Is it even worth bothering with the Wish-Keeper catalysts?

[@Guile_The_Exile]

Hatch is the best honestly. Anything that gives extra attacks after an initial kill is always welcomed.

[@Neon_tedious]

And threadling kills from the bow add stacks to the suspend shot. Works great on my strand warlock

[@Ahnock]

​@@Neon_tediousohhh my god i didnt even think that the hatchling spawns would be counted as weapon kills, yeah 100% im going with that once i unlock it, thats a really important feature to be aware of.

[@ehkoin]

Imma go out on a limb and say the wish keeper catalysts are in the game

[@DaReaIJesus]

Shiiiii bruh how the fuck did you know??!! 😱😱

[@Zurrke]

Litewally

[@LightCrib2]

Hehe. Limb.

[@ehkoin]

@@LightCrib2 I'm glad you got the joke

[@Warlord97.]

Jokes are usually funny ​@@ehkoin

[@keviniaquinto128]

Hatchling with them funny little warlock boots was a fun 15 minutes. I waited until the 4th catalyst to just do one run for all of them. It's not a bad exotic, there's just better options. The dungeon bow offers hatchling as well, so there's that lol

[@squadass99]

See, the exotic primary buff in higher end content means I'm running wishkeeper over the dungeon bow. I ran it in the corrupted with my necrotic hatchling setup on broodweaver and it cooked so hard it made my game lag lmao

[@vrika4280]

The point of the exotic having hatchling is to get more stacks, not for having the perk itself. It really has nothing to do if you can get the perk on a different bow.

[@gutpunchYT]

wait can get all the catalysts in one run?

[@Spooqi]

@@gutpunchYTOnce you have all of the "Constellation" missions, you can progress them at the same rate and complete the missions in one Legend run

[@kevink763]

I love running hatchling to build further into a threadling build and the suspension capability of the bow rounds out the strand kit from there

[@benodoms63004]

The catalyst should have all four effects

[@NoahThatcher]

Fr, suspend is so abismal now it needs the suspend perks as like default on the weapon lol

[@thatoneguy2136]

@@NoahThatcheryeah back when we knew suspend was gonna get nerfed I thought it was gonna go from 8 seconds to 5 not 3 😂. I think 5 seconds base would be fair

[@hatchell18]

@@thatoneguy2136it’s not 3. It’s 4-7 seconds based on if it’s a regular enemy or champ

[@oxsila]

How is suspend abysmal you can literally suspend any champion, even if for a shorter time, that's still extremely useful. People these days call anything that isn't Destiny 1 Gally level strong abysmal and they wonder why the game doesn't excite them anymore lmao@@NoahThatcher

[@thatoneguy2136]

@@hatchell18 according to the patch notes back in season of the deep when strand got nerfed, yellow bars were nerfed to 3 seconds, 4 with the fragment

[@toastedslimeofficial]

I feel like Wish-Keeper, like many other exotics, does the thing that it is designed for very well. Using the Hatchling Refit with a proper Threadling focused Warlock build, and you can effectively always have the Snareweaver arrow prepared to go for whenever you require it. It is true that a Threadling made by the bow only gives one arrow, but if you're popping heads and constantly making those little buddies? The combination of the two will effectively provide you endless Snareweaver arrows, and I feel like the combination shines more if you lean into The Wanderer with Mindspun instead.

[@FettuccineAllaGay]

it really needed Archer’s Tempo. The archetype is so slow for its damage per shot without it, even with the multiplier from Suspending

[@Changingtesting]

Literally mid tier draw speed on this bow, comparing most precision frames and even hierarchy of needs and wish ender to this, this bow is quite fast and nimble,

[@RoyaltonDrummer922]

@@Changingtestingwish ender does so much more damage. It’s not a fair comparison. This thing flings peas

[@names7278]

Wish ender is also slow as hell, this does a fair amount of damage for its (boosted) attack speed. It really just doesn't compare with hierarchy in the "stand still and spam arrows" play style

[@hatchell18]

You can get it to around 600 draw speed. That’s extremely fast for a bow like this.

[@adummy9664]

It gets a somewhat boosted Archer's Tempo every time you Suspend a target, so it feels better to use if you're on a Suspend Strand build like Abeyant Leap Titan since then you're much more consistently getting the +100 Reload and 30% faster Draw Time while dealing +50% more damage to the Suspended targets.

[@agathor2017]

I'm going to hard recommend the longer duration traps. During the lake of shadows gm my teammate was able to nonstop bully the tormentor and we killed it without it ever laying a finger on us

[@gabrieltorres6633]

TBF vorpal on a primary ain't the worst thing. Like for example, this week's nf. I can exhaust my entire special and heavy ammo on the boss and still have half of his first bar and like no heavy drops for the rest of the fight. It's so sluggish to chip away without any on demand damage perks. Even with polaris and radiant and ignition it's just tedious.

[@TargetSniper365]

Skill issue. Should be running a cenotaph warlock. In fact GM’s should be three warlocks only, anything less is a throw. Moron.

[@steveshay1358]

If you are having ammo issues on the Hypernet boss you should be taking craniums from the previous encounter up with you. You really only need 1 maybe 2 to destroy the required targets and the rest can be used to deal on level damage to the boss while rapidly regening super.

[@gabrieltorres6633]

@steveshay1358 I do that for every phase. Problem is playing with randoms

[@hobartpaving8986]

I really like it on Dead Man's Tale.

[@j8000]

Convert charges into green bricks via special finisher.

[@averyjoseph6855]

i see this bow strictly as a way to switch up some of the monotony of using banner of war titan, had a blast with this bow & abeyant leap in GM’s last week with the almost almost constant CC uptime, but you’re completely right in the champion control department, it’s fairly weak and could use some help (thank god for rockets 😎)

[@Furbiscuit_og]

Liked this bow enough to make 3 copies with different catalysts for different builds. Warlock loves his threadlings, Hunter loves his vorpal, Titan is just waiting on Navigator to drop because I'd rather 1 phase the boss than suspend champs for longer, but until it does...

[@oak3279]

Hatchling + Rebirth is a good combo since you get 2 threadlings per kill sometimes

[@thewanderer5506]

As a Titan, I ran enhanced duration and Abeyant Leap with a focus on locking down Unstops and spawn groups. I could see running Hatchling as a Warlock or Hunter, since they can spec into Threadlings more easily

[@chloec4009]

I just got them all yesterday and running hatchling on it on a Warlock with the suspend grenade and Swarmers really makes you feel like you’re fully specced into both Suspend and Threadlings without sacrificing anything.

[@yeraymartinez3528]

Can somebody tell me why when I drop my rift, my stacked threadlings won't go after the enemies? My aspects are the wanderer and mindspun 7:17

[@JigolOwO]

hatchling plus swarmers is very funny for meep builds, and gives you decent access to suspend even with threadling grenade

[@kymerahYT]

Or, hear me out. Consuming a Shacklewell grenade to make every arrow kill suspend and spawn a hatchling.

[@ChemistyStudent]

I've been enjoying Grapple for the utility+Threadlings

[@fuzzdad2]

Titan with hatchling on the bow with abeyant leaps with drengies lash gives you consistent orbs, suspends and theeadlings. Using this bow helps you keep the sequences going so you can suspend almost indefinitely and when it's working the threadlings. In a Coil run I'm constantly getting 100+ orbs.

[@hudsonps4669]

I’ve been running a warlock build using this bow with hatchling, wanderers and weavers call, threadling grenades and thread of rebirth. Exotic is swarmers. Even without the artifact, you get threadlings for precision kills, sometimes two. Your tangles can suspend enemies and generate more threadlings. Bow helps even more so with suspend. And your threadlings unravel because of the exotic. Been running the toughest GMs like Psiops and heist on LFGs, and I’m constantly the person with the highest number of kills, because the threadlings generated simply consume most red ads, and you get a decent amount of suspend even being a warlock.

[@thefunny3320]

idea for a build (havent tested yet) verity's brow + weaver's call + mindspun invocation + shackle grenade warding (woven mail on orb) + mind (suspend kills charge rift) + evolution (better threadlings) + wisdom (suspend kills create an orb, 10 second cooldown) consume shackle > get kills with the bow or rift threadlings > aoe suspend on kill > kill suspended targets with bow(more damage to suspended targets), creates more orbs and more threadlings AND recharges your rift (thread of mind) AND your grenade (from verity's brow perk) AND charges your bow trap > restart the cycle by either consuming your shackle or deploying a trap -this alleviates the pain of strand warlock not having a ton of healing other than the rift by having rifts up constantly -using a siphon mod with thread of wisdom can easily allow you to reach a 2:1 kill:orbs ratio in most pve activities -thread of wisdom allows your threadlings to make orbs on suspended target kills

[@skywolfzz]

The allure of hatchling is that wishkeeper is one of two bows that has it, the other being locked behind warlords ruin and rng

[@AeroWraith901]

I love hatchling on this bow. This perk on the bow plus an artifact mod and swarmers has made it really fun for strand warlock for me. Threadlings and unravels for dayz and bow itself and wanderer aspect for the suspends

[@Aj-py8en]

Honestly I've just been using it as a hatchling weapon that gets a huge damage buff against suspended targets. I completely ignore the suspend trap part unless there's an emergency, relying only on mindspun. Kill 1 enemy and now you have a threadling that deals 50% more damage to everything that got suspended, and your bow draws a tonne faster.

[@outplayprime7094]

I went through some of these same thoughts and ended up uing Round Robin as my hatchling weapon. Paired with enhanced subsistence so you never have to reload. And if youre not using an exotic heavy you can use buried bloodline to proc devour and keep yourself alive (and give more threadling grenades). Unraveling op

[@kZkZ]

I really like using these types of exotics on a subclass that is different than the weapon - eg having devour and suspend is really nice

[@dankerbell]

ngl if this is even a question, i feel like we already know the answer considering the initial impressions of the weapon

[@glacie3001]

7:08 It’s this reason why I don’t quite agree using this bow for a threadling build route. Using this bow just made my normal threadling build worse then it did when I just used Demo + Hatchling Rufus Fury. Even last season when I first made the build it was doing better than it is with the bow. This bow has uses don’t get me wrong, but just because hatchling is the best catalyst doesn’t mean you suddenly need to throw it in a threadling build, you’re just hurting yourself at that point imo. But each to their own!

[@sumfyrmin4722]

I wonder if Bungie could buff the catalyst by for example replacing the Vorpal one with one that extends Suspension: This would 1) buff it’s usability outside of pairing it with a strand subclass as u have access to longer suspensions without strand 2) potentially you could have it extend ALL of your suspension effects by like 2s. This would make it be extremely valuable in any suspend build AND make suspend builds stronger over all again (maybe to contest with stuff like Banner)

[@bigbazza1206]

Datto has my favourite titles in the scene. He answers my real questions

[@therockfan10001]

This bow is nice, then I used verglas curve… and trinity ghoul… that shit is like crack. This bow just feels slow with no huge pop off moment. Even Hierarchy has the increased rate of fire and moment to just go off. This is just a suspend option which literally NONE of the classes struggle with doing.

[@ashketchum8431]

My only complaint with the bow is I wish we had to trigger the snare arrow instead of hip firing to trigger it. Having it ads all the time is annoying when I could just hipfire in certain instances. Otherwise it’s certainly an interesting bow.

[@scrawnyclownsnatch9656]

I think the best way to make the bow the nest it can be, with the least changes is ANY hatchling kill generates snare sacks. Whether it's from grenades, abilities etc... That said, I have been having fun with it in almost every difficulty level, which is always a good sign for a gun (though the artifact mods are definitely a major part in that).

[@alaskayoung3413]

So it will basically greatly benefit warlock and hunter and do nothing for Titan?

[@scrawnyclownsnatch9656]

@@alaskayoung3413 a gun that's good on 2/3 characters is still a win in my book. To make it good on Titan would require a pretty major change I imagine, which is not what I went for.

[@rythis155]

Hatchling actually goes hard though, every single kill creating a threadling is a huge damage boost

[@nolandbeyond6230]

I grinded out all the catalysts for this bow, just so it can be put away forever in my vault never to be used again.

[@TheSilvercue]

Hatchling on this bow with Warlock threadling build is excellent. I use grapple grenade for 3 more threadlings in melee kill. It is fine in GM level content

[@PAID2BFAMOUS]

You almost got Joe Blackburned by that overload champ in the beginning 💪

[@dtownboys15]

Multi threaded snare seems like the choice for me, on paper at least because of the newer activities add density. I really don’t see myself using this over other exotic bows though :(

[@tonyhamilton7785]

"It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it"

[@augistineaquinas3325]

i find the first cata helpful on an abeyant leap titan esp on gms like BIRTH OF VILE, id get an easy 6 stack for new trap, and since the spawns are in certain areas, one trap can take 2 waves instead of just one.

[@biggestwanderer8827]

Thanks for the help, Datto. Just got the Deluxe Lightfall for $33 on Xbox. Now I’m playing catch-up.

[@PorcuDuckSlug]

I definitely expected a short Quicksilver Storm comment at the end, must’ve taken insane restraint not to

[@DB_________]

This bow needs a buff on generic damage. Lemon, Wish, Trinity and Ticcu are just miles ahead

[@just_d3spairity]

I wonder if you could have had more fun with it if you hadn't used swarmers and mindspun, but instead went for The Wanderer. Hatchling making threadlings would allow that niche part of The Wanderer of Tangle Generation on Threadling kill come up, plus the Wanderer would give you another avenue of Suspension to trigger the perk, letting you kinda chain the headshot kills into each other. Other than giving you some free threadlings on tangle detonation, I'm not sure how much help Swarmers really gave you, seeing as the warlock melee already can supply Unravel in spades. Seeing as you were already pairing weapon and subclass, I almost feel Verity's Brow could have given you more in the end.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

And then after this season it goes in the vault.

[@carpemkarzi]

Pretty much what figured. I don’t have the catys yet but I have run a hatchling build with my lock and yeah. Standard content is a wipe and higher end I got better up time but both were fun Will still grab the catys just in case but yeah

[@tackleberry9386]

every time i attempt the starcrossed mission i just get booted from the servers either starting the boss encounter or after the second one. havent even gotten the bow yet its definitely not worth putting up with the servers

[@reeidly]

the dungeon bow with hatchling is equally as fun imo, and it doesnt take up an exotic slot (it and round robin were equally good)

[@ShutchyerLips]

I will say the bow made me want to give strand another shot on my warlock. I haven't gotten there quite yet, but it made me want to

[@Technizor]

Does Hatchling proc when you kill a suspended enemy with a bodyshot? It looks like Wishkeeper deals precision hit damage on suspended targets, but I couldn't see from the footage if it spawned the hatchling if it wasn't actually a headshot.

[@lt3880]

no. the yellow damage number is because enemies are weakened to wishkeeper while suspended.

[@Nienna_Asyare]

The only use I see for vorpal on a primary is when you have no ammo left for others or if you're shooting a guardian in their super in the crucible lol

[@JonnBell]

I fell asleep doing this mission for this Bow. It went into the vault and couldn't careless if I get any of these catalysts. Same with the Glaive tbh.

[@hawkteflon]

I haven't played in a bit. Thought this was Wish Ender for the first half and I was thinking "wow, they really changed that bow."

[@rainbownoodles9152]

Looking forward to tomorrows reset for the first time in a while. I bought Legend of Acrius and wanted to get the catalyst but couldnt do the nightfall because i dont own the lightfall DLC which is kinda dumb because if the strike comes up in the playlist you can do it even without lightfall.

[@dtps_champion6016]

Mixed up the words fragment and aspect when talking about class v class

[@oxsila]

If this bow hit as strong or close to as strong as wishender whilst still maintaining all these things it has, it would be S tier

[@viincanity]

got the bow and the catalyst just for the sake of having it/them. very underwhelming bow, and underwhelming mission too (like every "secret" exotic mission has been since outbreak and whisper).

[@mjc1019]

Spot on as always. Thank you for the content!

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

The Starcrossed mission was so mid that I waited until the last catalyst was available to get all of them in one go.

[@pastuzoofearth8835]

skill issue

[@2intheampm512]

That's surprising! I enjoyed Starcrossed

[@Changingtesting]

Really good story wise and scenic wise but as for mechanics it was okay, unique though!

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

@@pastuzoofearth8835 it wasn’t even hard, just boring. Operation Seraph Shield was way cooler.

[@someonehadkevin]

That was almost as epic as the Joeverload fight at the start there Datto!

[@1ld2950]

Personally unless they change the quests for the xtra catalysts I am not going to bother I don't use the bow often enough to make the xtra effort and trying to get a good fire team together worth it.

[@gldni17]

I know of one specific reason to get all four catalysts: it's required to buy the Riven plush from the Bungie store. 😊

[@Frostt001]

ive been on that palworld grind fr

[@sivithepony5171]

The fact the mission for the bow was tied to the story, and not a side thing killed ALL interest in the bow. Soon as i completed the mission, i vaulted it and never used it, and no intention to.

[@nathanielbryan9134]

Haven’t got the bow yet, but isn’t suspending a champion 3 times in one proc of the trap a good thing? Don’t know about y’all, but ima have thet boi dead by then.

[@drphumbles]

Really wish they would have swapped out Vorpal for Slice on this thing.

[@johnnynicholls1043]

It definitely cooked last week for me in the dreaming city lost sector. I probably wouldn't of used it if not for needing a unstoppable bow lol. But to my surprise i finished the lost sector on legendary with no deaths in 3 mins 58 sec using that bow mostly. Got my pyrogales and got out hahaha. Cheers

[@icarusblues7699]

I just got hatchling cuz of my "EVERYONE GETS A HATCHLING" build. And, oh boy it was worth it. Also never really use the snares. I made a built around it's looks

[@jurionov5358]

Vorpal is a dead perk for me bcs as said, its shit on primary and there are way better perks on specials and heavies, but hatchling is great, you gotta commit full build to it, but on suspend titan or swarmer warlock its great

[@MrRickysteven]

Hi i need to know the best perks for barriers in GM’s

[@wetpigeon]

The threadling one is the best, hands down no contest

[@donalddavis303]

The titan boots allow you to not have to run these of warning with shackle grenade and the bow suspension giving woven mail It's definitely a slower playstyle then banner of war gives though

[@l3ftie578]

i put vorpal and it honestly came in clutch when i was cheesing a boss

[@triplepersys]

i spent 5 hours soloing this ass mission just for 3 of them. i regret it so badddd

[@haramberoth117]

We all do. I just dismantled it and got final warning. So much better than this bow

[@erikrpeterson]

Did you try with Vengeful Whisper? (bow from the dungeon which can get hatchling)

[@somnus970]

Hatchling on it literally made my build even more insane

[@Jcoolwhip1]

I would sub out mindspun for the wanderer. The tangles will suspend and spawn threadlings.

[@airgunsandstuffyorkshire269]

Stopped using it a while ago. I have enough suspend on my setup.

[@proassassin8473]

The problem is any higher difficulty activity with Shields this Bow is Ass Unless in Final Shape they start giving activities Strand shields this now will be a Vault weapon.

[@Jilorgius]

Vorpal for titan build with boots Hatchling for the other 2 classes

[@JFW243]

Can you do a video like this for Vexcalibur?

[@icarusreaver3184]

6 ticks takes too long and it should be a hold X effect instead of hipfire. I wanna use my gun and having F tier gun feel is the main issue

[@TReynard11]

Not in my book. I already have two sources of suspend as a Hunter, why do I need another? Very, very niche bow. Not worth the trouble. Much like the Avalon catalyst.

[@DevilPanda1337]

I liked wish keeper, until you have to destroy barriers.

[@kjax139]

Quick answer: No

[@bruhfis786]

I only did it so i could buy the riven plushie

[@Chalibay415]

Love hatchling personally, I just dislike that the bow seems kinda low damage wise.

[@boyo357]

I was hoping the more traps would just make the trap bigger and am sad it's not cause i want to build into the gimmick it feels boring to just slap a perk i can find on any other weapon onto my exotic I could just run another hatchling weapon then. Personally i would say make the AOE trap perk make it bigger, or combine both trap perks into one catalyst and leave vorpal and hatchling there.

[@NordicMetal93]

Do the Threadlings spawned by Hatchling get the exotic +40% on red bar bonus?

[@haramberoth117]

If it allowed you to unravel suspended enemies it be a bit better

[@geko1410]

This bow sounded really nice, but honestly suspend is useless to me since now it last less time, and on top of that suspend tends to bug champion mechanic, so it has become worthless to me.

[@silverwolf2761]

Hatchling is the best. Synergy with strand, cam help damage and is a great bonus bit of damage. The actual trap catalysts don't seem necessary - never feel like I need more time on the trap and there aren't enough encounters to need the extra procs. I love Vorpal but Hatchling cam help you do damahr on all targets and can get ylu closer to the next trap with kills.

[@C4mpblor]

You had it at "fun" this bow with a threadling heavy warlock is so fun.

[@LegendOfFarore]

i love this bow and hate it at the same time. id rather use the dungeon bow or the iron banner ar if i need a strand weapon primary

[@enloeeagle7258]

I was very confused until I realized this is a different weapon from Wish Ender 😂

[@samvimes9510]

The bow itself isn't even worth bothering with.

[@MooseisGod]

Yes, but only so you can get the riven plushie

[@nanosmokex6998]

I think i'll just stick to using unstop HC for less risk of the champion rushing me

[@seraphimvalkyrin4543]

Wait, they nerfed suspend?

[@toadallyawful]

the crafted exotic weapons actually aren't real and can't hurt you

[@Norbit1223]

Thank you Mr. Travel for my opinion

[@ipnugget]

The foetracer pvp build is quite brutal

[@mazamonx]

Haven't played this season at all yet. It's about 10 weeks in now I think. Is it time to just jump on and grab everything? I assume everything is available to play now? Should I wait?

[@kassaken6521]

Yeah, everything is here. You can do all the catalysts quest in one go rather than running the legendary version over and over again. I did it solo.

[@GoDLiKe211]

It's a good time to do it. You can do the whole season story without waiting, and they're about to put out some post-seasonal missions to get more stuff.

[@mazamonx]

@@kassaken6521 thank you I'll have a look at how to get all of them in one run. Hopefully the mission is fun at least.

[@mazamonx]

@@GoDLiKe211 ok sure, thanks for that. Will run it all now then.

[@mazamonx]

@ObsoleteVodkaYT oh they are actually adding more content later, maybe I'll start now on one character then. Thanks.