Is it too LATE to save Halo?

[@zeliph]

We need proxy chat, pre/post game lobby, map voting like what Battlebit and Halo 2 has. It was so cool hearing the enemy team and telling the enemy team to join you on your ride.

[@Warlock_Lelouch]

I think they need to expand the studios that make Halo games. Similar to Halo Wars we need other studios to make different types of games with the Halo IP. I also think one problem Halo Infinite has is that no one talks to each other anymore. I met so many Xbox friends playing Halo Reach Infection. Halo Infinite also blew its whole foot off when it released with barely any game modes, no doubt caused by the trial and error that comes with a new engine.

[@mizzy8655]

The lore provides the Halo franchise to expand into so many genres. Survival horror, RTS, Turn based strategy etc. I also think that they have to review what makes halo halo. They've tried to change halo too much instead they should've continued it. Instead of a sharp change in lore, design etc it would've been cooler to see a gradual change over Halo 4, 5 and then infinite which would've made the whole thing feel more natural. For me Halo by Bungie feels completely different to Halo of 343.

[@deathtrooper2048]

The biggest problem is its gunplay, it's so fucking bad. If the actual game this wouldn't be an issue.

[@Archmagos_Faber]

343 should be left to make multiplayer and thats it, other more deserving and competent studios.

[@ZeroDarkOmega]

I think the best way to save Halo is to pry it from 343's death grip and have other developers take a crack at it Halo Wars is proof that it can be done successfully. If it worked for Star Wars games it cam easily work for Halo more games will generate more interest than going all in on a "10 year give us money to play NOT Halo CE where all the cool shit happened off screen.

[@Lemonclaw]

I think the talking issue is a bigger issue with gaming as a whole. Something that started back when the remake of Star Wars battlefront came out and they removed game chat completely. Now everyone is sitting in parties or just playing.

[@TheBigCabezon]

It's a very lonely experience compared to the past

[@tsukopara2054]

It's not too late, but the timeframe was extended massively. 343's 5 year hiatus between H5 and Infinite's reveal undid a lot of the damage the Reclaimer games inflicted on the series. Instead of groaning and laughter, people were asking where Halo went and looking back fondly on the series. Halo Online was a momentary hit, MCC was being repaired, SPV3 was released, Infinite's two trailers looked very promising. But now we're in arguably a worse position than we ever were during the days of H4 and H5. People aren't going to be as trusting and nostalgic during another hiatus, because for many they felt those five years were wasted on a fool's hope. The only way to fast track a Halo revival is for Pierre Hintz to speak publicly about 343's new directive, rebrand them with a new name/logo, make a clean break with the past, and completely reboot the franchise. The next game is going to be in development for so long that an Infinite 2 just isn't happening. A reboot would be the biggest risk the series has ever taken, but at this point Halo has nothing left to lose. Finish cutting 343, recruit new, better talent under management that knows what they're doing, and introduce Halo for a new era.

[@alanderek1231]

Fully disagree since halo got adopted by 343 the franchise has been rebooted twice what they need now is to build and expand upon their stories releasing dlc for the campaign and new game modes

[@ColonelFatass3]

Honestly they should just put this series on ice for a while, and I'm not talking just five years like from 5 to Infinite. Dragging it out in the hopes of doing it right the next time hasn't really worked out for the last 11 years and I doubt it'll work now. I'd like to be wrong but I have zero faith in 343 or Microsoft, as pessimistic as it sounds. Let Halo savor what little dignity it has left and make a major comeback in a decade or two like with Doom 2016, instead of watching it get milked completely dry to the point where everyone but the most diehard fanboy stops caring anymore.

[@numenthehuman]

Lately, content creators are coming back to Halo, however slowly, and so are some players. Updates have been good. Things are looking OK for infinite right now.

[@TheBigCabezon]

I mean, I'll be here making videos but I'm a small fish. Big players like Eckharts Ladder, Act Man, even HiddenX and LNG to an extent have stopped focusing on Halo content.

[@pearsegallagher9832]

@@TheBigCabezon honestly the act man made to many"im done with halo" videos for me to take him that seriously

[@inductivegrunt94]

Halo really needs to look back on its roots and return to the social experience it once was. 343 can do this, but they NEED to take a few steps back and return to Halo's past that worked, instead of doing what they are doing now by moving into the future with stuff that doesn't work.

[@evanmurray3974]

Look forward to waiting another 7 years for a sub par Mediocre 343 halo game!

[@BrockCouncil-BBBEST]

I have seen many similar videos recently. It’s sad to think that halo could die.

[@Nathan-jx6lg]

I’m from Australia and believe me it was one of the best things in my childhood and growing up, but it has been properly dead here for about a year

[@_Typical_]

I refuse to believe that Halo will truly die, especially now that 343 seems to have hit a decent momentum in regards to releasing content for Halo Infinite. What Infinite really needs right now is something to bring back all of those previous players who have seemingly moved on to other games.

[@overgrowniguana]

Gamer's are game devs worst enemy, we are the priority and when a game comes out its always "i wish it was like the old game" then play the fucking old game, we rip games apart and we adopt peoples mindsets. the main thing we have to do is think for ourselves.

[@TheBigCabezon]

I actually prefer Infinite's combat and visuals, so it's not that I want Halo 3A, what I do want is that social experience back but still with the same gameplay Infinite has. Two different things.

[@overgrowniguana]

@@TheBigCabezon Yea and i wish we had more honest people like you who knows what they like and dislike when it comes to halo, a lot of the time people say "343 sucks at halo games" because they just watched a youtube video about "why 343 sucks" or "halo is dead"

[@roguebogey]

I don't think Halo can be saved, as much as I want it to be for nostalgia sake. Old era Bungie was a different breed of developer, and that kind of developer is no longer profitable in the current gaming industry. It's been over for Halo for nearly a decade, only thing we can do is cling to old games and nostalgia.

[@Espartanica]

The main thing killing Halo in the modern day is the "Fan" base.

[@TheBigCabezon]

Care to explain how Fans routinely delivered games that weren't feature complete? Or how fans jerked the story narrative in 3 different directions?

[@Espartanica]

@@TheBigCabezon Care to explain how constantly harassing anyone with a non negative opinion of Halo is beneficial? Care to explain how ignoring what we do have because of something you wanted is beneficial? How about how most of the criticism for Infinite being "incomplete" is because of holding it to different standards than what was considered complete in the past? The fact is, the community is full of toxic and ignorant individuals who gatekeep, mock, insult and at times literally harass those with a different opinion. 90 percent of the time they don't argue. They just resort to calling you a bootlicker, a shill, or whatever else knowing they'll get others backing them up, even when their ideas of what the Bungie titles were are absurdly different from reality.

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@Espartanica You do realize this is in all communities right? It's not a shocker. Besides this doesn't represent the good standing fans. By the way you should know it's dangerous to go down the ideology of blaming the fans expecting with how disrespectful other brands have being in general.

[@Espartanica]

@@thorshammer7883 Happening in all communities doesn't mean it's nearly as prevalent as it is in this one. People will openly mock the deaths of the devs, and again, gang up to harass people who don't hate a particular aspect of a 343 title. I'm not saying there are no good people, but when the toxic ones show up in droves, they don't wanna waste their breath engaging in the community, and new people are driven away by the mentality that if you haven't been around for over a decade ("You definitely got into Halo after Halo 4/5") you don't have a valid opinion. It's an IP that still has plenty of good aspects, yet is still drowning in negativity from people that hate for the sake of hate and won't listen to outside perspectives or opinions from the other side unless it's to mock them.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Espartanica Uh-huh I don't believe it's as bad you are describing it is. Also what Halo game community are you even talking about? You are making it sound like it's the powerscaling community. I hardly seen that kind of behavior doctrine coming from most Halo fans. So naturally I don't really know what you are talking about that much as I am not attached to whatever you are speaking of.

[@Miss.6ixEdits]

I’m still BAFFLED attriox wasn’t the big bad in Infinite. No day / night cycle, no new game + mode, no split screen

[@redturtle8117]

the infinite campaign was actually pretty boring after a while, literally no unique events or activities to complete in an open world game

[@xavierenagadeangel]

One thing I find really upsetting is the thought of a new halo being revealed and absolutely nobody being hyped. Especially if 343 is still tied to it. Besides the die hard fans I don’t know who will give another halo from 343 a chance

[@ShadowMage]

I don't even think my fellow die hards would give it a chance.

[@Spartanman117]

In my opinion , halo still has a chance if they bring halo mods to Xbox ,This will bring a lot of people back. #bringhalomodstoxbox

[@Miss.6ixEdits]

Microsoft and 343 are once again going through the “have your cake and eat it too” halo phase. It’s a proven successful IP so they milk as much money as they can while simultaneously praising themselves for rebooting the franchise after half assing a story and forgetting crucial halo / basic gameplay elements

[@thorshammer7883]

With alot of the bad practices 343 has been doing and the update it later doctrines and the amount of compromises they have done and they have no big consistent ambition anymore and don't really care about developing lore through the story instead of relying souly on books and the current situations... I am not going to be surprise if Halo doesn't recover properly. There's too many factors and I don't expect 343 to be steadfast and overcome them especially with their current track record. They really could have even utilized their lore better as well for gameplay experience. Wouldn't it have been cool if we had a Forerunner-Flood war type of game?

[@BodyBagFilla1]

@Cabezon, Hey I haven’t played Halo since the release of Inf. I’ll be honest the only hope for halo until 343 gets it’s stuff together is the modding community. @There are dozzens of units in the Arma 3 Community that all used a halo mod to create their own missions, their own lore and more importantly play the roles they want. My unit is currently playing the events of forward unto dawn and we had our mission makers make all the maps for it and are enjoying all of it. We play every Friday and Saturday. Let me know if it something you are curious about. Would love to show you

[@wyatttyson7737]

I frankly don't think that the social aspect can even be fixed. I have played every new COD in the last few years, and you might get 1 or 2 people talking once every 4-5 games, but the rest is just quiet. Thats pretty much my experience for most multiplayer games like that. The problem with the game isn't the social aspect, its the state of modern gaming. Budgets are wasted, talent is wasted, potential is wasted. I don't care what anyone says, Halo 4 was a great game and much better than Reach in every single way, and Halo 5 by the end of its life cycle was actually really good. The problem isn't therefore that there is something wrong with the fanbase or the company, the problem is the overhead's expectations for modern money making nonsense. 343 needs to take a step back. Finish what they are working on and release it, then go quiet for a few years. No new Halo game should even be whispered about until 2025. Then bring Halo back with a Vengeance, with an actually complete game chock full of content, with good servers, and a solid campaign. No micro-transactions, no battlepass nonsense, just a good game.

[@berryvolcano3787]

I jumped back into infinite a few weeks ago and it's a great place now, I'd actually put it as top 2 in the series for the actual gameplay they've done a good job. And now there's a LOT of maps in the game and with Forge there's an endless supply of content. Microsoft needs to spend some $$$ and market this game again for a relaunch whenever the next season drops. They need to pay big streamers to do a big stream and show off all the new maps etc. A big boost to the player base is the only thing that will save this game now.

[@TheBigCabezon]

I always loved the gameplay and I completely agree it's in a good spot now. It's just poor timing since all my irl friends moved on, and playing alone isn't that great. It's also borderline impossible to organicly meet new people, at least on PC.

[@guatemalaninsanitypepper1322]

gravemind appears in h3, you just see his tentacles when he turns on you after truth gets stabbed

[@brandongrotha7508]

I dont know that this conversation is worth having at this point in time. Clearly something changed at 343 in season 3 for the better and they've tripled down on that format with season 4 so infinite is on the rise currently. Not to mention all of the updates to MCC as of late. And other shooter genres are crumbling right now. Warzone and Destiny 2 are absolutely in the shitter and I notice the public slowly turning back to classic style multiplayer like halo

[@yarr_bro]

Missed you man! Glad to have a new video

[@TheBigCabezon]

Appreciate it!

[@jordanchilds5112]

I remember when i was 10 years old,my older brother bought home a Xbox 360 and a copy of halo 3. That was the day halo was my first time playing the game.

[@clan741]

Halo infinite ALMOST had it. You could tell they tried to take steps back from Halo 4-5, but this isn’t the old bungee. That old team that made the halo’s we love disbanded and scattered years ago. If you look into detail of infinite’s production history no one had a cohesive vision and they scrapped and rebuilt the game multiple times. I only play infinites multiplayer once in a while. There is no community of goofballs but just sweaties trying to grind out their season passes. No one talks, just silently try and focus on our own things and if they do ever communicate its to chastise others for fucking up cause they needed this one win to get the new emblem or whatever. Its just no longer fun and the skill ceiling is ever taller, I just wanted to chill in a space party game man.

[@MJSGamingSanctuary]

I think Halo is salvageable but a team like the Halo Modders that made the Halo SPV3 team needs to be like brought into 343i's folds like asap. And start making Halo content that is gonna make the old fans return.

[@MJSGamingSanctuary]

Halo needs essentially people that actually want to make a halo that will make history and not just pray that 💩will stick on the fans.

[@deathshot2101]

Yeah sure buddy let's hire poeple who write incest fan fiction as lore🗿

[@Mrlegoking-uy3lv]

@@deathshot2101 WTF REALLY

[@MJSGamingSanctuary]

@@deathshot2101 You do realize there is a fetish for everything your age on the internet is showing mate.

[@deathshot2101]

@@Mrlegoking-uy3lv exaclly. Just look up cpt keys halo spv3 incest terminal.

[@curbyexe]

I think the future of Halo rests more in the hands of the community now. The broader accessibility to mods with the master chief collection for pc players will certainly help in that regard, but, I don't expect much help from Microsoft / 343 to keep it alive.

[@tlarison88]

I think infinite has entered the "sweep this mistake under the rug quietly" phase. It's too late to undo the damage. They're gonna let it fade quietly into the background noise. The next halo game needs to hit the mark. If there is another game at all.

[@novadelsol8127]

Hopefully a true Halo fan will win the lottery and buy Halo one day and we can get a story that bring back the community. Until then, I guess we just have to wait and hope for a better game.

[@TheBigCabezon]

Hopefully one day when I run Lockheed Martin I'll build a real life Pelican, give me 30 years and it'll be done.

[@roguebogey]

I find it incredibly unlikely that a single person would acquire an IP for the sake of reviving it.

[@ShadowMage]

@@roguebogey Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

[@pyxel64]

Am I the only one who thinks making a "sad state of Halo" kind of video at this point is just lame content creation?. Since pretty much middle 2022 it's been a constant, and objectively well disserved, but making this content right know?, really?. Since pretty much season 3 the game hasn't been doing nothing but massively improving; just think about it, seasonal content in a proper 3month basis, LOTS of amazing forge maps that range between 8v8,2v2 and 4v4 playlists, career rank, better BTB like BTB heavies, every gamemode available so everyone gets to play what they want whenever they want etc... God, even data miners have proven there's up to 25k peak players playing at the same time in a daily basis. Also, just in case so everyone gets it clear, I'm not saying Halo is in the best place it can be, I'm obviously not dumb. What I mean is Halo as a whole is finally catching a break with huge and great updates since pretty much season 3, and it feels not only irrelevant, but overall harmfull for the game repeating the same issues and concerns over and over. Being honest, coming from someone who hasn't stoped playing the game since launch, if there's something, among many other factors , that's holding back Halo Infinite from improving its reputation atst as increasing its player count, it's due to a noticeable chunck of the Halo community itself.

[@guatemalaninsanitypepper1322]

Some things to do off the top of my head to get halo infinite to the peak halo standard: network issues involving cover and bullet magnetism (getting killed 2 metres behind cover really sucks). Veto system along with pre/post game lobbies. continue making unique coatings but give us classic primary and secondary colour pallette customisation instead of "free cadet coatings"... and oh for the love of god give us achievement based armour unlocks! we want off 343s offbrand hayabusa, hell even give us restyled Achilles something just not fucking skins

[@avery4149]

As a PC gamer, it sucks to see Halo falls like this. In a household that will only afford one PC when I was young, I can only play CE and 2 for a good majority of my childhood, and I almost gave up on other Halo title, until Halo Wars, Spartan strike, and MCC come out…some 20 years later…and along the announcement of Infinite. Being “excited” was an understatement. Then Halo Infinite launched like this…It is disgusting

[@clydemarshall8095]

I think the MCC has potential for continued development, bug fixing, modding, and cut content restoration, but I think we need a break from new mainline games

[@ggzz8845]

Late ? Bruh halo died in halo 5

[@michealbadman6411]

"Mira" means look in Spanish, not "there".

[@intuitionedits2.032]

Can we also talk about how *broken* the ban system on MCC is? It's not even a fair ban system whatsoever and is way too punishing. I remember rarely getting bans in Halo Reach in 2010-2011, but on MCC I get banned a lot (when I even bother playing) because I quit two matches and get the banhammer. It's so unfun. And it's so stupid it bans you from the entirety of matchmaking in general

[@commanderwyro4204]

i think as long as a company is working on halo. people will always return just to see if its good enough. 343 has had 3 failures and we keep coming back because we want it to succeed

[@ahsoka_polo]

Spartans never die

[@gabethebabe3337]

TLDR: 343 isn't capable of saving Halo, because they were the ones to bury it in the first place. Microsoft just handed them the shovel. They need to do a hard reboot of everything that takes place after Halo 3 and they need to return to Halo's classic gameplay and expand on classic neutral equipment. Oh and releasing a game with all the game modes we expect from a Halo game at launch should go without question, but it is 343 we're talking about. People say Halo needs to innovate, yet the newer games haven't been doing that. The new features they try to push are ideas from other games that Microsoft sees and wants to replicate. When Halo was actually innovating it was through iterating on what had come previously in the previous game. 343 only innovated on Forge mode because they added features people were actually asking for for literal years. Advanced mobility, load-outs, ordinance drops, armor abilities, Spartan abilities, and Halo infinite's armor abilities (they aren't neutral equipment they are armor abilities that have a limited number of uses). They've done nothing but contribute to the removal of elements that Bungie had implemented. Sprint lead to maps being stretched out with longer empty corridors, load-outs meant people could spawn with optimized builds which went against Halo's sandbox arena gameplay, random ordinance drops made map control meaningless since you didn't know what power weapon would spawn where, armor abilities in all of their forms meant that the maps had to be balanced around far more unpredictable gameplay so they became less ambitious and less unique. Halo can only succeed if it is allowed to actually be Halo. 343 has NEVER attempted to make a classic Halo game. The closest they had was H2A, which was just a broken modified Halo 4 MP with Halo 2 maps that was sabotaged by a horrible launch of MCC, and sharing the spotlight with better Halo games. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE was rooting for 343 to fail. When I first heard that Bungie was done, and Microsoft was establishing a team for a company entirely dedicated to making more of my favorite game series I was excited. The writing was on the wall when they named themselves after the antagonist of Halo CE. They had a different vision of what Halo should be, when they should have tried to understand why Halo was supposed to be how it was. Halo Reach is my least favorite Halo, but it's much easier to tweak that games settings in custom games, and make custom maps to make a more classic experience. At least what I consider Bungie's "worst" still feels like Halo. I love Reach, and I love the memories I have of Reach, but it was not the mechanical sequel to Halo 3 that I was hoping for. 343 had zero intention of retaining the Halo community as it was. They wanted to prove they were better than Bungie, and they never came close. According to Bungie.net the number of hours all of their players put in between Halo 2 to Halo Reach was enough time to make it across the Milky Way galaxy and back at light speed. I bet 343's total doesn't even come close to that number, and they've had Halo longer than Bungie did at this point.

[@Assistint]

The problem is they are probably already working on another Halo, rather than just working on this one.

[@TheBigCabezon]

I want to believe that but so far there's no indication they are, and they are not currently staffed to do so.

[@aono335]

Halo infinite will become the MP platform. Going forward they will just Release SP stuff and campaigns whuch i think is the right way of doing it. Let the MP stuff be uts own thing and decouple the Single Player stuff from it.

[@xboxtest4226]

Infinite is terrible.... I am current replaying all Halo Campaigns on legendary & with 4 it just becomes really annoying....

[@sofaking1627]

I'm going to sound like an echo But proxy chat, pre/post game lobbies I guess it's too late to add in a progression system with rewards every few ranks.. chief armor is cool though. But yeah, without some serious social improvements I don't see any amount of content making Infinite feel less soulless

[@juzzi137]

So you chose to jump into the doom and gloom train as well?

[@TheBigCabezon]

I'll stop dooming when I get campaign DLC, I don't care about seasons or HCS, I want the Chief and friends doing fun stuff.

[@adamdahlstrom2095]

Halo can be saved, not by 343 tho, we need something new, someone who uses the lore etc

[@jackcolson4745]

Yes, Halo has already been disposed of, autopsied and creamated, because it was murdered a long time ago and now no one cares about it anymore.

[@stevenmontecino]

Bro I would enjoy play and chatting it up with you online. Is your gamertag the same as your KZbin name?

[@TheBigCabezon]

Sorta, Xbox forced me to add numbers, it should be in one of portions of the video.

[@Seph-]

I mean.. Halo already died with Halo 4. Infinite was supposed to be the revival, but they released a half finished game, people got bored and moved on to other things. If and when there is another Halo they need to take a page from Rockstar's book. No release date, no hype, the game will be released when its finished.

[@naenaemister5048]

i genuinely think we are too late to save halo be it lack of content the campaign story not being finished so on and so fourth

[@KevinTilly]

Don't forget about dual weld!!!!!!!!!

[@Junior_7279]

halo died when they made it a fast paced movement shooter. I'm reaching my 30's and cant keep up with the speed of modern shooters. I'll stick to MCC.

[@FutureOfHalo]

Agree with your opinion on Halo Reach. It's not a bad game but it is strictly a party game. If you try telling those Halo Reach die hards that competitive Halo died because of Halo Reach they'll lose their sh*t even though that Halo Reach MLG never even finished it's first season and my other argument for titles after that is MLG hasn't picked Halo back up since. 343/Microsoft have to make their own tournaments cause no gaming circuit thinks it's competitive.

[@Kyal32]

Back from the bender in peak form!

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Am I a scumbag for still liking and playing Halo Infinite? I also liked 4 and 5 but not as much as CE, 3, and Reach.

[@TheBigCabezon]

I mean, I still play, I just don't think the game is in a position to grow nor is it being supported properly by 343 / Microsoft

[@PackHunter117]

Essentially the IP isn’t gonna get new players. And the core fanbase is gonna keep shrinking and getting older. I bet at the extreme max Halo may not last another decade to 15 years. Halo will never be a Star Wars like IP now.

[@Stinger522]

I actually loved Halo Reach, mainly for the campaign. I only played a few rounds of multi-player. The multiplayer of Halos 4 and 5 were much better.

[@PackHunter117]

I say copy everything from Halo 3 and Reach while making a new and original story and soundtrack.

[@Assistint]

I 100% agree about the social aspect too! You are absolutely right

[@W0nderArts]

Love halo infinite after its last couple updates. Fight me

[@TheBigCabezon]

As do I, I just wish we had this sooner, before all my friends stopped playing.

[@tedchuckled1607]

6 years for this shit. No excuse

[@Kumingaaa]

Absolutely it is

[@flyingdoggo9887]

aw man not you too

[@TheBigCabezon]

The doomer cabal ordered me to

[@tacticalbt1023]

Yes sadly n it breaks my heart

[@kaylemjoseph8727]

get rid of 343 get a company that cares then were back

[@cplhotpockets]

Sup Cabezon!

[@uh_ant]

Too late to save Halo video #100

[@curbyexe]

Damn, I hate when people are being honest about the state of things rather than being hopelessly optimistic because it makes me feel better about it

[@uh_ant]

@@curbyexe nah not about that it's just the same video for the 100th time talking about nothing new just same old stuff. Literally nothing I haven't heard. Good try tho.

[@JimmmmmmmmmmmY]

Lol halo had a chance to be saved with halo 4. So nooo it can't be saved now its way to late for that. It had it's chance long time ago. I just don't care anymore so go ahead 343 build off of halo infinite add as much updates and fixing im still not gunna touch halo ever again!! I have standards and i don't get easily impressed like most people do... Feedback from 343 are making folks a little happier but definitely still not enough. Screw the weak azz feedback from 343 I want some serious BIG time change... Im expecting way to much like a miracle but thats not going to happen! So have fun with these mediocre updates from 343. This suxx people HALO deserves better! Way better. So again it won't happen

[@neko_birel]

yes

[@scott-gaming.8834]

I got a question for ya

[@TheBigCabezon]

yes

[@scott-gaming.8834]

So uh I got this lore and i made art for it and i wanted a more veteran opinion on it…uh, got discord or anything?

[@boomslick2436]

People are starting to act the same about 4 even though all the ways 343 shat on the series

[@roguebogey]

Because that was a lot of people's first Halo game, of course they will say it was "underrated" because their opinion of the franchise was formed starting with it. As someone who played every Halo game on release day except for Infinite, H4 was mediocre as a video game and very bad as a Halo game.

[@tsukopara2054]

I don't think this is true, Halo 4's criticism has always been fairly consistent. Remember that the Halo cycle is a myth which was created back in 2012-2017 in the hopes that Halo 4 and 5 would become beloved classics like the other games over time. That hasn't happened and so many years on, will never happen. Halo 4's reception at launch was broadly that the story was good, but the campaign itself wasn't. Multiplayer was terrible but Big Team Battle, Dominion and Regicide were fun. That's still what people say now to defend Halo 4. People aren't so much changing their minds about Halo 4 as they are stunned that 343 haven't been able to launch a Halo game in a complete and functional state since.

[@boomslick2436]

They really are though, the numbers dropped relatively quickly

[@11natey]

Bruh why these videos always pop up in my reccomended

[@TheBigCabezon]

KZbin thinks you need to hear more Halo doomer news lol

[@yayayoshi1028]

Yea

[@remiguy8118]

hot take for sure

[@TheBigCabezon]

Gotta drop mid week hot takes after months of an unannounced absence to keep people on their toes

[@remiguy8118]

@@TheBigCabezon fair fair

[@2009XboxLiveKid]

The way that I see it, 343 has 2 current games, they have Master Chief collection, and add Halo infinite. Halo infinite they are really trying to push as the new big free-to-play game, while MCC they realize are the classics, and they are really trying to keep the fan base from getting angry over them. In my opinion, I am sorry I think it is far too late for infinite to be redeemed, their best way to go about it currently would be to keep pumping updates out the way that they are. Unfortunately unlike MCC, infinite's updates are very lackluster, and even if they come with cool things, there's always more bugs and glitches that come with them, so it's almost like a one step forward two steps back kind of deal. I think they as a company realize this, and that is why they are slow with updates because they're trying to figure out a way to bring the old players to like the new game.... They can add in Old features and old weapons and old maps all they want, but it won't feel like the old days so the old heads are going to complain either which way

[@JimmmmmmmmmmmY]

2 current games? That's wrong Halo 4 Halo spartan strike Halo spartan assault That halo fire team raven game from the arcades Halo wars 2 Halo the master chief collection Halo 5 Halo infinite And heckk... I'll throw in that crappy halo show from paramount So you are wrong 343 made more than just 2 mediocre azz games. More like 5 or 7 games that are trash and outright terrible!!

[@kalebm.4925]

Halo is currently dead. If its to be revived it'll need to be by someone that actually cares about the community and lore.

[@ProlMLGJoe]

Random fact I just found out today.: it is canon that Master Chief is Aromantic Asexual, which here Queertopia is a fancy way of saying "I have no interest in pussy or romance".

[@DJNefarious447]

I come back to play ranked Infinite like once a month for like 4 days and then i get bored and move away again. I still play custom games with friends a couple times a week but regular multiplayer is so damn mundane.

[@Randy.Bobandy]

Yes.

[@Zero_likes_katanas]

Halo can be saved, by 343 or not, i dont know, but infinite has been great so far

[@TheBigCabezon]

I enjoy Infinite, and actually loved the story, but I am sad about how long it took to bring it social aspects (casual playlists, forge, customs) that no one I know plays anymore. Nothing sucks more than to spend hours on hours forging a sick map and having 0 people to share it with.

[@roguebogey]

If it is saved it won't be by 343. They have shown nothing but incompetence and greed since they got their hands on the franchise. I can't believe people are still shilling out for them after almost a decade of their shit.

[@Zero_likes_katanas]

I think you're wrong betelgeuse, my reason is that they have made good games, the story has been mostly lackluster and boring, infinite on the other hand only has the problem of payments

[@Flamepunk]

I've notice whenever 343 does something good, theres always a video saying can it be saved

[@eliflores9819]

It does feel like a lot of copium tbh. But to be fair, the games have always been criticized early on only to be looked at more fondly years later. I guess the collective hope is that Infinite can be turned around like MCC was

[@Flamepunk]

@@eliflores9819 forsure it's just a thing I noticed

[@tsukopara2054]

The 'good' that 343 does is usually very minor though. Seasons 3 and 4 were mediocre and Squad Battle is good enough. Infinite still has severe netcode problems, poor UI, predatory monetisation and a lack of players. 343 themselves are still down by 2/3 and in the middle of restructuring. They've publicly announced on Twitter that discussions haven't even begun on creating a new singleplayer/narrative team to replace those laid off in January. The next game is going to take another year or two just to start development, as 343 is gradually permitted to hire new talent. The development cycle for a AAA game these days is closer to 5 years than 3, so add those together and that's potentially 7 years until another game, maybe more. Microsoft also own Call of Duty which makes triple Halo's profits on a third of its budget. There's a very high likelihood that the franchise is simply shelved in the next few years. It's just business. Halo is in the worst position it's ever been in and a handful of cool playlists and bug fixes won't change that.

[@RayHardman7567]

Not if they bring Bungie back.

[@yarr_bro]

Bungie is Sony’s now

[@RayHardman7567]

@@yarr_bro well, shit. Didn't know they sold it, just thought they disband that part of the company. Downsizing, ya know. Anything to make a profit for the top 1%

[@eliflores9819]

The Bungie that left after halo reach is NOT the same Bungie that runs today unfortunately. I’ve heard a lot of bad things about the path Destiny went down

[@RayHardman7567]

@@eliflores9819 ya. Burnie Burns and rooster teeth should buy Bungie, cause they know what Halo fans like and want.

[@eliflores9819]

@@RayHardman7567 uh oh, you haven’t heard about the shit RT has gotten into over the past few years have you :/

[@danielsgames8810]

ISRAEL not plestine don't use the name of a cointry that doesn't exist

[@TheBigCabezon]

It's also just a generic region. Like saying the Americas doesn't mean just the US. I also don't care.

[@Tailsxcosmo2122]

Lies. The game is getting better and better