Is It Time To Go Back...? | Classic Fresh | Classic WoW

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With so many different versions of WoW existing at the moment, some players have sought to take a step back to where things all began for Classic WoW by making their own "FRESH" realms.
These Fresh experiences are taking place on Deviate Delight NA and Zandalar Tribe EU. Today i'm going to be checking out whats happening in regards to fresh and why its happening now.
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[@WillEmmo]

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[@antipathy17]

I still think a reoccurring theme as to why this game dies is because blizzard doesn't take care of the community. Botting to sell gold has destroyed the essence of classic wow. People can't participate in the economy by farming their own ingredients within a reasonable amount of time. Blizzard needs to kill botting and gold selling. Blizzard needs to increase world loot of ingredients significantly enough that people can participate in the world while farming. The issue with the game is people aren't participating because their time isn't worth it when some persons running a script and devaluing everything that they are doing to an extreme. Tbc I got affected the most by the body because the world was so small and it was only in wrath of the lich King where they started making the world a little less bot friendly

[@ArticulateArena]

Stop woth this 18 months, 3 years bs. Fresh needs to be every 6 months. Loke poe but slightly longer. We will have 2 things to be excited about each year. It's plenty of time to level and get tbe content done and maybe next time you'll be more efficient or get better loot. What's the point of fresh if you all keep focusing on 2 year intervals ? It's not fresh after a month. People are already 60 and geared on dd "fresh". What makes classic great is getting stuff early while it matters. Not 10 months in when you've stopped playing because your 10 alts are geared. They can add world 1st races for 60s and dungeons / rails. Maybe some changes each patch but not this sod crap.

[@ArticulateArena]

Oh and no pvp servers

[@Ben-vb2us]

ESO honestly is more fun than wow. /shrug

[@travisolexa3074]

No PvP servers, No GDKP from the start. Make it happen Blizz

[@elassar4637]

Year 2050: blizzard we want another fresh

[@Qstorm88]

😂

[@letmeeatcake7836]

Yes

[@JohnRhinoTheThird]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NICE ONE MATE 🥴🥴🥴

[@SkeletonBill]

That's not even a joke, I can see there being a demand for this sort of thing indefinitely. Even when I'm 80 years old I reckon I will get the itch to play again.

[@josifkathechis7310]

@@JohnRhinoTheThirdSomething bad should happen to you, lmao.

[@cryptmaw8969]

Give us a fresh server every 2 years

[@DaleStrife]

Best thing about deviate is bots are scarce and get reported by the community

[@9ntice]

Having evergreen fresh-wipes like this would solve so much, I literally don't understand why they're not doing it

[@yesiam4610]

Alternate like the olympics, keep the classic content release schedule, 1.5 years of Vanilla, 1.5 years of BC, keep alternating

[@DaleStrife]

@@yesiam4610 EverQuest would release progression servers, and it went at the pace of the community clearing the content

[@Anudorini-Talah]

Just play on Turtle WoW. Best WoW

[@TheOnlyGBeast]

I'm somewhat disappointed that the sponsor wasn't hellofresh xD

[@dantedante8837]

0% parasocial btw

[@TheOnlyGBeast]

@@dantedante8837 stop mouthbreathing

[@Leronnic]

It felt fresh that it wasnt, everyone’s sponsored by them

[@TheOnlyGBeast]

@@Leronnic completely missing the point award goes to this guy

[@Leronnic]

@@TheOnlyGBeast not missing the point, it was a pun, so was what I said. It’s “FRESH” that it isn’t hello fresh because everyone is sponsored by them, I think you won the award lol, but I was just trying to joke a lil too soooo

[@empire0]

I think its lame they don't have at least 1 dedicated TBC and Wrath server. I play classic era, but I would probably make a char in TBC and do a bit of raiding if the option was there

[@yolth]

Blizzard is notoriously years behind the curve when it comes to releasing content that players want.

[@Sistik123]

Yes I want TBC.

[@travisolexa3074]

And here I look at the private server scene being bigger now than it was before classic, Blizzard repeating the mistakes of the past by not allowing its players to play what they want.

[@AKS-74U]

I'd pay extra for a TBC era server. Especially if they added an automatic group finder tool to it.

[@djoverkin]

​@@AKS-74UTBC HYPE! TBC HYPE!

[@wawatooki]

I'm honestly looking to play TBC again. Didn't really have time to play it when it came out and it went so fast. Would love to experience it again.

[@Accelerate55]

Warmane’s Onyxia is progressing into TBC in a few months.

[@15751Chris]

TBC Warriors Unite!

[@whoischris28]

Tbc is worse than cata. Only 1 good thing in tbc was black temple

[@15751Chris]

@@whoischris28 whoischris28?

[@15751Chris]

@@whoischris28 but a clone of a clone he is

[@Meoang]

When they started doing vanilla servers I kind of just assumed they'd make fresh servers every now and then. Era is fun but I would really enjoy starting again with everyone on a fresh economy progressing through the phases.

[@jamaldavis2480]

Until it gets to phase 3 and everyone abandons it again wanting fresh again.

[@bookbookbook1]

@@jamaldavis2480 fresh economy is a hilarious joke as well, only took sod a couple weeks before it was COMPLETELY overun by gold buyers and gdkps

[@Meoang]

@@jamaldavis2480 It's been almost five years since classic vanilla started.

[@keldor8302]

@@bookbookbook1 Except gdkp is now banned. With them using tools to detect it taking place and banning people automatically for it. If they were to come up with ways of combating the more toxic and self-defeating tendencies of players abusing systems. A fresh start would be ideal. As it means a fresh start devoid of some of the elements that ruined shit the first time around.

[@JamesSmith-jf5ge]

Would love a fresh Self-found only Hardcore server

[@tsarovich2394]

I’ve been playing on Deviate Delight, and it’s been … delightful

[@johnny_eason_iii]

Way awesome to read!! Are you playing alliance or horde??💥💥✨✨💫💫👍🏼👍🏼😎💯

[@Zhawk1992]

How did you find out about Deviate Delight? I'd like to stay in the know as well.

[@tsarovich2394]

@@Zhawk1992 tbh I don’t remember, maybe wille posted something before

[@Zhawk1992]

@@tsarovich2394 very interesting! Well if you ever find out that there is a dedicated source for these kind of "movements" please do tell me! I will be rolling a character on deviate delight tonight. Im thinking horde because I ALWAYS play alliance.

[@kafkatt4388]

Came to DD from EU even, enjoying

[@nataliep6385]

We need fresh Vanilla and Fresh TBC to cycle every 2 years simultaneously.. honestly, isn't that what most people want?

[@Miller1107]

Fresh TBC yes!

[@xMorbidArtx]

yes please

[@zawarrudo3930]

Most? 😂 I mean, I do but defenetly not most people.

[@ondrej25]

exactly, TBC every 2 years !

[@devourmentoffetus]

I think you are pushing it with a fresh tbc

[@zachlux2778]

Been playing on DD. Tons of people handing out greens they don’t need to lowbies, making bags, grouping. Haven’t really ran into any sweats or toxic stuff. Been a damn good time so far 🤷

[@jpchoueiry4056]

Omg! Same, I just started playing classic and everyone is so nice. Randoms gave me items and helped me with difficult quest. The players here are very different and way nicer than retail.

[@Jarke]

Blizzard should make a fresh classic server that goes through the life cycles of TBC and Wrath. The fact that you can only play those xpacs on private servers now is sad.

[@G2Bryce]

No. You really shouldn't go through Wrath. Wrath was terrible. It's the reason I quit, both times around.

[@Jarke]

@@G2Bryce well I’m glad you’re the deciding factor did you ever think some people liked wrath..? Crazy I know

[@G2Bryce]

@@Jarke No it's just stats dude. Wrath was the beginning of the fall of classic the first time around and when it came out again Wrath destroyed the classic population. Blizz has a very clear chart showing this and pointing out the timeline. You can get mad all you want but it doesn't change the facts.

[@BlueBoyHUN]

@@G2Bryce yeah man, facts! totally not ur 100% subjective dogshit opinion!

[@davidhenry1421]

​@G2Bryce They should start a new server every time a new xpac comes around. That way if you hate wrath, just start on the new fresh. Maybe even label it vanilla-tbc,, or vanilla-wrath. That way you can get on servers with others that will go with you.

[@Persepolis-o2b]

Original trilogy rolling through each phase of each expansion. Rinse and repeat from the start every ~4 years. I’d sub for life. Also, there are so many “versions” of vanilla out right now that I’d kind of wish they skip right to TBC next. All of my IRL friends stopped playing once Cata dropped, and most seem to just be waiting for some promise of TBC fresh- be it a new era server or vanilla fresh with the promise of progressing through the trilogy again.

[@Miller1107]

TBC was the real peak. I’d be re running it often if they’d left us some servers. Hoping SoD goes into TBC

[@IcefangGamer01]

I would absolutely love this. I missed out on the OG trilogy re-release due to a lot of life issues and would love to go back and really experience it.

[@kokorochin01]

Agreed, but without a shop, xp buffs, boosts and the wow token

[@stormzo6235]

@@IcefangGamer01 i wanted to play it so bad but fell off right before 60 in vanilla cuz life just sucked. I would love this

[@cliche501]

You think you do...

[@sickish]

You said "stimulating" twice when I think you meant "simulating"?

[@futurefox635]

lmfao like 6 times

[@cyndrr]

We live in a stimulation

[@drafman1]

noticed that too. really bugged me lol. basic english

[@sickish]

We all know WillE is a smart guy so no harm no foul imo. Just found it funny.

[@ninhilo2551]

Friendly reminder that seasonal servers aren't classic plus, they are retail minus.

[@koullis901]

Exactly ive been telling them this since sod announcement

[@pjrotsaert2832]

I was always a classic+ advocate but SoD really pushed me over to the "they're just too incompetent and will fuck it up" camp. So the next best thing is TBC Fresh with permanent era for me.

[@BobSoonable]

turtle wow showed me how classic plus should look like

[@boarderz8275]

For sure, they absolutely dropped the ball in SoM, and then for SoD they did a great job for p1, and then proceeded to turn the game into an absolute shitter from there. They didn't work on OG vanilla and are nothing like the devs that worked on the game back then. They should just release fresh servers and realise that noone wants them to keep fucking up the game. People wanted #nochanges for a reason and hopefully this season shows people, once again, that blizzard has no idea how to make a good MMO in this day and age.

[@corvuscorax8459]

@@pjrotsaert2832 you quite literally summed up my exact feelings. The SoD devs are wasting time tbh.

[@zerocool1054]

I just love leveling in a busy world, that's why it's so much more popular than any other "expansion".

[@snuffeldjuret]

until they solve (or at least heavily mitigate) gold farming and boosting, fresh matters little. Sure, it is fun for a while, but eventually...

[@Snipeador]

​@@snuffeldjuret Solution: Play Hardcore!

[@snuffeldjuret]

@@Snipeador I do :). It is not as thrilling as playing witcher 3 hardcore though, so I don't play much :(. The launch of hc was something special though, probably a once in a life time experience.

[@Snipeador]

@@snuffeldjuret It wasn’t. The true boom of HC happened before the company launched the official servers. Doing the challenge with the Hardcore community, now that was really special. But I was telling you because the hardcore server always feels fresh. It's true that on hc realms, many people create mule characters to safeguard their wealth when they die, but there are many who play in a 'self-found' manner.

[@snuffeldjuret]

@@Snipeador lol There is a reason I had zero interest in hc pre official servers. Dude, I am playing hc, you don't have to tell me what it is like to play hc, how delulu are you?

[@ApoloApolo-or4oe]

We waiting you all guys at ZANDALAR TRIBE EU, fresh enjoyers !

[@kristofersgulbis9247]

How’s zandalar pop ?

[@ApoloApolo-or4oe]

@@kristofersgulbis9247 no idea but in our clan 900 players and like 40 online ever ,so nice,the world have live,we must give only some love

[@insanemang9983]

Legit if they would just have left a version of TBC I would be playing that religiously

[@michaelstronghold3550]

The deviate delight community is awesome. I rate this experience higher than 2019 classic launch. The culture is way closer to actual vanilla. No one here is just waiting for the next thing so we can now play the game. It's exactly what I wanted it to be.

[@johnny_eason_iii]

Epic to read!! Woot woot!! UnSure weather to create a horde toon or alliance on deviate?? 👏👏😎💯💥💥✨✨💫💫👍🏼👍🏼

[@buckkowalzek9745]

Alliance needs healers.

[@DaleStrife]

@@michaelstronghold3550 horde has been amazing. And the economy is very close to how it was 20 years ago

[@hutselfrutsel3897]

Same on Zandalari tribe on EU. Really nice

[@garycannon4644]

​@@VintageNarwhalwhat stream?

[@IceTax69]

i do wish they'd give us a fresh TBC server which has lv 60 limit for like 1 to 2 months for people to lvl up, gear up, and prepeare for tbc and then unlock outlands.

[@The4Dev]

That would be one way to go. It would be a vanilla-light for the first two months where people would still gather naxx gear in prep for TBC.

[@erikgreis4291]

I want TBC and WOTLK back

[@pieter-basbeijer5781]

If you want fresh TBC check out Crusader-Storm private server. Just launched last week and looking nice, they use TBC Classic client (2.5.3)

[@ChessJew]

I know I want to. I don't have the heart to do the heroic Cata raid grind with what's left of my guild.

[@Vhite]

Yeah SoD has long lost any claim to being Classic. It started as a way to explore possibilities of what could be added into eventual Classic+, but it quickly turned into Blizzard's own fun server with massive feature creep they couldn't maintain.

[@mikeoxlong3676]

It turned into retail.

[@dancemattdanceify]

​@@mikeoxlong3676wow that's not dramatic at all

[@matthuckleberry5238]

They should drop a fresh classic on the 20th anniversary.

[@NickPlays95]

I want TBC ERA

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Why does Hardcore need fresh at all? With the cyclical nature of new runs always happening it should constantly be active.

[@R3flex666]

True, it is

[@rvt_h3d]

hardcore is not relevant to this conversation

[@EdgarClay]

I love classic, id like it to stay as classic though. I'd be happy with a refreshing burning crusade

[@Miller1107]

+1 for TBC!

[@Oolong_Bagged]

More +1 for tbc. So disheartening they didn't keep it around the first time, it's why I wanted classic to exist in the first place.

[@Sinodashayla]

I’m so happy to see so many comments saying they want TBC fresh because SAME. Also so sad because I know they won’t do it 😢

[@rvt_h3d]

my favorite part of tbc classic was the army of instance bots bliz did nothing about

[@yourdreams2440]

Yeah unfortunately the player count for TBC was lower than vanilla or wrath so they won't see it as profitable

[@longjonhothan6963]

Warmanes realm onyxia is going into TBC soon

[@yourdreams2440]

I honestly believe the best way to do a fresh release is to implement a staggered level cap. It would start at level 30 for the first week of release, then 45, then 55, then 60. This is the way to stop people rushing to 60 and raid, and give them more time to enjoy leveling and make friends. It would give people time to prepare for raiding, but there's a lot for a raid that you need to do at level 60. Plus, it's only a week each phase, so there wouldn't be that much time to be a overprepare anyway.

[@DankstaNug]

I think the best possible move would be to drop progressive classic after Cataclysm (at that point I don't think anyone would consider it "classic") and focus on a slightly accelerated fresh realms of the original trilogy. Make each phase last 4-6 weeks instead of the original 2-3 months, then after Wrath, restart the realms. They could even give different tabards to show progression from the previous "season". And I think "Fresh Hardcore" would actually be great! I would love to see another "Road to Ragnaros" style event, as well as other achievements like scarab lord on hardcore! And having an original trilogy hardcore server progress along with the fresh servers wouldn't take up any additional space in the launcher, it would just be an extra tab in game like it is now with Classic era.

[@27RCA]

I'd like to try fresh TBC! I want to be able to try the expansion without having to chose between starting with a disadvantage or having to play through all of classic

[@Miller1107]

Same. I’m hoping SoD goes into TBC. I want to rerun it.

[@shad0wfaxx77]

I would love a fresh restart again! I would come back immediately. A few changes this time around would be nice with it. No gdkp like in SOD, no aoe boost farming like they had in SOM. Implement the gold buying detection, etc.

[@nulltheworm]

Their should be a rotation to WoW's Classic progression servers: Step 0. Vanilla "museum" servers already exist Step 1. Release Vanilla Refresh 1 Step 2a. Give players option to copy/duplicate/transfer characters to Museum Vanilla or continue to TBC Step 2b. Release Warlords of Draenor Remix on Retail Step 3. Release TBC Refresh 1 Step 4. Release Legion Remix on Retail Step 5. Release Wrath Fresh 1 Step 6a. Give players option to copy/duplicate/transfer characters to Museum Wrath or continue to Cata Step 6b. Release Battle for Azeroth Remix on Retail Step 7. Release Cata Refresh 1 Step 7. Release Vanilla Refresh 2 etc. Maybe a 2.5-3 year cycle. That's a money maker for at least two or three more cycles.

[@Tulelu]

When mages are running with Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker - Then its definitely time for fresh servers! (saw one last night)

[@user-tr3wg7qd6h]

I want a real fresh so bad

[@GoozaWoW]

Classic plus, classic plus, classic plus. People have been saying it before it was a thing, people were saying it during classic "durr hurr we don't even know if they'll even do TBC hurr" now we're in cataclysm. Season of discovery was not it.

[@rafikigrows]

Its pretty insane that blizzard don't re-release classic fresh servers every 18-24months.

[@hado33_]

I think a fresh with all content available at launch would be interesting.

[@rvt_h3d]

no

[@johankarlsson8729]

Join Zandalari Tribe we are growing each day, lets gooooo.

[@nisx2012]

I love the leveling aspect and the pre raid bis phase but once we hit the world buff circus im done...

[@marcux83]

EU Zandalar Tribe. Fresh movement . Join us!

[@swapdrap]

Hell yea

[@JasperHaarlem-gk7gu]

The movement is real!❤

[@BrunoMiguelSilva5]

That server is very low populated

[@nulltheworm]

Fun Fact: EverQuest hit its 25 year anniversary earlier this year. They're still releasing expansions for EQ1. Another fun fact: EverQuest started releasing their progression servers in June, 2006. They released two more this year, in 2024. l WoW releasing Classic/Progression servers into the 2030s shouldn't be unexpected.

[@travisolexa3074]

Funny that private servers are now doing a Fresh progression servers of the first three expansions and those servers are population capped. There IS a market for this and people want it. I know I would drop everything now to play Vanilla again just to have a chance of getting to TBC.

[@federalcheesegrater556]

I wish the EU one would be as big as Deviate Delight.

[@seagullphilosopher2173]

How busy is it on EU, is it worth rolling on?

[@federalcheesegrater556]

@@seagullphilosopher2173 I've joined their community discord server, barely had 300 people on it with less than 50 online. Maybe we'll see an steep increase of players once content creators like Will are talking about it more. Compared to Deviate Delight's discord with over 3k people on it and more than 500 online almost at any point, it really doesn't look too good for us EU andies. Might also just be that the EU discord has a shitty layout and people don't join it. I'll play on it at some point, perhaps.

[@Khagrim]

Yeah US has some streamers so DD is bigger. But don't let it discourage you. We just killed Rag on Zandalar Tribe and have a pretty healthy population

[@DaleStrife]

Classic Fresh on DD has been amazing so far. At least on horde side

[@garycannon4644]

You must have missed all the drama then lol

[@narhwallord6985]

@@garycannon4644 Ah yes, letting a bit of Drama ruin the overall experience! Very nice!

[@garycannon4644]

@narhwallord6985 I played alliance so I missed it too but there were alot of people who rerolled alliance because they were tired of all the bullshit lol

[@rvt_h3d]

@@garycannon4644 don't worry, it only gets worse from here

[@Lawgivaah]

At 9:40 you may get hit by a nostalgic desire to roll Tauren on Classic Then you watch how 3x wrath drains all your mana and leaves a 25% mob for you to smash with your staff I'm good....

[@Tetter.]

Fresh LoTRO server this month, just sayin

[@DrinkingMud]

Based, really want to experience moria endgame

[@snuffeldjuret]

now imagine if it was fresh classic I tried to play lotro again, but it was just micro transactions bloat etc.

[@brandonwalker5011]

ESO advertising on a wow video is pretty optimistic lol

[@The4Dev]

a 100% yes. I really want TBC back so a classic reset would be right up my alley

[@Ayy.Its.Kruciall]

Love your content so much, and been a long time sub. Keep it up bro 💪

[@mechatoaster391]

Classic WoW Moment

[@bradhuddleson5216]

Back to tbc+

[@gotmygoodelf]

i been on zandalar tribe about a week, it seems to be getting more ppl

[@NeotecDK]

Yes. Its time.

[@DF-fv1ld]

All i wish for is a real Classic +, with balance and new content BUT not SoD bs thing.. Just classic with new things out and not farming the same damn thing with the exact same blocked comp of dps etc

[@QurikOfficial]

Not yet. P4 SOD incoming. Community fresh on era servers. Give it a year

[@shrekshooter9487]

0:52 the warchief is on his stoop!

[@midnightblue1874]

I casually play Vanilla Classic HC and i only play it because there is no TBC server around and Vanilla Classic is it's closest thing.

[@Miller1107]

If TBC servers had been kept I’d be doing fresh TBC on repeat. Loved it way more than any of the other classic experiences. I’m really hoping SoD goes into TBC for another chance to play it through 🤞🏻

[@The4Dev]

same here!

[@Kahuno-WoW]

Given the amount of people playing on the "fresh" server deviate, I think it's time for official fresh 😅

[@thedragonmunday]

I think if they did three servers that had a constant rotation, that'd be perfect. Each server would rotate from Classic to TBC to WOTLK. Anyone could play any version of the game they desired (or even if we only had 1 server that rotated that'd be fine too, then you can just join in when it's your year or so to go again) Could be just a set it and forget it kind of thing with blizzard monitoring for bots taking over and your character would just get moved somewhere else when the trilogy came to an end.

[@IAmVega617]

Can you make a video talking about the concept of 3 era servers (vanilla, bc, wotlk) and the ability to progress into the next expansion on your own terms?

[@thegreattaiyou]

Fresh classic is the perfect tool for buying the classic team time to work on a persistent Classic+. If I were lead of Classic WoW planning and development this would be my plan: 1. Take Cata Classic and all future Classic Expansions and give them to the teams that handle Plunderstorm and MoP remix. 2. Let Aggrend and team finish out SoD. Give them a nice long break, then begin the debrief and retrospective. 3. Build a plan for a persistent Classic+. Do not focus on adding player power or catchup mechanics. Focus on adding literally hundreds of new quests for everything from gear to endgame spells to recipes to summoning new dungeon and raid bosses. 4. A few months after SoD concludes, announce fresh classic. 5. Use all of the time that fresh classic runs (12 to 18 months) as essentially free time to work on developing and testing classic+. 6. A few months after Naxx drops, announce Classic+. Set the PTR date a few weeks out. Give no launch date. 7. Very limited, highly focused PTR testing. Encrypt all game files so that data mining is impossible. 8. Release with phases that are shorter but more numerous. Specifically and explicitly do not cater to the top 5% or the bottom 10% of players. Focus entirely on cultivating a community. Controvercially ban several addons, including weak auras. 9. Enter the platinum era of wow. Redefine what it means to be a "modern" mmorpg. Upend the entire modern gaming industry, demonstrating that good fundamental game design will always have a place despite what MBA bean counters might say about micro transaction revenue. Be the front page of time magazine. Global conflict cools for several years as everyone is too busy enjoying WoW.

[@spaceowl9246]

I am praying to any God that wants to hear me, please let this be the exact plan.

[@letmeeatcake7836]

the rare, well thought out youtube comment.

[@spockawitz8160]

This is almost exactly what I was saying too. Classic + if done right can absolutely reignite the hype we saw in 2019. They really need to spend at least a year or two developing it though. It needs to be extremely well thought out and tested, as the rushed development cycle of SoD I think has hurt it in the long run.

[@CatDad09]

You’re aware that Remix is a Retail project developed by the retail team and there’s no chance they are going to work on future Classic expansions during The War Within.

[@seanwilliams7655]

Honestly, they could basically copy about 85% of what Turtle WoW does, put some AAA polish on it, and that would be a great Classic+. The team over there is already doing most of what people want.

[@asambi69]

Just give me a TBC Realm...

[@BladeRabbit]

We're really popping off now

[@ArbyTV]

I’d love it if they started a fresh Vanilla server that progressed into Wrath

[@Colouh]

We need TBC fresh, but blizzard somehow hates TBC

[@shamwaw336]

TBC seems to be the weakest of the OG 3 when it comes to popularity. If they ever want to include content from TBC and/or Wrath to classic, they should do what other mmorpgs did. Create small time event within the original world. A good example of this is the zombie plagued event from Woltk. For TBC, you could do a Fel invasion event where a randome city starts getting invaded by demons from the dark portal

[@tarron3237]

That's what everyone said. Then TBC classic dropped and it kinda went not so well

[@pjrotsaert2832]

@@tarron3237 Bro TBC was popping wdym. So much that Blizz came out begging on the forums for people to transfer to smaller realms before Wrath launched. Now look at that same "momentum" that wrath brought into Cata launch.. It's not even remotely comparable lol. It literally follows the original subscriber graph again, Vanilla and TBC doing all the legwork, Wrath tearing it all down, and Cata putting the nail in the coffin. EDIT: It's also a funny coincidence that classic era & SoM were ultra dead during TBC. Then Wrath drops and suddenly they get a resurgence. If you cannot see that Wrath was the overrated one by now, no amount of evidence can convince you.

[@shifterashtongue2684]

The only feeling we get is that they did zero maintenance with gold selling gdkp and botting in era that the situation made the servers unplayable, any fresh they do or people asks is matter of time before it turns to the existing era servers

[@TLHockeyCards]

It was never time to leave..

[@JoziWOW]

TBH i feel like cata is a more complete and fair version of wotlk's design. ive had a blast going between cata raidlogging and lvling on DD. shit is dope

[@Slimjim2147]

If it was time to go back then classic era would be popular. Sure it's not a fresh start but those servers are so dead they might as well be

[@ninhilo2551]

You'd be surprised! especially on the whitemane cluster

[@boomerang2455]

There is a lot of people, counting myself and nearly my entire guild on sod, who don't go back to era because its a p6 server. Fresh would bring in so many people considering many played sod because it was fresh.

[@keelhld94]

Classic is a community journey through the phases, and on Era, that journey finished 4 years ago. The Era population isn't representative of the audience that would come back for fresh.

[@ninhilo2551]

@@keelhld94 Nonetheless, if you find a fresh guild (of which there are many), it is somewhat close. There are leveling guilds and early MC guilds on era right now.

[@seph_f]

i would love to play classic again but the economy on era is horrible and getting ganked by naxx geared people isnt fun

[@thearbitersteven6503]

TBC Classic with the phases it had would be awesome.

[@grammy2838]

I’d like vanilla “2nd edition” with QoL and light touch changes, but it should be a long term PTR player-driven project

[@LocrianDorian]

Frankly, I was done with Season of Discovery after the very first season. I really enjoyed it, it was novel, very easy to level up alts (managed to get all classes to max) and there were lots of opportunities to socialize and take it easy. It really felt a lot like mid-late Vanilla back in 2006, with people asking for help or advice, quite a bit of chat going on etc. However, the following seasons mostly added stuff we already had in expansions and they further made the game feel more like modern. Too much convenience, too many unnecessary features, etc, the "Seasonal" non-permanent feeling really started setting in. I would much rather play proper Vanilla Classic at this point.

[@snuffeldjuret]

phase 1 was an absolute blast I never tried phase 2 something different I would enjoy now is a season where all mobs are elite, that would be an interesting experience

[@BigMuskachini]

yep loved phase 1, didnt play phase 2

[@dancemattdanceify]

​@snuffeldjuret you missed out, p2 was great

[@LocrianDorian]

@@BigMuskachini I subscribed for phase 2 but after playing a couple days I realized I don't enjoy it at all.

[@Kurnhelios]

After playing SoD with the QoL changes, going back to Classic does not sound appealing at all - Especially as a hunter FINALLY being able to trap in combat again.

[@SteveFlener]

That’s my issue. Hunter warrior and paladin feel so good in SoD the thought of playing them in classic doesn’t seem appealing anymore

[@travisolexa3074]

I have the opposite, SoD was fun but now I find myself playing era and realizing the old jank is a lot better than the retail-lite jank. Feral without the extra runes feels a lot better than its current state of being a totem in SoD.

[@snuffeldjuret]

that's the challenge I think there has to be some changes, but which changes?

[@rvt_h3d]

@@snuffeldjuret no changes

[@snuffeldjuret]

@@rvt_h3d if you were forced to accept one chance, what would that be?

[@davidsuda6110]

I want to play classic again. Not only fresh but at my DnD table. Currently adapting the open world feel for my group. It's a lot of fun thinking about the human story and how to reveal it at table. About half my players know the plot.

[@SavithTV]

The beauty of running through the world with tons of other players is my main draw. I love the chaos, social aspect, shared experience, and parallel progression It's unique, especially classic WoW compared to modern retail/other MMOs where everything is shared and passive. There was nothing like creating a new character, watching the intro and seeing all these players run around where you start at. It's disheartening to want to level through a dead world/server, and less likely to stick with it. Classic is one of those few gaming experiences that really captures that MMO feel during a fresh release. It's still on of the best/favorite gaming experiences that only ever happens through a fresh release, or a new MMO launch, and I always have great memories from each one. 1-60 Classic is a good RPG game with other people and there will always be a want for that now and then.

[@andromidius]

The problem with new fresh servers is the population will decline each time a new one opens. Sure, lots of people levelling at first - but good luck finding 39 people to raid with. Once every few years? Sure. So long as there's not too many options at once to divide the player base. The issue currently is we've got so many versions of WoW and its such a time consumer that playing more then one is a daunting task to anyone with any sort of time restrictions. So do you pick Era, Hardcore, Seasonal or Progression? Its a tough one to solve that makes everyone happy. Would I play a fresh Vanilla server? Maybe. Though probably not for long, since I have other things I want to do and I'm currently enjoying Cataclysm well enough (and like the people I play with). The notion of having less time to do other things and meeting new people is a bit much for me right now - so if I did it would be super casual.

[@Oolong_Bagged]

Blizzard is feeding on the fomo/collection fantasy again in cata without actually adding anything good. If you enjoy cata, you'd enjoy retail too. They need to let us have our actual classic servers back before the sub count drops again. (I already canceled mine in hopes "voting with my wallet" will eventually make an impact for era/tbc servers.)

[@andromidius]

@@Oolong_Bagged Cata isn't much like Retail at all though.

[@Oolong_Bagged]

@@andromidius I didn't say that it was, what I said was, "if you enjoy cata, you'd enjoy retail too." It has the same themes. Cata is go from achievement to achievement, mount to mount. While the gameplay might not feel completely the same, it might as well have the same sentiment behind it from this expansion forward.

[@notafortnitegamer]

its over...

[@Arcashine]

I get the timing, I think Blizzard messed up on timing phase 4 for SoD. I'm really hoping this doesn't impact SoD too much, it was extremely difficult watching how precipitously it died.

[@sabri_95818]

I had the best experience in TBC in 2007 and in 2022 this expansion is so dope even after years

[@hououinkyouma1488]

I would rather play Turtle WoW or Project Epoch tbh

[@DamnDuff]

🤢

[@LightisMyStrength]

Real talk

[@Milk-rn5uq]

no thanks. but nothing is stopping you

[@H-D-D]

Same. But the patch of the server being on some older patch where macros, commands and addons are all clunky/different feels bad on there

[@aazz1137]

Yeah season of wotlk bots is much better ​@@DamnDuff

[@JjackVideo]

Just play on Turtle WoW guys

[@rvt_h3d]

tried it, no thanks

[@rvt_h3d]

no

[@RomaBoro]

It is fresh? No.

[@neuro3697]

Was literally gonna start back up on hardcore servers tomorrow and then got this in my recommended this is literally perfect. I still hope blizzard eventually does actual regular fresh start servers but this will do for now. Them clearly being aware of it by stopping transfers to these servers gives me hope that it'll happen sooner rather than later. Thanks for letting me know about this WillE i cant wait to start tomorrow

[@Jesse3beards]

It’s funny to consider that since it’s been about 5 years since classic launched, it’s been about 5 years since I subbed to you. Pretty cool.

[@mrvanderhevel]

*insert kargoz rubbing his hands together trying to figure out how to monetize the server*

[@rvt_h3d]

deviate delight is a perfect name for this streamer grift lmao

[@dimitarmitev9933]

Redoing the classic trilogy again is probably the best option for blizzard

[@Phyx1u5]

just started turtle wow and really enjoy it. the devs seem to actually care about the lore.

[@louisturner8723]

Did stitches have a coordinated fresh thing?? I thought it seemed busy today in darkshore

[@Paneron1123]

The Deviat Delight fresh just seems VERY streamer forced. These streamers have proven to just fall off the map and go to a different game the minute something new is out so I just cannot trust it given the time investment needed. Though, as a Cataclysm player, if Blizz released actual Fresh Classic servers with minimal changes (only QoL changes like chrono) then I would be very very interested. I might even drop Cataclysm to focus on leveling.

[@vaertai4237]

I had a feeling it was exactly this. There is plenty of raid logging already in cata p1 and sod p4 soonish so there is kind of a lull in content.. So whats better to drum up views then F R E S H. Would be cool to be wrong but gut tells me once SoD p4 is out and then cata p2 this fresh project will be dead.

[@Swiftgti]

Yeh I agree

[@jaredmcclure1730]

Turtle WoW 2.0

[@rvt_h3d]

@@jaredmcclure1730 no

[@rvt_h3d]

its a grift to sell more stuff like restedxp

[@Olcatron78]

You should all try turtle wow, custom raids and content. So much better than classic was for community!!

[@joelhodoborgas]

cringe

[@MarcosMenethil]

@@joelhodoborgas you are jewish

[@jmcke802]

It's true imo. Way less toxic. I resubbed to catch up after skipping p3. The first thing I did was try to find an incursion to do. I didn't know how loops worked and started clearing each quest on our first go around. I was bitched at constantly in the only group I could find because I didn't know the optimal way to run the content. This hasn't happened to me on TWoW. On the contrary, people are always helpful when asking questions about the custom content. Turned me off entirely.

[@randomshouse266]

​@jmcke802 the whole world is just toxic. Give it a week people will break your spirit on turtle aswell. You also explained a scenario you were weeks behind with Incursions, if I seen someone killing while we all ran by we would all go what you doing mate? Join a new raid on turtle and see how the community handles you not knowing mechanics, I'd bet it's the same.

[@Olcatron78]

@@randomshouse266 try it, you'll find it's very different. If you join a hardcore guild, expect that, otherwise it's amazing

[@chesster1038]

Deviate Delight BBY

[@Ayy.Its.Kruciall]

Within the first min! Lets goooooo Wille!!!!

[@MorrisMJ872]

Would love a fresh where everything works exactly as it does on Era right now. If u want something to spice it up, then add a phase 7 after the fresh has run its course.

[@375DTLA]

Dad NA is poppin! Had so much fun this past weekend leveling with some new friends

[@modestanu]

ty for advertising the project willie, i love it

[@adamhenriksson6007]

Idk man, as a casual timmy, SoD was crazy fun. One of the most fun times I've had with wow ever.

[@PollyCot]

YES! WE NEED FRESHHHH

[@mattbrown5511]

I won't be coming back until the player base changes. People play their add-ons instead of playing the game.

[@dklotz19]

I've always enjoyed the leveling process of the original world, never been much of a raider due to time and life commitments. The one thing that bothers me in the current state of classic is that there is not an option for people that want to level in the original vanilla world, but also progress their character through the expansions on classic. If I want to level a new character through Cata, I don't have the option to do so unless I level in the Cata version of the game. I'm sure there are technical hurdles Blizzard would need to get past, but maintaining a version of the game that would allow me to level in the vanilla version of the game, then essentially transfer to a BC version of the game, Wrath, and then Cata would be so great for people like me or anyone who wants to level a character to a specific version of the game and then stop. As always, great video.

[@Arcexey]

It’s time for me soon. To slowly level up, do slow quest text, explore the wilds, role play a little bit. Yes sir.