortunately popular memory of history in the west (read: bad and uninformed understandings of history) remembers the 700~ish years of Al-Andalus as just a horde of foreign invaders beseiging Christian lands nonstop for all of that time, or some similar ridiculousness.

[@stevearchtoe7039]

Nope

[@gabrielkaplowitz596]

I’d say no. At least the modern west and Islam are incompatible.

[@aiya5777]

Qatar banning alcohol in worldcup, and ofc everybody loses their minds even tho drinking Alcohol is bad and can cause cancer, even if the adults don't get cancer, their children could get afflicted by having the parents who love drinking So ofc incompatible, the westerners are clowns and the west is the whole circus

[@mad3721]

​@@aiya5777yip yap sand/Viğğer

[@rafael9rash]

Prophet Muhammad(SAW) already said that Muslims will follow Jews and Christians exactly as they do. It was a question for me about when this started for a long time. Allaah never sent humans to modernise in the world. In fact Allaah keeps on warning that don't divulge in worldly affairs that will divert from Allah's remembrance and straight path. The only reason behind our presence in this world is to live as per Allah's guidance. Not according to infidel humans who are after the world. Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said that the intelligent person is the one who identified God. If a person excelled in worldly knowledge, failing to identify God is a fool and a lover. Al Tahtawi's ideology has dragged the Muslim world far away from the true purpose set by Allaah. In fact it has made Muslims slave of Jews and Christians. Allaah won't ask whether you modernise or not. Allaah will ask whether you fulfilled the purpose by following my messenger and his message. I have watched so many of your other videos as well. Very much informative and knowledgeable. I learnt a lot. Jazakallaah khair.

[@HikmaHistory]

It should be noted that At-Tahtawi's ideas don't clash with Islam. All he did was identity certain trends in the West and saw those things being highlighted by Islam as well - e.g. Democracy complementing Islam's injunctions upon its leaders to rule justly by taking his people's views into account.

[@Crabby303]

If Pan-Arabism could shake off the shackles of Islamism I think it would be a good thing.

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

Hi cheap ka fir , I am Muslim Arab brown and PROUD. I will tell you why we dislike democracy and all western isms and all ideologies, I challenge whites to come here debate. now about Democracy it gives the rights to everyone specially the degenerated and rights for lobbyists who play on the country's affairs in and out and rights for people with bad intentions to reach powerful positions and divide the country in left and right and make the country stand for nothing and destroys the identity of the people ( civilization ) sound fimilar? 🏳️‍🌈🇪🇺🇺🇸 Historically speaking all countries and civilizations stood for something and if you tolerate everything than you stand for nothing. in order for a civilization to stand against hardship and all waves they need to stand for something and democracy and secularism doesn't offer this in fact both are hypocritical systems and subjective. Democracy is Hypocrisy as i explained why above. in nowhere that secularism is " good ". God is our Maker and he knows what is best for us. Everything God made forbidden, It harms us in individual level and collective level And everything God Made Halal ( allowed ) is good for us in individual level and Collective level. for example, Islam believes in the institution of Marriage highly. without it the society will fall as we see. Why? because without Marriage there's no commitment nor rules and Women will end up having Kids without fathers for which will produce single parent households which produces mental illness which eventually gives birth to all types of decadence. In Islam we believe our actions have consequences in individual level and collective level. In secular society, Criminals who committed murder and vile crimes, are put in Jails belt by the people's taxes and fed by the people's taxes. In Islam, People who committed Murder and vile crimes like spreading decadence which leads to the demise of the society, are put to death. In secular society, Alchohol is allowed which harms the person in individual level and collective level. in individual level it destroys his life achieving nothing and causes kidney failure, in collective level it destroys the family which leads eventually to the destruction of society as mentioned before and the birth of all decadence. In Islam, Alchohol is forbidden and the one who sells or drinks get lashed publicly. Now if you do it in your home and no one sees that's your sin ,but to do publicly or advocate for it, you go against God's rule that protect society. Sin is contagious and that is why it must not be public. God said in the Quran " You may dislike something although it is good for you, or like something although it is bad for you: God knows and you do not.’" I can see why now Shariah is the way to live and build a strong society and the only way to eradicate all decadence and isms in society. Note: no Muslim countries now don't implement the sharia now because if they did, they will be sanctioned or " freedom" will be lunched on them. But We implement shariah on ourselves and our families and society willingly and if it must, we force it on our society even if our country refuse.

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

refute this, Am brown Arab and proud ^ refute this you talk a lot and comment a lot and get 10000000000 likes yet prove nothing and challenge nothing. proud Muslim brown Arab Alhamdulillah not white nor European

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

I challenged you, when the backward Arabs ruled by Islam, Muslims thrived in all fields as Islam does not reject learning it rejects that science is the source of true objective " truth" as you know since you are the master ss waffen race that in space there are matters that are no liquid, gas or solid and science and our mind cannot comprehend so how science is the truth? ss waffen master genetics ss waffen. Alhamdulillah am not white nor European

[@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights]

​@@ahmadfrhan5265you're projecting. You've made this comment multiple times and disrespected your own white skinned European brothers in Bosnia. Maybe you're not a brother of this ummah at all?

[@CatnamedMittens]

​@@ahmadfrhan5265Muhammad was red haired and fair skinned.

[@maesua4425]

Question: Isn't West Christian country? Didn't Marry the mother of Jesus wore hijab and more clothing? Then....

[@SonOfMorning]

Modern west is enlightement product. Not a Christian.

[@solvingpolitics3172]

No! Every other immigrant group integrates. “Peaceful Community” believes it comes to be your master.

[@Hastenforthedawm]

Imagine thinking all western Muslims were immigrants. Islam is a cosmopolitan religion found on all continents, among all ethnic groups. Islam is no more an immigrants religion than Christianity (and Mexican immigrants are Christian usually).

[@christophermarkee5445]

​@@HistoryOfRevolutionsWhich makes them invaders if you can't respect or follow another society's rules.

[@TheEverFreeKing]

​​@@HistoryOfRevolutionsbut if their values are dog shit like the Muslims they should integrate.

[@Hastenforthedawm]

@@arsalaannet your comment doesn't make any sense. Try it like this "Mexican Catholic immigrants aren't real Catholics"

[@Inge-99]

​@@HistoryOfRevolutionsin that case stay home. You are not suitable to be a migrant.

[@Salim-wr2wk]

The more I learn about Egypt's history, it's people and their decadent leaders the more disappointed I become of their deviant lifestyles and Western social tendencies. Egypt's has a shameful history indeed. Learning technology doesn't require learning their literature and changing the Sunnah of Islam. Horrible history.

[@domenicozagari2443]

Is giudaism compatible with the west"