Is It Time For a Change? 3,000 Miles On The Tarmac SL8

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

@3:10... road tire comparison... YES PLEASE

[@Jacob99174]

Def do the overall road tire comparison please Great vid

[@ericstobin4305]

That was really informative. I’d love to hear more about all the different tires you’ve been using. All good things in all good time. Great communication style-clear, honest and to the point 👊

[@brett_frondorf]

This video was very helpful as I am currently building my Bora Tarmac Frame. Have the Dura Ace groupset and Frame already but the build won‘t be complete until the 120mm x 400mm roval rapide cockpit is back in stock eventually

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

Road tire, wheelset widths is now a thing after it’s been much more highlighted by: 1. Tour magazine 2. Even David Arthur & the Hunt limitless width 3. Front widths & aéro front end Vs rear end comfort

[@outdoorbros_]

True. I think NorCal Cycling really started the recent conversation.

[@matthindman3866]

Really appreciate the channel. You and I have such similar taste in bikes. My SL8 is set up exactly the same, except I'm running 30mm schwalbe pro ones and dura ace which I would highly recommend. Dura ace is faster shifting, more reliable and esthetically far superior.

[@DanaBlack]

Have done a lot of personal testing and love 32s, even if my rims aren't aero optimized for it.

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

When the clock strikes midnight I hope it turns back into a Venge

[@jesseladd6864]

Tarmac (using Rapide cockpit and CLX wheels) is technically more Aero than the Venge ever was and is more stable/lighter. I do agree the Venge is sexy 😩

[@kimwarner6050]

I changed to a 155mm carbon crankset, new super light wheelset, 30mm tires, and I got two integrated cockpits. I can't decide which one to run. Current weight is 6.17kg pro frame set

[@baruchbrodersen9990]

Only complaint with SRAM Red has been the 10t cog. Not nearly as efficent as an 11t. Don't know if you've noticed, but its not a true 2x12. You get 12 in the big ring and only 11 in the small.(The 35x10 is blocked due to clearance.)

[@clipsandstrapsjounal]

Love my AXS and Di2 performs super well. Honestly the dream group would be mechanical SRAM red hydro brakes, but with new shifters that didn't look so ugly. Never needing to think about batteries being charged etc etc just simple to go ride.

[@pjohns8]

Always enjoy your insights, reliability is the key, gear needs to work.

[@tccycling]

Glad you brought up switching to Shimano. I have zero chain drops on my bikes with 11-speed Shimano groups. Sram still doesn't have it right for road. Seeing folks buy new bikes with a now 5-year old group on it makes me cringe.

[@Shadowboost]

I haven't dropped a chain for 8,000 miles

[@reflectionsdetail]

Yes I'm in the same boat, The new RED has be wondering will it be worth it. I love my DA! I too am thinking of changing to shorter cranks, I like the SRM Look crank as I could adjust the length without the worry of selling cranks only to find I want them back. I like the DA 53/40 chainring, I'm pretty sure you could do a 53/36 with no issue........maybe a 34? LOL. I need the climbing ratios, but find I'm wishing for a 53 on the flats......I guess this is what happens when you live in mountains and flat terrain. Will be curious what you go with

[@gianpaolocunha]

What about relax and enjoy what you have.... find a very very good mechanic and ask for a precise tunning. If he can't make it, ask what needs to be changed. Get the precision set in your bike and just enjoy it.... I had an old bike with 7 speed (decades ago)... I know... but it was so, so precise, so perfect that I still miss this bike. I have a great bike, great Shimano groupset... my focus is get it to perfection tunning. And... enjoy... no stress.

[@MarkCox11]

I'm on a size 56 bike and switched to 165mm cranks, and I have only positive things to say about it

[@Shadowboost]

I want to try short cranks

[@plain-bagel]

What's the rationale for shorter cranks these days? When I was heavy into racing, riders were going long cranks for more torque on the climbs.

[@MarkCox11]

@plain-bagel For me I was able to raise my seat by 10mm which resulted in a flatter, more aero profile. I was also able to open up my hips which meant I could put out better power for longer while in the drops or in the aero hoods position. If your hips are very flexible or you're already in a racy/flat position then there may be less of a benefit for you.

[@plain-bagel]

@@MarkCox11Ahh, interesting! Thanks for the perspective.

[@em5710]

I also have 30mm tires on the same setup. Have you heard anyone have them pop off on high speed corners on hill descents.

[@outdoorbros_]

Negative. Have you?

[@victordub]

swithced my rvial crank from 46 33 to new force 48 35... finally dont feel like im going to drop my chain when changing gears on the big ring

[@youloveulises]

Funny how some of us switch over to SRAM for the same easy, hassle-free experience. Ride what works for you I guess!

[@8rk]

What hassle did you experience with shimano?

[@jeffpabilonia]

hearing about SRAM chaindrops before building my Aethos, I decided to go with new Force D2 levers and Force D2 front derailleur, RED rear derailleur max 36 with Force 10-36, lighter RED crankset 46/33 for steeper climbs, Rapide Cockpit, works perfectly, zero dropped chains, though I've always used chain catchers on road and mtb per racing experience, there have definitely been significant improvements in latest SRAM groups, can't wait to see new RED, another TDF win?

[@petersouthernboy6327]

I’ve been racing SRAM Rival for two years on gravel with zero issues.

[@werb24]

54/40 w a larger cassette is the best set up on SRAM. The shifting is cleaner than the 48 or 50.

[@erickcustomersupport3677]

always thorough insights! happy new year!

[@jonathan_guerrero]

I'm injured and going to physical therapy but regardless, I've logged 20 miles only in the past month on my supersix evo 🙃

[@declan2227]

Would love to see your thoughts on the tires you have tried. Thanks.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

@1:06... not just any Arundel bottle cage... the Mandible, baby. Legendary bottle holding power. Wouldn't be surprised if this never dropped a bottle. Ever. Anywhere. In any condition.

[@CycoWarriorx]

Definitely a road tire comparison… 🍻

[@ZwiftDude]

Someone mentioned something about that Roval Rapide one piece cockpit on the SL8 put on an S works Venge 2020 will take it to another level beyond...

[@anthonyagee8737]

How do you manage the GP5000's without constant punctures? Neither front or rear 28's could handle a single summer without 4+ punctures each. Most sealed, not all (using Stans). And on pretty clean tarmac too...maybe I need to give them another try at 30.

[@freeskitim800]

Great Video. I like 30's on my Emonda. How tall are you> just wondering if a 56 SL8 would fit me at 5'10.5. Thanks for all the great content!!!

[@rickkoscelnik6624]

Shimano Ultegra 52-36 11-30 on my Teammachine. I like it. Force 46-33 10-36 on my Roadmachine, my travel bike. Even on the dirt with it. No issues. My new Crux will have new Force AXS 46-33 10-36.

[@997carreradriver]

Any issues with the Vittoria? Surprised to see the switch back to the Continentals

[@lorenzodestefano4043]

for the hassle free equipment go mechanical campy ekar or mechanical in general, no hassle just riding.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

I’ve been racing 2x SRAM Rival on gravel for two years with zero issues.

[@plain-bagel]

Are you running the wide cranks?

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@plain-bagel I’m running what came on my Giant Revolt Advanced Pro 1 - which I’m sure is standard SRAM road stuff. 47 mm Pathfinder Pros at 35 psi and I weigh 210 pounds and I’m 6’2”. Never a single issue in two years. Not one. I charge the batteries once every two months and wax the chain - that’s been the extent of my drivetrain maintenance.

[@plain-bagel]

@@petersouthernboy6327 Nice, impressive you can get that clearance with the regular setup. I'm probably going wide for my Crux build, since the regular setup appears to limit clearance on this frame. But yeah, these comments about SRAM are pretty wild lol

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@plain-bagel agreed - I’m in two bike clubs and we organize gravel races twice per month. I’d estimate that maybe 65% ish is SRAM and the rest GRX amongst the gravel racers. I’ve just never seen these chain drop issues. Personally I think it’s just Shimano fanboyz parroting each other for the most part.

[@RubenRakow]

What frame size are you riding and may I ask whats your height?

[@RookYZRM1]

Shimano 52/36 with an 11-34 cassette, set it, forget it. Sounds like a lot of issues and compromises with SRAM road drivetrains...we know their chain is super slow, we know smaller gears are slower, chain drops, constant battery charging/swapping, hard pass on that noise.

[@plain-bagel]

_Laughs in World Tour_

[@ArteUltra1195]

This guy speaks the truth

[@ragethomas]

So slow it won every grand tour last year

[@LyndonNLeeming22]

Brand new GS ultimately maintained by pro mechanics. Bit different to the average home use isn't it ​@ragethomas

[@jesseladd6864]

@@LyndonNLeeming22then become a better mechanic? Sram makes a high end product. If you’re not technically sound, then maybe you need something simpler to at home work! Mind you, sram only made this drivetrain as a way AROUND Shimanos patents for 12 speed electronics. It’s really not that hard to work on though

[@LagunaRider1961]

Have you had any issues running hookless wheels?I have the ENVE 3.4 hooked on one of my bikes and love them and I’d like to go with the ENVE 2.3 on my other bike but I’m a bit hesitant to use hookless. My LBS is endorsing them. Thanks!

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

You may try different tires. But you'll always come back to GP5000. Black Chili compound with Vectran backing is alien technology reversed engineered for the road. It's out of this world.

[@B_KFC_Leg]

2 years and over 15,000km on the Shimano 12 speeds Dura Ace, chain drop count = 0. 😉

[@outdoorbros_]

I remember those days…

[@holdenc1006]

Yes please do that tire comparison/review. Do you ever think that, if you were reviewing a new samsung galaxy or something you’d get a billion hits but ‘bike’ doesn’t really have that many audience, doesn’t address to the random miserable guy on the street who can only think of splurging on a new phone. Btw, 5000 str user here, however stuck on 25 mm because my cadex ultras are ‘optimised’ for that. Thx for the vid

[@jesseladd6864]

Sounds like you want a 52/36 and 11/34 gearing from the 9100 series Dura Ace Di2 11 speed. Fully wired everything with no wireless levers and a proven ramp system that when set up wrong, shifts kinda flawless. Sounds like you want a deeper section wheel with wider internal that is tubeless and external nipples, center lock rotors and likely a dt Swiss HG style hub for ease of maintenance. Also sounds like the issues you’re finding with sram could be due to slight inconsistencies with set up between Chainring sizes? Just a thought as there shouldn’t be a difference due to size…. However, Sram is THE MOST difficult to set up as they created a new group around Shimanos existing patents. In close, I loved your explanation of everything, it was very straight forward and informative without bringing other brands down. Great video and subbed 🙏🏼

[@andymcao]

Do you miss your SL7?

[@tonyg3091]

I do not get that Sram bashing. Been on the new Force 2x on my road bike for the last couple of months and it hasnt been anything but exceptional. And unlike Shimano you can go 46/33 to 36t cassette. No Shimano setup gives you a ratio below 1

[@anon7684]

I think it's time to upgrade and take your game to the next level and get a Walmart bike 😉 your fitness will greatly improve going at the same speed

[@outdoorbros_]

Which changes should I make to the SL8? Go back to the SL7? 😅

[@RookYZRM1]

I was debating between an SL8 and the Aethos, think I'm going Aethos. I'd just rather avoid the internal routing nonsense, the minimal aero gains aren't a big deal and bike bag traveling is much easier with a standard bar/stem setup...but that SL8 does look sick🤔

[@jackbutler4254]

I'd look to Peak Torque. 52/34 upfront, larger tire in the rear. He's got some interesting ideas and modifacations on his bikes.

[@typerlover]

Trek Madone

[@cbb3062]

I recommend the sl5 super lightweight easy to work on. But if you like discs for the price of a sl8 colnago v4rs and pinarello f are pretty dam nice as well.

[@mohammadtaufek5529]

yea Shorter crank & back to Dura Ace 12 speed Di2 & chainring 52/34 👍🏼

[@christravelsbytaco5771]

Agree on all points. And also why I chose shimano on my bike build this year. Just want stuff to work, flawlessly, for what we're paying these days. Dropped chains shouldn't be normalized lol

[@auricschiller]

I know you are into testing different bikes, but wow hold on to something for more than 5 minutes.

[@aaron2144]

howard hamlin on the weekends

[@MattWrightMTB]

How tall are you?

[@Timmeh2Buck]

I should have been a dentist 😢

[@lorenzodestefano4043]

go victoria next

[@esskastanie2046]

Who designed the front of the tarmac SL8? It looks like an accident, made by trainies. The ugliest front in bike history😅😂 comparing to the aspero its the beauty and the beast.😊

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Don't be afraid to say it. We all know it. It's nothing new. Shimano is still king of the groupsets.

[@auricschiller]

That's why the cranks explode. Because they are the "king."

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

@@auricschiller Are you always a fvcktard or do you save it for KZbin. Sheesh.

[@Discshills]

sram 10 or 11 speed is king. please everyone keep buying this stuff so I get more NOS for 5x less the price haha