Is Wearing Makeup A Form of Lying? w/ Dr. Peter Kreeft

[@SilvanianPirateKing]

Makeup, in my opinion, is like spices or sauce for a dish. It should be complimentary, but not the main focus. However, just like my opinion, it all boils down to personal taste.

[@laimajo3547]

@@SilvanianPirateKing I agree! Makeup can be very subtle and enhance what is already a beautiful feature if done right. It's just like turning the spotlight on.

[@Chr1st_has_risen]

If they want to create a fake world about them and be trapped in it then go on then I say. They won’t ever know what it’s like for someone to Love them for them.

[@sienkiewiczmonika1161]

Makeup has different functions. It can be a job or beautifier.

[@mdiblueraym.150]

Agreed. When my daughter was a teenager, I used to tell her that makeup is meant to enhance and not be the feature.

[@haileys657]

I don’t wear makeup often, but when I do, it isn’t bc I feel ugly. I know women who do wear it for that reason, but I also know women who don’t do it for that. Personally, I’ll do it for special occasions to enhance my looks in the same way I’d wear a flattering outfit or style my hair. I still look like me, so it doesn’t seem like a lie. My husband happens to like it when I wear makeup, but I guess that comes down to personal preference and perhaps the style of makeup. I can see how intent could become an issue, but I fail to see how the action itself is problematic.

[@thatsfunny2051]

I feel like I'm nude when I don't wear any makeup at all. It seems very intimate. I don't want all and sundry seeing my nude face, just like I don't want all and sundry seeing my nude body

[@leekshikapinnamneni4835]

@@haileys657 I think that’s a great philosophy to have. Also, what about other body modifications such as getting your ears pierced or getting threaded or waxed? I like the idea of wearing make up only on special occasions and that’s what I do as well. I guess the only way to look completely natural is to be in your birthday suit and nobody wants to see that.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

@@leekshikapinnamneni4835 Exactly!!!!

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

I appreciate Peter Kreeft. Loving, kind, not so quick to jump in and judge. His kindness makes me weep because it's so wonderful (and rare, in my experience). Matt, women have so many struggles. Trying to look and feel attractive among them. Not just for themselves. Not just to catch a man. But just to keep from being misjudged as ugly or lazy (because of being overweight), etc. You do not need to add to that the accusation that we're lying. Cameron is gorgeous without makeup. Not all of us are. Some of us have been called names when seen without makeup. People, including Christians, don't treat us as well as slender, beautiful women. I also have to say ... Your advice about taking a woman to the beach or a pool on the first date so you can see how she really looks. What IS that? (It's NOT trust-earning, especially for the reason you gave.) It sounds like looks are very important to you (otherwise, why is it so important to see it washed off?), which is exactly why we wear makeup. Many of us feel very vulnerable without makeup, and that's not an appropriate way to want a girl to feel on a first date. Are looks more important than what a woman is like inside? Apparently, if you have to cruelly trick her into showing you her "naked" face. You wear clothes. What are YOU hiding? Are you lying? Guys ... Treat your daughters, wife, girlfriend, and friends well. Show how important her character is to you. Keep telling her how beautiful she is (if you honestly mean it). She probably will ... sloooowly ... begin to wear less and less makeup and even get to where she doesn't have to wear any. At least around you. Because she believes you see her as she REALLY is. She trusts you. It's like going outside and standing very still with a little food in your hand, day after day, to earn a doe's trust. How rewarding it is when she finally trusts you. Tricking a woman into showing herself, calling her a liar if she's not ready to be vulnerable. Those are NOT ways to help her trust you.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

PS - Matt, I'm curious. Do you think women should shave their underarms and legs? Because "honest" women have hair there.

[@HimekoIzayoi]

@@SufferingWell-dtwakr I'm so sorry you've been made to feel like you have to wear makeup to appease others. I assure you you are beautiful, inside and out, and the right people will be able to see that. ❤️

[@familysim2905]

I appreciate this so much! I went fully gray at 45 after years of dyeing my hair. I made the choice to stop because I felt like I was not being authentic which really bothered me. It makes me sad seeing women in their 50’s and up dyeing their hair because they’re not fooling anyone with it anymore. It’s sickening to see the fetish men have with younger women. Add to that marketing and Hollywood telling us to stay perpetually young. Ageing happens to us all. I pray that we can learn to accept that truth and know that there is beauty to be found in inner wisdom and growing old gracefully.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

Yep. Think about it. Women are told that we have to look prepubescent. Thin, no curves, no soft cozy places. No hair growing where it should.

[@lindaleizear2735]

Me too

[@LovedasIam]

This did make me giggle! Lol.. Geez guys, next time ask a women!

[@Nick-ij5nt]

Women giving their opinion to men is kinda the whole reason we're in this mess to begin with.

[@CherryDreamer96]

As a society we definitely have an unhealthy relationship with makeup, vanity, appearence etc. It's a product of an overly sexualised, consumer driven society. BUT, makeup to me is genuinely fun. Not just the way it looks but the whole process of trying diffeent looks, products and techniques

[@rosealenius-spencer4823]

Esther was provided cosmetics to enhance her beauty while Jezebel painted her eyelids to seduce…..It’s all in HOW you wear cosmetics. Nothing wrong with makeup. I enjoy wearing it. Simple as that.

[@danielbowden5301]

I don't condemn women wearing make-up, but I also wouldn't appeal to the story of Esther. Esther is not a happy romance story, it is pretty dark. She was being prepared to be part of pervert king Ahasuerus's harem. Ahasuerus was not exactly a good man, look at how he treated Vashti when she wouldn't show off her body in public and he degraded Esther and many other women and he initially gave permission to kill all of the jews in his empire. I'm not saying that it isn't an inspired story, it just definitely isn't meant to be a romance, it makes Ecclesiastes look cheery. There are romantic stories in the Bible, but christians should realize that women like Esther were not being pampered out of love for them, they were being prepared to be part of the king's harem and he was sexually trying them out. If there is anything that we can learn from the story, it is that husbands should pamper their wives so that they can get away with absolutely anything! Just playing. lol

[@bjblackburn]

Keep telling yourself that. It is all rooted in seduction…

[@laimajo3547]

@@danielbowden5301 Lol. Pamper away, sir!

[@liisag80]

I almost completely stopped using any makeup a couple years ago, I only wear it professionally, when I have to.. And I must say, my own perception of myself changed so much for the better! The more natural the better..

[@JoschuaSchmidt]

I admire Kreeft so much. He is a wise and calm man. Thank you!

[@imtired6104]

I used to wear make-up when I was a young woman, but I haven't in years because it makes me feel worse about myself. I will wear it in formal settings but day-to-day, the only thing I bother with is darkening my eyebrows. I have seen a few women who looked RADICALLY different without it -- like you wouldn't have known who they are if you didn't see them emerging from the same dorm room - but if all it is doing is just enhancing the cheekbones, then it's not a lie.

[@victoriaeinbinder9487]

One of the most freeing penances I've adopted have been make-up free Wednesdays and Fridays. I don't think that I am particularly attractive, but I do agree that by and large, women don't actually look better with makeup on, although most people think they do. It's quite a strange phenomenon!

[@joane24]

It depends, some women (...me) look like ghosts without at least a foundation and a mascara. Having said that, I don't wear makeup half of a time because I don't care that much and can afford being very casual, but if needing to look more 'presentable', that I think a discreet makeup is better than no makeup, one (or at least, me) looks a bit more professional.

[@markiangooley]

@@joane24I’m perhaps a freakish man because I find pale eyelashes cute and mascara rather creepy.

[@joane24]

@@markiangooley I don't know, I think it depends on one's natural carnation. I'm Slavic - we tend to look a bit pale and bland without anything.🤷‍♀️

[@Melian07]

​​@@joane24 But if the use of makeup wasn't so widespread you wouldn't believe that there's something wrong with your natural look. The widespread habit of using makeup perpetuates the idea that it's important that women fulfill a certain type of look and that their natural face isn't good enough and they should feel insecure about it. Why aren't men shamed or feel insecure about presenting their natural face to the world?

[@joane24]

@@Melian07 That's all true, but especially in the artificial office lighting or similar, I still prefer to wear some (discreet) makeup, and happy that we women can use that, considering that light is not flattering on anyone 🙃. Men don't have that and they have to look like they look 😂. I don't like heavy/overly visible makeup though.

[@laurastowe8243]

When I wear makeup: "You're beautiful, you don't need makeup!" When I don't wear makeup: "Wow, you look tired. Are you sick?" 😂😂😂😂

[@kerridunn9734]

@@laurastowe8243 exactly! All men who say they prefer no makeup really mean they prefer the " no makeup - makeup " look. I clearly look better with makeup, not a lot mostly just mascara because my natural eyelashes are too blonde. If I don't have mascara on I have gotten the " Are you sick, you look tired" 😂

[@lindaleizear2735]

@@laurastowe8243 exactly. I wear make up at 69 years old so people will stop saying “ do you feel ok?” I don’t wear much.

[@janetbolden597]

But could it just be that you wear makeup most of the time, so that's what people perceive as your normal?

[@KingSquirtle999]

Maybe you aren't healthy. Just a thought. If you need make up to look normal then maybe you need more health instead. Not hating just putting out food for thought.

[@zzc8505]

another one of the modern w0ке mentality that gets "insulted" and offended" by everything, including conventional, well-intentioned things. Get a life.

[@SharonFowle]

When our Holy Mother appears, she always presents beautifully. I don't like "having" to wear make-up or dressing up but I do so that my presentation is better to others, including my husband

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

This is true. And everyone talks about how beautiful she is -- and they don't just mean inside. So I perceive that to be a value.

[@trumpwon8972]

True!

[@jeanettesteiner2917]

Well said! I don’t wear makeup at home, but when I am at work, I do it mainly for the patients I see. Like it or not, we are attracted to beauty and the Bible talks about beautiful appearances of people frequently.

[@annawaggy]

I like how his voice just trailed off when he was about to say what he thought about his wife in makeup. You could see his brain saying 'you have to explain whatever you say next to your wife later' and he just kind of mumbled jibberish. 😂

[@joane24]

Hahah yes 😂

[@spunkycat6144]

My entire city was without electricity for weeks (Texas during the ice storm). The women were so incredibly beautiful with unruly hair, and perfect darkness around their eyes. I might have been the only one who thought so. This all happened gym (that had electric) and everyone was going to shower there. People seemed interesting, even the hairy guys. I felt like I was at the Renaissance Festival.

[@angelasimpson5581]

When we were friends, my boyfriend saw me without makeup all the time, and he says I don't need make up like y'all are saying. But I feel self-conscience only when my acne is bad and he can see it. At that point I think it's appropriate to cover it up especially since I am in my 30s with acne. He still doesn't care. He has invited me to pool days with his family in his parent back yard a lot, so he's got that view even when we have been dating. lol

[@valwhelan3533]

LOL - is makeup lying? I supposed it depends on how many trowels you use to apply it....

[@spunkycat6144]

😅😂😅

[@JoschuaSchmidt]

Wouldn´t it, by that logic, also be inconsequential to cover up a wart with makeup? God gave you that wart and if it´s not a health problem it´s part of who you are and what you naturally look like.

[@zzc8505]

A wart is essentially an illness which you would need to take care of, not the same as non-acceptance of one’s natural God-given face

[@michaelmiller6050]

Yep. Checks out.

[@caterinadc5567]

I certainly think it's important and healthy to let people see us without makeup, if only to release ourselves from the insecurity of wondering what people would think of our 'real' face. But I also don't think having fun with a tinted lip gloss takes away from our 'real' face. As someone else put it, you could just as easily call deodorant 'lying about B.O.' No, these things are just elements of our self-presentation culture as social beings. We wear colourful clothes; we style our hair. Maybe we just want to decorate ourselves artistically, and it's not some psychological self-hating plot of deception. I've probably spent most of my life not wearing makeup. I'm fine with it. But I also find it fun to sometimes wear makeup. I'm not doing it to entrap anyone into believing I have a different face than I do. I'm doing it because I love beauty: in the play of light on the ocean, in the intricacy of a complex flower, and in the harmony of a human face. Yes, a human face is already beautiful -- but we can PARTICIPATE in co-creating that God-given beauty with a tinted lip gloss in just the right shade to complement our hair and eyes. Or a touch of colour near the eye that creates a physics-aided effect with how light hits the viewer's eye, helping the colour of the iris glow more brightly in the eyes of the viewer. (E.g. for a woman with deep brown eyes which actually have a hint of purple in them but you wouldn't usually notice -- adding some burgundy eyeliner will help you see what was already there.) Good makeup, artistically applied, helps the viewer see your beauty BETTER. It's not about hiding you, but showing you. It's fun. I think a line should really be drawn between tasteful minimal makeup touches, artistically applied to enhance and showcase a woman's natural beauty, and degrading processes like plastic surgery or outright masks of pigment. Lumping everything in as if all personal decoration is wrong (when applied to the skin but excusing hair and clothes for some reason) doesn't seem appropriate. At least, not unless the Church herself actually teaches this. And considering all the prominent and holy Catholic women who wear makeup, I don't think she does.

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

No because it depends on how you use it makeup is an artform

[@zzc8505]

“Art form,” sure. Btw punctuation matters

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

@@zzc8505 It is you have never seen anyone use it for artistic purposes have you not seen euphoria makeup that's artistic makeup your face becomes the canvas to unleash your imagination and creativity as for grammar I'm typing on the internet as long as you can understand what I am saying I don't care.

[@zzc8505]

@@carolinpurayidom4570 seriously, before using make up, why don't you learn at least some basic punctuation because what you wrote is unintelligible. Artistic make up is not the same as calling it an "art form." While you brush up on your punctuation, look up the definitions of "art form" and other relevant words, because it sounds like you do not understand the context and the terms you are using. The context is every day make up wearing, duh; not some contrived "artistic" nonsense. And btw - those who "don't care" don't bother commenting. Lol the people who try to convince everyone that they "don't care" are rather funny in a sad way

[@Melian07]

Perhaps for special occasions like theater or if one attends some festival it's a part of the art. But surely not in day to day life, because there are certain societal norms about how makeup should and shouldn't be used that people follow (for instance not putting colors on your forehead), and that's more about fitting with societal expectations than being artistic or creative.

[@michaelmiller6050]

Different folks, different strokes I guess.

[@joane24]

I think people are too imprecise when they talk about makeup. There's makeup and makeup. A very visible makeup along with having had various procedures (eg lips) vs. discreet so-called nude makeup, are two universes apart. Most people, especially men, when they speak about makeup, they speak about the visible and colorful one. When women wear makeup, they usually mean anything, including a simple foundation, delicate mascara and maybe a lipgloss. Most men wouldn't even notice that. I've heard few times people told me something along the line "but you don't wear any makeup do you", when I actually had a foundation l, a mascara, a bit of blush, maybe even a discreet eye shadow. At the same time, many woman when having absolutely no makeup whatsoever, may look quite pale, especially in artificial office lighting. I agree that strong make-up is not appropriate/modest in most settings, unless maybe some fancy occasion/evening out (still be careful to not overdo it, same as with clothes.). Just common sense and moderation.

[@KellyS_77]

I think most men don't even realize when ladies are wearing natural looking makeup. They just think the woman in question is stunning (which of course she is even without the makeup)

[@laimajo3547]

For sure! People have asked me many times in my life if I was wearing makeup. Sometimes the answer was yes, other times no. It can look very natural and simply enhance what is already uniquely beautiful about a person if done right. I would love to see no makeup become the norm and makeup only for special occasions, but I don't see anything wrong with wearing makeup tastefully.

[@thatsfunny2051]

I love men, but unless they work as makeup artists, or have their own makeup done for film or TV, they don't know what they're talking about with makeup. They do like it when women wear makeup. They just can't identify subtle makeup

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

So true! I've had so many men tell me they prefer that women don't wear makeup. Then, when I appear without makeup, they backpedal. LOL. I think they mean that they like women to LOOK natural. Or what they think is natural. Perfect and lovely, but not obvious in makeup.

[@thatsfunny2051]

@@SufferingWell-dtwakr They literally do not have a clue what they are talking about

[@hieronymus9]

When my better half wears makeup, it isn't to attract me or to attract another man, but just because she likes how the colors look with each other and with her natural colors. And I love how she enjoys it. Those of us who follow Lizzie Velasquez see the same thing. That Black Catholic Chick regards her physical work on herself as part of her self-offering to God. Finally, the Blessed Virgin looked like a Frenchwoman to St. Bernadette but like an Aztec woman to St. Juan Diego. Cosmesis is not intrinsically evil.

[@michelejones5538]

My husband always said that same thing. He thought women look better without makeup. I always thought he was just being difficult. Maybe he wasn’t. Maybe I was.

[@femmefatale55]

You both always share such interesting takes! I’d love to add some feminine context to the mix. As someone who enjoys makeup, I think beautification can be an excellent practice of creativity and grateful stewardship. With that said, there can be a misguided/disordered approach. In a previous episode with Christopher West, he mentions the fear of aloneness/death that accompanies the obsession with youthful looks (i.e.: plastic surgery and photoshop filters). That was certainly a point worth considering and empathizing with. Either way, some things will remain a mystery and thankfully God’s call to love our neighbor isn’t hinged upon understanding. 💖

[@spunkycat6144]

I think age and lifestyle (that goes with that age) has something to do with whether or not a woman wears make up. If a womans role was a housewife and she only saw people inside her home vs a woman competing for job interviews, you know, a single woman who has to pay for her housing, so societal views are different.

[@spunkycat6144]

If I don't wear some make up, people at work ask me if I am sick. 😅 Mascara, lipstick, something to cover my dark circles. 😅

[@bobandkelly]

Same here

[@EpoRose1]

🙋🏼‍♀️

[@AHand-ol2ii]

Yep! When you’ve worn makeup since you were a teenager you get used to seeing yourself with it and it’s very different to go without it. Others know you in makeup as what you look like, so if they see you without it they usually think something is wrong

[@DeidresStuff]

Hey, if people think I actually have purple eyelids, that's their malfunction.

[@liliarosales1961]

😂👏🏼 that made me laugh

[@LovedasIam]

That's funny!!😂

[@marypat7196]

@@DeidresStuff hahahaha!

[@Anna-bu5oy]

That is so funny. I read it and burst out laughing 😂😂

[@petros-petra]

If you have purple eyelids I'd assume you have a malfunction

[@mmthomas3729]

My face without makeup is not the "real me." The real, true me is the decisions I make and how I CHOSE to look - not a happenstance of genetics over which I had no control. As far as makeup being a lie - if a man truly thinks I was born with eyelids rimmed in black with purple highlights, well, I don't know what to tell you, Sparky.

[@williamhare3528]

This feels like the same sort of logic as Transgenderism. "The real me is what I choose to be like, physically, not the body God gave me." "I had no control over the biology that lead to my sex, but the real me is what gender I CHOOSE to be." This isn't a blanket ban on makeup, as Makeup can celebrate the beauty we have. But it can also be used as a mask, to instead deceive someone with something we don't have.

[@mmthomas3729]

@@williamhare3528 The same can be said about clothing. I find this distrust of cosmetics mostly by men from the Northern United States and Canada. Men from the deep South seem to regard women's makeup as simply clothing for the face; nothing more, nothing less. It's something women do to dress for the day.

[@michaelmiller6050]

The real you is what God made you to look like. Not what chemicals you put on your body.

[@michaelmiller6050]

​@@mmthomas3729I'm from Texas. This Is not the case everywhere in the south.

[@mmthomas3729]

@@michaelmiller6050 The real me is the decisions I make good or bad. My soul is the primary "me" and not how I look. My body is merely a casing for my soul. I'm not even denying my body but just adding color. You might possibly get haircuts or shave your facial hair. Is that denying something Godly about you? Do you hang clothing on your God-given body? Is the manicured, scrubbed clean You not the real you?

[@GaserBeam-hi4ez]

I am ugly, I never wore make up when young. My sister said “Why don’t you put in make up for your boyfriends?” I said “If they don’t love me without makeup, they won’t with make up.” I was married at 18, almost 20 years later I’m still ugly and my husband still likes me without makeup. I dunno, I feel like it rang true.

[@lindaodom1322]

You cannot possibly be ugly!

[@claustelmach5305]

No woman is ugly, we all have something nice specially if you are kind and try to be holy, look at Mother Theresa of Calcutta, when I see her I see so much beauty, it’s God living in her!!! All rooms would stand still and in awe when she walked in, amazing she was, have you ever experienced a man that is so charming that you overlook his looks? I have a friend like that and I am telling you, he is short and chubby but could get any woman he wants.

[@GaserBeam-hi4ez]

@@claustelmach5305 I dont ever think anyone is ugly myself, only when they are acting crazy angry or they do something vile like use a surrogate or are a pdf file.

[@michaelmiller6050]

Agreed. You seem very reasonable. ​@@GaserBeam-hi4ez

[@yeshua1st]

I speak as a woman that is almost 40. I can probably count on 2 hands how often I've worn make up in my life. I was just never into it. To spend the time, effort and money on it is of no interest to me.

[@petitemaam]

I don't typically wear makeup. I did when i was much younger. It's uncomfortable, and I like the way I look without it. Bring natural back. Including gray hair lol. We shouldn't be ashamed of the aging process. Embrace it and feel blessed we got this far.

[@markiangooley]

My Mom started going gray in her twenties and I was born when she was 38. She kept dyeing her hair black until she was 50 or so. Her all-gray hair after that was striking and her face was still youthful-looking, which was yet more striking. My mix of brown and red hairs (in both beard and atop my head) has now changed: every red hair is now pure white. It’s… distinctive, I guess?

[@cowart73]

I will have to go back and listen to this whole interview because I want to hear more about aging. The make up conversation was interesting too but I also wanna hear about aging. It is a mystical journey.

[@TeeCass-bl9ii]

Be authentic! It’s counter to the culture!❤

[@rtalbeau7965]

I respectfully disagree. I sincerely wear makeup for myself, not for men or anyone else for that matter. I enjoy the artistry, and the whole process of putting it on relaxes me, and calms my anxiety. Just my perspective. To each his own.😊

[@ronaldbobeck9636]

We are not all called to be Trappist Monks or Concertrated Hermit's. If a Catholic lady wants a wear some make up I have no problem when my Aunt was a young woman she wore Red lipstick to Mass one Sunday to Mass at the Catholic Church in Edwardsville, Pa. One of the Sister's grab her up a wiped off the lipstick and scolded her . This was before WW ll . However that story has stayed with me since I heard it over 50 yrs back.

[@dianadiazdeleon9829]

I wear makeup because I like it. I don’t wear it for anyone else. I think revealing clothes is a problem not makeup.

[@missys7823]

My mom taught me that makeup was part of looking presentable. If you're going to a formal event for example, not wearing makeup would be considered rude in her eyes. I don't totally agree with her on everything, but her philosophy on makeup was not about fooling men into dating her.

[@shannonmaria22]

Respectfully, I disagree with your mom about formal events requiring makeup! You can look very formal and put-together without makeup by simply having a clean face, done hair, and properly fitted dress and jewelry. I never wear makeup unless it’s to cover up a blemish or scar. This way, my skin is happier and healthier.

[@missys7823]

​@@shannonmaria22I can see that, but I still think there are occasions where makeup is not only acceptable, it's expected of women (for better or worse). By wearing makeup, we're trying to meet societal expectations for grooming ourselves. We're not attempting to be actively deceptive. I think that when men talk like this about makeup, it tends to reveal misunderstandings what's really motivating us to do what we do.

[@zzc8505]

@missys7823 make up isn’t grooming. And altering oneself to match some arbitrary social expectations is the wrong motivation for anything, including makeup.

[@yeshua1st]

I didn't see St Teresa of Calcutta put on make up when she received the Nobel peace prize. That's my standard. Nuns lol. ​@@missys7823

[@missys7823]

@@zzc8505 I would ask what's the difference between doing your hair and wearing makeup? Both are done to improve appearance, and both men on this podcast certainly had their hair trimmed and styled. By your logic, everyone should let their hair grow and never modify it to improve their appearance.

[@lafemmepauvre]

EWTN host Jeannette Williams has a great saying: “At my age, wearing makeup is an act of charity.” 😂🎉

[@lizlovsdagmara5525]

Do you have more important things to talk about?

[@cynthiajampel6128]

Sometimes people feel better, when they look better.

[@pmbcdirector1489]

People also feel better when they tell themselves they aren't sinners. But, ultimately it is bad for their ultimate spiritual health. I don't think lying to yourself with makeup is any better.

[@myfakinusername]

I agree, there's nothing wrong with that...When it becomes excessive then it's a problem

[@HimekoIzayoi]

Exactly. I don't wear makeup myself but there is nothing wrong with it, my girl friends who wear makeup use it for themselves and because it's something they like, they could care less about the men around them.

[@spunkycat6144]

​@@HimekoIzayoiTHIS. If anything, I wear it to set a standard for looking decent. It has ZERO to do with men. I don't think men care. Or notice.

[@HimekoIzayoi]

@@spunkycat6144 True, unless you're wearing so much to the point that you look like a clown, most men won't even notice. 😂

[@spunkycat6144]

If any woman is looking for very affordable but good skin based eyeshadow, try Elf Cream and Sugar, Elf small eyebrow, Sephora Size Up mascara, and Burts Bees colored chap Stick. You will look fabulous for about 20 dollars. 😊

[@GaserBeam-hi4ez]

For sensitive eyes 20/20, or just go make up free

[@Nick-ij5nt]

I think if I went out in public walking around on stilts and driving a rented Ferrari women would feel like they were lied to once they find out that I'm not actually a 6'5 millionaire.

[@thovenach]

Is Make up lying? I am personally not for Makeup and let my wife know that I would rather her not wear enormous amounts of make up because she is so beatiful without it that it is just a mask. However I don't have a problem with a moderate amount of make up. I wouldn't say that me getting a haircut or keeping my beard in a proper fashion vanity. No I really just like to keep it contained and not out of control. Is it lying to keep my hair in check. Is it wrong for me to gel my hair? Is it sinful to take medecine to feel better? Is it wrong for me to use sunblock denying God the sun he gave us? I would say that make up is not lying or sinful unless you are trully using for vain reasons. So Makeup for vanity=bad. make up to change who you are =bad overuse of make up =bad. Getting a haircut? trimming a beard? Cleanshaven? Medicine to feel better? Preventitive measures for skin health? We can dwell on these questions but in the end I think the question we need to take literally is does it bring us closer to God or does it lead us down a sinful path of worship of ourselves?

[@laimajo3547]

Good analysis

[@spunkycat6144]

❤❤

[@beccamiller9929]

I would rather be ugly getting old than have my body fall apart. I have had arthritis in my hands, knees and ankles since I was 24 years old. Certain activate it harder than others. I also have neck and back pain regularly, almost everyday.

[@myrrhsolace5875]

Lots of time when men say they prefer a particular woman who “isn’t wearing makeup” what they are seeing is a woman who has spent a long time applying makeup designed to look like she isn’t wearing makeup. Watch a movie set in the 1700s or some other pre-modern time. The actresses look “naturally” beautiful. They are wearing loads of makeup applied by professionals to get that look. Women can usually tell when a woman really has no makeup versus natural-looking makeup, and when we point to the women who are truly makeup-free and ask for a male opinion, without fail a guy will think she looks sick or unattractive. Try it as an experiment sometime. Show guys pics of the same woman with no makeup and with “no makeup” look makeup, and see which photo they think is more appealing. They might not be able to say exactly why she looks better in one pic, but they’ll notice the difference.

[@Chr1st_has_risen]

Girls look BEAUTIFUL without makeup!!!!!!!

[@bio.Luminescence]

I never wear make up and some people still think I might be a teenager! I will let you borrow my nearsighted glasses. Yet if anyone actually bothers to look deeper than the skin, they will notice that I might be the protector mommy type. I don’t have a proper organisation set in place, but I naturally help all young female patients who are going through a rough time. I empower them to be strong and overcome their fears caused by past trauma. We are a growing army who chooses to fight against our sick society that treats women badly.

[@esthert9146]

I’m a woman and I hate wearing makeup,unfortunately I’m not attractive.

[@fujikokun]

Do you feel that wearing makeup makes you more attractive?

[@tragicallyhoney]

@@fujikokunit does

[@spunkycat6144]

You are beautiful. ❤ I see the beauty from within. Outward beauty is fleeting. I bet your eyes sparkle. Find a feature on you that you love.

[@esthert9146]

@@spunkycat6144 thank you, this brought me joy. Thank you.

[@CherryDreamer96]

You're an Icon of God, You must be beautiful ❤

[@kool2buzz]

God loves to create and He's the greatest artist of the universe. Look at nature and see his play time with colors. Makeup is to participate in His creativity. Praise God for sharing in His works. Renew your mindset and enjoy.

[@zzc8505]

At least keep God out of this. Make up is a manmade tool for indulging vanity and masking insecurities and marketing concoction for a billion dollar industry. It’s the opposite of God-given capacity for true creativity.

[@CherryDreamer96]

My husband finds me more attractive without makeup but also compliments ne when I do a full glam look just for fun.

[@susans2991]

It’s all in degrees. It can make you look unnatural or it can be to enhance a particular feature. Anything can be bad in the wrong hands or influenced my our modern culture. I do wear makeup when going out, but just to even out my skin tone and some mascara and lipstick. After chemo, my hair is back grey. I stopped using eyeshadow and all artificial coloring of my face. I get more compliments on my hair than I ever did when it was dyed and I can be ready in minutes rather than hours.

[@TheGPFilmMaker]

I'll take looking old if I still have all my physical capabilities! I'd rather look 75 or 80 and be able to rock climb than look 20 and have a hard time picking up things if I've dropped them. I am in my late 20s now. I have a couple wrinkles and that's okay :) I wear a tiny bit of makeup day to day (tinted sunscreen moisturizer, a little aloe on my eyebrows, a little eyeliner to help my eyes pop behind my glasses) and will put on a bit more for a special event (a neutral eyeshadow, a little blush, a little lipstick, some gentle mascara) because I feel it is similar to wearing a nice dress - it shows effort and respect for the occasion!

[@emilyashley4820]

Dr. Kreeft isn't ugly and old people aren't ugly. I don't think Bette White became ugly just because she got older.

[@Molly-cd9fx]

I wear makeup everyday because my checks are very red and I seem to blush very easily so it's helps a bit with that but I don't like putting in on everyday

[@dogcatmom5877]

My 94 year old mother still wears lipstick and powder when she goes anywhere. She feels she looks better with a little makeup and so she feels better. She feels it completes her outfit.

[@chrisplourde1690]

All is vanity including many of the ways we think about ourselves....I believe that was pointed out in Ecclesiastes or am I wrong?

[@angrychileh308]

A great skin care routine is the trick but i absolutely love 💄 makeup

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

If makeup is used to accentuate what is already there then it's fine. If it's covering you up then its wrong.

[@tragicallyhoney]

I wear makeup because I have eyebags for days and don’t feel beautiful at the moment.

[@pamlure9616]

Two men talking about makeup…😂😂😂 About like two men talking about home decor. Sorry, it’s just aesthetics, nothing more, nothing less. Use your own home to find a good analogy. Hair, makeup, clothes, posture…all are aesthetics. It’s that simple.

[@DaveTheRave-sd9yc]

Men are allowed to talk about whatever they like

[@stephaniejaniczekssmugglerscan]

Not giving up my make up.

[@Dianadicarta]

Men, please educate yourself about makeup before talking about it. A lot of you, men, say you prefer women without it than with it but clearly shouldn’t be talking about it before being able to differentiate a women who uses “natural” makeup than one who actually isn’t using it. Most women use “natural” makeup, when they don’t people tell them that they look sick. We have been culturally programmed to find actually natural women not look as attractive (we have hyperpigmentation, blemishes, baggy eyes, etc etc). The moment a heterosexual man tells me he can see a woman is using foundation or natural blush will be the day I will listen to what you are saying about this topic.

[@Dianadicarta]

It reminds me of that one pick me woman who went to whatever podcast to say she wasn’t wearing makeup and the men were all foolishly applauding her while the girls were side eyeing. It wasn’t because all the other girls were insecure about her but because they could clearly see that the pick me woman was a hypocrite because she was clearly using corrector, foundation, mascara and setting powder

[@laimajo3547]

This is quite, quite true. Maybe one or two men out there can really tell, but women who choose not to wear any makeup at all would have to be very beautiful to be noticed amidst the makeup-wearing women. That said, I do think men who look for women wearing less makeup might be more likely to find women attractive for more than just their looks. So it does go both ways.

[@spunkycat6144]

❤this.

[@spunkycat6144]

​@@DianadicartaYessss! This. It is EASY to say you aren't wearing anything, when you actually have lots of stuff on.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

Diana, I wish I could give you 500 thumbs up!

[@missys7823]

You can use the logic, "makeup is lying" to condemn anything that enhances your attractiveness. Are you wearing deodorant? Well, your being deceptive about your personal BO. Do you style your hair? By George, won't you partner be disappointed when they see your bedhead in the morning. Did you brush your teeth? Shave? Put on perfume/cologne? They are just as "deceptive" as makeup.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

Aaaaaaamen!

[@LRVitusR]

Brushing the teeth doesn’t really belong in the list. I agree with the logic you point out. To me, a question naturally arises, namely: what would we learn about ourselves and others, and how might that knowledge lead to a deeper relationship to God, if we ceased to participate in all of these activities? When someone eats good food, gets exercise, is generally healthy…they smell fine and look attractive. Obviously, I’m not talking about someone who hasn’t had a shower in days. I’m just saying that there is a difference between health/hygiene, and those tools we humans use to imitate health/hygiene.

[@missys7823]

@@LRVitusR I just mean to say nobody rolls out of bed ready for the day, regardless of how healthy or fit you are. Common courtesy demands that you put some effort into your appearance before you leave the house.

[@missys7823]

@@LRVitusR maybe I would swap out "brush you teeth" with "eating a breath mint"

[@michaelmiller6050]

Nope. Wrong. All strawman arguments. Wearing deodorant is not lying. Everyone has BO. Nobody likes being around someone stinky. While some people prefer some makeup and others don't. So that's not an accurate comparison. My beard grows on my face naturally, your makeup does not. Yet I look more attractive with a beard than without, so that argument doesn't work either. Brushing teeth, same as deodorant. Nobody likes stinky breath, while again, some prefer makeup and others don't. And for the sake of argument, I do infact roll out of bed without doing anything with my hair because it's short. Even though linger hair with my face shape looks better. It's less maintenance. So no. Your arguments are invalid.

[@spunkycat6144]

Let's talk about nail polish and nails on women.

[@MovedByBeauty]

Finally, an interview that tells Matt the truth about his girly makeup....

[@joaogabrieltrindadedias4308]

I would like to see the source of that phrase atributed to saint Agoustine

[@athlete_exegete]

On Christian Doctrine Book 4 Ch. 21 para. 49

[@joaogabrieltrindadedias4308]

That was fast

[@athlete_exegete]

@@joaogabrieltrindadedias4308 That is what I do. I lift and I know things about the Bible and theology. Hence my handle.

[@spunkycat6144]

Lets discuss the tight, revealing clothes that women wear, shall we?

[@spunkycat6144]

The halloween make up tutorials with the grill and the Joker are terrifying looking. 😅 I wonder what Jesus would think of that, or the women baby doll look or maje up on children during pageants.

[@kainech]

I don't think it's to look attractive (granted, I don't know). At this point it's so normal, and since we hide the unmodified as much as possible, if they don't, I suspect they get a lot of bad comments. However, that's when it's at maximal levels of the population. I think most of the makeup, clothes, exaggerated purses, and the like are not aimed at men. They're aimed at women and what they think. This gets it all normalized, then after it's normalized it hits the stage I mentioned above where, if you don't, the social pressure of "Are you OK?"/"You're weird" keeps it there.

[@mollym6375]

Yea, I think that this is a cursed discourse. Makeup operates on individual and social levels. I think in women for a particular, especially within the familial context, it's a way to have shared female time. For example, I don't ever have any memory of going makeup shopping with my brother and then assessing how the shades of makeup or particular contouring patterns added balance to my face. That's something I only do with my mom and sisters. And so I think from that perspective, makeup is an artistic endeavor and it seeks to bring about a perfection in the face or to highlight certain attributes. My husband is pretty indifferent to makeup. He's told me he likes it when I don't wear it. I personally think I look like a Sea hag when I don't wear it. So what's a girl to do? What? I would really enjoy a conversation on are extensions. Because if makeup is sinful then oh boy, I'd love to hear what they think about extensions. I used to listen to a lot of Matt Fradd, but anymore. I just think that he sounds very reductive and a bit like an ideologue.

[@CherryDreamer96]

Does anybody else find it incredibly odd that some men have highly emotive responses to how much makeup a woman wears? Even if it's a stranger in the street, online or on TV. Certain men feel the need to point it out and act disgusted etc. Really weird...why do they care so much ?

[@DeCoR18]

Because they don't like being manipulated and make up is manipulative by definition. It's part of a wider concept of genetic fraud which is poorly understood by the general public, it includes things like, plastic surgery, steroids, hair dye and make up etc.

[@michaelmiller6050]

Yeah I'm highly emotive about being lied to. The more makeup I see on a woman,the more I'm repulsed by her.

[@jjbutterbeans1515]

FYI to all the men out there. Women don't wear makeup for men. They don't wear fashionable clothes for men. They wear it to feel better about themselves. I have no idea why men are still trying to tell women how to live their lives. If you don't like the way a woman looks with makeup on then don't look at her. Men should not be assuming what a woman is thinking because of the way she looks. It's absolutely positively none of your business whether a woman wears makeup or not.

[@DeCoR18]

Just curious if you realise this is a Christian KZbin channel?

[@michaelmiller6050]

Except for all the billions of women that do wear it for men, of course. And to leave such a comment on a Christian channel begs the question, are you aware of the community here? We absolutely believe in telling a woman how to look and how to act. Same as telling men how to look and how to act. I won't tell you to never view a video on this channel again as I'd obviously like you to give your heart to christ. But come on 😂 a little situational awareness isn't out of place.

[@alenaadamkova5322]

If she sometimes wears no make up.. its ok to wear also a decent make up, so the husband knows her in both versions. Both is ok, because he v alues mostly her personality sense of humor, elegance etc. But plastic surgeries should be only in situations of some medical problems etc.

[@bobandkelly]

I refer to my make up as a public service

[@1annewatkins]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 me to 😂😂😂😂😂

[@marypat7196]

Good one!

[@CherryDreamer96]

When a man says to me "you're pretty without makeup, you dont need it" I find it quite insulting. I didn't say that I did need it, Theres nothing wrong with my face. Makeup is fun, I like to experiment with it and I like the way it looks. It's really bold to assume that I do it just for you to notice.

[@zzc8505]

Oh, these modern days when w-0ke-mentality !d!0ts get “offended” and “insulted” by even well-intentioned insignificant things. Ppl like that had better take care of their dysfunctional perceptions instead of worrying about covering up their faces. The problem is on your mind, not your looks.

[@michaelmiller6050]

You get insulted by a compliment?

[@CherryDreamer96]

@@michaelmiller6050 it would appear so, but it depends on the context and my relationship with the man.

[@michaelmiller6050]

@@CherryDreamer96 what context would make you feel offended by a genuine compliment?

[@CherryDreamer96]

@@michaelmiller6050 If it was from a man I hardly knew, or even a stranger which has happened before. I suppose it's rooted in misunderstanding. Men (and some women, usually of an older generation) misunderstand why we wear makeup.

[@fujikokun]

I don’t think makeup makes women more beautiful, it makes them more sexual, generally speaking. The darkened eyes, the flushed cheeks, rouged lips, are all meant to evoke the bedroom. Covering up flaws is a different matter, so that seems fine, as long as it’s not taken to the extreme. Like covering up acne. Once you start covering your whole face with something I think that’s a problem.

[@kc_1802]

There's a good point here ! Applies to clothing as well, and it can even get pretty subtle. I don't think either (relatively speaking) are off-limits, it's more that it boils down to time/place and intention (basically, I agree with Aquinas). Sexual attraction is a part of life, but the problem with modern society (imo) is that we women think we need to have our sexual attractiveness blasted publicly and ceaselessly, in order to be "nice-looking" and not ugly. There are ways to look pleasant and pretty without relying on more sexual evocations, even the more subtle ones. However, I'd also caveat this with my personal thought that we should strive not to harshly judge each other's specific ways of trying to live out such truths; let everyone respond as they personally understand best, as long as they are exposed to and convicted of the truths themselves. (I was considering for instance that maybe in different cultures, people may have a different ideas about beauty, and so one person's version of modesty may not look *exactly* the same as another's?) Also, where one person is struggling or still growing, they may be more virtuous than us in another area. Hence again the need to refrain from playing judge. Most of all, we should probably each focus more on our own intentions and decisions, far more than trying to label others'. (This isn't to naysay this Pints conversation in particular, though, it wasn't offensive to me and seemed plenty respectful. I am thinking more about how people in general, myself included, can get very judgmental)

[@JoshuaSeraphimMoretz]

The bit about not trying to look younger because it's lying about "falling apart inside" isn't consistent. I see he is wearing clothes that probably weren't made 40 years ago. Why is Dr. Kreeft lying by wearing something that is not consistent with what's beneath? "Oh, but you have to replace clothes because they rip and tear and fall apart and they stop functioning properly as clothes." Ah. I see. So it's ok to have that mindset with clothes and not consider it "lying" when you buy new clothes, but it's lying when you have the same mindset with skin? "Well God gave us skin, so it's an affront to what he gave us." God gave clothes to Adam and Eve in Genesis, so replacing the clothes given to us at the earliest possible point where they will fit for life is an affront to what God gave us through our family. "That's different because clothes are not meant to last a life time. You can't take your skin off at the end of the night. The nature of clothing is to come off and on at various times." True, but why buy new ones? The heart of Kreeft's argument is to not lie about what's underneath (the aging process) so buying new clothes is in concert with attempting to put a "fresh face" to something old. Perhaps he could refine the argument to be more precise (it was off the cuff), but as presented it is inconsistent with him wearing clothes older than the last time he grew. Who cares if they would have patches and mismatched fabrics? That's part of the aging process, don't fight it, don't lie about the skin underneath. "Well that's preposterous. No one actually would live that way given the choice." Exactly.

[@DBELLTREE]

yeah and no.

[@Rocketninja200]

Bring chicken soup to the doctors office. Meet women without makeup.

[@CherryDreamer96]

Pre shower makeup... iykyk

[@pooknokoop]

sometimes women wear makeup just because its fun to put on and play with, like an artistic hobby

[@KingSquirtle999]

It can be

[@spunkycat6144]

Mrs Midwest talks, in her early videos about how she used make up to attract men, with her make up routine. She truly looks like a Barbie and it is evident that her KZbin channel and Istagram are all about self love. Did she trick the guy? She quit working right after she got married and just stayed home for a few years doing playing house, prepping for children, she called it. Then she had kids. They are a church family. She isnt stupid and just tells girls like it truky is. To attract a great husband, who has lots of earning potential, you need to look amazing. In her world, it is true.

[@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152]

There’s nothing wrong with makeup.

[@catherinemurphy9726]

So many men claum to prefer what they think is a no makeup look, not realizing that what they're looking at is a skillfully applied and blended natural makeup look.

[@spunkycat6144]

I haven't seen the video, but yes.

[@Marlenejessup]

This is so ridiculous in my opinion. Of all the problems facing the church -women who like to wear make up is not one of them. 😂 I love to wear up. It makes me feel feminine and put together. I will also say this- I had to be on high doses of hormones to prevent miscarriage with all four of my pregnancies and the hormones gave me a skin condition called hyperpigmentation/melasma as well as tremendous amounts of acne. To this day, I prefer to use make up to cover up the scars so that people can just focus on me and not the massive scarring on my face. Blemishes and scars on the face are psychologically detrimental to the person suffering from them, and this has been proven by psychological science. This is why acne treatment is required to be covered by medical insurance. Next time you feel like a woman is “ lying to you “ because she’s wearing make up maybe consider the things that she has been through in her life before you pass judgment. 😊

[@lilyw72]

Oh c’mon! It’s not a lie to wear makeup. Gimme a break. Keep following this train of thought and you’ll say it’s a lie to swallow a belch or use deodorant. In polite, civilized society, we downplay our imperfections.

[@michaelmiller6050]

Nah that's a strawman argument. Swallowing a belch not at all the same as lying about your appearance with makeup.

[@kevinkelly2162]

True. I know a guy who couldn't tell the truth if you paid him, spreads gossip about people every day and he is always coverd in the most obnoxious orange make up.

[@michaelmiller6050]

Who is this?

[@spunkycat6144]

Lunch break over😅. I only made 25 commebts and was going for 26. 😅

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

You crack me up. I loved every one of them!

[@spunkycat6144]

I want to know if his (the guest) daughters or sons wives wear make up?

[@spunkycat6144]

I am very light (blue eyed, blonde) and as I aged, my eyelashes turned clear and my eybrows are so pale you can barely see them.😅.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

Mine were always that way. You hardly notice that I have eyes without eyeshadow.

[@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics]

Interesting 🤔

[@spunkycat6144]

I am about to piss off the men. If you live in an area or are of an age where you have a woman SERVANT, making you your meals, cleaning your house, washing your clothes, and you are willing to provide a home for her to safely sleep in, then she probably won't need make up. This topic...umph.

[@Artty-fl8ul]

Similar to tattoos. Someone asked did Jesus have tattoos? Did Jesus wear makeup? We're supposed to emulate him.

[@SufferingWell-dtwakr]

Jesus was a man. ???

[@spunkycat6144]

I wonder what guys think when they dare women who wear lots of make up, then get married and, just be honest, what is it like in the house? Do you not think she is pretty? Do you like it when she makes up for an outing or work or church? I saw LOTS of women wearing LOTS of make up at a water park. It was so crazy looking. Just young girls looked that way.

[@thatomofolo452]

😂😂😂

[@iohannesfactotum]

Makeup is twofold: False youth False markers of ovulation

[@barbarakorczynski7133]

Bologna 😂

[@user10cool]

Comments section is quite worldly here