Is Modern “Speaking in Tongues” Fake? w/

[@wynternorth5254]

I'm happy for this video - thank you! I come from a Protestant background (floated between denominations) and I remember being told that if I couldn't speak in tongues then I wasn't truly "saved". That really stuck with me for a long time. I could never figure out how other ppl were speaking in tongues (the kind that doesn't sound like a real language) and I worried for a long time that something was wrong with me...caused a lot of anxiety for me. Anyway, I'm Catholic now and I don't have those worries anymore. Thanks for doing a video on this topic!

[@joshflinchbaugh5866]

There was a guy I met at work who felt the same way several months ago (haven't see him since). What his Pentecostal church was teaching didn't sit right with him about "speaking in tongues = truly saved". He took a picture of my Catechism of the Catholic Church with enthusiasm so he can buy one and read it. This reminds me to pray for his conversion to the fullness of God's Truth, thank you!

[@RunnyBabbitMom]

I went to a non-denominational church once and they had a 200 dollar class to learn to speak in tongues which showed me it's fake.

[@Hail_Full_of_Grace]

tongues is speaking a language one did not previously know , i always saw it as being how after the tower of Babel men spoke different languages and that separated those peoples but when Christ came God gave the gift of different languages to the Apostles so everyone of the world can hear the Gospel and be re-united in Him

[@ShenanigansGeek]

The last time I was this early, the Apostle Peter walked on water.

[@jperez7893]

the gift of tongues was clearly manifested by st. peter on the first sermon on pentecost. he spoke and preached and everyone present there who could hear him, heard him according to his own native language. for the same reason and the same effect is manifested by the angels and the saints, especially by the virgin mary, when they appear to someone and speak to them in their own native tongue. that is the gift of tongues

[@eucharistenjoyer]

It's just learned conditioned behavior. Here in Brazil we have some of the biggest charismatic Catholic movements handle pamphlets that teach how to do it. They do it in with the best of intentions, because they truly believe it to be a gift of God that has to be built, but by seeing these pamphlets one can clearly see that it's basic repetition to a point they begin to do it automatically whenever a fitting situation occurs. These also occur even more frequently during charismatic services, where there's lots of use of syncopated music to drive people into trances and automatic behavior.

[@fiaskolo]

Speaking in tongues is a gift of communication. Babbling nonsense is not only not a gift, but a showcase of stupidity.

[@statichawk360]

It is also a Protestant invention that was stolen by Charismatic Catholics in the 60's

[@in_defense_of_the_church]

See I would feel more inclined with your statement and I’ve heard apologists elsewhere argue similarly however im having a hard time conceptualizing this with what I’ve seen and heard at a Catholic charismatic center by both the laity and the priests.

[@statichawk360]

@@in_defense_of_the_church Yeah I mean the bottom line is that they are wrong. It's unfortunate to have this added confusion in the Church in a time of such turmoil, but we have to deal with it eventually. They are using recent (last 100 years) developments in Protestant interpretations of key verses in the bible on tongues to perpetuate this nonsense. I came out of the Charismatic movement, and famous Catholic theologians like Mary Healy are buddying up with popular Protestant Word of Faith pastors like Randy Clark, and causing this rubbish to spread like wildfire.

[@fiaskolo]

@@in_defense_of_the_church I just find it hard to believe that babbling like an idiot and losing control over your body come from the Holy Spirit. I'm more inclined to think that there are other spirits involved in this. People experience similar phenomena in eastern pagan religions (lookup 'kundalini awakening').

[@in_defense_of_the_church]

@@fiaskolo I was visited a non Catholic “service” and saw the “speaking in tongues,” the falling on the ground and shaking uncontrollably, the non stop crying, and I stood there in shock thinking this looked more like a Hollywood scene from a scary movie about being being p0ssesed. Then I visited a center that apparently the Holy See has ok’ed and has not put a stop to and I see a Holy Mass being celebrated while this all happens too. How do we say the others are wrong when we have people doing it too? This left me very uncomfortable and with many many questions. Believe me when I say I had one foot in the pew and the other halfway out the door when I was there telling God I was sorry if I had shown up somewhere where I shouldn’t be out of ignorance and curiosity 🤣

[@j0nb0y5]

I went to a joyce meyer show thing with my mom, she invited everyone to speak in tongues. It sounded like hundreds of people doing the drum roll scene from National Lampoon‘s Christmas.

[@nickw9766]

Padre Pio I thought could speak other languages he didn’t know. He was a stigmatist and a mystic I believe

[@AnyWayICan]

I can’t speak to all of it, but the limited experience I have with “speaking in tongues” was very definitely fake.

[@AC-gm6bq]

Do u sleep with your hat on?

[@catholiccom]

no comment

[@MathAdam]

@@catholiccom That would be a "YES"

[@zunir0a]

I was raised a Oneness Pentecostal and was told that tongues was a necessary part of salvation, that those who didn’t speak in tongues weren’t saved. I’ve only ever heard one instance of tongues that lines up with Scripture, and the rest has been in sheer defiance of St. Paul; a completely lawless and delirious act. Modern “tongues” have more in common with the heresy of Montanus than the genuine practice of the Apostles.

[@Beanbag777]

It’s nonsense . How come the one “gift” that everyone seems to get is the very one that can be faked or imitated “Gifts” should build up the kingdom and how does speaking gibberish do this !!!

[@timrichardson4018]

I am certain that I have received the (a) gift of tongues. The first time it happened was such an intense and intimate expericne in prayer with God. Its happened many times over the years and always seems to be a great help in prayer. That said, and despite my personal experience, I highly suspect most cases of public displays of tongues are not genuine. I would be very wary of people claiming some great importance to the gift of tongue.

[@tabandken8562]

God won't have you speak and not understand what you said. Paul actually condemned that.

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

​@@tabandken8562St. Paul didn't condemn that, he said it was necessary to have an interpreter along side the person speaking in tongues if the person was speaking publicly. Making that two gifts, first the gift of unknown tongues, second the gift of interpretation.

[@apocryphanow]

What is being described in I Corinthians 14:2?

[@haydongonzalez-dyer2727]

Neat

[@normmcinnis4102]

"tongues" is olde English for languages.

[@llamaalpaca5563]

The word language came from the french word langue that of itself has developed from the latin word Lingua meaning the tongue.

[@antezulj4453]

So the answer to the title is: the modern "tongues" are not biblical

[@EverySingleSaint]

So if I go to a praise and worship night at someone's house, and the worship leader (who is Catholic) at times begins to stutter and mumble and speak a language that does not exist that sounds like jibberish... is that "real" speaking in tongues? Was the worship leader being genuine? Real life example btw

[@PatronSaintKolbe93]

I would be extremely careful. I watch Fr. Chad R talk about this and he said that can also be a summons. I need to find that video.

[@raphmarcotte7379]

Yes i really like to see it to​@@PatronSaintKolbe93

[@statichawk360]

It's just gibberish. The worship leader is probably being genuine in that they believe it's their private prayer language. But that is an extra-biblical and I believe an extra-christian belief, which has no precedence in the church fathers either. Thomas Aquanas also said the gift was the ability to speak in an unknown earthly language in order to spread the gospel. So to put it simply, Speaking in Tongues is a real gift of the holy spirit Speaking in Tongues is not speaking gibberish

[@xthinker88]

The question partly answers itself. If it’s a “private prayer language” then why are they doing it in public. Paul said there should always be an interpreter. I grew up in Pentecostal churches. I could speak in “Private prayer language tongues.” It’s just gibberish. It’s not real. Although they believe it is. I could probably do it right now if I tried to. It’s just a bunch of nonsensical syllables strung together. When I was in RCIA I remember one person who found out my background and invited me to come to a Catholic charismatic group. I politely said no thanks. I didn’t say that I wasn’t interested because I had found truth, not the made up human doctrines that I grew up with.

[@statichawk360]

@@xthinker88 Same bro. Someone needs to put a stop to this crap being spread in Catholicism. The same goes with the name it and claim it "Faith Healing" garbage.

[@micromultiplo]

Sorry jimmy, this time I wanted some deeper explanation and examples, what's the psychological thing that may occur you in doing this kind of things if its not real...

[@tabandken8562]

If you don't understand it, and the speaker doesn't understand it, it's not real.

[@famvids9627]

I found it very interesting Jimmy that you disproved the majority of these supposed charismatic gifts. But I also find it interesting where you said that somebody could be speaking in a language that they don't understand and someone on the other side understands it. And the reason this was interesting is because this is how the pentecostal charismatic, speaking in tongue started. The first person to claim this. Charles perm actually claim that his people could speak in real Chinese, and they ended up going to China and finding out that that was not the case. And then to cover his tracks, he said it was an angelic language that couldn't be understood by anybody. And this is the nonsensical stuff that they expect us to believe.

[@markloginger2834]

Go read acts 10 please 🙏

[@tabandken8562]

What about it? There's nothing there about tongues being gibberish.

[@markloginger2834]

@@tabandken8562 no it proves that tongues is not gibberish

[@tabandken8562]

​@@markloginger2834 How?

[@markloginger2834]

@@tabandken8562 Acts 10:46 (FSB): 10:46 speaking in tongues This expression of the Spirit’s indwelling and power echoes the initial events of Pentecost (2:3-4). However, the expression here seems more likely related to worship (see note on 1 Cor 13:1), since there is no need for Cornelius and those with him to speak a human language that would have been otherwise unknown to them (see 1 Cor 14:1-25).

[@tabandken8562]

@@markloginger2834 Because nobody spoke gibberish tongues that nobody, including the speaker, could understand for the first 1900 years of Christianity, we can correctly assume that any reading that makes us read gibberish tongues in the text, is wrong. There are other possibilities to consider when reading these "tongue" Scriptures. They could have recognized Cornelius was speaking in tongues because suddenly they could understand him when normally he spoke a language none of them understood. In 1 Cor 13:1 Paul was likely speaking facetiously and hypothetically. His point was love. He said that even IF he COULD speak all the languages of men and even of the angels, but didn't speak the language of love, he's "a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal". He then goes on, "And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." He is again stressing love. He says if if he has all these extraordinary abilities, but don't have love, he's nothing. He continues on this way for verse 3. He's stressing the importance of love. He's not actually saying he can speak the tongues of angels, or have all knowledge or can move mountains. He's stressing the importance of love. Love is the most important virtue. Paul says that love is greater than faith. Verse 13 of the same chapter. 1 Cor 14:1 "Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit." This is foreign language. Paul is saying that if people speak foreign languages while speaking, he's not speaking to others cause nobody understands him except God. He's scolding them for preaching in foreign tongues to people who don't understand. "3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself," Scolding again. "5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up." Tongues here is still foreign language. The one who prophesies is greater than anyone who can speak foreign languages. That if someone does speak in a foreign language, a translator is needed. "6 Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge" It's still foreign language. He's saying that if he speaks in a foreign language, you won't understand and you won't gain knowledge or revelation. Nobody benefits. He goes on to talk of how instruments must play correctly with proper sounds so we can understand what is being played. Paul is not glorifying tongues at all, as most people seem to think he is. "9 So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air." See? He is criticizing speaking in foreign tongues around others. "10 There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, 11 but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. 12 So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church." "13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret." If he prays with people in his foreign language, he should pray to speak a translated version of his prayer. "14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful." If he prays in a foreign language he doesn't understand, his Spirit knows what he is saying, God knows, but he doesn't know. This is an issue I have with people who praise the Latin Mass but don't know Latin. If you pray Latin prayers, but don't know Latin, your spirit is praying, God understands, but you don't. "15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also." He's encouraging people to pray in languages they know so that you can praise God with your mind and not just your spirit. "16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?" You're getting it now, right? "17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up." I'm assuming you are getting it now. "18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you." He is saying he knows how to speak many languages. "19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue." He's admitting that he doesn't understand as many languages he can speak. He rather speak the few languages he knows in Church so he really knows what he is saying than a bunch he doesn't know well. "21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” 22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds?" If an unbeliever passes by a Church and everyone is speaking different languages, they'll just think your all out of your minds (and this is especially more true when everyone is speaking gibberish non-language tongues) 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you.

[@markloginger2834]

Don’t forget 1 cor 14

[@champagne.future5248]

Millions of Christians including Catholics pray in tongues. What they sound like and how they operate can vary widely. Usually it’s just perceived by speaker and hearer as babbling. Other times the hearer will recognize languages ancient or modern. It can assist with prophecy, healing, intercession, and generally with one’s relationship with God. As with any work of the Spirit it can be abused, manufactured, or corrupted, which gives sceptics reason to dismiss it entirely. However sceptical Christians would be well advised not to rush to judgement of their brothers in Christ based on their own assumptions or lack of experience in this area. Consider that if you are wrong you may be quenching the Spirit and causing unnecessary division. Those who practice this gift must not annoy or disturb others with it and must submit to the guidance of Church authority. Charismatic gifts cannot be used to determine the state of one’s salvation or sanctity.

[@tabandken8562]

If it's legit, people will understand it.

[@HarleyGirl75]

God does still give the gift of tongues.

[@Beanbag777]

For what ??

[@tabandken8562]

He still does, but it's not made public. People will hear speakers talk in their own language even though the speaker spoke a different language, but it's not gibberish.

[@luke9747]

The gift of tongues is real today!

[@vinoneil]

Depends on what you mean by "gift of tongues"

[@Rschoe-j5b]

Real ? Yes? Rare? Extremely Common? Not

[@statichawk360]

Speaking in gibberish is not speaking of tongues. But yes the gift is real, and was used by the Holy Spirit to spread the Gospel to the far reaches of the Roman Empire when there weren't any native Christian speakers to evangelize.

[@luke9747]

Why do you think it is gibberish? There is the gift of speaking in tongues, and the gift of hearing tongues. It might sound like gibberish to you, but to someone with the gift of interpreting tongues from the Holy Spirit it can be understood. My parish priest has the gift of tongues

[@tabandken8562]

​@@luke9747If nobody understands it, it's gibberish. The interpreter is not the translator, he interprets. That is, he explains what was said.