Is Meat Really that Bad?

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Food is arguably the best thing about being alive. No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times every day and never gets old. It is an expression of culture, our parents' love and a means of celebration or comfort. That’s why it hits a special nerve when we are told we should change what and how we eat to fight rapid climate change. One of the most delicious foods, meat, gets the worst press. It doesn’t help that the topic is really hard to properly research yourself and debates get emotional quickly. But clearly science can give us an answer!
The reality is, well, it’s complicated. Let’s take a look at three climate arguments against meat that are used a lot and see what happens.
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[@wailordzp6363]

Food. :)

[@YoJellooo]

🥩

[@taizu55]

Hi

[@isarea_]

I love you

[@chieckenman4432]

MEAT IS GOOD

[@vianabdullah2837]

Not having dislikes means I can't really tell how well-received this video is. Which sucks because this is such a heated topic.

[@rubenschilling]

yep, KZbin absolutely needs to bring the dislikes back

[@GeekFurious]

Why does it matter?

[@jpHasABadHandle]

​@@filgaming7746 Which will only work for 'til the end of the year, when KZbin will even remove dislikes from their APIs.

[@clutrike7956]

It's a really good thing for the 'content creators'. Now they can say horrendously idiotic things without any sense of criticism or disapproval. Now there's no real way of voicing such disapproval. Comments do nothing, you can upload a video response but literally no one will see it or care. The era of stupidity has begun.

[@SymmetricalDocking]

@@pawaniyer Fanciful worship and blind faith on your part, but reality finds it inaccurate. You can learn a lot of things from Kurzgesagt and there's also a lot they get wrong. Stop accepting everything blindly.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

“Food is arguably the best thing about being alive” Everyone who loves food: “I felt that”

[@SilverBirb]

Hi ;))

[@thatguynamedtohuki]

will you ever grow a mustache?

[@akshit_sharma1]

I am THE FIRST

[@SilverBirb]

@@glare2765 AM FIRST

[@imbatman5110]

You I see you everywhere!!!! Haaaaa

[@camilascatonebedin3002]

When you said "especially in Brazil", as a Brazilian, I wanted to cry. We have this really nice and important forest and we are burning it down, wtf

[@chicomaroto]

Se tu vive em algum lugar do norte, essa não é nem a pior parte. Em pouco em pouco a gente avança área verde pra fazer mais apartamentos e condomínios, sem contar invasões

[@goldenfish4150]

Same, im from Brazil and i was sad. We just burn every day the floresta Amazônia

[@angeloa.lapizar8139]

True

[@BlazeAnimayshunz]

As another brazilian, I agree that burning the amazon forest will not just bring consequences for Brazil, Colombia and other countries which the forest is also located in, but for the whole world The amazonian forest isn't called "Lung of the World" for no reason

[@sipriano9829]

Calma. Tem que ver o porque e como a "preservação da Amazônia" é feita. Métodos estúpidos como somente entregar pra ONGS internacionais não servem (largar na mão de garimpeiro também não). E o oceano é mais importante ainda e mesmo assim nao fazem tanto escândalo.

[@loganheath7680]

Would be great if you guys also did a video on overfishing and seafood. Exploitation of fish stocks is a much larger issue than plastic pollution, but the media never cover it. I'm a marine biology undergraduate and I feel this is a super important topic for people to know about alongside this! How cutting down on the consumption of unsustainable seafood (and what that means) compares to farmed meat would be be perfect for a Kurzgesagt video! Edit: Also important to consider why this is such a difficult problem - due to the fishing industry being highly corporate and lucrative, while having a black market too. Not only this, but along with the health benefits of some seafood (e.g. omega 3 in oily fish), many countries (particularly poor island nations) rely on seafood as their main protein source. Sustainability is the ultimate goal and I'd love to see how kurzgesagt suggest we reach it! :)

[@craftycadence3685]

This video wasn't over plastic pollution? It was over the most impactful pollution; greenhouse gasses. Which are destroying our planet. Not just one section but the entire planet. Oceans, forests, icebergs they are all facing the consequences of our greenhouse gas emissions.

[@oldbillybobjoe]

I absolutely agree

[@WahibQupty]

Yes please!

[@fudgesauce]

One thing to keep in mind: you don't have to go 100% vegan or vegetarian ... it isn't all or nothing. If you replace beef with pork or chicken, great. If you eat meat less often or have smaller portions, great. That all helps. I have changed to a mostly vegetarian diet but when I get Thai food (a couple times a month) I opt for chicken. If I'm eating with others and we are sharing food, I'll have what they're having, no fuss about insisting on vegetarian options.

[@Literarydilettante]

Yes!!!

[@arthas640]

I think the Catholics had it right with their vegetarian days. In medieval times they'd eat beans instead of meat a few days a week and I think everyone should do the same (but also include eggs as a protein).

[@MasterArrow]

THANK YOU! Nobody (other than the vegan extremists, who make up a very small, but vocal portion of us) wants to force people to eat the Beyond/Impossible/Gardein products. Literally all we want is for people to consider their options and see if changing 1 part of their diet is feasible. As stated in the video, more often than not, it's those few small decisions that make the biggest longterm difference. Go fully vegan? Awesome! Cut out 1 single beef dish per year? Still great! *One step forward is all it takes!*

[@RJ_Ehlert]

I have been giving up eating mammals.

[@SVURulez]

And that's great if you're happy eating that. Some people get a greater joy from eating pork or beef and they're not required to give up the things that make them happy when there are plenty of other things that other people choose to do that contribute just as much or more to climate change. Just because a bunch of people who don't appreciate food decided it's easy to cut back on meat doesn't mean that it's the main problem or solution.

[@ShortHax]

This is all too complicated, I’ll just stop eating

[@MrBelles104]

I recommend putting all food you own into a blender to consume them by drinking. Also make sure to use a straw.

[@ATRForsakenBusinessman]

stop breathing to decrease carbon emissions, modern problems require modern solutions B)

[@SVURulez]

Well technically dying WOULD reduce your carbon footprint more than cutting back on meat.

[@apparit10n]

You could use the method Martha Stewart used on South Park!

[@TheReapersSon]

Doesn't help that most climate science is a jumbled mess of scaremongering and guilt-tripping, fueled by numerous inaccurate predictions, manipulated data and strawmen arguments, and some of the leaders of the climate movement are scam artists. People like Al Gore and John Kerry.

[@juanritanjaya6254]

Kurzgesagt : Terraforming Venus is easy Also Kurzgesagt : Meat …. Is Complicated

[@janevandermerwe4149]

Funny how the world works

[@angryman9333]

.... It's bs

[@nicholastsl]

Its complicated due to moral implications not technological.

[@kevinkanhai2761]

@@nicholastsl What moral implications? Cows are animals and everything is food for something else. The idea you shouldn't eat animals on moral grounds is as ridiculous as the argument you shouldn't wear glasses because they interfere with the natural aging process or drink alcohol because it's wasteful. The animals we eat are the most successful species biologically ~ they make up the majority of the mammalian biomass.

[@mickeyspencer5745]

@@nicholastsl But they dont talk about any ethics, did they?

[@michaelstephenson4755]

I am glad that they acknowledged the useless land. I know that near where I live we have hundreds of square miles of useless desert that is designated as “cattle land”, even though it’s rarely used for grazing.

[@davidvuong9128]

"Look at all this land we are using for cattle grazing, which would otherwise be wasted!" But actually raises cattle in factory farms.

[@gettingnew500]

@@davidvuong9128 no 25% of the lands surface is used by extensively keep animals.. ask Wikipedia. 🙆🏻

[@dariocarere3598]

@@gettingnew500 I asked Wikipedia, and I found out that, whether extensive or not, the vast majority of arable lands is wasted for animal agriculture. You are really committing to persuade the world of bs, am I right? Maybe you want to preach about regenerative agriculture too? I mean, one needs some kind of mental illness to believe that the resources used for 80 billions of animals every year are LESS than what you need for 7 billions of humans. So really, bless your heart. I hope someone will find a cure.

[@StylesEste]

@@gettingnew500 You realize that wikipedia is controlled by a political group that enforces American Progressivism, rather than objectivity, right? It's co-founder had said just as much when he departed the company. ;) Seriously.. If you're using wikipedia to get knowledge, you're intentionally being misled.

[@gettingnew500]

@@StylesEste hm.. i think you can be too scared of the world. i always look for many sources. otherwise we just can't get out of the world. BillGates sets the tone here, and you can still watch the film. 😉

[@goosebandicoot7083]

I initially read this as “Is Meth Really that Bad?” and for a moment was very concerned for Kurzgesagt

[@scrambledmandible]

That's the next video

[@homosexualamphibian359]

I'd watch that

[@jameskilgour387]

It would explain some of the more wacky animations on the videos

[@godless-clump-of-cells]

No, it's not bad at all, actually. Perhaps that's why this 8-ball is just dying to be your friend.

[@lampwick4427]

Kurzgesagt desperately trying to explain away all the all-nighter they have to make quality videos for us.

[@atakanmercan566]

I like that you guys actually did not hide the fact that factory meat production is actually better than locally. I'm still against harsh conditions in factory meat production but it is actually pretty nice that you actually showed us the truth

[@AnymMusic]

same. I'd rather buy locally just to know the animals have likely had a better life, even then, just balancing plant based meals and meat meals should also at least fix a lot of the problems locally could cause

[@N1ko0L]

Tbf the solution is simple, just eat meat once or twice a week, it's save money, it's save earth, and it's better for your health, and a lot better than buying discount meat every day, being omnivore dosen't mean we need to eat equal amounts of meat and vegetables

[@kimsanghyuk97]

@@N1ko0L It's crazy simple right? I don't understand why people are so adamant that they have to eat meat every day; it's not a big ask to cut it down to once or twice a week, or even better, only have it for special occasions

[@Nuvizzle]

The best thing about this is that putting heavy regulations on factory farms would still provide better outcomes for animals AND more efficient meat for us. The only reason we're not seeing more research and funding for things like lab grown meat as a livestock replacement is because the livestock industry is so lucrative and monopolized. Regulate the emissions, regulate the cruelty, and I guarantee you we'll be seeing massive breakthroughs in affordable meat products that are genetically identical to beef without ever having to grow and butcher a cow.

[@FierceFire14]

@@kimsanghyuk97 instant change like that would be difficult to swallow. Like if I told myself at 10 I would eat close to a third of the sugar I ate at that time, I wouldn't be able to. But that's what I'm currently doing, and stuff with stupid high sugar content doesn't taste good anymore. The only reason I'm able to is because my mom slowly decreased the amount of sugar in everything we baked and ate.

[@gabriellevy8869]

Wonderful topic and coverage on this video! Thank you for including your sources document as well, wonderful for future reading. Cheers!

[@czcibor6436]

There is a missing thing about grasslands. Currently without livestock. We removed big herd herbivore mammals from grasslands, which were probably the key species for these biomes through hunting and domestication. There is evidence by Allan Savory that indices that trampling by large herds of herbivores was a key element in the growing process. So probably now we need to feed cows on grasslands in order to prevent desertification

[@sethofthewildfire]

Exactly! 💯 agree

[@gettingnew500]

from me also 10 points 👍

[@mmmmaurer]

Okay, then you should only eat cows fed on grassland

[@gettingnew500]

@@mmmmaurer is this a problem to you?

[@animesock1671]

@@mmmmaurer In some areas, they actually use bison because bison can go up steeper hills than cows.

[@thyalchemist]

Video suggestion: Can you guys show us the current status of lab grown meat and vertical farming technology? Love your work!

[@crocodileguy4687]

Yess please!

[@Jambi14]

Unfortunately it is nowhere close in terms of scalability let alone acceptability and affordability, even at scale. At best, all it ever will be is a niche indulgence.

[@LunaPaviseSolcryst]

There's a video on the RealScience channel about it actually. Tldr; It's really hard to grow meat outside of a body and currently requires copious amounts of aborted cow fetus blood in the form of FBS (Fetal Bovine Serum).

[@Luigicat11]

Definitely want to see this. Lab-grown meat seems like the most viable way to fix the majority of problems with meat, without forcing people to just stop eating meat.

[@obbscur2]

also more GMO !

[@PopeKarul]

Kurzgesagt: Food is, arguably, the best thing about being alive. Zuckerberg: *adds to 'How to act alive' list*

[@lilyucai]

That’s a good one

[@bibobeuba]

More like adds to "How to act human" list.

[@yoavhalperin5852]

He's already smoking these meats

[@luker4060]

sweet baby raes

[@supreethmahadeva5262]

Pretty sure he is noting down to add restaurants and simulate eating in his metaverse now 😂😂

[@Kellyesan]

Can I just say that I love the kind of people that these Kurzgesagt videos bring together? Even in disagreement, most of the conversations in the comments are open-minded and respectful. It really gives me hope.

[@mitchellfriesen4795]

I know Some people don't know This but sometimes You have to do crop rotations between growing crops and Pasture land because after a Couple Years you have to since the land is lacking some nutrients and using in for hay allows it to grow back.

[@RipleySawzen]

Soybeans, which he specifically mentioned, are often a trash crop grown to restore nitrogen in the soil. There simply aren't enough people to eat all the soybeans. But cows...

[@lauariasmart]

@@RipleySawzen I'm doing research on this topic and find this very interesting, could you please send me a link to a study that supports this??

[@RipleySawzen]

@@lauariasmart Why certainly! KZbin deletes links, so you can search up *Nitrogen in the Environment: Nitrogen Replacement Value of Legumes.* Interestingly, it's not the soybeans themselves that contribute to soil nitrogen levels, but the bacteria that eat the dead soybean plants the next spring. This is different from what happens with corn. You can read more about that at *Why Do We Need a Soybean Nitrogen Credit* as well. You can search up *Soybeans for Hay or Silage* for some information on using soybeans as a crop for animals. Forage (grazing) soybeans are noted as not needing as much or any herbicide. They also need little to no pesticide. (Do you care if the cows eat bugs?) And due to the nitrogen fixing nature, obviously less fertilizer. Any crop grown for human consumption will use more herbicide, fertilizer (in this case probably more phosphorus), and pesticides. I looked for some articles about this, but couldn't find any. All the search results are full of the politicized misinformation about the topic. It's difficult to find anything about the actual farming techniques of human vs animal feed. I do hate it when politics completely drowns out science. Hopefully, it's just obviously apparent enough that human food requires better farming techniques than animal food.

[@Tinky1rs]

@@lauariasmart all legumes have a symbiotic relationship with nitrogen fixing bacteria. If you look that up, you'll find how legumes can serve as a cover crop. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the massive soybean plantations are used as a cover crop to restore the soil though.

[@JamesGurney]

I noticed you changed your thumbnail image from “Meat Love” to “Meat Hate.” What was reason for the change and what did your analytics tell you about the difference in response between the two approaches?

[@jchoi2527]

I can answer this for you: engagement. The most controversial take gets the most clicks, from either haters or fans. Twitter and Facebook uses this same strategy, so corporation-level KZbin channels do the same.

[@sawney.21]

The thumbnail was the reason of why I opened the video. At first, I saw the video on my feed with another image, the "Meat Love" one, but I wasn't interested enough in the topic to watch it right away. Then, the video is again on my feed, but with the current thumbnail... I was confused, and I didn't know either if I was going crazy or if they actually changed the thumbnail, so I had to watch the video LoL *Update: Upon watching the video, I think that the current thumbnail is more fitting than the "Meat Love" one. "Meat Hate" is not meant to be their take, but rather the popular belief (meat/cows are "evil") on which they establish their investigation. That's also why the video is called "Is Meat Really that Bad?", they are questioning it and providing facts as they are TL;DR: The video doesn't have any agenda. The change of thumbnail was on point

[@mathusuthanvenkatesan]

My educated guess... the first wave of viewers are mostly subscribers, so as to not lose subscribers, a non 'controversial' title. But for higher click through rate, a more debatable title which will make users click. Just my take

[@MewPurPur]

Probably just experimenting with what thumbnails attract attention more.

[@jxq12]

@@jchoi2527 kurzgesagt is not a corporation, no questions asked

[@bitchless5104]

"No other bodily function is enjoyed multiple times and never gets old"... Well, this is going places.

[@cerridianempire1653]

oh lord...BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@gasdive]

I'm a huge fan of breathing.

[@SS-rf1ri]

Funni sausage

[@raandomplayer8589]

Timestamp? I somehow missed that.

[@raconvid6521]

@@raandomplayer8589 0:04

[@lukemarquardt665]

7:21 this little guy in the corner speaks out exactly what I was thinking. So much detail in these videos! Thank you!

[@gettingnew500]

bill loves you

[@gettingnew500]

I meant billgates.

[@damedesuka77]

"Food is arguably the best thing of being alive". Truth. I once went to study abroad in a class with lots of international students, and it's funny how everyone agrees that the first thing they miss from their home country is the food. Not a location, not people, not music, but food. I started to feel the loss on my 2nd-3rd week out of my 1 year study. It's pretty weird.

[@cheetoschrist5685]

DUDE YES. I'm going back to my home country for the holidays and I've already planned out a hefty route to try all the special foods I'm missing that "just aren't the same" here in america lol.

[@TommiV226]

I'm guessing none of the participants were Finnish. There aren't many foods to miss here :D

[@babla69420]

How tf u miss music like u can hear it anywhere

[@herramirtsaaja9032]

@@TommiV226 no haista vittu

[@meepnope4389]

Man I miss fish and chips….☹️

[@lightningslayer100]

"Food is arguably the best thing about being alive." Love him or hate him, he is spittin facts to us.

[@jonasl8830]

Life over taste

[@RozayMalikOG]

probably because we would die if we didnt eat at all...

[@user-yf2wn7yc2s]

ye

[@egg2586]

@@jonasl8830 I've always wondered why some can be so empathetic towards a food source, something that almost defies nature, but that's what makes human beings so interesting. The ideas we make up can change our entire framework of thought, shake the foundations of our psyche to the point where we are pretty much indoctrinating ourselves. To me, our feelings do not make something true, and that is the case with morality, just because you FEEL, doesn't mean that it IS. There is a thin line there that should be tread carefully and I'd advise not getting ahead of yourself, history shows were that kind of hubris can go. Unless you're religious or something, then ethical relativism doesn't apply to you, congrats, you have your ideological dictator and your god is the end all be all.

[@YourMajesty143]

I mean it's a question of why we even consider animals to be food in the first place, when nutritionally they don't have anything unique or special that can't be derived from plant foods. Why is it that we only consider certain animals as food, but others as pets or zoo animals, etc? In America, we consider cow and pig to be food, but in India the cow is sacred and pork is forbidden in the Middle East. The Middle East sees horses, camels, and bunnies as food, Southeast Asia will eat snakes, while in some parts of Africa, insects are eaten happily. China considers dogs and cats to be food, and Eastern European countries prize sheep milk and goat milk over cow's milk. Think about why we don't have a universal ideal of what's food and what are protected animals. The reality is that you didn't come to eating animals intuitively, it's something we've been conditioned to believe for centuries. We don't salivate at raw meat or a bloody carcass the way real carnivores do. We need to cook our dead meat & season it in order for it to be chewable and palatable. We don't even have the proper teeth or claws to hunt animals, we manufactured tools to do so. Biologically, even our digestion is more aligned to a herbivore than an omnivore. Behaviorally, we've adapted to like meat, but deep down it was never a choice given to us. We were inculcated with these ideas in our unsuspecting youth just as our parents had once been, and their parents before, and their parents before... So to say that meat even tastes good is misleading, bc we go through ALOT of steps just to turn it into "food": blood-draining, de-furring, skinning, de-boning, removing tumors, etc. Then we need to hang it upside down on a hook in a fridge while it decomposes and collects bacterial slime aka "tenderizing". Then we scrape that slime off and start sectioning. We pump it with carbon monoxide to take it from deathly grey to rosy pink. Then the marinade/spices happens bc unseasoned meat tastes terrible. Then we cook it in order to avoid e.coli, listeria, or salmonella poisoning. Yum. But we're not done, bc meat is the #1 choking hazard for humans, so you still need a knife and fork. But sure, let's continue to convince ourselves that meat is a "human food".

[@Kriptiko]

Watching this for the first time in July 2022 and when bro said "there are a few shiny calendars left" I was like BRUH they didn't sell out of these? Then I realized how far behind I am in the Kurzgesagt world.

[@LiterallyTheLetterJ]

"Food is arguably the best thing about being alive" Me, eating food right now: I couldn't agree more

[@GuardianTemplar]

Literally eating a steak while watching this.

[@hexiy_dev]

literally fasting while watching this

[@tydli]

I want to see a part two of this with more information about food that comes from the ocean, rivers and lakes.

[@CrimsonClowd]

Even worse

[@SoullessCast]

I think that would be very difficult to measure. Terrestrial plant life and usage can be measured, weighed, mapped, calculated down to pretty accurate figures. It's much more difficult to measure the exact diet of fish (stomach dissection help, but then you have to break down the "what smaller thing in the ocean was eating the next smaller thing" very far down) Fish also have free travel, unlike penned livestock. It's hard to measure the carbon storage of an area underwater and figure out how much of that a fish used, especially given the vast variety of fish we eat compared to our fairly standard terrestrial food animals. This applies mostly more to rivers and oceans, so lakes and ponds could be studied, but they make up such a small percentage of our aquatic diet compared to the oceans that it would likely be fairly useless. Fish farms could also be measured more accurately, but still I believe they are much less a factor than free ocean fishing and trawling. That said, I'm more a terrestrial than aquatic ecologist, so there could be many more studies in aquatic ecology that I'm not aware of.

[@hemaangbhatia7874]

it would be worse cuz that damages the seabed and plants

[@MewPurPur]

I don't think it's as bad. It's a kind of different ecosystem of problems. There's overfishing, plastic pollution, and mass use of antibiotics in fish farms. They promised they'll cover this someday.

[@jcephrie]

And the water use, pollution, and anti-biotic problem with factory farming.

[@mrniffels]

no matter how I hard I try, I just cannot imagine how the speaker could look like based off his voice

[@kevcraft9852]

Like a birb

[@jimday666]

Probably human too

[@allistertheeldritchmemegod3537]

It sounds computer generated to me but I am not confident enough to assert as such.

[@PupperTiggle]

Like a orangutan

[@jonny4187]

@@allistertheeldritchmemegod3537 It is not computer generated, it is a voice actor.

[@BartyTheParty]

I'm curious what role sea food could play in all this. (I'm woefully undereducated on these issues unfortunately. 😅 If anyone who knows stuff has any advice, I'd appreciate a link or two at least.)

[@SCP--ck5ip]

Seafood I devastatingly bad, 85%, of fish stocks are overexploited and illegal fishing is responsible or piracy in the suez canal

[@BartyTheParty]

@@SCP--ck5ip okay but how does that apply to the carbon situation? 🤔 I guess that's a pretty loaded question. 😅

[@SCP--ck5ip]

@@BartyTheParty Because pollution is largest in urban locations and the biggest impacts are seen there

[@gettingnew500]

fish is incredible, good to us.

[@gettingnew500]

and.. vegans sent their undigested plants to the sewage treatment plant for methanogenesis. methanogenesis start on the way under the dirty town. 🌿😁

[@lordekker]

I still don't understand one thing. Why is meat emitting co2 when it's all organic? Whatever co2 meat production emits, it should be re-absorbed by the crops those animal eats in a circle. So it should be a 0 emissioni business. By intuition I would say that the actual issues are the non circular practices, like the destruction of co2 rich forests for building farmland and the massive usage of artificial fertilizers in the crop industry (that are produced out of fossils). Not the meat per se. Shouldn't these be the real target of our sensibilization efforts? Granted without those we will produce way less meat (because we will produce dramatically less vegetables overall too), but I fail to see how an agriculture without animals (and the natural fertilizers they provide) can really be circular and sustainable. Can someone explain?

[@gettingnew500]

youre totally right.

[@gettingnew500]

i say it like this: cows are carbon neutral.

[@chimp09]

Even if the cycle is closed, adding cows to that cycle means there is at any time more methane in the atmosphere than without those extra cows. Take this for example: There are 100 cows on earth that produce 100 units of methane per day. Everyday 10% of that methane is converted to CO2. The amount of methane in the atmosphere now rises to the point where the 100 units added by the cows is balanced with the 10% that are converted back to CO2. That means, when the amount of methane in the atmosphere reaches 1000 units, the cycle is in balance. If you now add 100 more cows, all cows together will now produce 200 units of methane each day. So the amount in the atmosphere increases, until it balances out again. Meaning it will rise until there are 2000 units of methane in the atmosphere. This is of course simplified, but should give a general overview. Without those cows, the Carbon would be stored inside plants. Either in forests or sparsley grazed grasslands.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@chimp09 You didn't factor in the emissions caused by stopping meat products. Very biased of you. You do realize plant waste (the stuff that is inedible to humans) would either be incinerated or sent to landfills where they will create methane, CO2, and NO2 in far higher concentrations? Right? Why do you use animal products needlessly while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer this and instead will evade the simple question, ignore the simple question, babble nonsense about a doctrine, and/or some other nonsense non-answer.

[@chimp09]

@@janieswanson2549 if you can't understand simple concepts like this, you can always try to ask instead of showing your ignorance, you know. ;)

[@gluestick4833]

“They don’t spend spare energy on things like walking.” Thats a sentence I never thought I’d hear.

[@OfficialExqui]

TBH There are a lot of people who do the same.

[@arrsea7947]

Mevin Jimmy is white

[@user-rr9ep8mj4b]

아 한국어 자먁 있으면 좋겠다..

[@topiheimola69]

@@OfficialExqui cough cough americans

[@jbird4478]

Walking is optional for burgers and egg factories.

[@Justin-gv3lp]

“No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times every day and never gets old.” *Yoda voice* : No, there is another.

[@flamingnacho]

Lol

[@solgato5186]

pooping is just followthrough on eating

[@Justthatguy1998]

@@solgato5186 I mean if that’s what your into to

[@michaelleue7594]

Breathing? Blinking? Peeing? Talking?

[@theasianboy315]

You mean, take a shower and sleeping?

[@claudiodavid1915]

How about fish? How eco-friendly is seafood compared to plants? A video about it would be nice

[@AliTanoli-cq3js]

Yeah I would really like that too

[@GamingoMatic]

Fish population is declining even more!! Also itll cause biomagnification.

[@SteversChed]

@@GamingoMatic Why are you against other people eating animal products from the same animals that you use animal products from?

[@masterzzz1266]

@@SteversChed bro stop repeating the same comment every time

[@SteversChed]

@@masterzzz1266 Nah...

[@deeznutz862]

5:00 This is probably the biggest piece of disinfo Kurzgesagt has published. 1 Natural greenhouse gasses, gasses that are released by the circle of life are eventually returned into the ecosystem. The problem has, and will always be emitting non-natural gases from permanent storage. For this the beef c02 calculation is majorly off as it includes methane production of the cattle. 2 The pre-colonial ruminant herds and modern north American cattle herds are roughly equivalent in methane production. Meaning giving back this land to nature will certainly, not magically grow trees but be returned to bison and elk to repeat the supposed methane problem. 3 Cows turn garbage into food. The north American cattle herd eats 70% human inedible food. This also ignores how the supposed bounties of plants we give them, even when edible is still extremely low quality and would be thrown out by most Americans. 8:54 This is wholeheartedly dishonest. The majority of feed is again, human inedible. By saying (insert percent) is used by animals ignoring that these parts are low quality, not fit for human consumption as if they have dedicated plots of soybeans with signs declaring them animal only. No, eating leafs won't bring us harmoniously with nature all it will do is give you nutritional deficiencies. The problem has, and always will be burning fossil fuels. This video is an anti-human reductionist smear campaign.

[@chimp09]

1-2: Then why is the amount of methane in the atmosphere going up? It has been stable at aroung 600 ppb and is now 3 times as much. The dishonest one here is you. Cattle eat the inedible part, but most of the edible part as well. For example the "77% of all soy is cosnumed by farm animals" is for soyBEANS. Not all of the soy.

[@SteversChed]

@@chimp09 Conveniently forgetting methane gets more abundant as the climate gradually changes... Proof of this is in ice cores. You're making things up again. Soybeans aren't fed directly to cattle because the oil hinders their digestion of fiber. They are first processed and the waste of that processing is then given to cattle. Thanks for proving you would rather make things up than use facts you don't like. Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it?

[@infernogear571]

"The reality is,well,its complicated. " Kurzgesagt explained life in a nutshell.

[@OfficiallyRonny]

I got quality documentaries on my channel🙂

[@cranebol5831]

@@OfficiallyRonny Ok Spammer

[@WhiteThumbs]

Speaking about complicated, lab grown meat was never mentioned

[@hankidyhank]

Start of the video: “it’s complicated” End of the video: beef is stupid bad for the environment on all counts

[@enriquesuarez7113]

but it wasn't though. The reality ended up being that they are right and meat is bad for enviroment

[@DarrenSwanson]

"No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day and never gets old." Tell that to teenage me.

[@-dale2051]

Do you still do it with someone? If you got that someone.

[@ddandymann]

@@-dale2051 I think what they're talking about doesn't require any someone's other than themselves.

[@anonymousanonymous9587]

A male right?

[@-dale2051]

@@ddandymann I know that, but I want to know if maybe he has someone he can do it with now. And if yes, does he do it multiple times a day like before.

[@cerridianempire1653]

@@anonymousanonymous9587 can be anyone dude even girls

[@webe3228]

Instructions unclear: I am now a persistence hunter in east Africa and creating 0 carbon footprint

[@justaguy1304]

“No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day, and never gets old” oh I beg to differ

[@katherineex]

seeexxx 😁

[@skzanarchist]

"The more the animals suffer the better they are for the environment" so dark I can't see my hands

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Definitely raises some dark questions about what we do

[@royhuang9715]

Don’t eat/waste so much meat solves both problems. Or just reduce human population by half. Most problems are solved.

[@__educerq07__18]

guys I found thanos

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

@@royhuang9715 waste of a huge issue

[@violet-trash]

Same for developed vs developing countries. It applies to humans too.

[@cwmoo]

I worked in the beef industry for several years and heavily researched the carbon impact of beef. I largely agree with the conclusion of this video. The biggest problem with beef production is a matter of scale. Scaling up production is "efficient" in terms of dollars and profit, but comes at the cost of slash and burn land clearing, intensive monocrop animal feed agriculture, extreme water use and water pollution, and greenhouse gas emissions. Beef absolutely can be raised in an environmentally friendly and low emissions way, but the maximum amount that can be produced without serious negative externalities is less than 20% of current beef consumption. Worldwide, there is not much land that has the correct soil and climate to be good at raising beef, but in a way that does not negatively affect the biodiversity of the environment. Basically only semi-arid grasslands that have historically supported large populations of bison or other migratory grass eating animals.

[@cwmoo]

^ and it goes without saying that if production is reduced, the price of beef will skyrocket. The current price of beef that US consumers are used to makes no sense because it completely ignores greenhouse gas emissions and environmental destruction. And the price is artificially lowered by subsidies on water, fossil fuels, and farmland that go into producing feed for industrial beef operations.

[@thelonespeaker]

I kind of didn’t get the point about local-beef pollution. He compared boat shipping of avocados with truck-transportation of beef but don’t avocados need to be taken to our local grocery store also? Also avocados need to be taken to the boat somehow, and the comparison wasn’t nutrient-wise so hard to tell

[@cwmoo]

@@thelonespeaker I think that part of the video was overly confusing and unnecessary. Beef transport is a rounding error compared to the rest of the emissions from the beef industry. And it will be largely solved when countries electrify the rest of their transport infrastructure. I think the point was to show that "buy local" doesn't automatically win - low emissions food shipped 1000 miles is still better than high emissions food shipped 10 miles.

[@alexandrebeaudry8377]

Thanks for the comments. I was also wondering how hunting is impacting. I could imagine reforestation would be a sustainable source but then again this need a lot of land to feed a family. And I was wondering too if the Bison were emitting the same amount.

[@razenburn]

I feel this comment is a nice additional to the video

[@ariaoka]

I watch your videos at home and school for information about things. My teacher says its very useful for my Country Championship. Lets hope it works... 🤞

[@gettingnew500]

but it is billgates agenda.. dont you know?

[@gettingnew500]

Upgrade from me, sorry I am pasting: Methane caused by methanogenesis caused by cows, is generated by microbes and by low oxygen in the surrounding area. In cows ruminates there is no oxygen. BUT: cows are carbon! neutral! like every metabolism. this is just the carbon cycle. crude oli never reaches this. we use billions of gallons a day, says Statista. the sewage, the digestion under the town, is full of methane, caused by vegan human planteater. We can not digest fiber. And fiber cause methanogenesis. Meateaters won't cause methanogenesis, in meat is no fiber. (we use meat and animal fat, milk, cheese for energy, energy means CO2 /O2 excange = no methanogenesis is possible) Eat more grass finished meat. Stop corn finished meat. .. Corn-fed animals taste better (see popcorn) and are unhealthier (Omega6 Omega 3 ratio and so on) .. Petroleum not only adds carbon, petroleum, natural gas, coal also adds heat. 11kW per liter of oil. This heat is the stored energy in the fossil fuels. This is possible thanks to the energy of the earth pressure and the energy of the geothermal energy in the deep layers, which could convert the fossil and plant layers into our beloved oil, natural gas and coal rock. Below the clouds, the atmosphere warms up when we burn oil and natural gas, coal. Especially good on cold days when it is cloudy and cold at the same time. These are heat bubbles that move on and then spread out ... Sewer gas, landfill gas, sewage treatment gas, look it up. ... 😁And vegans cause more toilet paper, toilet paper causes more methane in the wastewater. Totally undigested cellulose, digested by microbes to produce methane. There is almost no oxygen under the city, because CO2 in the air is heavier than oxygen. No oxygen means methanogenesis, caused by human planteaters. I love meat, grass finished meat, cheese, milk, butter, really fill up. 👍animal dung extensively helps the world to regenerate animal dung = 🦠🦗🐜🦟🕷️🐌 = 🦎🐁🦇🦦🦨🦆🦉🦅 = a good world no field can do that. 😁💁

[@ThisPersonOverHere]

Recently, in Australia, a genus of native seaweed was found to actually negate cow methane production by about 95%! Apparently, it also makes the cow grow a little bit faster as well. So potentially we could have our beef and eat it too.

[@Sara3346]

I'm not convinced that the soy and corn industries would let that happen, there's a lot of money to be made selling animal feed my friend.

[@seanoneil8137]

Can you link the article? I'd love to read about this!

[@ThisPersonOverHere]

@@Sara3346 From my understanding, the seaweed is simply added to the diet of the cows, and kills a parasitic methane-producing bacteria in the cow's stomach that feeds off what the cow eats. So the cow eats the same amount of feed, gets more nutrients from it and grows a little bit faster; all without producing much methane. 😀 Don't take my word for it though. There are plenty of articles out there.

[@Sara3346]

@@ThisPersonOverHere Ah that makes more sense I will have to research this more!

[@LoveLostForever98]

I was surprised that the environmental repercussions of eating fish wasn’t discussed also. I’m genuinely curious!

[@jamesbyrne3033]

I'm sure they'll do a video on that. If you don't want to wait, there's a documentary on Netflix called 'Seaspiracy' that discusses the topic in detail.

[@bjrnvindabildtrup9337]

Damn, that's so true.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@jamesbyrne3033 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.

[@jamesbyrne3033]

@@janieswanson2549 Hi Janie, could you tell me what products you think I'm using that might have animal products in them. I'm pretty careful to avoid all animal products when making all of my purchasing decision but if you think I've missed something I'd be grateful if you'd let me know. Perhaps you could also let me know how you avoid the same products? Thanks.

[@connorgrace2480]

i do know fish is very complicated environmentally, as it is the most efficient to farm meat, but it causes huge habitat destruction on limited habitat, so i want to hear a video too!!!

[@TheRealCeeJai]

I know this is far from their point, but man, what I would give to play an RTS or strategy game with the art style of Kurzgesagt. Been watching these videos for years now and the graphics always look clean, fresh, and new. One of the best art teams on the planet, hands down.

[@triopical6884]

Hello lets play digger online or among us

[@alex.quiniou]

Here you go : Planetary Annihilation: TITANS

[@doopdacoop4054]

A multiplayer strategy game about micro-managing the biggest parts of a country, while also caring for climate change and your people’s health, and managing diplomacy with other nations, all in the kurzegezagt style sounds awesome, sort of like the civ6 dlcs DLCs but more in-depth into the added mechanics and less about expansion and such, I’d play the shit out of this

[@parisix78]

A game called Polytopia looks kinda like it if you want

[@JCW7100]

100% right

[@Kodunkion]

There's a lot of cherry picking going on that people aren't picking up on... They talked about how all land used for grazing isn't necessarily suitable for other uses, but don't mention that feed used in animals isn't necessarily edible for humans?... The reason why I ask this is that animals have always been and will always be better than humans at processing raw foot materials because they have entire bodily systems to do so for them, whereas us humans literally just use fire. Let's not mention the lack of in depth look into how veggie patties may affect us compared to meat patties. I'll stick to eating a piece of a cow anyday than stuff something as heavily processed as a beyond meat patty.

[@masterzzz1266]

The land used for grazing can be used for human agriculture

[@masterzzz1266]

Your point about beyond meat is right however the patty is getting less and less processed

[@SteversChed]

@@masterzzz1266 Grazing land is usually incapable of growing cash crops. So unless you enjoy eating hay...

[@xtremeyoylecake]

FINALLY! I’m not the only one who sensed bias in the video

[@parkpeteraba]

Epic video! ❤ hey kurgastonk did you read the new jjk chapter?

[@user-xi6by2we2i]

For all those asking why they didn't cover artificially produced meat - it's because it doesn't exist on a commercial scale yet. Nobody has managed to scale artificial meat production (as opposed to meat substitutes) to a scale where it's capable of being part of the solution. If it turns out to be possible to produce artificial meat cheaply en-masse then that would be great, but you can't rely on a technology that nobody has yet proved works (and is economically viable) on a large scale, and nobody is capable of predicting whether technology that doesn't currently exist might exist in the future. It's the same reason why nobody is going to suggest humanity will depend on nuclear fusion in a video on future energy - it'd be great if it became feasible, but nobody knows whether it ever will.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@vashsunglasses Wtf are you talking about? Calories is literally just a measure of energy. ''processed garbage'' has energy, and so does artificial meat.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

I'm asking why the did all their calculations based on beef when it's not representative of all meat production.

[@movement2contact]

en masse (ɒn mæs) ADVERB If a group of people do something en masse, they do it all together and at the same time. The people marched en masse. ...the arrival en masse of the Latin American delegates. Synonyms: all together, together, as one, as a whole

[@jakehildebrand1824]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 theres such a thing as an empty calorie. Yes it's energy, but unlike a regular calorie, its energy that the body can't use.

[@jakehildebrand1824]

Artificial meat is not meat. *REAL* men eat *REAL* meat.

[@APG19912009]

“Well…it’s complicated.” That should be Kurzgesagt’s motto lol 😆

[@Diode5]

It's a good starting point. In a world where on social media people boil down arguments into simplistic memes and slogans, people need to spend the time to understand many of the issues we discuss have lots of nuance and detail. Kurzgesagt does a great job of exposing those key talking points.

[@TheDalekGod]

I would buy it if it was on a shirt

[@SgtCarter69]

Well...to be honest, they're being dutiful and people that K.I.S.S. mostly show a P.robably I.ncorrect S.cientific S.crutinization of their proofs & arguments. If real life wasn't so complicated, "dumb" isn't a word that would have to be used as much and we would know better than to think emotionally about objective problems.

[@kepler4739]

Merch idea

[@michalodler3567]

They need to dumb down these complex topics to make them palatable for the generic YT audience, that's what popsci channels are about. At least they are honest and do a shitton of research/consulting on their end.

[@KuboF]

Great video ❤ What about doing a follow up about cultivated meat?

[@ALucas73]

The carbon footprint on Lamb from New Zealand sold in the UK including the travel was still less than UK Lamb, a few years ago. Farming emissions vary from country to country. We've been told New Zealand with 5million population grows food that feeds 40million people, but the carbon footprint stays with NZ, I don't think that's fair. NZ has more carbon efficient farming and it's getting more efficient by the year.

[@DrPeppa]

I swear the thumbnail was a happy cow and not an evil one when this video came out lol. By the way, awesome video as always. I know ya'll bust your butts to research and edit these things. We're very grateful!

[@imvine]

It's still a happy cow on the german vid

[@smacznytost9968]

Yeah , at first it was "Meat love" and they changed it to "Meat hate"

[@LucasGHSilva]

Yep! Same observation here, the thumbnail changed, and the videos are awesome.

[@MGlBlaze]

It definitely got changed.

[@SleepAddictBoy]

i wondet why they changed it...

[@TheFriendlyFoxyChannel]

I'd personally be interested in hearing more about this new grown meat scientists have come up with. Not so much how it's done, but if it's actually better overall

[@basedamogus]

fart

[@Meggobro]

I did a life cycle analysis on this for college. The lab grown beef still has a worse environmental impact than chicken due to the amount of energy it takes. Now, it uses less of the grains that chickens use for food, and it would be a solid option if the energy was gained from sustainable sources. It's just that at the moment, the electrical infrastructure isn't there in most places.

[@therealsick1]

depends what you mean by better, if you mean price, last time I checked it was 18 000 dollars a pound

[@UrMom_says]

Gross. We need to stop relying on scientists playing God to survive

[@skalle1448]

@@UrMom_says Agreed. Let us revert to our base animal instincts and hunter-gatherer cultures

[@yogiyoda]

This video is amazing! Well done! Incredible and fun way to communicate a very complicated topic

[@xtremeyoylecake]

It’s very biased and one sided

[@yogiyoda]

@@xtremeyoylecake - No, you are just gullible and believed someone without proper evidence

[@Djdavidnyan]

Interesting video, I find the info pretty useful!

[@gettingnew500]

"..For Kurzgesagt sponsorships are an important part of our yearly budget, representing about 20% of our income last year. But they also can make creators nervous: There is always the suspicion that sponsorships compromise the creator. Do they sell out their influence? To be fair this certainly has happened but I assume it is the exception - especially in the education scene, which people do not typically enter to sell out (much easier fields to do that in). But it is still a fair question to ask. Since we make educational/knowledge based content - can you pay us to make something look good or bad? We have a non-trivial influence over the opinion of many people after all. So. How does Kurzgesagt do sponsorships? Usually potential sponsors get in touch with us after seeing one of our videos they particularly liked or that is related to what they do. We start a discussion about what they are looking for and whether we can work together. Kurzgesagt is mostly looking for a good fit that does not feel weird on the channel. Does the sponsor look for a video about a certain topic? Do they want a shoutout? Do they want to promote a product that would feel totally random? Have we been planning to do a video about their field anyway at some point in the future? The better the sponsor aligns with us the higher the chances are they want to work with us and vice versa. Which is also one of the reasons we want to talk first and get to know the person responsible on the other side, as well as give them a chance to get to know us. After agreeing to the ground rules and a fee we are getting into the contract work. We sign a contract that, among other things, states that Kurzgesagt has the last word on the content of the video and especially the script..." endless regrets

[@gettingnew500]

from this side: Kurzgesagt & Sponsorships on KZbin

[@davidsiretmarques3646]

I see... Sad😢

[@gettingnew500]

@@davidsiretmarques3646 so sry..

[@CM.25]

The fact that free content that is as gorgeous and jaw dropping as this exists makes me hardly doubt the amount of effort and passion that goes into these videos. Truly inspiring and incredible.

[@Innercynic]

Free? I believe kurzgesagt is a very profitable channel ;) "If you're not paying for the product, you are the product"

[@camorainbow2253]

@@Innercynic it is free,not to the people paying them but to us

[@Hr1s7i]

Okay, this comment was fun when it was written years ago for their first videos. We don't need to be reminded about this with every, single, video.

[@Innercynic]

@@camorainbow2253 If we didn't watch, they don't get paid, sooo... we do pay, just not with money.

[@ezequielmondada6427]

@@Innercynic the thing is nothing is realy free, but under that concept this is "free"

[@raushaanseychell6198]

Me: “I love how Kurzgesagt makes science understandable” Kurzgesagt: *beef stonks*

[@Mortum_Rex]

Kurzgesagt is missing the real problem, or is choosing to ignore it.That is, there is no climate issue. There is an overpopulation issue. No matter how you cut the mustard, you cannot have a sustainable planet with 7+ billion people on it. There is only one problem. There can only be one solution. What's terrible is you can't even eliminate 5+ billion people all at once. The carbon and sulfur release alone from dead human bodies makes the project about as deadly as nuclear war. It's a real dilemma. We need to stagger the body reduction to combat that effect, whilst staying ahead of climate disaster. I fear that equation is already unreachable, regardless of whether determined men with resources are willing to take on the great challenge.

[@MewPurPur]

@@Mortum_Rex If we had half the population, we'd still have to solve the same problems to fix climate. Just with twice as long deadline, but half the people working on the problem. Besides, what's your solution? Mass execution? Sure, would you like to go first? They discussed overpopulation in Africa, and they acknowledged overpopulation in a climate video, but preaching does nothing. The world isn't gonna change just like that, we need to work with what we have.

[@SenhorAlien]

@@MewPurPur but preaching does nothing... well, every problem so far is being solved by only "preaching".

[@lolk7726]

@@Mortum_Rex ayo ur spittin straight fax tho

[@iCore7Gaming]

@@Mortum_Rex there is still a climate change issue 🤦‍♂️

[@butapaul5697]

I really would like an explanation for why we don't only ship food with ships, as you mentioned it was way more energy-efficient.

[@MewPurPur]

Because they can only travel in oceans and seas, obviously? Almost all food is transported this way, unless we need to ship it faster.

[@BlueSaffireWolf5]

I'm not sure of all the reasons, but one is that we have to get it home or to the grocery store somehow if we all don't live along waterways. Another I learned is it's a balance of demand and cost efficiency.

[@Madpiggaming]

I think the big thing people are forgetting about is the actual nutrition of the food, vegi foods just don't have all the nutritions we need, and its very easy to see this when you look at a vegan that doesn't take supplements, and those supplements are that great either, I think what we should do is focus on finding a humane, low carbon meat production, amd it probably won't be beef, but chickens produce substantially less co2 and we could innovate new things to make it have even less of an impact on the environment

[@trazhie1098]

I just realized how badly I want a kurzgesagt world map...

[@MadMeeper]

They have one in their store! I bought one, looking for a frame for it cuz its SO very nice and I want it to look good on my wall hahaa

[@Neo2266.]

There is one

[@snowman_tofu8072]

"Food is aguably the best thing about being alive." Already had me and my whole attention just with that line.

[@minimcgregorminipekka7386]

ZAMM THAT SNOWMAN’s 12 😍

[@theironrubberduck]

@@minimcgregorminipekka7386 bruh

[@yourgoingtohellyoutoo1282]

@@theironrubberduck 💀

[@KairiBarnes]

fr lmao

[@toniokettner4821]

that is totally not true for me and i suspect it isn't for many other people

[@jeremygross992]

What crop can convert the scrub grass of the western US into usable nutrition like cattle ranching? None.

[@gettingnew500]

cows are unbelievable.

[@Jamieden]

9:45 ah yes, my favorite dish. Local, homegrown, 100% organic T Cells

[@Alphabunsquad]

You need to do a video on artificial sugars. It’s so hard to find information and have any confidence that it’s not been tainted by sugar lobbies promoting their sugar free products

[@gettingnew500]

Germany is good therefore, try german sides. glucose-fructose-syrup kills billion peoples.

[@iKadaj]

i've read artificial sweeteners is even worse for you than natural sugar

[@gettingnew500]

@@iKadaj yes, i heard this about the erythritol, mannitol, sorbitol, xylitol. called sugar alcohols. But you often read advertisements about them, they are just good there..

[@Alphabunsquad]

@@iKadaj I had heard that but I’ve also seen countless doctors dismiss those studies saying the results were shown in mice and were never replicated in humans. However it’s hard to say if they are informed by studies tainted by sugar lobbies and they are in their pockets directly or don’t realize themselves that the places they are getting the information from is tainted

[@samuelallanviolin752]

@@Alphabunsquad I don't know about how good that argument is in isolation - while animal studies provide weak evidence it is enough to warrant counter-evidence to establish safety (both my parents are doctors and they actually have different opinions on some such topics, but both agree for example that Temple University's rapeseed oil study was concerning)

[@pdxmusl1510]

Thanks for touching on the transportation problem. I hear that argument a lot. The whole buy local gripe. I did research on that myself years ago. Depending upon how local stuff is distributed, there are efficient ways of doing it, but the common farmers market is so bad you might as well put your grapes or lettuce on a private airplane and send it to the other side of the planet. Its stupifyingly bad. Transportation of food across the globe is insanely efficient.

[@bethgodley2930]

Is that not true for all foods though? Getting it from the farm to the port or to the local shops after it has been transported by sea must still be pretty inefficient? I didnt really get this part in the video, they seemed to miss it out entirely for the avocados and just talk about shipping emissions?

[@Tommy50377]

@@bethgodley2930 I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, it's incredibly efficient to send things by sea. But the fact of the matter is if you replaced those avocados with beef, it'd be the exact same amount. And the journey of plants doesn't end at the harbor. They're immediately unloaded from the ships and into trucks, which then take it inland to wherever. Sure, if you grow the produce on the shoreline, load it into a ship, and have someone eat it literally as soon as it gets off the ship, then it's more efficient. But at the end of the day, after traveling by boat, all produce has to move just as far, if not farther then it would if farmed locally.

[@etiennedud]

But havn't the food shipped across the globe the same problem for the last kilometers ? Or is it that because all food transport have the same probleme at the end, the efficiency of ship transport make this part not even worth considering ?

[@autokrator_]

Yeah, that’s the spirit! Local, independent farmers who don’t have access to 80,000 ton freighters should go sod themselves; how DARE they try to make a living by hauling their goods to local markets with the vehicles they have available?! We should get all our food from multi-national, multibillion dollar agri-corporations instead! The audacity of those yokels!

[@QuokkaWaka]

@@etiennedud The point is that destroying the global food market to save a tiny fraction of emmisions isn't worth it

[@multipoep5]

Question, the long transport in ships may be efficient, but corps aren't grown and consumed in a harbour. Doesn't trasport to and from the harbours and distribution centres and then more local transport to supermarkets add up to more CO2 than just locally produced foods?

[@janieswanson2549]

No corps are grown and consumed in a harbor. People don't eat corps. Corps aren't food. Define "trasport."

[@apoorhorseabusedbycenk]

@@janieswanson2549 Crops, it was a typo. ChungusMcYeetus is correct, locally bought would use less since for me getting something like US avocados would need a truck to travel 100 to 800km and another 300km for me to buy it from the store. Meanwhile beef for me would only have to travel 45-60km at the very most.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@apoorhorseabusedbycenk I know...

[@mathewthomas6694]

So far, I've learned that flying a cow is worse than flying an airplane, and I can put grass fed on anything despite it not being grass fed. I'm going to use a grass fed keyboard to type this and there is physically nothing you can do to tstop me.

[@BoboTMC]

you guys should make a video on fish and the effects of the fishing industry on climate change

[@shukrantpatil]

fishing industry seems to be moderately climate friendly I think .

[@juvef6075]

Focused on Europe, because there's the strongest impact and all the horrible stuff really

[@sintanan469]

In the US Northwest. The fishing industry is broken. The waters are vastly overfished, and the current regulations focus on taking the exact maximum we can from the water which prevents populations from growing. Then you add in illegal fishing from foreign countries to fuel the fishing industry and all of a sudden that very careful balance act is now decreasing populations. Add in the focus on larger fish meaning smaller fish survive to breed, meaning future generations are on average smaller. Smaller and fewer predator fish mean marine mammals like otters and sea lions shift to eating more shellfish, which is what young predator fish rely on in their youth, resulting in mor problems. As a fisherman, I hate to admit it, but the fishing industry needs to shut out wild caught fish for probably 30-40 years and focus on farming shellfish, kelp, and algae to allow fish populations to stabilize and flourish and repair aquatic biomes. But, you can't shake the dislike of fish farming. Hell, my neighbor has a sign that says "Friends don't let friends eat farmed fish."

[@tarahasouna4208]

I totally agree

[@tarjeiaksnes5418]

Was litteraly just going to comment this. It is such an overlooked part of pollution and climate change.

[@rayankarakani]

Rational, not patronizing, and providing good data that can be analyzed in a useful way. That's a good way to present and debate a topic. Really did a good job with this one.

[@daylinhesford3116]

If you eat to much meat you'll get mercury poisoning

[@tibfulv]

Misleading, though. Getting rid of the bacteria actually responsible for producing methane wasn't mentioned, though we've known this for twenty years. Just promotion of the unhealthy vegan lifestyle.

[@Chepperz]

@@tibfulv unhealthy according to whom? It's scientific consensus that it's an excellent diet when adequately planned.

[@fredrikchristmansson3700]

@@Chepperz roflmao no it isnt. Quite the opposite. The general scientific consensus is vegan diet is bad for you in the long run. We aren't made to be vegan. Nice propaganda attempt. Busted.

[@bigmouth9602]

@@fredrikchristmansson3700 there's like 1000 million recognized studies explaining veganism is as good as a non-vegan diet, maybe even better. Do you also believe the virus was created by politicians and helps them track us? lmao

[@johnbaxter5358]

hey how did the avocados get on the ships? I guess those trucks weren't local or something.

[@immortalsun]

The real problem is corporations, not us. Even if most of us ate no meat at all, we’d still have insane carbon emissions. Saving our planet starts with enacting legislation to limit corporations and fossil fuels.

[@triger1]

but its us who is the problem with mindless animal abuse and consooooming.

[@mattman3960]

@@triger1 if you, tomorrow, decide to personally stop eating meat forever, on the grand scheme of things, absolutely nothing will change. There would need to be entire countries, entire markets doing it AT ONCE to have any kind of effect, which just won't happen

[@hawk8898]

"No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day" You underestimate me

[@gettingnew500]

yes hawk, flying is the best

[@spoopyscaryskelebones3846]

@@gettingnew500 hehe :>

[@joger3562]

🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

😏

[@Agemo5]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think of this

[@danielochoa4905]

I like how they explained why people are hesitant to give up their meat eating. It was very even handed and empathetic.

[@cristiansantander4003]

It really is part of our culture. Most of us (if not everyone) grew eating meat just like any other food, it's hard to see what's wrong with it cause we're actually attached to it. An even debate comes from a mutual understanding of both stands and context, so yeah I totally appreciate them adding it

[@ZeoWorks]

Absolutely, they did a great job! It's a shame we can't see the dislike ratio. I'm curious how well empathy affects public viewing of the video.

[@tranpaul4550]

@@ZeoWorks 286k like and 8.4k dislike, so it is good response?

[@sarathyiisc]

@@ZeoWorks Use the extension

[@dariusalexandru9536]

@@cristiansantander4003 and is healthy to include meat in your diet

[@DDNZ]

Ecologically there needs to be dung beetles taking the dung back into the earth. There are successful breeding programs in New Zealand and the impact on the soil is often profound.

[@gravedigr12]

im glad you brought up the damage being caused for soy so many people glance over that like it doesnt exist

[@Alinax99]

The soy problem is avoided by many because it is related to the consumption of meat and animal derivatives and people don't care

[@TaylursTikTok]

"No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times every day, and never gets old." ... I can think of another..

[@moscanaveia]

About not getting old, I have some news for you

[@Joyddep]

There is another

[@tostupidforname]

@@moscanaveia not everyone can be gifted

[@realmless4193]

Breathing? Drinking? They aren't as pleasurable I'll tell you. The other one? It won't be enjoyed multiple times a day every day, and it gets about as old as you are near the end of life. This videos statement is very accurate.

[@nandornagy5955]

Bonk

[@Badpoison1]

Kurzgesagt: "no other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times everyday and never gets old" Teenage boys: ...

[@markuslemerise5812]

I was just thinking that

[@scrublord3376]

i am the milk man my milk is delicious

[@neosynthetica]

it does get old. Trust me

[@noobychoco454]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@ishworshrestha3559]

Kk

[@divy-rya]

7:20 got me laughing the bird said, "could this title be any longer?"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣!

[@ErinCollective]

this thumbnail is wild, a cow with hearts in its eyes? cows don't eat meat. a cow with terror in its eyes would fit.

[@icecolda-grader6466]

Kurzgesagt never disappoints with the quality of the animation and the importance of the topics they choose!

[@Flora-wo2hc]

true, they aren't that good about the quality of information though

[@harmonic5107]

@@Flora-wo2hc how so?

[@infernogear571]

Yeah their point of information is strict to topic. Which makes it interesting to hear.

[@mr.jasiscreldo]

@@Flora-wo2hc Could u elaborate?

[@Flora-wo2hc]

@@harmonic5107 for example, for the video to make sense one have to assume that global warming due to human activity is a real thing... and is not

[@castilater]

9:21 - Wait, the comparison here seems a bit skewed. The land would save 800 bil. tons of CO2 *over 100 years,* and we emit 50 bil. tons *per year.* So wouldn't that mean we'd emit 5 trillion tons of CO2 over the same period of 100 years (50 bil. x 100 = 5,000 bil or 5 tril.)? If so, then all this land is only sequestering... 16% of our total emissions over the same period of time? It's a significant amount, for sure, but the graphic makes it look more like this one major change would fix the problem by itself. All of ^this being said, I'm not saying this is a bad idea, by any stretch. I recognize that tackling the climate crisis means have to implement a wide array of changes/fixes, and there isn't going to be one single thing that magically solves all our problems. Incremental steps like a 1/6th reduction in emissions are still really good! My comment here is more strictly about the implication made by the one graphic, rather than aiming to be a takedown of the entire video.

[@sacredplanet8589]

I think the reason they chose to make that comparison is that our annual emissions are pretty variable and ideally we will emit less CO2 each year (although currently going the wrong direction).

[@QQQQQAQQQQQ]

Yes unless i misunderstood something that comparison was very misleading.

[@Foroi_]

Believe the 800 bil is excluded the emissions saved by not farming on the land and solely the capacity of vegetation to collect CO2 meaning it would have quite a big impact

[@adamkiraly7866]

Thank you for pointing this out!

[@aloosh1375]

But our CO2 emissions would decrease also in conjunction with a vegan diet. (I'm not vegan though so I guess I don't have any rights to say that).

[@user-kd9wh9pd8j]

There seems to be a logical flaw in the reasoning in the last part of the video regarding the vegan diet: as stated at the beginning of the video, a kilo of potatoes will feed a person for less time than a kilo of meat. So to replace all the meat in the diet, would we still need to plant replacement plants? This is not quite getting rid of half of the problems, maybe a third, a quarter, but not half. And we will still need to use plant parts that are inedible to humans

[@hahansamwich]

I'm a MSc student in Resilient Farming and Food Systems (BSc in Animal Sciences), happy to say the content of this video matches the many papers and lectures I have read. Although, I am starting to realize that this video is already a bit outdated in some details! Things are moving quickly... Would be interested to see a follow-up that takes into consideration things like the EAT Lancet Planetary Diet, discussion over the applications of Life Cycle Assessment, and protein equivalents in comparing between species. Something else at play here is also the three narratives around environmental solutions: production narrative, consumption narrative, and circular narrative. I also wish this video incorporated more detail about local as well. In my opinion, "local" was simplified here to emissions. A focus on emissions isn't what brings about the social change. Crafting local food systems is a major part of creating more mindful people with healthy habits and stable communities. That is definitely where the consumption narrative to eat less meat and have a healthy relationship with food starts. A bit bummed that those aspects could easily be disregarded in lieu of "comparatively high" emissions. Of course, on a ship that carries millions of kgs of freight, emissions per product (or kg) will be lower. Doesn't really change the fact that the ship still guzzles all that fossil fuel regardless. Hence, why I would like to see an expansion on the application of the Life Cycle Assessment. However, in the context of a video that will reach millions, I understand a conclusion leaning toward vegan/vegetarian -- it's a (easy) step to already reduce. But be aware that a little bit of meat in the diet is very well known to have less of an emissions impact than a vegan diet, when that meat is from animals that have up-cycled marginal lands and recycled our food waste.

[@alexb3648]

I'd like to see a video about farming practices in general. From hydroponics, to farm land with fertilizers, to no-till organic living soil. As well as the implications and viability of the various approaches. Where is humanity headed in that respect?

[@randomcallum]

death eventually at some point regardless of how green we go we need to expand out of the planet at some point or the human race will go extinct and nothing will ever know it or this planet ever existed

[@ThiefOfNavarre]

That would be an interesting video

[@thetexasbuttholeticklingba5770]

​@@randomcallum We don't deserve to expand until we learn to stop torturing and killing people and animals. Also, fixing this planet would be a lot easier than moving to another one. Taking everyone away on millions of rocket ships seems unlikely. We would also need to change the climate on the planet we plan to move to. It would be a lot easier to positively change the climate on our own planet, which is already almost perfect.

[@marianocolsin8968]

@@thetexasbuttholeticklingba5770 in reality, when we talk about "going to other planets" we talk about found a planet suitable for human life, colonize it and let the human species trive there while the rest of it dies in the earth

[@PinataOblongata]

@@thetexasbuttholeticklingba5770 Torturing yes, killing, no. A quick and painless death for an animal that wouldn't even exist, were it not for being farmed, and which would likely not get such a calm demise in the wild, is morally fine. Horrible conditions and panicked or painful slaughter methods are obviously amoral and need to end, though (which will likely necessitate everyone eating less meat and paying higher prices for it). I agree we need to focus on the home we evolved for, but it's not actually a zero-sum game - we could be learning the best way to expand and starting the process while also enacting what we need to do to save the Earth from ourselves.

[@jhunt5578]

Good job with an honest take on the issue. Even cop26 left out the huge issue with food

[@oasntet]

cop26 was a fig leaf, an embarrassing attempt to convince the public that the powers that be are definitely doing something about this whole climate problem.

[@molamola8305]

Cop 26 was a huge clownfest, just a blame game between developed and developing nations.Our doom is already decided, nothing can be done, climate change will just become a huge geopolitical tool to gain power and influence in modern world with nothing being done actually about it.Human greed will triumph over mother nature.

[@JasunGs]

I @@oasntet

[@Lax512]

Kurzgesagt is always great with showing reality and the true problems

[@reggiep75]

COP26 was a COP OUT with all the grime and filth of the fossil fuel industry hidden behind feel good namby-pamby rubbish!

[@GalliadII]

global food surply is mainly a logistical problem. we produce enough food atm to feed 12 billion people. With a population of 8 billion, this means 33% of our agricultural potential is completely wasted. and if I calculate correctly, getting this logistical problem under control, would yield in about as much land saved as a fully vegitarian diet for all of us. and all that with just a bit more planning and predictability. if you could know what and how much food you will probably need, add 20% to everything and then plan global production around that, you could do a lot and with a lot less complaint from people.

[@amp4105]

the crop land used to feed factory farmed animals would end world hunger and feed the entire planet 3x over

[@janieswanson2549]

@@amp4105 You're making things up.

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

As a gaucho, meat is one of the most important parts of my culture

[@BenTheCuber]

culture doesn't justify anything. slavery is a part of some cultures. human sacrifice is a part of some cultures. stop denying science and using your culture to justify something.

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

@@BenTheCuber bruh, what a straw man.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@BenTheCuber Appeal to emotions by comparing livestock to humans. Stop being logically fallacious. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it Danny?

[@frankmedrisch7451]

I am from argentina i can tell my culture to go to hell if it will destroy the planet and create suffering

[@frankmedrisch7451]

@@BenTheCuber always remember: whether someone is or not a hypocrite is irrelevant to the discussion of whether humans should or should not eat animal products. Go vegan 🌱 💪🏻

[@Charles-hq7ce]

I find potatoes to be my favorite plant to eat. You can cook them in dozens of ways, they contain most of the nutrients vital to our diet, and can easily have flavor added to them with spices and salts. Try them mashed with cheese, onion/onion powder, and a little bit of salt. Youll be shocked at how quick a bland food can be tasty as hell.

[@Charles-hq7ce]

Or in the words of samwise gamgee: "PO-TAY-TOS Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew!"

[@MrBeefyweefs]

Interesting! I've never heard anyone say that the humble, tasty spud contains "most of the nutrients vital to our diet" before!

[@MultiJeje12345]

Guy, potatoes drain all the flavours from everything. Especially mash.

[@MrZxcvbnm22]

yeah, especially besides a good portion of meat.

[@MyPhuckDub]

@@MrZxcvbnm22 steak oh mai

[@icebird8575]

“The reality… well… it’s complicated” Even out of context, this is true

[@gettingnew500]

the only true words in this vid🤷🏼, i think, i love this words.

[@gettingnew500]

@@lordoa bill donated to kurzgesagt.

[@MewPurPur]

@@gettingnew500 They said they'll stop doing sponsors for climate vids just because of how conspiracy-like people like you are with Bill. (Ur in denial yup!)

[@gettingnew500]

your answer is to complicate for me, am german.. google can not translate your shorts.. sry

[@gettingnew500]

@@MewPurPur bill donated in 2015, 49 months long, total 570.000 but thats not a huge sum, to me, it is just a friendship gift.. In between, there is a video of Kurzgesagt that Bill has commissioned about the climate and such, on his page, you cannot link it here and the subscribers / followers haven't seen it. The same arguments as here at MeatHate, nearly. bill and kurzgesagt's CEO love each other. And 'u?

[@connorpencek6838]

Well Ch4 (Methane) is 1 carbon and 4 hydrogen. Cows don't make this carbon, they eat it. The problem is that we have so many cows that the methane produced so a lot. Also, the corn we eat comes with corn husks, oats have shells, and soybeans have stems. All of which you can't eat. Most of the human food is unable to be eaten, but cows can. Also, it's 2/3 of land is unable to be farmable. Cows can use that land and the human food we can't eat to make food we can eat. While going meat free for one day can help our climate, many people tend to exaggerate the number like "by not eating meat for one day, you can save 6 months worth of Co2" (yes someone said this). Over all, I think that this video was good and highlighted points people needed to hear like animal cruelty and Co2 emissions caused by meat. It's so much easier to transport plants because they can stay good for longer.

[@miguel5785]

9:00 Such a strange sentence. Of course land without food crops is not ecologically useless! And it's not just because WE can use it to capture carbon, but because letting land to wild nature or letting it rewild fosters biodiversity and, yes, ultimately also provides ecological services to us (which is all that matters apparently)

[@Silmerano]

Would of liked to have seen some kind of discussion or acknowledgement about how much of different types of food are wasted and sent to the dump and their effect on CO2 emission. I know grocery stores don't sell all their meat or produce for example and have been caught throwing away massive amounts of food and then there are restaurants to consider as well and household waste.

[@WapitalismandWreedom]

saying they get caught implies they're doing something wrong. the reason they do that is because the government will fuck them if they give out food that makes people sick.

[@jay-tbl]

​@@WapitalismandWreedom not just bad food, just vegetables that are bruised or look weird are thrown out. though that's also the consumer's fault for refusing to pick vegetables that are perfectly edible and healthy but just look weird

[@Silmerano]

@@WapitalismandWreedom They could give the food away before it expires but our society has this fucked up system where it is better to throw away food to preserve profit. Not just food though billions possibly even trillions in all goods are destroyed every year. There is SO much waste in our economy. I can't imagine what the environmental impact of that is.

[@Adam-ug7zn]

@@WapitalismandWreedom The government can easily introduce policy that says "you can not sue for donating unsold food". France did it in 2016. The real problem is the suing culture in certain countries.

[@Boosted9946]

@@Silmerano It's called Capitalism.

[@DryPsylocibin]

"You can decide for yourself what you want to do with this information." This is why I respect this channel. In the end the biggest difference can be made through education. People need to buy in to a choice to turn things around. And no matter how much you may disagree with dissenting voices or how much the research contradicts them, they are a necessity. Some ideas that were radical and shunned in the past have proved to be important. For as much ignorance, conspiracy theories and blatant political propaganda there is out there, having a world in which that can exist is more important than one where we weed it all out under the pretense of knowing the absolute truth. This channel informs and then invites you to research and form your own opinion, it doesn't tell you what you ought to believe. To truly believe something, you have to arrive at it yourself to some extent. Good work.

[@matijakovacic1730]

You can decide for yourself what you want to do with this cherrypicked information. Ok, thanks.

[@CookieCrisp97]

Climate policies will decide for you when meat is banned

[@Lolthegameyoulostit]

Pee

[@maximumbeans9310]

@@matijakovacic1730 It isn’t cherrypicked, it specifically answers the question posed in the video with named sources you can check for yourself. You sound angry that you now have to acknowledge the objective damage that human agriculture brings, as we all should.

[@thesaxiest4480]

@@matijakovacic1730 I guess somebody likes meat in their mouth LOL

[@Troublesome_0]

As someone who has went vegan and vegitarian in there life. I can say from my experiance that it was fairly difficult to get the correct amount of vitamins such as iron or zinc from plants alone. I became very iron deficiant in just a year of being vegan because I didn't realize I needed to take iron pills to keep up. I don't know if I just simply didn't have the money or resources to get the proper vegitables to help my iron levels in my diet or what. But it was incredibly difficult to do so, for me. I think a good balance between the occasional meat intake and vegitables/fruits is the best course of action for myself. If you can go fill vegan and sustain yourself on that, power to you! But keep in mind some people simply don't have the resources to be able to do this as a life style without risking there own health.

[@MikyD406]

"Could that title BE any longer?" ... Loved that

[@Ash_6614]

"no other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times a day and never gets old" Not with that attitude lol

[@small_SHOT]

ΔΔΔ

[@foxboy6662]

Sam from Half as Interesting: "biphasic sleep"

[@anthonyisensee]

Here for this comment xD

[@SeanFerree]

😁😁😁😁

[@Ash_6614]

since when do i have 233 likes what happened

[@minecraftiangenetics]

Another great video, but I'm a bit confused about the part at 9:35 The top bar shows the proposed 800 billion tons of CO2 that could be removed by 3 billion hectares of reclaimed/spared land over the course of ONE HUNDRED years. The bottom bar, however, shows the amount of CO2 equivalent emissions emitted by humanity over the course of ONE year. I don't understand the choice to show these bars side-by-side without adjusting one of them to match the timeframe of the other. 800 billion tons of CO2 sequestered over 100 years averages out to 8 billion tons sequestered annually in that time period. While scaling either of the bars makes the positive impact of reclaimed land seem much less impressive, it's still a sizable positive impact.

[@griflot3445]

I love Kurzgesagt and this video, but I'm also confused by this. I wonder if there is just something I don't quite grasp? Also, I can't tell whether its implied that the reclaimed land would continue to reduce CO2 by 800 billion tons every 100 years or just for the first 100 years - if it's the latter, I definitely question the choice to compare billion tons per 1 year vs billion tons per 100 years.

[@Crygear]

ah thats quite a point!

[@fredericovicente3959]

Yearly human made emissions might change considerably over the next hundred years depending how quickly countries reach net zero (assuming they ever will), so you can't just extrapolate those 50 billion tons over 100 years to make a comparison under the same time frame. Those 800 billion tons of sequestered would then be much more impactful in that scenario where global emissions are dramatically reduced in the next 100 years.

[@rylandrc]

If they just showed it as 8 billion tons per year vs 50 billion tons per year, I think that would still show a significant impact. (About 17% of our emissions reclaimed!) I guess one reason is perhaps that it can take 100 years for that carbon storage to be fully realised, as it may not be a linear process for the land to revert to a natural state.

[@leonardovieira4271]

Well i guess they presented in that way because if you put 8 Billion tonnes per year and compare to the 50B tonnes emitted per year it will look very inefficient... But I don't understand what they might had feared, because that information would be about a single source of CO2 removal, it doesn't count the other sources as forests and mainly the sea. I guess they should had presented that info as contribution instead of an isolated case, it would seem much more easy to understand the concept...

[@SpaceCredits]

Grass/Cows are actually a small % of these issues grass/cows are renewed - INDUSTRY is the problem. No more propaganda. Can't believe how mislead humans get - Industry is the single biggest contributor and propaganda/power control is sourced from industry

[@gettingnew500]

possible? high-frequency radiation is melting glaciers and permafrost similar to microwaves from the inside ??

[@AlexWehe]

I have a doubt at the moment 4:46, it is said that it is more efficient to ship internationally than locally, is that true? In the end the international shipment by ship has to be taken to warehouses and for that trucks are used. 🤔

[@elmarto4726]

The comparison is between total emissions for 1kg of avocados shipped over a very long distance (one of the worst case scenarios) vs best case scenario for 1kg of beef. The point is that even if you are biased in favor of meat, you'd have to accept that plants are generally much less impactful.

[@trashgoblin1817]

I’ve always wondered why I’ve rarely heard aquaponics be brought in reference to this topic. It seems like it could really help reduce the amount of farm land needed to grow crops, reduce the usage of fertilizers, and also double for farming fish. Or maybe the power required to run these types of farms would create a large carbon foot print, or it might that the infrastructure required is to expensive to reasonably attempt. I would love to see you guys do a video on the topic! Edit: Thanks for the responses! It was really just a thought so I'm glad I got some clarification on the issues at hand. It sounds like the main take away is that while it could be a promising idea, the technology isn't there yet and that running it currently would be too costly in money, energy, and space, which is what I was afraid of. Thanks you guys for the explanation.

[@AlexDerange]

hydroponics takes more room to grow stuff tho.. it takes a lot of room to grow just 1 plant with hydroponics, you need watering system, with nutrients, as well as heating and land to put all that stuff.. it wouldn't be worth it for mass produce But for you at home, for a small garden, it is a good option

[@SPLICEKNIGHT]

Hydroponics are more ecologically bad than just general cropland due to infrastructure and energy intake

[@Valstrix]

@@AlexDerange They're talking about aquaponics, not hydroponics. Similar names, very different means. Aquaponics refers to farming IN bodies of water, such as the ocean, to grow aquatic crops or livestock - Seaweed, Fish, Mussels, and Crabs, to name a few.

[@PeteGA]

@@Valstrix Aquaponics is a system that relies on a pump to circulate water between fish and vegetables. Raising seafood in bodies of water is aquaculture.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

And as someone who lives in a conection from river to sea let me tell you. Fishing has lowered 30%, and water getsmore and more cotnaminated. Why? Increment in temperature. Just 1 centigrade more in water make fish go lower, or just go somewhere else. Also kill some plant and increment bacteria production We got ciano bacteria warning 10 years ago, then 4 years after. Now we have a warning EVERY YEAR. Bodies of water are getting less and less productive. Both fishing, tourism and usage for consumption!

[@nilaydidolkar]

Waste management of cattle farming is also a big concern for the neighbouring areas. The waste is also released into the nearby water bodies. The animals are sometimes made to live in their own waste as well.

[@pixieskitty]

and untreated animal poop is what contaminates crops and makes the e.coli outbreaks :L

[@joeschipper2593]

@@chlorhex6785 the eu are making us all buy dribble bars now instead of splash plate on slurry spreaders which has next to no smell, like u wouldnt smell it if u werent working in the field

[@joeschipper2593]

its illegal to let the slurry go into water bodies in any first world country, idk about 3rd world countries but u cant rlly blame everyone for that anyway u should already know a place like brazil is nothing like ireland or something

[@iancauematosdorea9692]

@@joeschipper2593 in brasil, at least where my grandpa has his ranch cow poop does not get used for anythging they just leave it in the field, so idrk if the contamination of the waterbodies is a big problem there

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@@iancauematosdorea9692 yeah the same here in Uruguay, there are 3 and a half cows per person so you can imagine that's a lot of shit

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Still going to eat beef