Is One page Rules Ruining Warhammer?

[@highlordalcadizakyr1479]

OPR is not ruining warhammer, GW does that by their own

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

You’re right 😅

[@greglott4977]

Came here to make this exact comment.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

😂😎

[@Willandheart]

The only thing capable of ruin Warhammer is Warhammer itself. The only hope we can have is for One Page Rules not to become villain in their own story some day.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Feels right 😎 but OPR has been awesome so far for sure

[@InquisitorAstelon]

Don't worry, they will. Just like Battletech and every other alternative.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@@AcceptablyEPIC I dunno, OPR used to feel like "40k but simplified to the point of utter cardboard by someone who only plays Tourney-approved stages in Smash Bros". Now it doesn't even map to 40k models anymore, so what's the point?

[@uberwildy]

The worst thing about trying out OPR is having to listen to how every element compares to GW at every step. I’m trying to play a war game, not protest.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

You’re right. That doesn’t sound fun at all

[@Soccer67]

Choosing a game system over another b/c you enjoy it more does not qualify as a protest. Frequenting a budiness that has better service or products that another business does not qualify as a protest against the business you choose not to frequent. A protest characteristically entails anger against something. Anything else is just an expression of preference.

[@nurglerider781]

@@Soccer67 And yet you can't throw a rock without hitting someone yammering on and on about how great OPR is and how much GW sucks. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of positive about OPR, it's just all the terminal sycophants who just cannot shut up about it. GW has the same problem though, too many people who decide that playing a wargame is a religious choice for some reason.

[@raeishimura]

After having played Warhammer 40k for a long time, i find it actually easier to make my troop selections or know what to model by comparing them. Like, I don't know what i should build towards if you tell me "Battle brother destroyer" but if you say "Terminator" I know immediately what the idea is and i can model new troops accordingly. Comparing them just helps me wrap my head around it all

[@conjo8884]

@@nurglerider781 that's what happens when something that is culturally eponymous starts degrading and makes its own competition. Pathfinder is a 1 to 1 example for dnd, what can you do, it literally exists because of edition changes and legal malarky. even then, ff14 to WoW, pc gaming to console. It can even be a total stretch on paper like linux to windows. but POR Grimdark Future is a d6 based sci fi wargame that, with its flaws, exists as an offshoot to 40k as opposed to other great systems that have their own thing going (started collecting mantic minis as a result, even). it exists for people who were told to stop complaining and do something else if there is such a problem, so i'm not the least bit surprised a large chunk of it is people who are disillusioned with 40k.

[@xxelaxela333]

Onepagerules has kind of changed how I see my mini collection. I used to, in my head, compartmentalize them. Like these are my warhammer minis, these are my flames of war minis etc etc. ever since I started with Onepagerules and other mini agnostic games, I just see them as my mini collection, and I can use them for a variety of different games in addition to their “official” game. Makes the never ending chase to plug gaps in my collection and create armies for theoretical future games.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Yes indeed!

[@reddragon4482]

GW Ruined Warhammer, and no one owes Games Workshop a fucking thing. Every idiot on YT calls it "the hobby" when it's not a hobby, it's just a brand. Maybe when everyone realizes they have Stockholm Syndrome we can all move on and enjoy tabletop wargaming without being told how to play it, what to collect and what rules we have to obey.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Makes sense!

[@TheEr910]

OPR (and other miniature agnostic games) are helping Games Workshop. If you like GW models, but not the rules, you can use those models in a different system. Also, you can use OPR or other models to play GW games with friends and at most local game stores. Competition in the marketplace is good.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed! 😎

[@buttemountain]

Bit of a nitpick but OPR has not given out whatever license is required to print and sell their models in the US. To my knowledge, Only-Games is the only company that can print and sell OPR models. Which is a shame because it takes about a month to get your models in the mail and I’m impatient lol

[@YeAuldGrump]

Though GW has, as far back as the 1990s, tried to get game stores to ban folks from using GW miniatures for other games. (Locally, the independent game stores have circular filed the requests. If fols wanted to use GW miniatures for a D&D game, they could not care less.)

[@MrBlackgobbo]

Yeah, but that's why is good for hobby; everyone agrees that GW miniatures are awesome; but the way they manage the game makes everything more expensive. If you are going to invest a lot of money and time in a unit, at least is good to be sure that is going to be always competitive and playable. Or if game demands a GW expensive unit, a vanilla miniatures game open door to other companies or push GW to balance prices because competition. One of the reason that historical miniatures are not so expensive is because everyone can make nazi, napoleonic or roman miniatures 😅

[@jonathancooper4914]

I still believe competition breeds excellence.

[@Lenriak]

I'd rather blame the company that's had almost 40 fucking years to figure 40k out for creating a constantly lackluster game.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

They have had it for a while now. 10 editions worth I’m told 🥲

[@Gumlass1]

@@Lenriak the rules and business practices get worse each edition.

[@DergonBaals]

@@Gumlass1 They really don’t. While things aren’t great today, 7th edition was far worse than any edition since.

[@TredHedJon]

Simply put...No, only Games Workshop becoming a corporation is ruining Games Workshop. They forgot who they are and how they got there.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

It’s true

[@House-Atreides]

Cheers to OPR! Who has the time or money to keep up with GW’s greedy madness!? I can now quickly print, paint, and play for pennies!

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Huzzah! 🎉

[@hz958]

What is ruining minigames is the competitive scene that determines too much how rules should be constantly balanced and maintain some kind of meta. Let's focus more on narrative and fun and less on competition.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

More fun please!

[@Buggritt]

Sadly GW don't care, otherwise they might step up their game. OnePageRules has made wargaming fun again, love them for that.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed! 😎

[@reddragon4482]

For sure. The fact that they let you make up your own armies allows you to be creative and makes things fun again.

[@kwinland]

We have been playing OPR for 2 years - not looking back. Some of us have played 40k for 35 years. DONE with the crappy GW rules. Except for Necromunda...

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Woohoo!

[@ImperialLegionTV]

GW rules are too complicated by OPR rules are too simple...boring.

[@Mark-sd4hv]

Competition can only be a good thing. The fact Warhammer has held such a monopolyon the industry shows. Hard to get people to try smaller games, costs high beyond the point of absurdity, constant paid rule updates, etc. Imagine if GW had to compete, things would be so much better

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Let’s see more competition!

[@nurglerider781]

This is one of the best things about OPR, at least from a business perspective, they are an actual competitor to GW. I personally don't like the games that much, they aren't bad, just too simple for me. But I'm glad it exists and I'm glad that a lot of people are enjoying it.

[@riggermortisfpv526]

If anything OPR has created a second system for GW models to be used in, I hardly think its ruining Warhammer.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@reddragon4482]

It's made it better in my opinion.

[@Sifuben]

Hate to be that guy, but Shadowstalkers aren't unique to OPR. They're an analogue for a Kings of War army which is a different kind of cool in itself.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh please correct when I make a mistake! Thanks!

[@Pardan]

@@AcceptablyEPIC They are the equivalent of the Nightstalkers from Mantic.

[@bladerdj3503]

The best thing is you can use whatever you like because its agnostic

[@ChrisKCook]

​@@Pardanbut probably bett vecause Manic stuff is usually awful

[@Pardan]

@@ChrisKCook I am playing Shadow Stalkers in Age of Fantasy and they are tons of fun

[@CoolCraftCool]

No, Warhammer is its own worst enemy.

[@jdstudios1912]

One page rules simplifies the game to the point where it's engaging for new players. I fail to see how this will do anything but improve Warhammer.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Hope so!

[@buttemountain]

The LGS owner and I have been bantering for months now about OPR vs. 40K. He’s been refusing to play me in OPR. I brought some of my Starhosts in to paint and he came over to admire them. He was so impressed that he agreed to give OPR a try lol

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Woohoo! Best of luck! 🥳

[@Buggritt]

To be fair the Starhosts are awesome, I love those models

[@InquisitorAstelon]

One Page Rules isn't ruining Warhammer because it isn't Warhammer. If you're playing One Page Rules, you are not playing Warhammer.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

It’s a fun game for me! 🥳

[@YeAuldGrump]

Not so much on 'ruining Warhammer' - my group swapped AFTER realizing that they really were not enjoying WH40K 9th edition. The game had already been ruined - they turned to OPR BECAUSE 40K had already stopped being fun. And one of us noticed the OPR Patreon, and had vague memories of One Page 40K on Dakka Dakka. Duncan took that fatal first step. And that was pretty much that - by the time WH40K 10th edition came out OPR was already our go to game. If WH40K 9th edition had been less of a mess, we might never have played OPR. Me, I gave up on 40K years before - 3rd edition was my favorite.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I’m loving introducing my friends to OPR!

[@midnightrider1100]

OPR might not exist if Warhammer didn't milk their customers to death and make their rules so complex that casuals give up.

[@nigelandrews3753]

Any organization/group helping getting people interested in war-gaming at an interesting price must good for the hobby👍

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@Pardan]

I don't think it's " ruining" anything. That's just internet hyperbole. I enjoy the simpler ruleset and miniature-agnostic stance of OPR which is why it's my favorite system. Others enjoy the crunchier ruleset of, for example, 40K. Some like both. That OPR exists isn't taking anything away from Warhammer. Those who have completely switched over might have stopped playing 40K/AOS eventually anyway because of the rules bloat.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Absolutely true! I’m glad there are options out there!

[@b.antenor]

If you enjoy OPR and is open to try other wargaming systems, I'd definetly recommend Space Weirdos. It's an awesome skirmish rule-set that is saddly unknown to most people. It's rule book is very cheap online as well so that's another plus

[@MortalAgenda]

Most people in the hobby don't even know that OPR exists. I'm glad it's doing well and people are finding systems that are right for them, but the idea that a small project like OPR is ruining Warhammer while Games Workshop reports record profits (for good or ill) is delusional.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

You’re right 😎 but competition is good for us the players!

[@riggermortisfpv526]

GW Stock is down 11% this year, Im not saying its OPR but something is happening.

[@chaoticzer0]

@@riggermortisfpv526i would argue it has nothing to do with OPR and more with the fact people not being able to afford groceries.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Yeah 🥲

[@chuckocenasek5651]

​@@riggermortisfpv526all stocks are down. The politicians are doing a number on the economy.

[@cinnabarsin4288]

Since you brought it up... I can't believe how unacceptably bad GW's website is at anything but their store. I'm actively trying to buy into AoS (since that and 40K and are really the only things being played in my area that I'm aware of) and I made the mistake of first going to their website to try and look at something simple like what factions exist and might I be interested in... There's so many circular links and that you can't even just easily see what to buy or what belongs to what or any actual details on modes or side games. A lot of it even just tries to get you to go to one of their brick and mortar stores and their store finder is nearly broken and doesn't give basic details for their shops (like hours and days they're open) and lists places that don't exist. I don't know how anyone who is completely new to these types of games or super casual without a connection into the scene manages to stumble into buying their products. Freaking part time job just to figure out simple stuff around how you're going to give them $200-300. Annnnyway, OPR looks cool too if I can find someone to play with and finally get around to setting up a resin printing area. Even buying into AoS, GW are only getting so much of my money so I'm probably going to buy some stuff to print (eventually) from OPR that I can use for my own ends if nothing else.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

The website is atrocious. Hope you can find friends to play with!

[@reddragon4482]

They spent 6 million or something on it and it's a nightmare to even look up stuff if you wanted to buy anything. That's how bad it is, it's not even fit for purpose. The previous one they had may not have been super high end but it was functional and pleasant to use, now it's a nightmare and you have to click about 10 different things just to browse on it. It's all form before function. It speaks about about GW's approach to everything, everything is ahead of the customer and player experience.

[@nathangerardy2669]

I have some GW minis (Orks, Sisters, Space Wolves) and I have been slowly painting and getting them ready to play 40k...every time I sat down to try to figure out what I would need to learn to play 40K I got very frustrated at all the rules and changes and the idea of you go I go. Once I started with OPR have been a patrion for about 18 months now. I have hope that I could actually figure out how to play. I have given up on ever playing 40k and that's fine because for me OPR is just better.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I’ve enjoyed OPR a ton!

[@uwesca6263]

For playing 40k my group had used a slow and steady approach. Start with 500 points games. Use the normal or quickstart rules and their index cards after 1-2 games use their special abilitys. Start slow and add a new layer of rules every other game. Alongside that (when your colkection grows) increase the point level. If you run into unfun rules or models ask your opponent to adjust slightly in order to increase fun. You do not need to play up to date rules if you are not in a competive enviroment.

[@kippbeard5624]

Im an old gw player and life happens my money is used to get by. Opr gives me a chance to play again. Plus I don't like you go then I go. I like one unit at a time.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@SarajevoKyoto]

Alternating activations is definitely a point in OPRs favor.

[@greenghost3509]

I've been thinking of giving Oathmark a go. Have you looked into it?

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh I haven’t heard of it! I’ll see!

[@SpottedHares]

For reference to the print cost, if you don't have that capacity for a resign printer(their are concerns) with the exception of like three armies you can FDM print your miniatures. Something a cheaper as a old Kobra 2 for $100 can allow you to make your own 1000-2000 point army. so for a week of your time and $125 dollars you can have a starting army vs GW that wants $165 for start collecting box.

[@Motorcitynights]

As with every video and article that poses a question for a title, the answer is no.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Pretty broad statement but I agree, it’s a pretty clickbait title 😅

[@Wolf359inc]

I was getting ready to put my Patreon on hold, after the High Elf Fleet releases finished. But then they announced the next armies were going to be Wood Elves (my all-time favourite Fantasy army), and Human Defense Forces ( I have always wanted to try Imperial Guard in 40k). So I guess my Patreon will continue for a while yet… 😊 Who am I kidding. For less than $20.00AUD a month, I would be a fool not to keep up my subscription. A full army release every four to five months costs me around $80-$100.00 AUD, for as many models as I want to print. $100.00AUD will not even come close to buying enough GW models to field one army. And I am getting files for models I might never have considered using before, due to the cost to buy them, physically, but am willing to take a chance on fielding now. Oh, I would love for OPR to ruin GW. Back when GW games were new, and for around a decade after that, GW were much like OPR is now. They were a small company, with a great product. They listened to their customers, and had fantastic customer service. I was a huge fan, and loved games such as Space Hulk, and Blood Bowl. Back then (in the 1980s), you could purchase a boxed Undead Horde (plastic miniatures of a skeleton army, with warriors, archers, knights, and a chariot) for $40.00AUD. There is nothing comparable to this in GWs current range, even adjusting for inflation. The bigger GW got, the more they became removed from their customer base. And when they started having to make money for their shareholders, that was the end of that era. Now, money is the driving force behind the company. Not making affordable miniatures, or taking chances on quirky, fun games, that might not turn a profit. Just overcharging for every little thing they can possibly put out into the market. One Page Rules is starting to grow, with joint ventures with other companies, and expansion in their game offerings. I hope OPR does not end up going gown the same road as GW. Hopefully, they can retain their roots, and continue to produce great miniatures, and fun games, while avoiding what went wrong with GW. If OPR promise to keep going as they are at present, I promise to keep supporting them on Patreon. Cheers,

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed! 😎

[@Kinaro666]

You would have to be some one who has severe mental issues to think One Page rules is Ruining Warhammer, all they are doing is providing a rule set so that casual table top gamers like m self can enjoy playing a toy soldier game with models we like. Warhammer is so heavily focus on providing a thick ass TOME of rules with constant changes. The way I see it Warhammer is runing its self.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Feels right 😅

[@nestorkropotkin8952]

"Find someone to teach you this version of our game" will kill GW games before anything else can. I also have been collecting and printing STL files for long eno9ugh now that GW's choice to disallow printed minis is fine with me. It means I will not have to buy anything from them to enjoy a hobby I have done for decades.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

😂😂😂

[@matthewmoyer2930]

It might if anyone played Opr, no one around me even looks at it

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I’m just slowly introducing my friends 😎

[@Arzak776]

warhammer is making itself no fun, OPR just gave us a refreshing and approachable alternative.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@chesteratienza5175]

Can you play like grimdark future in a smaller board because it is 6x4 feet , what size can you recommend me?

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

You can! The free rules as long as you set 24 inches apart you’re golden! So a 4x4 board would be great for a 1000 pt or even 1500 pt game!

[@luketfer]

Here's my main problem with people who push OPR is that when you ask them can you find a game of it down your FLGS? The answer is, invariably, no. People are still playing Warhammer 40k etc. It's one of those things that nice, in concept and if people actually did take it up en masse and it was a true threat to GW, it'd be great...but that's never going to happen. The fact that all the models have to be 3D printed, you can't just go to a LGS and pick up a box of them or order a box of them online (like you can Wargames Atlantic plastics) or they're JUST as expensive as GW if you order the pre-printed minis. The fact that whilst it's a great rules system, it has no lore involved, nothing for people to sink their teeth into, nothing for someone to build around. Now for some people that's amazingly freeing to be allowed to do whatever they want but for other people they might want at least some basis in lore for their color schemes etc. The main problem is that OPR doesn't have its own identity, it's basically "yeah we filed off the Copywrited material and it's pretty much 40k", it's a ruleset and very little else.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I agree there isn’t a ton of OPR lore yet. But they’re a newer company coming into their own. Hoping they build!

[@mattbrown5234]

I’m a little confused by these critiques. Sure, finding a game of OPR is going to be harder than 40k. But with that said, I’ve played several games of Grimdark Future Firefight at my LGS with another guy that I didn’t know, and at least one guy who asked about it seemed pretty interested. So I think there’s more market for it than you think. I’m really confused about “the minis have to be 3d printed.” That’s just not true…you can 3d print them, you can order pre-printed, you can download the free paper minis and use those, or you can buy minis from literally any other company and use those. The lore is kind of a bonus for me…I like 40k lore and models, just not the rules. But I get some people would prefer something different lore wise. They’re working on it-they released a whole lore book. There’s probably as much or more lore as 40k had when it launched. But it definitely can’t compete with a 40 year old IP.

[@TekkorGJC]

My group of 40k player/friends is 5 people. We all have at least 1 army of GW 40k. I have Dark Angels about 3k. Son has Orks 4k, others have AdMech, Custodes, and Necron. We all literally in the last month are making move to OPR. The reason being we are tired of the Book game. GW continuously keeps changing the meta and releasing books nonstop. The minis are fine. Its the rules and the book greed we have finally had enough of. My son and I bought a new resin 3d Printer. We can play OPR with our current armies...we are about to start a campaign. Then later we can mess in printing other armies that fit in the lore OPR is releasing. We already printed a few models and they are VERY nice looking and one I painted up looks great. People in this hobby want to have fun. Yeah OPR is never going to pull more than say 10-20% of the 40k crowd. The tournament players are too far down the rabbit hole. But you may be surprised how many people like the 5 of us have hit a breaking point.

[@garfieldwithissuez]

So I don't have time to finish the video, but based on the question asked in the thumbnail I would say no Games Workshop is doing a pretty good job of ruining Warhammer themselves. One page rules has brought gaming to a place where I actually have time to do it again and they don't have a bunch of bullshit gotcha feel bad mechanics that have been brought over by people who are trying to turn miniature war games into board games

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

It feels good to game again!

[@garfieldwithissuez]

@@AcceptablyEPIC it does indeed

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥳🥳🥳

[@aj.hardwick]

This video did not answer the question asked. All it did was suck off OPR for 15 minutes. It didn't even touch on any effects that the 2 games have on each other other than OPR STLs being cheaper than warhammer minis. There is something to be said about the simplicity of OPR and other rule sets forcing games workshop to make 10th edition 40k and 4th edition AoS much simpler game formats, which most people agree is an improvement even if the disagree with the minutia of the editions, but you don't touch on that or any point of actual comparison on the games themselves, you just point out how much better OPR is. I do not have to buy a single thing from games workshop to play Warhammer 40k. I can play in my local games store or with my friends using the exact models you are showing off here, and no one worth being friends with would bat an eye. I can't play competitive warhammer, but to my knowledge there is not a competitive OPR scene to speak of to compare it to anyway. The comparison between the games should be about the game system and it's complexity or balance or rules menutia. The rules of the games. Because I am perfectly capable of going and downloading the core rules for 40k for free right now, and printing off a bunch of paper tokens or 3d print minis and playing the game. This discussion should be about how the games play. There is a lot to talk about there, and whether OPR is a better system, or if it's too simplistic by comparison. Either opinion is valid, and both have merit. But asking if OPR is killing Warhammer and then ranting about games workshops business practices being scummy is not the video you were preporting to make. Whole video with clickbait title just to plug the new patrion. KZbin at its finest.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I’ve done several videos about how OPR plays! I hope you might watch those too! Have a great day! 😎

[@vlad78th]

Alternate activation at a patrol level of gameplay is a far superior ruleset to anything yougoIgo related. OPR is plain better. I started playing 40k with alternate activation under 7th and it was far superior. Yet GW's refusal to embrace alternate activation ruined the game to me.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@qelgrun]

I'm not sure Warhammer needs the help, they seem to be doing a fine job on their own! 😂

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh they are. For sure. 😂

[@Soccer67]

As is OPR. As someone who is not interested in or appreciates the frequent rules changes and codex redos, I prefer a game that largely gets it right out of the gate. I also don't care to support the expensive requirements of 40K.

[@Brickerbrack]

​@@Soccer67Of course, OPR _do_ regularly modify and update their rules... but when they do, you just download the latest version and carry on...

[@ravenRedwake]

8:58 okay, so in regards to that, people are more excited about new skaven models than new Groundmarine models, which most are just remakes of the older models but they went on a better diet and training refining and got more pieces of flair that will be a bitch to paint. Skaven are also one of the few original ideas GeeDub has had and they are a beloved faction-so in all fairness to them, that was pretty decent of them to do.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I do love a good rat man 😎

[@YeAuldGrump]

Not as original as you think - they were taken from the Fafhrd and Grey Mouser series by Fritz Lieber - where rat men live in the underbelly of Lankhmar.

[@joshlarue6304]

The dumbing down of everything sucks! I never thought I’d say they Horus Heresy is the superior game with 7th edition rules

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh wow

[@Buggritt]

Tell me you've never played without telling me you've never played :P The potential decision tree explodes with alternate activations and the rules are more straightforward, not simpler. So you get into the swing of things quicker and into the tactical play much faster and easier. That said, I have heard really good things about HH so if you're enjoying it then absolutely play it. If you don't want to branch out to other systems, that's all good too :)

[@julienamand4472]

well then I suppose chess is the worst ! And there are more complicated games that WH40k (typically historical "simulation" games); does that make them better ?

[@willybamd]

You can find a 3d printer for about the same price as a combat patrol box.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Feels right 😅

[@matthewnewhook7398]

Thank you for making this video, OPR is fantastic and I love seeing people spread the word. OPR isn't going to be the reason GW gets ruined, they'll do that themselves if they don't change the way they do things eventually. The day technology allows for bullet proof easy to use 3D printers that you can buy at say Walmart, is the day GW will either change or die.. imo

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

GW may be its own undoing 🙃

[@owenthomas5103]

At the moment it looks very much like film company's did trying to pretend that digital photography isn't happening

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Wait what? 😅

[@phillipbritton3836]

I just got my first experience with one page rules last week. We used the quick one-page rules plus the special actions you can do. It was fun but it didn't feel as strategic or as epic moving my characters. Definitely something I'd play again cuz it was quick and it scratched that itch but I feel the character of Warhammer makes me want to go back to 10th edition

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

To each their own! I'm glad you had fun playing OPR and hopefully it can help you get in a few quick games every now and then!

[@Malisteen]

as a ruleset I might look at opr as an alternative to 40k, since 10e really isn't doing it for me. On the fantasy end though I'm very happy with both old world and aos right now, so I can't imagine an opr alternative pulling me away. As for being a source of cheap substitute minis... the opr stuff seems dependant on resin printing, which isn't an option for people like me in small apartments, or for anyone with pets, or kids. you could buy the models printed by someone else, but then the price advantage over gw is greatly reduced, which makes the difference in scupt & material quality start to hurt. It might be different if they focused on fdm friendly support-free models, but then they'd be even further from competing with gw on sculpt quality. I like having more competition in the market, but I'm more interested in games trying to do their own thing like frostgrave or malifaux rather than stuff like opr that seems like they're just trying to be substitute warhammer. Sort of like how rifts or gurps or wod or lot5r are imo more compelling alternatives to d&d than pathfinder. I sorely miss privateer press. Real shame what happened there.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agree. Good points all! 😎

[@oddanbail3606]

I did try opr, it's goes faster then 40k, but mainly because your casualty rate is from 5 to 10 times higher. Game goes fast its good, but i feel that any unit you play is faceless plastic soldiers, at that point i lose all interest. What's the point to play if you know thet one identical army win other identical army but with different sculpts.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I found it to be more in depth but to each their own! Have fun out there!

[@oddanbail3606]

@@AcceptablyEPIC thanks! Any way you create a great videos with high quality of content, thank you

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Thank you!

[@blw4089]

The army builder makes each army distinctive.

[@HeavyMetalHindu]

Saying that a better and more accessible product is "ruining" the inferior product after the latter rested on its laurels for decades is a hell of a take.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

This is KZbin after all 😂

[@SarajevoKyoto]

More accessible? Definitely. Better? Heck no.

[@stevesnell5347]

I got my whole extended group out of 40k last year and into Grimdark Future. I just said that I would no longer play 40k, but that if they wanted to try GF they could use their existing models. It worked. None of my friends play 40k anymore. The game is quicker to play and more friendly to new players, so we our group is 8 now (new people joining), instead of the original 6.

[@Strange8ractor]

You list all these things that you don't need in order to play OPR. One thing you DO need is other people who play OPR. I live in a metro area with almost 2 million people, I frequent most of the shops that have gaming space. Not only is no one playing OPR, it's not even on anyone's radar.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

A big deal! I’m introducing my friends as we go 😎

[@Strange8ractor]

@@AcceptablyEPIC See, that's great! You're passionate about it, so you can be a good advocate for the game in your community. Being passionate and knowing the rules are the two most important things to bringing other people into the game. I've got those qualities with some games, but I just don't care enough about the 40k, AoS, and the OPR versions of them to try to get other people into it. I wish you good luck in building a strong community; as long as people are playing games they love, it's all good!

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed! 🥳

[@themadelf]

The OPR Discord has a "find a game" section, broken down by country, region, state, and some cities. There may be people playing near you.

[@Nicolas-yd2mw]

same can be said for Mantic wich have easier rules, sales, and just more respect for its customers. It's time to drop the gargantuan monster////

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@chrisriti626]

Is OPR ruining Warhammer? No. The objectively better game (OPR) is not ruining Warhammer.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

😎😎😎

[@Magicwillnz]

The last time I played Warhammer was 2006 or so... imo Warhammer was never a very fun game, it benefited from being the only choice you had and having a very cool aesthetic and fluff. I haven't had the chance to play OPR, I am sure it is a much better game, but I do miss the fluff and lore tidbits and special characters, the off-beat powers and abilities, the mild RPG elements that Warhammer has had. Having a story and theme of the army reflected in the rules is pretty important to me. OPR hewing so close to Warhammer's tropes really clips its wings. It needs an identity of its own.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I hope it finds it!

[@litigation_jackson]

Funny enough I've been playing 4th edition 40k with my friends again recently, and been having a lot of fun

[@Magicwillnz]

@@litigation_jackson I do remember having some fun with 4th edition. I get very annoyed watching batreps now and tanks get taken off the table instead of becoming cool smoldering wrecks.

[@Kryzcek78]

I don't think GW cares what rules you use as long as you buy their models. What I think they'll struggle with or see as a missed opportunity are those they lose to 3d printing and other model ranges and OPR makes that easier or provides more choices for consumers. They hate that.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥳🥳🥳

[@tomusannonymous]

anyone read the grimdark future world book? what did you think?

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I’d love to grab it!

[@dnaseb9214]

Should be 2 pages, 1 page recto verso

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

😅😅😅

[@alexknudsen2759]

I wish it was, but OPR has next to no presence in the midwestern USA

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥲🥲🥲

[@buttemountain]

Bullying my 40K friends has worked great for me. And so far, everyone I’ve cajoled into playing OPR has enjoyed the game.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

😂 hooray!

[@DonPerrin]

I'm an OPR Fantasy Regiments fanatic! It's where I play my Skaven (or as they call them, Ratmen). I really enjoy it. My opponent plays Dark Elves. His is fully 3d printed from OPR. Mine's fully GW models. I 3d printed some movement trays. Easy peasy!

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Love that!

[@bobbumbarger1897]

I started playing OPR grimdark firefight with my 5 yr old son because KT was just a tad too hard for him. AND HE LOVES IT. I printed him up a Robot Legion army for barely nothing and he painted it all up and he totally grasped all the rules. (obviously I have to remind him of the special abilities) but the overall concept he got done super fast. That is a great deal in my book!

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I love that! 🥳🥳🥳

[@robertjokebr1480]

unfortunaly people who liked the old warhammer 40.000 style, from before 7th edition became orpham. because warhammer no longer attend those people and one page rules don't attend those people either, we either get stuck in 7th edition with no newer units from almost 10 years ago or we don't play apocalypse styled games.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥲🥲🥲

[@malefic5254]

OPR's army size is comparable to older editions of warhammer. An 850 point army of tau today was 2000 points back in the day

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Must buy more models! 😉

[@DarrylAdams]

I have looked at OPR and the upcoming OPR Grimdark Future Commander (epic scale) has me excited. However it being locked into the Grimdark genre makes more utopian genres like Star Trek or Traveller harder to port across. Not impossible just things like transports staying with its infantry makes using Drop zone Commander harder to port across and stay within the points system.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh neat take! Let me know how that goes!

[@Warjaming]

I think there is actually room for W40K and OPR, it sort of depends on the gamer in question. I feel like with OPR I can play games that are short and fun, but also with the Advanced Rules I can get as complex and detailed as I could please. That said, W40K is still further layers of complexity and some people just want that, and assuming they are also filthy rich -- but don't want to be, GW offers them an experience. This summer sale was brutal for my balance, I've got something like 6 more armies I'm now waiting to print and paint, lol. Meanwhile I'm still working on my 6k+ HDF army, whoops. 70% off is too good to pass up, but I'm sure I ended up spending way more than I had wanted. What I think is the biggest difference between GW and OPR is just how their customers react to their new content. With GW, its always negative. New books you must buy, new models you need, the models are often lazy, people use words like "scandal" and "controversy". There are entire W40K channels devoted to nothing but complaining. OPR is 100% the opposite, you watch a OPR livestream and it's all hype and excitement. The new stuff is awesome, if there are new books well we get them free so it's all good. If we are Tier 2 members their patreon we even get the new models and armies free. The only thing you can really give GW is their Lore is top notch stuff, but even that often ends up irritating their customers.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

OPR does treat its customers well!

[@jonathancooper4914]

I’d rather blame GW for allowing the faceless money people to take over, lock, stock and barrel.

[@JorisVDC]

I like the alternative to play games with easy to learn rules, all I am missing is the community to play with. So for now I stick to playing Blood Bowl on table top.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Community makes a big difference

[@davidmesh5491]

I agree that bloat is a big concern but I think that there can be a balance between complexity and simplicity GW does do this in one game Legions Imperialis.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh yeah? I’ll need to check it out!

[@bladerdj3503]

GW will never lose their die hard fans and will still hold its crown a while. If OPR would ruin Warhammer... every single other system ruins Warhammer as well. It are similar games but different worlds. Quite literally, Warhammer has a huge history of lore so one could aay that the game itself isnt the entirety of Warhammer. OPR is just a game that was born because there were fans who wanted a simpler and less expensive alternative. Its really about what system you like better and what you want to invest. Since OPR has many rules that can be filled with GW miniatures I'd argue it even helps them even if their minis arent end up on the table of a Warhammer game.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

That does make sense! And I know that OPR is still in its infant stage when it comes to developing lore

[@rastamann2009]

There’s no way that happens. For one, one page rules feel extremely bland. They’re nice, but don’t really manage to give you the feel for any lore. I do dislike 40k’s rules intensely, which are clunky and really hard to provide suspension of disbelief, so I’m always on the hunt for nice systems. This wasn’t it for me, but you do you, of course

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Not yet! Hoping more comes along!

[@RussellWilliams736]

That's because opr is a ruleset.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥳 a great one!

[@Gumlass1]

@@rastamann2009 ignore the OPR lore. Imagine you're playing 40k 20th edition, when the rules are finally fun.

[@owenthomas5103]

I love OPR and to anyone saying its to simply- the complex strategies and tricks to learn are definitely their, they are just emergent from that bouble page of rules rarther than having 500 bits of card spelling them out. The learning cerve is real and skill reward is *extream*. I got to be in a tournament and had a couple of practice games which allowed me to whipe out my first opponent with 0 losses as i better undertood what to activte when, then i got wiped out totaly in my second game because that opponent understood positioning better than me. Both games were utterly brutal but fair.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥳😆😎

[@socalastarte6727]

I’ve been building, painting, collecting and playing 40K since 2001 and I’m pretty active at multiple FLGS. I’ve yet to meet anyone in person that plays OPRs. I’ve heard a lot about it on the internet, and seen a lot of content creators hype it up on their channels, but I’m just not sure where there their player base is coming from. I know multiple people that play out of production games like Mordheim, Space Hulk and Battlefleet Gothic, but OPRs doesn’t seem to have caught on in my area. I’ve even looked for it and the two non-GW stores I frequent, don’t even sell it. It would seem the overwhelming majority of gamers prefer the genuine article.

[@icepop77]

I've wanted to get into 40k for a long time. It looks cool, the lore is interesting, and it seems like a cool hobby.... but the entry cost and weird culture against 3d printing kinda turned me off. About 15 years ago, I bought about 500 points of Space Marines on ebay to try it all out. I went to a GW store to play and was given some fairly rude treatment because I didn't paint them with GW paint. Only now, with OPR, have I gotten back into this hobby. I can print and paint however I want and play the game with whoever else wants to play. We have a small, grass roots OPR group at work that's getting off the ground and I love it. Some of the are 40k veterans and do the constant "oh this is different in 40k" thing, but it's fine. We're enjoying the game without being bound to what a game store wants us to do.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Love that! Welcome!

[@masonfoster151]

kind of a weird question, thats like asking "is competition ruining big corporation?" the answer is obviously no

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Agreed!

[@johnsnow5968]

Tbh, OPR just fails on the face of it to deliver on why i am currently dissatisfied with Warhammer. It is exactly the simplicity - I like wargames where there are possibilities for wild and crazy events to occur and where it takes a full afternoon to play a game. I spend hundreds of hours painting, hell i spend 30 minutes setting up the gaming table, "wow, you can play a full game in 1 hour" is the polar opposite of what i want. And it really feels like every mini agnostic game goes that route. "Every unit just throws 10 D6!" "Every unit has the same stats!" "Dont even worry about it - we taught a sea cucumber to play our game, its so easy!" Give me the mini agnostic game with templates, and damage tables, and morale rules, and in depth unit customization at company scale or higher. It feels like thats every historical system and no sci fi system ever.

[@AlterumVeniet]

I want OPR to put out bigger battles/longer games. I have guard and nids. It is very easy to hit that 50 model cap and still have a lot left shelved.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

What cap are you referring to? You can just play more points right?

[@AlterumVeniet]

main page says 2k pts uses 30-50models. I wasn't sure how well it scales beyond that. If you're saying it scales well, I'll give it a go, but might start off with using it for a kill team game so i can figure out wtf am doing. Ty friend.

[@TheKenji2221]

I like Bolt Action (ok it's ww2 but hear me out) They rules are clear to understand, they give you the scales so if you want vehicles you can either buy a model kit outside of their range or 3d print it. They sell unit sprues in single for cheap if you only need a handful of dudes. And recently they have announced the 3rd edition, and if you’ve bought the 2nd recently, you get the 3rd for free !

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥳🥳🥳

[@stephenphilp8222]

It's about time GW had an alternative, in the same way all other wargames do. It's healthy for the hobby. GW is different because it has to keep it's shareholders happy rather than the customer and views its community as pound/dollar signs. The flagship GW rules lack depth imho but appear complicated due to overcooked rules and a lack of consistency. GWs depth is only in their lore. Unfortunately you need to swallow the whole rules package when you get into AoS/40K and keep up to date with the constant changes by referencing multiple sources and constantly buying new books/cards/tools. Tackling a collection of constantly changing bits rather than following a consistent whole is too much like work - I work for a living and I don't have the time or inclination to turn my hobby into work as well. OPR is streamlined rather than simple, and allows players to add as much complexity as they like rather than forcing you to take all of it from the start. Everything is available online from OPR (not from a 3rd party), and has one of the best army builders I've seen - and it's free. The army builder also allows partner companies to create lists for their models and the community to do likewise. What's not to like? As far as GW is concerned, OPR also covers the armies used by 40K/AoS (as well as a pile of other stuff) and provides a reason to buy models from GW again. I would never have looked at GW again but have bought some stuff lately for OPR that I would never have bought otherwise. That has to be considered a win for GW.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Competition is good for us consumers!

[@davidk6269]

Has anyone played Trench Crusade? If so, how does it compare to WH40k?

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

I haven’t!

[@cpt.moloscorneroftheloststuff]

Thinking that OPR would exist without REAL Warhammer is different level of delulu 😂

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Oh for sure. OPR is here because warhammer is. But OPR is great for a reason too

[@TheToxicP]

GW just needs to do a Battle Tech and come out with 2 versions of the game. Version A: The shut the hell up and play version for the competitive crowd. All the stats are the same for certain classes of Infantry, Flyer, Tank etc. based upon classification (Heavy, Medium & Light version) regardless of faction - sub factions. Simplified - streamlined game, with all factions having the same choices for stratagems & faction / sub-faction traits. Version B: GW creates a rich & complex gaming system that'll be imperfect, requires some balancing & fans are fine with it because when you play whatever faction / sub-faction the rules captures the magic of the lore (at least to some degree). If I wanted to play One Page Rules, I wouldn't be playing Warhammer. I'd be playing One Page Rules with over priced GW miniatures.

[@jacktbc3947]

My gaming group are big fans of the Fallout tabletop and we’re all really excited about Halo Flashpoint too. I don’t think OPR is funner than 40K but it is more engaging.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥳🥳🥳

[@prestonjohnson1537]

I wouldn't say i like 40k, but i liked 9th edition 40k. I liked the complex and in deapth rules that matched the lore of the factions. I liked the larger games that it has over opr. I liked playing crusade mostly. Now there isnt really anything left of what i like. My deathwatch army is a bunch of plastic paperweights. And nobody plays older editions. I can only hope that the next one doesn't suck.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

OPR supports large armies! And you can find lists for your deathwatch too. Could be a good time!

[@bobedwards7592]

I won't play GW Warhammer 40K rules anymore, I really can't be bothered trying to keep up with edition and updates. I will use the GW models in OPR because I really like the models in my Death Guard and want to use them. I won't be buying a 3D printer and using the OPR STL files to make new figures. What OPR has done for me is gotten me enthusiastic to play again and, after ignoring GW for a few years, look at purchasing more GW figures

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

It’s a lot!

[@Gumlass1]

I've been enjoying The Old World and Kill Team, but for everything else OPR is just a lot more fun. I can play OPR with my kids, and they love it. Most GW games are too complex for them to play for a long period of time.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Hear hear!

[@ravenRedwake]

So, first of all you have to come to grips with the truth of things. GeeDub fucking *hates* its customers. They literally want you to “buy product and get excited for next product” and after you have bought the product, they don’t give a *fuck* about you. They have a corporate policy to not play games in their stores. The games are just some extra revenue attached to their models which is why their rules will never officially be free. They hate their customers because we complain about their high prices, and don’t just roll over and give all our money to them sight unseen.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

🥲🥲🥲

[@blw4089]

Yes, thank you for being so blunt.

[@anotherperson2627]

I will say that the Shadow Stalkers started out as the Nightstalkers from Kings Of War, but recently got overhauled

[@MrBobwins]

OPR seems to operate on the opposite of “fight club” rules. Where rules 1 and 2 are “talk about OPR at all opportunities”.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Guilty

[@YeAuldGrump]

That would be the FATE rules for Harry Dresden. The contract for playtesters had the exact opposite of an NDA. Try it, share it, talk about it....

[@kuro5hin08]

Honestly, having played a lot of OPR vs 40k, I wouldn't even say that OPR has "simpler" rules. They're just more *streamlined*. There's a better flow and rhythmn to the game vs 40k. Also, if you ever made a list in Battlescribe for 40k, you'd get roughly an identical print off page as OPRs for your list. And I've seen legit 40k shrunk down to about two pages worth of *actual* rules for 40k. Otherwise, like 99% of an GW book is fluff and filler and pictures.

[@MadMax-el2el]

The only reason we picked up orp, is because of GW. I am a competitive gamer, 40k was my beer and pretzel game. Making 40k pseudo competitive, just, no thanks. I played orks and daemons.., had since 96, quit in 2018. I still have most of my looted stuff, I have reprinted a demon army. The only thing that will kill gw is gw. Why OPR after dumping 40k, because my gaming club members wanted to get their kids into the hobby. This started before the lockdowns, and the lockdowns changed people's priorities. 3d printing became wide spread in the group. Cost wise, fielding whole armies for a dozen kids and spouses, it just made sense. That and people had the time

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Kids can definitely get into OPR!

[@corvus_armatura7595]

Honestly, yes in a sense. Firefight compared to 40k's Killteam in sense has their rules free along with being a game with just a meager amount of models on the board or table. That makes it more approachable along with just using unofficial miniatures and even rules for "AI" opponents.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

It does feel approachable!

[@corvus_armatura7595]

@@AcceptablyEPIC They're also both on the alternating activation spectrum too. Forgot to mention that.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Cool! 😎

[@MedicMarc22]

It’s like saying Bolt action is ruining Warhammer…. It’s a set of rules. And I honestly believe in the coming years, that GW is going to have to decide if they’re a model company or a rules company. They can’t keep doing both.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

It's a choice to make!

[@YeAuldGrump]

I am old enough to remember when GW was a game distributor - bringing other companies' games to the UK. More often than not, the GW editon was superior to the Chaosium and Avalon Hill releases - nice hardback books. In my ideal universe, GW would go back to something akin to that model.

[@palwinderdhillon8242]

“Are lightbulbs ruining candles??” 😂😂😂😂

[@zobenik5]

Just add something more specific. I understand you are frustrated, but what part of the rules makes opr good in your oppinion. What about any anecdote of playing opr. Which stl are your favorite and why? This is just such a broad statement its very boring.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Fair take! I I'm loving the High Elf Fleet sculpts and the crazy AMOUNT of minis I get each month on OPR's patreon, something GW just can't touch. I also really love how every move of OPR matters. It's not me taking my entire turn and then waiting for my opponent. Each time I move a unit I know my opponent can do something to counter it. There's a lot to love!

[@zobenik5]

@AcceptablyEPIC if your looking for a skirmish alrernative. Space weirdos and sword weirdos seem to be fun model agnostic games.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Haven’t heard of it! Lets try!

[@Hellvine]

I played Mage Knight the tabletop miniatures game (not the board game) as a kid and the rules were very easy to comprehend. I’ve been looking for a game like it ever since. OPR seems to come close just looking at the rule set. I think if I add the MK elements I want (like formation rules, command rules and pushing) it’ll be the perfect game system

[@Hellvine]

Mage Knight is still the GOAT

[@SteveRowe]

Healthy competition is good. After decades of GW taking advantage of fans, I'm happy there are other choices.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Woohoo! 🥳 same.

[@Hammerinhuff]

we play both what's the big deal? one is a short game with less detail short story line. the other is a longer game with deep sweet detailed story line. simple!

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Have fun and play! That’s what I want!

[@minisarefuntopaint]

I don't play warhammer. Too expensive. I do play One Page Rules. I'm not using their minis so far, though, I don't have a 3D printer and the physical versions are actually more expensive than the basic troops from mantic or north star. They are lovely minis though, so I may buy a few for special models at which they are price competitive or better. Or if fdm printing gets just a little better and I can print my own in my small apartment without dealing with resin dangers. I play OPR fantasy skirmish so far, but I'm building a sea elf army for OPR fantasy regiments. The models also overlap with my Forces of Nature Ambush force, so I figure I should get plenty of use out of them.

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Sounds awesome!

[@john_mystery]

This was shown to me in the dying days of September, how unfortunate that I could not get in on the deals

[@john_mystery]

I’m interested in the Saurian Star Host

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

They’re a ton of fun! If you patreon for a month they’re half off!

[@rickcharlespersonal]

Over the years I have developed a strong interest in high fantasy, especially fueled by the Total War: Warhammer video games. I have now reached a point where I finally want to start investing in the hobby physically, but as someone on the ADHD spectrum I found Warhammer's complex rules to be too daunting for me to justify spending money on. After I heard about One Page Rules, though... Games Workshop is about to get a new customer for their minis that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. I'll let that speak for itself. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AcceptablyEPIC]

Interesting!

[@GreenEagleVR]

If the game is so dry and complicated to the point where people would even imagine making one page rules, who’s fault is that??? Every new edition doesn’t need 98 new rules for every chapter and weapon..