Is Necromunda Underhive Wars Really THAT Bad?

[@DocDewrill]

You forgot one of the biggest problems with the game. Gang attachment. By that i mean, how your gangers grow on you, or in the case of necromunda: dont. Leveling up a ganger makes no sense. It is easier du continuously buy new better gangers each round or two. Grief injury that would give your ganger character and story? Naaah into the gluepot, lets buy another one max level without injurys. Completely looses its charm

[@MrMortull]

What confuses me about it is that they HAD a perfectly good model for gang recruitment in the tabletop game; buy Gangers and Heavies at minimal experience, Juves at even LOWER experience levels for the eventual payoff that they'll have even greater skills down the road, or *temporarily hire* specialists of various kinds... at a price that's arguably not worth it. The ability to purchase a new gang member at high experience with no downsides right out of the gate confuses the hell out of me.

[@DocDewrill]

@@MrMortull exactly. i started my Gang, played 3 or 4 missions and then just started replacing ym Gang with maxed out Gangers from the Market. its way too easy

[@Mithguar]

They had good formula in Mordheim. Experienced recruits were random, had injuries and they could never be hired on max level. And most of all, they weren't always there and were very expensive to buy up front.

[@DocDewrill]

@@Mithguar yeah i remember in our last League where we actualy had to save up multiple matches to afford one thats worth it.

[@Kindlesmith70]

The new Necormunda board game does this with their gangers. The old board game made all your members important.

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

6:14 They basically gave the game the map size of the tabletop game, but with quadruple the movement ranges

[@Mithguar]

that isn't the issue with movement. They switched the system they had in Mordheim when you had movement points, each was a circle and when you reach the eadge, new movement point starts. You could backtrack but you had to return to precious point. Now you have one huge "movement point" and you can run as much as you like as long as you are within boundary of the range. And it doesn't care for verticality. It only uses movement range if you use anything or shoot etc. There would be no issue if they used movement from Mordheim.

[@Mayhzon]

@@Mithguar Both games have a sucky, terrible movement system that feels extremely odd and limiting. The weird delay after inputs also feel super janky. These devs should just find a new profession or develop in a different genre. The jank is too much.

[@trashl0rd]

I was fine with the movement system in Mordheim. It doesn't work in this one. You can traverse half the map in one turn, making strategic positioning completely null and void.

[@thingsmac]

@@Mayhzon Add to that Warhammer Quest- gummy/floaty controls, necessitating double-clicks (then punishing you for double clicking when not meant to) and then let's not forget about the frozen screen between EVERY. SINGLE. TURN. (To tell you "It's your turn"). Pro APM Starcraft: 400 An average person's APM playing Starcraft - 50 if you're slow, maybe less, most players more. These developers: "Joe, hit the pause button for me"

[@me-A2B]

Everyone got mad at me, yell at me, belittled me, some even reporting me at steam when I suggest to don't pre-order this game because there is so little information of actual gameplay and discounted even before release back then. The moderator even banned me from posting at their thread. Ppl are just too stupid beyond saving nowadays.

[@Wormworttea]

Doubt.

[@Kindlesmith70]

That's the long short of it. Too many morons out there who have more money than sense. Gotta buy it before it's done, or buy it the moment it;s released. Who cares about actually putting research into it and wait a few months down the line before making a purchase. Don't feel too bad. People are going to be brain dead regardless of caution provided.

[@ADADEL1]

Why would anyone ever pre-order? Seems like a stupid thing to do when you are buying something electric and Steam will never run out of stock.

[@Kindlesmith70]

@@ADADEL1 Heh, that's another way to look at it.

[@alchemispark7751]

Well either the people in These threads were very dumb or you didnt Phrase it very nicely because that Sounds like something that would only ever Happen if you were talking about an extremely hyped game like nomans sky or star citizen, not necromunda as I didnt hear anyone talking about this game for the last 3-4 months

[@TheTimestopper]

Wish they’d polished/expanded Mordheim more instead of releasing this

[@rockCity777]

I don't think Mordheim was fixable, to be honest. Don't get me wrong, a lot could be done. In fact, there is an overhaul-mod that rebalances combat to make a whole lot more sense, reworking almost every useless skill and fixing glaring issues like impressives getting stuck on doors. And they certainly could have done another pass of the story-missions to make them... less torturous. But the biggest issue in the game is the movement, and that is just not feasible to fix without breaking the game down and rebuilding. "Disengage" systems constantly breaking, the constant min-maxing of the clunky character-movements, the awful feeling of heavy armor, awkward creeping of characters to avoid/inflict ambushes and charges, constant LoS bugs, characters movement getting locked by climbing stairs... All these problems come from implementing the wrong type of movement-system for a turn-based RPG. This was a top-level desig decision to translate the movement-points from the boardgame strictly, that cascaded into the host of other problems in 3D. I think the biggest reason Necromunda is getting so much flak is that they took they are making the same mistakes again at an even bigger scale, which is shocking when you consider that all these flaws were present in Mordheim, and have once again been simply papered with patchwork-solutions.

[@SahiPie]

@@rockCity777 Your last sentence directly negates everything preceding it? You said that you didn’t count bugs against a game as they could be fixed yet everything else you mentioned to be a part of the failure of the game are things that could be updated or patched. I’m confused as to your logic here.

[@Mithguar]

@@rockCity777 actually i find movement in Mordheim a good attempt to translate the movement points from table top. It might be one of very few games that attempted it without going for easy solution of some kind of grid. Problem with Necromunda is they done away with movement point and went for one big point and that just offers too much freedom traversing mostly vertical maps. Actually, if they swapped movement systems between the 2 games, it would work out better. Necromunda system would work for Mordheim since maps are bigger and most verticality uses climb which would "lock" distance traveled, while Mordheim system would be less ridiculous on Necromunda maps. Bad design choices were made. I still enjoy playing Mordheim. At least you felt the consequences of bad actions, if there was a deamon on a map, you could try to play it to your advantage and permanent injury didn't meant instant glue vat since expirienced warriors were far more expensive to raise. Necromunda fails on all fronts.

[@Narlgoth]

Mordhiem could have been expanded, there was a real world expansion to the tabletop game called Empire in Flames which opened Mordheim out into the rest of the Warhammer world, adding wilderness maps, extra factions and equipment/rules.

[@TheHarkonnenScum]

@@Mithguar They just ripped off Valkyria Chronicles but lacked the skill to make it work. Twice.

[@caseyjasey4446]

ahhh the classic "don't have to sync/animate mouth movements if everyone's wearing masks"

[@j.k.4761]

A game like Unreal Tournement in the Necromunda setting would be fun or a story shooter maybe or Xcom

[@gamblorrr]

I could have sworn there was an xcom 40k game in the works.

[@gamblorrr]

wait nah I was think of this shit lmao :-(

[@709mash]

If only the x-com team made a 40k game.

[@themainman2827]

A tactical team based first person shooter would be really nice

[@firestarter6488]

@@gamblorrr With all the Warhammer mods for XCOM 2, it's not hard to get confused on that these days.

[@BlackSabbath628]

So they basically made everyone move like Skaven from Mordheim. Well that's just lame.

[@johnnyz1781]

More games need to follow X-Com's mechanics.

[@khorneflakes4446]

I like the 40k mod for Xcom 2

[@dominicmanester8125]

Someone in charge of this game didn't understand WHY X-COM and X-COM like games handle movement and actions in a very specific manner.

[@walt_man]

On sale right now.. for $3.99 based on regional currency. One foot step sound, looping continuously...with no changed based on material???? Fun..

[@Rogurt_666]

My largest issue is that the movement is entirely on the ZX plane and ignores vertical ascension which means a ganger could run about 20m in a straight line or a full marathon if there are stairs and ramps. It is true that implementing such a measure would prove difficult but it would really help the verticality mean something besides the AI running up stairs for a solid minute just to use Death from Above.

[@iapetusmccool]

Like in XCOM, where your soldier might decide that rather than walking round a corner, it's quicker to climb up a two-story drainpipe, run across the roof, and then drop down the other side?

[@heycidskyja4668]

@@iapetusmccool Exactly. In fact, it's right that vertical movement should be MASSIVELY penalised if not ignored for normal movement.

[@derekdrake8706]

I wait a year, or two, before buying Warhammer games. Especially 40k games. There's a few gems but it's mostly disappointing "wtf is this?" Mechanicus, Gladius, Dawn of War 1 and it's spinoffs. Those are the good ones. Space Marine was alright but repetitive, short and, imo, lacking.

[@tamasrehany6532]

+ battlefleet gothic 1 & 2

[@shlongmanator9505]

I personally loved space marine but I understand where your coming from, despite the fact I love it I’ve only done two play throughs but for how cheap it is why not get it.

[@PowerPuffSoldier]

Hopefully Darktide will be in that shortlist of good 40k games.

[@shlongmanator9505]

@Oswald Mosley I love it but people always have this criticism that’s its repetitive but I don’t know if that’s a bad thing. For its price getting a 10 hour experience that you may only do twice is fine imo. Not every game has to be breath of the wild

[@thenecrophymm6591]

The AI could be alot more deadly if it used it items correctly. If they have an item, they use it, but totally ignore its effects. Turn 1: Use move buff - immediately go on overwatch, Turn 2: Use Melee crit buff, shoot someone, and retreat.

[@tigerdiger7655]

Voice acting sure sucks arse, hard to believe it can technically be compared to Dawn Of War I and II.

[@elmarko12341]

They should have bionic limb replacement, unique classes for each faction. (Cyberdogs, battle servators, pychers) Gang specific weapons and more gang skills, gang objectives (kills, stealing drugs, techs) - larger maps but more flat ones. Like a building and some outside area without all the crazy zip lines everywhere. More customisation, more visual choices, custom gang creation with unique perks and buffs (pick unique weapons and classes from other premade gangs) A larger xcom style strategy layer, hold territory and do diplocomacy with some other gangs. Encounter arbities, guard, trators, astartes (final boss style) genestealer cults on a big open world hive map like zcom

[@kain966]

I have played it a bit and my biggest gripe is that battle is not smooth, the interface is clunky and the AI seems slow to make decisions, but it looks great and has a decent backstory if you're a fan of 40k.

[@Maladjester]

That movement is INSANE. I've only played Mordheim and the pain of trying to get skeletons into a position, ANY position, is enough to make you switch to Skaven.

[@JahlisMan]

here's to hoping that the new Necromunda: Hired Gun won't be as disappointing. it's from the creators of Spacehulk: Deathwing though, so I'm keeping my expectations low still.

[@SlotCarCast]

I hated Mordheim PC game but I loved the board game. I assume i will hate this as well. I dont want xcom in this world, I want this to be the tabletop game brought to life much the way blood bowl 2 on PC has done for that game.

[@wight1984]

My ideal Necomunda-themed game would play more like a non-buggy version of Frozen Synapse 2: (a) Both players give simultaneous order to their gangers, which resolve simultaneously (b) meta-game where you divide your gang into groups and send them across a map to defend/attack certain locations I always kinda liked the idea of a map-based tabletop campaign of Necromunda, but it wasn't realistic to do in-person, but FS2 is the closest to what I was imagining.

[@sdgamer1860]

to my understanding after the November update, the AI got fixed reallly good and quality seems to have improved so i'm getting back into it and looking forward to what seems to be the 4th house (Don't know if Necrons were a thing in Necromunda). I would really like to see the palanite enforcers though

[@MrBizteck]

No its still dumb as shit ... worse even ! Now instead of spending each turn on usless stances it will rush the pick ups ... then ignore the extraction zones....and try to punch every one not using their weapon 1 single time !

[@Zakalwe-01]

I've been playing this since the end of the Xmas Steam sale and I'm really enjoying it. The artwork is excellent, especially the extremely well designed environments. I love the verticality of the combat too, and tactically it's interesting. The characters could do with being a bit more 'John Banche', and there are a few movement glitches with the AI, but nothing that breaks the game. I can see myself playing this over the year.

[@Alastair_]

This game is currently on sale for £2.69 and I'm still not going to buy it.

[@whitefox25]

your lose enjoy that burger instead of wait u cant even get a burger for that price lmao

[@RichMerry]

This video came up in my recommended. Instant subscribe, keep up the good work dude, I’m going to watch your doorkickers 2 stuff next.

[@Yeongboemkim365]

227 views man this quality is amazing and informative

[@5000Seabass]

You’ve got a new sub, don’t let the algorithm get you down. Make content at your own pace and don’t burn yourself out over it.

[@HansAlRachid]

It's so weird to me that the Mordheim guys made this - that game may not have been a masterpiece itself, but compared to this? Holy hell. Considering how similiar the two games are in concept, I just don't get it.

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

What is worse about this one vs mordheim? Ai seems worse yh. Its 7 $ cad now for ps4 , tempted

[@Childishxmarkeeloo]

Bruh they made this game look like a cool third person arena shooter. That marketing was deceptive asf

[@BTFWayne]

20 seconds in, woman gets neck snapped, gunfight starts & no one takes cover? Gonna be a fun trash ride...

[@l0stndamned]

Interesting to hear. As I fan of the table-top version I was interested in getting the game, but a whole load of factors, many of which you mentioned, put me off purchasing. Most of this game's assets look like they would be great for a third-person shooter.

[@whinegummi6329]

Well, new subscriber here. Just my taste in content. Calm, informative. No bs. Merry Xmas

[@tannermurphy5504]

good breakdown. and im really surprise by your audio quality for the low sub count. subbed and hope to see more 40k games as they come

[@joneskleid9501]

I actually really like this game it’s a lot like mordhiem city of the damned though the ai path finding is worse in this

[@goshohgosh4568]

This showed up I my recommended section so you're I a good place. I'll share and like a few of your videos here and hopefully that helps. But man if you keep up this upload schedule and your in people's recommended sections you might be about to pop off on this channel

[@Elia-Burani]

Men i love this game, i made my gang only melee "the Berzerkers", maybe thay are not op, but im having so much fun. But The AI need some work. Or is Op like hell, or kill himself everytime

[@randomaccessfemale]

I find the AI problems odd considering the developers already had a lot of experience from Mordheim.

[@ihaveacookie4226]

Cut the movement in half, with melee having maybe 5 or 10 more, add more customization, unit, gangs, actual gang exclusive weapons and fix the ai; you'd have a good nercromunda game.

[@yecnay25]

I've had fun and don't really regret my purchase. Does it have issues yes, Hell I rage quit the other day because RNG decided an enemy crit was going to one shot my leader. I still play it and love it. I'm super happy that it's bringing the Necromunda universe to those of us who don't have easy access to table top.

[@darkdude9248]

Gonna be real with you chief, the trailers made this look like a team based fps. Nice to know it can go on the pile of mediocre "tactical" warhammer games

[@overtenemy69]

i just remembered they were making this game and hit the ole youtube to see if it was worth anything. well it is total dog shite

[@ChuckPickle]

I had the exact same thought about it looking like a hero shooter

[@marky3609]

Honestly making it a stupid turnbased game was the problem there's absolutely no reason for this not to be a full fledged 3rd-person action game

[@typingcat9196]

I see Mordeheim and this one shares one problem. Extreamly janky animation with too many pauses here and there. In mordeheim, when one of my unit is to cast a simple buff, 1. She has to sheats her weapons with very janky animations (it's like she suddenly decided to scratch her back or something) 2. After small pauses, she holds her hands close and make very stupid face expression as if she wants to pee or something. There's also very uninspring and unrealistic visual effects (like sudden burst of light) 3. After a small pause, she scratches her back again to pull out her weapon. It's so pathethic and uninspiring, almost feels like two socialy awakard people playing a board game while mimicking their unit doing something by holding it up high and mumbles something uninteligible. So many pause between animation also reminds me of very badly written code, which happened to have application.wait(30f) in every couple of lines. Utter shite

[@cagliostro7747]

Wow... that voice acting is certainly something...

[@erl7466]

it’s weird that they screwed up the ai when this was a board game and already had an analog ai system that worked so well. over developing a simple system is a pretty bad mistake.

[@darkbeatsandthecat8726]

Your sound was fine, also subbed for warning me off buying another warhammer game and being disappointed

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

man my gripe with this game is the the moving your character to take an action i got bored and annoy on how it work

[@basementgoblin8425]

The year is 2021, the patchie didn't fix the AI. If the next update that's supposed to benefit all owners and every gang doesn't work out. Then RIP this game.

[@Al-dp7hw]

They ever fix those glitches where the game freezes and drop completely dead during the story mode? It kept happening to me on the very second stage.

[@MitchellGodsend]

According to patch notes they have apparently fixed it, but according to other players there's still some out there with the same old problem... I haven't seen anyone specifically say "the second stage/level" but their are still some saying the story mode crashes for them.

[@bloodrunsclear]

This would have actually made for a much better RPG than a tactical game

[@filipinorutherford7818]

The problem is the gunfighting does not feel like a gun battle. There is limited fire and movement. I think it is because there is alot of movement points and overwatch does not have much range and only shaves off like 5% movement points. This means a fighter can run across the map and get shot at multiple times and still get to their destination. There is nos scurrying to cover. Also they don't take cover like in XCOM the just stand upright or kneel. I also think there should be a map generator which is created for each battle so each battle is unique. You often play on the same maps over and over again, I am looking at you gang base raids. I think they need to go back to the drawing board and keep what is good and get rid of what is bad. When they bring out the new game give existing owners a massive discount and it will be bought I am sure.

[@minortoterona2947]

Bad AI, BAD ! Go into the corner ! How deep ?

[@cpom5075]

Interesting topic, Good editing, Informative Script and a Smooth Voice? Subbed

[@gureguru4694]

great, borderline amazing 3D assets specially the units. too bad everything else is shite

[@dmitriykolyesnik6927]

Movement distance is just too big. It's just stupid for the turn base game.

[@MrGrubee48cc]

>Heard Voice 0:20 >Subscribed 0:21 >Ringed The Bell 0:22 I will be seeing more of you my good man PS: Predicting a Mandalore Gaming Crossover

[@yeuls9258]

I really hope they fix it. the most annoying would be that screen glitching.

[@reggieking1045]

I loved Mordheim city of the damned despite it's problems and was hoping Necromunda would be at least as good since i had the board game when i was a kid. This looks and plays NOTHING like the real game.

[@filipinorutherford7818]

Yeagh I don't know why they did not just port the 90s version of Necromunda. The basis of the game really should of been on XCOM I think.

[@Diarmuhnd]

I've been playing Warhammer for over 30years. I refunded NUW before my 2 hr limit was reached. I'll wait and see if Focus Home throws lets it get fixed before quietly abandoning it. Thanks for the review. Have an awesome 2021

[@LifeJLife]

my biggest problem with this game is that all the gangs are just copy paste of one another, without any of the unique units they should have from the tabletop game.

[@cartoonraccoon2078]

0:20 'Bad guys! Quick, everyone stand still until we are all dead!'

[@SaiKelly]

Cheers for that, was wondering whether or not to buy it on PS4 there. Think i might wait til it's much cheaper! By the way, you have a cracking voice! Do you have a reel? I hire VO artists now and again for work. 👍

[@MitchellGodsend]

Well, I had to look up what a VO reel was, if that tells you anything lol

[@HighlanderFrag4Life]

if people want good polished games - just dont buy on launch.. dont pre order dont give them any money unles you know 100% what your money goes on.

[@filipinorutherford7818]

Totally agree. I remember when games came out and where ready to play.

[@idontwanttopickone]

When did Necromunda become Necromoonda?

[@MitchellGodsend]

Potato Potoondato

[@TheArklyte]

Wait, it's out?

[@MitchellGodsend]

Back in September: store.steampowered.com/app/566440/Necromunda_Underhive_Wars/

[@TheArklyte]

@@MitchellGodsend I have a feeling that outside of people, who followed the game closely, majority is not aware it was out. Even "rerelease" of Space Hulk got more publicity and that game aims to bore you to death on purpose.

[@orangeblack1285]

I really really want to like this game. I have a ton of actual necromunda miniatures, terrain, gangs rules and stuff. But no one in my area plays it. I kinda hoped this game would fill that role a bit. I also really liked mordheim, which is from the same devs I think. But unfortunately underhive wars isn't cutting it. There is also hired gun, which is more story driven and not really in the gang managing spirit of necromunda. But that one also isn't really fun to play. It feels like the franchise is cursed.

[@chrisnotyourbusines7739]

after they have never fixed the "impressive bug" from mordheim, I was wise enough to pirate that shit to see for myself and unistal after 2h

[@astolbro7183]

Aren't plasma guns weaker then Lasguns in this trainwreck?

[@nightsage217]

It's probably frustrating for many players who think they could polish the mechanics better. There are alrdy some compelling stuffs on tabletop, such as overwatch mechanics, swarm units, psychic phases, vehicles/monster. Interesting non-humans factions, or the lack of interesting humans faction. Ppl will die to play a group of battle sisters or Arbites. Or simply scenarios like horde mode. Just killing things amass is fun itself.

[@00pugsly48]

I liked the level design but I honestly think this game would have been amazing if they copied xcom. Then added a few things to make it their own (like alternate activation rather than your whole team their whole team like in xcom. Add the group activations too like from the tabletop). You could have also had a cool base building thing with territories with unique perks. The actually table too has loads of equipment and weapons they could have used too. I dunno. I got it fairly cheap so I can’t say it was bad value, more just a missed opportunity.

[@georgebliss7674]

Excellent review. Excellent game concept Horrible game execution What a shame, considering we all have the imagination to see what could have been

[@justinland5713]

I guess I expected some issues. Figured it would be basically a reskin of Mordheim, which had a fair amount of it's own issues but I still put many enjoyable hours into that game.

[@ONI09100]

the excessive buffing every turn slows things down as well multi player probably is better but iv never been able to get a game the player base is to low and i live in Australia so time wise most players are on when im not.

[@hunter5822]

Wait what?!? People consider the game bad?! I love the game! Mind you, I wish there was more, but after playing mechanicus I need that turn based game fix man!

[@matix314]

the turn combat system tried to replicate what the "senjou no valkyria"(valkyria chronicles) saga does in his gameplay, but failed miserably... the 40k games are a shitshow with only a few gems from time to time...

[@Mayhzon]

Worst - They already made this mistake with Mordheim. Janky, unfun movement ruining the game. I had no idea these were the same devs, but immediately recognized it after the first few seconds of footage.

[@ZZ-cr9pz]

Soo sad they couldn't make a proper Necromunda game, have to wait like 20 years for the next one :/

[@MobiusN7]

Why even have realtime movement if you wont have the enemy overwatch like in valkyria chronicles.

[@Visigoth_]

Eh... I enjoyed it. 🙂👍 - I only crashed once or twice... but the AI is/ was terrible. (watching enemy turns was the worst part of it for me.).

[@puchostinkt]

Necromunda is fun in general, but the AI is beyond stupid. Play with mates.

[@glomibabel1894]

l want have movement system like mordheim

[@RSProduxx]

to be fair... I can imagine how tough it is to make a proper AI pathing in this kind of environment... I mean, it´s very complex and loaded with obstacles...

[@RichardHunke]

I bought this game after I bought the FPS sequel or installment which I haven’t progressed to far since I’m stock. For the PS4 I might add. I don’t mind this one regardless of some of the flaws, and it was on sale. I like the idea and crossover of its mechanics. There’s so many games for the Warhammer series and I do like the lore and cinematics, and that’s the main reason I try a lot of their games. There’s a few games of the 40K that I like for example a Diablo ARPG, regular Warhammer turn base strategy card style RPG. I mean they do make effort in trying to mix things up, I hope they make one that really knocks it out of the park.

[@bemersonbakebarmen]

Have you played Valkyre Chronicles? I loved that game. This seemed similar. Sad is broken.

[@jasonbourne6323]

Possibly one of the more worse games I've spent my money on.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

no

[@Advythe]

I actually wanted to try this game after I fucking loved the soundtrack, and here you call it elevator music lol, different strokes...

[@TheHarkonnenScum]

They obviously learned nothing from Mordheim's failures and this game will soon be just as dead.

[@AlexLorentzenloganjamesalex]

I wanted to like this game so much after all my hours with Mordheim. The AI was just too terrible

[@GuardianMehmed]

is Mordheim good ?

[@anhnguyenhoang210]

It's hybrid gameplay isn't that new tbh. Valkyria Chronicles did that more than a decade ago, with no basics to build on unlike Necromunda but it did better.

[@TheEschwank02]

Sounds exactly like Mordheim

[@leadpaintchips9461]

I personally don't think playing against the AI is all that bad, but it's not exactly groundbreaking either. The thing that makes the game a very solid 'meh' to me is that they haven't learned the right lessons from Mordheim.

[@rohezalvomambo1208]

You sound like ZeFrank now and then. Very nice voice. And besides, thanks for preventing me from spending money on this game :)

[@EyesofOd]

So I understand with regards to the mechanics, but how is the gameplay itself? Like is it a definite story or sandboxy style? If I'm a huge fan of mordheim single player would you say the single player is a similar system or is it a more on rails campaign?

[@MitchellGodsend]

The Campaign is on-the-rails for the most part but the Gang Wars is sandbox-style.

[@RomaliEkonomist]

AI intentionally is not working properly, you know the rules of Mechanicus

[@MrFoxtanz]

The fact is actually and by few years, all the games aren't finished or tested. They sell each time them in "anticipate buying" (sorry bad english) and people who are idiots continue buy them... Especially in Warhammer! So many time i see and be sad good licences are wasted. Start with War online age of reckoning who was good but bad Devs, dawn of war 3, Eternal Crusade and so many other games not warhammer like Anthem, ME Andromeda, Cyberpunk, Rage 2 ....

[@Rolfhn]

I want to play a good 40k game but seems the only ones are Space Marine and Dawn of War, every other game I try is just boring or seems unfinished

[@MitchellGodsend]

I liked those too, but I also enjoyed Vermintide 2 and I'm hoping the upcoming Darktide is going to be good.

[@krisblaise8580]

I didn't mind Inquisitor Martyr

[@Rolfhn]

@@MitchellGodsend just checked vermintide and looks good, but the comments point gameplay issues, I'll try it next week to judge by myself

[@MitchellGodsend]

With Vermintide 2 I've heard people complain about host disconnects if that's what you mean about its problems. It's still sitting at "Very Positive" on Steam and usually has a couple thousand people playing at the lowest of times. It's basically Warhammer 30k's version of Left 4 Dead.

[@tefky7964]

I know that Space hulk:deathwing has many problems,but it has just great sceneries and if you have atleast one friend to play it with,it can be fun.

[@RichterBelmont2235]

*entrenched in a shallow and highly visible alcove* 😂😂😂 Well on their defence, they lives in a universe where a man drives a tank closer to the enemy so he could slice them with his sword. Logic and reason are in short supply here.

[@hangster559]

It's not a half bad turn base game, but overall there's not much story telling into it or anyway. So it gets boring quick even after 1 match

[@alchemispark7751]

I think this game needs 2 things to be good, 1. a few more factions (and please more creative than BIG MAN SHOOT MAN and WOMAN) And 2. Make it xcom

[@arranbaker7372]

Own it and at the time pre-ordered it hoped it would just be a 40k version of Mordheim. But outside its choice with outfit customization it falls short in pretty much every other area compared to its big brother Mordheim. Mordheim is much more expansive in its playstyle and strategic options and makes character progression incredably easy. Sure Mordheim isn't necesseraly perfect but it works at what its ment to be which is a skirmish game, where as Necromunda is trying to be a roleplaying game dressed in a ting skimish game outift.

[@jaimeantonioolaguezchirino5805]

Not gonna lie, at first look i tought it was a Warframe update with how grineer everything looks, sad.

[@Chromodar]

Despite all the similarities with Mordheim, this game feels so much worse on basically every level. And it's not like Mordheim was a work of art to begin with.

[@coreyrachar9694]

I wanted to buy this game when it came out but the reviews were so bad I didn't. Years later and now it's 4 bux on steam and I want to buy it again but watching videos like this one I just can't let myself do it. Sadly it looks like Mordheim was just a happy accident that is likely to not be repeated or improved upon and that really is too bad.